Joe Manchin refused to vote in favor of the Biden Regime's "Free babysitting for every living creature on the earth" act. Manchin's voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most Americans about the ridiculous bill.

So now Joe will go on to sign an executive order where he will legally steal trillions of dollars from us, against our will, because when democracy gets in the way of some Democrat's evil plans, suddenly democracy is no longer our model.

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Joe Manchin refused to vote in favor of the Biden Regime's "Free babysitting for every living creature on the earth" act.

There is no such act.

Manchin's voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most Americans about the ridiculous bill.

Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

So now Joe will go on to sign an executive order where he will legally steal trillions of dollars from us, against our will,

I don't know if Joe will proceed with an executive order but if he does that is not theft/stealing.

because when democracy gets in the way of some Democrat's evil plans, suddenly democracy is no longer our model.

You want to talk about democracy? Democracy is no longer part of the republican plan/platform.

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Manchin's voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most Americans about
the ridiculous bill.

Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

It actually does.


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Hello Aaron,

Joe Manchin refused to vote in favor of the Biden Regime's "Free babysitting
for every living creature the earth" act. Manchin's voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most Americans about the ridiculous bill.

Joe Manchin has been bought by corporate donors. As such, he stated
his opposition to the legislation based on his own made up beliefs
that people are abusing the child income tax credit in order to buy
drugs. As well as abusing sick leave in order to go hunting. Here
is Joe Manchin, in his own words -

"I cannot vote to continue with this legislation. I just can't.
I tried eerything humanly possible. I can't get there. This is a
`no' on this legislation." ~Joe Manchin

Oh, my. Do you know hiw *real* reason as to why he "can't" vote
infaor of the legislation? Because he has been bought by corporate
donors. This has been revealed for all the world to see, by his
very own leadership PAC, Country Roads. So please. Spare us your
drivel. Joe Manchin is a sellout to his constituents in West
Virginia, as well as to the people of this country.

That's right. Joe Manchin is no Democrat. Joe Manchin is no
Republican. Joe Manchin is not even a patriotic American. But
Joe Manchin is very much a selfish and greedy SOB.

To say and suggest that people who receive child income credits
buy drugs is sick and demeaning. And to say and suggest that people
abuse sick leave in order to go hunting is also an appalling thing
to say.

Shame on Joe Manchin. For putting his own interest in money
ahead of everything else - while shaming American citizens who
are trying to survive while making an honest living - is beyond
the pale.

He should resign from the US Senate, and apologize to us all.

And then all eyes will be on Moscow Mitch to do the same.

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Hello Mike,

Manchin's voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most

Americans about

the ridiculous bill.

Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

It actually does.

Joe Manchin was bought by corporate donors.

His leadership PAC, Country Roads, received 36 donations from
corporations in the last two months and raised close to $260,000
in that time period. And that's just for starters.

See how that works, Mike?

Each donation in the range of $2,500 to $5,000 from many, including
the likes of American Express, UnitedHealth Group, Blue Cross/Blue
Shield, and CNX.

Money talks. Joe Manchin listens. And those who listen usually
get bought. Only question that remains is how long a politician
will stay bought.

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Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

It actually does.

Joe Manchin is in it for Joe Manchin, to hell with the democrats, republicans and anyone else. America be damned.

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No wonder the Lefties are sweating like crazy about the election next year. Out of office and up on charges.

Who's facing charges though? So far, they have arrested Igor Danchenko
(liberal activist paid for by Clinton's attorney to promote the Steele dossier.)

Liberals don't care that Hillary cheated. They will never bite the hand that feeds them their foodstamps. They are glad that she cheated, and angry that
she lost.

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On 12-26-21 15:22, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to All about Manchin <=-

Joe Manchin refused to vote in favor of the Biden Regime's "Free babysitting for every living creature on the earth" act. Manchin's
voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most Americans about the ridiculous bill.

The bill is not ridiculous in my opinion -- clearly your opinion is
different. But Manchin is against the opinions of a super-majority of
the American people.

So now Joe will go on to sign an executive order where he will legally steal trillions of dollars from us, against our will, because when democracy gets in the way of some Democrat's evil plans, suddenly democracy is no longer our model.

Biden is not doing anything illegal. The American public elected him
and he is doing his job. The American did not elect Joe Manchin, who
does not seem to know or care that the bill will help the people of West Virginia who elected him.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

Who's facing charges though? So far, they have arrested Igor Danchenko (liberal activist paid for by Clinton's attorney to promote the Steele dossier.)

We are hoping that Durham's investigation brings more in. It's already got several Clinton campaign people up for deposition.

But if the Dems start losing power, they are going to find it harder and harder to smooth over their crimes.

Liberals don't care that Hillary cheated. They will never bite the hand that feeds them their foodstamps. They are glad that she cheated, and angry that she lost.

The die hard lefties don't care. Many of the actual Liberals got red pilled over the last year or 2.

The Lefties are the ones who want socialism because they are worthless people who want to be important and they will never be important under a capitalistic system that rewards actual accomplishment.


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Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

It actually does.

Joe Manchin is in it for Joe Manchin, to hell with the democrats, republicans d anyone else. America be damned.

But his opinion on this matter does reflect the wishes of his constituents.

I also realize that since he didn't side with the party, you are going to
be very down on him and claim he is only in it for himself. Going blindly
with whichever party is closest to leftist is your thing. I am guessing if he'd been for it, and Aaron was complaining about what he did, you'd think
he was the best thing since sliced bread... or since Biden anyway.


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But his opinion on this matter does reflect the wishes of his constituents.

What wishes of his constituents does his opinion reflect?

I also realize that since he didn't side with the party, you are going to
be very down on him and claim he is only in it for himself.

He is in it for himself.

Going blindly with whichever party is closest to leftist is your thing.

I am not going blindy in any direction. You are projecting.

I am guessing if he'd been for it, and Aaron was complaining about what he did, you'd think he was the best thing since sliced bread... or since Biden anyway.

Manchin is not someone I have been watching. I am not impressed or unimpressed by the man. He is an old fashioned politician, he goes where the money is.

Biden has still not impressed me in any big way but I favour him to Donald Trump, largely.

I think Biden has done very well considering what he has had to deal with since taking office and the situation America is in today.

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But his opinion on this matter does reflect the wishes of his constituents.

What wishes of his constituents does his opinion reflect?

From various polls they were not in favor of him voting for it.

I also realize that since he didn't side with the party, you are going to be very down on him and claim he is only in it for himself.

He is in it for himself.

You have no proof of that beyond the fact that he didn't vote like you
would have wanted which, seeing as how you are not even a US citizen, why should you care?

Going blindly with whichever party is closest to leftist is your thing.

I am not going blindy in any direction. You are projecting.

If that was the case, I would be hating on him because he is a Democrat.

I am guessing if he'd been for it, and Aaron was complaining about what he did, you'd think he was the best thing since sliced bread... or since Biden anyway.

Manchin is not someone I have been watching. I am not impressed or unimpressed
y the man. He is an old fashioned politician, he goes where the money is.

So you are convinced he is in it for himself, yet you admit that you've not been paying any attention to him. That just goes to further prove my
point... the only thing you know of him is that he is a Democrat who went against the wishes of the other Democrats, for this one bill, so that makes
him "in it for himself" because going against the Democrats is the only thing that you measure a politician on.

I think Biden has done very well considering what he has had to deal with sinc
taking office and the situation America is in today.

You mean having a Democrat majority in both houses? Or his own administration's bumbling of the Afghan pullout? Or maybe it is his own promise of a federal plan to wipe out COVID, only to turn around just this Monday and tell a meeting of US governors that COVID is not something that
can be solved on the federal level and needs to be handled by the states?

That is a lot to deal with, especially when most of it involves either yourself, or your party, shooting itself in the foot.

I guess we will just wait for you to turn around and tell us "I didn't say Manchin was in it for himself!" even though it is quoted above, or "I
didn't say I wasn't paying attention to him!" even though you admit above he
is "not someone (you) have been watching."


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He is in it for himself.

You have no proof of that beyond the fact that he didn't vote like you
would have wanted which, seeing as how you are not even a US citizen, why should you care?

What makes you think I care? I only said that Manchin was in it for himself and not the people of the USA or his constituents.

Manchin like so many politicians goes where the money (for himself) is.

I think Biden has done very well considering what he has had to deal with
since taking office and the situation America is in today.

You mean having a Democrat majority in both houses? Or his own administration's bumbling of the Afghan pullout?

Biden didn't bumble the Afgan pullout.

The attack by Al Queda was not Biden's doing. Everyone wanted out and now your out.

Or maybe it is his own promise of a federal plan to wipe out COVID, only to turn around just this Monday and tell a meeting of US governors that COVID is not something that can be solved on the federal level and needs to be handled by the states?

Your saying the states should have no hand in the solution?

The solution is going to need the attention of all involved.

Federal/State/Local and individuals.

I guess we will just wait for you to turn around and tell us "I didn't say Manchin was in it for himself!"

OK, you wait.
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What makes you think I care?

The fact that you felt like you needed to respond to Aaron's original
message?

I only said that Manchin was in it for himself and
not the people of the USA or his constituents.

His constituents may disagree with you.

You mean having a Democrat majority in both houses? Or his own administration's bumbling of the Afghan pullout?

Biden didn't bumble the Afgan pullout.

He promised it would go smoothly, that there would be no US citizens left behind, & that there would not be people plucked off rooftops like in Vietnam.

None of those promises were kept.

The attack by Al Queda was not Biden's doing. Everyone wanted out and now your
ut.

Several US diplomats in Afghanistan, and several military experts, were
warning that it would happen, but nothing was done to counter the
possibility until it was too late (and it had happened).


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His constituents may disagree with you.

Yeah, maybe.

Biden didn't bumble the Afgan pullout.

He promised it would go smoothly, that there would be no US citizens left behind, & that there would not be people plucked off rooftops like in Vietnam. None of those promises were kept.

I'm not sure he made those promises.

The attack by Al Queda was not Biden's doing. Everyone wanted out and now
your out.

Several US diplomats in Afghanistan, and several military experts, were warning that it would happen, but nothing was done to counter the
possibility until it was too late (and it had happened).

Yes, the experts have all spoken.

Bush wanted out, Obama wanted out, Trump wanted out, the American people wanted out, and Now Biden has taken you out.

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He promised it would go smoothly, that there would be no US citizens left behind, & that there would not be people plucked off rooftops like in Vietnam. None of those promises were kept.

I'm not sure he made those promises.

He most certainly did.


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He promised it would go smoothly, that there would be no US citizens left >> > behind, & that there would not be people plucked off rooftops like in
Vietnam. None of those promises were kept.

I'm not sure he made those promises.

He most certainly did.

It did go smoothly. Al-Qaeda was the one making trouble, not Biden.

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It did go smoothly. Al-Qaeda was the one making trouble, not Biden.

And a leader would have seen that possibility has one that would likely happen. That would rule out Joe and you apparently.

And a leader who wanted out would have done that. That would rule out Donald and you apparently.

What about the other two? He left people behind,

Who was that? The only people left behind stayed behind by choice.

and people were indeed plucked off the rooftop at the embassy. Two things
he said would not happen, and said would not happen after Al-Qaeda made trouble.

Yes, it was Al-Qaeda the was making trouble. Good talking point though.

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He promised it would go smoothly, that there would be no US citizens left
behind, & that there would not be people plucked off rooftops like in
Vietnam. None of those promises were kept.

I'm not sure he made those promises.

He most certainly did.

It did go smoothly. Al-Qaeda was the one making trouble, not Biden.

And a leader would have seen that possibility has one that would likely
happen. That would rule out Joe and you apparently.

What about the other two? He left people behind, and people were indeed plucked off the rooftop at the embassy. Two things he said would not
happen, and said would not happen after Al-Qaeda made trouble.


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Joe Manchin refused to vote in favor of the Biden Regime's "Free babysit for every living creature on the earth" act.

There is no such act.

We are a borderless nation. Our freebies are available to all of the world's occupants.

Manchin's voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most Americans a the ridiculous bill.

Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

It depends on which constituents you talk with. Fox News was able to find a paragraph full of West Virginians who support Joe Manchin's decision.

Honestly, there's no way to determine if the majority of Americans support Build Back Better. We're not voting on that bill, only congress is voting on it. I won't try to argue with you that "more West Virginians wrote letters to Manchin asking him to reject the bill VS those who asked him to endorse it."
It actually makes no difference. Senators call the shots; not constituents.

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Joe Manchin has been bought by corporate donors. As such, he stated
his opposition to the legislation based on his own made up beliefs
that people are abusing the child income tax credit in order to buy
drugs. As well as abusing sick leave in order to go hunting. Here
is Joe Manchin, in his own words -

Corporations are allowed to donate. That's why Quantum Fund currently conrtols the USA.

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and he is doing his job. The American did not elect Joe Manchin, who
does not seem to know or care that the bill will help the people of West Virginia who elected him.

Manchin mentioned that "the bill does nothing to combat the pandemic."

That's my biggest problem with it too. If we could fix 1 problem in this country right now, it should be the virus problem.

Free babysitting will help West Virginians for a few months, but then inflation will do them in. I used to live in West Virginia. Stuff is expensive there. Wages are low, taxes are high, and they even make motorists pay an annual tax on their vehicles. Nobody is happy about 6.2% inflation. Joe Manchin is a hero.

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I'm not sure he made those promises.

He most certainly did.

It did go smoothly. Al-Qaeda was the one making trouble, not Biden.

I might not be the biggest Al-Qaeda supporter in the world, but what kind of trouble did they make? 9/11? Ok, but it was ISIS who attacked our troops
during the pull-out, and it's Biden who left behind hundreds of American residents (green card holders) to be murdered by the Taliban.

That's why they are now at the mercy of vigilantes who care about the preservation of human life (conservatives.)

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What about the other two? He left people behind,

Who was that? The only people left behind stayed behind by choice.

Sure thing Al. Everybody wants to have their heads hacked off by machete. It's what all the hipsters are doing these days.

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Hello Aaron,

Joe Manchin has been bought by corporate donors. As such, he stated
his opposition to the legislation based on his own made up beliefs
that people are abusing the child income tax credit in order to buy
drugs. As well as abusing sick leave in order to go hunting. Here
is Joe Manchin, in his own words -

Corporations are allowed to donate. That's why Quantum Fund currently conrtols the USA.

Joe Manchin is for Joe Manchin, not for the people of West Virginia
or the people of the United States.

Joe Manchin has been bought by corporate donors, as shown by his PAC
(Country Roads), and votes their interests.

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And a leader would have seen that possibility has one that would likely happen. That would rule out Joe and you apparently.

And a leader who wanted out would have done that. That would rule out Donald a
you apparently.

It would not rule me out, but it would rule out Obama, whose administration
met the objective by getting Osama but still didn't pull out.

What about the other two? He left people behind,

Who was that? The only people left behind stayed behind by choice.

Blatantly false. It might be true now but was not at the time. Seems like
it mostly affected citizens and green-card holders of regional descent.

and people were indeed plucked off the rooftop at the embassy. Two things he said would not happen, and said would not happen after Al-Qaeda made trouble.

Yes, it was Al-Qaeda the was making trouble.

Only a dumbass would not have expected that.


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Who was that? The only people left behind stayed behind by choice.

Sure thing Al. Everybody wants to have their heads hacked off by machete. It's
what all the hipsters are doing these days.

He didn't leave behind any hipsters, unless they were green-card holding hipsters born in that region, or hipster citizens who had
relatives there.


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It did go smoothly. Al-Qaeda was the one making trouble, not Biden.

I might not be the biggest Al-Qaeda supporter in the world, but what kind of trouble did they make? 9/11?

Yeah, that was Al-Qaeda at least in part. I think that was bigger than Al-Qaeda.

Ok, but it was ISIS who attacked our troops during the pull-out, and it's Biden who left behind hundreds of American residents (green card holders) to be murdered by the Taliban.

Al-Qaeda took responsibility for the attack. ISIS was pretty much destroyed but there is likely remnants of it still.

Biden never left anyone behind. There were and likely still are many who stayed behind by choice.

There are many who would like to leave, many friends of America but they will have to go through the process.

That's why they are now at the mercy of vigilantes who care about the preservation of human life (conservatives.)

I'd like to see that.

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What about the other two? He left people behind,

Who was that? The only people left behind stayed behind by choice.

Sure thing Al. Everybody wants to have their heads hacked off by machete. It's what all the hipsters are doing these days.

Those who wanted out got out.

Who is it you are saying were left behind?

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Joe Manchin refused to vote in favor of the Biden Regime's "Free babysit >> > for every living creature on the earth" act.

There is no such act.

We are a borderless nation. Our freebies are available to all of the world's occupants.

Really. Then this should all be easy then.

Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

It depends on which constituents you talk with. Fox News was able to find a paragraph full of West Virginians who support Joe Manchin's decision.

Yes, I am sure Manchin has his supporters.

Honestly, there's no way to determine if the majority of Americans support Build Back Better. We're not voting on that bill, only congress is voting on it. I won't try to argue with you that "more West Virginians wrote letters to Manchin asking him to reject the bill VS those who asked him to endorse it." It actually makes no difference. Senators call the shots; not constituents.

What you are describing is a problem. The gov't of the USA is supposed to be for the people, by the people.

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Biden never left anyone behind. There were and likely still are many who staye
behind by choice.

BS. Even CNN covered people being left behind, not by choice, after our troops (a/k/a their protection) were all gone.


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Biden never left anyone behind. There were and likely still are many who staye
behind by choice.

BS. Even CNN covered people being left behind, not by choice, after our troops (a/k/a their protection) were all gone.

Being in BC Alan probably watches CBC, CTV or Global. But they all covered it too so he's just lying his face off to try to somehow "win the Internet" or something.

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Being in BC Alan probably watches CBC, CTV or Global. But they all covered it too so he's just lying his face off to try to somehow "win the Internet" or something.

Who was left behind?

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Biden never left anyone behind. There were and likely still are many wh
staye
behind by choice.

BS. Even CNN covered people being left behind, not by choice, after our troops (a/k/a their protection) were all gone.

Being in BC Alan probably watches CBC, CTV or Global. But they all covered it o so he's just lying his face off to try to somehow "win the Internet" or some
ing.

The only ones of Joe's promises (unstated) that Alan cares about it that he
is "not Trump" and "not a Republican." He could get as many Americans
killed as he wants as long as he keeps those two promises and Alan would
see, hear, nor speak any evil against him.


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Biden never left anyone behind. There were and likely still are many who >MP> > staye
behind by choice.

BS. Even CNN covered people being left behind, not by choice, after our >MP> troops (a/k/a their protection) were all gone.

Being in BC Alan probably watches CBC, CTV or Global. But they all covered it t
o so he's just lying his face off to try to somehow "win the Internet" or somet
ing.

I am glad to hear the Canadian press didn't gloss over the issue, either. Although he has stopped poking at me about it, I see he has not dropped it.

He is not smart enough to "win the Internet." Win at "trolling the
Internet," oh yes I am sure he could do that.


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Being in BC Alan probably watches CBC, CTV or Global. But they all covered i
too so he's just lying his face off to try to somehow "win the Internet" or something.

Who was left behind?

Americans. Who wanted to leave.

We've already covered that, oh ye of such short memory.

In a few days it will be "I never asked who was left behind!!!"


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The only ones of Joe's promises (unstated) that Alan cares about it that he is "not Trump" and "not a Republican."

That is not exactly true. The fact he is not Trump is a good point.

I don't have a problem with conservatives or republicans although the current republican attack on democracy is a strike against them.

He could get as many Americans killed as he wants as long as he keeps those two promises and Alan would see, hear, nor speak any evil against him.

That is a lie. I have never said anything that resembles any of that.

Your lie.

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I don't have a problem with conservatives or republicans although the current republican attack on democracy is a strike against them.

Al, I feel the need to address the elephant in the room:

Democrats create distractions by accusing Republicans of doing whatever sinister thing it is that they (Democrats) are doing (or planning to do.) That way all eyes are on the Republicans. The Democrat party is smart like that,
but Republicans don't do it because they don't have the media to back them up in case of it backfiring.

It seems like you are dabbling in the art. Democrats barely won the presidential election of 2020. They don't want to suffer that same kind of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted an anti-democratic voting bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the next election. Republicans are opposed to things like "voting rights for felons" and/or "voting rights for green card holders." But Democrats are turning the tables by saying "We are a nation of immigrants and not letting them vote in our elections is an attack on Democracy."

Bait-and-switch. That's what they're doing, and it seems like you're either dabbling in the art, or else you're falling for it.

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Al, I feel the need to address the elephant in the room:

The elephant in the room?

Democrats create distractions by accusing Republicans of doing whatever sinister thing it is that they (Democrats) are doing (or planning to do.)

It's not hard to see what democrats or republicans are doing.

That way all eyes are on the Republicans. The Democrat party is smart like that, but Republicans don't do it because they don't have the media to back them up in case of it backfiring.

The media is not the issue.

It seems like you are dabbling in the art.

There is no art involved here.

Democrats barely won the presidential election of 2020. They don't want to suffer that same kind of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted an anti-democratic voting bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the next election.

What anti-democratic changes are you talking about?

Republicans are opposed to things like "voting rights for felons" and/or "voting rights for green card holders." But Democrats are turning the tables by saying "We are a nation of immigrants and not letting them vote in our elections is an attack on Democracy."

No, the attack on the capitol was an attack on democracy.

Bait-and-switch. That's what they're doing, and it seems like you're either dabbling in the art, or else you're falling for it.

I'm not falling for anything or dabbling in any art. I am see what is happening and commenting on it.

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Democrats barely won the presidential election of 2020. They don't want suffer that same kind of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted an anti-democratic voting bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the next election.

What anti-democratic changes are you talking about?

Democrats have introduced a bill (it hasn't been ratified) called "For The People Act." The bill includes: automatic voter registration (puts every human in the USA on the electoral roll and opens doors for fraud,) prevents voter roll purges (keeps deceased voters on the electoral roll for at least 1 year,) allows vote by mail for all registered voters (another fraud-op,) gives voting rights to convicted felons (felons are liberals,) campaign finance reform (doesn't stop George Soros from running the country.)

So that's what I thought you were talking about - but you're referring to:

No, the attack on the capitol was an attack on democracy.

No Republicans have been implicated in the attack. The media made it look like Trump was involved, but he was vindicated. I might be wrong, but I believe it was a group of idiots (conservative idiots) who thought they were above the will of the nation, who carried out the attack. 2 Republican idiots from the house were whining about the rights of the accused attackers, but that's the brunt of any Republican support for the attack (that I know of.)

Bait-and-switch. That's what they're doing, and it seems like you're eit dabbling in the art, or else you're falling for it.

I'm not falling for anything or dabbling in any art. I am see what is happening and commenting on it.

I'm glad that you're commenting on these things. I don't discourage that. I didn't realize that you were talking about the capitol riot. You won't catch
me defending it. I believe in conceding when defeated.

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On 04 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

It seems like you are dabbling in the art. Democrats barely won the presidential election of 2020.

They won by 7 million popular votes and 74 electoral votes. Trump won the
2016 election by 74 electoral votes and considered this a "landslide."

They don't want to suffer that same kind
of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted an anti-democratic voting bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the next election.

This is exactly what Republicans are doing. Nice projection, though.

Republicans
are opposed to things like "voting rights for felons" and/or "voting rights for green card holders."

Various states have different laws regarding the voting rights of felons who have completed their sentences. No one of any consequence is advocating
"voting rights for green card holders;" that's a straw man.

Bait-and-switch. That's what they're doing, and it seems like you're either dabbling in the art, or else you're falling for it.

That's exactly what Republicans are doing: Tightening election laws to
exclude more and more people based on the lie that voter fraud tipped the
2020 election. No evidence has been found to support widespread election
fraud in 2020. All of the state audits that have been conducted concluded
that the election was not "stolen." And yet, Republicans continue to lean on that lie to pass laws making elections more favorable for the GOP.

Jeff.

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On 04 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

No Republicans have been implicated in the attack. The media made it
look like Trump was involved, but he was vindicated.

Trump was not vindicated at all. The impeachment over the insurrection was entirely political. Trump & Co. were trying very, very hard to have the election overturned based on what we now know to be entirely false
allegations of election fraud.

I might be wrong,
but I believe it was a group of idiots (conservative idiots) who thought they were above the will of the nation, who carried out the attack.

Conservative idiots are still conservatives.

2
Republican idiots from the house were whining about the rights of the accused attackers, but that's the brunt of any Republican support for
the attack (that I know of.)

Republican idiots are still Republicans. And they aren't just complaining
about the rights of the accused attackers, although it's funny how that works when their base starts getting jailed. Many have downplayed the insurrection, and some to this day refuse to admit that Biden won in a fair election.

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

Democrats barely won the presidential election of 2020. They don't

want

suffer that same kind of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted

an

anti-democratic voting bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the

next

election.

What anti-democratic changes are you talking about?

Democrats have introduced a bill (it hasn't been ratified) called "For The People Act." The bill includes: automatic voter registration (puts every human
in the USA on the electoral roll and opens doors for fraud,) prevents voter
roll purges (keeps deceased voters on the electoral roll for at least 1 year,)
allows vote by mail for all registered voters (another fraud-op,) gives voting
rights to convicted felons (felons are liberals,) campaign finance reform (doesn't stop George Soros from running the country.)

You are so full of it your eyes are turning brown -

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/people-act -separating-fact-fiction

So that's what I thought you were talking about - but you're referring to:

No, the attack on the capitol was an attack on democracy.

No Republicans have been implicated in the attack.

Over 700 individuals have been identified as having taken part in
the attack. 220 of them have been charged with various crimes, with
some already having been tried and convicted.

The media made it look like Trump was involved, but he was vindicated.

The news media televised his rant live for all to see, including
his own words encouraging folks to storm the Capitol building.

I might be wrong, but I believe it was a group of idiots (conservative idiots) who thought they were above the will of the nation, who carried out
the attack.

Led by a conservative idiot of their own, who had claimed he would
join them later but chickened out.

2 Republican idiots from the house were whining about the rights of the accused attackers, but that's the brunt of any Republican support for the attack (that I know of.)

So, what you are saying is that Republican conservative idiots, led
by a conservative idiot by the name of Donald J. Trump, committed acts
of sedition against the United States of America, including attacking
the Capitol building, killing several innocent people in the process.

With only "2 Republican idiots from the house" whining about the
"rights" of those who took part in those criminal acts.

Thank goodness liberal idiots took no part in those antics.

--Lee

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Hello Jeff,

It seems like you are dabbling in the art. Democrats barely won the
presidential election of 2020.

They won by 7 million popular votes and 74 electoral votes. Trump won the 2016 election by 74 electoral votes and considered this a "landslide."

In 2020 - Joe Biden won the popular vote by 7 million votes over his
nearest opponent, who trailed all others by a total of 10 million
votes. As noted, Joe Biden easily won the electoral college by 74
votes, needing only 270 to win. The Congress certified the win, and
Biden was sworn in as POTUS on January 20, 2021.

In 2016 - Hillary Clinton won the popular vote over her nearest
opponent, but conceded the election to her opponent despite knowing
and acknowledging he had colluded with Russians to steal it from her.
At no time did she beg her supporters to storm the Capitol and kill
the vice president (Joe Biden) or the Speaker of the House. And we
all know who the Congress certified as the winner of the electoral
college.

They don't want to suffer that same kind of anxiety again in 2024, AT>so

they've drafted an anti-democratic voting bill to make sweeping AT>changes ahead of the next election.

This is exactly what Republicans are doing. Nice projection, though.

US Sentator Bill Cassidy is not one of them, being more interested
in running for governor of Louisiana next year. US Representative Liz
Cheney is also not one of them, as she is mulling whether or not to
run for POTUS rather than remaining in Congress.

Republicans are opposed to things like "voting rights for felons"
and/or "voting rights for green card holders."

Various states have different laws regarding the voting rights of felons who
have completed their sentences. No one of any consequence is advocating "voting rights for green card holders;" that's a straw man.

US Senator Bernie Sanders has been advocating for voting rights
to be extended for felons, but only one state has adopted that change.
Many states continue to bar not only felons who are currently behind
bars, but also ex-felons who are no longer on parole.

NYC is considering allowing undocumented workers to vote in local
elections, but I know of no state that allows undocumented workers
to vote in any elections (state or federal).

Bait-and-switch. That's what they're doing, and it seems like you're
either dabbling in the art, or else you're falling for it.

That's exactly what Republicans are doing: Tightening election laws to exclude more and more people based on the lie that voter fraud tipped the 2020 election. No evidence has been found to support widespread election fraud in 2020.

Widespread election fraud. That is the issue. There have been isolated
cases of voter fraud, or mistakes that have been made in counting votes.
But no evidence to support claims of widespread election fraud.

All of the state audits that have been conducted concluded that the election
was not "stolen."

But The Orange One continues to peddle The Big Lie, and like candy his supporters eat it all up. Goebbels would be proud.

And yet, Republicans continue to lean on that lie to pass laws making elections more favorable for the GOP.

Favorable to the GOP? Or a sore loser named Donald J. Trump?
Not that there is a difference ...

--Lee

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On 05 Jan 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

And yet, Republicans continue to lean on that lie to pass laws making elections more favorable for the GOP.

Favorable to the GOP? Or a sore loser named Donald J. Trump?
Not that there is a difference ...

For the GOP. They like to believe that about 50% of the country is conservative, but that's not the case. If it were, they'd have no problem getting rid of the electoral college and adopting a "one person* one vote" popular election. But they can't do that because they rely too heavily on the electoral college's power boost for low-population states. Only with the electoral college in play can they approach 50% power at the national level.

* By person, in this context, I mean eligible voter.

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On 05 Jan 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

No Republicans have been implicated in the attack.

Over 700 individuals have been identified as having taken part in
the attack. 220 of them have been charged with various crimes, with
some already having been tried and convicted.

Aaron likes to pretend that "Republicans" only refers to "Republican politicians" when it suits his needs.

Jeff.
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They don't want to suffer that same kind
of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted an anti-democratic votin bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the next election.

This is exactly what Republicans are doing. Nice projection, though.

Projecting is when a person predicts the future, not the past.

who have completed their sentences. No one of any consequence is advocating "voting rights for green card holders;" that's a straw man.

It's already law in NYC. I'm not opposed to that part of the liberal agenda; I look forward to having green card holders voting in our elections. I suspect that most conservatives would reject the idea though.

That's exactly what Republicans are doing: Tightening election laws to exclude more and more people based on the lie that voter fraud tipped the

Which Republicans are you talking about?

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No Republicans have been implicated in the attack. The media made it look like
Trump was involved, but he was vindicated. I might be wrong, but I believe it was a group of idiots (conservative idiots) who thought they were above the will of the nation, who carried out the attack. 2 Republican idiots from the house were whining about the rights of the accused attackers, but that's the brunt of any Republican support for the attack (that I know of.)

Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits to
receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are not in
power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as much
trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 2020.

I am much more concerned with what ELECTED people, the ones who pass laws
and sign executive orders, and their political appointees, are up to.
They are the ones in power, and who have the power to take away people's rights. Right now, the side trying to keep people quiet who don't want to "follow the science" or go along with whatever their plans are or risk losing certain rights, are *not* Republican elected/appointed officials.

Aside from making fun of people, I don't remember Trump attempting to take
away the rights of any *citizens*.


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Conservative idiots are still conservatives.
Republican idiots are still Republicans.

But they don't represent all conservatives or Republicans.

Just like your opinions or, thank goodness(!!!), Al's, do not represent the views of all Democrats or liberals.


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You are so full of it your eyes are turning brown -

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/people-act -separating-fact-fiction

I'm not a brennancenter fan. I like Rent-A-Center better.

Over 700 individuals have been identified as having taken part in
the attack. 220 of them have been charged with various crimes, with
some already having been tried and convicted.

That's the way things should always be; criminals being prosecuted. But President Soros is changing all that.

The media made it look like Trump was involved, but he was vindicated

The news media televised his rant live for all to see, including
his own words encouraging folks to storm the Capitol building.

Yea, but it was cool how he was ultimately vindicated. The good that Trump did outweighs the bad.

2 Republican idiots from the house were whining about the rights of t accused attackers, but that's the brunt of any Republican support for attack (that I know of.)

So, what you are saying is that Republican conservative idiots, led
by a conservative idiot by the name of Donald J. Trump, committed acts
of sedition against the United States of America, including attacking

Trump-supporters and Republicans are 2 different things, so no.

Thank goodness liberal idiots took no part in those antics.

John Sullivan is one of yours.

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Aaron likes to pretend that "Republicans" only refers to "Republican politicians" when it suits his needs.

Take World Politics 101 (and pass it with an A) and you'll refer to stuff the same way I do.

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Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits to receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are not in power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as much trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 2020.

You mean people like Marjorie? I think she's sponsored by liberals in an
effort to make us look bad.

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No Republicans have been implicated in the attack. The media made it loo like
Trump was involved, but he was vindicated. I might be wrong, but I belie was a group of idiots (conservative idiots) who thought they were above will of the nation, who carried out the attack. 2 Republican idiots from house were whining about the rights of the accused attackers, but that's brunt of any Republican support for the attack (that I know of.)

Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits to receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are not in power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as much trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 2020.

The problem is that that the idiots make up a substantial part of the Republican base, especially post-Trump. The Republicans need every vote they can get, and offending or punishing members of their base is something they can't afford to do. So they lie, they defend the indefensible, they gaslight.

I am much more concerned with what ELECTED people, the ones who pass laws and sign executive orders, and their political appointees, are up to.
They are the ones in power, and who have the power to take away people's rights. Right now, the side trying to keep people quiet who don't want
to "follow the science" or go along with whatever their plans are or
risk losing certain rights, are *not* Republican elected/appointed officials.

They want to be re-elected, and so have to appease those who voted for them. Even the idiots.

Aside from making fun of people, I don't remember Trump attempting to
take away the rights of any *citizens*.

Well, for starters, he tried to take away the right of citizens to elect
the president of their choice. He didn't take away the right to vote, per se, but tried to make that right meaningless.

He also tried to take away the rights of transgender people to serve in the US military. He also called for the repeal of protections for the rights of LGBT workers and transgender students. Among others.

Jeff.

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On 05 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Conservative idiots are still conservatives.
Republican idiots are still Republicans.

But they don't represent all conservatives or Republicans.

No, but they do represent a sizeable portion of them, a portion large
enough that the GOP can't risk alienating them.

Just like your opinions or, thank goodness(!!!), Al's, do not represent the views of all Democrats or liberals.

No, but we do represent a fairly large contingent of them.

Jeff.

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On 05 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

They don't want to suffer that same kind
of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted an anti-democratic bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the next election.

This is exactly what Republicans are doing. Nice projection, though.

Projecting is when a person predicts the future, not the past.

Projecting is when a person accuses others of doing that of which they are doing. It has nothing to do with predicting anything.

who have completed their sentences. No one of any consequence is advocating "voting rights for green card holders;" that's a straw man

It's already law in NYC. I'm not opposed to that part of the liberal agenda; I look forward to having green card holders voting in our elections. I suspect that most conservatives would reject the idea
though.

That's at a local level. No one is seriously advocating giving non-citizens
the right to vote at the state or national levels.

That's exactly what Republicans are doing: Tightening election laws t exclude more and more people based on the lie that voter fraud tipped

Which Republicans are you talking about?

Texas Republicans. Florida Republicans. Arizona Republicans. Georgia Republicans. Michigan Republicans. Pennsylvania Republicans. Have you not
been paying attention?

Jeff.

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On 05 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Aaron likes to pretend that "Republicans" only refers to "Republican politicians" when it suits his needs.

Take World Politics 101 (and pass it with an A) and you'll refer to
stuff the same way I do.

Perhaps you should take it again. When polls indicate that 76% of Republicans feel a certain way, they're not referring to only Republican politicians. Not even on Fox News.

Jeff.
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On 05 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits to receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are no power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as mu trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 2020.

You mean people like Marjorie? I think she's sponsored by liberals in an effort to make us look bad.

Nice try at playing the victim, but no. She's all yours.

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

You are so full of it your eyes are turning brown -

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/people-act
-separating-fact-fiction

I'm not a brennancenter fan. I like Rent-A-Center better.

Facts are facts. And those facts speak for themselves.

Over 700 individuals have been identified as having taken part in
the attack. 220 of them have been charged with various crimes, with
some already having been tried and convicted.

That's the way things should always be; criminals being prosecuted.

Those who took part and commited crimes should be prosecuted,
convicted, and sentenced. You have a problem with that?

But President Soros is changing all that.

Who the fuck is that? And why should anybody care?

The media made it look like Trump was involved, but he was vindicated

The news media televised his rant live for all to see, including
his own words encouraging folks to storm the Capitol building.

Yea, but it was cool how he was ultimately vindicated.

We'll see what a certain House committee has to say about that.

The good that Trump did outweighs the bad.

Ransacking the Capitol building and threatening to hang Vice
President Mike Pence and assassinate Speaker of the House Nancy
Pelosi are not good things. Donald Trump and his cronies led the
charge, telling them to go out and do it, that he would join them
later, and how much he loved them. And you are telling me what he
did "outweighs the bad"? My God, what a horrible person you are!

2 Republican idiots from the house were whining about the rights

of t

accused attackers, but that's the brunt of any Republican

support for

attack (that I know of.)

So, what you are saying is that Republican conservative idiots, led
by a conservative idiot by the name of Donald J. Trump, committed

acts

of sedition against the United States of America, including attacking

Trump-supporters and Republicans are 2 different things, so no.

Trump's GOP do not represent what the Republican Party is or ever
has been. Liz Cheney and a small handful of other Republicans do, but
not Trump's GOP who are mere lackeys who do his bidding.

Thank goodness liberal idiots took no part in those antics.

John Sullivan is one of yours.

Who the fuck is that? And why should anybody care?

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On 06 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are in
power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 202

[...]

No I mean people who do not even hold office, who believe in pretty far-out conspiracy theories. Those seem to be the ones that Al is most worried are going to take away our rights.

Plenty of Republicans who hold office believe in conspiracy theories. There
are Repblicans in Congress who *still* can't admit that Trump lost the election.

Jeff.

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Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits to receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are not in
power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as much trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 2020.

You mean people like Marjorie? I think she's sponsored by liberals in an effort to make us look bad.

No I mean people who do not even hold office, who believe in pretty far-out conspiracy theories. Those seem to be the ones that Al is most worried are going to take away our rights.

I am more worried about the elected officials and their appointees.
Marjorie would fall into this latter category but, being a Republican, she
is in the minority right now.


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On 05 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits to receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are not in power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as much trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 2020.

This is a very intriguing statement. I'm wondering if you could expound on
this a little bit.

Is it their belief that the vaccines are unsafe that sets them apart from you?

Or is it their disrespectful booing of Trump and other Republicans who admit
to having received a vaccine or suggest that others do the same?

How much trouble did the people who rioted and/or looted during the summer
and fall of 2020 get into? Over 10,000 people have been arrested on charges related to riots in the summer and fall of 2020*.

Do you think that people should be arrested for thinking that the vaccines
are unsafe?

Do you think that people should be arrested for booing Trump and other Republicans?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Jeff.

* See: https://apnews.com/article/american-protests-us-news-arrests-minnesota-burglary -bb2404f9b13c8b53b94c73f818f6a0b7

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Projecting is when a person predicts the future, not the past.

Projecting is when a person accuses others of doing that of which they
are doing. It has nothing to do with predicting anything.

It means different things to different people, but I respect your definition.

That's at a local level. No one is seriously advocating giving non-citizens the right to vote at the state or national levels.

That's racist as hell. They live and work here. They put up with Biden. They deserve to vote here.

Which Republicans are you talking about?

Texas Republicans. Florida Republicans. Arizona Republicans. Georgia Republicans. Michigan Republicans. Pennsylvania Republicans. Have you not been paying attention?

You said it's "happening on a local level." I'm from upstate New York. Why would I know what's happening on a local level in these other states? Our
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On 06 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Projecting is when a person predicts the future, not the past.

Projecting is when a person accuses others of doing that of which the are doing. It has nothing to do with predicting anything.

It means different things to different people, but I respect your definition.

The definition I used, and the one that should have been obvious from the context, was the psychological term. Did you think I meant astral projection
or something?

That's at a local level. No one is seriously advocating giving non-citizens the right to vote at the state or national levels.

That's racist as hell. They live and work here. They put up with Biden. They deserve to vote here.

That's exactly why they should be included in the census. They may not get to vote, but their presence contributes to the representation that their state receives in Congress. That's also precisely why Republicans don't want them counted in the Census. Furthermore, I'm going to assume that you're being facetions with this remark, as it's a complete reversal from your previous statements.

Which Republicans are you talking about?

Texas Republicans. Florida Republicans. Arizona Republicans. Georgia Republicans. Michigan Republicans. Pennsylvania Republicans. Have you been paying attention?

You said it's "happening on a local level." I'm from upstate New York.
Why would I know what's happening on a local level in these other
states? Our motto in Binghamton is: "Mind your own business." Out-of-towners never get it.

I said that the push for voting rights for green card holders was happening
at a local level, not the attacks on voting rights by the GOP at the state level.

The attacks on voting rights at the state level directly impact the right to vote at the national level, since states are in charge of their own voting laws. Are you sure that you passed "World Politics 101" with an A? I'm
guessing "US Government 101" was not as kind to you.

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That's the way things should always be; criminals being prosecuted.

Those who took part and commited crimes should be prosecuted,
convicted, and sentenced. You have a problem with that?

I don't think it's a waste of money. All criminals should go to jail, and we the taxpayers should pay for their stay. We shouldn't try to cut corners by letting them go free; we should foot the bill to incarcerate them. If we don't incarcerate them, then what's gonna happen on the next election day?

But President Soros is changing all that.

Who the fuck is that? And why should anybody care?

That's the man in charge of this country; the REAL president. He bankrolled Joe's campaign, and now we're paying him back by closing prisons, bailing out criminals, eliminating cash bail, and installing district attorneys who refuse to charge rapsists and/or child sex offenders.

Ransacking the Capitol building and threatening to hang Vice
President Mike Pence and assassinate Speaker of the House Nancy
Pelosi are not good things. Donald Trump and his cronies led the

Trump's "cronies" include people like Mike Pence and Mitch Mcconnel, not liberal activists like John Sullivan.

later, and how much he loved them. And you are telling me what he
did "outweighs the bad"? My God, what a horrible person you are!

I don't feel like a bad person. Nobody is perfect. You ain't gonna get god to run the country. And until you're able to recruit god, Trump is the best you can get.

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You mean people like Marjorie? I think she's sponsored by liberals in an effort to make us look bad.

No I mean people who do not even hold office, who believe in pretty far-out conspiracy theories. Those seem to be the ones that Al is most worried are going to take away our rights.

They came SO close to taking over our country! ;)

Next time they should bring slingshots with them. Our democracy would have been SO defeated had they brought slingshots! ;)

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On 06 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

But President Soros is changing all that.

Who the fuck is that? And why should anybody care?

That's the man in charge of this country; the REAL president. He bankrolled Joe's campaign, and now we're paying him back by closing prisons, bailing out criminals, eliminating cash bail, and installing district attorneys who refuse to charge rapsists and/or child sex offenders.

BS. That's just more right-wing, anti-Semitic, victimhood-mentality
propaganda.

later, and how much he loved them. And you are telling me what he
did "outweighs the bad"? My God, what a horrible person you are!

I don't feel like a bad person. Nobody is perfect. You ain't gonna get
god to run the country. And until you're able to recruit god, Trump is
the best you can get.

Nope. Trump is one of the worst you can get.

Jeff.

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On 06 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

No I mean people who do not even hold office, who believe in pretty far-out conspiracy theories. Those seem to be the ones that Al is mo worried are going to take away our rights.

They came SO close to taking over our country! ;)
Next time they should bring slingshots with them. Our democracy would
have been SO defeated had they brought slingshots! ;)

They actually came fairly close. They almost stopped Congress from counting
the electoral votes. The Constitution only gives one very specific day for
that to happen. If it doesn't happen on that day, no one knows what's
supposed to happen.

Jeff.

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Projecting is when a person predicts the future, not the pa

Projecting is when a person accuses others of doing that of whic are doing. It has nothing to do with predicting anything.

It means different things to different people, but I respect your definition.

The definition I used, and the one that should have been obvious from the context, was the psychological term. Did you think I meant astral projection or something?

I was talking about something that happened in the past, and you said I was "projecting." Even under the psychological definition, it still doesn't make sense. Did you learn that nifty new phrase from Joy Reid or something?

That's racist as hell. They live and work here. They put up with Bide They deserve to vote here.

That's exactly why they should be included in the census. They may not
get to vote, but their presence contributes to the representation that their state receives in Congress. That's also precisely why Republicans don't want them counted in the Census. Furthermore, I'm going to assume that you're being facetions with this remark, as it's a complete
reversal from your previous statements.

You're conflating again! Permanent residents ARE counted by the Census Bureau. Are you confusing them with illegals or refugees or something? You often conflate groups of people.

I don't know what facetions are, but I'm not being facetious. I know a lot of permanent residents who are supportive of Trump and/or other Republicans. I honestly believe that this is why Biden is intentionally leaving them behind
in Afghanistan, aside from the few bucks he'll save to make George happy.

The attacks on voting rights at the state level directly impact the
right to vote at the national level, since states are in charge of their own voting laws. Are you sure that you passed "World Politics 101" with
an A? I'm guessing "US Government 101" was not as kind to you.

I get it that local voting laws can impact national elections, but how am I supposed to know that Republicans in Michigan are trying to change their
voting laws?

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while
they're trying to have a conversation with you?

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On 07 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Projecting is when a person predicts the future, not t

Projecting is when a person accuses others of doing that of are doing. It has nothing to do with predicting anything.

It means different things to different people, but I respect you definition.

The definition I used, and the one that should have been obvious from context, was the psychological term. Did you think I meant astral projection or something?

I was talking about something that happened in the past, and you said I was "projecting." Even under the psychological definition, it still doesn't make sense. Did you learn that nifty new phrase from Joy Reid or something?

It doesn't matter if the behavior being projected occurred in the past or the present; it's still projection. It sounds like you just learned a nifty new phrase from me, though.

That's racist as hell. They live and work here. They put up with They deserve to vote here.

That's exactly why they should be included in the census. They may no get to vote, but their presence contributes to the representation tha their state receives in Congress. That's also precisely why Republica don't want them counted in the Census. Furthermore, I'm going to assu that you're being facetions with this remark, as it's a complete reversal from your previous statements.

You're conflating again! Permanent residents ARE counted by the Census Bureau. Are you confusing them with illegals or refugees or something?
You often conflate groups of people.

I was referring to all non-US citizens. You know, "taxation without representation" and all that.

I don't know what facetions are, but I'm not being facetious. I know a
lot of permanent residents who are supportive of Trump and/or other Republicans. I honestly believe that this is why Biden is intentionally leaving them behind in Afghanistan, aside from the few bucks he'll save
to make George happy.

And yet you have no evidence of any of those claims. Your beliefs are based
on situations you made up.

The attacks on voting rights at the state level directly impact the right to vote at the national level, since states are in charge of th own voting laws. Are you sure that you passed "World Politics 101" wi an A? I'm guessing "US Government 101" was not as kind to you.

I get it that local voting laws can impact national elections, but how
am I supposed to know that Republicans in Michigan are trying to change their voting laws?

By monitoring the news.Is it not your duty as a US citizen and voter to know what's going on in your own country?

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while they're trying to have a conversation with you?

If you don't want to look stupid, don't say stupid things. Think. Do the
math. Look at what's going on outside your little bubble.

Jeff.
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No I mean people who do not even hold office, who believe in pretty far-out conspiracy theories. Those seem to be the ones that Al is most worried are going to take away our rights.

They came SO close to taking over our country! ;)

Especially after Donald Trump did his part to have the National Guard
available on Jan 6, but Nancy Pelosi and the Mayor of DC both declined to
do theirs.

Next time they should bring slingshots with them. Our democracy would have been
SO defeated had they brought slingshots! ;)

Yes, that would have made the comparisons to Pearl Harbor more legit.

NOT! :)


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Is it their belief that the vaccines are unsafe that sets them apart from you?

Or is it their disrespectful booing of Trump and other Republicans who admit to having received a vaccine or suggest that others do the same?

How much trouble did the people who rioted and/or looted during the summer and fall of 2020 get into? Over 10,000 people have been arrested on charges related to riots in the summer and fall of 2020*.

Do you think that people should be arrested for thinking that the vaccines are unsafe?

Do you think that people should be arrested for booing Trump and other Republicans?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I started to answer the first couple of questions, but then realized with
the rest of the questions that this discussion is going down a typical rabbit hole that makes it useless to bother.


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I don't know what facetions are, but I'm not being facetious. I know a lot of permanent residents who are supportive of Trump and/or other Republicans. I honestly believe that this is why Biden is intentionally leaving them behind in Afghanistan...

Most of the ones I know, who are from that region, are often
family-oriented and have beliefs that I would consider conservative, so you could be onto something there.

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while they're trying to have a conversation with you?

It makes him feel like he is smarter than the other person, which probably makes him feel good.


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On 07 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Is it their belief that the vaccines are unsafe that sets them apart fro you?
Or is it their disrespectful booing of Trump and other Republicans who a to having received a vaccine or suggest that others do the same?
How much trouble did the people who rioted and/or looted during the summ and fall of 2020 get into? Over 10,000 people have been arrested on char related to riots in the summer and fall of 2020*.
Do you think that people should be arrested for thinking that the vaccin are unsafe?
Do you think that people should be arrested for booing Trump and other Republicans?
Inquiring minds want to know.

I started to answer the first couple of questions, but then realized with the rest of the questions that this discussion is going down a typical rabbit hole that makes it useless to bother.

I't snot a rabbit hole; it's questions that you're very uncomfortable answering.

You made the statement, not me. The logical inference from your statement is that you want people who either refuse vaccination or boo Trump to be
arrested.

Jeff.
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On 07 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while they're trying to have a conversation with you?

It makes him feel like he is smarter than the other person, which
probably makes him feel good.

It's not my fault that your ideology and poor choice of information sources causes you to make ignorant claims that are easily disprovable.

Jeff.
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On 07 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

No I mean people who do not even hold office, who believe in pretty far-out conspiracy theories. Those seem to be the ones that Al is worried are going to take away our rights.

They came SO close to taking over our country! ;)

Especially after Donald Trump did his part to have the National Guard available on Jan 6, but Nancy Pelosi and the Mayor of DC both declined to do theirs.

There is no record of Trump having made any such request, and neither Pelosi nor the Mayor of DC are in charge of Capitol security.

This is another right-wing lie, more right-wing propaganda.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/16/fact-check-no-trump-re quest-10000-guard-troops-jan-6/8929215002/

Jeff.
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On 01-07-22 02:08, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Afghanistan <=-

The attacks on voting rights at the state level directly impact the
right to vote at the national level, since states are in charge of their own voting laws. Are you sure that you passed "World Politics 101" with
an A? I'm guessing "US Government 101" was not as kind to you.

I get it that local voting laws can impact national elections, but how
am I supposed to know that Republicans in Michigan are trying to change their voting laws?

You can know that by listening to the news, reading national news
papers, and other means. It is your duty to stay informed on those
things which have impact on critical issues of today. Voting rights is
right up at the top of such things.

Dale Shipp
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(1:261/1466)


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I't snot a rabbit hole; it's questions that you're very uncomfortable answering.

You made the statement, not me. The logical inference from your statement is that you want people who either refuse vaccination or boo Trump to be arrested.

Not correct. The original message I was responding to referred to the
"idiots" who stormed the capitol. The poster went on to infer that those same idiots were somehow in charge and threatening their rights. That was from
Al to Aaron. I was pointing out to Aaron that those (same type of) idiots are also the ones who boo Republicans for admitting they have been vaxed and believe other idiotic things, and that these idiots are not in charge of anything.

At some point I did state that the idiots who actually stormed the capitol,
and who participated in the summer riots, should be arrested.

It is not my fault that you cannot follow a thread and, as a result, your
line of questions were indeed going down a rabbit hole... a very snot
rabbit hole indeed.


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PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while
they're trying to have a conversation with you?

It makes him feel like he is smarter than the other person, which probably makes him feel good.

It's not my fault that your ideology and poor choice of information sources causes you to make ignorant claims that are easily disprovable.

Sort of like your claim that I think people who boo politicians or that are
not vaxed should be arrested????


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On 08 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

You made the statement, not me. The logical inference from your statemen that you want people who either refuse vaccination or boo Trump to be arrested.

Not correct. The original message I was responding to referred to the "idiots" who stormed the capitol. The poster went on to infer that
those same idiots were somehow in charge and threatening their rights. That was from Al to Aaron. I was pointing out to Aaron that those (same type of) idiots are also the ones who boo Republicans for admitting they have been vaxed and believe other idiotic things, and that these idiots are not in charge of anything.

Then just answer the questions with a "no" and an explanation.

At some point I did state that the idiots who actually stormed the capitol, and who participated in the summer riots, should be arrested.

"At some point" being "in the same paragraph," considering that you said "the idiots" should be in as much trouble as the summer rioters/looters.

It is not my fault that you cannot follow a thread and, as a result, your line of questions were indeed going down a rabbit hole... a very snot rabbit hole indeed.

Then just answer the questions with a "no" and an explanation.

Jeff.

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On 08 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

It's not my fault that your ideology and poor choice of information sour causes you to make ignorant claims that are easily disprovable.

Sort of like your claim that I think people who boo politicians or that are not vaxed should be arrested????

I made no such claims. I asked you to clarify your statement.

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

[..]

re: the definition of the word "projection"

The definition I used, and the one that should have been obvious JT>from

the context, was the psychological term. Did you think I meant JT>astral projection or something?

I was talking about something that happened in the past, and you said I was
"projecting." Even under the psychological definition, it still doesn't make
sense. Did you learn that nifty new phrase from Joy Reid or something?

Joy Reid is not a psychologist. Mary Trump is, and has a certificate
to prove it. But not Joy Reid.

That's racist as hell. They live and work here. They put up with
Bide
They deserve to vote here.

That's exactly why they should be included in the census. They may not
get to vote, but their presence contributes to the representation that
their state receives in Congress. That's also precisely why Republicans
don't want them counted in the Census. Furthermore, I'm going to assume
that you're being facetions with this remark, as it's a complete
reversal from your previous statements.

You're conflating again! Permanent residents ARE counted by the Census Bureau.

Only those in this country.

Are you confusing them with illegals or refugees or something? You often conflate groups of people.

The Bureau of the Census counts people, regardless of what kind of
people they might be, or even where they may be from.

I don't know what facetions are, but I'm not being facetious. I know a lot of
permanent residents who are supportive of Trump and/or other Republicans. I
honestly believe that this is why Biden is intentionally leaving them behind
in Afghanistan, aside from the few bucks he'll save to make George happy.

Their visas ran out, making them permanent residents of Afghanistan.
But they can still travel to the USA, courtesy of Taliban Airlines.

The attacks on voting rights at the state level directly impact JT>the

right to vote at the national level, since states are in charge JT>of their
own voting laws. Are you sure that you passed "World Politics

101" with an A? I'm guessing "US Government 101" was not as kind to
you.

I get it that local voting laws can impact national elections, but how am I
supposed to know that Republicans in Michigan are trying to change their voting laws?

We do not have national elections in this country. So what's your
problem? Do you want to change the US Constitution? It has been done
before. 27 times. Or maybe you would prefer to ditch the whole thing?
I hear that is what Donald J. Trump would like to do ...

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while they're trying to have a conversation with you?

You are doing fine making yourself look stupid. All by yourself.
Please do not let me stop you.

--Lee

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Most of the ones I know, who are from that region, are often family-oriented and have beliefs that I would consider conservative, so you could be onto something there.

Many of my wife's family members are green card holders. The members who I've spoken politics with are all conservatives. They don't like illegals, they
live in a border state, and other members of their family have served in the military (and/or in combat.) My wife claims that her home country is safer
when the USA has a Republican president, and I believe it too.

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while they're trying to have a conversation with you?

It makes him feel like he is smarter than the other person, which
probably makes him feel good.

I feel bad when I talk with someone and I sense that they lack intelligence. But my sympathy dwindles once I've heard too much of their crap ;)

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I get it that local voting laws can impact national elections, but ho am I supposed to know that Republicans in Michigan are trying to chan their voting laws?

You can know that by listening to the news, reading national news
papers, and other means. It is your duty to stay informed on those
things which have impact on critical issues of today. Voting rights is right up at the top of such things.

That's ridiculous! A "duty" to watch the news? The news is liberal propaganda. That's like me telling you that you have a duty to listen to Trump rallies.

If I experience anything that I don't like on election day, I'll complain to
my district reps. That's my real duty.

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On 08 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I get it that local voting laws can impact national elections, b am I supposed to know that Republicans in Michigan are trying to their voting laws?

You can know that by listening to the news, reading national news papers, and other means. It is your duty to stay informed on those things which have impact on critical issues of today. Voting rights right up at the top of such things.

That's ridiculous! A "duty" to watch the news? The news is liberal propaganda. That's like me telling you that you have a duty to listen to Trump rallies.

"The news" is not liberal propaganda. How do you think other conservatives
know what's going on in their country and the rest of the world? No wonder you're so uninformed on national topics.

If I experience anything that I don't like on election day, I'll
complain to my district reps. That's my real duty.

Then why do you comment on national politics? Without knowing any of the
facts, no less?

Jeff.

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On 08 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

That's ridiculous! A "duty" to watch the news? The news is liberal propaganda. That's like me telling you that you have a duty to listen to Trump rallies.
If I experience anything that I don't like on election day, I'll
complain to my district reps. That's my real duty.

By the way, this is not Jeff making Aaron look foolish. This is Aaron making Aaron look foolish all by himself.

Jeff.

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Many of my wife's family members are green card holders. The members who I've spoken politics with are all conservatives. They don't like illegals, they live in a border state, and other members of their family have served in the military (and/or in combat.) My wife claims that her home country is safer when the USA has a Republican president, and I believe it too.

It probably depends some on which country, for sure. Overall, she might be right.


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The Bureau of the Census counts people, regardless of what kind of
people they might be, or even where they may be from.

That's the point I was trying to prove to Jeff, but the pain of being wrong
was causing an imbalance in his equilibrium.

Their visas ran out, making them permanent residents of Afghanistan.
But they can still travel to the USA, courtesy of Taliban Airlines.

What about the 5 million+ illegals/undesirables walking in from Mexico? They don't even have visas but yet they have taxpayer-funded airfare to dozens of major cities throughout the USA.

We do not have national elections in this country. So what's your

Which country do you live in? We have national elections in my country.

before. 27 times. Or maybe you would prefer to ditch the whole thing?
I hear that is what Donald J. Trump would like to do ...

Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the president. Keep an eye on him and don't worry what Trump does. He can't hurt you anymore. I strongly advise ditching the Trump penis pics too. It's not healthy.

You are doing fine making yourself look stupid. All by yourself.
Please do not let me stop you.

How smart is it to reply to stupidity? We're both guilty.

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On 08 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

The Bureau of the Census counts people, regardless of what kind of people they might be, or even where they may be from.

That's the point I was trying to prove to Jeff, but the pain of being wrong was causing an imbalance in his equilibrium.

You have serious issues with lumping people together.

Their visas ran out, making them permanent residents of Afghanistan. But they can still travel to the USA, courtesy of Taliban Airlines.

What about the 5 million+ illegals/undesirables walking in from Mexico? They don't even have visas but yet they have taxpayer-funded airfare to dozens of major cities throughout the USA.

See? Those aren't "illegals." The vast majority of them are seeking asylum, which is legal.

As far as "undesirables..." Well, that's a personal judgement, and says a lot about the person making it. Perhaps people like you are the "undesirables."

You are doing fine making yourself look stupid. All by yourself. Please do not let me stop you.

How smart is it to reply to stupidity? We're both guilty.

There is the off chance that the stupid can be educated. But stupid is one thing, racist & ignorant is quite the other. "Undesirables," you say?

Jeff.

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On 01-08-22 15:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Voting rights <=-

I get it that local voting laws can impact
national elections, but ho
am I supposed to know that Republicans in
Michigan are trying to chan
their voting laws?

You can know that by listening to the news, reading national news
papers, and other means. It is your duty to stay informed on those
things which have impact on critical issues of today. Voting rights is right up at the top of such things.

That's ridiculous! A "duty" to watch the news? The news is liberal propaganda. That's like me telling you that you have a duty to listen
to Trump rallies.

Actually, I do keep informed about what happens at Trump rallies. My
point is that if you wish to be an informed voter, then you ought to
keep informed about critcal issues. I know that not all people do that,
and that some vote based only on a political advertisement or even just
what the candidate looks like -- but that is not the way it should be
done.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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On 01-08-22 15:53, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Afghanistan <=-

Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the
president.

Just what do you mean by that statement? How did he do that in your
opinion?

Keep an eye on him and don't worry what Trump does. He can't
hurt you anymore.

Trump is still hurting us. He has the Republican party under his thumb
to the point of having them change voting laws in any state that they
control, and doing so in a way to make it harder for minority voters to
vote.

He is also milking the RNC to pay his many legal bills to thwart
investigations into possible shady dealings of him and his businesses.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 08 Jan 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

re: the definition of the word "projection"

I was talking about something that happened in the past, and you said was
"projecting." Even under the psychological definition, it still doesn make
sense. Did you learn that nifty new phrase from Joy Reid or something

Joy Reid is not a psychologist. Mary Trump is, and has a certificate
to prove it. But not Joy Reid.

Aaron does not appear to get out much, physically or intellectually.

Jeff.

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On 09 Jan 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the president.

Just what do you mean by that statement? How did he do that in your opinion?

This should be interesting.

Jeff.

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On 08 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid w they're trying to have a conversation with you?

It makes him feel like he is smarter than the other person, which probably makes him feel good.

I feel bad when I talk with someone and I sense that they lack intelligence. But my sympathy dwindles once I've heard too much of their crap ;)

Yo don't even know how your taxes are calculated. You seem to not know the difference between "illegal immigrants" and asylum-seekers. You admittedly do not monitor politics from other states. And you sense that others "lack intelligence?" Have a look in the mirror, man.

Jeff.

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military (and/or in combat.) My wife claims that her home country is saf when the USA has a Republican president, and I believe it too.

It probably depends some on which country, for sure. Overall, she might be right.

Trump met with their former president (President Varela of Panama) a few years ago, asking if there was anything that he could help with. That gesture didn't go unnoticed.

Panamanians are angry with Biden over the border issue. Apparently Joe's human chattel is being imported through the Darien Gap by Columbian criminals, en route to the USA. I've been to Darien province, but unlike the thousands of children being smuggled through there thanks to Biden, I was vaccinated for yellow fever, and I had plenty of permethrin on hand to keep mosquitos away (they never came near me!)

American taxpayers are able to accommodate thousands of children in good ol' Texas, but the Panamanian government has very little money to spare for
illegal migrants. (They might have the money, but they aint gonna spend it on illegals.)

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Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the president.

Just what do you mean by that statement? How did he do that in your opinion?

Biden's covid vaccine mandate goes against the 1st amendment because religious exemptions are at the mercy of employers. What does the gas station manager know about my religious beliefs? Who is he to decide if there's logic to my request?

Biden's request for prioritization of covid treatments for non-whites goes against the 5th amendment; there's no equity for all in that initiative.

Biden violates the 13th amendment by warmly welcoming millions of undocumented migrants into the country. They get raped and robbed on the way here, and once they arrive, they're vulerable to servitude, whether it's forced labor or forced prostitution. The man is enabling slavery in the USA.

(The 12th amendment, well, I made a mistake I meant 13th.)

Trump is still hurting us. He has the Republican party under his thumb
to the point of having them change voting laws in any state that they control, and doing so in a way to make it harder for minority voters to vote.

The Republican party is not capable of changing voting laws. Despite his billionaire status, Trump's not bankrolling anyone's campaign(s) (that I know of.) Is he?

How is it that these new proposed voting laws are going to make it harder for minorities to vote?

He is also milking the RNC to pay his many legal bills to thwart investigations into possible shady dealings of him and his businesses.

Who is that hurting? I have not heard any complaints about this issue.

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On 09 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the president.

Just what do you mean by that statement? How did he do that in your opinion?

Biden's covid vaccine mandate goes against the 1st amendment because religious exemptions are at the mercy of employers. What does the gas station manager know about my religious beliefs? Who is he to decide if there's logic to my request?

He's not expected to evaluate the validity of your request. He's expected to accept it. And you're expected to provide weekly COVID test results in lieu
of being vaccinated.

Biden's request for prioritization of covid treatments for non-whites
goes against the 5th amendment; there's no equity for all in that initiative.

Anyone can get vaccinated. No white people are being turned away in favor of non-whites. You are intentionally distorting the details of the "prioritization."

Biden violates the 13th amendment by warmly welcoming millions of undocumented migrants into the country. They get raped and robbed on the way here, and once they arrive, they're vulerable to servitude, whether it's forced labor or forced prostitution. The man is enabling slavery in the USA.

These people are seeking asylum. Less than half of them are accepted, which doesn't sound like the "warm welcome" you're trying to make it out to be.

Once in the asylum system, they are documented immigrants. What is your evidence that they are more vulnerable to forced labor or forced prostitution than anyone else?

They are aware of the dangers of the journey, and choose to make it anyway. That alone speaks to the conditions they are fleeing.

Trump is still hurting us. He has the Republican party under his thu to the point of having them change voting laws in any state that they control, and doing so in a way to make it harder for minority voters vote.

The Republican party is not capable of changing voting laws. Despite his billionaire status, Trump's not bankrolling anyone's campaign(s) (that I know of.) Is he?

The Republican party is indeed capable of changing voting laws. Voting laws
are state-level laws, defined by state legislatures. State legislatures
consist of elected politicians, primarily those of two parties: Republican
and Democrat. State legislatures that have a Republican majority can change laws, to include voting laws. And they can change those laws in accordance
with the desires of the Republican party.

"The Republican party is not capable of changing voting laws" is definitely
in the running for your most bone-headed statement yet.

How is it that these new proposed voting laws are going to make it
harder for minorities to vote?

For starters, election day is on a Tuesday. Always. In American culture,
that's a work day. Changing access to mail-in voting, voting hours, number of polling locations, location of polling locations, and early voting can definitely affect people who have to work that day.

He is also milking the RNC to pay his many legal bills to thwart investigations into possible shady dealings of him and his businesses

Who is that hurting? I have not heard any complaints about this issue.

A lot of the RNC donors are complaining. They donated that money to help
elect Republicans, not to pay a former president's legal bills. I'm sure that Republican candidates who could use that money to aid their campaigns are
also upset about it, as is anyone who wishes to see these candidates win.

Jeff.

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On 01-09-22 19:58, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: US amendments <=-

Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the president.

Just what do you mean by that statement? How did he do that in your opinion?

Biden's covid vaccine mandate goes against the 1st amendment because religious exemptions are at the mercy of employers.

Why are they at the mercy of employers. Either you belong to a
recognized religion with legitimate objections to vaccinations or you
don't.

What does the gas
station manager know about my religious beliefs? Who is he to decide if there's logic to my request?

I don't see why a gas station manager is involved -- unless he is your employer.

Biden's request for prioritization of covid treatments for non-whites
goes against the 5th amendment; there's no equity for all in that initiative.

That is news to me. I could guess that Biden might have made an
initiative to step up vaccination / covid treatments to minority
communities who have been under served. In any case, I do not see how
this is against the 5th amendment which is where the projections against self-incrimination are found.

Biden violates the 13th amendment by warmly welcoming millions of undocumented migrants into the country. They get raped and robbed on
the way here, and once they arrive, they're vulnerable to servitude, whether it's forced labor or forced prostitution. The man is enabling slavery in the USA.

I've heard that statement before, and it is a reach on all counts.

(The 12th amendment, well, I made a mistake I meant 13th.)

Trump is still hurting us. He has the Republican party under his thumb
to the point of having them change voting laws in any state that they control, and doing so in a way to make it harder for minority voters to vote.

The Republican party is not capable of changing voting laws. Despite
his billionaire status, Trump's not bankrolling anyone's campaign(s)
(that I know of.) Is he?

The Republican parties are changing the voting laws in many if not all
of the toss up states, e.g. Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, etc. They are limiting the hours of voting, the ability to vote by mail, the ability
to have ready access to a voting drop-off box, and more. One state
(Georgia I believe) recognized that the long lines and waiting times to
vote were a problem. Then they passed a law making it a crime for
anyone to bring them food or drink or a chair to rest in.

How is it that these new proposed voting laws are going to make it
harder for minorities to vote?

Because most of the restrictive changes are focused on the minority
communities and how they voted in the past.

He is also milking the RNC to pay his many legal bills to thwart investigations into possible shady dealings of him and his businesses.

Who is that hurting? I have not heard any complaints about this issue.

It is quite strange that a national committee should be paying legal
bills for a person in their private difficulties.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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On 11 Jan 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

Biden's request for prioritization of covid treatments for non-whites goes against the 5th amendment; there's no equity for all in that initiative.

That is news to me. I could guess that Biden might have made an initiative to step up vaccination / covid treatments to minority communities who have been under served. In any case, I do not see how this is against the 5th amendment which is where the projections against self-incrimination are found.

Apparently the treatment in question is the monoclonal antibody treatment for those with severe cases of COVID. Biden's plan prioritizes these treatments
for high-risk groups, and one of those groups is black people because COVID
has been shown to be disproportionately dangerous to them.

Leave it to Aaron to make a race war out of it.

Jeff.

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What does the gas
station manager know about my religious beliefs? Who is he to decide there's logic to my request?

I don't see why a gas station manager is involved -- unless he is your employer.

Individual employers are the judges on whether or not they approve of
someone's request for medical exemption for the vaccine. Suppose I have an employee who identifies as 'Islamic.' That employee tells me "I'm Islamic and
I want a religious exemption from vaccinating." So then me, the gas station manager, I'm gonna go to the library and get a book on Islam and try to figure out if I'm being BS'd by my employee. Does that sound efficient?

Biden's request for prioritization of covid treatments for non-whites goes against the 5th amendment; there's no equity for all in that initiative.

That is news to me. I could guess that Biden might have made an initiative to step up vaccination / covid treatments to minority communities who have been under served. In any case, I do not see how this is against the 5th amendment which is where the projections against self-incrimination are found.

The White House's guidance is for the medical community to prioritize non-whites for covid treatments (not vaccines but treatments.)

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-guidance-prioritizes-race administering-covid-drugs

Of course that's just guidance, for now, but NY has already mandated that hospitals participate in racism:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-race-based-covid-treatment-white-hispanic inequity-monoclonal-antibodies-antiviral-pfizer-omicron-11641573991

The Republican parties are changing the voting laws in many if not all
of the toss up states, e.g. Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, etc. They are limiting the hours of voting, the ability to vote by mail, the ability
to have ready access to a voting drop-off box, and more. One state (Georgia I believe) recognized that the long lines and waiting times to vote were a problem. Then they passed a law making it a crime for
anyone to bring them food or drink or a chair to rest in.

Why do you want to blame it on the whole party though? You know as well as I
do that a political party has no authority to do anything more than to
nominate candidates. The party can't vote, can't pass laws, etc.

Unless things work differently in your region than from mine. Here, all the
GOP does is nominate people; they don't control election laws. We (in NY) have a Board of Elections for each county, and we can contact our local Board of Elections if/when we have a concern. But they play no role in passing laws regarding voting (or anything else for that matter.)

Is it different in your state?

I'll assume you're talking about elected Republican officials making these changes (I think you'll correct me if I'm wrong.)

limiting the hours of voting, the ability to vote by mail, the ability
to have ready access to a voting drop-off box, and more. One state (Georgia I believe) recognized that the long lines and waiting times to vote were a problem. Then they passed a law making it a crime for
anyone to bring them food or drink or a chair to rest in.

These sound like significant annoyances. But they're not happening in my town. So how do I bring myself to care? If it happens here, I'll argue against
some of it, but if it happens in Michigan, there's nothing I can do about it.

I get it that national elections affect me, but I don't play a role in what they do in Michigan. If I had the power to change what people do in other states, I'd get all worked up about the governor of California's free all the violent criminals initiative.

How is it that these new proposed voting laws are going to make it harder for minorities to vote?

Because most of the restrictive changes are focused on the minority communities and how they voted in the past.

That sounds like a very debatable topic. White people statistically get off work at 5PM, while blacks are more likely to have to work until 8PM? That's nonsense. Black people are too lazy to vote in person if the line is too long, but white people are not? All these arguments sound racist.

Who is that hurting? I have not heard any complaints about this issue

It is quite strange that a national committee should be paying legal
bills for a person in their private difficulties.

I'd be somewhat annoyed if I were a donor to the RNC, but it still wouldn't stop me from voting Republican. You need to be an RNC-donor in order to feel betrayed by it.

As a liberal/Democrat-supporter, you should be glad that the RNC is wasting money. It sounds like it can be beneficial for your cause.

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Hello Dale,

Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the
president.

Just what do you mean by that statement? How did he do that in your
opinion?

Biden's covid vaccine mandate goes against the 1st amendment because
religious exemptions are at the mercy of employers.

Why are they at the mercy of employers. Either you belong to a
recognized religion with legitimate objections to vaccinations or you don't.

There is no federal mandate. An individual has several choices.
*He/she can get vaccinated
*He/she can get tested weekly
*He/she can get a medical exemption
*He/she can get an exemption on religious/philosophical grounds

Bottom line - nobody can be forced get the vaccine, or booster.

--Lee

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Biden's covid vaccine mandate goes against the 1st amendment because religious exemptions are at the mercy of employers.

Why are they at the mercy of employers. Either you belong to a
recognized religion with legitimate objections to vaccinations or you
don't.

Do non-government employers have to take legitimate religious objections
into account when making up their rules that are based only on government suggestion? Since it is not really a mandate, I wonder.

to have ready access to a voting drop-off box, and more. One state
(Georgia I believe) recognized that the long lines and waiting times to
vote were a problem. Then they passed a law making it a crime for
anyone to bring them food or drink or a chair to rest in.

Well... if you know your history, that law doesn't seem so out of place.
It has been illegal to have other things around voting places (i.e. liquor) because you could use it to sway or buy votes. Would you be comfortable
with Trump supporters showing up at long Georgia voting lines with food, beverages, and seating?

It is quite strange that a national committee should be paying legal
bills for a person in their private difficulties.

It is also quite strange for a political candidate to demand, and receive, control over the purse strings of her party during a primary season where
she is not her party's only candidate, but we all know that can happen, too.


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On 01-11-22 10:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: US amendments <=-

I don't see why a gas station manager is involved -- unless he is your employer.

Individual employers are the judges on whether or not they approve of someone's request for medical exemption for the vaccine. Suppose I
have an employee who identifies as 'Islamic.' That employee tells me
"I'm Islamic and I want a religious exemption from vaccinating." So
then me, the gas station manager, I'm gonna go to the library and get a book on Islam and try to figure out if I'm being BS'd by my employee.

There are two things that I see that could easily be done by that gas
station employer. First, he could check the CDC guidelines, etc., to
see if Islam has a blanket exemption (I doubt it). And he could also
tell the employee to get a certified note from his Iman at the Mosque.

Does that sound efficient?

What you stated does not sound efficient, but there are efficient ways
to solve the problem. I might also mention that if you are the owner of
the gas station, and not just the manager, then you would not have 100 employees which is where the mandate kicks in.

Biden's request for prioritization of covid
treatments for non-whites
goes against the 5th amendment; there's no equity for all in that initiative.

That is news to me. I could guess that Biden might have made an initiative to step up vaccination / covid treatments to minority communities who have been under served. In any case, I do not see how this is against the 5th amendment which is where the projections against self-incrimination are found.

The White House's guidance is for the medical community to prioritize non-whites for covid treatments (not vaccines but treatments.)

I see from Jeff that the guidance is for priority to high risk
individuals -- which does include blacks as well as elderly whites and
others.

The Republican parties are changing the voting laws in many if not all
of the toss up states, e.g. Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, etc. They are limiting the hours of voting, the ability to vote by mail, the ability
to have ready access to a voting drop-off box, and more. One state (Georgia I believe) recognized that the long lines and waiting times to vote were a problem. Then they passed a law making it a crime for
anyone to bring them food or drink or a chair to rest in.

Why do you want to blame it on the whole party though? You know as
well as I do that a political party has no authority to do anything
more than to nominate candidates. The party can't vote, can't pass
laws, etc.

The blame lies with the elected Republican officials in the
governership, and the legislator.

Unless things work differently in your region than from mine. Here,
all the GOP does is nominate people; they don't control election laws.
We (in NY) have a Board of Elections for each county, and we can
contact our local Board of Elections if/when we have a concern. But
they play no role in passing laws regarding voting (or anything else
for that matter.)

One of the things that those states with Republican control is going to
do is to replace the current bi-partison, independent members of the
Board of Elections with members of their choosing. In some cases the
laws being considered and passed also give the Republican leaders to
throw out the electors and replace them with electors of their own
choosing. You should be concerned since that gives them the right to
ignore the popular vote in their state and install their own choice.

Is it different in your state?

The Parties do nominate the candidates -- that is not what I am talking
about. I am talking about the changes being made by the Republican
officials.

I'll assume you're talking about elected Republican officials making
these changes (I think you'll correct me if I'm wrong.)

By George, I think you've got it. That is exactly what I am talking
about.

limiting the hours of voting, the ability to vote by mail, the ability
to have ready access to a voting drop-off box, and more. One state (Georgia I believe) recognized that the long lines and waiting times to vote were a problem. Then they passed a law making it a crime for
anyone to bring them food or drink or a chair to rest in.

These sound like significant annoyances. But they're not happening in
my town. So how do I bring myself to care? If it happens here, I'll
argue against some of it, but if it happens in Michigan, there's
nothing I can do about it.

They are more than significant annoyances. They are the first of many
steps to destroy democracy (small d) -- to shape in the image wanted by
Trump of an autocracy.

That sounds like a very debatable topic. White people statistically
get off work at 5PM, while blacks are more likely to have to work until 8PM? That's nonsense. Black people are too lazy to vote in person if
the line is too long, but white people are not? All these arguments
sound racist.

Many black people cannot afford to take off work if the polling hours
are restricted and they have no other alternative. If the only polling
place is 20 miles from where they live and they do not have a car they
are at a disadvantage. The beat goes on.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 01-11-22 21:07, Lee Lofaso <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about US amendments <=-

There is no federal mandate. An individual has several choices.
*He/she can get vaccinated
*He/she can get tested weekly
*He/she can get a medical exemption
*He/she can get an exemption on religious/philosophical grounds

That is exactly what the mandates say.

Bottom line - nobody can be forced get the vaccine, or booster.

True -- if they have a legitimate reason for not getting the vaccine.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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Hello Dale,

There is no federal mandate. An individual has several choices.
*He/she can get vaccinated
*He/she can get tested weekly
*He/she can get a medical exemption
*He/she can get an exemption on religious/philosophical grounds

That is exactly what the mandates say.

A mandate means compelled.
Nobody is being compelled to get vaccinated.

Bottom line - nobody can be forced get the vaccine, or booster.

True -- if they have a legitimate reason for not getting the vaccine.

Nobody needs a reason or to give a reason.

--Lee

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then me, the gas station manager, I'm gonna go to the library and get book on Islam and try to figure out if I'm being BS'd by my employee.

There are two things that I see that could easily be done by that gas station employer. First, he could check the CDC guidelines, etc., to

There are no CDC guidelines for this readily available. Even if there were, it would be ridiculous for the CDC to claim to understand everyone's religious beliefs. Get a note from your priest? Well, what if you're a practicing Catholic but you don't belong to any local church? The insanity of all this can't be ignored for much longer.

What you stated does not sound efficient, but there are efficient ways
to solve the problem. I might also mention that if you are the owner of the gas station, and not just the manager, then you would not have 100 employees which is where the mandate kicks in.

That sounds like a happy ending, but the gas station is owned by a corporation with stores all over the east coast, with thousands of employees. It's not
like Steve's Diner.

I see from Jeff that the guidance is for priority to high risk
individuals -- which does include blacks as well as elderly whites and others.

When you put all those groups together it doesn't sound so bad, but it really is awful though. It's a biological fact that blacks are at higher risk of sickle cell anemia than white people, but it's an opinion that blacks are at higher risk of contracting covid than whites. Whites have more money to buy masks? Whites have grocery stores with wider isles to allow for better social distancing? That's all a pile of racist trash that doesn't help black people but hurts everyone.

The blame lies with the elected Republican officials in the
governership, and the legislator.

I'm living in a state where the governor sucks too. The whole legislative body in this state, they all suck. I like to help others when I can, but I need my state fixed first before I worry about others.

One of the things that those states with Republican control is going to
do is to replace the current bi-partison, independent members of the
Board of Elections with members of their choosing. In some cases the
laws being considered and passed also give the Republican leaders to
throw out the electors and replace them with electors of their own choosing. You should be concerned since that gives them the right to ignore the popular vote in their state and install their own choice.

Are they still trying to overturn the 2020 election? It's not a very interesting story to me. I'll admit that I only read the news with headlines that sound interesting. I see why it's so important to have a good president, but all I can do is vote.

argue against some of it, but if it happens in Michigan, there's nothing I can do about it.

They are more than significant annoyances. They are the first of many steps to destroy democracy (small d) -- to shape in the image wanted by Trump of an autocracy.

That sounds like a distraction; like the media wants you to be scared that Trump's coming back. Every state does what it wants with voting. NYC is now allowing green card holders to vote. Most green card holders in NYC are
white. Why aren't you upset about that?

Many black people cannot afford to take off work if the polling hours
are restricted and they have no other alternative. If the only polling place is 20 miles from where they live and they do not have a car they
are at a disadvantage. The beat goes on.

It's racist to cry for black people. We're all humans. Are black people
allowed to be late for work because they live further away from the factory than their white co-workers?

You KNOW that it's BS to say "the black people live 20 miles away...."

It's like saying "black people can't afford to live in-town close by the polling place because that's not where the public housing apartments are located."

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On 01-12-22 11:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: US amendments <=-

There are no CDC guidelines for this readily available. Even if there were, it would be ridiculous for the CDC to claim to understand
everyone's religious beliefs. Get a note from your priest? Well, what
if you're a practicing Catholic but you don't belong to any local
church? The insanity of all this can't be ignored for much longer.

So far as I know, the Catholic church does not have any objections to
vaccines or other medicines. There are religions that do. I suspect
that might include Christian Scientists and Jehova witnesses -- but I
don't really know. In any case, I believe that religious objections are
rare.

What you stated does not sound efficient, but there are efficient ways
to solve the problem. I might also mention that if you are the owner of the gas station, and not just the manager, then you would not have 100 employees which is where the mandate kicks in.

That sounds like a happy ending, but the gas station is owned by a corporation with stores all over the east coast, with thousands of employees. It's not like Steve's Diner.

Then it is up to corporate management to institute policy guidelines on
how to respond to questions about the vaccine mandates. The local
manager gets that guidance and follows it to the best of her ability.

When you put all those groups together it doesn't sound so bad, but it really is awful though. It's a biological fact that blacks are at
higher risk of sickle cell anemia than white people, but it's an
opinion that blacks are at higher risk of contracting covid than
whites.

It is not an opinion. It is a factual conclusion based on the data.

Are they still trying to overturn the 2020 election? It's not a very interesting story to me. I'll admit that I only read the news with headlines that sound interesting. I see why it's so important to have a good president, but all I can do is vote.

I doubt that they expect to overturn the 2020 election, but what they
are doing is based on the Big Lie that that election was stolen.

That sounds like a distraction; like the media wants you to be scared
that Trump's coming back. Every state does what it wants with voting.
NYC is now allowing green card holders to vote. Most green card holders
in NYC are white. Why aren't you upset about that?

NYC is only allowing green card holders to vote on local elections --
which should not have any impact nationally. What the many Republican controlled states are doing would subvert the vote of the people in
elections that have national impact, i.e. President and Congress.

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opinion that blacks are at higher risk of contracting covid than whites.

It is not an opinion. It is a factual conclusion based on the data.

The CDC says they based their racist information on these factors:

"Race and ethnicity are risk markers for other underlying conditions that affect health, including socioeconomic status, access to health care, and exposure to the virus related to occupation, e.g., frontline, essential, and critical infrastructure workers."

Those factors are not factual.

Where is the racist hospital that refuses to treat black covid patients?
Why are blacks considered "low socioeconomic status?" That's very racist!
That means they are "uneducated, broke, and have lousy jobs."
Why are blacks more likely to have lousy jobs?

Does any of that stuff sound like something the CDC should be looking into?

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