Are you aware that the 1/6 Committee's first of 6 hearings will be held tomorrow (Thursday, June 9) at 8pm Eastern?

Are you aware that the first hearing will be aired on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC,
and CNN (but not Fox News)?

I'm just curious how much of the news that Fox News doesn't report on makes
it your way.

Jeff.

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Are you aware that the first hearing will be aired on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN (but not Fox News)?

I'm just curious how much of the news that Fox News doesn't report on makes it your way.

They'll report on it, they're just not airing it.

Fox News viewers don't want to watch every moment of that crap. It's just more Trump bashing, and it's getting old. Conservatives are annoyed that the senate doesn't do more to protect the American people from violence, and that they do nothing about Biden's humanitarian crisis at the border. If they would fix those 2 problems, then we'd leisurely watch more witch hunt.

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On 08 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Are you aware that the first hearing will be aired on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN (but not Fox News)?
I'm just curious how much of the news that Fox News doesn't report on makes it your way.

They'll report on it, they're just not airing it.

That wasn't the question. The question was, did you know that it was
occurring?

Fox News viewers don't want to watch every moment of that crap.

And Fox News knows this. After they were the first to call Arizona for Biden, their viewership and ratings plummeted. Nevermind that they made the correct call; their sin was telling their viewers something they didn't want to hear.

Fox News has a unique audience: They don't want to know what's really going
on; they want their news to tell them what they want to hear.

It's
just more Trump bashing, and it's getting old.

It's an investigation into an insurrection and attempted coup. If Trump was involved, then Trump was involved.

Conservatives are annoyed
that the senate doesn't do more to protect the American people from violence,

The Senate is refusing to pass any effective gun control laws; what more
could you ask for?

and that they do nothing about Biden's humanitarian crisis at
the border.

Have you tried "thoughts & prayers?" It seems to be working spectacularly for mass shootings.

If they would fix those 2 problems, then we'd leisurely
watch more witch hunt.

You can't hold more than two thoughts in your brain at once?

And there's been far too much evidence found for it to be a mere witch hunt.

The US Capitol was attacked by conservatives angry that they'd lost an election. Is that acceptable to you? Is this the new norm? Is this what's supposed to happen from now on when a conservative presidential candidate loses?

Nevermind that the reason stated by the conservatives for the loss -- widespread voter fraud -- has absolutely zero evidence supporting it even
now, a year and a half later.

Jeff.

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They'll report on it, they're just not airing it.

That wasn't the question. The question was, did you know that it was occurring?

No, I wasn't up to date about the committee hearings, and I'm still not.

Fox News has a unique audience: They don't want to know what's really going on; they want their news to tell them what they want to hear.

That's how all the news channels are. It's business before information.

It's an investigation into an insurrection and attempted coup. If Trump was involved, then Trump was involved.

The group of people I call the "collective" (media, democrats, celebrities, billionaires) are still up to their old tricks. They're scared of a conservative takeover, so they won't let the dust settle until after another Joe victory. We'll know as much about the insurrection after this is over as
we do now.

The Senate is refusing to pass any effective gun control laws; what more could you ask for?

Gun control laws won't help while we have an open border. Anything Americans need (heroin, fentanyl, slaves, guns) can travel here, as long as there's a demand for it.

How about metal detector laws? Those are the kind of laws I'd like to see worked on immediately. School safety laws, instead of "disarm honest Americans while dishonest Americans will buy from the black market."

The US Capitol was attacked by conservatives angry that they'd lost an election. Is that acceptable to you? Is this the new norm? Is this what's supposed to happen from now on when a conservative presidential candidate loses?

They were already arrested. Give them the chair if you want.

Nevermind that the reason stated by the conservatives for the loss -- widespread voter fraud -- has absolutely zero evidence supporting it even now, a year and a half later.

That was stated by Trump, not by conservatives.

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On 09 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

They'll report on it, they're just not airing it.

That wasn't the question. The question was, did you know that it was occurring?

No, I wasn't up to date about the committee hearings, and I'm still not.

Thanks. I suspected as much.

Fox News has a unique audience: They don't want to know what's really going on; they want their news to tell them what they want to hear.

That's how all the news channels are. It's business before information.

Actually, no it's not.

It's an investigation into an insurrection and attempted coup. If Tru was involved, then Trump was involved.

The group of people I call the "collective" (media, democrats, celebrities, billionaires) are still up to their old tricks. They're scared of a conservative takeover, so they won't let the dust settle
until after another Joe victory.

You're wrong. It's an investigation into an insurrection and attempted coup.

We'll know as much about the
insurrection after this is over as we do now.

As someone who actually watched the first hearing, I disagree. Also, much of what you think you know is false, if it came from Fox News or Republicans (including Trump).

The Senate is refusing to pass any effective gun control laws; what m could you ask for?

Gun control laws won't help while we have an open border. Anything Americans need (heroin, fentanyl, slaves, guns) can travel here, as long as there's a demand for it.

The border, which is not "open," has nothing to do with mass shootings.

How about metal detector laws? Those are the kind of laws I'd like to see worked on immediately. School safety laws, instead of "disarm honest Americans while dishonest Americans will buy from the black market."

Why do you jump straight to disarmament? There are plenty of proposed laws
that don't involve mass disarmament. To be fair, increased mentalhealth services, which many Republicans claim to support, would result in disarmament of those honest Americans deemed incapable of responsibly owning weapons,
would it not?

The US Capitol was attacked by conservatives angry that they'd lost a election. Is that acceptable to you? Is this the new norm? Is this wh supposed to happen from now on when a conservative presidential candi loses?

They were already arrested. Give them the chair if you want.

It should never have happened in the first place. They were misled by Trump's lies about the election.

Nevermind that the reason stated by the conservatives for the loss -- widespread voter fraud -- has absolutely zero evidence supporting it now, a year and a half later.

That was stated by Trump, not by conservatives.

There were plenty of conservatives who went along with it, and still do.

Jeff.

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They'll report on it, they're just not airing it.

That wasn't the question. The question was, did you know that it was occurring?

No, I wasn't up to date about the committee hearings, and I'm still not.

The question should be "did we care?"

I watched The Andy Griffith Show on Me TV at 8pm. Opie had to deal with a
new kid/bully that was getting his friends in trouble. It was the famous Barney Fife "Nip it in the Bud!" episode.

At 8:30pm, I went to bed so I could get up and start my work day on time.

I also didn't watch any of the Bill Clinton circus whenever it was on TV.
I figure the local news will give me the jist of it.

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On 10 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

They'll report on it, they're just not airing it.

That wasn't the question. The question was, did you know that it wa occurring?

No, I wasn't up to date about the committee hearings, and I'm still not.

The question should be "did we care?"

If you care about your country and your democracy, which I presume you do
since you're posting in this echo, then yes, you should have cared.

I watched The Andy Griffith Show on Me TV at 8pm. Opie had to deal with
a new kid/bully that was getting his friends in trouble. It was the famous Barney Fife "Nip it in the Bud!" episode.

Or you could just stick your head in the sand.

At 8:30pm, I went to bed so I could get up and start my work day on time.

It's still widely available for viewing on the internet.

Jeff.

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On 06-09-22 19:57, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Question for Fox News <=-

No, I wasn't up to date about the committee hearings, and I'm still
not.

Fox News has a unique audience: They don't want to know what's really going on; they want their news to tell them what they want to hear.

That's how all the news channels are. It's business before
information.

Certainly not all of the time.

It's an investigation into an insurrection and attempted coup. If Trump was involved, then Trump was involved.

The group of people I call the "collective" (media, democrats, celebrities, billionaires) are still up to their old tricks. They're scared of a conservative takeover, so they won't let the dust settle
until after another Joe victory. We'll know as much about the insurrection after this is over as we do now.

I know more about the insurrection now after the first public hearing
than I knew yesterday.

The US Capitol was attacked by conservatives angry that they'd lost an election. Is that acceptable to you? Is this the new norm? Is this what's supposed to happen from now on when a conservative presidential candidate loses?

They were already arrested. Give them the chair if you want.

Not all of them have yet been arrested.

Nevermind that the reason stated by the conservatives for the loss -- widespread voter fraud -- has absolutely zero evidence supporting it even now, a year and a half later.

That was stated by Trump, not by conservatives.

It was stated by Trump, who is still the leader of a large portion of
the right wing conseratives, and they believed him and followed his
order to go to the Capital.

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You're wrong. It's an investigation into an insurrection and attempted coup.

If they're able to put Trump in jail, do you think that will be enough fuel
for the media to distract everyone from Joe's failures into November?

As someone who actually watched the first hearing, I disagree. Also,
much of what you think you know is false, if it came from Fox News or Republicans (including Trump).

Fox News is leftism in disguise.

Americans need (heroin, fentanyl, slaves, guns) can travel here, as l as there's a demand for it.

The border, which is not "open," has nothing to do with mass shootings.

No, but the border is a security conflict that will put illegalized assault weapons into the hands of criminals only, especially if the bill is signed. Lawful gun owners will be outgunned by criminals.

Why do you jump straight to disarmament? There are plenty of proposed
laws that don't involve mass disarmament. To be fair, increased

I'm not jumping to disarmament, but the House is.

Heroin kills people. Maybe we should make a law against heroin posession?
Would that fix it?

mentalhealth services, which many Republicans claim to support, would result in disarmament of those honest Americans deemed incapable of responsibly owning weapons, would it not?

No, because not everyone is having a mental health assessment done. Besides, a doctor can't accurately predict if a patient is going to hurt someone, but metal detectors, puffer machines, and body scanners CAN make those predictions.

They were already arrested. Give them the chair if you want.

It should never have happened in the first place. They were misled by Trump's lies about the election.

Everyone gets misled by lies, but that doesn't mean it's ok to break the law. Biden told you that "white people are the biggest threat to homeland
security," so armed with that advice, if you shoot a bunch of white people,
you can just say "I did it because Biden misled me.."

That was stated by Trump, not by conservatives.

There were plenty of conservatives who went along with it, and still do.

Is that what your people are trying to fix? Other people's opinions about the election? It's time to move on.

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It was stated by Trump, who is still the leader of a large portion of
the right wing conseratives, and they believed him and followed his
order to go to the Capital.

And the ones that actually stormed and went into the Capital disobeyed his order to be peaceful.


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No, I wasn't up to date about the committee hearings, and I'm still not.

The question should be "did we care?"

I can sense that the media (and their delegates) want us to care, and they
want us to watch the coverage. Surely Schiff and the others will use the opportunity to create a presentation for the voters at home.

All this leftist devotion to Trump is going to prove useless if we elect Ron Desantis in 2024.

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until after another Joe victory. We'll know as much about the insurrection after this is over as we do now.

I know more about the insurrection now after the first public hearing
than I knew yesterday.

Have they addressed an issue of Nancy Pelosi reducing security on the day of the attack?

Nevermind that the reason stated by the conservatives for the loss -- widespread voter fraud -- has absolutely zero evidence supporting it now, a year and a half later.

That was stated by Trump, not by conservatives.

It was stated by Trump, who is still the leader of a large portion of
the right wing conseratives, and they believed him and followed his
order to go to the Capital.

George Soros is the leader of a large population of leftists, and he said that he wants criminals to be out of jail, but it would be a stretch for me to declare that Georgie is the cause of the current crime crisis that we're all dealing with.

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On 10 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

You're wrong. It's an investigation into an insurrection and attempte coup.

If they're able to put Trump in jail, do you think that will be enough fuel for the media to distract everyone from Joe's failures into
November?

First of all, the January 6 committee does not have the power to put Trump in jail. Secondly, it's not a distraction; most people can deal with multiple things at the same time. Thirdly, Biden is not on the ballot in November.

As someone who actually watched the first hearing, I disagree. Also, much of what you think you know is false, if it came from Fox News or Republicans (including Trump).

Fox News is leftism in disguise.

Only from a far-right perspective, where everything that's not far-right is "leftist."

Americans need (heroin, fentanyl, slaves, guns) can travel here, as there's a demand for it.

The border, which is not "open," has nothing to do with mass shooting

No, but the border is a security conflict that will put illegalized assault weapons into the hands of criminals only, especially if the bill is signed. Lawful gun owners will be outgunned by criminals.

So you're saying that assault weapons outclass any other type of legal
firearm? What happened to the argument that they're just like any other semi-automatice rifle?

Why do you jump straight to disarmament? There are plenty of proposed laws that don't involve mass disarmament. To be fair, increased

I'm not jumping to disarmament, but the House is.

No, they're not.

Heroin kills people. Maybe we should make a law against heroin posession? Would that fix it?

It helps.

mentalhealth services, which many Republicans claim to support, would result in disarmament of those honest Americans deemed incapable of responsibly owning weapons, would it not?

No, because not everyone is having a mental health assessment done. Besides, a doctor can't accurately predict if a patient is going to hurt someone, but metal detectors, puffer machines, and body scanners CAN
make those predictions.

Using your own logic, those machines can't predict if a person is going to
hurt someone because not everyone is walking through them. People only have
to walk through them in places where they're set up.

And what do you propose should happen if one of the machines detects a
firearm? Certainly not disarming the person, right?

They were already arrested. Give them the chair if you want.

It should never have happened in the first place. They were misled by Trump's lies about the election.

Everyone gets misled by lies, but that doesn't mean it's ok to break the law. Biden told you that "white people are the biggest threat to homeland security," so armed with that advice, if you shoot a bunch of white people, you can just say "I did it because Biden misled me.."

Bullshit, Biden never said that. You're equating white people with white supremacists, but not all white people are white supremacists so your
argument is bullshit.

That was stated by Trump, not by conservatives.

There were plenty of conservatives who went along with it, and still

Is that what your people are trying to fix? Other people's opinions
about the election? It's time to move on.

It is time to address what happened and then move on.

Jeff.

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On 11 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

until after another Joe victory. We'll know as much about the insurrection after this is over as we do now.

I know more about the insurrection now after the first public hearing than I knew yesterday.

Have they addressed an issue of Nancy Pelosi reducing security on the
day of the attack?

The Speaker of the House doesn't have the authority to increase or reduce security. Your argument is Bullsh!t.

It was stated by Trump, who is still the leader of a large portion of the right wing conseratives, and they believed him and followed his order to go to the Capital.

George Soros is the leader of a large population of leftists, and he
said that he wants criminals to be out of jail, but it would be a
stretch for me to declare that Georgie is the cause of the current crime crisis that we're all dealing with.

George Soros is not a political leader.

Jeff.

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On 11 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

It was stated by Trump, who is still the leader of a large portion of the right wing conseratives, and they believed him and followed his order to go to the Capital.

And the ones that actually stormed and went into the Capital disobeyed
his order to be peaceful.

Trump gave a lot of mixed messages in that speech.

Jeff.

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On 06-11-22 11:40, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Question for Fox New <=-

It was stated by Trump, who is still the leader of a large portion of
the right wing conseratives, and they believed him and followed his
order to go to the Capital.

And the ones that actually stormed and went into the Capital disobeyed
his order to be peaceful.

But they did follow his statement that it would be "wild".
Plus others did say to "kick ass and take names".

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On 06-11-22 18:52, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Question for Fox New <=-

I know more about the insurrection now after the first public hearing
than I knew yesterday.

Have they addressed an issue of Nancy Pelosi reducing security on the
day of the attack?

Did she? That is the first I have heard that she did that. Can you
give me a reference to read?

George Soros is the leader of a large population of leftists, and he
said that he wants criminals to be out of jail, but it would be a
stretch for me to declare that Georgie is the cause of the current
crime crisis that we're all dealing with.

What has that got to do with the topic of discussion wrt Jan 6 hearings?

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On 06-10-22 18:11, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Question for Fox News <=-

The border, which is not "open," has nothing to do with mass shootings.

No, but the border is a security conflict that will put illegalized assault weapons into the hands of criminals only, especially if the
bill is signed. Lawful gun owners will be outgunned by criminals.

Illegal weapons coming into the USA do not travel via the same routes
that immigrants (legal or illegal) do. Neither do drugs. As to lawful
gun owners being outgunned by criminals -- that is currently true. Most criminal use of assault weapons is done against the unarmed, adult and children. It is rare that a criminal with an assault weapon gets
immediately faced with a citizen similarly armed.

Everyone gets misled by lies,

Many people have enough sense to know a lie when they hear / see one.

but that doesn't mean it's ok to break the law.

Of course not. But many did so anyhow.

Biden told you that "white people are the biggest threat to
homeland security," so armed with that advice, if you shoot a bunch of white people, you can just say "I did it because Biden misled me.."

Prove that Biden said that. You seem to be equating his statement of
"white nationalists" to be the same as "white people". It definitely is
not the same.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

Everyone gets misled by lies,

Many people have enough sense to know a lie when they hear / see one.

Do they, though?

Biden told you that "white people are the biggest threat to
homeland security," so armed with that advice, if you shoot a bunch o white people, you can just say "I did it because Biden misled me.."

Prove that Biden said that. You seem to be equating his statement of "white nationalists" to be the same as "white people". It definitely is not the same.

Yes, they do.

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First of all, the January 6 committee does not have the power to put
Trump in jail. Secondly, it's not a distraction; most people can deal
with multiple things at the same time. Thirdly, Biden is not on the
ballot in November.

What's the point then? What are they trying to get out of this? Biden's not on the ballot, but a lot of idiots who've supported him are, like Chuck Schumer. Voters should be consciencious of whether or not they're voting for a Biden (destroyer of the USA) supporter or not.

Fox News is leftism in disguise.

Only from a far-right perspective, where everything that's not far-right is "leftist."

Fox News is trying to subtly control conservatives, and I'm certain that it's for the purpose of serving the left's (your) agenda.

For example, they have a comments section that's littered with racist comments (mostly against blacks.) Why? Other news sites have removed their comments sections years ago. Fox News is fomenting racism in their own special way, and that's not conservative.

assault weapons into the hands of criminals only, especially if the b is signed. Lawful gun owners will be outgunned by criminals.

So you're saying that assault weapons outclass any other type of legal firearm? What happened to the argument that they're just like any other semi-automatice rifle?

That was someone else's argument.

I'm not jumping to disarmament, but the House is.

No, they're not.

Ok, let's call it something else then, like "slight disarmament."

Heroin kills people. Maybe we should make a law against heroin posess Would that fix it?

It helps.

My point of that is that there are already laws against heroin possession, but people possess it anyway, and they'll do the same with assault weapons if that's what they're into.

Using your own logic, those machines can't predict if a person is going
to hurt someone because not everyone is walking through them. People
only have to walk through them in places where they're set up.

Schools need to have centralized entrances where people entering can be screened. They used to do it at the local high school here, but they stopped.
I guess there probably wasn't enough "racial equity" in the metal detectors.

And what do you propose should happen if one of the machines detects a firearm? Certainly not disarming the person, right?

No but the officer posted at the entrance can make them leave the property.

Everyone gets misled by lies, but that doesn't mean it's ok to break law. Biden told you that "white people are the biggest threat to home security," so armed with that advice, if you shoot a bunch of white people, you can just say "I did it because Biden misled me.."

Bullshit, Biden never said that. You're equating white people with white supremacists, but not all white people are white supremacists so your argument is bullshit.

Ok, my mistake, but Biden said "White supremacists are the biggest threat." So if you take that advice, and shoot whites who look supremicist-ish, then you can defend yourself by saying "Biden said they're the biggest threat!"

Is that what your people are trying to fix? Other people's opinions about the election? It's time to move on.

It is time to address what happened and then move on.

Thanks for that confirmation! The leftists want to fix the opinions that
people have about the 2020 election. They want to broadcast it on the mega screen in Times Square that "Trump was wrong about the 2020 election!" Like anyone really cares?

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Have they addressed an issue of Nancy Pelosi reducing security on the day of the attack?

The Speaker of the House doesn't have the authority to increase or reduce security. Your argument is Bullsh!t.

The claim is that she didn't allow the national guard to post at the capitol building during the attack. I didn't make the claim, I read it on a dozen news websites.

George Soros is not a political leader.

He's a political commander.

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The question should be "did we care?"

I can sense that the media (and their delegates) want us to care, and they want us to watch the coverage. Surely Schiff and the others will use the opportunity to create a presentation for the voters at home.

I really don't care because I feel like I know what I need to know. The
people who broke into the Capital Building (the ones that actually broke in and/or used force, not the ones that were *let in*) and/or were violent
and/or vandals need to be punished.

Me watching the coverage is not going to make it any more/less likely that
they get punished. I have seen and heard everything that Trump said and
don't hear what others hear because, for me, "peaceful" is not a trigger
word for violence. I also heard what others said and, yes, some of them probably could be charged with inciting a riot.

I think it is mostly just a side show in hopes that some folks will forget about the economy long enough that the midterms won't be such a bloodbath.
I am not going to forget the economy so I am probably not in their target audience.

All this leftist devotion to Trump is going to prove useless if we elect Ron Desantis in 2024.

Agreed. I would rather we not nominate Trump. He has his staunch
loyalists but what they don't understand is that he also turned a lot of
people off between 2016 (when they voted for him) and 2020 (when they did
not).

Having Trump run again is probably the only hope that Biden currently has
of being re-elected.


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And the ones that actually stormed and went into the Capital disobeyed his order to be peaceful.

But they did follow his statement that it would be "wild".
Plus others did say to "kick ass and take names".

"Others" should probably get in trouble.

Like I told Aaron, I have no need to watch the circus. I already believe
that the ones who committed crimes (breaking and entering, assault, theft, vandalism) should be punished. Those who were there, were let in, and did
not do anything should not.

Other speakers were clearly inciting trouble and should also get in trouble.


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George Soros is the leader of a large population of leftists, and he said that
he wants criminals to be out of jail, but it would be a stretch for me to declare that Georgie is the cause of the current crime crisis that we're all dealing with.

Do you have some context here? I would guess he did not mean all of them.


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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

First of all, the January 6 committee does not have the power to put Trump in jail. Secondly, it's not a distraction; most people can deal with multiple things at the same time. Thirdly, Biden is not on the ballot in November.

What's the point then? What are they trying to get out of this? Biden's not on the ballot, but a lot of idiots who've supported him are, like Chuck Schumer. Voters should be consciencious of whether or not they're voting for a Biden (destroyer of the USA) supporter or not.

The point is that Trump abused his power, acted illegally, and tried to
destroy the USA's democracy. We need to find out exactly what happened so
that we can prevent it from happening again.

Fox News is leftism in disguise.

Only from a far-right perspective, where everything that's not far-ri is "leftist."

Fox News is trying to subtly control conservatives, and I'm certain that it's for the purpose of serving the left's (your) agenda.

Well, you're certainly wrong.

For example, they have a comments section that's littered with racist comments (mostly against blacks.) Why? Other news sites have removed
their comments sections years ago. Fox News is fomenting racism in their own special way, and that's not conservative.

Because they cater to racists.

assault weapons into the hands of criminals only, especially if is signed. Lawful gun owners will be outgunned by criminals.

So you're saying that assault weapons outclass any other type of lega firearm? What happened to the argument that they're just like any oth semi-automatice rifle?

That was someone else's argument.

Ah, I see.

I'm not jumping to disarmament, but the House is.

No, they're not.

Ok, let's call it something else then, like "slight disarmament."

That's quite a different term.

Heroin kills people. Maybe we should make a law against heroin p Would that fix it?

It helps.

My point of that is that there are already laws against heroin
possession, but people possess it anyway, and they'll do the same with assault weapons if that's what they're into.

Unless they get caught.

Using your own logic, those machines can't predict if a person is goi to hurt someone because not everyone is walking through them. People only have to walk through them in places where they're set up.

Schools need to have centralized entrances where people entering can be screened. They used to do it at the local high school here, but they stopped. I guess there probably wasn't enough "racial equity" in the
metal detectors.

The Buffalo shooting was at a supermarket.

And what do you propose should happen if one of the machines detects firearm? Certainly not disarming the person, right?

No but the officer posted at the entrance can make them leave the property.

So now we need a machine and an officer at every school in the country, just
so that people can continue to own assault weapons?

Everyone gets misled by lies, but that doesn't mean it's ok to b law. Biden told you that "white people are the biggest threat to security," so armed with that advice, if you shoot a bunch of wh people, you can just say "I did it because Biden misled me.."

Bullshit, Biden never said that. You're equating white people with wh supremacists, but not all white people are white supremacists so your argument is bullshit.

Ok, my mistake, but Biden said "White supremacists are the biggest threat." So if you take that advice, and shoot whites who look supremicist-ish, then you can defend yourself by saying "Biden said they're the biggest threat!"

No, you can't.

Is that what your people are trying to fix? Other people's opini about the election? It's time to move on.

It is time to address what happened and then move on.

Thanks for that confirmation! The leftists want to fix the opinions that people have about the 2020 election. They want to broadcast it on the
mega screen in Times Square that "Trump was wrong about the 2020 election!" Like anyone really cares?

They want to get to the bottom of what happened on January 6.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Have they addressed an issue of Nancy Pelosi reducing security o day of the attack?

The Speaker of the House doesn't have the authority to increase or re security. Your argument is [REDACTED].

The claim is that she didn't allow the national guard to post at the capitol building during the attack. I didn't make the claim, I read it
on a dozen news websites.

Not exactly. Trump claims that he offered to deploy the National Guard, and made this offer to Pelosi. The Speaker of the House is not in charge of security, so even if this offer was made, that was not her job. She in no way "didn't allow" the National Guard to be deployed, because that is also not
her job, and outside of her authority.

Trump could have unilaterally deployed the National Guard if he'd wanted to, but it was Trump and Trump alone that decided they wouldn't be.

George Soros is not a political leader.

He's a political commander.

Nope. He's a supporter.

Jeff.

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Have they addressed an issue of Nancy Pelosi reducing security on the day of the attack?

Did she? That is the first I have heard that she did that. Can you
give me a reference to read?

https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-admin-was-ready-to-deploy-national- uard-on-jan-6-capitol-police-timeline-shows-january-donald

I don't know anything for a fact, except that this news report indicates that the former capitol police chief made a request to the house and senate
Sergeant at Arms (both of which report to Pelosi/McConnel respectively) to deploy the national guard for the planned January 6 event, but the former police chief said that his request was denied.

I like to blame Pelosi for things, but blame can also be put Irving & Stenger (Sergeants at arms.) But Pelosi had no problem with deploying the national guard in the days that followed, for narrative purposes.

George Soros is the leader of a large population of leftists, and he said that he wants criminals to be out of jail, but it would be a stretch for me to declare that Georgie is the cause of the current crime crisis that we're all dealing with.

What has that got to do with the topic of discussion wrt Jan 6 hearings?

The reason I brought that up was because Jeff said to blame Trump for the attack because he's the one who wanted to overturn the election, so I said "I don't blame George Soros for the crime crisis, just because George wants criminals out of jail." (analogy)

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Illegal weapons coming into the USA do not travel via the same routes
that immigrants (legal or illegal) do. Neither do drugs. As to lawful

Then why are border patrol agents recovering record quantitites of fentanyl?

Biden told you that "white people are the biggest threat to
homeland security," so armed with that advice, if you shoot a bunch o white people, you can just say "I did it because Biden misled me.."

Prove that Biden said that. You seem to be equating his statement of "white nationalists" to be the same as "white people". It definitely is not the same.

I mistyped that Biden quote. But the point is that it's wrong to blame Trump for the attack just because he got people riled up.

BLM riles people up. Should BLM be blamed for the stuff that the people do after they've been riled up?

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I really don't care because I feel like I know what I need to know. The people who broke into the Capital Building (the ones that actually broke in and/or used force, not the ones that were *let in*) and/or were
violent and/or vandals need to be punished.

Same here. The story isn't interesting anymore. Trump's bad, we get it. White people who think the election was stolen are bad too, we get that too.

Me watching the coverage is not going to make it any more/less likely
that they get punished. I have seen and heard everything that Trump

The media calls them "Trump supporters," and Jeff calls them "conservatives."
I think their angle is to maintain the alienation of conservatives. "You guys did this!" and "If you continue to vote Republican then it means that you wanted those people to get hurt on January 6!"

Agreed. I would rather we not nominate Trump. He has his staunch loyalists but what they don't understand is that he also turned a lot of people off between 2016 (when they voted for him) and 2020 (when they did not).

Trump could do us all a huge favor by running for congress, but he's too full of himself to do that. Everyone just wants to be president.

For a while, Candace Owens was talking about launching a presidential campaign, but she too needs to get off her high horse. I wrote to her and told her something like "Candace, our state (NY) is being destroyed by Democrats and
no GOP candidate is even running for assembly in like 30 districts. Do us a favor and run for state assembly so you can help fix our state!" She'd totally win if she ran, but no, it's president or nothing.

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George Soros is the leader of a large population of leftists, and he sai that
he wants criminals to be out of jail, but it would be a stretch for me t declare that Georgie is the cause of the current crime crisis that we're dealing with.

Do you have some context here? I would guess he did not mean all of
them.

George Soros is trying to overhaul our justice system by financing the campaigns of Democrat progressive DAs who are minimizing prosecutions accross the country.

But I won't blame George Soros for the crime crisis, just because he wants everyone out of jail. So Jeff shouldn't blame Trump for the crime that occurred on January 6 just because he fomented it, unless he wants to also blame George Soros and Joe Biden for formenting the current crime crisis.

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The point is that Trump abused his power, acted illegally, and tried to destroy the USA's democracy. We need to find out exactly what happened so that we can prevent it from happening again.

What is still unknown about what happened?

Schools need to have centralized entrances where people entering can screened. They used to do it at the local high school here, but they stopped. I guess there probably wasn't enough "racial equity" in the metal detectors.

The Buffalo shooting was at a supermarket.

The same can be done in any building.

So now we need a machine and an officer at every school in the country, just so that people can continue to own assault weapons?

No, we need a machine and an officer at every building in the country because
a ban on assault weapons doesn't solve the problem. A ban on all guns wouldn't even solve the problem.

They want to get to the bottom of what happened on January 6.

Caucasian Trump supporters were mad about the election so they stormed the building, broke things, killed people. Trump encouraged them to go there.

What more is there to know about it?

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The point is that Trump abused his power, acted illegally, and tried to destroy the USA's democracy. We need to find out exactly what happened so that we can prevent it from happening again.

Are you sure now is a convenient time for your people to be trying to prevent presidents from abusing their power?

Maybe it's more convenient than I thought; they know Biden's on his way out,
so now could be a good time to check the powers of the next president (because it will be a Republican.)

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Not exactly. Trump claims that he offered to deploy the National Guard, and made this offer to Pelosi. The Speaker of the House is not in charge of security, so even if this offer was made, that was not her job. She
in no way "didn't allow" the National Guard to be deployed, because that is also not her job, and outside of her authority.

I read that the Sergeant at Arms (who answers to Pelosi) rejected the request which was made by the police chief. That conflicts with what you're saying. Unless both are true, and both requests were denied.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

The point is that Trump abused his power, acted illegally, and tried destroy the USA's democracy. We need to find out exactly what happene that we can prevent it from happening again.

Are you sure now is a convenient time for your people to be trying to prevent presidents from abusing their power?

Presidents should never abuse their powers. Do you have specific allegations
of Biden abusing his power, as you seem to be implying?

Maybe it's more convenient than I thought; they know Biden's on his way out, so now could be a good time to check the powers of the next
president (because it will be a Republican.)

Trump went way beyond the powers granted the president by the Constitution.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Not exactly. Trump claims that he offered to deploy the National Guar and made this offer to Pelosi. The Speaker of the House is not in cha of security, so even if this offer was made, that was not her job. Sh in no way "didn't allow" the National Guard to be deployed, because t is also not her job, and outside of her authority.

I read that the Sergeant at Arms (who answers to Pelosi) rejected the request which was made by the police chief. That conflicts with what you're saying. Unless both are true, and both requests were denied.

Whichever is true, it was not Pelosi's decision to make, which makes your previous statement a lie.

Jeff.

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Are you sure now is a convenient time for your people to be trying to prevent presidents from abusing their power?

Presidents should never abuse their powers. Do you have specific allegations of Biden abusing his power, as you seem to be implying?

Yea, here are a few cases of it:

1) Biden border crisis, Biden crime crisis, Biden D.A. crisis
2) Biden threatening to hold aid from Ukraine unless they fire the prosecutor 3) Reducing police power during a crime crisis
4) Biden lying about his son's foreign business endeavors

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Are you sure now is a convenient time for your people to be tryi prevent presidents from abusing their power?

Presidents should never abuse their powers. Do you have specific allegations of Biden abusing his power, as you seem to be implying?

Yea, here are a few cases of it:
1) Biden border crisis, Biden crime crisis, Biden D.A. crisis
2) Biden threatening to hold aid from Ukraine unless they fire the prosecutor 3) Reducing police power during a crime crisis
4) Biden lying about his son's foreign business endeavors

What specific abuses of power are you impyling? Simply stating "this crisis"
or "that crisis" is not evidence of an abuse of power.

Not everything that Biden does that you don't like is an abuse of power.

Jeff.

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I read that the Sergeant at Arms (who answers to Pelosi) rejected the request which was made by the police chief. That conflicts with what you're saying. Unless both are true, and both requests were denied.

Whichever is true, it was not Pelosi's decision to make, which makes your previous statement a lie.

It wasn't a lie, I guess I was wrong, but I don't lie to win arguments.

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On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I read that the Sergeant at Arms (who answers to Pelosi) rejecte request which was made by the police chief. That conflicts with you're saying. Unless both are true, and both requests were deni

Whichever is true, it was not Pelosi's decision to make, which makes previous statement a lie.

It wasn't a lie, I guess I was wrong, but I don't lie to win arguments.

It was a lie, because had you made the least bit of effort to validate it,
you would know that it is false.

Jeff.

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Like I told Aaron, I have no need to watch the circus. I already

You might learn something if you did. More is coming out than has been previously reported.

believe that the ones who committed crimes (breaking and entering, assault, theft, vandalism) should be punished. Those who were there,
were let in, and did not do anything should not.

All of the above are criminal offenses. The second group are milder,
and those who have been arrested have often been let off with probation.
What you left out of the first group is the primary purpose of some,
namely to interupt or prevent the counting of the electoral votes in the
hopes of somehow letting Trump get away with a successful coup.

Other speakers were clearly inciting trouble and should also get in trouble.

I agree, and that group includes Trump. The more recent charges are
against two white nationalist groups -- the proud boys and the
oathkeepers. They have been charged with seditious conspiracy. There
is evidence that they had previously planned their part in the event and
led others in a quasi-military type attack on the capital and members of Congress.

Dale Shipp
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On 06-12-22 15:18, Aaron Thomas <=-
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Did she? That is the first I have heard that she did that. Can you
give me a reference to read?

https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-admin-was-ready- to-deploy-national- uard-on-jan-6-capitol-police-timeline-shows-january-donald

Thanks. I have read that.

I don't know anything for a fact, except that this news report
indicates that the former capitol police chief made a request to the
house and senate Sergeant at Arms (both of which report to
Pelosi/McConnel respectively) to deploy the national guard for the
planned January 6 event, but the former police chief said that his
request was denied.

Denied because they did not have the authority to do deploy the Guard.
Not clear that Pelosi/McConnel were consulted. If they were, they
should have made it clear who had the authority (Trump) and so should
the reporter who gave that report.

I like to blame Pelosi for things, but blame can also be put Irving & Stenger (Sergeants at arms.) But Pelosi had no problem with deploying
the national guard in the days that followed, for narrative purposes.

Be careful when you blame someone that you have the evidence to back up
your claim. In this case, you do not have such evidence.

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On 06-12-22 15:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Question for Fox New <=-

Illegal weapons coming into the USA do not travel via the same routes
that immigrants (legal or illegal) do. Neither do drugs. As to lawful

Then why are border patrol agents recovering record quantitites of fentanyl?

I don't know. Where did they recover that fentanyl? Was is from
immigrants crossing the river (unlikely) or from the sixteen wheelers
crossing at a highway border crossing (likely) or from tunnels (also
likely)?

Biden told you that "white people are the biggest threat to
homeland security," so armed with that advice, if
you shoot a bunch o
white people, you can just say "I did it because Biden misled me.."

Prove that Biden said that. You seem to be equating his statement of "white nationalists" to be the same as "white people". It definitely is not the same.

I mistyped that Biden quote. But the point is that it's wrong to blame Trump for the attack just because he got people riled up.

He and his staff and cohorts did much more than just getting people
riled up. It was a carefully orchestrated plan with many players.

Dale Shipp
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On 06-12-22 03:12, Aaron Thomas <=-
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My point of that is that there are already laws against heroin
possession, but people possess it anyway, and they'll do the same with assault weapons if that's what they're into.

A big difference is that those who get and use heroin hurt themselves
but those who get and use assault weapons hurt multiple others.

Dale Shipp
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On 06-12-22 17:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
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The point is that Trump abused his power, acted illegally, and tried to destroy the USA's democracy. We need to find out exactly what happened so that we can prevent it from happening again.

What is still unknown about what happened?

Only last week, I learned something new. Namely that the leaders of the
Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers met in a garage on Jan 5 to discuss plans
for the 6th. Did you know that? and when did you know it?

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Then why are border patrol agents recovering record quantitites of fentanyl?

I don't know. Where did they recover that fentanyl? Was is from immigrants crossing the river (unlikely) or from the sixteen wheelers crossing at a highway border crossing (likely) or from tunnels (also likely)?

There have been a few articles here and there about migrants carrying fentanyl, but you're right that most of the reports are about fentanyl being recovered
at the port of entries.

But the role that the migrants inadvertantly play in it is that they're a distraction and busywork for border patrol. While asylum seekers are flocking to the Texas border, the people who are unfit for legal entry are running accross the Arizona border.

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What is still unknown about what happened?

Only last week, I learned something new. Namely that the leaders of the Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers met in a garage on Jan 5 to discuss plans for the 6th. Did you know that? and when did you know it?

I didn't know that. And I can see how that story sorta backs up Biden's "biggest threat" narrative. But what good does it do? More arrests to come?

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On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

What is still unknown about what happened?

Only last week, I learned something new. Namely that the leaders of Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers met in a garage on Jan 5 to discuss pl for the 6th. Did you know that? and when did you know it?

I didn't know that. And I can see how that story sorta backs up Biden's "biggest threat" narrative. But what good does it do? More arrests to come?

One can only hope so. A majority of the second hearing focused on the sheer number of times that Trump was told by members of his administration, members of his campaign, lawyers, and judges that his claims of election fraud were baseless. And yet he continued making the claims anyway, fundraising
hundrends of millions of dollars off of them in the process.

They then presented footage of insurrection participants on 1/6, freely
telling the world why they were there. And the reason they said they were
there was because they thought that the election had been stolen.

Because Trump told them that, over and over.

Even though he had been told that it was a baseless allegation.

And all that fundraising that he claimed was for his "election defense fund?" None of it was used for that purpose. Trump could have called for a recount
in the battleground states; he'd certainly received enough money in donations to pay for it. But Trump did not request a single recount.

Because that would expose the lie.

Jeff.

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The media calls them "Trump supporters," and Jeff calls them "conservatives." I think their angle is to maintain the alienation of conservatives. "You guys did this!" and "If you continue to vote Republican then it means that you wanted those people to get hurt on January 6!"

That would be a good example of black-and-white thinking on their part, but
I have seen similar applied here before when it comes to Republicans.

Trump could do us all a huge favor by running for congress, but he's too full of himself to do that. Everyone just wants to be president.

Not everyone does, but he does I am sure. After being President, he would probably see congress as a step down.

For a while, Candace Owens was talking about launching a presidential campaign
but she too needs to get off her high horse. I wrote to her and told her something like "Candace, our state (NY) is being destroyed by Democrats and no GOP candidate is even running for assembly in like 30 districts. Do us a favor and run for state assembly so you can help fix our state!" She'd totally
win if she ran, but no, it's president or nothing.

Then again, for celebrities and people who think they are, you are probably right... it is probably President or nothing. :)


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George Soros is the leader of a large population of leftists, and he sa
that
he wants criminals to be out of jail, but it would be a stretch for me declare that Georgie is the cause of the current crime crisis that we'r
dealing with.

Do you have some context here? I would guess he did not mean all of them.

George Soros is trying to overhaul our justice system by financing the campaigns of Democrat progressive DAs who are minimizing prosecutions accross the country.

Ok, now I see where the jump to "wants all criminals out of jail" comes
from. If Soros is really financing these campaigns, then it does sound like
he is not from the "hard on crime" line of thinking. I have read
somewhere, other than here, that he does put money into progressive DA's campaigns but I don't remember where so I cannot say now how credible I
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believe that the ones who committed crimes (breaking and entering, assault, theft, vandalism) should be punished. Those who were there, were let in, and did not do anything should not.

All of the above are criminal offenses. The second group are milder,
and those who have been arrested have often been let off with probation.
What you left out of the first group is the primary purpose of some,
namely to interupt or prevent the counting of the electoral votes in the hopes of somehow letting Trump get away with a successful coup.

If they can prove that they were attempting to disrupt the count of
electoral votes, those that they can prove that of should also be punished.

The ones that were let in by the guards (not by those who had already
broken in)... I honestly cannot see that alone as being a reason they
should be in trouble. If they did anything mentioned above after being let
in, that is another matter that they should be punished for.


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First of all, the January 6 committee does not have the power to put Trump in jail. Secondly, it's not a distraction; most people can deal with multiple things at the same time. Thirdly, Biden is not on the ballot in November.

What's the point then? What are they trying to get out of this? Biden's not on
the ballot, but a lot of idiots who've supported him are, like Chuck Schumer. Voters should be consciencious of whether or not they're voting for a Biden (destroyer of the USA) supporter or not.

As with every midterm, the sitting President (and the policies of his administration) are indirectly on the ballot. Midterms can change a President's term. Bill Clinton was on his way to being a single-term
President until the Republicans cleaned up during his first midterm.

I'm not jumping to disarmament, but the House is.

No, they're not.

Ok, let's call it something else then, like "slight disarmament."

My understanding is that, in New York, some of your 2A rights or, at least,
how you exercise them, may soon change.

My point of that is that there are already laws against heroin possession, but
people possess it anyway, and they'll do the same with assault weapons if that's what they're into.

Yes.

Thanks for that confirmation! The leftists want to fix the opinions that people have about the 2020 election. They want to broadcast it on the mega screen in Times Square that "Trump was wrong about the 2020 election!" Like anyone really cares?

The biggest reason Trump lost in 2020 was the same biggest reason that
Hilary lost in 2016... they both preached too much to their own choir.
Hilary did not visit a lot of place and mostly preached to the large urban areas (and called people in other areas names). Trump preached to his base
and did not account much at all for those in "the center" that voted for
him in 2016.


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On 13 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

The media calls them "Trump supporters," and Jeff calls them "conservati I think their angle is to maintain the alienation of conservatives. "You did this!" and "If you continue to vote Republican then it means that yo wanted those people to get hurt on January 6!"

That would be a good example of black-and-white thinking on their part, but I have seen similar applied here before when it comes to Republicans.

The Republican Party and those who vote for them are almost exclusively conservatives. Conservatives who do not vote still share common values by virtue of their conservative ideology.

Republicans, as a group, choose who their political candidates are going to
be. Yes, sometimes Democrats vote in Republican primaries in order to
influence the outcome, but the presidential nominee is chosen by delegates rather than voters, which enables them to ensure that they retain control
over the process.

Republicans chose Trump.

Jeff.

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If they can prove that they were attempting to disrupt the count MP>of

electoral votes, those that they can prove that of should also MP>be punished.

When was Donald J. Trump punished for what he attempted to do?

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On 06-13-22 16:49, Aaron Thomas <=-
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What is still unknown about what happened?

Only last week, I learned something new. Namely that the leaders of the Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers met in a garage on Jan 5 to discuss plans for the 6th. Did you know that? and when did you know it?

I didn't know that. And I can see how that story sorta backs up
Biden's "biggest threat" narrative. But what good does it do? More
arrests to come?

Actually, many of both groups have been arrested on serious charges.

The Jan 6 panel today (Monday) told me nothing I did not really already
know. They focused on the Trump group making claims that the election
was stolen, that Trump knew that his fraud statements were false but
making them anyway, and as a side comment how Trump used the election
fraud story to dupe $250,000,000 out of those who believed him. At
least some of that money went to various cronies -- but they did not say
where most of it went.

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Then again, for celebrities and people who think they are, you are probably right... it is probably President or nothing. :)

For Candace Owens, maybe she just thinks the state is a sinking ship that she doesn't want to waste time trying to save.

But for Trump, had he not ruined his once impeccable reputation as president, he could have moved on and ran for congress in Florida, and that way he'd
still be able to help all of America, just in a slightly smaller way.

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Ok, now I see where the jump to "wants all criminals out of jail" comes from. If Soros is really financing these campaigns, then it does sound like he is not from the "hard on crime" line of thinking. I have read somewhere, other than here, that he does put money into progressive DA's campaigns but I don't remember where so I cannot say now how credible I believe it to be.

I heard it too, from news sources. Maybe their messing with us; maybe George
is actually a great guy, and maybe he's not aware that the gentlemen he's financing are letting everyone off the hook for crimes. After all, he helped finance Joe Biden and Barack Obama, and they're stand up guys, so we know that George has financed good people before too, right? ;)

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As with every midterm, the sitting President (and the policies of his administration) are indirectly on the ballot. Midterms can change a President's term. Bill Clinton was on his way to being a single-term President until the Republicans cleaned up during his first midterm.

I'm trying to comprehend this, because I was not paying attention back in
those days. But Clinton was doing bad? And some midterm results led him to shape-up ahead of re-election?

Or do I got that all wrong?

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The biggest reason Trump lost in 2020 was the same biggest reason that Hilary lost in 2016... they both preached too much to their own choir. Hilary did not visit a lot of place and mostly preached to the large
urban areas (and called people in other areas names). Trump preached to his base and did not account much at all for those in "the center" that voted for him in 2016.

Yea, he missed a lot of opportunities to connect with Americans. Bush & Obama talked to us a lot through special broadcasts from the oval office. Can a president just do those whenever he wants? Or does he need to have friends in the media? Trump did not do many of them (if any?)

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But for Trump, had he not ruined his once impeccable reputation as president,
he could have moved on and ran for congress in Florida, and that way he'd still be able to help all of America, just in a slightly smaller way.

It's really hard for someone, not affected by the extreme brainwashing in the USA, to understand that a single USAian cannot know how stupid and incompetent Trump was and still is.

Person, woman, man, camera, TV. Just saying...



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know. They focused on the Trump group making claims that the election
was stolen, that Trump knew that his fraud statements were false but making them anyway, and as a side comment how Trump used the election fraud story to dupe $250,000,000 out of those who believed him. At
least some of that money went to various cronies -- but they did not say where most of it went.

Are any of those things illegal? What if the money went to attorney fees?

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On 14 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

know. They focused on the Trump group making claims that the electio was stolen, that Trump knew that his fraud statements were false but making them anyway, and as a side comment how Trump used the election fraud story to dupe $250,000,000 out of those who believed him. At least some of that money went to various cronies -- but they did not where most of it went.

Are any of those things illegal? What if the money went to attorney fees?

Considering that the stated purpose of the funds raised, according to the emails and letters requesting them, was the "Official Election Defense Fund" and no "Official Election Defense Fund" ever existed, it was likely wire
fraud, at the very least.

Jeff.

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As with every midterm, the sitting President (and the policies of his administration) are indirectly on the ballot. Midterms can change a President's term. Bill Clinton was on his way to being a single-term President until the Republicans cleaned up during his first midterm.

I'm trying to comprehend this, because I was not paying attention back in those days. But Clinton was doing bad? And some midterm results led him to shape-up ahead of re-election?

Or do I got that all wrong?

His ratings were not great. Every time he would say something middle-of-the-road in the press, before you knew it Hillary would be giving
her own soundbyte and often contradicting him with a more left-leaning
opinion. For example, she contradicted him often when it came to universal health care and what type and size of employers might be forced to provide
it.

After his first two years, the Republicans really did well in the midterms, taking both houses. After that, it seemed like Hillary didn't talk to the press as much any more, and the government seemed to get more done.

Had that not happened, no, I don't think he'd have been re-elected for a
second term.


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The biggest reason Trump lost in 2020 was the same biggest reason that Hilary lost in 2016... they both preached too much to their own choir. Hilary did not visit a lot of place and mostly preached to the large urban areas (and called people in other areas names). Trump preached to his base and did not account much at all for those in "the center" that voted for him in 2016.

Yea, he missed a lot of opportunities to connect with Americans. Bush & Obama talked to us a lot through special broadcasts from the oval office. Can a president just do those whenever he wants? Or does he need to have friends in the media? Trump did not do many of them (if any?)

I am not 100% on how that works. I would guess that the White House
announces that the President plans to address the Nation on a date and
time, and then the networks decide if they are covering it.


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Hello Bj”rn,

But for Trump, had he not ruined his once impeccable reputation as
president, he could have moved on and ran for congress in Florida, AT>and

that way he'd still be able to help all of America, just in a AT>slightly smaller way.

It's really hard for someone, not affected by the extreme brainwashing in the USA, to understand that a single USAian cannot know how stupid and incompetent Trump was and still is.

You don't understand. After all, you're a Swede. So I'll explain
it to you. Or at least try to.

Donald J. Trump, as POTUS, announced to the world that he is a
"stable genius". You do realize what that means. Unlike other madmen,
he is stable and will never fall off his rocker.

And since he was elected President in a fair and square election,
he is always and forevermore to be addressed as Mr. President.

There is a reason why President Trump is not running for Congress.
He is the President, and will always be known as the President. So
why would he want to run for any lesser office? Certainly that would
make no sense. And do remember, he is a stable genius. Not you.

So here's the plan -

After the mid-term elections, Republicans will control both houses
of Congress. The first thing that will be done is the House will elect
Donald J. Trump as Speaker. Then the House will get to the real order
of business by impeaching Joe Biden. And Kamala Harris. Trial will
then be held by the Senate, and both Biden and Harris will be removed
from office. President Trump will then be sworn into office, and name
Sarah Palin as his new Vice President, thus removing traitor Mike
Pence.

Both will be sworn into office, and Vice President Palin will announce
she can see Russia from her new house.

Person, woman, man, camera, TV. Just saying...

Remember who the stable genius is ...

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His ratings were not great. Every time he would say something middle-of-the-road in the press, before you knew it Hillary would be giving her own soundbyte and often contradicting him with a more left-leaning opinion. For example, she contradicted him often when it came to universal health care and what type and size of employers might
be forced to provide it.

Wow, so it sounds like there was a time when Hillary inadvertantly helped America. She should put that on her resume.

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I am not 100% on how that works. I would guess that the White House announces that the President plans to address the Nation on a date and time, and then the networks decide if they are covering it.

That's what I always thought too, until now. Trump can't be that much of a dummy that he just forgot to conduct those broadcasts.

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On 06-14-22 07:24, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Question for Fox New <=-

know. They focused on the Trump group making claims that the election
was stolen, that Trump knew that his fraud statements were false but making them anyway, and as a side comment how Trump used the election fraud story to dupe $250,000,000 out of those who believed him. At
least some of that money went to various cronies -- but they did not say where most of it went.

Are any of those things illegal? What if the money went to attorney
fees?

I can see payments to attorneys being legit, no matter how frivolous
their court filings were found to be (e.g. Giovanni). But using that
money as a slush fund for other things would not be.

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On 15 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I am not 100% on how that works. I would guess that the White House announces that the President plans to address the Nation on a date an time, and then the networks decide if they are covering it.

That's what I always thought too, until now. Trump can't be that much of
a dummy that he just forgot to conduct those broadcasts.

They are referred to officially as "Address to the Nation," and apparently
the President requests them. Obama requested 20 of the over two terms, and Trump requested 26 of them in one term:

* Sep. 9, 2020 On Judicial Appointments
* June 1, 2020 On the protests and riots following the death of George Floyd
* March 11, 2020 On the coronavirus pandemic
* Feb. 6, 2020 On the acquittal of the impeachment vote
* Jan. 8, 2020 On the assassination of Qassam Soleimani and subsequent Iranian attack on US bases in Iraq
* Oct. 27, 2019 On the Killing of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi
* Oct. 23, 2019 On the Turkish Invasion of Syria
* August 5, 2019 On the mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton
* Jan. 25, 2019 Announcing an end to the government shutdown
* Jan. 19, 2019 Announcing a new immigration proposal to end the
government shutdown
* Jan. 8, 2019 On the Government Shutdown and the Proposed United States-Mexico Border wall
* July 9, 2018 Nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the United States Supreme Court
* May 8, 2018 Termination of the Iran Nuclear Deal
* April 13, 2018 Allied Airstrikes on Damascus and Homs
* Feb. 15, 2018 On the Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting
* Dec. 18, 2017 On National Security
* Dec. 6, 2017 Recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital and moving of US embassy
* Nov. 15, 2017 On returning from a trip to Asia
* Oct. 13, 2017 On United States Policy towards Iran
* Oct. 2, 2017 On the Mandalay Bay Shooting
* August 21, 2017 On the situation in Afghanistan
* August 14, 2017 On the Charlottesville Race Riots
* June 14, 2017 On the Congressional baseball shooting
* June 1, 2017 Withdrawal of the United States from the Paris Climate Agreement
* April 6, 2017 US Strike on Shayrat airfield
* Jan. 31, 2017 Nomination of Neil Gorsuch to the United States Supreme Court

Jeff.

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His ratings were not great. Every time he would say something middle-of-the-road in the press, before you knew it Hillary would be giving her own soundbyte and often contradicting him with a more left-leaning opinion. For example, she contradicted him often when it came to universal health care and what type and size of employers might be forced to provide it.

Wow, so it sounds like there was a time when Hillary inadvertantly helped America. She should put that on her resume.

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I am not 100% on how that works. I would guess that the White House announces that the President plans to address the Nation on a date and time, and then the networks decide if they are covering it.

That's what I always thought too, until now. Trump can't be that much of a dummy that he just forgot to conduct those broadcasts.

He did do some, but probably not as many as Obama, Clinton, or anyone that
came before them. Maybe I have missed most of them, but Biden has not done
too many, either.


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On 15 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

I am not 100% on how that works. I would guess that the White Hous announces that the President plans to address the Nation on a date time, and then the networks decide if they are covering it.

That's what I always thought too, until now. Trump can't be that much of dummy that he just forgot to conduct those broadcasts.

He did do some,

Trump did 26 in 4 years.

but probably not as many as Obama,

Obama did 20 in 8 years. <-- less than Trump's 26

Clinton,

Clinton did 19 in 8 years. <-- less than Trump's 26

or anyone
that came before them.

It only takes one to make your statement false but for completeness, here we go:
George W. Bush did 29, albeit in 8 years. <-- more than Trump's, less per term George H.W. Bush did 25 in 4 years. <-- less than Trump's 26
Reagan did 40, albeit in 8 years. <-- more than Trump's, less per term
Carter did 12 in 4 years. <-- less than Trump's 26
Ford did 7 in ~3 years. <-- less than Trump's 26
Nixon did 44 in ~5 years. <-- more than Trump's 26
Johnson did 23 in ~5 years. <-- less than Trump's 26
Kennedy did 17 in ~3 years. <-- less than Trump's 26
Eisenhower did 32 in 8 years. <-- more than Trump's, less per term

Maybe I have missed most of them, but Biden has
not done too many, either.

Biden has done 30 in ~2 years. <-- more than Trump's 26 in half the time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_to_the_Nation

Yeah, it's Wikipedia, but that page contains links to most of the speeches. Feel free to dispute it if you can prove that it's incorrect.

Human memory is notoriously unreliable, especially as the time between since the remembered event increases.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

I am not 100% on how that works. I would guess that the White

House

announces that the President plans to address the Nation on a

date an

time, and then the networks decide if they are covering it.

That's what I always thought too, until now. Trump can't be that much

of

a dummy that he just forgot to conduct those broadcasts.

They are referred to officially as "Address to the Nation," and apparently the President requests them. Obama requested 20 of the over two terms, and Trump requested 26 of them in one term:

The State of the Union is also an "Address to the Nation" - although
it can be a written statement handed to the Congress by a president.
As it is required by the US Constitution, every president has made
at least one. Except maybe for Zachary Taylor, who did not last long
enough in office to have done so.

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On 16 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

They are referred to officially as "Address to the Nation," and appar the President requests them. Obama requested 20 of the over two terms Trump requested 26 of them in one term:

The State of the Union is also an "Address to the Nation" - although
it can be a written statement handed to the Congress by a president.
As it is required by the US Constitution, every president has made
at least one. Except maybe for Zachary Taylor, who did not last long enough in office to have done so.

The SOTU is technically an address to Congress, as mandated by the Constitution, while Addresses to the Nation are addresses to the people of
the United States. As such, they are not synonymous, and one is not a subset
of the other. Addresses to the Nation are typically delivered from behind the Resolute Desk, although Obama used other locations in the White House as well.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

They are referred to officially as "Address to the Nation," and

appar

the President requests them. Obama requested 20 of the over two

terms

Trump requested 26 of them in one term:

The State of the Union is also an "Address to the Nation" - although
it can be a written statement handed to the Congress by a president.
As it is required by the US Constitution, every president has made
at least one. Except maybe for Zachary Taylor, who did not last long
enough in office to have done so.

The SOTU is technically an address to Congress, as mandated by the Constitution, while Addresses to the Nation are addresses to the people of the United States. As such, they are not synonymous, and one is not a subset
of the other. Addresses to the Nation are typically delivered from behind the
Resolute Desk, although Obama used other locations in the White House as well.

Since the president did not always deliver the address, it does not
count as an in-person address. It was known as The Address for most of
our history, until Harry Truman changed it to the State of the Union.

Since it is a message delivered to a joint session of Congress, it
can be viewed as an address to the nation, as all members of Congress
are elected public officials. But that might be playing semantics ...

https://history.house.gov/Institution/SOTU/List/


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