Hello All!

The only reason for creating IPv6 was the concern that the number of available addresses would run out.

So far this seems not to be valid although at some point it may well become true.

In the UK as far as I know, no ISP is using IPv6 and will not provide such addresses - though at some point this 'might' change.

For me on all the different systems here, all have turned of / removed IPv6 drivers for other utilities etc.

I have not found a reason at this time to consider any such processing as the ISP's do not.

Now before some one says that is because the UK is Island based - not so as the
v4 seems to so far cover the requirements and needs of all users.

How ever with the rate of new illegal immigrants arriving that may well change but I suspect not even allowing for the fact of most sites (homes and business)
use dynamic addresses.

Do not know if that also applies to the European continent or for that matter Northern America region.

So, who really cares,

Vincent

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Hello Vincent,

On Tuesday January 03 2023 17:00, you wrote to All:

The only reason for creating IPv6 was the concern that the number of available addresses would run out.

IPv4/ has/ run out 10 years ago.

So far this seems not to be valid although at some point it may well become true.

In the UK as far as I know, no ISP is using IPv6 and will not provide
such addresses - though at some point this 'might' change.

That assesment does not match the facts as I know them. The UK is #20 on the list of Google IPv6 Country Rank.

https://www.aelius.com/njh/google-ipv6/

Not a promiminent place, but still 45% IPv6 adoption.

https://www.aelius.com/njh/google-ipv6/gb.html

That could not be if no ISP in the UK supported IPv6.

For me on all the different systems here, all have turned of / removed IPv6 drivers for other utilities etc.

I have not found a reason at this time to consider any such processing
as the ISP's do not.

Wrong starting point. ISPs in the UK /do/ support it.


Cheers, Michiel

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On 03 Jan 23 17:00:35, Vincent Coen said the following to All:

The only reason for creating IPv6 was the concern that the number of availa addresses would run out.

Its not that we don't know this, its just that someone has taken it upon themself to turn it all into a silly crusade for at least a decade or more, shoving it down all our throats. As if Fidonet will somehow stop working without that person's direct involvement... or that person needs to be remembered for something when they make their inevitable grand-departure as chances are good nobody will remember or care shortly afterward.

Do not know if that also applies to the European continent or for that matt Northern America region.

At least one major Canadian ISP and another VPS outfit here and in Montreal have always been dishing out IPV4 addresses. "Public" ones, not CGNAT. Doesn't matter if its reserves or recycled stuff... fact is that its available.

IPV6 itself is a convoluted mess anyway; so its fitting here that its being worshipped by someone with convoluted mental problems and a knack for wanting to be "right" in a conversation nobody ever cared to be proven "wrong".

Nick

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Hello Vincent!

03 Jan 23 17:00, Vincent Coen wrote to All:

In the UK as far as I know, no ISP is using IPv6 and will not provide such
addresses - though at some point this 'might' change.

For Germany, this is definitely changing. Deutsche Telekom is even working on getting their mobile network into v6-only mode. Cable and FTTH connections also definitely are on their way down that road for many ISPs. As I already mentioned, my next ISP will not even offer an IPv4 solution to end users anymore.

For me on all the different systems here, all have turned of /
removed IPv6
drivers for other utilities etc.

Your home network is a different thing. You can keep IPv4 there as long as you want. Your router will usually handle that situation for you.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Michiel!

Tuesday January 03 2023 19:21, you wrote to me:

Hello Vincent,

On Tuesday January 03 2023 17:00, you wrote to All:

The only reason for creating IPv6 was the concern that the number
of available addresses would run out.

IPv4/ has/ run out 10 years ago.

So far this seems not to be valid although at some point it may
well become true.

In the UK as far as I know, no ISP is using IPv6 and will not
provide such addresses - though at some point this 'might'
change.

That assesment does not match the facts as I know them. The UK is #20
on the list of Google IPv6 Country Rank.

https://www.aelius.com/njh/google-ipv6/

Not a promiminent place, but still 45% IPv6 adoption.

https://www.aelius.com/njh/google-ipv6/gb.html

That could not be if no ISP in the UK supported IPv6.

For me on all the different systems here, all have turned of /
removed IPv6 drivers for other utilities etc.

I have not found a reason at this time to consider any such
processing as the ISP's do not.

Wrong starting point. ISPs in the UK /do/ support it.

None of the three I have used over the last 5 - 6 years any way and that includes Plusnet, TalkTalk (uses BT services) and VirginMedia.



Vincent

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Gerrit,

For Germany, this is definitely changing. Deutsche Telekom is even
working on getting their mobile network into v6-only mode. Cable and FTTH connections also definitely are on their way down that road for many
ISPs. As I already mentioned, my next ISP will not even offer an IPv4 solution to end users anymore.

IPv6 is already everywhere here.

My ISP one day downed my line and called saying we are going to replace your router. Half an hour later guy calls at the door, installs new router and <ping> I've got both IPV4 and IPv6.

\%/@rd

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Ward Dossche wrote to Gerrit Kuehn <=-

For Germany, this is definitely changing. Deutsche Telekom is even
working on getting their mobile network into v6-only mode. Cable and FTTH connections also definitely are on their way down that road for many
ISPs. As I already mentioned, my next ISP will not even offer an IPv4 solution to end users anymore.

IPv6 is already everywhere here.

A bold statement. I doubt it's "everywhere".

My ISP one day downed my line and called saying we are going to
replace your router. Half an hour later guy calls at the door,
installs new router and <ping> I've got both IPV4 and IPv6.

And all FREE to you, right?

Oh, I forgot.... *EVERYTHING* is free in Euro-paradise, isn't it?


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Dan,

IPv6 is already everywhere here.

A bold statement. I doubt it's "everywhere".

"Here" ... there are 2 network providers here, "Telenet" and "Proximus". They both offer IPv6.

My ISP one day downed my line and called saying we are going to
replace your router. Half an hour later guy calls at the door,
installs new router and <ping> I've got both IPV4 and IPv6.

And all FREE to you, right?

Correct. Up to that point I had used my own D-Link router which didn't handle VDSL. After several mails, letters and calls I saw no need for the upgrade. The available bandwith was enough. So they just downed the line and sent a technician with a brand new router of their own ... didn't pay a cent for it.

Oh, I forgot.... *EVERYTHING* is free in Euro-paradise, isn't it?

"Free" or "for free"? There's a difference.

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Hello Vincent,

On Tuesday January 03 2023 21:50, you wrote to me:

Wrong starting point. ISPs in the UK /do/ support it.

None of the three I have used over the last 5 - 6 years any way and
that includes Plusnet, TalkTalk (uses BT services) and VirginMedia.

Be that as it may be, it is not possible for the UK to have 45% IPv6 deployment without any ISP offering IPv6. So you either had bad luck with your IPSs or they do offer it but it escaped your attention. Have you asked them? Maybe you need an new modem/router?

BTW, as an aside: The FTN suite MBSE that you maintain was probably the first to support IPv6. It did already have IPv6 before Andre Grueneberg implemented it in Binkd.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Michiel,

The only reason for creating IPv6 was the concern that the number of
available addresses would run out.

MvdV> IPv4/ has/ run out 10 years ago.

There are 8 billion souls on this planet. While it is true some
countries have declining populations, most continue to grow. Some
at a very rapid rate.

Without IPV6, the use of technology would be much more limited than
what it should be. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that
out.

And yet, there are some holdouts in Fidonet who insist there is no
need (or want) for improvement. Kind of like the folks who insisted
riding a horse was better than driving a car.

So far this seems not to be valid although at some point it may well
become true.

In the UK as far as I know, no ISP is using IPv6 and will not provide
such addresses - though at some point this 'might' change.

MvdV> That assesment does not match the facts as I know them. The UK is #20 on the
MvdV> list of Google IPv6 Country Rank.

MvdV> https://www.aelius.com/njh/google-ipv6/

MvdV> Not a promiminent place, but still 45% IPv6 adoption.

As time goes on, the numbers will increase. And then it will begin
to steamroll. And IPV4 will become all but forgotten.

[..]

I have not found a reason at this time to consider any such processing
as the ISP's do not.

MvdV> Wrong starting point. ISPs in the UK /do/ support it.

ISPs in the USA /do/ support it.

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Michiel!

Wednesday January 04 2023 12:58, you wrote to me:

Hello Vincent,

On Tuesday January 03 2023 21:50, you wrote to me:

Wrong starting point. ISPs in the UK /do/ support it.

None of the three I have used over the last 5 - 6 years any way
and that includes Plusnet, TalkTalk (uses BT services) and
VirginMedia.

Be that as it may be, it is not possible for the UK to have 45% IPv6 deployment without any ISP offering IPv6. So you either had bad luck
with your IPSs or they do offer it but it escaped your attention. Have
you asked them? Maybe you need an new modem/router?

My router (Asus) is the kitchen sink support wise - it almost does the lot and I have it connected to the VirginMedia router that is set as a modem as wifi wise it stinks.

It would take but a minor system change for v6 support to be fully loaded.

Now getting tech. support from VM is another story - almost a waste of space and effort as all such requests go to India as a level 0.5 (yes less than 1) support and are answered by a female reading from the mk 1 training
booklet.

So I have two issues here one, my hearing is only in the range 0 - 2kh and that
is with a very expensive hearing aid as they speak above that I find it almost impossible to understand a word they are saying assuming I can understand across their accent which is almost as bad - I have given up unless it is an emergency :(

It is next to impossible to contact a UK support person but that might change as my contract expires in March so will be giving them the bad news that I am moving back to slow, fast broadband (50 - 65 Mb) currently on 275Mb !

BTW, as an aside: The FTN suite MBSE that you maintain was probably
the first to support IPv6. It did already have IPv6 before Andre
Grueneberg implemented it in Binkd.

Yep, but does not help me - there again if the ISP is not supporting it, I do not have to worry about it.


Vincent

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Hello Vincent,

On Wednesday January 04 2023 23:03, you wrote to me:

My router (Asus) is the kitchen sink support wise - it almost does the
lot and I have it connected to the VirginMedia router that is set as a modem as wifi wise it stinks.

Here we call that bridge mode. Not all providers support IPv6 when their CPE is set to bridge mode.

It would take but a minor system change for v6 support to be fully
loaded.

OK...

Now getting tech. support from VM is another story - almost a waste of space and effort as all such requests go to India as a level 0.5 (yes
less than 1) support and are answered by a female reading from the mk
1 training booklet.

So I have two issues here one, my hearing is only in the range 0 - 2kh
and that is with a very expensive hearing aid as they speak above that
I find it almost impossible to understand a word they are saying

Having worked as a medical physicist, I can see the problem.. :(

assuming I can understand across their accent which is almost as bad -
I have given up unless it is an emergency :(

My provider has set up what they call "the community". Here customers can meet and compare notes and when needed come in contact with "moderators" that have the authority to do things beyond the normal help desk. It is lake a forum, so hearing problems are not an issue.

It is next to impossible to contact a UK support person but that might change as my contract expires in March so will be giving them the bad
news that I am moving back to slow, fast broadband (50 - 65 Mb)
currently on 275Mb !

50 Mb should be enough for Fidonet. ;-)

Maybe you have better luck with your new ISP.


Cheers, Michiel

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