Except it's not a theory, there are many democrats on record who have admitted that is the reason they want open borders.

No, there aren't. It's a right-wing (and racist) talking point.

Just by the fact that you used "right-wing" and "racist" tells me your are lying...

Do you even know how the Supreme Court works? They can't rule on
something until it's brought before them. Of course they're not "jumping in on" anything; they can't.

Funny, they seemed to "jump in" on whether the Federal Government can sue Texas over it's abortion law.

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"criminals," "drug dealers," and even "animals." He referenced the concept when he referred to Haiti, El Salvador, and African countries as "s**thole countries" and openly wished that more immigrants came from countries like Norway.

I feel like the poohole country argument is used by both sides. The
Democrats use the "their country is a (something that sounds nicer than
poohole but means the same thing)" line whenever they defend why the
immigrants are coming.

The idea that Democrats are bringing immigrants here in order to reduce the influence of the overwhelmingly white Republican party is another rehash of the same white supremacist conspiracy theory. I mean, why else would one assume that all non-white immigrants would vote for Democrats?

When the Democrats start welcoming Cubans, Filipinos, Indians, or persons from other countries who they suspect may not fall in line with their liberal politics with the same vigor as they welcome the current immigrant groups, I might tend to agree with you. As it is, most of the immigrants that are being welcomed come from places that even the Democrats *think* are more likely to agree with their policies.

That is why many Democrats get upset when they realize folks from those
areas are not as easily predictable in the voting booth as they took for granted they would be. We've seen that. We saw in in the aftermath of
2016, so there is no pointing to that assumption as something that only Republicans would think.


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Probably because it's not true. The cartels don't traffick people. They charge them for protection and passage. That's still dispicable, but not human trafficking.

That is a very fine line and Jeff knows it.

By his definition:

Making money to illegally move people (possibly against their will) = trafficking.

Charging money to illegally move people = not trafficking

I suspect that the humanitarian groups that are against human trafficking
might have a different view than Jeff.


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On 23 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Except it's not a theory, there are many democrats on record who admitted that is the reason they want open borders.

No, there aren't. It's a right-wing (and racist) talking point.

Just by the fact that you used "right-wing" and "racist" tells me your
are lying...

Well, you don't hear any left-wingers using it, do you?

Do you even know how the Supreme Court works? They can't rule on something until it's brought before them. Of course they're not "jump in on" anything; they can't.

Funny, they seemed to "jump in" on whether the Federal Government can
sue Texas over it's abortion law.

No, they didn't. They had to wait for a case to be brought before them.

Jeff.

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On 23 Oct 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

"criminals," "drug dealers," and even "animals." He referenced the conce when he referred to Haiti, El Salvador, and African countries as "s**tho countries" and openly wished that more immigrants came from countries li Norway.

I feel like the poohole country argument is used by both sides. The Democrats use the "their country is a (something that sounds nicer than poohole but means the same thing)" line whenever they defend why the immigrants are coming.

Not quite. Democrats don't denigrate them while saying that they are
difficult and dangerous places to live, for certain people.

The idea that Democrats are bringing immigrants here in order to reduce influence of the overwhelmingly white Republican party is another rehash the same white supremacist conspiracy theory. I mean, why else would one assume that all non-white immigrants would vote for Democrats?

When the Democrats start welcoming Cubans, Filipinos, Indians, or
persons from other countries who they suspect may not fall in line with their liberal politics with the same vigor as they welcome the current immigrant groups, I might tend to agree with you. As it is, most of the immigrants that are being welcomed come from places that even the Democrats *think* are more likely to agree with their policies.

I have not heard any Democrats talk about refusing Cubans, Filipinos,
Indians, or people of any other nationality asylum. Refugees do have to be on US soil to claim asylum, though. I have not heard any Democrat argue against immigrants from any nationality, either. That the countries you mention are
not at the center of a current border crisis does not mean that refugees from those countries are not welcome.

That is why many Democrats get upset when they realize folks from those areas are not as easily predictable in the voting booth as they took for granted they would be. We've seen that. We saw in in the aftermath of 2016, so there is no pointing to that assumption as something that only Republicans would think.

I don't recall Democrats "getting upset" about any such thing.

Jeff.

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Just by the fact that you used "right-wing" and "racist" tells me you are lying...

Well, you don't hear any left-wingers using it, do you?

No, they didn't. They had to wait for a case to be brought before them.

Left wingers are racist and lier's... everything they touch they destroy.

Funny, they seemed to "jump in" on whether the Federal Government can sue Texas over it's abortion law.

No, they didn't. They had to wait for a case to be brought before them.

It is the fastest they have taken up a case, normally it takes months or years for them to take on a case.

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On 24 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Just by the fact that you used "right-wing" and "racist" tells m are lying...

No, they didn't. They had to wait for a case to be brought before the

Left wingers are racist and lier's... everything they touch they destroy.

Not true. Many of the rights and privileges you take for granted today were brought to you by left-wingers.

Funny, they seemed to "jump in" on whether the Federal Governmen sue Texas over it's abortion law.

No, they didn't. They had to wait for a case to be brought before the

It is the fastest they have taken up a case, normally it takes months or years for them to take on a case.

Nevertheless, there had to be a case for them to take up before they could do anything.

Jeff.

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Charging money to illegally move people = not trafficking

I suspect that the humanitarian groups that are against human trafficking might have a different view than Jeff.

He will do whatever it takes to try to justify every awful thing that Joe
does. Joe's really lucky to have people like that.

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I have not heard any Democrats talk about refusing Cubans, Filipinos, Indians, or people of any other nationality asylum. Refugees do have to be on US soil to claim asylum, though. I have not heard any Democrat argue against immigrants from any nationality, either. That the countries you mention are not at the center of a current border crisis does not mean that refugees from those countries are not welcome.

They are very quick to send Cubans back.

That is why many Democrats get upset when they realize folks from those areas are not as easily predictable in the voting booth as they took for granted they would be. We've seen that. We saw in in the aftermath of 2016, so there is no pointing to that assumption as something that only Republicans would think.

I don't recall Democrats "getting upset" about any such thing.

After the 2016 election, there were comments made similar to Joe's "if you ain't black" where non-conservative commentators were asking why Latinos
voted for Trump. I won't swear to it, but I also believe persons tied to
the Clinton campaign were asking the same question and were not happy with
the idea that Latinos didn't automatically vote Democrat.


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On 24 Oct 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

I have not heard any Democrats talk about refusing Cubans, Filipinos, Indians, or people of any other nationality asylum. Refugees do have to US soil to claim asylum, though. I have not heard any Democrat argue aga immigrants from any nationality, either. That the countries you mention not at the center of a current border crisis does not mean that refugees those countries are not welcome.

They are very quick to send Cubans back.

Wasn't it Trump who made deporting illegal immigrants a priority, and limited Cuban visas?

That is why many Democrats get upset when they realize folks from t areas are not as easily predictable in the voting booth as they too granted they would be. We've seen that. We saw in in the aftermat 2016, so there is no pointing to that assumption as something that Republicans would think.

I don't recall Democrats "getting upset" about any such thing.

After the 2016 election, there were comments made similar to Joe's "if
you ain't black" where non-conservative commentators were asking why Latinos voted for Trump. I won't swear to it, but I also believe
persons tied to the Clinton campaign were asking the same question and were not happy with the idea that Latinos didn't automatically vote Democrat.

I remember people being surprised that certain demographics didn't perform in the way that they predicted, but anger, unhappiness? Not really.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

Just by the fact that you used "right-wing" and "racist"

tells m

are lying...

No, they didn't. They had to wait for a case to be brought

before the

Left wingers are racist and lier's... everything they touch they

destroy.

Not true. Many of the rights and privileges you take for granted today were
brought to you by left-wingers.

I would not go so far as to make that claim. FDR had no ideology to
speak of, as his political views were all over the place. What he did
have, as most others like him (whether on the left or the right), was compassion. That is what made him such a great person, and leader.
For all of us.

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Left wingers are racist and lier's... everything they touch they dest

Not true. Many of the rights and privileges you take for granted today were brought to you by left-wingers.

Wrong again the right and privileges I have today were given to me by the founding fathers of this country. Now if your talking about liberals, I don't have problem with. Leftists or Progressives are evil and destroy everything they touch. The are all about power and control.

Nevertheless, there had to be a case for them to take up before they
could do anything.

And? They still took the case up faster that other cases...

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On 25 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Left wingers are racist and lier's... everything they touch they

Not true. Many of the rights and privileges you take for granted toda were brought to you by left-wingers.

Wrong again the right and privileges I have today were given to me by the founding fathers of this country. Now if your talking about liberals, I don't have problem with. Leftists or Progressives are evil and destroy everything they touch. The are all about power and control.

Nope. This country, and the rights and privileges enjoyed by its citizenry,
are quite different from its founding.

Leftists and progressives are liberals. They are not "evil," and do not "destroy everything they touch." That's the right-wing propaganda talking.

Nevertheless, there had to be a case for them to take up before they could do anything.

And? They still took the case up faster that other cases...

What started this conversation was you wondering why the Supreme Court had
not taken up an issue without a relevant case before them. Is your memory
that short?

Jeff.

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Nope. This country, and the rights and privileges enjoyed by its citizenry, are quite different from its founding.

Now your talking about the Bill of Rights... Yes that has changed since the founding, but it is the Founders who set in place the framework for the bill of rights...

Leftists and progressives are liberals. They are not "evil," and do not "destroy everything they touch." That's the right-wing propaganda
talking.

No liberals are liberals and leftists are leftists. Now a leftist may sau they are liberal but they are not as leftist like big government and it's control over the people. While liberals want to level income gap between groups they favor doing it through laws within the existing system. Leftists want the government to take control of the financial system and restart it to put everyone on the same playing field (With the exception of the ruling class) So yes everything the left touches it destroys, name one thing the left has done that it hasn't destroyed. Here is a good example from todays headlines, squad member Ilhan Omar early on was a proponent of "Defund the Police". Now after there has been a huge crime increase in Minneapolis here district do she walk that back? No she blames the police... Everything the left touches it destroys...

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On 26 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Nope. This country, and the rights and privileges enjoyed by its citizenry, are quite different from its founding.

Now your talking about the Bill of Rights... Yes that has changed since the founding, but it is the Founders who set in place the framework for the bill of rights...

I'm not talking about just the bill of rights, or even all of the amendments
in total. Things have changed much more than that.

Leftists and progressives are liberals. They are not "evil," and do n "destroy everything they touch." That's the right-wing propaganda talking.

No liberals are liberals and leftists are leftists. Now a leftist may
sau they are liberal but they are not as leftist like big government and it's control over the people. While liberals want to level income gap between groups they favor doing it through laws within the existing system. Leftists want the government to take control of the financial system and restart it to put everyone on the same playing field (With
the exception of the ruling class) So yes everything the left touches it destroys, name one thing the left has done that it hasn't destroyed.
Here is a good example from todays headlines, squad member Ilhan Omar early on was a proponent of "Defund the Police". Now after there has
been a huge crime increase in Minneapolis here district do she walk that back? No she blames the police... Everything the left touches it destroys...

If that's your definition of "leftist," then very few people in America today are leftists. "Defund the Police" was an unfortunate slogan that does not
mean what it sounds like, although conservatives would very much like it to.

"The left" actually comes from the seating arrangement in England's
Parliament. The more progressive members gravitate toward the left side of
the chamber, while the more conservative members gravitate toward the right.

You, or the people who are programming you, seem to have developed a unique vocabulary that does not conform to what the rest of the world uses.

(Hint: That's a MAJOR sign that you're in a cult.)

Jeff.

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On 26 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

No liberals are liberals and leftists are leftists. Now a leftist may
sau they are liberal but they are not as leftist like big government and it's control over the people.

Could it be that "liberal" just doesn't have the sting it used to, 40 years ago? Is "leftist" the new "liberal?" Is it an attempt to dredge up images of "leftist guerrilas" fighting the the right-wing puppet governments
supported by the US in Central America in the 80s?

While liberals want to level income gap
between groups they favor doing it through laws within the existing system. Leftists want the government to take control of the financial system and restart it to put everyone on the same playing field (With
the exception of the ruling class)

Eric Bolling, who was fired from Fox News in 2017 and now works for Newsmax, recently accused Chris Wallace of Fox News of being a leftist. What do you suppose Bolling meant by this? Was Bolling saying that Wallace supports "tak[ing] control of the financial system and restart[ing] it?" Do you
believe this?

So yes everything the left touches it
destroys, name one thing the left has done that it hasn't destroyed.

By the ordinary definition of "the left," there is much that they have
touched without destroying. The people who founded this country were the leftists of their day, seeking to "fundamentally change" the hierarchy of monarchism in favor of a new system.

Here is a good example from todays headlines, squad member Ilhan Omar early on was a proponent of "Defund the Police". Now after there has
been a huge crime increase in Minneapolis here district do she walk that back? No she blames the police... Everything the left touches it destroys...

"Defund the police" did not mean to defund them entirely. It meant to scale back their funding, let them focus on law & order, and repurpose the excess funding for social services that could better address those situations which police are expected but not trained to address. But you knew that, right?

Are you aware that the Minneapolis police were not actually defunded? Are
you aware that over 200 officers quit after the 2020 riots?

Jeff.

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I suspect that the humanitarian groups that are against human trafficking
might have a different view than Jeff.

He will do whatever it takes to try to justify every awful thing that Joe does. Joe's really lucky to have people like that.

Indeed he is.


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On 26 Oct 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

I suspect that the humanitarian groups that are against human trafficking
might have a different view than Jeff.

If you're referring to the people seeking asylum, I suspect you'd be wrong. "Human trafficking" means something entirely different to Aaron than it does
to the rest of the world. To the rest of the world, it means people being bought and sold like slaves. To Aaron, it means people who pay other people
to guide or deliver them to a destination.

He will do whatever it takes to try to justify every awful thing that Jo does. Joe's really lucky to have people like that.

Aaron is assuming that Biden has done awful things. That's a big assumption.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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On 26 Oct 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

On 26 Oct 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

I suspect that the humanitarian groups that are against human trafficking
might have a different view than Jeff.

If you're referring to the people seeking asylum, I suspect you'd be wrong. "Human trafficking" means something entirely different to Aaron than it does to the rest of the world. To the rest of the world, it
means people being bought and sold like slaves. To Aaron, it means
people who pay other people to guide or deliver them to a destination.

He will do whatever it takes to try to justify every awful thing th does. Joe's really lucky to have people like that.

Aaron is assuming that Biden has done awful things. That's a big assumption.

Have you been asleep these past ten months?
Things are not going well for sleepy Joe, his poll numbers are very bad.


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Trump Numbers
October 27, 2017
APP INDEX STRGLY APPROVE STRGLY DISAPPROVE TTLAL APPROVE TOTAL DISAPPROVE
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Biden Numbers
-27 21% 48% 42% 56%

Keep in mind this is the closest that Trump and Biden will ever be.
Things are going to get MUCH MUCH worse as time goes forward.
I will keep an eye on this and I will show you what exactly I mean when I say Biden is a Train-wreck.
I am not afraid of these facts because the numbers that I indicate here
in the future will prove my point.

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On 26 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

Aaron is assuming that Biden has done awful things. That's a big assumption.

Have you been asleep these past ten months?
Things are not going well for sleepy Joe, his poll numbers are very bad.

And yet, Biden's poll numbers are not as bad as Trump's were at the same point in his presidency. Or were you asleep for those four years?

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

Nope. This country, and the rights and privileges enjoyed by its
citizenry, are quite different from its founding.

Now your talking about the Bill of Rights... Yes that has changed since the
founding, but it is the Founders who set in place the framework for the bill of rights...

I didn't know that. It was always my thinking the US Constitution
was passed and ratified by the states (13 originals) before any
amendments were added.

The first ten amendments are known as the Bill of Rights. They
remain part of the US Constitution, and have never been repealed.
Other amendments were added later, with only one of them being
repealed (prohibition). And there will be more to come. Perhaps
a new "bill of rights" would be just what this country needs.
Which is what FDR would have done had he not died so young.

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Hello Jeff,

Aaron is assuming that Biden has done awful things. That's a big
assumption.

Have you been asleep these past ten months?
Things are not going well for sleepy Joe, his poll numbers are very

bad.

And yet, Biden's poll numbers are not as bad as Trump's were at the same point in his presidency. Or were you asleep for those four years?

In the race to the bottom, Trump always wins.

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If you're referring to the people seeking asylum, I suspect you'd be wrong. "Human trafficking" means something entirely different to Aaron than it does to the rest of the world. To the rest of the world, it
means people being bought and sold like slaves. To Aaron, it means
people who pay other people to guide or deliver them to a destination.

Human trafficking is the exploitation of people, whether it's for sexual slavery, low-wage labor schemes, or for redistricting. Whatever it takes to mak the lying lefties happy.

What's exploitation mean? Joe's using and manipulating them. He's also making them bend over for middle-men, instead of bringing them here on direct flights from their home countries. You act like you enjoy the horrors of it all, because you're a grown man, and you think that women and children should be able to tough it out like a hardass from the military would. That's inhumane. It's 2021, we have planes, we have airports, and obviously there's coming here to help Joe out with his little redistricting scheme, so why does he make them crawl through the mud just so they can serve him? It's sick, and you and Alec Baldwin are to blame.

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On 27 Oct 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

If you're referring to the people seeking asylum, I suspect you'd be wrong. "Human trafficking" means something entirely different to Aaro than it does to the rest of the world. To the rest of the world, it means people being bought and sold like slaves. To Aaron, it means people who pay other people to guide or deliver them to a destination

Human trafficking is the exploitation of people, whether it's for sexual slavery, low-wage labor schemes, or for redistricting. Whatever it takes to mak the lying lefties happy.

The refugees requesting asylm are not being exploited. If they are granted
even temporary asylum, they are legally eligible to work after about 6
months. Because they are legally able to work, their immigration status
cannot be used to exploit them. People who come here illegally specifically
to work cannot work legally, and can be coerced into working very low wages
or worse because they cannot go to any authorities without revealing their illegal status.

"Human trafficking" is "the unlawful act of transporting or coercing people
in order to benefit from their work or service, typically in the form of
forced labor or sexual exploitation."

The asylum-seekers who turn themelves in at the border are not victims of
human trafficking.

Again, you are confusing two very different groups of people.

Jeff.

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I'm not talking about just the bill of rights, or even all of the amendments in total. Things have changed much more than that.

Funny, since that is the guidance for our country (hence is a law constitutional or not) Maybe you could give a list of exactly what has changed.

If that's your definition of "leftist," then very few people in America today are leftists. "Defund the Police" was an unfortunate slogan that does not mean what it sounds like, although conservatives would very
much like it to.

No my definition of leftist is exactly that the far left progressives try to push the radical socialist agenda in USA.

"The left" actually comes from the seating arrangement in England's Parliament. The more progressive members gravitate toward the left side
of the chamber, while the more conservative members gravitate toward the right.

Yes I know where LEFT and Right comes from, but a leftist or progressive is the far left field of the political spectrum.

You, or the people who are programming you, seem to have developed a unique vocabulary that does not conform to what the rest of the world uses.

(Hint: That's a MAJOR sign that you're in a cult.)

First no one "programs me" and maybe you need to get outside the bubble you live in because the vocabulary I use is easily identifiable to everyone... If you have a problem with it, maybe it is you that is in a cult...

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Could it be that "liberal" just doesn't have the sting it used to, 40 years ago? Is "leftist" the new "liberal?" Is it an attempt to dredge up images of "leftist guerrilas" fighting the the right-wing puppet governments supported by the US in Central America in the 80s?

Nope, Leftist or progressives are to the far left of the political system trying to push there socialist agenda on the USA and the world.

Eric Bolling, who was fired from Fox News in 2017 and now works for Newsmax, recently accused Chris Wallace of Fox News of being a leftist. What do you suppose Bolling meant by this? Was Bolling saying that
Wallace supports "tak[ing] control of the financial system and restart[ing] it?" Do you believe this?

Well Chris Wallace said Jen Psaki is one of the best press secretaries.....

By the ordinary definition of "the left," there is much that they have touched without destroying. The people who founded this country were the leftists of their day, seeking to "fundamentally change" the hierarchy of monarchism in favor of a new system.

Nope sorry no bait and switch here bucko. You like to play fast and loose with things and I am damn sure not talking about left or right in gneral political terms I am talking about the extreme left or progressives which control the democratic party today.

Now give me one thing the left has touched that it hasn't destroyed....

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On 28 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

I'm not talking about just the bill of rights, or even all of the amendments in total. Things have changed much more than that.

Funny, since that is the guidance for our country (hence is a law constitutional or not) Maybe you could give a list of exactly what has changed.

Yes, it is the guideline as to whether a law is constitutional or not, but
many laws have been passed that were constitutional and also expanded on citizens' rights and privileges. Like the right to use the same water
fountain as someone else. The Constitution itself relegated slaves to being just 3/5 of a person.

If that's your definition of "leftist," then very few people in Ameri today are leftists. "Defund the Police" was an unfortunate slogan tha does not mean what it sounds like, although conservatives would very much like it to.

No my definition of leftist is exactly that the far left progressives
try to push the radical socialist agenda in USA.

That's an incorrect definition, then.

"The left" actually comes from the seating arrangement in England's Parliament. The more progressive members gravitate toward the left si of the chamber, while the more conservative members gravitate toward right.

Yes I know where LEFT and Right comes from, but a leftist or progressive is the far left field of the political spectrum.

So now leftists and progressives are the same? In your last post, a leftist
was far worse (in your opinion) that a progressive. You seem confused.

You, or the people who are programming you, seem to have developed a unique vocabulary that does not conform to what the rest of the world uses.
(Hint: That's a MAJOR sign that you're in a cult.)

First no one "programs me" and maybe you need to get outside the bubble you live in because the vocabulary I use is easily identifiable to everyone... If you have a problem with it, maybe it is you that is in a cult...

Sure they "program" you. You choose to get your news and information from somewhere. Your definition of "progressive" isn't even consistent from one
post to the next.

Jeff.

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On 28 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Could it be that "liberal" just doesn't have the sting it used to, 40 years ago? Is "leftist" the new "liberal?" Is it an attempt to dredge images of "leftist guerrilas" fighting the the right-wing puppet governments supported by the US in Central America in the 80s?

Nope, Leftist or progressives are to the far left of the political system trying to push there socialist agenda on the USA and the world.

They are not so far left as you might imagine.

Eric Bolling, who was fired from Fox News in 2017 and now works for Newsmax, recently accused Chris Wallace of Fox News of being a leftis What do you suppose Bolling meant by this? Was Bolling saying that Wallace supports "tak[ing] control of the financial system and restart[ing] it?" Do you believe this?

Well Chris Wallace said Jen Psaki is one of the best press secretaries.....

And therefore Chris Wallace supports "tak[ing] control of the financial
system and restart[ing] it?"

Somehow I strongly doubt that.

It's much more likely that "leftist" is a label that some conservatives use
to slur people who don't agree with them, much like "liberal" and "socialist" before it.

By the ordinary definition of "the left," there is much that they hav touched without destroying. The people who founded this country were leftists of their day, seeking to "fundamentally change" the hierarch monarchism in favor of a new system.

Nope sorry no bait and switch here bucko. You like to play fast and
loose with things and I am damn sure not talking about left or right in gneral political terms I am talking about the extreme left or
progressives which control the democratic party today.

There is no bait and switch here. The founders were the leftists of their
day. The abolitionists were the leftists of their day. The suffragettes were the leftists of their day. The civil rights leaders were the leftists of
their day. What defines leftists is their attempt to alter the social order. What defines conservatives is their resistance to such change.

Now give me one thing the left has touched that it hasn't destroyed....

I gave you several.

Jeff.

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If that's your definition of "leftist," then very few people in America today are leftists. "Defund the Police" was an unfortunate slogan that does not mean what it sounds like, although conservatives would very much like it to.

No my definition of leftist is exactly that the far left progressives try to p
h the radical socialist agenda in USA.

The definition of "Defund the Police" depends on which leftist you ask.
People like Jeff-T try to paint it like it means moving funding and responsibilities from the police to "others" who are better equipped for
those responsibilities. The reason that many conservatives feel it means
"take all funding from the police" is because that is what many leftist protesters seem to also think it means when a mic is stuck in their faces.

There are also some progressive politicians who seem confused about the meaning.

Incidentally, some of those responsibilities used to reside with other
groups. For example, the police and sherrif's offices in my state picked
up responsibilities that social workers used to have. They picked these responsibilities up because unarmed social workers were being shot and
killed, and the state cabinet the social workers work for no longer wanted
them going into potentially violent situations.

So, at best, social workers are accompanied by the police, if the social
worker is present at all. I doubt that my state is the only one that has encountered this issue in the past.

I doubt that experienced social workers, and other like them, are too
excited about possibly going back out on those calls alone if the police
should ever be "defunded" from going with them.


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Mike Powell wrote to JEFF SQUIRES <=-

The definition of "Defund the Police" depends on which leftist you ask. People like Jeff-T try to paint it like it means moving funding and responsibilities from the police to "others" who are better equipped
for those responsibilities. The reason that many conservatives feel it means "take all funding from the police" is because that is what many leftist protesters seem to also think it means when a mic is stuck in their faces.

There are also some progressive politicians who seem confused about the meaning.

That's because the meaning has, and will continue to, change depending on
what the Left wants it to mean at the time.

NOTHING the Left says should be taken as "true" in any meaning of the word.


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The definition of "Defund the Police" depends on which leftist you ask.

Horseshit.

“Defund the police” means reallocating or redirecting funding away from
the police department to other government agencies funded by the local municipality. That’s it. It’s that simple. Defund does not mean abolish policing.

source: brookings.edu

People like Jeff-T try to paint it like it means moving funding and responsibilities from the police to "others" who are better equipped for those responsibilities.

Horseshit.

The reason that many conservatives feel it means
"take all funding from the police" is because that is what many leftist protesters seem to also think it means when a mic is stuck in their faces.

Horseshit.

There are also some progressive politicians who seem confused about the meaning.

Horseshit.

Bernie Sanders is not confused. AOC is not confused. Joe Biden
is not confused. Kamala Harris is not confused.

The only person who seems to be confused is the horse's ass who
made the claim that it means whatever a "leftist" wants it to mean.

The Brookings Institute stands behind the definition as posted
on its site. And so should we all, regardless of political affiliation.
After all, that is exactly what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.

Incidentally, some of those responsibilities used to reside with other groups.

Such as the Ku Klux Klan? No thanks. I have already met David Duke.

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On 30 Oct 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Horseshit.
Horseshit.
Horseshit.

I must concur. Wrongly accusing liberals of believing that "Defund the Police" means abolishing police departments, only to then turn around and tell them that the belief you just assigned to them is stupid is, well, stupid.

Jeff.

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Yes, it is the guideline as to whether a law is constitutional or not,
but many laws have been passed that were constitutional and also
expanded on citizens' rights and privileges. Like the right to use the same water fountain as someone else. The Constitution itself relegated slaves to being just 3/5 of a person.

You left out part of it...
"Article one, section two of the Constitution of the United States declared that any person who was not free would be counted as three-fifths of a free individual for the purposes of determining congressional representation. The "Three-Fifths Clause" thus increased the political power of slaveholding states."
So it was only for congressional representation. Of course what you typed just proves my point more that This country is guided by the Constitution.

That's an incorrect definition, then.

From the Urban Dictionary:
"A person belonging to the political left and usually identifying with the radical, anti capitalist, or revolutionary sectors of left politics. Includes anarchists, marxists, communists, socialists, and all other explicitly radical left ideologies.
That guy's a total leftist, his pantry is full of Molotov cocktails and nothing else."

Nuff said.

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So now leftists and progressives are the same? In your last post, a leftist was far worse (in your opinion) that a progressive. You seem confused.

Nope sorry I said leftists and liberals are not the same. Keep up with the conversation or stay on the porch...

Sure they "program" you. You choose to get your news and information from somewhere. Your definition of "progressive" isn't even consistent from
one post to the next.

Sorry my definition stays the same, period. You like to wander all over the place to try to prove your points...

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Nope, Leftist or progressives are to the far left of the political sy trying to push there socialist agenda on the USA and the world.

They are not so far left as you might imagine.

Oh believe me I know how far left they are...

Well Chris Wallace said Jen Psaki is one of the best press secretaries.....

And therefore Chris Wallace supports "tak[ing] control of the financial system and restart[ing] it?"

I think Chris Wallace wants to be adored by the elite. A lot of things he has said make him suspect at least.

Nope sorry no bait and switch here bucko. You like to play fast and loose with things and I am damn sure not talking about left or right gneral political terms I am talking about the extreme left or progressives which control the democratic party today.

There is no bait and switch here. The founders were the leftists of their day. The abolitionists were the leftists of their day. The suffragettes were the leftists of their day. The civil rights leaders were the
leftists of their day. What defines leftists is their attempt to alter
the social order. What defines conservatives is their resistance to such change.

While you want to use that a a definition, but in fact the founders were not leftists of there day. Leftism (marxism) did not enter the US till the 1840's with waves of German immigrants from the revolutions of 1848.

Now give me one thing the left has touched that it hasn't destroyed..

I gave you several.

You have given none...

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On 31 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Yes, it is the guideline as to whether a law is constitutional or not but many laws have been passed that were constitutional and also expanded on citizens' rights and privileges. Like the right to use th same water fountain as someone else. The Constitution itself relegate slaves to being just 3/5 of a person.

You left out part of it...
"Article one, section two of the Constitution of the United States declared that any person who was not free would be counted as
three-fifths of a free individual for the purposes of determining congressional representation. The "Three-Fifths Clause" thus increased
the political power of slaveholding states."
So it was only for congressional representation. Of course what you
typed just proves my point more that This country is guided by the Constitution.

Yep, for congressional representation the Constitution relegated slaves to being just 3/5 of a person. That type of thinking no longer guides this country.

That's an incorrect definition, then.

From the Urban Dictionary:

Nice source. That's not the real definition, though.

Nuff said.

You haven't really said anything at all.

Jeff.

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On 31 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

So now leftists and progressives are the same? In your last post, a leftist was far worse (in your opinion) that a progressive. You seem confused.

Nope sorry I said leftists and liberals are not the same. Keep up with
the conversation or stay on the porch...

What you said was, "Leftist[sic] or progressives are to the far left of the political spectrum."

Sure they "program" you. You choose to get your news and information somewhere. Your definition of "progressive" isn't even consistent fro one post to the next.

Sorry my definition stays the same, period. You like to wander all over the place to try to prove your points...

Is it, though? Not really.

Jeff.

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On 31 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Nope, Leftist or progressives are to the far left of the politic trying to push there socialist agenda on the USA and the world.

They are not so far left as you might imagine.

Oh believe me I know how far left they are...

There you go equating leftists and progressives again, despite claiming that you never did...

Well Chris Wallace said Jen Psaki is one of the best press secretaries.....

And therefore Chris Wallace supports "tak[ing] control of the financi system and restart[ing] it?"

I think Chris Wallace wants to be adored by the elite. A lot of things
he has said make him suspect at least.

Or maybe he's just not parroting the right-wing propaganda as well as he
should be.

Nope sorry no bait and switch here bucko. You like to play fast loose with things and I am damn sure not talking about left or r gneral political terms I am talking about the extreme left or progressives which control the democratic party today.

Here again is another instance where you claimed that progressives are on the extreme left.

There is no bait and switch here. The founders were the leftists of t day. The abolitionists were the leftists of their day. The suffragett were the leftists of their day. The civil rights leaders were the leftists of their day. What defines leftists is their attempt to alte the social order. What defines conservatives is their resistance to s change.

While you want to use that a a definition, but in fact the founders were not leftists of there day. Leftism (marxism) did not enter the US till
the 1840's with waves of German immigrants from the revolutions of 1848.

Leftism is not synonymous with Marxism. There were a political left and right long before Karl Marx was even born. The American revolutionaries very much supported "fundamental changes to the country," which you may recognize as
the term you used to describe the type of change that conservatives do not like. And there were American colonists who opposed this fundamental change
and remained loyal to the king.

Jeff.

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Lee Lofaso wrote to ALL <=-

The definition of "Defund the Police" depends on which leftist you ask.

Horseshit.

Lefties always project. "Horseshit" is the accurate definition of the stuff you push.

source: brookings.edu

Leftie "sources" aren't sources.

Horseshit.

But this type of response is usual from Lefties who have no argument, no facts.
They have nothing to rebut the statements by others.

In other words, they lost the argument. They know it. They cannot accept it. So they resort to name calling.

Bernie Sanders is not confused. AOC is not confused. Joe Biden
is not confused. Kamala Harris is not confused.

Then you've never heard any of them speak in the last year.

The only person who seems to be confused is the horse's ass who
made the claim that it means whatever a "leftist" wants it to mean.

And we are back to ad hominem attacks when a Leftie can't produce any meaningful argument.

Such as the Ku Klux Klan? No thanks. I have already met David Duke.

Figures. The KKK was the Left Wing enforcement arm for decades.


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On 28 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Yes I know where LEFT and Right comes from, but a leftist or progressive is the
far left field of the political spectrum.

Here is yet another example of you equating leftists and progressives.

But I'm curious: You say that leftists and progressives as "far left field
of the political spectrum," which strongly implies that there exists a "near left field." Who do you envision inhabiting this portion of the political spectrum?

Or do you see the political spectrum as consisting of:
1. The far right,
2. The right,
3. The center right, and
4. The far left?

You seem pretty convinced that all liberals are die-hard Marxists, from Joe Biden to members of the actual Communist Party. Is that really the case, or
is there some stretching of the truth going on?

Jeff.

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On 31 Oct 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...

Such as the Ku Klux Klan? No thanks. I have already met David Duke.

Figures. The KKK was the Left Wing enforcement arm for decades.

Wrong, buddy. The KKK was populated by Southern Democrats for decades, but
they were hardly "Left Wing." You are mistaken in thinking that the conservative/liberal, right/left division between Republicans and Democrats
has always been as it is today, which it most definitely has not.

And we are back to ad hominem attacks when a Leftie can't produce any meaningful argument.

Or maybe it's that you know that the Southern Democrats of the era were very conservative, but just had to get an ad hominem attack in yourself?

The definition of "Defund the Police" depends on which leftist you as

Horseshit.

Lefties always project. "Horseshit" is the accurate definition of the stuff you push.

Projection of projection is the ultimate projection.

source: brookings.edu

Leftie "sources" aren't sources.

Sure they are. And they're consistently far better sources than Facebook posts or YouTube videos.

Leftie "sources" aren't sources.

Horseshit.

But this type of response is usual from Lefties who have no argument, no facts. They have nothing to rebut the statements by others.
In other words, they lost the argument. They know it. They cannot
accept it. So they resort to name calling.

"Horsesh!t" is a direct refutation of the argument being presented, not name-calling. It's also true in this case, where an argument is so utterly
and obviously false that no other rebuttal is needed.

Jeff.

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Jeff Thiele wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

"Horsesh!t" is a direct refutation of the argument being presented, not name-calling. It's also true in this case, where an argument is so
utterly and obviously false that no other rebuttal is needed.

You seem to continue to hold the belief that anyone cares about what you say, think, etc.

All you do is parrot the false Leftie Narrative.

No wonder why you have to keep posting the Trolling Diatribes every so often. It's the only way you can get people to keep responding to you.

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“Defund the police” means reallocating or redirecting funding away from the police department to other government agencies funded by the local municipality. That’s it. It’s that simple. Defund does not
mean abolish policing.

For the people who live in Minneapolis, it means literally erasing their city police department.

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On 01 Nov 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...

"Horsesh!t" is a direct refutation of the argument being presented, n name-calling. It's also true in this case, where an argument is so utterly and obviously false that no other rebuttal is needed.

You seem to continue to hold the belief that anyone cares about what you say, think, etc.

Nice try at a save, but no. You spouted your "Lefties always this, Lefties always that" narrative and got it wrong. But you can't admit that, can you?

All you do is parrot the false Leftie Narrative.

You're the parrot, Ron. "Squawk! Lefties always this! Squawk! Lefties always that! Squawk! Elites! Squawk! Leftie Narrative! Squawk!"

No wonder why you have to keep posting the Trolling Diatribes every so often. It's the only way you can get people to keep responding to you.

That makes no sense. If no one responds to me, why do people respond to me? You're contradicting yourself.

Jeff.

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Lee Lofaso wrote to ALL <=-

The definition of "Defund the Police" depends on which leftist you ask.

Horseshit.

"Defund the police" means reallocating or redirecting funding away from the police department to other government agencies funded by the local municipality. That's it. It's that simple. Defund does not mean abolish policing.

source: brookings.edu

The fact that the term has taken off like wildfire shows how gullible the voting public is, and that people concerned with "defunding police" haven't seen police used by default because when you pay over 30%-45% of your city budgets to police departments (as some municipalities do here) and there's
not a lot of money left over for social programs, mental programs and
homeless shelters. Get the people some help, get them the mental care they need, and you won't need as many police.











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Nope sorry no bait and switch here bucko. You like to play fast and loose with things and I am damn sure not talking about left or right
gneral political terms I am talking about the extreme left or progressives which control the democratic party today.

There is no bait and switch here. The founders were the leftists of their
day. The abolitionists were the leftists of their day. The suffragettes were the leftists of their day. The civil rights leaders were the leftists of their day. What defines leftists is their attempt to alter the social order. What defines conservatives is their resistance to such change.

While you want to use that a a definition, but in fact the founders were not leftists of there day. Leftism (marxism) did not enter the US till the 1840's th waves of German immigrants from the revolutions of 1848.

He is confusing liberal ideas with far-left ideas. The founders wanted a government, not anarchy and not one with strong central powers. The abolishionists wanted to end slavery... although there were some like John Brown who might very well have also wanted anarachy, most did not and many objected to slavery for religious reasons, something that doesn't usually
jibe at all with leftist ideaology. Etc., etc...

Jeff-T wants to paint the leftist, and today's progressives, with the same brushes as members of several of these other, often heroic, groups. He wants you to ignore the marxism and whatever else just under that thin coat he has spread on them. Red bleeds through most other colors of paint pretty
easily, though.


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On 01 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

While you want to use that a a definition, but in fact the founders were leftists of there day. Leftism (marxism) did not enter the US till the 1 th waves of German immigrants from the revolutions of 1848.

He is confusing liberal ideas with far-left ideas. The founders wanted a government, not anarchy and not one with strong central powers. The abolishionists wanted to end slavery... although there were some like
John Brown who might very well have also wanted anarachy, most did not
and many objected to slavery for religious reasons, something that
doesn't usually jibe at all with leftist ideaology. Etc., etc...

To be fair, though, to hear you tell it everyone who is not a conservative is far-left. You never mention any run-of-the-mill liberals; everyone that you disagree with gets labeled a hardcore far-left extremist.

Me, for example. Biden, for example.

The abolition of slavery was a huge upset to the existing traditions and socioeconomic hierarchy of the mid-19th century. While it's true that some abolitionists opposed slavery on religious grounds, it's also true that many conservatives attempted to use religion to justify slavery.

The founders disagreed on how powerful the federal government should be, but
in the end they pretty much all agreed that it should be more powerful than that established by the Articles of Confederation. Otherwise, we'd still be living under the Articles of Confederation.

Jeff-T wants to paint the leftist, and today's progressives, with the
same brushes as members of several of these other, often heroic, groups. He wants you to ignore the marxism and whatever else just under that
thin coat he has spread on them. Red bleeds through most other colors
of paint pretty easily, though.

On the contrary, it is you and others in this group that paint liberals with the socialist/Marxist/anarchist brush. When things are said like, "Biden
wants to turn America into Venezuela," etc., who is wielding that brush?

You can't label all liberals as extremists and then complain that liberals
are being unfairly labeled as extremists. Well, technically you can, but it's very disingenuous.

Jeff.

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Kurt Weiske wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

The fact that the term has taken off like wildfire shows how gullible
the voting public is, and that people concerned with "defunding police" haven't seen police used by default because when you pay over 30%-45%
of your city budgets to police departments (as some municipalities do here) and there's not a lot of money left over for social programs,
mental programs and homeless shelters. Get the people some help, get
them the mental care they need, and you won't need as many police.

Wow. A new Leftie Narrative about "defunding the police" that's based on complete BS.

We already have help for people with mental issues. It's been around for decades. Why do we need more now? Could it be that the Dems have bee taking funding away from those programs over the years? That's been the case for decades in my area.

This is yet another example of how the Dems cause a problem only to turn around and say "give us some more money/power and we'll fix it."


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On 02 Nov 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...

Wow. A new Leftie Narrative about "defunding the police" that's based on complete BS.

<Squawk!>Leftie Narrative!<Squawk!>

We already have help for people with mental issues. It's been around for decades. Why do we need more now? Could it be that the Dems have bee taking funding away from those programs over the years? That's been the case for decades in my area.

It's been missing for decades. You think it was the Democrats who took
funding away from mental health services and ramped up funding and militarization of the police? Try Ronald Reagan. I suppose you might consider him a liberal by today's standards, but he was most definitely a conservative (and a Republican) back in the day.

Thanks for the laugh, though. Maybe brush up on your history a bit while
you're at it.

Jeff.

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Hello Kurt,

The definition of "Defund the Police" depends on which leftist you ask.

Horseshit.

"Defund the police" means reallocating or redirecting funding away from
the police department to other government agencies funded by the local
municipality. That's it. It's that simple. Defund does not mean abolish
policing.

source: brookings.edu

The fact that the term has taken off like wildfire shows how gullible the voting public is, and that people concerned with "defunding police" haven't
seen police used by default because when you pay over 30%-45% of your city budgets to police departments (as some municipalities do here) and there's not a lot of money left over for social programs, mental programs and homeless shelters. Get the people some help, get them the mental care they need, and you won't need as many police.

There is no "depending on who you ask" about what the term means.
Those who love a police state object to people protesting what has
been going on in this country since its founding.

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Hello Aaron,

Defund the police means reallocating or redirecting funding LL>away from

the police department to other government agencies LL>funded by the local municipality. That's it. It's that simple. LL>Defund does not mean abolish policing.

For the people who live in Minneapolis, it means literally erasing their city police department.

Horseshit.

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He is confusing liberal ideas with far-left ideas. The founders wanted a
government, not anarchy and not one with strong central powers. The abolishionists wanted to end slavery... although there were some like John Brown who might very well have also wanted anarachy, most did not and many objected to slavery for religious reasons, something that doesn't usually jibe at all with leftist ideaology. Etc., etc...

To be fair, though, to hear you tell it everyone who is not a conservative is far-left. You never mention any run-of-the-mill liberals; everyone that you disagree with gets labeled a hardcore far-left extremist.

Me, for example. Biden, for example.

For you, it seems to fit. For Biden personally, I did not used to think
so. He at least plays it up better with the far-left now than he used to, probably because he knows he cannot get support from his own party without doing so.

The abolition of slavery was a huge upset to the existing traditions and socioeconomic hierarchy of the mid-19th century. While it's true that some abolitionists opposed slavery on religious grounds, it's also true that many conservatives attempted to use religion to justify slavery.

This is not false. Other conservatives knew it was going to end
eventually but, for whatever reason, didn't want the Federal Government
telling them to do so. Jefferson Davis himself said that, if the
Confederacy survived the war, they needed a plan to integrate the
newly-freed slaves as citizens.

The founders disagreed on how powerful the federal government should be, but in the end they pretty much all agreed that it should be more powerful than that established by the Articles of Confederation. Otherwise, we'd still be living under the Articles of Confederation.

Yes, but they left most powers to the states.

You can't label all liberals as extremists and then complain that liberals are being unfairly labeled as extremists. Well, technically you can, but it's very disingenuous.

Aside from Dale, I do not think this echo has any liberals in the classic sense, and I personally don't remember ever calling him an extremist.
Matter of fact, I am pretty sure I have at least once singled him out as
the only non-conservative here that I didn't think would do (insert something stupid a leftist would do here), and that is because I don't see him as a leftist.

Back in the days of the USSR, they would embelish stories about the West in such a way to make thier citizens feel that they should feel sorry for
those of us in Capitalist countries. The Left in the US today has adopted similar tactics to try to make our own citizens feel guity about enjoying freedom and other benefits of living in a free society. I can probably go through your posts from today alone and find where you are using the same tactics to try to make someone here feel bad about favoring Capitalism or
their western way of life.

If you don't want to get painted with that extremist brush, stop using
their tactics.


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On 02 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

To be fair, though, to hear you tell it everyone who is not a conservati far-left. You never mention any run-of-the-mill liberals; everyone that disagree with gets labeled a hardcore far-left extremist.
Me, for example. Biden, for example.

For you, it seems to fit. For Biden personally, I did not used to think so. He at least plays it up better with the far-left now than he used
to, probably because he knows he cannot get support from his own party without doing so.

What do you see as being the views of the not-so-far-left?

The abolition of slavery was a huge upset to the existing traditions and socioeconomic hierarchy of the mid-19th century. While it's true that so abolitionists opposed slavery on religious grounds, it's also true that conservatives attempted to use religion to justify slavery.

This is not false. Other conservatives knew it was going to end eventually but, for whatever reason, didn't want the Federal Government telling them to do so. Jefferson Davis himself said that, if the Confederacy survived the war, they needed a plan to integrate the newly-freed slaves as citizens.

And yet they went to war to oppose the end of slavery. Their intention was that, for them, it not end. Nobody goes to war with the intention of
eventually losing.

And the bigger point is that preserving existing traditions and the social hieararchy was the conservative view then as now. Maybe the issues have changed, but the thinking is the same.

The founders disagreed on how powerful the federal government should be, in the end they pretty much all agreed that it should be more powerful t that established by the Articles of Confederation. Otherwise, we'd still living under the Articles of Confederation.

Yes, but they left most powers to the states.

Most, but not all.

You can't label all liberals as extremists and then complain that libera are being unfairly labeled as extremists. Well, technically you can, but very disingenuous.

Aside from Dale, I do not think this echo has any liberals in the classic sense, and I personally don't remember ever calling him an extremist. Matter of fact, I am pretty sure I have at least once singled him out as the only non-conservative here that I didn't think would do (insert something stupid a leftist would do here), and that is because I don't
see him as a leftist.

Clearly you've never met a liberal extremist, then.

Back in the days of the USSR, they would embelish stories about the West in such a way to make thier citizens feel that they should feel sorry for those of us in Capitalist countries. The Left in the US today has
adopted similar tactics to try to make our own citizens feel guity about enjoying freedom and other benefits of living in a free society. I can probably go through your posts from today alone and find where you are using the same tactics to try to make someone here feel bad about
favoring Capitalism or their western way of life.

I believe that capitalism has its good points, but unfettered capitalism emphasizes all of the wrong things. I prefer a mixed economy.

If you don't want to get painted with that extremist brush, stop using their tactics.

Pointing out the flaws in unfettered capitalism predates the Soviet Union by quite some time. See for example "A Modest Proposal," published by Jonathan Swift in 1829, and the concept of the "Tragedy of the Commons," first introduced in an 1833 essay by William Forster Lloyd. The works of Charles Dickens are also a good example.

Jeff.

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The founders disagreed on how powerful the federal government should be
in the end they pretty much all agreed that it should be more powerful that established by the Articles of Confederation. Otherwise, we'd stil
living under the Articles of Confederation.

Yes, but they left most powers to the states.

Most, but not all.

They left enough. The liberals and left have seen their way to erroding several since.

Aside from Dale, I do not think this echo has any liberals in the classic
sense, and I personally don't remember ever calling him an extremist. Matter of fact, I am pretty sure I have at least once singled him out as the only non-conservative here that I didn't think would do (insert something stupid a leftist would do here), and that is because I don't see him as a leftist.

Clearly you've never met a liberal extremist, then.

So you are the one saying that Dale is one?

I believe that capitalism has its good points, but unfettered capitalism emphasizes all of the wrong things. I prefer a mixed economy.

There are plenty of countries that would offer that to you. Several speak English, are more green power friendly, and have better climates. I am
sure that Alan would welcome you to British Columbia, for example.

If you don't want to get painted with that extremist brush, stop using their tactics.

Pointing out the flaws in unfettered capitalism predates the Soviet Union by quite some time. See for example "A Modest Proposal," published by Jonathan Swift in 1829, and the concept of the "Tragedy of the Commons," first introduced in an 1833 essay by William Forster Lloyd. The works of Charles Dickens are also a good example.

You cut out the part where I actually described the tactics... how people
in capitalist countries should be felt sorry for, or how they should feel
guity for being in one. That is a few steps left of simply pointing out flaws... something that even those of us right-of-center folks do.


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On 03 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

The founders disagreed on how powerful the federal government sho

Yes, but they left most powers to the states.

Most, but not all.

They left enough. The liberals and left have seen their way to erroding several since.

None of the rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights are absolute. They would
be unworkable if they were.

Aside from Dale, I do not think this echo has any liberals in the classic
sense, and I personally don't remember ever calling him an extremis

Clearly you've never met a liberal extremist, then.

So you are the one saying that Dale is one?

I didn't say that he is, or that he isn't. You brought up Dale.

What I was getting at is that we have different definitions of liberal extremists, as I do not consider myself one but you are quite adamant that I am.

I believe that capitalism has its good points, but unfettered capitalism emphasizes all of the wrong things. I prefer a mixed economy.

There are plenty of countries that would offer that to you. Several
speak English, are more green power friendly, and have better climates.
I am sure that Alan would welcome you to British Columbia, for example.

Likewise, there are several countries that would offer you the unfettered capitalism you seek. Somalia, for example.

If you don't want to get painted with that extremist brush, stop us their tactics.

Pointing out the flaws in unfettered capitalism predates the Soviet Unio quite some time. See for example "A Modest Proposal," published by Jonat Swift in 1829, and the concept of the "Tragedy of the Commons," first introduced in an 1833 essay by William Forster Lloyd. The works of Charl Dickens are also a good example.

You cut out the part where I actually described the tactics... how people in capitalist countries should be felt sorry for, or how they should feel guity for being in one. That is a few steps left of simply pointing out flaws... something that even those of us right-of-center folks do.

Do you think that Jonathan Swift and Charles Dickens weren't trying to guilt people out of their behavior?

Jeff.

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What you said was, "Leftist[sic] or progressives are to the far left of the political spectrum."

They are.... and there politics are being rejected as evidenced by last Tuesdays election results.

Is it, though? Not really.

Yep really, really...

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There you go equating leftists and progressives again, despite claiming that you never did...

Wrong, I did equate leftists and progressive, I didn't equate Leftists and Liberals...

I think Chris Wallace wants to be adored by the elite. A lot of thing he has said make him suspect at least.

Or maybe he's just not parroting the right-wing propaganda as well as he should be.

Funny from someone who parrots left wing propaganda...

Here again is another instance where you claimed that progressives are
on the extreme left.

They are, I suppose you think there moderates...

Leftism is not synonymous with Marxism. There were a political left and right long before Karl Marx was even born. The American revolutionaries very much supported "fundamental changes to the country," which you may recognize as the term you used to describe the type of change that conservatives do not like. And there were American colonists who opposed this fundamental change and remained loyal to the king.

Leftism is synonymous with Marxism, you seem to confuse leftism (Marxism) with being just being on the left when in fact it is the extreme far left.

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I believe that capitalism has its good points, but unfettered capitalis
emphasizes all of the wrong things. I prefer a mixed economy.

There are plenty of countries that would offer that to you. Several speak English, are more green power friendly, and have better climates. I am sure that Alan would welcome you to British Columbia, for example.

Likewise, there are several countries that would offer you the unfettered capitalism you seek. Somalia, for example.

But not the safety, or freedoms, I have here. I named a place that is safe
and should avail you the amount of freedom you desire. It would not force
you to change your way of life much at all, other than possibly accepting
some additional government intrusions in exchange for a larger social
safety net and more green-friendly initiatives, which you seem open to.

I don't find Canada distasteful myself, even though their politics is left
of what I am used to, so I never imagined you would.


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far left field of the political spectrum.

Here is yet another example of you equating leftists and progressives.

But I'm curious: You say that leftists and progressives as "far left
field of the political spectrum," which strongly implies that there
exists a "near left field." Who do you envision inhabiting this portion
of the political spectrum?

Or do you see the political spectrum as consisting of:
1. The far right,
2. The right,
3. The center right, and
4. The far left?

Nope,
1. Far Right
2. Right
3. Center
4. Left
5. Far Left
Most Americans fall into the center/center-right/center left category. Progressives and Leftists fall in to the Far Left category...

You seem pretty convinced that all liberals are die-hard Marxists, from Joe Biden to members of the actual Communist Party. Is that really the case, or is there some stretching of the truth going on?

Never said liberals are Marxists, I have said progressives and leftists are die hard Marxists. Joe Biden while claiming to be from the middle is in fact governing from the far left. Even Bill Clinton saw the righting on the wall and turned from his far left governing ideas and moved to the center.

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On 04 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

There you go equating leftists and progressives again, despite claimi that you never did...

Wrong, I did equate leftists and progressive, I didn't equate Leftists
and Liberals...

The Oxford definition of "leftism" is "the political views or policies of the left." Inasmuch as liberals are solidly on the left, yes you did.

I think Chris Wallace wants to be adored by the elite. A lot of he has said make him suspect at least.

Or maybe he's just not parroting the right-wing propaganda as well as should be.

Funny from someone who parrots left wing propaganda...

It's not propaganda if it's supported by facts and reason.

Here again is another instance where you claimed that progressives ar on the extreme left.

They are, I suppose you think there moderates...

Some are, some aren't.

Leftism is not synonymous with Marxism. There were a political left a right long before Karl Marx was even born. The American revolutionari very much supported "fundamental changes to the country," which you m recognize as the term you used to describe the type of change that conservatives do not like. And there were American colonists who oppo this fundamental change and remained loyal to the king.

Leftism is synonymous with Marxism, you seem to confuse leftism
(Marxism) with being just being on the left when in fact it is the
extreme far left.

The Oxford definition of "leftism" is "the political views or policies of the left. It makes no mention of Marxism. "Rightism" and "rightist" follow the
same etymological pattern but likewise make no mention of specific right-wing ideologies or policies.

Jeff.

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On 04 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

I believe that capitalism has its good points, but unfettered capitalis
emphasizes all of the wrong things. I prefer a mixed economy.

There are plenty of countries that would offer that to you. Severa speak English, are more green power friendly, and have better clima I am sure that Alan would welcome you to British Columbia, for exam

Likewise, there are several countries that would offer you the unfettere capitalism you seek. Somalia, for example.

But not the safety, or freedoms, I have here.

Well, that's your call.

I named a place that is
safe and should avail you the amount of freedom you desire. It would
not force you to change your way of life much at all, other than
possibly accepting some additional government intrusions in exchange for
a larger social safety net and more green-friendly initiatives, which
you seem open to.

And so I should move so that you can keep this country backwards? I have just as much of a claim to it as you do.

I don't find Canada distasteful myself, even though their politics is
left of what I am used to, so I never imagined you would.

Somalia is safe, if you have money. You have money, right?

Jeff.

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On 04 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

But I'm curious: You say that leftists and progressives as "far left field of the political spectrum," which strongly implies that there exists a "near left field." Who do you envision inhabiting this porti of the political spectrum?
Or do you see the political spectrum as consisting of:
1. The far right,
2. The right,
3. The center right, and
4. The far left?

Nope,
1. Far Right
2. Right
3. Center
4. Left
5. Far Left
Most Americans fall into the center/center-right/center left category. Progressives and Leftists fall in to the Far Left category...

Except that the definition of "leftist" is someone whose views are to the
left of center...

You seem pretty convinced that all liberals are die-hard Marxists, fr Joe Biden to members of the actual Communist Party. Is that really th case, or is there some stretching of the truth going on?

Never said liberals are Marxists, I have said progressives and leftists are die hard Marxists. Joe Biden while claiming to be from the middle is in fact governing from the far left. Even Bill Clinton saw the righting
on the wall and turned from his far left governing ideas and moved to
the center.

The definition of "progressive" is "a group, person, or idea favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas."

Biden is hardly far-left. What aspects of his agenda do you consider to be far-left?

Jeff.

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On 04 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

What you said was, "Leftist[sic] or progressives are to the far left the political spectrum."

They are.... and there politics are being rejected as evidenced by last Tuesdays election results.

I suppose you think that a top tax rate of 90% to fund programs intended to help out the greater good is "socialist."

Are you aware that in 1955, the top income tax rate was 91% for income over $200,000? It was during this era that the Eisenhower administration created
the interstate highway system.

In 1965, the top income tax rate was 70% for income over $100,000. During
this era we put men on the moon.

The interesting part is that all of this took place against the backdrop of
the Cold War, when we were determined to defeat socialism and make the world safe for democracy. Do you see the problem here?

The country *fighting* socialism and *defending* democracy had top income tax rates from 70-91%!

Why do you suppose that no one stopped and said, "Hey, that's socialism!" ? Could it be because it's *not*???

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

far left field of the political spectrum.

Here is yet another example of you equating leftists and

progressives.

But I'm curious: You say that leftists and progressives as "far left
field of the political spectrum," which strongly implies that there
exists a "near left field." Who do you envision inhabiting this

portion

of the political spectrum?

Or do you see the political spectrum as consisting of:
1. The far right,
2. The right,
3. The center right, and
4. The far left?

Nope,
1. Far Right
2. Right
3. Center
4. Left
5. Far Left
Most Americans fall into the center/center-right/center left category.

Joe Biden received over 7 million more votes than Donald Trump
in the last election. If you combine the other candidates with Biden's,
that makes it 10 million more votes than Donald Trump.

Progressives and Leftists fall in to the Far Left category...

See above.

In fact, Democrats took over the House, the Senate, and the White
House. So you can't blame it all on Joe Biden.

If your theory is correct, that means Donald Trump and his ilk
are leftists who fall into the far left category ...

You seem pretty convinced that all liberals are die-hard Marxists, from
Joe Biden to members of the actual Communist Party. Is that really the
case, or is there some stretching of the truth going on?

Never said liberals are Marxists, I have said progressives and leftists are
die hard Marxists.

That explains why Donald Trump got along so great with Vladimir
Putin and that North Korean punk.

Joe Biden while claiming to be from the middle is in fact governing from the
far left. Even Bill Clinton saw the righting on the wall and turned from his far left governing ideas and moved to the center.

Bill Clinton beat the pants off incumbent Bush41 with his battle cry
being "It's the economy, stupid!" And then he did it as the incumbent
against Bob Dole, a disabled veteran of WWII. Newt Gingrich and the
tea party got so mad about that they got him impeached. For all the
wrong reasons.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinski!"
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Naturally, the Senate concurred and allowed Bill Clinton to remain
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I don't find Canada distasteful myself, even though their politics is left of what I am used to, so I never imagined you would.

Somalia is safe, if you have money. You have money, right?

It is safe if you have money until someone kills you for it.


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What you said was, "Leftist[sic] or progressives are to the far left of the political spectrum."

They are.... and there politics are being rejected as evidenced by last Tuesda
election results.

Maybe Jeff-T thinks you can go farther to the Left than "far Left." <shrugs>


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You seem pretty convinced that all liberals are die-hard Marxists, from Joe Biden to members of the actual Communist Party. Is that really the case, or is there some stretching of the truth going on?

Never said liberals are Marxists, I have said progressives and leftists are di
hard Marxists.

I think he is starting to do the Jeff-T Twist on you there. Queue up some Chubby Checker and enjoy the show!

Even Bill Clinton saw the righting on the wall and turned
from his far left governing ideas and moved to the center.

Clinton's problem, his first two years, where that he also had a Democrat majority who couldn't agree on anything and, every time he would take a moderate position publically, Hillary would turn around & contradict him publicly with a left-leaning counterposition.

After the first mid-term election swept Republicans in, she seemed to quit doing that so much. Not sure if she quit or someone made her, but things changed.


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On 05 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

I don't find Canada distasteful myself, even though their politics left of what I am used to, so I never imagined you would.

Somalia is safe, if you have money. You have money, right?

It is safe if you have money until someone kills you for it.

That's why you buy people off and hire personal security forces. The entire situation is entirely unregulated, of course. The market will sort it out.

Jeff.

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On 05 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

What you said was, "Leftist[sic] or progressives are to the far lef the political spectrum."

They are.... and there politics are being rejected as evidenced by last Tuesda
election results.

Maybe Jeff-T thinks you can go farther to the Left than "far Left."

Nope, but you can go farther to the right without being "rightist."

Jeff.

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On 05 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

You seem pretty convinced that all liberals are die-hard Marxists, Joe Biden to members of the actual Communist Party. Is that really case, or is there some stretching of the truth going on?

Never said liberals are Marxists, I have said progressives and leftists di
hard Marxists.

I think he is starting to do the Jeff-T Twist on you there. Queue up
some Chubby Checker and enjoy the show!

Nope, it is Mr. Squires doing the Twist, using a faulty definition of leftist that he apparently got from the "Urban Dictionary."

Jeff.

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On 04 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

What you said was, "Leftist[sic] or progressives are to the far left the political spectrum."

They are.... and there politics are being rejected as evidenced by last Tuesdays election results.

So the election was the far left against... everyone else?

By the way, it turns out that Glenn Youngkin's 17-year old son tried to vote
-- twice -- in this week's election. Put that in your voter-fraud pipe and smoke it.

Jeff.

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Wrong, I did equate leftists and progressive, I didn't equate Leftist and Liberals...

The Oxford definition of "leftism" is "the political views or policies
of the left." Inasmuch as liberals are solidly on the left, yes you did.

You know my Dad told me about people like you... SMUG
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Nope,
1. Far Right
2. Right
3. Center
4. Left
5. Far Left
Most Americans fall into the center/center-right/center left category Progressives and Leftists fall in to the Far Left category...

Except that the definition of "leftist" is someone whose views are to the left of center...

Except to most that is NOT the definition used to describe those who are left of center, that definition is moderate
CULTURAL DEFINITIONS FOR LEFTIST
leftist
One who holds a left-wing viewpoint; someone who seeks radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality. (From Dictionary.com)

The definition of "progressive" is "a group, person, or idea favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas."

Biden is hardly far-left. What aspects of his agenda do you consider to
be far-left?

Again you can use a dictionary definition but in fact almost anyone reading what I have typed know what I meant. Again you failed to read what I said, I said Binden is governing from the far left. A good is example is the 3 trillion dollar social utopian boondoggle he is pushing to get passed. Survey after survey have shown most don't wand it and think we can't afford it.
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They are.... and there politics are being rejected as evidenced by la Tuesdays election results.

So the election was the far left against... everyone else?

Yep, just about everyplace a far left candidate or issue was run it was defeated. What I find more amazing is how the media now attacking the first black Lt. Governor for Virginia and a former marine.

By the way, it turns out that Glenn Youngkin's 17-year old son tried to JT> vote -- twice -- in this week's election. Put that in your voter-fraud JT> pipe and smoke it.

Your correct he tried to vote twice. But clearing up the deception of the media mob he miss understood the voting age in Virginia. If he had voted (or voted twice) he should have been investigated and prosecuted like any other person attempting voter fraud. Seems all the media mob can do is try to attack those on the right (or anyone note following there agenda).
BTW here is REAL voter fraud: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-elections-wisconsin-election-2020-48a4d6d2 ba8aea187cef8059ad0e98db

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Again you can use a dictionary definition but in fact almost anyone reading wh
I have typed know what I meant. Again you failed to read what I said, I said nden is governing from the far left. A good is example is the 3 trillion dolla
social utopian boondoggle he is pushing to get passed. Survey after survey hav
shown most don't wand it and think we can't afford it.
#BuildBackBroke

I know we can't afford it. Others believe we can afford it just because it makes it into the budget. We can print more money, right? Post WWI
Germany thought that, too. That didn't end well at all.


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On 07 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Wrong, I did equate leftists and progressive, I didn't equate Le and Liberals...

The Oxford definition of "leftism" is "the political views or policie of the left." Inasmuch as liberals are solidly on the left, yes you d

You know my Dad told me about people like you... SMUG
The Oxford Definition: looking or feeling too pleased about something
you have done or achieved.

I'm not too pleased. Why should I be too pleased? It's because I'm right,
isn't it? Are those sour grapes I smell?

Jeff.

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On 07 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Except that the definition of "leftist" is someone whose views are to left of center...

Except to most that is NOT the definition used to describe those who are left of center, that definition is moderate

Moderate what? How do you differentiate between someone who's just to the
left of center from someone who's just to the right of center? Come on, you
can say it... the term is... "moderate leftist."

CULTURAL DEFINITIONS FOR LEFTIST
leftist
One who holds a left-wing viewpoint; someone who seeks radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality. (From Dictionary.com)

Well, imagine that. "Leftists" hold a "left-wing viewpoint." I'm stunned. As far as seeking radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality, yeah, that's true of most liberals.

The definition of "progressive" is "a group, person, or idea favoring implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas."
Biden is hardly far-left. What aspects of his agenda do you consider be far-left?

Again you can use a dictionary definition but in fact almost anyone reading what I have typed know what I meant. Again you failed to read
what I said, I said Binden is governing from the far left. A good is example is the 3 trillion dollar social utopian boondoggle he is pushing to get passed. Survey after survey have shown most don't wand it and
think we can't afford it. #BuildBackBroke

We can afford it; we just need to raise taxes on people earning more than $400,000 a year. We've traditionally had tax rates on high incomes that
were much higher than now; for example, 91% in the 50s (when the interstate highway system was built) and 70% in the 60s (when we put men on the moon).

Also, shoring up our infrastructure is not a "utopian boondoggle."

We recently had to have our roof replaced when we started noticing water
damage inside the house. We could have said, "we can't afford this," or "working roofs are just a utopian boondoggle," but no. We had the roof replaced. I doubt that you would have done differently in the same situation.
I know that you like to compare your country to your house where immigration
is concerned; you can make the same comparison with infrastructure.

Jeff.

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On 07 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

They are.... and there politics are being rejected as evidenced Tuesdays election results.

So the election was the far left against... everyone else?

Yep, just about everyplace a far left candidate or issue was run it was defeated. What I find more amazing is how the media now attacking the first black Lt. Governor for Virginia and a former marine.

Several positions did fall to Republicans, but several others did not. I wouldn't put too much weight on it.

Is the media "attacking" Virginia's Lt. Governor for being black? Are they "attacking" the Lt. Governor for being a former marine? Or are they
"attacking" based on political leanings?

By the way, it turns out that Glenn Youngkin's 17-year old son tried t

vote -- twice -- in this week's election. Put that in your voter-f

pipe and smoke it.

Your correct he tried to vote twice. But clearing up the deception of
the media mob he miss understood the voting age in Virginia. If he had

Right, sure he did. Crystal Mason was sentenced to 5 years in prison for
voting while on parole. She claims that she did not know it was illegal (her ballot was not counted). Apparently ignorance is no excuse.

The media did report that he misunderstood the voting age. That would be understandable had he tried it just once. But no, he then tried again.

voted (or voted twice) he should have been investigated and prosecuted like any other person attempting voter fraud. Seems all the media mob

He attempted to vote, which is attempted voter fraud. Had he actually voted, that would have been voter fraud.

can do is try to attack those on the right (or anyone note following
there agenda). BTW here is REAL voter fraud: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-elections-wisconsin-election-2020-48a ba8aea187cef8059ad0e98db

I can't really follow links on the Apple IIgs that I use for BBSing, but I
did do a search based on some of the keywords in the link. It looks to relate to articles concerning a Wisconsin election audit.

It's interesting that you wold claim that "all the media mob can do is try to attack those on the right" and then follow that up with an apnews link which you claim contains evidence of the "REAL" (which I assume means Democrat)
voter fraud. Do you not see the contradiction?

At any rate, there is no evidence of widespread voter or election fraud in
the 2020 election. As soon as there is more than speculation or unfounded accusations, I think we'll all know about it.

On a related note, Mike Lindell (the Pillow Guy, in case you opt to feign ignorance of who he is) has said that he will present irrefutable evidence of widespread voter fraud (meaning, enough to have altered the outcome of the election) to the Supreme Court by Thanksgiving. I, for one, cannot wait.

Jeff.

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On 07 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

I have typed know what I meant. Again you failed to read what I said, I nden is governing from the far left. A good is example is the 3 trillion dolla
social utopian boondoggle he is pushing to get passed. Survey after surv hav
shown most don't wand it and think we can't afford it.
#BuildBackBroke

I know we can't afford it. Others believe we can afford it just because it makes it into the budget. We can print more money, right? Post WWI Germany thought that, too. That didn't end well at all.

We could afford a two-decade-long war in Afganistan, though, right? And not just a war, but a massive infrastructure upgrade. But we can't afford that
for ourselves?

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

[..]

By the way, it turns out that Glenn Youngkin's 17-year old son tried to
vote -- twice -- in this week's election. Put that in your voter-fraud
pipe and smoke it.

Your correct he tried to vote twice. But clearing up the deception of the media mob he miss understood the voting age in Virginia.

You are a total idiot. To believe a kid did not know his own age.
What a doofus you are.

If he had voted (or voted twice) he should have been investigated and prosecuted like any other person attempting voter fraud.

He is a juvenile who attempted (unsuccessfully) to vote. Had he
actually succeeded, those who allowed him to vote would have been
severely reprimanded, and undoubtedly fired. With the juvenile
sent to a detention home so as to learn from his mistake.

But you are the idiot who believes a kid did not know his own age.
So bully on you.

Seems all the media mob can do is try to attack those on the right (or anyone note following there agenda).

I am not part of any "media mob". I am not attacking "those on the
right". Or on the left for that matter. But I am noting the words of
a total idiot who believes a kid did not know his own age.

BTW here is REAL voter fraud:

No widespread voter fraud found by any courts. Despite what
Donald Trump has claimed, and continues to claim.

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Hello Mike,

I don't find Canada distasteful myself, even though their politics is
left of what I am used to, so I never imagined you would.

Somalia is safe, if you have money. You have money, right?

It is safe if you have money until someone kills you for it.

Somalia is a very safe country. According to Mike. After all,
most people in Somalia have no money.

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Hello Mike,

[..]

Even Bill Clinton saw the righting on the wall and turned
from his far left governing ideas and moved to the center.

Clinton's problem, his first two years, where that he also had a Democrat majority who couldn't agree on anything and, every time he would take a moderate position publically, Hillary would turn around & contradict him publicly with a left-leaning counterposition.

Bill Clinton had to deal with a Republican majority in both houses
during the last six years of his administration, you stupid fuck.

And Hillary Clinton was first lady the whole time, never POTUS,
regardless of how much Newt Gingrich and the Tea Party objected.

You really are a stupid fuck. Not just a dumb fuck, but a stupid
fuck. A dumb and stupid fuck.

After the first mid-term election swept Republicans in, she seemed to quit doing that so much. Not sure if she quit or someone made her, but things changed.

Yeah, after six years of Republican misrule of both houses of Congress,
and then eight years of misrule by GWB, the American people finally
got tired of it all and welcomed Barack Obama (a black man) and the
Democrats back to DC, thus returning fiscal sanity to the US.

--Lee

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Hello Jeff,

I have typed know what I meant. Again you failed to read what I

said, I

nden is governing from the far left. A good is example is the 3

trillion

dolla
social utopian boondoggle he is pushing to get passed. Survey after

surv

hav
shown most don't wand it and think we can't afford it.
#BuildBackBroke

I know we can't afford it. Others believe we can afford it just

because

it makes it into the budget. We can print more money, right? Post

WWI

Germany thought that, too. That didn't end well at all.

We could afford a two-decade-long war in Afganistan, though, right? And not
just a war, but a massive infrastructure upgrade. But we can't afford that for ourselves?

GWB borrowed from future generations to pay for his wars of choice
in Afghanistan and Iraq. Do realize those payments will come due over
time, and somebody will have to actually pay the bills. Of course,
we could always default on the loan and let somebody else pick up
the tab - such as China.

But hey. Joe has a plan. And he got the Congress to go along.
Soak the rich. But spread it out over a 20 year period. That way,
those who are getting soaked will never know it, or even feel it.
Until it is too late. Way too late ...

--Lee

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You know my Dad told me about people like you... SMUG
The Oxford Definition: looking or feeling too pleased about something you have done or achieved.

I'm not too pleased. Why should I be too pleased? It's because I'm right, isn't it? Are those sour grapes I smell?

Nope it's your smugness....

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I know we can't afford it. Others believe we can afford it just because it makes it into the budget. We can print more money, right? Post WWI Germany thought that, too. That didn't end well at all.

We could afford a two-decade-long war in Afganistan, though, right? And not just a war, but a massive infrastructure upgrade. But we can't afford that for ourselves?

We've been around on this one before. I didn't support us being there, and wonder why Obama the 8-year Democrat President, didn't manage to get us out like he claimed he would.


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Except to most that is NOT the definition used to describe those who left of center, that definition is moderate

Moderate what? How do you differentiate between someone who's just to the left of center from someone who's just to the right of center? Come on, you can say it... the term is... "moderate leftist."

Nope moderate, can be to the right or left, there still moderate.

Well, imagine that. "Leftists" hold a "left-wing viewpoint." I'm
stunned. As far as seeking radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality, yeah, that's true of most liberals.

No, most liberals want smaller government, you don't even understand what liberalism is: Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.
Not level the playing field by wealth redistribution.
1.
willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
2.
relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
You tend to fail at both of those...

think we can't afford it. #BuildBackBroke

We can afford it; we just need to raise taxes on people earning more than $400,000 a year. We've traditionally had tax rates on high incomes that were much higher than now; for example, 91% in the 50s (when the interstate highway system was built) and 70% in the 60s (when we put men on the moon).

Well do you realize that most people who have small business fall into the $400,000 a year category. So taxing them more means the will invest less into the economy. Of course it doesn't matter to you or your ilk you just love spending other people money...

Also, shoring up our infrastructure is not a "utopian boondoggle."

If that is what the money actually went to it would be great but most of it going to green new deal crap and other huge wastes of money.

We recently had to have our roof replaced when we started noticing water damage inside the house. We could have said, "we can't afford this," or "working roofs are just a utopian boondoggle," but no. We had the roof replaced. I doubt that you would have done differently in the same situation. I know that you like to compare your country to your house where immigration is concerned; you can make the same comparison with infrastructure.

Funny you use this house metaphor, because the house is yours and yes if you want to keep it from falling down you need to maintain it... Same with infrastructure, it should be done locally. So if our city needs new sewers we raise the money LOCALLY to fund it. You didn't run over to your neighbors and demand he cough up some money for your roof...

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On 08 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

You know my Dad told me about people like you... SMUG
The Oxford Definition: looking or feeling too pleased about some you have done or achieved.

I'm not too pleased. Why should I be too pleased? It's because I'm ri isn't it? Are those sour grapes I smell?

Nope it's your smugness....

Nah, you just don't like being wrong.

Jeff.

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On 08 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

I know we can't afford it. Others believe we can afford it just be it makes it into the budget. We can print more money, right? Post Germany thought that, too. That didn't end well at all.

We could afford a two-decade-long war in Afganistan, though, right? And just a war, but a massive infrastructure upgrade. But we can't afford th for ourselves?

We've been around on this one before. I didn't support us being there, and wonder why Obama the 8-year Democrat President, didn't manage to get us out like he claimed he would.

It doesn't matter if you supported it or not; we still managed to pay for it somehow.

Jeff.

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On 08 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Except to most that is NOT the definition used to describe those left of center, that definition is moderate

Moderate what? How do you differentiate between someone who's just to left of center from someone who's just to the right of center? Come o you can say it... the term is... "moderate leftist."

Moderates populate the center part of the spectrum, but "moderate leftists"
are still a thing.

Well, imagine that. "Leftists" hold a "left-wing viewpoint." I'm stunned. As far as seeking radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality, yeah, that's true of most liberals.

No, most liberals want smaller government, you don't even understand what liberalism is: Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.

I think you might mean "libertarian."

1.
willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

I'm open to plenty of new ideas. It would seem to be you that doesn't want anything to change.

2.
relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.

I am for those things as well, although in certain cases I support a mixed economy and government regulation of business to maintain a free and fair market.

We can afford it; we just need to raise taxes on people earning more $400,000 a year. We've traditionally had tax rates on high incomes th were much higher than now; for example, 91% in the 50s (when the interstate highway system was built) and 70% in the 60s (when we put on the moon).

Well do you realize that most people who have small business fall into
the $400,000 a year category. So taxing them more means the will invest less into the economy. Of course it doesn't matter to you or your ilk
you just love spending other people money...

Are you actually saying that most small business owners make (in salary, not business revenues) in excess of $400,000/year?

And you fail to realize that paying income tax is optional. If you don't want to pay it, reduce your earnings. Your hypothetical small business owner could take $399,999.99 for himself from his business profits and put the rest into something else: perhaps paying his employees more, expanding his business, or upgrading his equipment.

You're also failing to realize that the money that the government collects
for taxes does in fact go back into the economy. That *is* what you meant by "spending other people's money," right? It gets spent?

So you're doubly wrong on that one.

Also, shoring up our infrastructure is not a "utopian boondoggle."

If that is what the money actually went to it would be great but most of it going to green new deal crap and other huge wastes of money.

Prove it.

We recently had to have our roof replaced when we started noticing wa damage inside the house. We could have said, "we can't afford this," "working roofs are just a utopian boondoggle," but no. We had the roo replaced. I doubt that you would have done differently in the same situation. I know that you like to compare your country to your house where immigration is concerned; you can make the same comparison with infrastructure.

Funny you use this house metaphor, because the house is yours and yes if you want to keep it from falling down you need to maintain it... Same
with infrastructure, it should be done locally. So if our city needs new sewers we raise the money LOCALLY to fund it. You didn't run over to
your neighbors and demand he cough up some money for your roof...

If you're allowed to use your front door as a metaphor for the entire
southern US border, then I'm allowed to use my house as a metaphor for the whole country. Asking my neighbor to pay for my infrastructure would
be... well, like asking Mexico to builld a wall or something.

Jeff.

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Jeff Squires wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

Nope moderate, can be to the right or left, there still moderate.

To ultra-Lefties, everything not ultra-left is ultra-right.

No, most liberals want smaller government, you don't even understand
what liberalism is:

This is part of the naming problem today. Lefties like to take a word and redefine its meaning.

Most of us remember "Liberals" are squarely in the Conservative part of the political spectrum today.

That's why I purposely use the term "Leftie" or "The Left" to describe these people. The classical Liberals are our allies today.

Well do you realize that most people who have small business fall into
the $400,000 a year category. So taxing them more means the will invest less into the economy. Of course it doesn't matter to you or your ilk
you just love spending other people money...

Remember that Lefties completely failed their Economics classes. Their financial failures are another reason they like Socialism.

Funny you use this house metaphor, because the house is yours and yes
if you want to keep it from falling down you need to maintain it...
Same with infrastructure, it should be done locally. So if our city
needs new sewers we raise the money LOCALLY to fund it. You didn't run over to your neighbors and demand he cough up some money for your
roof...

But that's how Socialists think.

Here in Michigan, the city of Flint completely failed to update their water infratructure (i.e. lead pipes), then completely failed to manage their money, then pissed off their biggest tax payer (i.e. GM) who left the area, then put a moron in charge of figuring out how to pay for water (they were paying Detroit who raised the prices after they crashed and burned) who then decided to use a water source with more acid content - which leached the lead out of the pipes.

But somehow the whole state of Michigan and Federal Gov't need to pay to fix it.

But I have a better idea: Take every mayor of Flint (past and present) along with every Flint city councel member (past and present) and take all their assets to pay to fix the problem - that they caused.


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You didn't run over to your neighbors and demand he cough
up some money for your roof...

Are you sure he didn't?


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On 09 Nov 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...

No, most liberals want smaller government, you don't even understand what liberalism is:

This is part of the naming problem today. Lefties like to take a word
and redefine its meaning.
Most of us remember "Liberals" are squarely in the Conservative part of the political spectrum today.

Do you, Ron? Do you remember when "liberal" was an insult applied to anyone
who wasn't conservative? I do.

Here are a few lies from the late Rush Limbaugh, but pay close attention to
his usage of the words "liberal" and "liberalism." Note how he allows for no distinction between liberalism, Marxism, communism, and socialism.

"Liberalism, communism, socialism are about denying individual liberty and creating a collective with a top down command-and-control government and economy. Conservatives are individuals and not activists at all, and so there is no such strategy to bend, shape, and form a country." -- Rush Limbaugh

"Leftists are activists. This is a strategy. Liberalism, communism,
socialism, you don't need to go too deep - a peripheral study of Marxism. And you'll learn that Marxism, leftism, liberalism, they have long-term
strategies for taking over and controlling whole populations. It is their objective."

"We have the most liberal, the most leftist candidate who has ever run for president in my lifetime; he's a sitting duck. This guy's policies are aimed
at destroying the age of American greatness."

So who is wrong, Ron? The Great Rushbo or Ron?

Jeff.

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On 09 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

You didn't run over to your neighbors and demand he cough
up some money for your roof...

Are you sure he didn't?

Of course not. I did it the socialist way.

Hundreds of thousands of us, from across the country, donate part of our
income to a fund. If any of us needs substantial house repairs, we request a disbursement from the fund, which we do not have to pay back.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

No, most liberals want smaller government, you don't even

understand

what liberalism is:

This is part of the naming problem today. Lefties like to take a word
and redefine its meaning.
Most of us remember "Liberals" are squarely in the Conservative part

of

the political spectrum today.

Do you, Ron? Do you remember when "liberal" was an insult applied to anyone
who wasn't conservative? I do.

George McGovern was a war hero. Richard Nixon was not.

Here are a few lies from the late Rush Limbaugh, but pay close attention to
his usage of the words "liberal" and "liberalism." Note how he allows for no
distinction between liberalism, Marxism, communism, and socialism.

It is doubtful Rush knew the difference.

"Liberalism, communism, socialism are about denying individual liberty and creating a collective with a top down command-and-control government and economy. Conservatives are individuals and not activists at all, and so there
is no such strategy to bend, shape, and form a country." -- Rush Limbaugh

"Leftists are activists. This is a strategy. Liberalism, communism, socialism, you don't need to go too deep - a peripheral study of Marxism. And
you'll learn that Marxism, leftism, liberalism, they have long-term strategies for taking over and controlling whole populations. It is their objective."

"We have the most liberal, the most leftist candidate who has ever run for president in my lifetime; he's a sitting duck. This guy's policies are aimed
at destroying the age of American greatness."

So who is wrong, Ron? The Great Rushbo or Ron?

Rush got a medal for saying that.
Ron got nothing for anything he said.

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defeated. What I find more amazing is how the media now attacking the first black Lt. Governor for Virginia and a former marine.

Is the media "attacking" Virginia's Lt. Governor for being black? Are
they "attacking" the Lt. Governor for being a former marine? Or are they "attacking" based on political leanings?

Becasue she is Black and a Republican... Come on Jeff you know that is not allowed...
Republicans, he said, want to use Sears as a dummy through which to filter "a white idea," because Sears "legitimates the white supremacist practice" - Michael Eric Dyson ( A Racist)

Several positions did fall to Republicans, but several others did not. I wouldn't put too much weight on it.

Just like in 2010 right?

Right, sure he did. Crystal Mason was sentenced to 5 years in prison for voting while on parole. She claims that she did not know it was illegal (her ballot was not counted). Apparently ignorance is no excuse.

Well he hasn't been arrested and charge so....

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isn't it? Are those sour grapes I smell?

Nope it's your smugness....

Nah, you just don't like being wrong.

Nope just your smugness, some who is so sure of himself when is on the wrong side of everything...

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2.
relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promot individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.

I am for those things as well, although in certain cases I support a
mixed economy and government regulation of business to maintain a free
and fair market.

Yeah right... The more the Government gets involved the less free and fair market we have...

Are you actually saying that most small business owners make (in salary, not business revenues) in excess of $400,000/year?

Many do, one thing you are neglecting to say is the $400,000 is for a married couple so having a $200,000 dollar salary is not unheard of. Point in case is my brothers boss own the company and makes a salary plus percentage of profit. His wife is a CPA has her own company and make over $200,000 a year. They also have 2 kids in collage so while they are doing OK, they are no means super rich.

And you fail to realize that paying income tax is optional. If you don't want to pay it, reduce your earnings. Your hypothetical small business owner could take $399,999.99 for himself from his business profits and
put the rest into something else: perhaps paying his employees more, expanding his business, or upgrading his equipment.

Hahahaha, try not paying your taxes and see how that goes. Reduce your earnings, give me a break. Of course the point you don't get is that if they are paying more taxes they have less to invest back into the business or economy. Just from your statement it is obvious that you believe in wealth redistribution or as I like to call it robbing Peter to give it to Paul...

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On 11 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

defeated. What I find more amazing is how the media now attackin first black Lt. Governor for Virginia and a former marine.

Is the media "attacking" Virginia's Lt. Governor for being black? Are they "attacking" the Lt. Governor for being a former marine? Or are t "attacking" based on political leanings?

Becasue she is Black and a Republican... Come on Jeff you know that is
not allowed...

Do I? If she's a Republican then there are probably some ideological grounds
on which they might "attack" her, but I sincerely doubt they're "attacking"
her because she's black.

Republicans, he said, want to use Sears as a dummy through which to
filter "a white idea," because Sears "legitimates the white supremacist practice" - Michael Eric Dyson ( A Racist)

Dyson is not a racist.

Several positions did fall to Republicans, but several others did not wouldn't put too much weight on it.

Just like in 2010 right?

Or in any other year. The pendulum swings back and forth.

Right, sure he did. Crystal Mason was sentenced to 5 years in prison voting while on parole. She claims that she did not know it was illeg (her ballot was not counted). Apparently ignorance is no excuse.

Well he hasn't been arrested and charge so....

He did not commit a crime. He only tried to.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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On 11 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

isn't it? Are those sour grapes I smell?

Nope it's your smugness....

Nah, you just don't like being wrong.

Nope just your smugness, some who is so sure of himself when is on the wrong side of everything...

I am hardly on the wrong side of everything. You track record, on the other hand, is not so good.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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On 11 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

2.
relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that p individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterpri

I am for those things as well, although in certain cases I support a mixed economy and government regulation of business to maintain a fre and fair market.

Yeah right... The more the Government gets involved the less free and
fair market we have...

Not true. Anarchy is neither free nor fair.

Are you actually saying that most small business owners make (in sala not business revenues) in excess of $400,000/year?

Many do, one thing you are neglecting to say is the $400,000 is for a married couple so having a $200,000 dollar salary is not unheard of.

I see.

Point in case is my brothers boss own the company and makes a salary
plus percentage of profit. His wife is a CPA has her own company and
make over $200,000 a year. They also have 2 kids in collage so while
they are doing OK, they are no means super rich.

Statistically, yes they are.

And you fail to realize that paying income tax is optional. If you do want to pay it, reduce your earnings. Your hypothetical small busines owner could take $399,999.99 for himself from his business profits an put the rest into something else: perhaps paying his employees more, expanding his business, or upgrading his equipment.

Hahahaha, try not paying your taxes and see how that goes. Reduce your earnings, give me a break. Of course the point you don't get is that if they are paying more taxes they have less to invest back into the
business or economy. Just from your statement it is obvious that you believe in wealth redistribution or as I like to call it robbing Peter
to give it to Paul...

You have to pay the taxes you owe; I never said otherwise. You obviously did not read what I wrote.

This was the reason that stock options became a popular form of executive compensation. Top tax rates at the time made it wasteful to pay top
executives too much, so they kept their salaries just under the limit and augmented it with stock options.

If they are paying more in taxes, then they have less to invest back into the economy any way they see fit. That does not mean that the money they pay in taxes does not get reinvested into the economy.

By reducing their salary and letting the company keep more of its revenue and reinvest that back into the economy. Businesses only pay taxes on profit, so any money they invest back into themselves or their employees is not taxed.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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Jeff Squires wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

Nah, you just don't like being wrong.

Nope just your smugness, some who is so sure of himself when is on the wrong side of everything...

For Lefties, the term "Fake it until you make it" is a life mantra.


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On 12 Nov 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...

For Lefties, the term "Fake it until you make it" is a life mantra.

On the contrary, that seemed to have been the mantra of the entire Trump administration. You're projecting again, Ron.

Jeff.

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Hello Ron,

Nah, you just don't like being wrong.

Nope just your smugness, some who is so sure of himself when is on the
wrong side of everything...

For Lefties, the term "Fake it until you make it" is a life mantra.

Talk to the hand.

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Do I? If she's a Republican then there are probably some ideological grounds on which they might "attack" her, but I sincerely doubt they're "attacking" her because she's black.

There attacking her because she is black and a republican. It doesn't fit there narrative so they must cancel her. I mean really what if more black realized that the democratic party has been keeping them "on the plantation" for all these years and stopped voting democrat.

Dyson is not a racist.

His comments sure sounds like he is one. He is a first class race hustler no different than Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

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On 15 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Do I? If she's a Republican then there are probably some ideological grounds on which they might "attack" her, but I sincerely doubt they' "attacking" her because she's black.

There attacking her because she is black and a republican. It doesn't
fit there narrative so they must cancel her. I mean really what if more black realized that the democratic party has been keeping them "on the plantation" for all these years and stopped voting democrat.

So what you're saying is that if they're not attacking he because she's
black, it doesn't fit *your* narrative. Democrats have not been keeping
anyone "on the plantation."

Dyson is not a racist.

His comments sure sounds like he is one. He is a first class race
hustler no different than Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

BS.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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I am hardly on the wrong side of everything. You track record, on the other hand, is not so good.

You don't even know what side of the track your on...

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Yeah right... The more the Government gets involved the less free and fair market we have...

Not true. Anarchy is neither free nor fair.

There you go trying to distract by adding a straw man. I never talked about anarchy, I did however refer to limitied government which is what this country was founded on.

Point in case is my brothers boss own the company and makes a salary plus percentage of profit. His wife is a CPA has her own company and make over $200,000 a year. They also have 2 kids in collage so while they are doing OK, they are no means super rich.

Statistically, yes they are.

You can take your statistic and shove them, super rich is Jeff Bezos of Elon Musk. Living a good life because you had the drive to succeed and did should not be penalized by taxing the person to death.The top 10% earned 48% of the income and paid 71% of federal income taxes.

You have to pay the taxes you owe; I never said otherwise. You obviously did not read what I wrote.

Yes I did, you also have said you think people should be paying more in taxes to fund more government programs.

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On 16 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

I am hardly on the wrong side of everything. You track record, on the other hand, is not so good.

You don't even know what side of the track your on...

Do you really think this is helping you? You've devolved into playround insults.

Jeff.

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There attacking her because she is black and a republican. It doesn't fit there narrative so they must cancel her. I mean really what if mo black realized that the democratic party has been keeping them "on th plantation" for all these years and stopped voting democrat.

So what you're saying is that if they're not attacking he because she's black, it doesn't fit *your* narrative. Democrats have not been keeping anyone "on the plantation."

???? The democrats have been keep blacks on the plantation for years. Promising them plenty and giving them scraps. You really need to study the history of the Democratic party.

Dyson is not a racist.

His comments sure sounds like he is one. He is a first class race hustler no different than Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

BS.

Yep thats what you get from any of the above...

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On 16 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Yeah right... The more the Government gets involved the less fre fair market we have...

Not true. Anarchy is neither free nor fair.

There you go trying to distract by adding a straw man. I never talked about anarchy, I did however refer to limitied government which is what this country was founded on.

Why stop there? If less government means more freedom and fairness, wouldn't
no government at all mean complete freedom and fairness?

Except there's a limit, isn't there? But where is that limit? Is it where there's freedom and fairness for everyone, or just for you?

There is absolutely no mention of the size of the government in the Constitution. However, the Constitution was written in response to the
failure of the Articles of Confederation, and the chief difference between
the two is the power given the federal government.

Point in case is my brothers boss own the company and makes a sa plus percentage of profit. His wife is a CPA has her own company make over $200,000 a year. They also have 2 kids in collage so w they are doing OK, they are no means super rich.

Statistically, yes they are.

You can take your statistic and shove them, super rich is Jeff Bezos of Elon Musk. Living a good life because you had the drive to succeed and did should not be penalized by taxing the person to death.The top 10% earned 48% of the income and paid 71% of federal income taxes.

Which means that the bottom 90% earned 52% of the income and paid 29% of federal income taxes.

Interestingly, the top 1% paid 40% of all federal income taxes, which means that the 2-9% group that your brother belongs to paid 31% of all federal
income taxes.

Also, we have a progressive tax system. Everyone pays the same taxes on their first $1; their first $10,000; their first $50,000; whatever.

You have to pay the taxes you owe; I never said otherwise. You obviou did not read what I wrote.

Yes I did, you also have said you think people should be paying more in taxes to fund more government programs.

Certain people should be paying their fair share, yes.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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On 16 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

So what you're saying is that if they're not attacking he because she black, it doesn't fit *your* narrative. Democrats have not been keepi anyone "on the plantation."

???? The democrats have been keep blacks on the plantation for years. Promising them plenty and giving them scraps. You really need to study
the history of the Democratic party.

Are you referring to the history of the Democratic Party prior to Nixon's Southern Strategy? Quite a lot has changed since then, you know.

Dyson is not a racist.

His comments sure sounds like he is one. He is a first class rac hustler no different than Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

BS.

Yep thats what you get from any of the above...

Absolutely. He's not a racist.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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another word for Naive is Liberal or Democrat
they are all interchangeable

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