Biden is allegedly preparing to sign an executive order which will affect police procedures in the USA. Fox News says it's going to take place near the end of this month, in preparation for Black History Month.

The order will announce new policies on chokeholds, no-knock warrants, and body cameras. It will be signed into law in honor of George Floyd, a very, very close friend of Joe Biden, who died in police custody.

My concern is that it takes away a police officer's ability to peacefully detain anyone. The chokehold works. I've used it on people. I didn't kill anyone. If a police officer kills someone with a chokehold, they're killing
the person on purpose. If we're not taking away their guns, but taking away their ability to restrain in a non-lethal way, then we're actually inviting more people to get shot by police.

So the new policy is basically "shoot unarmed black men instead of restraining them with a chokehold." Sounds terrible to me, but it will give Joe a few
extra black votes, unless we do our duty to inform black people that cops
won't choke em anymore, but now they'll just shoot em, thanks to the Biden/Soros Regime.

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On 15 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Biden is allegedly preparing to sign an executive order which will affect police procedures in the USA. Fox News says it's going to take place
near the end of this month, in preparation for Black History Month.

I see.

The order will announce new policies on chokeholds, no-knock warrants,
and body cameras. It will be signed into law in honor of George Floyd, a very, very close friend of Joe Biden, who died in police custody.

He died in police custody after being deprived of oxygen.

My concern is that it takes away a police officer's ability to peacefully detain anyone. The chokehold works. I've used it on people. I didn't kill anyone. If a police officer kills someone with a chokehold, they're killing the person on purpose. If we're not taking away their guns, but taking away their ability to restrain in a non-lethal way, then we're actually inviting more people to get shot by police.

A chokehold is not a peaceful detention. Aside from that, people have died in police chokeholds and the police have been absolved of all responsibility for the deaths, demonstrating that your opinion on the matter is clearly not the prevailing one.

There are other non-lethal ways of detaining people.

So the new policy is basically "shoot unarmed black men instead of restraining them with a chokehold." Sounds terrible to me, but it will give Joe a few extra black votes, unless we do our duty to inform black people that cops won't choke em anymore, but now they'll just shoot em, thanks to the Biden/Soros Regime.

That is not the new policy, except in your world where the chokehold is the only non-lethal means of restraint. And we don't need any of your
anti-Semitic Soros crap, either.

Jeff.

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A chokehold is not a peaceful detention. Aside from that, people have
died in police chokeholds and the police have been absolved of all responsibility for the deaths, demonstrating that your opinion on the matter is clearly not the prevailing one.

Getting choked is better than getting shot; 9 out of 10 thugs agree.

There are other non-lethal ways of detaining people.

Like what? Bean-bag guns? There are people who don't want to be detained, and they will fight with the cops until they are no longer able to move. If cops are no longer allowed to utilize a person's weak spot (ie neck, lungs) to detain a person, then we can expect more run-aways &/or bullets to the head.

That is not the new policy, except in your world where the chokehold is the only non-lethal means of restraint. And we don't need any of your anti-Semitic Soros crap, either.

It's not anti-semitic to dislike 1 jewish person. I didn't even know that President Soros was jewish. Did I inadvertantly make a jew joke here? I didn't mean to. I'm a fan of Israel, and I think their new embassy is fantastic.

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There are other non-lethal ways of detaining people.

Yes, but "stand still while we do nothing to you" often does not work. If
a detainee is the one that escalates the situation to more forceful
restraint, then what?

thanks to the Biden/Soros Regime.

That is not the new policy, except in your world where the chokehold is the only non-lethal means of restraint. And we don't need any of your anti-Semitic Soros crap, either.

I didn't see where Aaron said anything about Soros in terms of his
religion. Israelis also complain about Soros. Does that make them anti-themselves?


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On 16 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

A chokehold is not a peaceful detention. Aside from that, people have died in police chokeholds and the police have been absolved of all responsibility for the deaths, demonstrating that your opinion on the matter is clearly not the prevailing one.

Getting choked is better than getting shot; 9 out of 10 thugs agree.

You're trying to set up a false dichotomy where the only two choices are getting choked or getting shot. Such is not the case in reality.

There are other non-lethal ways of detaining people.

Like what? Bean-bag guns? There are people who don't want to be
detained, and they will fight with the cops until they are no longer
able to move. If cops are no longer allowed to utilize a person's weak spot (ie neck, lungs) to detain a person, then we can expect more run-aways &/or bullets to the head.

So you're saying that every single police detention of unwilling people involves a chokehold? I don't think so; that's your false dichotomy at play again.

That is not the new policy, except in your world where the chokehold the only non-lethal means of restraint. And we don't need any of your anti-Semitic Soros crap, either.

It's not anti-semitic to dislike 1 jewish person. I didn't even know that President Soros was jewish. Did I inadvertantly make a jew joke here? I didn't mean to. I'm a fan of Israel, and I think their new embassy is fantastic.

It's the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," "Jews secretly rule the world" trope. But you knew that.

Jeff.
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On 16 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

There are other non-lethal ways of detaining people.

Yes, but "stand still while we do nothing to you" often does not work.
If a detainee is the one that escalates the situation to more forceful restraint, then what?

Then the police use a more forceful restraint that's not a chokehold. Taking the person down and beating the crap out of them with nightsticks and boot heels should also be prohibited.

thanks to the Biden/Soros Regime.

That is not the new policy, except in your world where the chokehold is only non-lethal means of restraint. And we don't need any of your anti-Semitic Soros crap, either.

I didn't see where Aaron said anything about Soros in terms of his religion. Israelis also complain about Soros. Does that make them anti-themselves?

Aaron is claiming that Soros has power on the world stage equivalent to the president of the US, which he does not. Claiming that the world is secretly
run by Jews is an anti-Semitic trope.

Jeff.
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On 16 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

I didn't see where Aaron said anything about Soros in terms of his religion. Israelis also complain about Soros. Does that make them anti-themselves?

Can a person say something racist without meaning to? Absolutely. Should they be made aware of this, so that they can avoid it in the future? In my
opinion, yes.

Jeff.
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Getting choked is better than getting shot; 9 out of 10 thugs agree.

You're trying to set up a false dichotomy where the only two choices are getting choked or getting shot. Such is not the case in reality.

You don't say what the other choices are. Is "cooperate" one of them?

spot (ie neck, lungs) to detain a person, then we can expect more run-aways &/or bullets to the head.

So you're saying that every single police detention of unwilling people involves a chokehold? I don't think so; that's your false dichotomy at play again.

I asked if you were referring to bean bag guns, but you obviously are just referring to being right.

It's the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," "Jews secretly rule the
world" trope. But you knew that.

Assuming what other people know is a mistake.

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If a detainee is the one that escalates the situation to more forcefu restraint, then what?

Then the police use a more forceful restraint that's not a chokehold. Taking the person down and beating the crap out of them with nightsticks and boot heels should also be prohibited.

You keep saying that there's "better methods than chokeholds," and by this point both me and Mike have asked you "what's better?" and neither time have you gave us any example of anything better. Instead, you focus on more stuff that you don't want the cops to do.

It's clear that you have some kind of "have to be right" or "have to defend everything Soros" medical condition; you can tell the dr it's not autism afterall ;)

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I didn't see where Aaron said anything about Soros in terms of his religion. Israelis also complain about Soros. Does that make them anti-themselves?

Aaron is claiming that Soros has power on the world stage equivalent to the president of the US, which he does not. Claiming that the world is secretly run by Jews is an anti-Semitic trope.

He didn't say Jews, he said Soros in particular. Soros supposedly has lots
of money. So do big corporations. Many claim that big corporations, and
the rich persons associated with them, do bad things to influence
politicians and citizens to do what they want.

Other than the fact that most claims about Soros are that he helps
left-leaning politicians and policies, while many who level claims against those other rich folks claim they wield right-leaning influence, I don't
see the difference. That and, since Soros is Jewish (taking your word for
it since I don't know), it gives left-leaning people an excuse to paint whatever is said as "anti-semitic" so they can discredit the opinion and
the person stating it.


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On 16 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

I didn't see where Aaron said anything about Soros in terms of his religion. Israelis also complain about Soros. Does that make them anti-themselves?

Can a person say something racist without meaning to? Absolutely. Should they be made aware of this, so that they can avoid it in the future? In my opinion, yes.

So anything said against Soros, even when his religion is not referenced at all, is anti-semitic? What if it is true?

Are all of the claims about the Israelis, when it comes to their treatment
of the non-Jewish Palestinians, also anti-semitic? I don't believe so. Do you?


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I don't see the difference. That and, since Soros is Jewish (taking
your word for it since I don't know), it gives left-leaning people an excuse to paint whatever is said as "anti-semitic" so they can discredit the opinion and the person stating it.

I'm racist when I support Israel over Palestinians, but I'm anti-Semitic when I bash George Soros. Convenience is what it's all about.

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On 17 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Getting choked is better than getting shot; 9 out of 10 thugs ag

You're trying to set up a false dichotomy where the only two choices getting choked or getting shot. Such is not the case in reality.

You don't say what the other choices are. Is "cooperate" one of them?

Sure. But I don't think the cops are going to cooperate in a suspect's desire to not be arrested, even if the suspects asks nicely.

spot (ie neck, lungs) to detain a person, then we can expect mor run-aways &/or bullets to the head.

So you're saying that every single police detention of unwilling peop involves a chokehold? I don't think so; that's your false dichotomy a play again.

I asked if you were referring to bean bag guns, but you obviously are
just referring to being right.

So now you're saying that every single police detention of unwilling people invilves either a chokehold or a bean-bag gun?

It's the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," "Jews secretly rule the world" trope. But you knew that.

Assuming what other people know is a mistake.

Well, now you do know.

Jeff.

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On 17 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

If a detainee is the one that escalates the situation to more fo restraint, then what?

Then the police use a more forceful restraint that's not a chokehold. Taking the person down and beating the crap out of them with nightsti and boot heels should also be prohibited.

You keep saying that there's "better methods than chokeholds," and by
this point both me and Mike have asked you "what's better?" and neither time have you gave us any example of anything better. Instead, you focus on more stuff that you don't want the cops to do.

Find out yourself. I don't know all of the methods; I'm not into arbitrarily assaulting random people. If every police encounter that results in unwilling detention involves a chokehold, then you have a point. And if it doesn't,
which I strongly suspect is the case, then therein lies your answer.

It's clear that you have some kind of "have to be right" or "have to defend everything Soros" medical condition; you can tell the dr it's not autism afterall ;)

Lies are a pet peeve of mine. I strongly oppose people voting based on things that simply aren't true. Stop telling easily disprovable lies and you might find me much more agreeable.

Jeff.

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On 17 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

I didn't see where Aaron said anything about Soros in terms of his religion. Israelis also complain about Soros. Does that make them anti-themselves?

Aaron is claiming that Soros has power on the world stage equivalent to president of the US, which he does not. Claiming that the world is secre run by Jews is an anti-Semitic trope.

He didn't say Jews, he said Soros in particular. Soros supposedly has lots of money. So do big corporations. Many claim that big
corporations, and the rich persons associated with them, do bad things
to influence politicians and citizens to do what they want.

Of course they do, but they're not the only ones. Our political system is entirely fueled by cash, much as we'd like to think otherwise. A big donation can get you access to politicians, something that's largely unavailable to others. Our corrupt system is rife with bribery, but as long as it's legal,
do you expect people to not take advantage of it?

That does not mean that Soros is equivalent to the president, unless Aaron knows something we don't. I seriously doubt it, though.

Other than the fact that most claims about Soros are that he helps left-leaning politicians and policies, while many who level claims
against those other rich folks claim they wield right-leaning influence,
I don't see the difference. That and, since Soros is Jewish (taking
your word for it since I don't know), it gives left-leaning people an excuse to paint whatever is said as "anti-semitic" so they can discredit the opinion and the person stating it.

Soros also donates to Republicans.

Jeff.

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On 17 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

I didn't see where Aaron said anything about Soros in terms of his religion. Israelis also complain about Soros. Does that make them anti-themselves?

Can a person say something racist without meaning to? Absolutely. Should be made aware of this, so that they can avoid it in the future? In my opinion, yes.

So anything said against Soros, even when his religion is not referenced at all, is anti-semitic? What if it is true?

If and when such a statement is true, then that will be a different case.

Are all of the claims about the Israelis, when it comes to their
treatment of the non-Jewish Palestinians, also anti-semitic? I don't believe so. Do you?

Inasmuch as it's not lies and political propaganda, no, it's not anti-Semitic.

Jeff.

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On 17 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I'm racist when I support Israel over Palestinians, but I'm anti-Semitic when I bash George Soros. Convenience is what it's all about.

No, it's about lies.

Jeff.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

I asked if you were referring to bean bag guns, but you obviously are
just referring to being right.

I keep thinking that the new saying might be:
... Bringing a bean bag to a gun fight.

Assuming what other people know is a mistake.

Yet it's a standard Leftie Tactic. How else can they think that they can win an argument if they can't assume you said something incorrect so that they can shift the argument.


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On 18 Jan 2022, Ron Lauzon said the following...

I asked if you were referring to bean bag guns, but you obviously are just referring to being right.

I keep thinking that the new saying might be:
... Bringing a bean bag to a gun fight.

As opposed to... bringing a chokehold to a gun fight?

Have you been paying attention at all?

Assuming what other people know is a mistake.

Yet it's a standard Leftie Tactic. How else can they think that they
can win an argument if they can't assume you said something incorrect so that they can shift the argument.

Yep. We do tend to overestimate the intelligence and humanity of those on the right. Sometimes we just have to take a step back and acknowledge that yeah, they really are as ignorant as they seem.

Jeff.

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On 18 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

That does not mean that Soros is equivalent to the president, unless Aar knows something we don't. I seriously doubt it, though.

I took it to mean that Aaron thinks Soros is one of Biden's string pullers. I also took it to mean because Soros is rich. I didn't read
into it, or see anything about, his religion.

That's the insidiousness of it. Of course religion isn't mentioned out loud.

While I believe it might be a reach to put him on the same level as President, I don't think it is such a reach to infer that he uses his financial influence for his own gain.

Sure he does. But he doesn't exert the control over us or our country that Aaron alleges.

Jeff.

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On 18 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

So you're saying that every single police detention of unwilling peopl involves a chokehold? I don't think so; that's your false dichotomy at play again.

No, but most unwilling persons are going to require some form of physical restraint. How far can you go before you that physical restraint becomes something that could endanger the person being restrained, and how does the policeman know how much restraint the unwilling person can take
before it becomes dangerous?

That's the problem, isn't it? Perhaps if there's a particular form of
restraint that proves dangerous too often, they should stop using it? Like, I don't know, a chokehold or something?

Jeff.

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I don't see the difference. That and, since Soros is Jewish (taking your word for it since I don't know), it gives left-leaning people an excuse to paint whatever is said as "anti-semitic" so they can discredit the opinion and the person stating it.

I'm racist when I support Israel over Palestinians, but I'm anti-Semitic when bash George Soros. Convenience is what it's all about.

I have not read Jeff's response yet, so he might have his reasons but, generally speaking, if you question someone's motives and the biggest
arguement raised against your point is that the person is of a particular religion or race, that is what is going on.


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That does not mean that Soros is equivalent to the president, unless Aaron knows something we don't. I seriously doubt it, though.

I took it to mean that Aaron thinks Soros is one of Biden's string pullers.
I also took it to mean because Soros is rich. I didn't read into it, or
see anything about, his religion.

While I believe it might be a reach to put him on the same level as
President, I don't think it is such a reach to infer that he uses his
financial influence for his own gain.


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So you're saying that every single police detention of unwilling people involves a chokehold? I don't think so; that's your false dichotomy at
play again.

No, but most unwilling persons are going to require some form of physical restraint. How far can you go before you that physical restraint becomes something that could endanger the person being restrained, and how does the policeman know how much restraint the unwilling person can take before it becomes dangerous?


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You keep saying that there's "better methods than chokeholds," and by this point both me and Mike have asked you "what's better?" and neith time have you gave us any example of anything better. Instead, you fo on more stuff that you don't want the cops to do.

Find out yourself. I don't know all of the methods; I'm not into

I had a suspect trying to strangle my boss. I rescued him by grabbing the other man in a chokehold. If there were no chokehold allowed, he could have died.

Chokeholds save lives, they don't take lives. There are problems in our
society than need fixed (record covid cases and record crime rates) but instead we're doing everything we can to weaken our police force, make people catch covid, and de-fund prosecution.

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On 18 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

You keep saying that there's "better methods than chokeholds," a this point both me and Mike have asked you "what's better?" and time have you gave us any example of anything better. Instead, y on more stuff that you don't want the cops to do.

Find out yourself. I don't know all of the methods; I'm not into

I had a suspect trying to strangle my boss. I rescued him by grabbing
the other man in a chokehold. If there were no chokehold allowed, he
could have died.

A "suspect?" What line of work are you in?

And if a chokehold is the only restraining method you know of, then perhaps
you should learn others. Your personal anecdote proves nothing.

Chokeholds save lives, they don't take lives. There are problems in our society than need fixed (record covid cases and record crime rates) but instead we're doing everything we can to weaken our police force, make people catch covid, and de-fund prosecution.

Apparently they do take lives. We don't need our police force killing people unnecessarily. If they do it on accident and get away with it, then they just learn to say that it was an accident even when it wasn't. We give police far more power than an individual holds, and with great power comes great responsibility.

Jeff.

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That's the problem, isn't it? Perhaps if there's a particular form of restraint that proves dangerous too often, they should stop using it? Like, I don't know, a chokehold or something?

It doesn't kill very many people. The whole country is paying for George
Floyd & Derek Chauvin's mistakes.

Bullets or chokeholds - you picked bullets when you voted for Biden.

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On 19 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

That's the problem, isn't it? Perhaps if there's a particular form of restraint that proves dangerous too often, they should stop using it? Like, I don't know, a chokehold or something?

It doesn't kill very many people. The whole country is paying for George Floyd & Derek Chauvin's mistakes.

It still kills people, and alternative non-lethal methods are available.

Bullets or chokeholds - you picked bullets when you voted for Biden.

That's a false dichotomy, and you know it. But you stick to it. You asked my why I have to be right all the time, but isn't the real question why you're
so determined to be wrong all the time. That's two instances of willful ignorance so far in one day.

Jeff.

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And if a chokehold is the only restraining method you know of, then perhaps you should learn others. Your personal anecdote proves nothing.

You're full of it! Learn what from others?

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On 19 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

And if a chokehold is the only restraining method you know of, then perhaps you should learn others. Your personal anecdote proves nothin

You're full of it! Learn what from others?

I didn't say to learn anything from others. I said to learn other restraining methods.

Jeff.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

And if a chokehold is the only restraining method you know of, then perhaps you should learn others. Your personal anecdote proves nothing.

You're full of it! Learn what from others?

To translate: "you should learn from others" means "accept the false Leftie Narrative as fact."


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On 21 Jan 2022, Ron Lauzon said the following...

And if a chokehold is the only restraining method you know of, then perhaps you should learn others. Your personal anecdote proves nothin

You're full of it! Learn what from others?

To translate: "you should learn from others" means "accept the false Leftie Narrative as fact."

I clearly said "you should learn others," not "you should learn from others."

Jeff.

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And if a chokehold is the only restraining method you know of, then perhaps you should learn others. Your personal anecdote proves nothi

You're full of it! Learn what from others?

To translate: "you should learn from others" means "accept the false Leftie Narrative as fact."

I clearly said "you should learn others," not "you should learn from others."

You clearly did.


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