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Table of Contents
1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
2. EDITORIAL ................................................ 2
The Fidonews Saga ........................................ 2
3. LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES ............................... 3
List of IPv6 nodes ....................................... 3
4. JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST .................................... 6
The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project ....................... 6
5. FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ...................... 7
6. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 14
Statistics from the Fidoweb .............................. 14
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 15
7. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 17
How to Submit an Article ................................. 17
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 19

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FOOD FOR THOUGHT =================================================================

You are not paid according to how hard you work.

You are paid according to how hard you are to replace.

-- anonymous


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EDITORIAL =================================================================

The Fidonews Saga

The first Fidonews issue was published the 4th of December 1984.
The first couple of months Tom Jennings was the editor. Then Thom
Henderson took over. Another nine months later single editor era
ended, for the time being, and a team of editors produced our ezine.

This lasted for about ten years, when Donald Tees became single
editor. But just after four months, he went AWOL and no Snooze was
published for over a month (so if you search for FNEWSD23, 24, 25 or
26 and don't find anything, now you know why) until Christopher Baker
took over.

From thereon it was once again a single editor enterprise (AFAIK).

Between the 1st of July 1996 and the 14th of January 2002 (almost
to the day exactly 20 years ago) six editors passed by, giving an
average of less than one year on the post. That day was also the day
that the first issue with this editor was published.

The names of the first 13 editors can be found at the end of the
Fidonews.

- = o = 0 = o = -

As a side note, reading the above mentioned part of the Snooze, I
realized that the Staff listing needed a long overdue update. Fixed.

Hopefully this means that fewer people will write to the editor
complaining about inaccuracies in the lists. The proper info *is*
after all to be found in the first lines of the lists, if you care
to read it.



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LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES =================================================================

List of IPv6 nodes
By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555

Updated 8 January 2022


Node Nr. Sysop Type Provider Remark

1 2:280/464 Wilfred van Velzen Native Xs4All f
2 2:280/5003 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All f
3 2:5019/40 Konstantin Kuzov T-6in4 he.net f
4 2:280/5555 Michiel van der Vlist Native Ziggo f
5 1:320/219 Andrew Leary Native Comcast f
6 2:221/1 Tommi Koivula Native Hetzner f
7 2:221/6 Tommi Koivula Native OVH
8 2:5030/257 Vova Uralsky Native PCextreme
9 1:154/10 Nicholas Bo‰l Native Spectrum f
10 2:203/0 Bj”rn Felten T-6in4 he.net
11 2:280/5006 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All f INO4
12 3:712/848 Scott Little T-6in4 he.net f
13 2:5020/545 Alexey Vissarionov Native Hetzner f
14 1:103/17 Stephen Hurd T-6in4 he.net
15 2:5020/9696 Alexander Skovpen T-6in4 TUNNELBROKER-0
16 2:421/790 Viktor Cizek T-6in4 he.net
17 2:222/2 Kim Heino Native TeliaSonera
18 3:633/280 Stephen Walsh Native AusNetServers f
19 2:463/877 Alex Shuman Native Nline f IO
20 1:19/10 Matt Bedynek T-6in4 he.net
21 3:770/1 Paul Hayton T-6in4 he.net
22 3:770/100 Paul Hayton T-6in4 he.net
23 2:5053/58 Alexander Kruglikov Native TTK-Volga f
24 1:103/1 Stephen Hurd Native Choopa
25 3:633/281 Stephen Walsh Native Internode
26 2:310/31 Richard Menedetter Native DE-NETCUP f
27 3:633/410 Tony Langdon Native IINET
28 2:5020/329 Oleg Lukashin Native Comfortel f
29 2:246/1305 Emil Schuster Native TAL.DE
30 2:2448/4000 Tobias Burchhardt Native DTAG IO
31 2:331/51 Marco d'Itri Native BOFH-IT
32 1:154/30 Mike Miller Native LINODE
33 2:5001/100 Dmitry Protasoff Native OVH
34 2:5059/38 Andrey Mundirov T-6in4 he.net
35 2:240/5853 Philipp Giebel Native Hetzner
36 2:5083/444 Peter Khanin Native OVH
37 2:2452/413 Ingo Juergensmann Native RRBONE-COLO f
38 1:123/10 Wayne Smith T-6in4 he.net
39 2:4500/1 Eugene Kozhuhovsky Native DATAHATA6
40 1:135/300 Eric Renfro Native Amazon.com
41 1:103/13 Stephen Hurd Native Choopa
42 2:5020/1042 Michael Dukelsky Native FORPSI Ktis f
43 2:5095/0 Sergey V. Efimoff T-6in4 he.net
44 2:5095/20 Sergey V. Efimoff T-6in4 he.net
45 2:5019/400 Konstantin Kuzov Native LT-LT
46 2:467/239 Mykhailo Kapitanov Native Vultr f
47 2:463/1331 Andrei Dzedolik Native DIGITALOCEAN
48 2:5010/275 Evgeny Chevtaev T-6in4 TUNNELBROKER-0 f
49 2:280/2000 Michael Trip Native Xs4All
50 2:230/38 Benny Pedersen Native Linode
51 2:460/58 Stas Mishchenkov T-6in4 he.net f
52 2:5020/2123 Anton Samsonov T-6in4 he.net
53 2:5020/2332 Andrey Ignatov Native ru.rtk
54 2:5005/49 Victor Sudakov T-6in4 he.net f
55 2:5005/77 Valery Lutoshkin T-6in4 NTS f
56 2:5005/106 Alexey Osiyuk T-6in4 he.net f
57 2:5057/53 Ivan Kovalenko Native ER-Telecom f
58 2:5010/352 Dmitriy Smirnov Native EkranTV f
59 2:292/854 Ward Dossche Native Proximus
60 2:469/122 Sergey Zabolotny T-6in4 he.net f
61 2:5053/400 Alexander Kruglikov Native Oracle f
62 2:5030/1997 Alexey Fayans T-6in4 he.net
63 2:5061/15 Eugene Gladchenko Native ARUBAUK-NET
64 2:2452/502 Ludwig Bernhartzeder Native DTAG
65 2:423/39 Karel Kral Native WEDOS
66 2:5080/102 Stas Degteff T-6to4 NOVATOR
67 2:280/1049 Simon Voortman Native Solcon
68 1:102/127 Bradley Thornton Native Hetzner
69 2:335/364 Fabio Bizzi Native OVH
70 1:124/5016 Nigel Reed Native DAL1-US f
71 2:5075/37 Andrew Komardin Native IHC-NET
72 1:106/633 William Williams Native LINODE-US PM *1
73 2:263/5 Martin List-Petersen Native TuxBox
74 2:5030/1520 Andrey Geyko T-6in4 he.net f
75 1:229/664 Jay Harris Native Rogers 6DWN
76 1:142/103 Brian Rogers T-6in4 he.net
77 1:134/101 Kostie Muirhead T-6in4 he.net f
78 2:280/2030 Martien Korenblom Native Transip
79 3:633/509 Deon George Native Telstra
80 2:5020/4441 Yuri Myakotin Native SOVINTEL
81 1:320/319 Andrew Leary Native Comcast f
82 2:240/5824 Anna Christina Nass Native DTAG f
83 2:460/5858 Stas Mishchenkov T-6in4 he.net f INO4
84 1:218/401 James Downs Native ORG-TT1
85 2:5030/3165 Serg Podtynnyi Native DIGITALOCEAN
86 2:301/812 Benoit Panizon Native WOODYV6
87 1:229/616 Vasily Losev Native GIGEPORT
88 2:301/113 Alisha Manuela Stutz T-6in4 he.net
89 1:134/100 Kostie Muirhead T-6in4 he.net f
90 1:134/101 Kostie Muirhead T-6in4 he.net f
91 1:134/102 Shelley Petersen T-6in4 he.net f INO4
92 1:134/103 Gordon Muirhead T-6in4 he.net f
93 1:134/301 Brandon Moore T-6in4 he.net f INO4
94 1:134/302 Adam Park T-6in4 he.net f
95 1:153/7715 Dallas Hinton Native Shaw Comms
96 1:218/840 Morgan Collins Native Linode
97 2:5020/921 Andrew Savin T-6in4 he.net
98 2:240/1634 Hugo Andriessen Native Vodafone
99 2:280/2040 Leo Barnhoorn Native Ziggo
100 2:5020/736 Egor Glukhov Native RUWEB f
101 2:221/10 Tommi Koivula Native Hetzner f INO4
102 1:266/420 Scott Street Native Comcast OO
103 1:218/850 John Nicpon Native LINODE-US
104 1:142/104 Clive Reuben Native SNETFCC-1



T-6in4 Static 6in4
T-AYIY Dynamic AYIYA
T-6to4 6to4
T-6RD 6RD

Remarks:

f Has a ::f1d0:<zone>:<net>:<node> style host address.
(zone, net, node in decimal notation)
IO Incoming only (Node can not make outgoing IPv6 calls)
OO Outgoing only (Node can not accept incoming IPv6 calls).
INO4 No IPv4 (Node can not accept incoming IPv4 calls).
PO4 Prefers Out on 4 (Node can make outgoing IPv6 calls,
but is configured to try IPv4 first)
6DWN The IPv6 connectivity of this node is temporarely down.
NO6 The node no longer presents an IPv6 address in the nodelist
and will soon be removed from this list.
HOLD The node is temporarely off-line. Mail may be routed.
DOWN This node is Down for both IPv4 and IPv6 and will be
removed from this list if the condition pertains.
PM Prospective Member. The node has demonstrated IPv6
capability but is not listed or does not advertise an
IPv6 address in the Fidonet nodelist yet.

PM *1 [2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe2b:c319]


Notes:

To make an IPv6 connection to a node connected via 6to4 tunneling
one may have to force the mailer into IPv6 (-6 option in binkd's
node config for binkd up to 1.1a-96, -64 option for binkd 1.1a-97
and up when compiled with AF_FORCE=1). If the destination address
is a 6to4 tunnel address (2002::/16) many OSs default to IPv4 if
an IPv4 address is present.


Submitted on day 009

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SPECIAL INTEREST =================================================================

Last week's statistics from the Fidoweb
By EchoTime @ 2:203/0

(Some nets may have lost their last
digit for technical reasons)

pkt (toss-toss) msg (write-toss)
nodes mean dev no mean dev no

154/* 8.2m 6.9m 697 1.1h 3.9h 696
201/* 1.4m 0.8m 4 0.0h 0.0h 4
221/* 0.9m 0.6m 806 5.3h 7.4h 805
280/* 0.7m 0.5m 904 5.8h 6.2h 903
292/* 3.7m 1.8m 28 7.5h 16.9h 27
320/* 2.3m 3.7m 263 1.9h 3.9h 261
502/* 0.9m 0.3m 8 4.2h 5.9h 8

Sigma 2.9m 4.9m 2710 4.1h 6.5h 2704

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Nodelist Stats

Input nodelist nodelist.007
size 187.2kb
date 2022-01-07

The nodelist has 1015 nodes in it
and a total of 1485 non-comment entries

including 4 zones
33 regions
175 hosts
70 hubs
admin overhead 282 ( 27.78 %)

and 110 private nodes
41 nodes down
37 nodes on hold
off line overhead 188 ( 18.52 %)


Speed summary:

>9600 = 44 ( 4.33 %)
9600 = 187 ( 18.42 %)
(HST = 2 or 1.07 %)
(CSP = 0 or 0.00 %)
(PEP = 0 or 0.00 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 0 or 0.00 %)
(V32 = 80 or 42.78 %)
(V32B = 18 or 9.63 %)
(V34 = 87 or 46.52 %)
(V42 = 79 or 42.25 %)
(V42B = 19 or 10.16 %)
2400 = 1 ( 0.10 %)
1200 = 0 ( 0.00 %)
300 = 783 ( 77.14 %)

ISDN = 33 ( 3.25 %)

-----------------------------------------------------
IP Flags Protocol Number of systems -----------------------------------------------------
IBN Binkp 808 ( 79.61 %) ----------------------------------
IFC Raw ifcico 83 ( 8.18 %) ----------------------------------
IFT FTP 60 ( 5.91 %) ----------------------------------
ITN Telnet 174 ( 17.14 %) ----------------------------------
IVM Vmodem 18 ( 1.77 %) ----------------------------------
IP Other 4 ( 0.39 %) ----------------------------------
INO4 IPv6 only 5 ( 0.49 %) ----------------------------------

CrashMail capable = 870 ( 85.71 %)
MailOnly nodes = 317 ( 31.23 %)
Listed-only nodes = 23 ( 2.27 %)



[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/2]
[ NetStats 3.8 2014-11-23]

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FIDONEWS INFORMATION =================================================================

How to Submit an Article

If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here
are some guidelines, if you send it as an attached file; the preferred
method if you want reasonable control over how the published article
will appear in the Fidonews:

a) Plain text. If you could type it on your keyboard, it's probably
quite OK. No line may be longer than 70 characters.

b) Put a title to the article. Put the title in two times. The first
time, on the first line, with an * before it. The second time, on
the second line, without the * and centered. This will help in the
format since the title with the * is removed and used in the index,
the second line will become the headline. On the third line, put
your name and FidoNet address, present or former. If former, you
may want to add some other address where you can be reached for
personal comments.

c) Deadline for article submission is Sunday, 22:00 UTC.


In case a) and b) above is not crystal clear, here's an excellent
summary by Ward Dossche, a major article contributor:

Piece of cake:

1) Ascii text
2) Line length of 70
3) Put this at the very top:

*The title of your text
The title of your text
Your Name - Your Nodenumber

The title is there twice, the line with the * is how it will be
visible in the table of content.


Help the Editor by following the above guides. Below are some subjects
and the file extension for the article as set in the configuration
file for the making of the Fidonews. Please help by putting the file
extension of the correct subject on the file name if known.

Ideas for Subject areas:

Subject File | Subject File ----------------------------------|----------------------------------
From the *C's *.css | Rebuttals to articles *.reb
Fidonet Regional News *.reg | Fidonet Net News *.net
Retractions *.rtx | General Fidonet Articles *.art
Guest Editorial *.gue | Fidonet Current Events *.cur
Fidonet Interviews *.inv | Fidonet Software Reviews *.rev
Fidonet Web Page Reviews *.web | Fidonet Notices *.not
Getting Fidonet Technical *.ftc | Question Of The Week *.que
Humor in a Fido Vein *.hfv | Comix in ASCII *.cmx
Fidonet's Int. Kitchen *.rec | Poet's Corner *.poe
Clean Humor & Jokes *.jok | Other Stuff *.oth
Fidonet Classified Ads *.ads | Corrections *.cor
Best of Fidonet *.bof | Letters to the Editor *.let

If you don't know or are not sure, send the article anyway. Put a .TXT
on it and I'll try to figure out where it should be in the Fidonews.

If you follow these simple guidelines, there should be little problem
in getting your article published. If your submission is too far out
of specs for the Fidonews, it will be returned to you and/or a message
sent informing you of the problem. This DOES NOT mean that your
article is not accepted. It means that there is something in it that I
can not fix and I need your help on it.

Send articles via e-mail or netmail, file attach or message to:

Bj”rn Felten
Fidonet 2:2/2 or 2:203/0
E-Mail b @ felten dot se
Skype file bfelten

IMPORTANT! If you send the article via e-mail, make sure you put the
word "fidonews" somewhere in the subject line! That way it
will always pass the spam filter, ending up in the proper
folder.

Please include a message, telling me that you have sent an article.
That way I will know to look for it.


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Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability

+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
| |
| Editor: Bj”rn Felten, 2:2/2 |
| |
| The IPv6 list: Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555 |
| The S/W list: Andrew Leary, 1:320/219 |
| |
+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +

+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - EDITORS EMERITI - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
| |
| Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince |
| Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, |
| Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink, |
| Doug Meyers, Warren D. Bonner, Frank L. Vest |
| |
+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +

Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet.
There is no copyright attached to Fidonews, though authors
retain rights to their contributed articles. Opinions expressed
by the authors are strictly their own. Noncommercial duplication
and distribution within Fidonet is encouraged. Authors are
encouraged to send their articles in ASCII text to the Editor
at one of the addresses above.

The weekly edition of Fidonews is distributed through the file
area FIDONEWS, and is published as echomail in the echo FIDONEWS.

The different articles are distributed in the file area SNOOZE.
A service to various projects for making Fidonews available on
the web with a more pleasing lay-out.

These sources are normally available through your Network
Coordinator. The current and past issues are also available from
the following sources:

+ -- -- -- -- -- -- - FIDONEWS AVAILABILITY - -- -- -- -- -- -- +
| |
| File request from 2:2/2 or 2:203/0: |
| current issue FIDONEWS |
| back issue, volume v, issue ii FNEWSvii.ZIP |
| articles, vol.no nn, issue ii INPUnnii.ZIP |
| |
| On the web: |
| http://eljaco.se/FILES/fnews/ |
| http://fidonews.eu/FNEWS/ |
| |
| The Snooze *and* the FIDONEWS echo in your newsreader: |
| news://eljaco.se/FIDONEWS |
| |
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EDITORIAL

The Fidonews Saga

The first Fidonews issue was published the 4th of December 1984.
The first couple of months Tom Jennings was the editor. Then Thom Henderson took over. Another nine months later single editor era
ended, for the time being, and a team of editors produced our ezine.

Please tell us about the last editor, Frank Vest.

This lasted for about ten years, when Donald Tees became single
editor. But just after four months, he went AWOL and no Snooze was published for over a month (so if you search for FNEWSD23, 24, 25 or
26 and don't find anything, now you know why) until Christopher Baker
took over.

From thereon it was once again a single editor enterprise (AFAIK).

Between the 1st of July 1996 and the 14th of January 2002 (almost
to the day exactly 20 years ago) six editors passed by, giving an
average of less than one year on the post. That day was also the day
that the first issue with this editor was published.

The names of the first 13 editors can be found at the end of the
Fidonews.

Are you sure there were only 13? And how were each of those
editors selected (selected)? Given that at least one of them
died in office. Inquiring minds would like to know ...

As a side note, reading the above mentioned part of the Snooze, I
realized that the Staff listing needed a long overdue update. Fixed.

Staff? What staff? Who is the assistant editor? The name escapes me.

Hopefully this means that fewer people will write to the editor complaining about inaccuracies in the lists.

Letters to the Editor should always be *encouraged* rather
than discouraged. Especially by the "editor". So certainlly
that statement makes no sense. No sense at all.

The proper info *is* after all to be found in the first lines of the lists,
if you care to read it.

Where is the name of Frank Vest listed?

--Lee

--
What beer drinkers drink when they're not drinking beer

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Hello ALL,

EDITORIAL

The Fidonews Saga

The first Fidonews issue was published the 4th of December 1984.

The first couple of months Tom Jennings was the editor. Then Thom

[..]

The names of the first 13 editors can be found at the end of the
Fidonews.

Now I found out what happened.
In the USA, there is no #13.
Kind of like trying to find the 13th floor.
It just does not exist.
Which is why Frank Vest was never a real person.
And thus not listed as editor #13.

My sincerest apologies to all.
And to any person (real or imagined) named Frank Vest.

--Lee

--
Love trumps hate!

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And thus not listed as editor #13.

I don't understand. Do you not see 'Frank L. Vest' at the end of the EDITORS EMERITI list, the big square at the end of the Snooze?



..

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Letters to the Editor should always be *encouraged* rather
than discouraged. Especially by the "editor". So certainlly
that statement makes no sense. No sense at all.

You are right. Maybe next time I'll publish any comment, on the lists that I do not edit, in e.g. the rebuttals column?



- = o = 0 = o = -


Ideas for Subject areas:

Subject File
----------------------------------
Rebuttals to articles *.reb




..

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Bj”rn Felten wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

And thus not listed as editor #13.

I don't understand. Do you not see 'Frank L. Vest' at the end
of the EDITORS EMERITI list, the big square at the end of the
Snooze?

Quit talking to yourself in public, Bj?rn.



... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
=== MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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Quit talking to yourself in public, Bj?rn.

None of that shit in this echo!

//The Moderator




..

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Hello Bj”rn,

Letters to the Editor should always be *encouraged* rather
than discouraged. Especially by the "editor". So certainlly
that statement makes no sense. No sense at all.

You are right. Maybe next time I'll publish any comment, on the lists that I
do not edit, in e.g. the rebuttals column?

Hmmm ... That is food for thought.

- = o = 0 = o = -

Ideas for Subject areas:

Subject File
----------------------------------
Rebuttals to articles *.reb

Thumbs up!

Now all I gotta do is start writing some articles so others
can at least try to rebut ...

--Lee

--
I think they bought a Jeep

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Hello Bj”rn,

And thus not listed as editor #13.

I don't understand. Do you not see 'Frank L. Vest' at the end of the EDITORS
EMERITI list, the big square at the end of the Snooze?

I tried to explain it to you. It is all quite simple, really.
And it is not just the USA that regard the number 13 as unlucky,
but all English-speaking areas.

You see, it all goes back to the Last Supper. The number 13 is
unlucky because one of those thirteen present was the betrayer of
Jesus Christ. And Judas Iscariot, the disciple who betrayed Jesus,
was the 13th to sit at the table.

As you know, Tom Jennings was the first editor of the Fidonews.
And Frank Vest was the 13th to sit at the table. And we all know
what he did ...

--Lee

--
Work sets you free.

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-

As you know, Tom Jennings was the first editor of the Fidonews.
And Frank Vest was the 13th to sit at the table. And we all know
what he did ...

No, we all don't. I don't recall who was the editor when I started out -- I think it was still Tom Jennings on the masthead.


... Listen in total darkness, very quietly
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On 11/01/2022 23:04, Lee Lofaso : Björn Felten wrote:

 BF>> I don't understand. Do you not see 'Frank L. Vest' at the end of the EDITORS
 BF>> EMERITI list, the big square at the end of the Snooze?

I tried to explain it to you. It is all quite simple, really.
And it is not just the USA that regard the number 13 as unlucky,
but all English-speaking areas.

Bullshit! Superstitious claptrap.

You see, it all goes back to the Last Supper. The number 13 is
unlucky because one of those thirteen present was the betrayer of
Jesus Christ. And Judas Iscariot, the disciple who betrayed Jesus,
was the 13th to sit at the table.

As I said - superstition.

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Regards
David

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Hello David,

I don't understand. Do you not see 'Frank L. Vest' at the end of the

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EMERITI list, the big square at the end of the Snooze?

I tried to explain it to you. It is all quite simple, really.
And it is not just the USA that regard the number 13 as unlucky,
but all English-speaking areas.

Bullshit! Superstitious claptrap.

Oh, I am sure some non-English speaking areas also regard the
number 13 as unlucky for the same reason.

You see, it all goes back to the Last Supper. The number 13 is
unlucky because one of those thirteen present was the betrayer of
Jesus Christ. And Judas Iscariot, the disciple who betrayed Jesus,
was the 13th to sit at the table.

As I said - superstition.

There is nothing superstitious about any of this. It is all
in the holy book. Jesus chose all the disciples, and the last
one chosen was Judas Iscariot. And during the last supper he
told all of them that one of them would betray him. After he
finished his meal, he told his betrayer to get on with it,
and went alone to pray in the garden.

12 disciples + 1 Jesus = 13

The last disciple chosen by Jesus was Judas Iscariot.
The last disciple to sit at the table was Judas Iscariot.
The disciple Jesus referred to as "Satan" was Judas Iscariot.

Jesus went alone to pray in the garden.

Some of the disciples later went to see what was going on.

Judas Iscariot approached Jesus and kissed him. On the lips.
In front of Roman soldiers. And seen by some of the disciples.

Do you know what Jewish religious leaders do to guys who
frolick in public places? Roman soldiers might not care, but
Jewish religious leaders definitely do.

And what about the other disciples? What do you think went
through their heads when they found out that Judas Iscariot
and Jesus were closer than brothers?

Yes, Jesus was defintely right. One of them most definitely
did betray him. Which is why the number 13 is, and always will
be, an unlucky number.

Unless you think Jesus was a girl.

--Lee

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Oh, I am sure some non-English speaking areas also regard the
number 13 as unlucky for the same reason.

My daughter has birthday the 13th. She's the luckiest person I know.

http://eljaco.se/Zandra.jpg





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Hello, Bj”rn!

Saturday January 15 2022 21:14, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

Oh, I am sure some non-English speaking areas also regard the
number 13 as unlucky for the same reason.

My daughter has birthday the 13th. She's the luckiest person I
know.

http://eljaco.se/Zandra.jpg

Amazing! ;)

My sister's birthday is 13th of May. Also very lucky, more than me, for sure ;)

Best regards,
dp.

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