• Nothing to see here

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALL on Tuesday, February 15, 2022 17:11:00
    There's no public information about where they went from the airport, other than PA Gov Wolf's claim that "they were just passing through."
    He didn't explain if Wilkes-Barre was a connection flight, who their guardian(s) are, or whether or not their guardians would be charged
    with a crime for human smuggling. He's just like "130 migrant children came to Wilkes Barre but now they're gone so case-closed!"

    Just the standard Leftie talk when they get caught doing something illegal. "Nothing to see here." "It's just a right-wing conspiracy."

    So I guess that would be similar to the recent findings that the Clinton campaign paid a company to hack into Trump campaign computers to help push
    the Russian collusion theory?

    That does not sound at all like the modern equivalent of Watergate, does it?


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, February 15, 2022 18:45:50
    On 15 Feb 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    There's no public information about where they went from the airpor other than PA Gov Wolf's claim that "they were just passing through He didn't explain if Wilkes-Barre was a connection flight, who thei guardian(s) are, or whether or not their guardians would be charged with a crime for human smuggling. He's just like "130 migrant child came to Wilkes Barre but now they're gone so case-closed!"

    Just the standard Leftie talk when they get caught doing something illeg "Nothing to see here." "It's just a right-wing conspiracy."

    So I guess that would be similar to the recent findings that the Clinton campaign paid a company to hack into Trump campaign computers to help
    push the Russian collusion theory?

    Well, except that the alleged "hacking" never occurred.

    This claim was originally made by Trump in 2017, except that the villain was the Obama administration. Now, the villain has suddenly become the Clinton campaign.

    Evidence for the claim supposedly lies in an indictment filed by John Durham against Michael Sussmann for lying to the FBI about whether he was working on behalf of clients or not when he reported the possibility of suspicious computer communications between servers associated with the Trump campaign
    and Alfa Bank. The FBI investigated Sussmann's tip but determined that there was no suspicious activity occurring.

    The allegations of "hacking" appear nowhere in the indictment and appear to have been fabricated by Fox News. Sussman is a former federal prosecutor with expertise in computer cases, not a "hacker." Durham, in a later filing, admitted that he did not have evidence that Sussmann ever spoke directly to
    the Clinton campaign about Alfa Bank.

    The server in question did not belong to the Trump campaign, but was the property of a mass marketing email company which sent ad emails for Trump hotels -- along with emails for hundreds of other clients.

    The alleged "hacking" is analysis of intercepted DNS data which reveals what hostnames computers at Trump Tower and Trump's Central Park West apartment building, among others, contacted. No "infiltration" of any computer system
    is alleged by Durham to have occurred; this aspect appears to have been embellished by Fox News as well.

    And finally, there is plenty of evidence of Russia interfering in the 2016 election. Explicit conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign could not be proven.

    This is going to turn out to be just another Trump lie in a long, long series of lies.

    Jeff.
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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, February 16, 2022 09:09:10
    Mike Powell wrote to ALL <=-

    Just the standard Leftie talk when they get caught doing something illegal. "Nothing to see here." "It's just a right-wing conspiracy."

    So I guess that would be similar to the recent findings that the
    Clinton campaign paid a company to hack into Trump campaign computers
    to help push the Russian collusion theory?

    That does not sound at all like the modern equivalent of Watergate,
    does it?

    Actually, it sounds like espionage, and since one of those persons was a gov't employee at the time he was doing it to a sitting president, it also sounds like treason.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron L. on Wednesday, February 16, 2022 08:38:30
    On 16 Feb 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    Actually, it sounds like espionage, and since one of those persons was a gov't employee at the time he was doing it to a sitting president, it
    also sounds like treason.

    The alleged "hacking" was originally attributed by Trump to the Obama administration, but he is now saying that it was the Clinton campaign.
    Neither the Obama administration nor the Clinton campaign existed when Trump was a sitting president.

    Sussmann was a former federal prosecutor, but was a lawyer working for a private firm (Perkins Coie) at the time of the alleged "hacking."

    So much for "thinking for yourself." Your entire allegation is comprised of lies.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Wednesday, February 16, 2022 16:52:00
    Just the standard Leftie talk when they get caught doing something illegal.
    "Nothing to see here." "It's just a right-wing conspiracy."

    So I guess that would be similar to the recent findings that the
    Clinton campaign paid a company to hack into Trump campaign computers
    to help push the Russian collusion theory?

    That does not sound at all like the modern equivalent of Watergate,
    does it?

    Actually, it sounds like espionage, and since one of those persons was a gov't
    employee at the time he was doing it to a sitting president, it also sounds like treason.

    As I have already predicted, it has been brushed off by someone here as
    nothing to see here. It is only espionage and treason if a Republican or a right-wing mob does it. Otherwise, it falls under "nothing to see" or
    "voices (that) need to be heard" or "it was for the greater good."


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, February 16, 2022 17:24:16
    On 16 Feb 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Actually, it sounds like espionage, and since one of those persons was a gov't
    employee at the time he was doing it to a sitting president, it also sou like treason.

    As I have already predicted, it has been brushed off by someone here as nothing to see here. It is only espionage and treason if a Republican
    or a right-wing mob does it. Otherwise, it falls under "nothing to see" or "voices (that) need to be heard" or "it was for the greater good."

    It has been brushed off because it's a load of nonsense. Neither the Obama administration nor the Clinton campaign were "hacking" into Trump's computers after Trump's inauguration. The Obama administration ended with Trump's inauguration, and the Clinton campaign was shut down months before the inauguration, after Trump had been declared the winner of the 2016 election
    and Clinton had conceded.

    There is simply no way that Ron's theory could have taken place in a universe with a linear concept of time. *That* is why it was brushed off.

    Jeff.
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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Thursday, February 17, 2022 09:42:01
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    As I have already predicted, it has been brushed off by someone here as nothing to see here. It is only espionage and treason if a Republican
    or a right-wing mob does it. Otherwise, it falls under "nothing to
    see" or "voices (that) need to be heard" or "it was for the greater
    good."

    Yup. I noticed that the Propaganda Ministry also failed to report it (or waited a few days and spun it a different way to downplay it).

    Lefties are always "Rules for thee, but not for me." That's why they are panicing about the midterm elections. When their operatives are convicted for the crimes that they did, those operatives will start talking and the house of cards will fall.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Thursday, February 17, 2022 17:34:00
    Lefties are always "Rules for thee, but not for me." That's why they are panicing about the midterm elections. When their operatives are convicted for
    the crimes that they did, those operatives will start talking and the house of
    cards will fall.

    You are assuming that those operatives don't "commit suicide" by hanging themselves, or shooting themselves in the back of the head, all while
    having their hands tied behind their backs.

    Or be "shot and killed in a robbery" where, oddly, nothing is taken.

    Sadly, I feel you may assume too much there.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Friday, February 18, 2022 08:42:09
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    You are assuming that those operatives don't "commit suicide" by
    hanging themselves, or shooting themselves in the back of the head, all while having their hands tied behind their backs.

    Or be "shot and killed in a robbery" where, oddly, nothing is taken.

    Sadly, I feel you may assume too much there.

    Possibly. My assumption is that while a few "suicides" is chance, too many can't be passed off as "chance".


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, February 18, 2022 11:10:39
    On 16 Feb 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Just the standard Leftie talk when they get caught doing something
    illegal.
    "Nothing to see here." "It's just a right-wing conspiracy."

    So I guess that would be similar to the recent findings that the Clinton campaign paid a company to hack into Trump campaign compute to help push the Russian collusion theory?

    That does not sound at all like the modern equivalent of Watergate, does it?

    Actually, it sounds like espionage, and since one of those persons was a
    gov't
    employee at the time he was doing it to a sitting president, it also sou like treason.

    As I have already predicted, it has been brushed off by someone here as nothing to see here. It is only espionage and treason if a Republican
    or a right-wing mob does it. Otherwise, it falls under "nothing to see" or "voices (that) need to be heard" or "it was for the greater good."

    How's this conspiracy theory working out for you? Even Durham himself now
    wants nothing to do with the right wing's embellishments of his filings.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Friday, February 18, 2022 16:14:00
    You are assuming that those operatives don't "commit suicide" by
    hanging themselves, or shooting themselves in the back of the head, all while having their hands tied behind their backs.

    Or be "shot and killed in a robbery" where, oddly, nothing is taken.

    Sadly, I feel you may assume too much there.

    Possibly. My assumption is that while a few "suicides" is chance, too many can't be passed off as "chance".

    They have been so far. :O


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  • From Al Thompson@1:229/426.27 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, February 18, 2022 23:53:24
    on *16.02.22* at *14:38:30* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
    to *Ron L.* about *"Re: Nothing to see here"*.


    Sussmann was a former federal prosecutor, but was a lawyer working for a private firm (Perkins Coie) at the time of the alleged "hacking."

    You forgot to mention that some of Perkins Coie's clients were the DNC, Hillary for America, Obama for America, funded Fusion GPS, and was behind the creation of the Steele Dossier fraud.

    So that may not be the perfect alibi you want to think it is.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Al Thompson on Friday, February 18, 2022 23:40:36
    On 18 Feb 2022, Al Thompson said the following...

    Sussmann was a former federal prosecutor, but was a lawyer working fo private firm (Perkins Coie) at the time of the alleged "hacking."

    You forgot to mention that some of Perkins Coie's clients were the DNC, Hillary for America, Obama for America, funded Fusion GPS, and was
    behind the creation of the Steele Dossier fraud.

    All of which preceded Trump neing a "sitting president." Nice try, though.

    Jeff.

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  • From Al Thompson@1:229/426.27 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, February 19, 2022 02:07:22
    on *19.02.22* at *5:40:36* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
    to *Al Thompson* about *"Re: Nothing to see here"*.

    On 18 Feb 2022, Al Thompson said the following...

    Sussmann was a former federal prosecutor, but was a lawyer working
    fo
    private firm (Perkins Coie) at the time of the alleged "hacking."

    You forgot to mention that some of Perkins Coie's clients were the DNC,
    Hillary for America, Obama for America, funded Fusion GPS, and was
    behind the creation of the Steele Dossier fraud.

    All of which preceded Trump neing a "sitting president." Nice try,
    though.

    As did some of the alleged hacking. Nice try though.

    You just need to admit that the only real reason that Trump one, is because the DNC rigged their system so that Hillary was thei candidate. It shoudn't surprise anyone that if a party runs the most disliked candidate in history, they will lose, even to someone as unqualified as Trump.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Al Thompson on Saturday, February 19, 2022 02:05:57
    On 19 Feb 2022, Al Thompson said the following...
    All of which preceded Trump neing a "sitting president." Nice try, though.

    As did some of the alleged hacking. Nice try though.

    Ron claimed that the "hacking" was committed against a sitting president.
    Your claim that sadi "hacking" preceded Trump being a sitting president only solidifies the claim, rather than contradicts it. You are helping prove my point.

    You just need to admit that the only real reason that Trump one, is because the DNC rigged their system so that Hillary was thei candidate. It shoudn't surprise anyone that if a party runs the most disliked candidate in history, they will lose, even to someone as unqualified as Trump.

    This has nothing to do with the alleged "hacking," nor the alleged timeline thereof. The fact remains that the Clinton campaign, as well as the Obama administration, ceased to exist by the time that Trump was a sitting
    president. Any alleged "hacking" by either against a "sitting president" is temporally impossible. Nice try, though.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Al Thompson on Saturday, February 19, 2022 21:51:30
    Hello Al,

    Sussmann was a former federal prosecutor, but was a lawyer
    working
    fo
    private firm (Perkins Coie) at the time of the alleged
    "hacking."

    You forgot to mention that some of Perkins Coie's clients were the
    DNC,
    Hillary for America, Obama for America, funded Fusion GPS, and was
    behind the creation of the Steele Dossier fraud.

    All of which preceded Trump neing a "sitting president." Nice try,
    though.

    As did some of the alleged hacking. Nice try though.

    You just need to admit that the only real reason that Trump one, is because
    the DNC rigged their system so that Hillary was thei candidate. It shoudn't surprise anyone that if a party runs the most disliked candidate in history, they will lose, even to someone as unqualified as Trump.

    Even a poor candidate such as Hillary Clinton got more popular votes
    than Donald Trump. Talk about a loser. Not only did Trump lose the
    popular vote to a woman, but he also lost the popular vote (and the
    electoral vote) to an elderly man long past his prime. And now Trump
    wants to become not a two-time loser, but a three-time loser. For
    his next campaign, he should make "Born to Lose" his theme song ...

    --Lee

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    Be Stupid

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Al Thompson on Saturday, February 19, 2022 15:33:48
    On 19 Feb 2022, Al Thompson said the following...
    All of which preceded Trump neing a "sitting president." Nice try, though.

    As did some of the alleged hacking. Nice try though.

    If the hacking preceded Trump being a "sitting president," then it wasn't hacking of a "sitting president," was it?

    Also, the allegations of "hacking" are overblown. Nowhere in Durham's filings was the word "infiltration" used; Fox News added that to make it seem more
    than it was. Durham has since distanced himself from far-right
    interpretations of his filings. And he would know -- he wrote them.

    Jeff.

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