What is the world coming to when you can't enjoy the holidays because your right to murder babies is being transferred from the federal gov to your
state? People who don't agree with their state can move to a different one.

It seems like leftists are afraid that the USA's abortion tally might decline as a result of this. Planned Parenthood (a leftist organization) does everything they possibly can to encourage abortions, so as an organization
this can be frustrating for their employees. But is the whole country supposed to cancel all holidays just because Dr Death needs to move his clinic to California?

How will the islamic people like it if we start saying "F Ramadan because women's rights?"

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Hello Aaron,

What is the world coming to when you can't enjoy the holidays because your right to murder babies is being transferred from the federal gov to your state? People who don't agree with their state can move to a different one.

The extremist SCOTUS is not really a court of justice, but a junta.
That is the first thing you need to understand.

It seems like leftists are afraid that the USA's abortion tally might decline as a result of this.

I have no idea of what a "leftist" is, or might be. But whatever it
is, assuming such a creature exists, up until the 1880s abortions were
morally acceptable and legal, even with the Catholic Church's blessing
and approval of the procedure before 'quickening'. So why do you have
a problem with this?

Planned Parenthood (a leftist organization) does everything they possibly can to encourage abortions, so as an organization this can be frustrating for their employees.

Just because Planned Parenthood provides abortion care (where legal)
for women does not mean it encourages abortions. Women's health care
is not all about providing abortions for those who want them. That
is another thing you need to understand.

But is the whole country supposed to cancel all holidays just because Dr Death needs to move his clinic to California?

C'mon, get real. Historians say the desire to ban the procedure of
abortion had more to do with business than women's health.

President Bill Clinton said it right. Abortion should be "safe, legal,
and rare." I would include "everywhere" as an addendum to those words
of wisdom.

We need more politicians like President Clinton.

Abortion is a decision that should be made between the woman, her
doctor, and her family. Politicians have no business butting their
collective noses in anybody else's business. Especially women's
health issues.

How will the islamic people like it if we start saying "F Ramadan because women's rights?"

What we have today is a Taliban Christian extremist junta ruling
America. Kinda like Margaret Atwood's dystopian vision in "The
Handmaid's Tale".

The tyranny on the right will all come crashing down at noon on
January 20, 2025 when Hillary Rodham Clinton takes the oath of office
as the 48th President of the United States. And what a wonderful
world it will be for all of us.

For Life,
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The extremist SCOTUS is not really a court of justice, but a junta.
That is the first thing you need to understand.

What about the leftist activists like Ketanji & Sotomayor? They're part of a conservative collective now?

I have no idea of what a "leftist" is, or might be. But whatever it
is, assuming such a creature exists, up until the 1880s abortions were morally acceptable and legal, even with the Catholic Church's blessing
and approval of the procedure before 'quickening'. So why do you have
a problem with this?

I'm Catholic, yea, but my whole life can't revolve around church policy.

Death to evil doers, good health to babies.

Just because Planned Parenthood provides abortion care (where legal)
for women does not mean it encourages abortions. Women's health care
is not all about providing abortions for those who want them. That
is another thing you need to understand.

Lee, have you been to Planned Parenthood? I've been there. I used to think the same thing as you until I went there. They encourage abortion like their paychecks depend on it. Planned Parenthood is NOT some friendly place to go for free condoms and/or prenatal vitamins; it is a place to go to terminate pregnancies. The doctors who work there don't make the big bucks by handing out condoms.

At Planned Parenthood, Plan A is ABORT, and plan B is BIRTH. (I'm not joking.)

The tyranny on the right will all come crashing down at noon on
January 20, 2025 when Hillary Rodham Clinton takes the oath of office
as the 48th President of the United States. And what a wonderful
world it will be for all of us.

I wish Hillary had won in 2016. She's quite corrupt but she keeps it real a
lot better than Biden does and media would have kept her going for 2 terms.

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What is the world coming to when you can't enjoy the holidays because your right to murder babies is being transferred from the federal gov to your state?

Whoa there! Are you saying that now, on top of the legalized mass shootings, you guys also have a baby murdering problem? Please elaborate.

I know that the GOP for decades has opposed every attempt to make it easier for parents to take care of their babies, but murder? Wow, the GOP country looks more and more dysfunctional.

And transferring the power from federal to state means a 50-1 increase of government. How does that compute with the "less government means more freedom" mantra?



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Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

It seems like leftists are afraid that the USA's abortion tally might decline as a result of this.

I've often said that there are 3 groups of "leftists":
1. The power hungry
2. The Elitists
3. The Ignorant Elitist (wannabee status)

The ones we see screaming and gnashing their teeth are the Ignorant Elitists because they can't think for themselves and only do what their masters tell them.

The Elitists are pissed because the universe won't conform to their Narrative (i.e. their normal state).

The power hungry are the ones pushing the false Narrative to their ignorant drones because this marks a major setback for their power grab: naminly the Supreme Court returning to their job instead of trying to legislate.

More of these bad decisions are going to fall soon and the Elitists will continue with their "they are removing our rights" false Narrative. But most people are wise to this now and the only ones falling for it are the ignorant ones.


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The ones we see screaming and gnashing their teeth are the Ignorant Elitists
because they can't think for themselves and only do what their masters tell
them.

Hmmm... That sounds almost like the MAGA crowd, and how they (even at the highest GOP level) only listen to Trump and his faithful disciples on Fox News, NewsMax and QAnon.



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What is the world coming to when you can't enjoy the holidays because right to murder babies is being transferred from the federal gov to y state?

Whoa there! Are you saying that now, on top of the legalized mass shootings, you guys also have a baby murdering problem? Please elaborate.

It's not really a big deal. Just some leftists are angry because the US government will no longer guarantee abortion rights, and they're trying to encourage other Americans to be angry too. It's a pity-party and everyone's invited.

And transferring the power from federal to state means a 50-1
increase of government. How does that compute with the "less government means more freedom" mantra?

The change in US policy was made by the US Supreme Court. They're not
Democrats or Republicans, just judges of the highest court. The holiday change was suggested by a group of Democrats in an Arizona county, who were trying to attract other leftists to a protest. The protest is now over, and the DNC chapter who made the suggestion on their webpage has since deleted it and apologized for it.

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Hello Bj”rn,

What is the world coming to when you can't enjoy the holidays because

your

right to murder babies is being transferred from the federal gov to

your

state?

Whoa there! Are you saying that now, on top of the legalized mass shootings,
you guys also have a baby murdering problem? Please elaborate.

If a woman has a miscarriage, she is guilty of murder. That is life
in prison, with no parole. If she uses a coat-hanger to do it, that
is first degree murder, with the penalty of death.

I know that the GOP for decades has opposed every attempt to make it easier
for parents to take care of their babies, but murder?

Yes. We have laws for that. In Louisiana, the legislature passed
a law making it murder if a woman has a miscarriage. Last year, the
governor vetoed it. But that was before Roe v Wade was overturned.
This year, the governor allowed it to become law.

Wow, the GOP country looks more and more dysfunctional.

The governor of Louisiana is a Democrat. But both houses of the
state legislature are controlled by Republicans with a 2/3 majority.

Next year is an election year in Louisiana. The current governor
is term-limited, and thus leaving office. The front-runner for
governor is a Republican who is much farther right than Mussolini
ever was.

I would be doing myself a favor by moving to Italy.

And transferring the power from federal to state means a 50-1 increase of government.

Wouldn't change much, as Louisiana has always been differrent,
our laws still being based on the Code Napoleon.

How does that compute with the "less government means more freedom" mantra?

Worked for Napoleon Bonaparte, who crowned himself Emperor.

For Life,
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Hello Aaron,

The extremist SCOTUS is not really a court of justice, but a junta.
That is the first thing you need to understand.

What about the leftist activists like Ketanji & Sotomayor? They're part of a
conservative collective now?

They are not part of the 6-member junta. Therefore, their opinions
do not count. Nor are they counted.

I have no idea of what a "leftist" is, or might be. But whatever it
is, assuming such a creature exists, up until the 1880s abortions were
morally acceptable and legal, even with the Catholic Church's blessing
and approval of the procedure before 'quickening'. So why do you have
a problem with this?

I'm Catholic, yea, but my whole life can't revolve around church policy.

Is the pope Catholic? According to you, it makes no difference what
the pope believes, or what he says. Why is it that the word of Aaron
trumps the word of God? You do remember what Jesus told Peter -
"Whatsoever you bound on earth shall be bound on earth, as in heaven."

Death to evil doers, good health to babies.

What is the origin of evil? If God is good, then how did evil ever
come into being? Are you saying God's creation should be killed?

Just because Planned Parenthood provides abortion care (where legal)
for women does not mean it encourages abortions. Women's health care
is not all about providing abortions for those who want them. That
is another thing you need to understand.

Lee, have you been to Planned Parenthood?

Not as an individual needing services.

I've been there.

I doubt you any need for abortion care.

I used to think the same thing as you until I went there.

That's right. Planned Parenthood offers so much more than abortion
care for women. As you know, support for women's health is not just
for those who are pregnant. And not just for women who are young.

They encourage abortion like their paychecks depend on it.

Providing abortion care for women is just a small part of what they do.

Planned Parenthood is NOT some friendly place to go for free condoms and/or
prenatal vitamins;

The staff has always been friendly to all who enter their doors.
Even to the point of escorting them to their cars after receiving
services amidst throngs of protesters who are there for no other
purpose than to cause trouble.

it is a place to go to terminate pregnancies.

A place where *safe* abortion care can be provided, and more.

The doctors who work there don't make the big bucks by handing out condoms.

Condoms should be free for everyone, regardless of sex/gender.

At Planned Parenthood, Plan A is ABORT, and plan B is BIRTH. (I'm not joking.)

Safe abortion care should be available for all women, everywhere.
Not just at places such as Planned Parenthood. Other services should
also be provided, as women's health needs are not limited to abortion
care.

The tyranny on the right will all come crashing down at noon on
January 20, 2025 when Hillary Rodham Clinton takes the oath of office
as the 48th President of the United States. And what a wonderful
world it will be for all of us.

I wish Hillary had won in 2016. She's quite corrupt but she keeps it real a
lot better than Biden does and media would have kept her going for 2 terms.

Time to move forward, rather than living in the past. Everybody knows
the Trump administration was a disaster. Very few people want to return
to that.

The latest polls I have seen show Biden ahead of Trump, 48%-47%.
Do the math. Trump has already lost the popular vote twice, to both
Hillary Clinton in 2016 and to Joe Biden in 2020. Losing again to
Hillary Clinton would be icing on the cake, making him a three-time
loser.

For Life,
Lee

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More of these bad decisions are going to fall soon and the Elitists will continue with their "they are removing our rights" false Narrative. But most people are wise to this now and the only ones falling for it are
the ignorant ones.

It's as simple as that. They aren't geniuses, as they've demonstrated, but they're a one-trick pony just doing the same old routine over and over again (distract and perpetrate.)

"Conservatives are controlling womens' bodies!" is what they say after they've been doing it at least since 2020. The more they say that, the more I worry about "What are the *leftists* actually planning to do to *my* body in the
near future??"

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Lee Lofaso -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2022-07-05 23:12:

Whoa there! Are you saying that now, on top of the legalized mass
shootings, you guys also have a baby murdering problem? Please elaborate.

If a woman has a miscarriage, she is guilty of murder. That is life
in prison, with no parole. If she uses a coat-hanger to do it, that
is first degree murder, with the penalty of death.

But that's crazy. Murder means taking the life of a human being. A foetus does not become a human being until the naval cord is cut. Up till then, it's just an integral part of the woman's body, unable to sustain life on it's own. Exactly like e.g. a tumour -- is it murder, in crazy USA, to operate cancer too?

This crazy idea has all the hallmarks of the religious fanatics that ruled the world for two millennia. Kinda like when it was punishable by, often unimaginably painful, death to insult their god, a totally non-existent fantasy figure.



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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

"Conservatives are controlling womens' bodies!" is what they say after they've been doing it at least since 2020. The more they say that, the more I worry about "What are the *leftists* actually planning to do to *my* body in the near future??"

The same thing that they've been trying to do for decades now.

The whole socialist healthcare system was one attempt. The "supersized drinks are illegal" thing that they tried in NY a while back. The continued "vaccine" false Narrative.

But those are just to chip away at our rights. The ultimate goal has always been complete control over people.


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I'm Catholic, yea, but my whole life can't revolve around church poli

Is the pope Catholic? According to you, it makes no difference what
the pope believes, or what he says. Why is it that the word of Aaron trumps the word of God? You do remember what Jesus told Peter - "Whatsoever you bound on earth shall be bound on earth, as in heaven."

You said the Catholic Church "gave their blessing for abortion" a century ago, but the attitude inside the church has changed. I agree with what they're saying now, not with what you say they said in 1880. One rule that hasn't changed is "Thou shalt not kill."

Death to evil doers, good health to babies.

What is the origin of evil? If God is good, then how did evil ever
come into being? Are you saying God's creation should be killed?

Some of God's creations need to be killed to protect other more vulnerable creations, despite what the book of rules says.

I used to think the same thing as you until I went there.

That's right. Planned Parenthood offers so much more than abortion
care for women. As you know, support for women's health is not just
for those who are pregnant. And not just for women who are young.

No, they are there to abort babies and that's about it. If you go there and
you tell them that you're not going to abort your baby, then they treat you like a used car salesman treats you when you tell him you're not ready to buy.

They encourage abortion like their paychecks depend on it.

Providing abortion care for women is just a small part of what they do.

I'm an eye-witness. Do you think I make this stuff up?

The staff has always been friendly to all who enter their doors.
Even to the point of escorting them to their cars after receiving
services amidst throngs of protesters who are there for no other
purpose than to cause trouble.

You already said that you haven't been there. But now "the staff is always friendly?" They're not friendly to babies or to people who aren't there for
the main attraction.

Condoms should be free for everyone, regardless of sex/gender.

Why? That would really hurt your abortion tally!

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron L. <=-

"Conservatives are controlling womens' bodies!" is what they say after they've been doing it at least since 2020. The more they say that, the more I worry about "What are the *leftists* actually planning to do to *my* body in the near future??"

It's hard to understand how you can be so wrong about everything in a single paragraph. Though you didn't leave any examples, so it's hard to talk particulars.




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But that's crazy. Murder means taking the life of a human being. A foetus does not become a human being until the naval cord is cut. Up
till then, it's just an integral part of the woman's body, unable to sustain life on it's own. Exactly like e.g. a tumour -- is it murder, in crazy USA, to operate cancer too?

Some states allow the babies (tumors) to be murdered up until the day they're born (California, Virginia, New York.)

Did you know that sometimes snakes eat their own babies? But snakes are wonderful creatures, right?

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Bj”rn Felten wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

This crazy idea has all the hallmarks of the religious fanatics that ruled the world for two millennia. Kinda like when it was punishable
by, often unimaginably painful, death to insult their god, a totally non-existent fantasy figure.

I am pretty sure you can draw a direct line between the two.



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Aaron Thomas wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-

sustain life on it's own. Exactly like e.g. a tumour -- is it murder, in crazy USA, to operate cancer too?

Some states allow the babies (tumors) to be murdered up until the day they're born (California, Virginia, New York.)

That's not what we are talking about, and you know it, you just want to be conflate the issues. There's a big difference between abortion and late-term abortion. What we are talking about (and what the Supreme Court ruling was about) is abortion in general.

Did you know that sometimes snakes eat their own babies? But snakes are wonderful creatures, right?

Ask any snake handler and they'll say that snakes are absolutely wonderful creates.



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Ron L. wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

drinks are illegal" thing that they tried in NY a while back. The continued "vaccine" false Narrative.

Sorry, but the second that you refer to vaccination as a "false narrative" you lose *all* credibility.




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Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

That's right. Planned Parenthood offers so much more than abortion

No, they are there to abort babies and that's about it. If you go there and you tell them that you're not going to abort your baby, then they treat you like a used car salesman treats you when you tell him you're
not ready to buy.

Once again, you exhibit your general ignorance of these topics! I challenge you to go to three different Planned Parenthood locations and tell them that you are interested in contraception. If they even ask about abortion, then tell them that you are only interested in your wife/daughter/relative/friend receiving contraception, not abortion. Then report back with the results. 'cuz I can just about guarantee you that they will treat you in a professional, understanding manner and will make sure to answer all of your questions.

I'm an eye-witness. Do you think I make this stuff up?

Yes, especially since you offer no proof.

You already said that you haven't been there. But now "the staff is
always friendly?" They're not friendly to babies or to people who
aren't there for the main attraction.

I think that you are basing everything you are saying on those discredited "undercover" videos that one consevative shock video group (can't remember their name off-hand) released.

Condoms should be free for everyone, regardless of sex/gender.

Why? That would really hurt your abortion tally!

Ayup, you have absolutely no credibility dude. Or at least in the messages of yours I've read, there was nothing in them that I couldn't get out of a Fox News or OAN transcript.



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There's a big difference between abortion and late-term
abortion.

That difference is yet another matter, that those old, white male, taking away woman's freedom to make decisions about her own body, don't know anything about (or care about).

An early abortion is quite safe, a late ditto can be very dangerous, even fatal. Forcing women to use a cloth hanger rather than getting proper medical care can not be pro-life in any way, it's just an appeal to their MAGA idiot supporters.

"Do whatever it takes, no matter how immoral it is, as long as it keeps you in power" seems to be the only point on the GOP platform. Well, that and the old "keep stealing more and more money from the taxpayers and give to the 1% richest, our donors" of course.



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"Conservatives are controlling womens' bodies!" is what they say after they've
been doing it at least since 2020. The more they say that, the more I
worry
about "What are the *leftists* actually planning to do to *my* body in
the near future??"

A second human is in the body of a woman so there is controlling interest. However my body my choice should also apply for experimental vaccines the government mandates.

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Once again, you exhibit your general ignorance of these topics! I challenge you to go to three different Planned Parenthood locations and

I was there. I took my wife there when she was pregnant because we ignorantly thought that it was a place that would give us free prenatal advice. We were dead wrong. They said "Plan A is abortion & Plan B is birth. Which one do you want?" We said "B!" Then the lady opened up a phone book, opened it to the OBGYN section, and handed it to us.

This was at Planned Parenthood in Binghamton, NY. Maybe they do stuff differently in your town, but the one in Binghamton is no place for pro-lifers.

Go to three different ones?? For what?? Classical conditioning?? No thanks!!

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That difference is yet another matter, that those old, white male, taking away woman's freedom to make decisions about her own body, don't know anything about (or care about).

Old white guys like Clarence Thomas?

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"Conservatives are controlling womens' bodies!" is what they say after they've
been doing it at least since 2020. The more they say that, the more I worry
about "What are the *leftists* actually planning to do to *my* body in the near future??"

A second human is in the body of a woman so there is controlling
interest. However my body my choice should also apply for experimental vaccines the government mandates.

Thank you!

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Old white guys like Clarence Thomas?

A modern day Uncle Tom? Yes. I guess you have never heard about how he went against all the other SCOTUS clowns when it came to reveal the role his (white) wife played in the disgusting MAGA idiots' attempt to dismantle your so called democracy?

So, what "news" do you actually watch then? Is it all Tik Tok, FaceBook and Twitter?




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Old white guys like Clarence Thomas?

A modern day Uncle Tom? Yes. I guess you have never heard about how

Everything you say is very racist! Were you abused by white people when you were a kid?

role his (white) wife played in the disgusting MAGA idiots' attempt to dismantle your so called democracy?

I don't know how stuff is in Switzerland, but in the USA the spouse of the
USSC justice has no role in the court.

So, what "news" do you actually watch then? Is it all Tik Tok,
FaceBook and Twitter?

I watch the local/regional George Soros news. Each region of the USA has it's own localized George Soros news programs (some regions have 2 or more.) I watch George Soros WICZ News because they pack in slightly less BS than George Soros WBNG, but they both suck.

Where do you get your George Soros news from?

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Condoms should be free for everyone, regardless of sex/gender.

Why? That would really hurt your abortion tally!

Ayup, you have absolutely no credibility dude. Or at least in the messages of yours I've read, there was nothing in them that I couldn't get out of a Fox News or OAN transcript.

If he had been responding to something you said in that manner, I would
tend to agree. Most anyone else, for that matter. Considering who he was responding to, I think I would have to give Aaron that one.


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I don't know how stuff is in Switzerland,

So, what "news" do you actually watch then? Is it all Tik Tok,
FaceBook and Twitter?

I watch the local/regional George Soros news.

Thank you. That explains how you over and over again can display such astonishing ignorance about things that happen outside of your little county (without an R).

Like for instance, Switzerland and Sweden are two totally (in any way comparable) countries.



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Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

Once again, you exhibit your general ignorance of these topics! I challenge you to go to three different Planned Parenthood locations and

Go to three different ones?? For what?? Classical conditioning?? No thanks!!

Sample size. You are going off of a sample size of one, which basically means that you have no frame of reference. It's the same as going to a Mariott for a night, having a bad experience, and then saying that all Marriott hotels are horrible.

My suggestion to go to three different locations was a comment on the fact that you don't have a big enough sample size to comment on the entire organization. You can comment on a PP office in Binghamton, NY.


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A classic indeed.


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Sample size. You are going off of a sample size of one, which basically means that you have no frame of reference. It's the same as going to a Mariott for a night, having a bad experience, and then saying that all Marriott hotels are horrible.

It wasn't a bad experience. They are there to offer abortions, but once in a while a dummy like me will wander in asking for something that they don't specialize in. It's like going to Monroe for body work (they just do mufflers)

Soros Fund Management donates about $5.5 million to Planned Parenthood each year. He's (George) an outspoken advocate of population control. Geoege ain't gonna be happy when he hears you talk about "The Planned Parenthood in my neighborhood helps women who wish to give birth." He'll be more pleased when
he hears about my experience at the place. (The devil will be happier too.)

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Soros Fund Management donates about $5.5 million to Planned Parenthood each year. He's (George) an outspoken advocate of population control. Geoege ain't gonna be happy when he hears you talk about "The Planned Parenthood in my neighborhood helps women who wish to give birth." He'll be more pleased when he hears about my experience at the place. (The devil will be happier too.)

They receive money from the government that is supposed to *only* go
towards helping women who "wish to give birth," with things like prenatal
care, or that already have. If you firmly believe that the PP in your area
is not performing this task, it might have been a good idea to report it to
PP.


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They receive money from the government that is supposed to *only* go towards helping women who "wish to give birth," with things like prenatal care, or that already have. If you firmly believe that the PP in your area is not performing this task, it might have been a good idea to
report it to PP.

Technically they helped me (pro-life dad) by letting us use their phone book. You can't just walk into any establishment and demand to use their phone book.

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Mike Powell wrote to Bex <=-

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A classic indeed.

Yet another thing I like about you, sir. :)



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Aaron Thomas wrote to Bex <=-

It wasn't a bad experience. They are there to offer abortions, but once
in a while a dummy like me will wander in asking for something that
they don't specialize in. It's like going to Monroe for body work (they just do mufflers)

You are exactly *wrong* about Planned Parenthood. They offer and specialize in many services, including:

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Most of the 2.4 million patients who visit Planned Parenthood health centers annually seek education, resources and preventive services ƒ€” including birth control and sex education, STD testing and treatment, and screenings for cervical, breast, and other cancers. Planned Parenthood is also proud to provide abortion and counseling at many health center locations across the country. Attentive physicians, nurse practitioners, and other staff take time to discuss each individual's needs and concerns ƒ€” offering patients an honest, supportive, non-judgmental space to ask questions and make informed decisions about their bodies and their futures.
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https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/mission

Soros Fund Management donates about $5.5 million to Planned Parenthood each year. He's (George) an outspoken advocate of population control. Geoege ain't gonna be happy when he hears you talk about "The Planned

Why do you have such a fascination with George Soros? It's at an unhealthy level. Did he insult your mother or something?

He'll be more pleased when he hears about my experience at the place.
(The devil will be happier too.)

I'd imagine Zeus and Maui might have something to say? Howzabout the Yeti?



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Technically they helped me (pro-life dad) by letting us use their phone book. You can't just walk into any establishment and demand to use their phone book.

These days, you might be lucky if they even had one!


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A classic indeed.

Yet another thing I like about you, sir. :)

That is something I have to credit an ex-g/f for. I had not ever seen it.
She loved the movie so I was introduced. :)


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You are exactly *wrong* about Planned Parenthood. They offer and specialize in many services, including:

Thanks for that list of stuff that they're supposedly supposed to offer. It sounds like a front for panhandling. "We do STD testing so every dollar you donate helps prevent someone's junk from falling off, and so the money doesn't necessarily fund an abortion."

Why do you have such a fascination with George Soros? It's at an
unhealthy level. Did he insult your mother or something?

I honestly appreciate your sense of humor; I often ask liberals if they were molested by Republican scoutmasters when they were kids. (They NEVER say no,
so yea, that means that they totally were, and it's sad.)

I'm fascinated with George's money. He bankrolled Biden & Obama's campaigns.
If that's not terrible enough, he also helped elect Andrew Cuomo, Gavin
Newsom, Chesa Boudin, George Gascon, and Alvin Bragg. ("So what?") Those guys are destroying America. Do you live in a gated community? If you do, then I
get why you're asking this question.

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I'm fascinated with George's money. He bankrolled Biden & Obama's campaigns. If that's not terrible enough, he also helped elect Andrew Cuomo, Gavin Newsom, Chesa Boudin, George Gascon, and Alvin Bragg. ("So what?") Those guys are destroying America. Do you live in a gated community? If you do, then I get why you're asking this question.

Boudin is not destroying America any more. His policies even rubbed the
more left-leaning Bay Area wrong enough that they recalled him. From what
I understand (I don't live there and only see national news stories), he
was too soft on criminals even for their liking. IIRC, Gascon is also no longer in office, or at least is no longer a DA.

Speaking of... I saw an article the other day about a political candidate
who was campaigning in your home state. He was giving a speech denouncing
the cashless bail system that the state currently has. Someone jumped on stage, told him his time was up/over, and tried to stab him. The attacker
was subdued without seriously injuring anyone.

The candidate predicted afterwards that they person would likely be charged
and then immediately released. He was charged, with a felony, and was
released into his own custody. The articles made it sound like he was
released without any bail, without actually saying so, but I wondered if
maybe your local news reported a bail amount?

Sounded odd that a person charged with a felony would be released without
bail.


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Boudin is not destroying America any more. His policies even rubbed the more left-leaning Bay Area wrong enough that they recalled him. From

Right, but surely President Soros will install replacements ASAP.

and was released into his own custody. The articles made it sound like
he was released without any bail, without actually saying so, but I wondered if maybe your local news reported a bail amount?

Lee Zeldin (R) is the guy who was attacked. He's our Republican candidate running against incumbent Kathy Hochul (D.) Fox News said he was released on "cashless bail" and "on his own recognizance." ($0 bail I assume.)

The local news here doesn't tell any extra details. (They suck.)

A while back, The Jeffster was arguing that "people charged with violent felonies aren't eligible for cashless bail," but 2nd degree attempted assault seems kinda violent to me. NY's legal definition for "violent" is much different from Merriam Webster's definition.

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Boudin is not destroying America any more. His policies even rubbed the more left-leaning Bay Area wrong enough that they recalled him. From

Right, but surely President Soros will install replacements ASAP.

The young lady who has been appointed to complete his term resigned from
his administration because she was not happy with his overly lax stance on crime. She does still consider herself a progressive DA, though, but it
sounds like she is more concerned with keeping hardened criminals behind
bars. Time will tell.

Lee Zeldin (R) is the guy who was attacked. He's our Republican candidate running against incumbent Kathy Hochul (D.) Fox News said he was released on "cashless bail" and "on his own recognizance." ($0 bail I assume.)

The local news here doesn't tell any extra details. (They suck.)

Shoot, I was hoping to get a more local view on it. The article I read had similar wording.

A while back, The Jeffster was arguing that "people charged with violent felonies aren't eligible for cashless bail," but 2nd degree attempted assault seems kinda violent to me. NY's legal definition for "violent" is much different from Merriam Webster's definition.

They probably have to have a 1st degree charge. If he had not been
subdued, it would have been more than attempted assault. Maybe the fact
that he certainly intended to assault/wound/kill the candidate, but was
unable to complete his mission, is what got him consiered non-violent?

I do not agree with that reasoning but it is about the only way I would see
his attempt as non-violent.

I was actually remembering that conversation between you and Jeff T when I
was reading the article.


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They probably have to have a 1st degree charge. If he had not been subdued, it would have been more than attempted assault. Maybe the fact that he certainly intended to assault/wound/kill the candidate, but was unable to complete his mission, is what got him consiered non-violent?

It seems like that is the logic, but there are other crimes that go beyond "attempt" and still end up with the suspect getting out of jail, like the case of someone strangling a woman in Johnson City, NY. He "strangled" her, but she survived. So in that case, nothing "violent" occurred.

In Lee Zeldin's case, the guy intended to attack Zeldin with a sharp object, and Zeldin had to restrain the guy to prevent a puncture from occurring, but since Zeldin didn't bleed to death, there's nothing "violent" about it.

Update: I read that the suspect was re-arrested by federal police for "assault on a member of congress" or something like that. (Zeldin's currently a congressman but running for NY governor.) The federal government is the big hero here, but only because it was a member of congress.

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Hello Aaron,

[..]

In Lee Zeldin's case, the guy intended to attack Zeldin with a sharp object,
and Zeldin had to restrain the guy to prevent a puncture from occurring, but
since Zeldin didn't bleed to death, there's nothing "violent" about it.

The guy actually attacked Zelden with a sharp object.
Do get your facts straight.

Attempting to stab someone is a violent attack.
It is called attempted murder.
Fortunately, the attacker did not succeed in his endeavor.
And is now in custody, awaiting his fate.

For Life,
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They probably have to have a 1st degree charge. If he had not been subdued, it would have been more than attempted assault. Maybe the fact that he certainly intended to assault/wound/kill the candidate, but was unable to complete his mission, is what got him consiered non-violent?

It seems like that is the logic, but there are other crimes that go beyond "attempt" and still end up with the suspect getting out of jail, like the case
of someone strangling a woman in Johnson City, NY. He "strangled" her, but she
survived. So in that case, nothing "violent" occurred.

Sounds like in order for it to be violent, they actually have to be
successful in killing the person, and not just attempting to. To me, attempting to is violent enough. They should not have to be successful in order to be considered violent. If that is really the case, that is a
crock of crap.

Update: I read that the suspect was re-arrested by federal police for "assault
on a member of congress" or something like that. (Zeldin's currently a congressman but running for NY governor.) The federal government is the big hero here, but only because it was a member of congress.

Good on the feds for once! Poo-poo on NY State laws that let a violent
felon back out without any apparent bail.


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In Lee Zeldin's case, the guy intended to attack Zeldin with a sharp object,
and Zeldin had to restrain the guy to prevent a puncture from occurri but
since Zeldin didn't bleed to death, there's nothing "violent" about i

The guy actually attacked Zelden with a sharp object.
Do get your facts straight.

You're the one who don't have the facts straight. He had a sharp object. He tried to attack Zeldin with it, but Zeldin thwarted the attack by restraining the man. Go suck on some Swedish meatballs!

Fortunately, the attacker did not succeed in his endeavor.
And is now in custody, awaiting his fate.

Yea, but you're leaving out 1/2 of the story. He had already gone to jail for the attack, but the court didn't order him to be held without bail, so he was released on his own recognizance. (Why do I have to repeat myself? Does
George Soros not let you use contact solution?) And then he was re-arrested by federal officers and now he's in federal custody, where there is no insane law that will spring him free.

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Hello Aaron,

In Lee Zeldin's case, the guy intended to attack Zeldin with a

sharp

object,
and Zeldin had to restrain the guy to prevent a puncture from

occurri

but
since Zeldin didn't bleed to death, there's nothing "violent"

about i

The guy actually attacked Zelden with a sharp object.
Do get your facts straight.

You're the one who don't have the facts straight. He had a sharp object. He
tried to attack Zeldin with it, but Zeldin thwarted the attack by restraining
the man. Go suck on some Swedish meatballs!

David Jakubonis, age 43, was arrested and charged with a dangerous
weapon, described as a self-defense keychain. In addition to state
charges filed (attempted assault in the second degree), he is also
facing a felony assault charge (class E, the least serious class
of felony).

Fortunately, the attacker did not succeed in his endeavor.
And is now in custody, awaiting his fate.

Yea, but you're leaving out 1/2 of the story.

The guy was drunk at the time and did know know or recognize who
the person he attacked was.

He had already gone to jail for the attack, but the court didn't order him to be held without bail, so he was released on his own recognizance.

NY has a cashless bail program. Zeldin does not like that, but
them's the breaks.

(Why do I have to repeat myself? Does George Soros not let you use contact solution?)

Jakubonis will have his day in court. I am sure his shrink will
certify him as nuts and all charges will be dropped.

And then he was re-arrested by federal officers and now he's in federal custody, where there is no insane law that will spring him free.

Who says he is in federal custody? He is facing both state and
federal charges, but that does not mean he is in jail.

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Who says he is in federal custody? He is facing both state and
federal charges, but that does not mean he is in jail.

Whether it was cashless or not, he was released on his own recognizance under NY's non-violent bail reform law. Had he committed a "violent crime," then things may have been different for him.

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Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

That is something I have to credit an ex-g/f for. I had not ever seen
it. She loved the movie so I was introduced. :)

How in the world did you let her get away? She sounds AWESOME!


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Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

That is something I have to credit an ex-g/f for. I had not ever seen it. She loved the movie so I was introduced. :)

How in the world did you let her get away? She sounds AWESOME!

Oh, I didn't let her. She was pretty determined. :)


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

what?") Those guys are destroying America. Do you live in a gated community? If you do, then I get why you're asking this question.

I do not live in a gated community. I actually was raised in a household that included my grandmother, my grandfather, my mother and three uncles. (If you guessed that I am Hispanic, then you got it in one. <grin>) My grampa died when
I was 9 and my mom became the sole provider for the six of us.

My grandpa always said "Republicans only help rich people, they don't care about
us." I've seeny nothing in the past 40 years that makes me think he was wrong.

I've worked my way up from those humble beginnings. I went to college, earned a Bachelor and Masters degree in Computer Science, and have put together a pretty good career. My spouse I are almost finished raising three kids (18, 16 and 14). We live in an ordinary house in the suburbs. We are firmly middle class.

Over my 50+ years, I've had times where I didn't have any food to eat for a couple of days. I made certain my kids don't have to experience that. Our family
is never hungry, we always have money to make our mortgage payment. We had to take out a PLUS loan to send our oldest to college this fall.

In other words, I've lived in a number of economic categories, from below the poverty line to the middle class. And I still have not seen anything that disproves my grandfather's belief.

The Republican party doesn't care about the poor. (I would add the middle class to that, too.) The Republican party cares about the rich.


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Rebecca Marie wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

My grandpa always said "Republicans only help rich people, they don't
care about us."

Your grandpa was a moron who couldn't see past the propaganda.

I've seeny nothing in the past 40 years that makes me think he was
wrong.

And the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

I've worked my way up from those humble beginnings. I went to college, earned a Bachelor and Masters degree in Computer Science, and have put together a pretty good career. My spouse I are almost finished raising three kids (18, 16 and 14). We live in an ordinary house in the
suburbs. We are firmly middle class.

And you couldn't see the roadblocks that the Left put in front of you for the last 40 years?

I'm not very different. Humble beginnings, went to college for a bachelor's in Computer Science. Nearing the 40 year mark in my career. Ordinary condo (paid for now) and my wife and I are firmly middle class.

My dad was a teacher - and I learned a good deal about the workings of our school system. That was before they turned up the Woke to 100%.

My mom was a beautician and worked long hours on her feet to provide. Her job made more than my dad's.

Both of them managed money well (unlike yours it seems because we never went hungry) and taught us kids how to manage money.

Over my 50+ years, I've had times where I didn't have any food to eat
for a couple of days.

So? Sounds like you are trying to make yourself out to be a "victim".

Victimhood is not a status symbol outside the Ignorant Elitists.

Our family is never hungry,

Fact: Hunger is not a problem in the U.S. If anyone goes hungry today, it's their own decision.

Of course, that's changing now that the Socialists are trying to take over.

In other words, I've lived in a number of economic categories, from
below the poverty line to the middle class.

Just like every one else in the country. Unless you want to keep pushing the false Narrative that people who are poor stay poor and people who are rich have always been - and will be - rich.

And I still have not seen anything that disproves my grandfather's belief.

The term is "willfully ignorant".

The Republican party doesn't care about the poor. (I would add the
middle class to that, too.) The Republican party cares about the rich.

You really need to open your eyes.

Look at your "Representatives" in gov't. They are all rich.
Look at EVERY Democrat policy that's been put in place: Hurts the poor, benefits the rich.

Of course, you will have to actually look to see who's policy that was. When itstarts, it's a Democrat policy. But if it starts to look bad, the Propaganda Ministry pushes a Narrative that it was really the Republican's who put it there. And get rid of a bad policy? Oh, the Propaganda Ministry goes into over time to push the false Narrative about how the "Republicans are hurting the poor".

But opening your eyes would show you that you are wrong and your fragile Elitist ego would be crushed.


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In other words, I've lived in a number of economic categories, from below the poverty line to the middle class. And I still have not seen anything that disproves my grandfather's belief.

The Republican party doesn't care about the poor. (I would add the middle clas
to that, too.) The Republican party cares about the rich.

But if you really look, that is true of politicians in general, especially
the national level ones. I have worked in government for 20+ years. Both sides have their networks of crony friends that they bring in
whenever they take over, who have gotten rich off of the taxpayers. In my state, as the Democrats are usually the ones in charge, their network is
pretty well established... almost always the same faces, no matter how good
or bad they are at their job.

The best head of state, and worst, that I've worked for were ironically (or not!) the two Republicans.

Back to the national level, you should not have to look any further than
the Pelosis to see how knowledge of what the government is up to helps make their friends and family members rich.


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Hello Rebecca,

what?") Those guys are destroying America. Do you live in a gated
community? If you do, then I get why you're asking this question.

I do not live in a gated community. I actually was raised in a household that
included my grandmother, my grandfather, my mother and three uncles. (If you
guessed that I am Hispanic, then you got it in one. <grin>) My grampa died
when I was 9 and my mom became the sole provider for the six of us.

A provider, and a survivor. A helluva combination.

My grandpa always said "Republicans only help rich people, they don't care about us." I've seeny nothing in the past 40 years that makes me think he was wrong.

Did you believe him at the time? Or did you think it was just one of
his stories, like a fairy tale some grandparents tell their grandkids
at bedtime?

I've worked my way up from those humble beginnings. I went to college, earned a Bachelor and Masters degree in Computer Science, and have put together a pretty good career. My spouse I are almost finished raising three kids (18, 16 1and 4). We live in an ordinary house in the suburbs. We
are firmly middle class.

Congratulations on becoming one of the few who succeeded in getting
at least out of the dregs, no matter how many favors asked or granted.

Over my 50+ years, I've had times where I didn't have any food to eat for a
couple of days. I made certain my kids don't have to experience that. Our family is never hungry, we always have money to make our mortgage payment. We thad to ake out a PLUS loan to send our oldest to college this fall.

Oh, c'mon. Get real. Like most other folks in this great country of
ours you are one paycheck away from being homeless. But thank goodness
for SNAP, Section 8 housing, social security, medicare, expanded
medicaid, and all that other good stuff, you and your family can make
it.

In other words, I've lived in a number of economic categories, from below the
poverty line to the middle class. And I still have not seen anything that disproves my grandfather's belief.

Relax. Things are looking up. Roe v Wade has been overturned. Now
it is a crime for women to be pregnant. Along with her health care
provider. But only if they get rid of the baby. Whether on purpose,
or by having a miscarriage. After all, abortion is murder.

The Republican party doesn't care about the poor. (I would add the middle class to that, too.) The Republican party cares about the rich.

You don't really mean that. The Republican Party are the Owners.
They have a vested interest in human labor. That is what they own.

How to make a profit from that human labor is what all Owners seek.
And then to make more profit. And more. And more. And more. See how
that works? Buy low. Sell high.

This country was founded by White Supremacists, so that should come
as no surprise. Just read the US Constitution, and it is obvious. But
how many folks have actually read it, and given the words written any
thought?

The Framers of the Constitution were all white men of privilege, with
each and every one of them having a vested interest in protecting their
own property, which included real people in bondage. For fifty of the
first sixty years of our Republic, twelve presidents owned slaves as
part of their property. And what did "The Great Emancipator" Abraham
Lincoln do about it? Nothing.

Blacks were not recognized as human until after Lincoln was dead and
buried, with the 13th Amendment having been passed and ratified, along
with the 14th Amendment and the 15th Amendment. Took a few more decades
before women were finally granted the right to vote - by the 19th
Amendment.

I find it both comical, and truly sad, that before every sporting
contest a song is sung (or played) in honor of one of the most famous
white racists of all time. Ending his first stanza with a question.

Oh. Maybe you forgot. Or didn't listen very hard. So here's a reminder.

A White Supremacist to the core, and a lawyer at that. Just listen to
the last line of the first stanza of his famous poem, set to the music
of a British drinking song -

"O'er the land of the free, and the home of the brave?"

Now, if you want the answer to Francis Scott Key's question,
please read his third stanza. It is truly sickening, frightening
and disgusting.

And yet, we stand at attention, facing the flag, and proudly sing it.
What patriotic sons of bitches white folks can be. And suckers folks of
other races can be, especially those who are Black.

Today's Republicans are even worse than yesterday's Republicans.
There are no more John McCains, as those folks disappeared with his
death, to the glee of Donald J. Trump.

Well, Liz Cheney might be an exception. But her Republican colleagues
are set to show her the door very soon. And that other Republican on
the J6 Select Committee has already said he has had enough, and will
be walking out on his own.

So that is what we have today. The "Owners" (Republicans) and those
who are owned (everybody else).

For Life,
Lee

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My grandpa always said "Republicans only help rich people, they don't
care about
us." I've seeny nothing in the past 40 years that makes me think he was wrong.

I appreciate your background story, but "seeing nothing" isn't how I see things. My grandparents were Democrats too. They had a farm, so they said "Democrats help farmers." Looking back, it sounds more like "Hot water burn baby, hot water bad!"

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