On 11-02-22 02:31, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Cancel Culture stupid <=-

You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy. Were you attacked by a white supremacist? That
would totally explain

Yes -- many of us were attacked. We were attacked at Charlottesville,
we were attacked on January 6 and multiple other times when white
nationalists applied their hate on the nation of which we are a part.

Dale Shipp
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Sir, do you understand that this is a response to your "cultural terrorism"? Marcuso's "cultural terror" ideology, which the WEF "agenda" hosters adhere to, involves provocative behavior in order to provoke a negative reaction. "Cultural terror", like "environmental terror", "Lgbt terror" is a common practice of cultural Marxists. The natural reaction of people in this case
is to protect themselves from the "red militants". You cannot terrorize people, create problems for them in everyday life with your "passive
cultural terrorist aggression" and then demand that they do not protect
their families. Everything has consequences. Even if the communists convince you that you are, of course, fighting for the truth. But this is just a
"red" political technology.

<Dale Shipp>

On 11-02-22 02:31, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Cancel Culture stupid <=-

You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy. Were you attacked by a white supremacist? That
would totally explain

Yes -- many of us were attacked. We were attacked at Charlottesville,
we were attacked on January 6 and multiple other times when white nationalists applied their hate on the nation of which we are a part.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)

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On 03 Nov 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...

Sir, do you understand that this is a response to your "cultural terrorism"? Marcuso's "cultural terror" ideology, which the WEF "agenda" hosters adhere to, involves provocative behavior in order to provoke a negative reaction. "Cultural terror", like "environmental terror", "Lgbt terror" is a common practice of cultural Marxists. The natural reaction
of people in this case is to protect themselves from the "red
militants". You cannot terrorize people, create problems for them in everyday life with your "passive cultural terrorist aggression" and then demand that they do not protect their families. Everything has consequences. Even if the communists convince you that you are, of
course, fighting for the truth. But this is just a "red" political technology.

Advocating for human rights is not "cultural terrorism."

If anything, the often violent reaction to people advocating for human rights is "cultural terrorism."

Jeff.

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Ok, tovarish

<Jeff Thiele>

On 03 Nov 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...

Sir, do you understand that this is a response to your "cultural terrorism"? Marcuso's "cultural terror" ideology, which the WEF

"agenda"

hosters adhere to, involves provocative behavior in order to provoke a negative reaction. "Cultural terror", like "environmental terror",

"Lgbt

terror" is a common practice of cultural Marxists. The natural

reaction

of people in this case is to protect themselves from the "red
militants". You cannot terrorize people, create problems for them in everyday life with your "passive cultural terrorist aggression" and

then

demand that they do not protect their families. Everything has consequences. Even if the communists convince you that you are, of course, fighting for the truth. But this is just a "red" political technology.

Advocating for human rights is not "cultural terrorism."

If anything, the often violent reaction to people advocating for human rights
is "cultural terrorism."

Jeff.

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On 03 Nov 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...

Ok, tovarish

I'm glad you agree. Maybe now you can figure out how to address your posts to individuals instead of "All" and maybe even learn how to put your coments
after the things you're quoting, like everyone else here does.

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I'm glad you agree. Maybe now you can figure out how to address your
posts to
individuals instead of "All" and maybe even learn how to put your comments after the things you're quoting, like everyone else here does.

I don't think that is possible. As I pointed out some time ago, he's posting to a so called BBS that is using 20th century usenet software (you know, everything addressed to ALL, top quoting, and antiquated stuff like that) and, as I pointed out the messages even violate the Fidonet standard (FTS-9), and thus should be banned from ever posting a single message via the Fido network.


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You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy. Were you attacked by a white supremacist? That
would totally explain

Yes -- many of us were attacked. We were attacked at Charlottesville,

Charlottesville was one person.

we were attacked on January 6 and multiple other times when white nationalists applied their hate on the nation of which we are a part.

But we were not attacked with "antifa" was attacking public buildings and private businesses in Portland and Seattle, or when business were attacked
and burned, during the Summer of 2020 riots in places like Minneapolis and
St. Louis? People were killed in both of those examples, too.

I know, those were not white supremacists or nationalists but they were attacks. White supremacists were not the only busy beavers over the past
2+ years, and every time one of those non-white supremacists attacks
appears to go unchecked, we are leaving the door open for others to see
that behavior and assume it is ok to cause their own trouble later.


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Sir, do you understand that this is a response to your "cultural terrorism"? Marcuso's "cultural terror" ideology, which the WEF "agenda" hosters adhere to, involves provocative behavior in order to provoke a negative reaction. "Cultural terror", like "environmental terror", "Lgbt terror" is a common practice of cultural Marxists. The natural reaction of people in this case
is to protect themselves from the "red militants". You cannot terrorize people, create problems for them in everyday life with your "passive
cultural terrorist aggression" and then demand that they do not protect
their families. Everything has consequences. Even if the communists convince you that you are, of course, fighting for the truth. But this is just a
"red" political technology.

They are not likely to connect the dots between allowing violent protests
for other reasons with "white nationalists" events that happen latter.

Leave the door open for one where the people share your views, you are going
to get others coming through the door that don't.


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Advocating for human rights is not "cultural terrorism."

It is when it becomes violent, which you only want to acknowledge when it
is pointed out and you have to.


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On 03 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

They are not likely to connect the dots between allowing violent protests for other reasons with "white nationalists" events that happen latter.

There are no dots to connect. The George Floyd protests were largely non-violent (although some violence did occur) and their goal was to bring attention to the failure of police to respect the rights of black people.

Charlottesville was about white supremacy, the exact opposite.

The 1/6 insurrection (to include the false electors, etc.) was an attempt to subvert the rights of American voters by keeping Trump in office by force.

Liberal protests tend to be about expanding or asserting rights, while conservative protests tend to be about suppressing the rights of others.

Jeff.

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On 03 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Advocating for human rights is not "cultural terrorism."

It is when it becomes violent, which you only want to acknowledge when it is pointed out and you have to.

There was some violence in the George Floyd riots, but it was small compared
to the number of peaceful protesters. By and large, protesters advocating for human rights are peaceful.

Jeff.

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Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

But we were not attacked with "antifa" was attacking public buildings
and private businesses in Portland and Seattle, or when business were attacked and burned, during the Summer of 2020 riots in places like Minneapolis and St. Louis? People were killed in both of those
examples, too.

But for the Ignorant Elitists, it's always "Rules for thee, but not for me."

**They** are justified in whatever actions they do because their cause is "just". But no one else can do those same things to them.


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stuff like that) and, as I pointed out the messages even violate the Fidonet standard (FTS-9), and thus should be banned from ever posting a single message via the Fido network.

Banning people who don't agree with you is gay.

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Advocating for human rights is not "cultural terrorism."

It is when it becomes violent, which you only want to acknowledge when it
is pointed out and you have to.

There was some violence in the George Floyd riots, but it was small compared to the number of peaceful protesters. By and large, protesters advocating for human rights are peaceful.

There was more riots and violence over those multiple days than on 1/6.
There wwas more "antifa" violence during the same period in Seattle and Portland than there was on 1/6.


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But for the Ignorant Elitists, it's always "Rules for thee, but not for me."

**They** are justified in whatever actions they do because their cause is "just". But no one else can do those same things to them.

That is on display pretty regular here.


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On 04 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Advocating for human rights is not "cultural terrorism."

It is when it becomes violent, which you only want to acknowledge w it
is pointed out and you have to.

There was some violence in the George Floyd riots, but it was small comp to the number of peaceful protesters. By and large, protesters advocatin human rights are peaceful.

There was more riots and violence over those multiple days than on 1/6. There wwas more "antifa" violence during the same period in Seattle and Portland than there was on 1/6.

Perhaps, but it was spread across the entire nation, and choosing to leave
out most domestic terrorism is cherry-picking.

For example, in terms of deaths, the Oklahoma City bombing was worse than all three, and it was committed by a right-winger who happened to dislike our government very much.

Jeff.

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On 04 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

**They** are justified in whatever actions they do because their cause i "just". But no one else can do those same things to them.

That is on display pretty regular here.

Who does the far-right prey upon? Immigrants, people of color, drag queens,
the LQBTQ+.

Except for the 2nd amendment, everything the right does involves curtailing rights, not expanding them. And the 2nd amendment is only an exception
because they want to be able to prepare for physical violence if threats and property damage don't accomplish their goals.

The only way that the right can maintain power is by limiting the rights of
the people. The only way that they can win an election is by controlling who
is able to vote.

You spoke earlier about communism needing authoritarianism to maintain
control; we are seeing that right here in our own country, except it's not
the communists; it's the "patriots."

Jeff.

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Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

But we were not attacked with "antifa" was attacking public buildings
and private businesses in Portland and Seattle, or when business were attacked and burned, during the Summer of 2020 riots in places like Minneapolis and St. Louis? People were killed in both of those
examples, too.

IMO, those riots were from groups of people taking advantage of the
situation, and that those people were not from any organized group like
the white nationalists are. As to Portland and Seattle, I'm not sure
who was behind those events. In every case, I do not agree with the destruction of property or life -- no matter what the political leaning
of those participating in the events. Those who participate in such destruction should be caught and prosecuted -- no matter what their
political leaning is ( if any).

Dale Shipp
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Perhaps, but it was spread across the entire nation, and choosing to leave out most domestic terrorism is cherry-picking.

Choosing to leave ANY domestic terrorism out is cherry-picking, which is
what one of us (not me) generally does.

I also find it odd that you questioned things from "the past" in one
message, and then have to dredge up examples from the past, to blanace out
more recent events, in others.


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Who does the far-right prey upon? Immigrants, people of color, drag queens, the LQBTQ+.

Who does the far-left prey upon to stay in power? Those same groups.
Who do they prey upon ("against")? People who have religion, people who live in rural areas, people with jobs in sectors they don't like, people who say things they don't like, people who want to have a say in their child's education.

That last one is important, as it feeds into who is doing what to stay in control:

You spoke earlier about communism needing authoritarianism to maintain control; we are seeing that right here in our own country, except it's not the communists; it's the "patriots."

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IMO, those riots were from groups of people taking advantage of the situation, and that those people were not from any organized group like
the white nationalists are. As to Portland and Seattle, I'm not sure
who was behind those events. In every case, I do not agree with the destruction of property or life -- no matter what the political leaning
of those participating in the events. Those who participate in such destruction should be caught and prosecuted -- no matter what their
political leaning is ( if any).

Assuming they were not "false flag" events, which we all know is crazy conspiracy theory territory, Portland and Seattle were left-wing groups.

I agree 100% with your conclusion.


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On 05 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Perhaps, but it was spread across the entire nation, and choosing to lea out most domestic terrorism is cherry-picking.

Choosing to leave ANY domestic terrorism out is cherry-picking, which is what one of us (not me) generally does.

Except that's what you've done in this case.

I also find it odd that you questioned things from "the past" in one message, and then have to dredge up examples from the past, to blanace
out more recent events, in others.

Past FidoNet practices and historical violence are two very different things.

Jeff.

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On 05 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Who does the far-right prey upon? Immigrants, people of color, drag quee the LQBTQ+.

Who does the far-left prey upon to stay in power? Those same groups.

No, they don't.

Who do they prey upon ("against")? People who have religion,

Leftists tend to have no problem with religion as long as people don't try to force their religious beliefs upon others, or make others follow their religion's rules.

That is very apparent in the struggle for LGBTQ+ rights, a struggle in which the left is supportive of LGBTQ+ persons, not preying on them.

people who
live in rural areas,

How so?

people with jobs in sectors they don't like

Climate change is an emergency. That is nothing personal against coal miners, etc.

people who want to have a say in their
child's education.

The people who want to ban books or certain topics of discussion are largely doing so because they want to force their beliefs on others or refuse to
accept reality.

That last one is important, as it feeds into who is doing what to stay in control:

You spoke earlier about communism needing authoritarianism to maintain control; we are seeing that right here in our own country, except it's n the communists; it's the "patriots."

Indeed. Conservatives are trying to corrupt the educational system to advance their beliefs.

Jeff.

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