2020: A new COVID virus is causing an epidemic in China. Trump suggests
that we should close our border to travelers from China.

The Peanut Gallery ( + Nancy Pelosi and several other Democrat politicians): "RACIST! RACIST! RACIST! ORANGE MAN BAD! RACIST!"

2021: A new COVID variant is found in several countries in Southern
Africa, plus in Hong Kong, China. BOTH the Biden Administration, and the Trudeau Administration, close the border of their respective countries to travelers from those Southern African countries, but NOT to China or Hong
Kong.

The Peanut Gallery: <crickets>


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Biden will not punish China in any way because his son has investments with
a chinese company that is tied to the Chinese Communist Party. he will not
do anything that could negatively impact his son even if it means that the country he is supposed to be protecting gets worse economically as a result. China has been manipulating currency against the US for Decades and the only POTUS to stand up to them was Trump. All you Liberals are saying 'Bad Trump...you stood up to China. you can't do that'
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Biden will not punish China in any way because his son has investments with a chinese company that is tied to the Chinese Communist Party. he

I'm assuming that standing up to Russia isn't an option for Biden either.
We'll be buying their oil even after the Ukraine invasion.

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Weakness is not a good foreign policy. Russia did not cause any problems
like this when Trump was in office. Trump like Putin respects Strength. Nobody respects weakness and that is what Biden has shown the world that he
is weak so countries like Russia and China know that Biden will not stand up
to them as Trump did
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Biden will not punish China in any way because his son has investments with a chinese company that is tied to the Chinese Communist Party. he will not do anything that could negatively impact his son even if it means that the country he is supposed to be protecting gets worse economically as a result.

I am convinced China would have to do something pretty bad before Biden
would respond.

China has been manipulating currency against the US for Decades and the only POTUS to stand up to them was Trump. All you Liberals are saying 'Bad Trump...you stood up to China. you can't do that'

Especially if their area of the United States, or Canada, relies heavily in Chinese investment and tourism.


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Hello Robert,

Weakness is not a good foreign policy. Russia did not cause any problems like this when Trump was in office. Trump like Putin respects Strength. Nobody respects weakness and that is what Biden has shown the world that he
is weak so countries like Russia and China know that Biden will not stand up
to them as Trump did

Spoken like a true Putin sycophant. Donald Trump also spoke highly
about Vladimir Putin. As well as Tucker Carlson, host on Fox News,
who questioed why the USA would not side with Russia as it appears
ready to invade Ukraine.

Here are a few snippits from what Tucker Carlson said last night -

"Why is it disloyal to side with Russia but loyal to side with
Ukraine?"

Since your above statement implies Trump was/is loyal to Russia,
you should have no problem answering Carlson's question.

"They're both foreign countries that don't care anything about the
United States. Kind of strange."

Your above statement implies Trump was/is a wimp. Did nothing at
all to discourage Putin from continuing his illegal occupation of
Crimea, allowing Putin to continue his acts of aggression, not
only in Ukraine, but also elsewhere around the world.

Carlson also said that Ukraine was "strategically irrelevant to
the United States. No rational person could defend a war with
Russia over Ukraine. Nobody thinks a war like that would make
America safer or stronger or more prosperous."

By your own comments, you are saying Trump was/is another
Neville Chamberlain, allowing Putin to do as he pleases -
without opposition from the USA, Europe, or others.

Talk about a MAGA nutcase.
More like a MAGA nutcase in an orange clown suit.

Vladimir Putin calls the citizens of Russia and Ukraine "one
people". Would you like the text of his speech? It is freely
available. In both Russian, and English.

Tucker Carlson couldn't get enough, continuing his rant -
"The Chinese government is the only certain winner here."

Time for you, Tucker Carlson, and others to face the facts -
Donald Trump is a lackey for Vladimir Putin.

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Trump held China accountable. he put heavy tariffs on their goods and the first thing that Biden did was remove those tariffs since his son has
financial interests in a Chinese company with direct ties to the Chinese Communist Party

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On 25 Jan 2022, Robert Ethridge said the following...

Trump held China accountable. he put heavy tariffs on their goods and
the first thing that Biden did was remove those tariffs since his son has financial interests in a Chinese company with direct ties to the Chinese Communist Party

Nope. Biden didn't remove the tariffs.

Jeff.

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Weakness is not a good foreign policy. Russia did not cause any problems like this when Trump was in office. Trump like Putin respects Strength. Nobody respects weakness and that is what Biden has shown the world that he is weak so countries like Russia and China know that Biden will not stand up to them as Trump did

Excellent observations! Apparently this is what the media and the Democrat party have wanted since early 2016; a weakened country. We can't be properly subjugated until we're properly weakened.

The best thing we can do for Ukraine right now is... continue to buy natural gas from Russia!

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On 24 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Weakness is not a good foreign policy. Russia did not cause any prob like this when Trump was in office. Trump like Putin respects Streng Nobody respects weakness and that is what Biden has shown the world t he is weak so countries like Russia and China know that Biden will no stand up to them as Trump did

Excellent observations! Apparently this is what the media and the
Democrat party have wanted since early 2016; a weakened country. We
can't be properly subjugated until we're properly weakened.

Strength expressed through leadership and cooperation is far superior to strength expressed through bullying and violence. For all their fear of their government bullying them, conservatives seem to have no problem with it bullying others.

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

Weakness is not a good foreign policy. Russia did not cause any

problems

like this when Trump was in office. Trump like Putin respects

Strength.

Nobody respects weakness and that is what Biden has shown the world

that

he is weak so countries like Russia and China know that Biden will

not

stand up to them as Trump did

Excellent observations! Apparently this is what the media and the Democrat party have wanted since early 2016; a weakened country. We can't be properly
subjugated until we're properly weakened.

The best thing we can do for Ukraine right now is... continue to buy natural
gas from Russia!

Reward Vladimir Putin for invading Ukraine by buying natural gas
from Russia? That may be what Donald J. Trump would have done, as
he is a known Putin sycophant. I really had thought more of you.
But hey. Don't sweat it. I am sure Neville Chamberlain would
be soooo proud of you had he still been around.

--Lee

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Trump held China accountable. he put heavy tariffs on their goods and the first thing that Biden did was remove those tariffs since his son has financial interests in a Chinese company with direct ties to the Chinese Communist Party

Yes, Biden is weaker on China and, I am afraid, is going to turn out to be weaker on Russia.

All mainland Chinese companies have direct ties to the CCP as the
government owns them. Some may be a mix of state and "private" owned, but
all of them have ties to the government.


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On 25 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Trump held China accountable. he put heavy tariffs on their goods and t first thing that Biden did was remove those tariffs since his son has financial interests in a Chinese company with direct ties to the Chinese Communist Party

Yes, Biden is weaker on China and, I am afraid, is going to turn out to
be weaker on Russia.
All mainland Chinese companies have direct ties to the CCP as the government owns them. Some may be a mix of state and "private" owned,
but all of them have ties to the government.

Just as any US company whose CEO, executives, or directors make political donations has "ties" to the US government.

Jeff.

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On 01-25-22 16:34, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Robert Ethridge about Re: 2020 vs. 2021 <=-

I am afraid, is going to turn out to be weaker on Russia.

Let's examine that statement. Biden is sending arms to Ukraine to help
it defend itself against Russia. Trump held up approved arms shipments
as part of a blackmail to force Ukraine to give dirt on the Biden's.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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The best thing we can do for Ukraine right now is... continue to buy natural
gas from Russia!

Reward Vladimir Putin for invading Ukraine by buying natural gas
from Russia? That may be what Donald J. Trump would have done, as
he is a known Putin sycophant. I really had thought more of you.

It's been going on at least since the Trump era.

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I am afraid, is going to turn out to be weaker on Russia.

Let's examine that statement. Biden is sending arms to Ukraine to help
it defend itself against Russia. Trump held up approved arms shipments
as part of a blackmail to force Ukraine to give dirt on the Biden's.

Do you think that there's any chance that Ukraine can use those arms to successfully defend itself against Russia?

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Hello Aaron,

I am afraid, is going to turn out to be weaker on Russia.

Let's examine that statement. Biden is sending arms to Ukraine to help
it defend itself against Russia. Trump held up approved arms shipments
as part of a blackmail to force Ukraine to give dirt on the Biden's.

Do you think that there's any chance that Ukraine can use those arms to successfully defend itself against Russia?

The Taliban successfully defended themselves from Russia with
weapons they received from the USA and others. Unlike the British,
Russians did not make the same mistake twice.

--Lee

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Yes, Biden is weaker on China and, I am afraid, is going to turn out to be weaker on Russia.
All mainland Chinese companies have direct ties to the CCP as the government owns them. Some may be a mix of state and "private" owned, but all of them have ties to the government.

Just as any US company whose CEO, executives, or directors make political donations has "ties" to the US government.

No, these companies are owned by the government, and the government is
always ruled by one party.

In your scenario, the companies are donating to a party that might, or
might not, win.

You really don't like anything that paints Communism, or the CCP, in a
negative light.

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I am afraid, is going to turn out to be weaker on Russia.

Let's examine that statement. Biden is sending arms to Ukraine to help it defend itself against Russia. Trump held up approved arms shipments as part of a blackmail to force Ukraine to give dirt on the Biden's.

Do you think that there's any chance that Ukraine can use those arms to successfully defend itself against Russia?

Afghanistan sure could not.


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On 26 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Yes, Biden is weaker on China and, I am afraid, is going to turn ou be weaker on Russia.
All mainland Chinese companies have direct ties to the CCP as the government owns them. Some may be a mix of state and "private" own but all of them have ties to the government.

Just as any US company whose CEO, executives, or directors make politica donations has "ties" to the US government.

No, these companies are owned by the government, and the government is always ruled by one party.

"Ties" are "ties."

In your scenario, the companies are donating to a party that might, or might not, win.

Often they donate to both.

You really don't like anything that paints Communism, or the CCP, in a negative light.

Having companies "tied to" the government doesn't paint communism in any
worse of a light than it does capitalism.

Jeff.

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On 01-26-22 08:30, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: 2020 vs. 2021 <=-

I am afraid, is going to turn out to be weaker on Russia.

Let's examine that statement. Biden is sending arms to Ukraine to help
it defend itself against Russia. Trump held up approved arms shipments
as part of a blackmail to force Ukraine to give dirt on the Biden's.

Do you think that there's any chance that Ukraine can use those arms
to successfully defend itself against Russia?

They will defend themselves better with them than they would have
without them. That said, I am not one who knows the odds on military
conflicts -- so I really do not know the answer to your question.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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On 01-26-22 16:10, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: 2020 vs. 2021 <=-

Do you think that there's any chance that Ukraine can use those arms to successfully defend itself against Russia?

Afghanistan sure could not.

Wrong. In the end, Afghanistan made Russia quit and leave. I'd call
that defending itself against Russia.

Dale Shipp
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Do you think that there's any chance that Ukraine can use those arms to successfully defend itself against Russia?

Afghanistan sure could not.

Wrong. In the end, Afghanistan made Russia quit and leave. I'd call
that defending itself against Russia.

Afghanistan was not able to defend itself against its most recent enemy,
an enemy far less powerful than Russia, using the arms that we left for
them.


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On 01-27-22 16:01, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: 2020 vs. 2021 <=-

Do you think that there's any chance that Ukraine can use those arms to successfully defend itself against Russia?

Afghanistan sure could not.

Wrong. In the end, Afghanistan made Russia quit and leave. I'd call
that defending itself against Russia.

Afghanistan was not able to defend itself against its most recent
enemy, an enemy far less powerful than Russia, using the arms that we
left for them.

I am uncertain whether or not the power in Afganistan that the Russias were fighting was not the Taliban. The Taliban has been the power in
Afganistan for a long time. In some sense, they are Afganistan and not
the government that the USA installed.

Dale Shipp
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On 28 Jan 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

I am uncertain whether or not the power in Afganistan that the Russias were fighting was not the Taliban. The Taliban has been the power in Afganistan for a long time. In some sense, they are Afganistan and not the government that the USA installed.

I'm pretty sure that the Afghan forces that fought the Soviets were the Mujahideen (who the US supported and of whom Osama bin Laden was a member).

Jeff.
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Hello Jeff,

I am uncertain whether or not the power in Afganistan that the Russias
were fighting was not the Taliban. The Taliban has been the power in
Afganistan for a long time. In some sense, they are Afganistan and not
the government that the USA installed.

I'm pretty sure that the Afghan forces that fought the Soviets were the Mujahideen (who the US supported and of whom Osama bin Laden was a member).

Osama bin Laden and his merry band of terrorists were never a part
of the Taliban.

--Lee

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On 29 Jan 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

I am uncertain whether or not the power in Afganistan that the Russi
were fighting was not the Taliban. The Taliban has been the power i
Afganistan for a long time. In some sense, they are Afganistan and
the government that the USA installed.

I'm pretty sure that the Afghan forces that fought the Soviets were t Mujahideen (who the US supported and of whom Osama bin Laden was a member).

Osama bin Laden and his merry band of terrorists were never a part
of the Taliban.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that someone said that Osama bin Laden
was part of the Taliban. Dale mentioned the Taliban but not Osama bin Laden, and I mentioned the Mujahideen and Osama bin Laden but not the Taliban.

Jeff.
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On 01-28-22 22:43, Jeff Thiele <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: 2020 vs. 2021 <=-

On 28 Jan 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

I am uncertain whether or not the power in Afganistan that the Russias were fighting was not the Taliban. The Taliban has been the power in Afganistan for a long time. In some sense, they are Afganistan and not the government that the USA installed.

I'm pretty sure that the Afghan forces that fought the Soviets were
the Mujahideen (who the US supported and of whom Osama bin Laden was a member).

I looked it up, and you are right. The Taliban came after that.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)



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On 29 Jan 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

I am uncertain whether or not the power in Afganistan that the Russia were fighting was not the Taliban. The Taliban has been the power in Afganistan for a long time. In some sense, they are Afganistan and n the government that the USA installed.

I'm pretty sure that the Afghan forces that fought the Soviets were the Mujahideen (who the US supported and of whom Osama bin Laden was member).

I looked it up, and you are right. The Taliban came after that.

No worries, man. Glad to help.

Jeff.
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