Go .. you have to answer before November 15th at 8pm EST :)

I think Tyson will win, or Jake, one of the two.

I can't decide but it'll be on Netflix and my kids are making me watch it.

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I think Tyson will win, or Jake, one of the two.

I can't decide but it'll be on Netflix and my kids are making me watch it.

im thinking it'll be a draw or a split decision. or Tyson does his own
thing and knocks him lit in the 1st round.

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I didn't watch, but I'd be amazed if Tyson didn't win.

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I think Tyson will win, or Jake, one of the two.

I can't decide but it'll be on Netflix and my kids are making me watch

I wasn't planning on watching, but sort of felt like a moment when
everyone I knew was texting/skeeting about it.

Then seeing Tyson geting repeatedly punched in the face by a guy half his
age, with Paul spritzing himself with with his own brand of body spray
like a fish out of water trying to stay moist.

Ugh. Nothing against WWE, but when did boxing become WWE?

Netflix engineers clearly not ready for the load on their system, felt
like i was watching on AOL.

I can't get that hour of my life back can I

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Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: j0hnny a1pha to The Godfather on Sat Nov 16 2024 10:29 am

Netflix engineers clearly not ready for the load on their system, felt like i was watching on AOL.

I didn't watch the fight, but that bugs me about streaming services. If it was televized on broadcast/cable TV, there wouldn't be any streaming issues. I know a few people who were also watching the fight last night and they were having buffering issues too.

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Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: Nightfox to j0hnny a1pha on Sat Nov 16 2024 11:04:58

Hi, Nightfox.

I didn't watch the fight, but that bugs me about streaming services. If it was televized on broadcast/cable TV, there wouldn't be any streaming issues. I know a few people who were also watching the fight last night and they were having buffering issues too.

I was talking to one of my customers in the week (my customers are UK altnets, usually 1 - 100k subscribers with most at the lower end of that) and he was saying there had been (I think it was) a Call of Duty patch pushed last week which saw them soak up over a Tbps of traffic for several hours. I will have to ask him what the fight did to their peering...

As much as people will automatically blame Netflix for the buffering, it's really hard for an ISP to model a network for these kinds of peaks, which are often more than one order of magnitude above "normal" peak traffic levels. Everyone would love to lay on 100x as much transit and peering as they normally need but then nobody would buy their product because it just wouldn't cost in. Not to mention that throwing gigabit fibre services into residential customers means the edge has orders of magnitude more capacity than the core, so customers can effectively DDoS their provider in surge conditions.

Maybe Netflix also didn't anticipate the demand, I dunno.

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I didn't watch, but I'd be amazed if Tyson didn't win.

Replying to myself... After hearing about the cluster-f the whole thing turned out to be, I guess I'm less 'amazed' he didn't win but I'll admit my guess on who won was wrong.

A few years ago, I remember idubbz (or however you spell his handle) did a YouTube boxing special called 'Creator Clash' or something that was a huge hit and streamed on YouTube.. not sure why Netflix dropped the ball so bad on this special.

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Hi Bob,
In a message to Nightfox you wrote:

As much as people will automatically blame Netflix for the buffering,
it's really hard for an ISP to model a network for these kinds of
peaks, which are often more than one order of magnitude above
"normal" peak traffic levels.

So true. What's funny though? We watched it on a pirated ppv feed on
iptv, quality was perfect and it only buffered twice for 3 seconds. Watched the entire almost 4 hours.

I'm with bhell Canada as a ISP on their fibe service so I guess they really
are the country's best.

Shawn


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Then seeing Tyson geting repeatedly punched in the face by a guy half his age, with Paul spritzing himself with with his own brand of body spray like a fish out of water trying to stay moist.

That was so sad, watching how slow he walked. My kids were getting mad they sat through 4 hours of boxing to watch that. I tried my best to spin it by saying that it's a good reminder to be the best version of yourself because once you hit 50 it sucks ;)

Ugh. Nothing against WWE, but when did boxing become WWE?

That first match was incredibly lame. I've never seen two more out of shape boxers in my life somehow make it through however may (not worth watching) rounds they did.

Netflix engineers clearly not ready for the load on their system, felt like i was watching on AOL.

Yes, spending more time watching a spinning red buffer on the TV was enough to throw the "Smart" TV's through the window of (fill in retailer here) like an old Discount Tire Add.

I can't get that hour of my life back can I

You should have watched all 4 fights, you'd own a WWE belt :) haha

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I didn't watch the fight, but that bugs me about streaming services. If it was televized on broadcast/cable TV, there wouldn't be any streaming issues. I know a few people who were also watching the fight last night and they were having buffering issues too.

I recall yelling the same thing at the TV after about the 15th time the buffering kicked in. It's a top reason to bring BD's back to the retail stores. The audio sucked too, frequently going out during key moments of the fight; just about as bad as Prime introducing pay per view before they even had 5.1 dolby digital.

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Replying to myself... After hearing about the cluster-f the whole thing turned out to be, I guess I'm less 'amazed' he didn't win but I'll admit my guess on who won was wrong.

I was really hoping he would have. I like stories of redemption.

A few years ago, I remember idubbz (or however you spell his handle) did
a YouTube boxing special called 'Creator Clash' or something that was a huge hit and streamed on YouTube.. not sure why Netflix dropped the ball so bad on this special.

I never looked it up, but would assume they had not anticipated so many viewers at one time. I can't imagine how many millions were trying to tune in. During the match, they were advertising that Netflix would be streaming the NFL next year; let's hope they learn from this and get.it.right. I would imagine even more unhappy fans if they don't.

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Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: Tiny to Bob Worm on Sun Nov 17 2024 06:03:25

Hi, Tiny.

So true. What's funny though? We watched it on a pirated ppv feed on iptv, quality was perfect and it only buffered twice for 3 seconds. Watched the entire almost 4 hours.

To be honest that doesn't really exonerate your ISP - any ISP of a reasonable size will be peering with Netflix, if there's suddenly a huge increase in Netflix traffic then that's the first place that'll congest. Your pirated feed would presumably be coming in from some Internet backwater, probably out of country, so could easily arrive on tier 1 transit (or at least different peering) and not go near the congested link.

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: The Godfather to Nightfox on Sun Nov 17 2024 10:39 am

I recall yelling the same thing at the TV after about the 15th time the buffering kicked in. It's a top reason to bring BD's back to the retail stores. The audio sucked too, frequently going out during key moments of

BD, as in blu-ray discs? I still like to buy them, and these days I often buy them from Amazon or other online retailers.

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Replying to myself... After hearing about the cluster-f the whole thing turned out to be, I guess I'm less 'amazed' he didn't win but I'll admit my guess on who won was wrong.

I would _like_ it if the occasional 58 year old can beat a mediocre (but still competent) 27-year-old, but not this time, I suppose.

I think, for anyone who remembers some portion of when Tyson was at the peak of his powers (or picked up the NES game), he seemed amazing enough that, under the right conditions, he had a shot.

So, disappointing that it didn't happen, or wind up being an amazing fight, but I can definitely see why the idea was compelling.

Not that I watched the fight -- I stayed up pretty late, here, and it was still at the, "the stream will begin in x minutes" stage.

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buffering kicked in. It's a top reason to bring BD's back to the retail stores. The audio sucked too, frequently going out during key moments

I've been using DVDs to make my Jellyfin collection, and it's a nice experience.

No worries that stuff will disappear (well, other than if something happens with my hardware), no need to pay monthly fees, and I know the answer of, "Is it available on..." is answered with, "well, as long as I can get a DVD of it..."

BluRay would probably require me to get a much more impressive media server. But I watch things on either a small-ish computer monitor, or a pocket projector with terrible resolution, so it'd mostly be wasted space.

Mind you, I don't want to have all these physical things (and generally don't keep them for long), but media is _so_ much nicer when it comes with a side of being able to control it myself.

I just hope that the new movies and shows will still get at least small print runs.

Since I much prefer the digital things, if only they didn't come with a side of control shifting to people trying to extract more money from me.

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: Adept to The Godfather on Sun Nov 17 2024 10:23 pm

Mind you, I don't want to have all these physical things (and generally don't keep them for long), but media is _so_ much nicer when it comes with a side of being able to control it myself.

That's one main reason I still like to buy movies & TV shows I like on physical media. Also, the quality is generally better than what you get with streaming, and they tend to come with extras such as behind-the-scenes and other documentaries & featurettes & stuff.

I'd be okay if they sold them as DRM-free downloadable media (and I could back them up on an external hard drive), but unfortunately they don't. Thus, I'm one of the people who likes to buy the discs and rip them (and since they make 4K discs somewhat tricky to rip, I've done some research and bought an optical drive for my PC capable of ripping 4K discs).

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On 16 Nov 2024, Nightfox said the following...

Netflix engineers clearly not ready for the load on their system, fel like i was watching on AOL.

I didn't watch the fight, but that bugs me about streaming services. If it was televized on broadcast/cable TV, there wouldn't be any streaming issues. I know a few people who were also watching the fight last night and they were having buffering issues too.
Nightfox

Yup it was bad. They say 250 Million tuned to a nice buffer wheel. It's not like Netflix doesn't have the network for it. My guess is they didn't properly leverage their network. Should have been piped all the way down to the local servers and then out from there. From what I have seen no comment about the issues at all. Sweeping under the rug.

no one will forget your fail netflix. Our kids will know about it forever due to the Youtube guy.

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I'd be okay if they sold them as DRM-free downloadable media (and I
could back them up on an external hard drive), but unfortunately they don't. Thus, I'm one of the people who likes to buy the discs and rip them (and since they make 4K discs somewhat tricky to rip, I've done
some research and bought an optical drive for my PC capable of ripping
4K discs).

Yeah, same. I would likely spend more on media if I got something where "owning" meant something that it did not matter if the company changed their mind, went out of business, I lost my password, I am off the internet, and so on.

Honestly, probably why I've bought a lot of Humble Bundles despite having a very low use rate, and why I'm sad that many of the book bundles are now done through Kobo.

If companies want to treat me like a pirate, I want to pay for things like a pirate.

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BD, as in blu-ray discs? I still like to buy them, and these days I
often buy them from Amazon or other online retailers.

Yeah blu-ray. I used to impulse buy them more during visits to Best Buy or (pick a name) general store/grocer. The departments have widdled if not vanished, it's a bummer to see. I suppose I'll have to check out Amazon, I haven't in some time, it was (in the distant past) more complicated for me to find the new releases (if I didn't know what they were ..) than an end cap at a store however I'm sure that has changed.

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I've been using DVDs to make my Jellyfin collection, and it's a nice experience.

I've had getting Jellyfin up and going for some time now, I bought the gear for it even. I just haven't had the time. The interface looks like a nice replacement for Netflix if I can get my entire collection on the server.

BluRay would probably require me to get a much more impressive media server. But I watch things on either a small-ish computer monitor, or a pocket projector with terrible resolution, so it'd mostly be wasted
space.

That will be my fear (or love .. haven't figured that one out yet) is more hard drives. I have 36tb, whats another XX?

Mind you, I don't want to have all these physical things (and generally don't keep them for long), but media is _so_ much nicer when it comes
with a side of being able to control it myself.

You don't miss the joy and pleasure of removing the plastic from the cassette, CD, DVD, etc.. and getting that "new media" smell? I suppose it's a bit nostalgic, maybe a bit hoarding, or to your point, just having ownership of the media collectively for me. I remember cancelling my Apple Music subscription and losing saved music. I felt a bit cheated after several months of membership fees; despite knowing I signed up for that.

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Hello The Godfather!

** On Thursday 21.11.24 - 19:28, The Godfather wrote to Adept:

[...] I remember cancelling my Apple Music subscription
and losing saved music. I felt a bit cheated after
several months of membership fees; despite knowing I
signed up for that.

The Spotify desktop app used to allow selecting the text of a
current playlist.

Eg. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/ 1NnSmPEdaQqXT2a8yk1Pln?si=6I9z0ROYRImqWhIACj7Llw

Now I am not sure if anyone/non-members can even sample the
30sec clips anymore.

And.. then pasting it to produce something like this [after a
little bit of artistic license here]:

[TRACK num]
[Song title]
[Artist]
[Album]
[Time]

1
The Times They Are A-Cha...
Bettye LaVette
Things Have Changed
5:07

2
Change On The Rise
Avi Kaplan
I'll Get By
4:00

3
Promises
Royal Wood
The Burning Bright
3:34

4
Goodnight, California
Kathleen Edwards
Asking For Flowers
6:28

5
Dodged A Bullet
Greg Laswell
Everyone Thinks I Dodge...
3:27

6
Time Stand Still
The Hooters
Time Stand Still
3:52

7
Lucky Man
Urban Hymns (Deluxe / Rem...
4:53

8
Subdivisions
Jacob Moon
Fascination
5:44

9
I Wanna Live In LA
Kristina Train
Dark Black
3:54

10
Lifetime Ago
Greg Laswell
Everyone Thinks I Dodged A..
3:40

11
That's How Much I Need Your ...
Chuck Prophet
No Other Love
4:06

12
It Ain't My Fault
Brothers Osborne
Pawn Shop
3:36

13
Race To The Bottom
Glen Hansard
This Wild Willing
6:15

14
Where The Bottles Break
John Gorka
Pure John Gorka
4:59

15
Far From Any Road
The Handsome Family
Singing Bones
2:46

16
Mississippi
The Secret Sisters
You Don't Own Me Anymore
4:22

17
Dig It
Tom Wilson
Tom Wilson's Planet Love
2:45

18
Par Citu Meiteni
Gustavo
PilsŽ"tas PortŽ?ls
3:09

I created the above by taking multiple screenshots of what the
Spotify display listed, pasting the images vertically to
produce one long list, and then feeding to an img-to-text
scanner.

It would be very nice indeed to save such lists to review,
reminisce, or share.

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I've had getting Jellyfin up and going for some time now, I bought the gear for it even. I just haven't had the time. The interface looks
like a nice replacement for Netflix if I can get my entire collection on the server.

Yeah, once you have enough stuff in it, it really does feel like using a decent streaming service.

Possibly better than a lot of them, since it's not as if you're getting ads or terrible suggestions.

You don't miss the joy and pleasure of removing the plastic from the cassette, CD, DVD, etc.. and getting that "new media" smell? I suppose it's a bit nostalgic, maybe a bit hoarding, or to your point, just

Well, sure, that's pleasant, but then there's the unpleasantness of having a pile of stuff that has questionable amounts of usage.

So I've tended to really only hold on to stuff that I think would be hard to find again. So things like the BBS Documentary (which, admittedly, my copy lives at my brother's place, I think), or the variety of organ DVDs I've been collecting.

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Amazon, I haven't in some time, it was (in the distant past) more complicated for me to find the new releases (if I didn't know what they were ..) than an end cap at a store however I'm sure that has changed.

I miss RedBox.

Mind you, I've mostly been out of the country, so I've missed it for slightly different reasons than people who were using it up until it mostly stopped existing, but still.

I guess I also miss Netflix DVDs, though that's further in the past.

For buying DVDs, I've avoided Amazon where I can, so have gotten familiar with random sites on the internet. E.g., media-dealer.de. It's a _little_ weird finding an ordering from a random internet site I haven't heard of before, but it wound up working out pretty well.

I think physical discs might still be a bit more common in Germany, though I'm not sure. But the challenge of finding something I want to buy is possibly easier online than in person, so I'm sure I'm part of the problem of declining sales.

I _have_ been using my local library more, though. Though it costs 1 Euro per DVD to borrow any DVD, which was different from in the US, where the only ones that cost anything (in the libraries I was familiar with) were ones that basically let you skip the line, and the libraries charging for it meant that the extra copies paid for themselves.

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Hi Adept,
In a message to The Godfather you wrote:

I've had getting Jellyfin up and going for some time now, I

Yeah, once you have enough stuff in it, it really does feel like using
a decent streaming service.

I've been running plex for a a long time, and subsonic even longer. I
recently shut down subsonic not because it didnt' work, but because I was
tired of keeping a JRE installed and updated.

I know it's not open source but I've never paid plex a penny in a dozen or
more years and I haven't found a feature it needed money for.

Main reason I can't switch away is the client, the plex client still works
on a really old roku stick the wife uses on an even older TV in the bedroom.

Well, sure, that's pleasant, but then there's the unpleasantness of
having a pile of stuff that has questionable amounts of usage.

We threw out around 500 DVD's this year to make room for our son to move
back in. I'd say we still have around 200 movies, and a few TV shows on
DVD and VHS (yes VHS), but we mostly watch those when we go to the trailer
as internet is $$$ there.

Shawn

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: The Godfather to Adept on Thu Nov 21 2024 07:28 pm

BluRay would probably require me to get a much more impressive media
server. But I watch things on either a small-ish computer monitor, or a
pocket projector with terrible resolution, so it'd mostly be wasted
space.

That will be my fear (or love .. haven't figured that one out yet) is more hard drives. I have 36tb, whats another XX?

Most of my collection is 4K and 1080p blu-ray, and I only have an 18TB drive for media in my Plex media server PC, and it's not even near full yet. But I do tend to transcode my movies after I rip them so that they're smaller. I do back up the original full-size rips onto an external USB hard drive though (and I keep a backup of my Plex media as well).

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It would be very nice indeed to save such lists to review,
reminisce, or share.

Not as good as the physical media, however super nice to have a backup of ones playlist .. list .. in case they had to change platforms for sure.

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Possibly better than a lot of them, since it's not as if you're getting ads or terrible suggestions.

haha yes I would not miss the terrible selections. I think I preferred netflix when they were mailing my DVD's to me.... I miss blockbuster.

Well, sure, that's pleasant, but then there's the unpleasantness of
having a pile of stuff that has questionable amounts of usage.

And to have to dust them, I suppose another downfall. But the smell of a jewell case might very well be worth it to me :)

admittedly, my copy lives at my brother's place, I think), or the
variety of organ DVDs I've been collecting.

Assuming the musical instrument, I would imagine those DVD's would be hard to come by.

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I miss RedBox.
Mind you, I've mostly been out of the country, so I've missed it for slightly different reasons than people who were using it up until it mostly stopped existing, but still.

RedBox was the "last stand" for video stores for sure. I miss it too. Hollywood video and Pharmore (Sp) were my favorite places to rent movies, I think they both had something stupid like $5 for 5 for 5. 5 movies, 5 days, $5. I can't imagine, outside of Hollywood's greed, why they went out of business :]

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Most of my collection is 4K and 1080p blu-ray, and I only have an 18TB drive for media in my Plex media server PC, and it's not even near full yet. But I do tend to transcode my movies after I rip them so that they're smaller. I do back up the original full-size rips onto an
external USB hard drive though (and I keep a backup of my Plex media as well).

Are you on Linux? I just bought the only Blu-ray drive in stock at Micro Center, an Asus (some model number). VNC won't play back any of the movies, so I have to watch one of the 100's of videos on getting the DVD's ripped to one of my drives. I have a 12tb sitting around uninstalled still, and an 18tb in my Amazon cart waiting for that "I don't need this but what the heck" moment. I only have about 50 Blu-ray's I need to initially rip to the drive, then I can reclaim a small bookshelf under my stairs. Do the Jellyfin or Plex servers work with video games too?

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: The Godfather to Nightfox on Sun Dec 01 2024 08:00 am

Most of my collection is 4K and 1080p blu-ray, and I only have an 18TB
drive for media in my Plex media server PC, and it's not even near full

Are you on Linux?

I run my Plex media server on a Linux PC, but I generally use Windows on my main PC (which I use for media ripping and other general stuff). I have it set up for dual boot with Windows and Linux, but most of the time I use Windows on it.

Do the Jellyfin or Plex servers work with video games too?

They don't do anything with games that I know of. What do you mean by "work with"? I haven't used Jellyfish at all, but Plex is generally made for serving video (movies, TV shows, etc.) and music, and Plex itself also offers online streaming live TV channels through the Plex service where they have TV shows and movies (which I've also seen done on Roku and other streaming devices).

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They don't do anything with games that I know of. What do you mean by "work with"? I haven't used Jellyfish at all, but Plex is generally

I think you answered my question, meaning, if I store my kids xbox discs on the server, I was curious if the Xbox could access and play the games. I suppose I'd have to dig deeper but probably a rabbit hole not worth exploring to simply reduce 15 or so discs from a shelf. I would think there would be a way with xbox and play station moving more toward cloud computing and internet streaming.

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: The Godfather to Nightfox on Sun Dec 01 2024 08:24 pm

I think you answered my question, meaning, if I store my kids xbox discs on the server, I was curious if the Xbox could access and play the games. I suppose I'd have to dig deeper but probably a rabbit hole not worth exploring to simply reduce 15 or so discs from a shelf.

I still like to keep everything I rip so that I still have a legal copy.

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haha yes I would not miss the terrible selections. I think I preferred netflix when they were mailing my DVD's to me.... I miss blockbuster.

Yeah, agreed. I can't say I ever _used_ the video store particularly much, but I _did_ use Redbox a fair amount, when it was an option. (I probably said that in a previous post, but it's been long enough that I guess I'll repeat myself.)

And to have to dust them, I suppose another downfall. But the smell of a jewell case might very well be worth it to me :)

This reminds me of a Strawberry Shortcake DVD that would have something in the plastic to make it smell like strawberries. Or fake strawberries? Regardless, _something_, and it was always a bit interesting that such things would intentionally add another sense to these things.

admittedly, my copy lives at my brother's place, I think), or the variety of organ DVDs I've been collecting.

Assuming the musical instrument, I would imagine those DVD's would be
hard to come by.

Assuming the body parts, I imagine they'd probably be even harder to come by.

But, yeah, fuguestatefilms.co.uk is where they're mostly (maybe entirely) from, and half the reason for me buying them is because of wanting them to continue making them.

But their DVD sales numbers have definitely been going down. But it was neat to visit a church/former church (Alkmaar) and be able to pick up a DVD discussing the organ.

But that's definitely niche. Not sure how many people would be interested in the concept, but it's probably not a ton more than the people interested in the idea of taking up organ playing (whether it happens or not).

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RedBox was the "last stand" for video stores for sure. I miss it too. Hollywood video and Pharmore (Sp) were my favorite places to rent
movies, I think they both had something stupid like $5 for 5 for 5. 5 movies, 5 days, $5. I can't imagine, outside of Hollywood's greed, why they went out of business :]

On the other hand, DVDs sitting on shelves make no money. And maybe you would have come away with one or two movies otherwise, and, hey, there are always late fees to think about...

That said, the libraries over here charge 1 Euro per DVD, and even that seems a bit expensive in comparison with US libraries where it is generally free, though maybe you were limited to taking 10 at a time, or had to wait on a hold list.

But, regardless, sad that they've gone away.

Though weird that I probably wouldn't mourn them if watching a streaming service were like choosing DVDs from the Netflix catalog at its height. Somehow we've gone from something that people largely controlled, but had to leave home for, to the panoply of streaming services that are missing vast chunks of movies, sometimes having to pay an extra rental fee, and sometimes without any way of legally seeing things.

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haha yes I would not miss the terrible selections. I think I preferr netflix when they were mailing my DVD's to me.... I miss blockbuster.

Yeah, agreed. I can't say I ever _used_ the video store particularly
much, but I _did_ use Redbox a fair amount, when it was an option. (I probably said that in a previous post, but it's been long enough that I guess I'll repeat myself.)

I was a Netflix customer when it was only DVDs by mail. I could order 3 at a time; I'd rip them right when they arrived and sent back for the next 3 - took around 48hrs... it was really good. I ripped so many Netflix DVDs!

People are buying the Red Box machines for less than $400 currently... dunno why you'd want one, but you can.

Early in Red Box life, me and a business partner were going to buy several. (In the early days they were working with individuals - 10k per machine...) We passed, but some entrepreneurs did well w/ Red Box.



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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: paulie420 to Adept on Tue Dec 03 2024 06:50 pm

People are buying the Red Box machines for less than $400 currently... dunno why you'd want one, but you can.

Early in Red Box life, me and a business partner were going to buy several. (In the early days they were working with individuals - 10k per machine...) We passed, but some entrepreneurs did well w/ Red Box.

Some time ago, I thought someone could buy an abandoned Hollywood Video or Blockbuster Video building and buy a bunch of Redbox and similar machines to stock it with (I did see one or two other companies doing the same thing), and people would be able to go to a central location again to rent movies. I like RedBox, but sometimes it can be inconvenient if you have to drive a ways to a particular machine to get a movie.

I find it weird that physical media has died out so much. It seems that people generally don't want control over their own stuff. But lately I feel like I've seen more people posting online about buying physical media again because people are mainly getting tired of streaming services removing content.

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Some time ago, I thought someone could buy an abandoned Hollywood Video or
Blockbuster Video building and buy a bunch of Redbox and similar machines
to stock it with (I did see one or two other companies doing the same thi ng), and people would be able to go to a central location again to rent mo vies. I like RedBox, but sometimes it can be inconvenient if you have to drive a ways to a particular machine to get a movie.

I used to use RedBox a bit back in the day. I remember it was cheaper than going to Blockbuster and renting but the selection was never great. My friends and I used to do a movie night each week for years and went to Blockbuster those nights until it went out of business because the selection was better and half the fun was wandering around the store trying to find something to watch.

I find it weird that physical media has died out so much. It seems that p eople generally don't want control over their own stuff. But lately I fee
l like I've seen more people posting online about buying physical media ag ain because people are mainly getting tired of streaming services removing
content.

Yeah, I think with the dawn of streaming the sheer convenience of it all made people drop physical media more and more as time went on and now we're at a point where it seems like everything is streamed and that's the only option... until Netflix or whatever decides they're not hosting it anymore and you can either dig through the other 50k streaming services to find it (if you have a subscription) or go 'Yo-ho-ho'ing on the pirate seas.. it's just a pain.. where a physical DVD I can go back and watch 10 years later if I want, no matter how obscure it is.

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: slacker to Nightfox on Wed Dec 04 2024 07:27 pm

Yeah, I think with the dawn of streaming the sheer convenience of it all made people drop physical media more and more as time went on and now we're at a point where it seems like everything is streamed and that's the only option... until Netflix or whatever decides they're not hosting it anymore and you can either dig through the other 50k streaming services to find it (if you have a subscription) or go 'Yo-ho-ho'ing on the pirate seas.. it's just a pain.. where a physical DVD I can go back and watch 10 years later if I want, no matter how obscure it is.

I've set up my own media server (using Plex Media Server) on a dedicated PC, and I like to rip my media and put it on there. I can then stream it from my media server any time, and not worry about it being removed. I've been using Plex Media Server for about 8 or 9 years now, and I like it. It can even stream your stuff outside your home, so if you're traveling, you can bring a streaming device and plug it into a hotel TV and watch your stuff there, which is cool.

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Yeah, agreed. I can't say I ever _used_ the video store particularly
much, but I _did_ use Redbox a fair amount, when it was an option. (I probably said that in a previous post, but it's been long enough that I guess I'll repeat myself.)

I still glance over where they used to be stationed and am quickly saddened by the coin machine and sell your iphone machine :(

This reminds me of a Strawberry Shortcake DVD that would have something
in the plastic to make it smell like strawberries. Or fake strawberries? Regardless, _something_, and it was always a bit interesting that such things would intentionally add another sense to these things.

My sister had those toys, I do remember them smelling a bit like strawberry. They did that a lot with pencil erasers too if I recall; I wonder if that was to encourage children into sticking them up ones nose. But yes, the jewel cases are still worth owning, I do notice though that the blu-rays don't have a distinctive smell to them. Movies are also less memoriable for me these days too though, so there is that :)

Assuming the body parts, I imagine they'd probably be even harder to
come by.

It's all in who you know (haha)

But, yeah, fuguestatefilms.co.uk is where they're mostly (maybe
entirely) from, and half the reason for me buying them is because of wanting them to continue making them.

That is now three organ enthusiasts I've had the pleasure of knowing within the BBS / Demo scene community. That makes sense (to keep buying them) I do that with Stella D'oro "S" breakfast cookies and any New Mexico hatch chili's (jarred or otherwise) I see show up on the retail shelves. The algo's of Kroger distribution otherwise replace them with
more oreo and pop tart space due to sell through / inventory turn. It's harder to get those things once loved once they lose "popularity."

But that's definitely niche. Not sure how many people would be
interested in the concept, but it's probably not a ton more than the people interested in the idea of taking up organ playing (whether it happens or not).

In general I'm finding it more difficult to get my kids involved in learning musical intruments without having to go to expensive schools for lessons. I remember growing up and band being free, began in (I belive 5th grade,) and was a regular class I could take all through high school. As good as my kids school system is, all they have is marching band available to kids that already took the private lessons growing up. I suppose I selected the wrong profession for getting my kids hooked on intruments. I will say the marching band win's "state" or at makes it to "state" each year and is quite the half time performance at the football games. Not the marching band I remember growing up for sure.

The organ seems like it would be an instrument someone could pick up more at any age and learn more so than say the Guitar?

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Some time ago, I thought someone could buy an abandoned Hollywood Video
or Blockbuster Video building and buy a bunch of Redbox and similar machines to stock it with (I did see one or two other companies doing
the same thing), and people would be able to go to a central location again to rent movies. I like RedBox, but sometimes it can be
inconvenient if you have to drive a ways to a particular machine to get
a movie.

Time has changed so much; there was a point where Redbox WAS the easiest way... I still remember Blockbuster Tuesdays - I bought so many DVDs!

I find it weird that physical media has died out so much. It seems that people generally don't want control over their own stuff. But lately I feel like I've seen more people posting online about buying physical
media again because people are mainly getting tired of streaming
services removing content.

I agree - I mentioned my DVD purchasing... I did move away from that media; sold all my DVDS, but I ripped then into high quality media files. I don't mind the non-physical, but its the cloud/streaming that I'm against. I want to own the data else I own nothing... and, owning hard media is still cool for the in-box STUFF.



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I agree - I mentioned my DVD purchasing... I did move away from that media; sold all my DVDS, but I ripped then into high quality media files. I don't mind the non-physical, but its the cloud/streaming that I'm against. I want to own the data else I own nothing... and, owning hard media is still cool for the in-box STUFF.

I hate leasing content. Movies are much different than music where there is more gatekeeping for the video stuff.

Same here. I still keep my DVDs and BRays in a box in my attic and occasionally I still buy some as collectives (very rare comparing to the past as I don't even have the place to store them).. but all is digitalized these days. I have Netflix for the sake of animated movies my kid watches passionately, but for myself I rather rip and store on NAS.

Sam with music... a countless number of CDs in the attic but my living room has only vinyls exposed for a slow life orientated music listening sessions.

All the rest to become a fancy noise when I work or drive are 320kB MP3 and VOX to play them across my audio devices directly or via BT.

-h1

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Hi Nightfox,
In a message to Slacker you wrote:

I've set up my own media server (using Plex Media Server) on a
dedicated PC, and I like to rip my media and put it on there. I can

This is also what I do. We also keep the DVD's for using at the trailer
where internet is very expensive. For Music I've been buying the download
for years so if I want a CD I burn one myself. (I have not done this is
many years now - but I could!)

years now, and I like it. It can even stream your stuff outside your
home, so if you're traveling, you can bring a streaming device and
plug it into a hotel TV and watch your stuff there, which is cool.

I connect to it at work on Sundays when I'm alone so I can listen to
music. I was running subsonic for that (ran it for years and years) but recently I switched to plex since it was running anyway and by scrapping Subsonic I could get rid of the JRE too! ;)

Shawn

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though that the blu-rays don't have a distinctive smell to them. Movies are also less memoriable for me these days too though, so there is that

I think I saw something from the Angry Video Game Nerd about how much blu-rays wind up using the default menu and lack extras.

And also that it's super weird that we wound up with a standard controlled by exactly one company, and the format it worse because of it (e.g., because of rather high fees to make one of them).

As for movies being less memorable... Well, I'm sure there's some truth to it, because of all the various pressures on movie making that exist now, but didn't in previous decades.

But there's also a huge quantity of forgettable films that were made in the past, too.

The organ seems like it would be an instrument someone could pick up
more at any age and learn more so than say the Guitar?

Why would guitar be a challenge?

Though, with the organ, I think the biggest challenge is probably access to an instrument to practice on.

Even for me, where I'd like to explore the concept (though, really, my skills with a piano keyboard are not great, and it would likely be better if I got better with various aspects of that. Even if playing an organ is decidedly different in style.), since I don't have connections to a church organ, and am not particularly good with the local language, the most reasonable option for a practice instrument would be to make a hack of a setup.

And it's _expensive_. The _cheap_(ish) part would be not-quite-purpose-built keyboards and something to hold them up. The cheap-to-moderate part would be the software, and the expensive part (probably $1k or lots of shop tools that I do not have) is the pedal board.

And saying, "okay, I'd like this sort of complete solution delivered to me" is not really an option, unless paying maybe $4k for an impressive piece of furniture.

Learning guitar? Probably have a variety of choices under $100, even if it'd be easy to spend lots more.

The organ seems like it would be an instrument someone could pick up
more at any age and learn more so than say the Guitar?

...that said, thinking of the idea of picking up instruments later in life, the one I imagine being... challenging, is a violin (or any of its larger cousins).

I tried that a bit, as an adult, but the amount of, "this sounds _dreadful_" required before you can get to more than a moment of, "Ahh, that actually sounds like music" is... a lot. How can an adult press through that kind of torture?

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I hate leasing content. Movies are much different than music where there is more gatekeeping for the video stuff.

That _is_ a good point -- I don't remember a point where some highly-popular song became unavailable for purchase, or got locked up as much as movies and TV series do.

And even the streaming services seem to wind up offering _everything_, rather than having to go to Spotify for one song, Apple Music for another, Youtube for a third, and so on.

And, for the most part, when buying music and downloading it, it comes in a format that's as good or better than the pirated version.

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Wed Dec 04 2024 07:19 pm

Time has changed so much; there was a point where Redbox WAS the easiest way... I still remember Blockbuster Tuesdays - I bought so many DVDs!

I had noticed that rental discs were different than discs for purchase. It seemed that most of the time, rental discs had a lot fewer extras on them and more ads, so I shied away from buying rental discs.

I agree - I mentioned my DVD purchasing... I did move away from that media; sold all my DVDS, but I ripped then into high quality media files. I don't mind the non-physical, but its the cloud/streaming that I'm against. I want to own the data else I own nothing... and, owning hard media is still cool for the in-box STUFF.

Yeah, my main concern is owning my media and being able to play it any time I want. I wouldn't mind buying a movie in a DRM-free downloadable format, but I dont't think they do that for movies. I've bought music that way and don't mind (especially if it's in a lossless format like FLAC - and I can convert it to MP3 myself if I want), and I can make backups of the media in case something happens.

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: Tiny to Nightfox on Thu Dec 05 2024 06:14 am

This is also what I do. We also keep the DVD's for using at the trailer where internet is very expensive. For Music I've been buying the download for years so if I want a CD I burn one myself. (I have not done this is many years now - but I could!)

I've bought some music in downloadable format. I prefer if it's offered in a lossless format like FLAC; I can convert it to something like MP3 myself if I want.

I connect to it at work on Sundays when I'm alone so I can listen to music. I was running subsonic for that (ran it for years and years) but recently I switched to plex since it was running anyway and by scrapping Subsonic I could get rid of the JRE too! ;)

:) I installed PlexAmp on my work laptop so I can stream my music collection at work, and I have headphones I use for that. I do have my music on my phone as well, though since regular headphone jacks have pretty much been removed from phones these days, it's a little harder to charge a phone and use headphones at the same time. My work headset is USB, and I find it's easier to keep it plugged into my work laptop and stream my music there.

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But there's also a huge quantity of forgettable films that were made in the past, too.

That is true, and we were less picky because we knew less of them.

-h1

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Hi Nightfox,
On <Fri, 05 Dec 24>, you wrote me:

I've bought some music in downloadable format. I prefer if it's
offered in a lossless format like FLAC; I can convert it to something
like MP3 myself if I want.

Yes, I always download the best quality lossless they offer, and convert
to MP3 for the devices that need it.

:) I installed PlexAmp on my work laptop so I can stream my music collection at work, and I have headphones I use for that. I do have

I do that on the personal laptop, but the work one won't let me install anything. The number of spy programs watching us exceeds the number
of apps we actually use. LOL

my music on my phone as well, though since regular headphone jacks
have pretty much been removed from phones these days, it's a little
harder to charge a phone and use headphones at the same time. My work headset is USB, and I find it's easier to keep it plugged into my work laptop and stream my music there.

I use a single ear headset at work (BT) and have a pair of cheap noise cancelling headphones (USB) there as well that I use when I'm in a meeting since my desk is pretty much in the open.

Shawn

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But there's also a huge quantity of forgettable films that were made the past, too.

That is true, and we were less picky because we knew less of them.

It hadn't really occurred to me that, yes, back in the 1990s, going to rottentomatoes.com and checking to see what the average critic and audience score were was not a common part of picking a movie.

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: Adept to hollowone on Fri Dec 06 2024 11:20 am

It hadn't really occurred to me that, yes, back in the 1990s, going to rottentomatoes.com and checking to see what the average critic and audience score were was not a common part of picking a movie.

I remember watching Siskel & Ebert on TV sharing their movie reviews. I also seem to recall seeing a section in the newspaper that had movie reviews.

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I remember watching Siskel & Ebert on TV sharing their movie reviews. I also seem to recall seeing a section in the newspaper that had movie reviews.

And Teletext pages! Some of my local channels had some interesting pages with movie reviews. Man that was my read only Internet of the majority of the 90s!

-h1

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: hollowone to Nightfox on Fri Dec 06 2024 10:28 am

I remember watching Siskel & Ebert on TV sharing their movie reviews. I
also seem to recall seeing a section in the newspaper that had movie
reviews.

And Teletext pages! Some of my local channels had some interesting pages with movie reviews. Man that was my read only Internet of the majority of the 90s!

I didn't use those. I started using the internet in late 1995 (I hadn't even really heard of the internet until shortly before that), and I mainly was using web sites, FTP sites, and Kali (a program that allowed playing DOS IPX/SPX network multiplayer games over the internet).

Nightfox
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Nightfox wrote to hollowone <=-

I remember watching Siskel & Ebert on TV sharing their movie reviews. I
also seem to recall seeing a section in the newspaper that had movie
reviews.

And Teletext pages! Some of my local channels had some interesting pages with movie reviews. Man that was my read only Internet of the majority of the 90s!

I didn't use those. I started using the internet in late 1995 (I
hadn't even really heard of the internet until shortly before that),
and I mainly was using web sites, FTP sites, and Kali (a program that allowed playing DOS IPX/SPX network multiplayer games over the
internet).

Kali! One of my all time favs. Registered that (and still have the
printed page with reg code), and played *MANY* hours of games on it,
mostly Duke Nukem 3D. Great stuff!



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Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

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Did you swipe this tagline from me, or did I swipe it from you?



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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

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Did you swipe this tagline from me, or did I swipe it from you?

Hahahaha! Can't recall for sure, but I think I got it from you. :-)



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It hadn't really occurred to me that, yes, back in the 1990s, going t rottentomatoes.com and checking to see what the average critic and audience score were was not a common part of picking a movie.

I remember watching Siskel & Ebert on TV sharing their movie reviews. I also seem to recall seeing a section in the newspaper that had movie reviews.

Yeah, and that's what we had. If you wanted to find out reviews on various different films from the 1970s, you probably had to use some microfilm at the library.

Or find a book, I guess. I would imagine there were plenty of those that compiled movie reviews.

Though it makes me wonder when movie reviewing in newspapers became a thing. Probably from the beginning, I guess...

...searching...

I guess the short answer is, "earliest 1900s, with the first paper coming out in 1908, but the essay style that we're familiar with now emerged in the 1940s."

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Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

... YORGAMAK HAS ARRIVED AND WILL INITIATE DESTRUCTIMATION.

Did you swipe this tagline from me, or did I swipe it from you?

Hahahaha! Can't recall for sure, but I think I got it from you. :-)

If you swiped it from me, than I swiped it from someone else. Anyone
volunteer as to who I swiped it from and where they swiped it from?



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Adept wrote to Nightfox <=-

Or find a book, I guess. I would imagine there were plenty of those
that compiled movie reviews.

Yes! Siskel and Ebert put one out, and so did the other NBC movie
reviewer - Gene Shalit?

What I loved was Joe Bob Briggs' Drive-in Movie reviews. He reviewed bad
films, with a singular style.

And I quote:

"Howdy, drive-in mutants! Ever wonder what would happen if someone made a
movie that's equal parts Mad Max, Orpheus and Eurydice, and a heavy
metal music video from 1987? Well, grab your popcorn and your holy
water, because boy howdy, do I have a treat for you.

Let me tell you about a little slice of B-movie heaven called "Highway
to Hell" - a flick that's been collecting dust in the bargain bins of
video stores since 1991, and damn well shouldn't have been. This is what happens when you take a young Chad Lowe (yeah, Rob's baby brother),
throw him in a Ford Pinto with a pizza sign on top, and send him
straight to Hell to rescue his girlfriend from Satan's dating app."

His goto line was "No plot to get in the way of the action..."




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If you swiped it from me, than I swiped it from someone else. Anyone volunteer as to who I swiped it from and where they swiped it from?

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Not Me!, the Tagline file on my desktop is large but never saw that one b4.
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I find it weird that physical media has died out so much. It seems that people generally don't want control over their own stuff.

I don't think it's about people not wanting to control over their own stuff, its just way more convenient. Back in the day I did torrent many movies and shows, not because it was free, but because it was way faster to download than it was to run to a Blockbuster to rent something.

But lately I

feel like I've seen more people posting online about buying physical media again because people are mainly getting tired of streaming
services removing content.

Yes this is super annoying, but the main reason for this is that studios are revoking their licenses to stream their content so that can exclusively distribute their content on their own platform. AKA NBC removing shows from Netflix so they can have it on Peackcock.
I feel that maybe there should be some sort of law to separate content creators and content distributer as the current system does hurt the the consumers.
Consumers should not be forced to choose which platform to stream from based on what content is available, but instead choose a platform based on quality of service, and/or features that fit the consumer needs. Studios would still be able to create content for their platform, but instead of being exclusive they could of cross platform agreements. AKA have Netflix created content Disney+ and vise verses.

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: neoshock to Nightfox on Mon Dec 09 2024 12:14 pm

I find it weird that physical media has died out so much. It seems that
people generally don't want control over their own stuff.

I don't think it's about people not wanting to control over their own stuff, its just way more convenient. Back in the day I did torrent many movies and shows, not because it was free, but because it was way faster to download than it was to run to a Blockbuster to rent something.

Yes, what I meant was, people are choosing convenience and don't seem to care about that media possibly being removed from the streaming service at some point. Or maybe they don't think about that.

media again because people are mainly getting tired of streaming services
removing content.

Yes this is super annoying, but the main reason for this is that studios are revoking their licenses to stream their content so that can exclusively distribute their content on their own platform. AKA NBC removing shows from Netflix so they can have it on Peackcock.
I feel that
maybe there should be some sort of law to separate content creators and content distributer as the current system does hurt the the consumers. Consumers should not be forced to choose which platform to stream from based on what content is available, but instead choose a platform based on quality of service, and/or features that fit the consumer needs. Studios

I agree with this. It would be nice to have just one streaming srevice and be able to watch what you want there, rather than pay for a bunch of different services for various things you want to watch. But I guess in a way, it's the same as it has always been. With cable TV, companies would have their own channels where their content was broadcast. A lot of people don't want to pay high prices for cable though, but now the alternative is paying a lot for multiple streaming services. At least you can limit the number of streaming services you use, but then you're limited to watching only what they offer.

Nightfox
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different services for various things you want to watch. But I guess in
a way, it's the same as it has always been. With cable TV, companies would have their own channels where their content was broadcast. A lot

Actually this was not the case, Studios did not have their own channel. They were networks that would syndicate their shows to local channels, and would have partnerships with that local channel. It wasn't until fairly recently that Studio Companies started to buy cable companies.

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: neoshock to Nightfox on Mon Dec 09 2024 01:10 pm

different services for various things you want to watch. But I guess in
a way, it's the same as it has always been. With cable TV, companies
would have their own channels where their content was broadcast. A lot

Actually this was not the case, Studios did not have their own channel. They were networks that would syndicate their shows to local channels, and would have partnerships with that local channel. It wasn't until fairly recently that Studio Companies started to buy cable companies.

Yeah, I remember that. I was thinking of cable-specific channels (such as Discovery, CNN, HBO, etc.), but maybe it still didn't work how I was thinking.

Nightfox
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different services for various things you want to watch. But I guess in
a way, it's the same as it has always been. With cable TV, companies

I don't think it was the same, when people were getting Netflix DVDs.

Because, if you wanted a movie, you went, "Well, I'll order it on Netflix".

Once Netflix streaming was around, even during the early days when their catalog was at its most impressive, if you were to ask, "I wonder if Netflix has...", the answer was, "no".

It would be nice if we could get to a world where the content producers get paid by streamers, by some legally-required rate (like how music generally is), and the content producers can't control the content once it's released.

Similar to how things work with the first-sale doctrine.

Or, if that's not possible, have a time limit to things, so that something similar goes into effect after 2 to 5 years, after the company should have made most of the money they're ever going to make on it.

And, honestly, copyright could last that long too, pretty reasonably, but that's a whole discussion on its own.

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: Adept to Nightfox on Tue Dec 10 2024 07:26 pm

Once Netflix streaming was around, even during the early days when their catalog was at its most impressive, if you were to ask, "I wonder if Netflix has...", the answer was, "no".

Yeah, I first tried Netflix streaming in 2011, thinking it would be an alternative to going to RedBox to rent movies as they came out for rent. But I soon found out that it wasn't like that.

It would be nice if we could get to a world where the content producers get paid by streamers, by some legally-required rate (like how music generally is), and the content producers can't control the content once it's released.

Yeah, something like that would probably be good.

And, honestly, copyright could last that long too, pretty reasonably, but that's a whole discussion on its own.

In the US, I think copyright for music & movies lasts 70 years after the author's (or producer's) death. It might apply to books too, but I don't remember for sure.

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And, honestly, copyright could last that long too, pretty reasonably, that's a whole discussion on its own.

In the US, I think copyright for music & movies lasts 70 years after the author's (or producer's) death. It might apply to books too, but I don't remember for sure.

Yeah, death + 70, or 95 years if it was made directly for a corporation.

It gets a lot more complicated than that, with all the various things made before the various copyright extensions.

And, due to lots of international agreements pushed by the US, the US version of copyright is fairly widely spread.

And, yeah, my throwaway point was, if copyright lasted for 5 years, most of the money made from copyrighted things by the original makers would still be made.

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Hello Adept!

And, yeah, my throwaway point was, if copyright lasted for
5 years, most of the money made from copyrighted things by
the original makers would still be made.

There are many examples of cases where a work gains attention
or a resurgence many years later. So.. to assume the initial 5
yrs is when "most of the money is made" is not necessarily
true.

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And, yeah, my throwaway point was, if copyright lasted for
5 years, most of the money made from copyrighted things by
the original makers would still be made.

There are many examples of cases where a work gains attention
or a resurgence many years later. So.. to assume the initial 5
yrs is when "most of the money is made" is not necessarily
true.

It is absolutely true in the way I meant it, which is that, for the total value produced by copyrighted works, "most of the money made from copyrighted things by the original makers would still be made" with a copyright of 5 years.

This is likely to be true, because it has been reliably true in the past, and there's no reason to think it'll change.

I was not making the argument that there are no exceptions, ever.

Obviously, the estate of William Shakespeare would be making a killing, if copyright were forever, even if most of the rest of writing from that era would likely never be worth re-publishing or writing derivative works from.

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Hello Adept!

There are many examples of cases where a work gains attention
or a resurgence many years later. So.. to assume the initial 5
yrs is when "most of the money is made" is not necessarily
true.

It is absolutely true in the way I meant it, which is that,
for the total value produced by copyrighted works, "most of
the money made from copyrighted things by the original
makers would still be made" with a copyright of 5 years.

One example of what I speak.. Wonkey Donkey - was out of print
for many years, until there was a video of a grandma reading
the book to a kid. The publisher re-released the book and made
a much bigger killing than originally.

This is likely to be true, because it has been reliably
true in the past, and there's no reason to think it'll
change.

It's probably an expectation, but not necessarily always true.
It really depends on marketing.

Obviously, the estate of William Shakespeare would be
making a killing, if copyright were forever, even if most
of the rest of writing from that era would likely never be
worth re-publishing or writing derivative works from.

I'm not talking about pothumus works.


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It's probably an expectation, but not necessarily always true.
It really depends on marketing.

It doesn't have to be always true for the average to be true.

Andrew

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