What happened to the Troll ?

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 06.05.2022 09:22

WD> What happened to the Troll ?

Preparations for V-day maybe? ;=)

Bye, Ward!
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What happened to the Troll ?

Preparations for V-day maybe? ;=)

Glad you're still there, I began to miss you ... 8-)

Anything particular to celebrate on May 8th ... ?

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Anything particular to celebrate on May 8th ... ?

Naughty... 8-)



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Hello, alexander!

Friday May 06 2022 12:21, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

What happened to the Troll ?

Preparations for V-day maybe? ;=)

I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

Best regards,
dp.

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Anything particular to celebrate on May 8th ... ?

Naughty... 8-)

Well what do you expect of a country which even lies about the end of WW2 in the western theatre of operations ... rewriting history refined to an art ...

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Well what do you expect of a country which even lies about the end of
WW2 in the western theatre of operations ... rewriting history refined
to an art ...

They were probably too busy raping and pillaging Berlin to notice what day it was.



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07 May 22 00:20, Dmitry Protasoff -> alexander koryagin:

Hello, alexander!

Friday May 06 2022 12:21, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

What happened to the Troll ?

Preparations for V-day maybe? ;=)

I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

We have annoyed on this a lot. Someday russians will open their eyes.

Best regards,
dp.

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Nick

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Mick,

I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

We have annoyed on this a lot. Someday russians will open their eyes.

Let us really hope so, and that it doesn't take too long ... and Ukraine a member of the EU and NATO ...

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Hi, Dmitry!

07 May 22 00:20, you wrote to alexander koryagin:

Preparations for V-day maybe? ;=)

I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

You've just returned in Russia right in every town ? Ne pizdabol', a ?


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Hello, Oleg!

Saturday May 07 2022 17:43, you wrote to me:

I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

You've just returned in Russia right in every town ? Ne pizdabol', a ?

I drove thru many towns and new swastikas where in every single town I visited.


Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 07.05.2022 10:55

NS>>DP> I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in
NS>> every town. We have annoyed on this a lot. Someday russians
NS>> will open their eyes.
WD> Let us really hope so, and that it doesn't take too long ...
WD> and Ukraine a member of the EU and NATO ...

It was an idea of some idiots that doing Ukraine a NATO member will
cause peace and tranquility. ;=)


Bye, Ward!
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Let us really hope so, and that it doesn't take too long ...
and Ukraine a member of the EU and NATO ...

It was an idea of some idiots that doing Ukraine a NATO member will
cause peace and tranquility. ;=)

With a NATO membership, the current invasion would not have happened ... and probably the Dombas-dispute would have been resolved via the EU ...

Happy 8 May, V-E Day ... the end of WW2 in Europe ...

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Anything particular to celebrate on May 8th ... ?

Naughty... 8-)

Well what do you expect of a country which even lies about the end of
WW2 in the western theatre of operations ... rewriting history refined
to an art ...

In all fairness, the actual time for the ceasefire, as ordered by the German high command, was 8 May 23:01 CET. That was 9 May 00:01 even in Finland, and, of course, in Moscow (UTC+3) it *was* 9 May 01:01.

http://eljaco.se/files/VE-day.png




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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 07.05.2022 00:20

WD>>> What happened to the Troll ?
ak>> Preparations for V-day maybe? ;=)
DP> I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

Yes, it is on mine block-of-flats too.

But as I said before -- the west should not be arrogant and it should understand the point of Russia and why so many Russians support Putin's invasion. I even would say that Putin even gains popularity doing what
he is doing now, despite that sanctions affected many common people. The
key for understanding is the slogan under "Z". The more anti Russian
rhetoric appears in Ukraine the more popular Putin becomes.

https://i.ibb.co/hLR7myr/Zslogan1024.jpg
The slogan says "We don't give up our people".

The result of this havoc will be the choice of the pro Russia people in
the South and East of Ukraine. Exactly they will classify the sides.
We'll see who they blame for destructions in their cities -- the
unwanted Ukraine "defenders", or unwanted Russian "liberators from
Ukrainian nationalists". Their sentence cannot be appealed. In the
second choice the Russian troops will loose any reason to stay in that regions.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 08.05.2022 12:16

WD>>> Let us really hope so, and that it doesn't take too long... and
WD>>> Ukraine a member of the EU and NATO...

ak>> It was an idea of some idiots that doing Ukraine a NATO member
ak>> will cause peace and tranquility. ;=)

WD> With a NATO membership, the current invasion would not have
WD> happened... and probably the Dombas-dispute would have been
WD> resolved via the EU...

They say the road to hell paved with good intentions. Politicians should
not be radicals or idiots. They should understand where they should use negotiations and compromises. The best skill of a politician is not
starting a war, but war preventing. Ukrainian leaders posed before
Russia in a hard-edged stance, ready to fight. And they got what they
wanted. If an idiot poke a bear in its den it finally ends up badly for
the idiot. But if a balanced national policy would have continued in
Ukraine after 2014 -- nothing bad happened.

Bye, Ward!
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They say the road to hell paved with good intentions. Politicians should
not be radicals or idiots. They should understand where they should use negotiations and compromises. The best skill of a politician is not
starting a war, but war preventing. Ukrainian leaders posed before
Russia in a hard-edged stance, ready to fight. And they got what they
wanted. If an idiot poke a bear in its den it finally ends up badly for
the idiot. But if a balanced national policy would have continued in
Ukraine after 2014 -- nothing bad happened.

Ukraine never wanted or started any war. Russia did.

Russia's entire narrative is false. Things like nazi's in Ukraine. It's a ridiculous idea to make and spread. Even more ridiculous that the people of Russia would believe such nonsense.

Today Putin said (at the victory day parade speech) that it had no choice because it was attacked. That is simply untrue. Russia was not attacked or threatened with attack. Russia is the aggressor in this war.

He also said that the west had threatened it with nuclear war. Another lie. The west has not threatened any kind of war. It is Russia that rattles it's nuclear sabres.

No amount of lies and propaganda can overcome these basic facts.

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Hello, alexander!

Monday May 09 2022 12:44, you wrote to me:

I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

Yes, it is on mine block-of-flats too.

But as I said before -- the west should not be arrogant and it should understand the point of Russia and why so many Russians support
Putin's invasion. I even would say that Putin even gains popularity

No, they don't have to. They need to stop Putin, and that's all.
That's why sanctions are in place.

And Russian authorities said many times that "sanctions are good for our country" ;)

https://i.ibb.co/hLR7myr/Zslogan1024.jpg
The slogan says "We don't give up our people".

But Russia always gave up "our people". It's just another lie.

The result of this havoc will be the choice of the pro Russia people
in the South and East of Ukraine. Exactly they will classify the

I see that people from Mariupol are going into EU, because they don't want to stay in Russia.
Real people, not TV puppets.


Best regards,
dp.

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Alexander,

But if a balanced national policy would have continued in
Ukraine after 2014 -- nothing bad happened.

The agressor is Russia, not Ukraine. Russia created the Donbas-controversy which was nothing else but the prelude to the already long planned invasion of Ukraine ... all part of the strategy.

Putin's speech today about the west endangering Russia's territorial qualities is absolutely laughable ... Anybody really believes that?

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 09.05.2022 13:22

ak>> They say the road to hell paved with good intentions. Politicians
ak>> should not be radicals or idiots. They should understand where
ak>> they should use negotiations and compromises. The best skill of a
ak>> politician is not starting a war, but war preventing. Ukrainian
ak>> leaders posed before Russia in a hard-edged stance, ready to
ak>> fight. And they got what they wanted. If an idiot poke a bear in
ak>> its den it finally ends up badly for the idiot. But if a balanced
ak>> national policy would have continued in Ukraine after 2014 --
ak>> nothing bad happened.
AI> Ukraine never wanted or started any war. Russia did.
AI> Russia's entire narrative is false. Things like nazi's in Ukraine.
AI> It's a ridiculous idea to make and spread. Even more ridiculous
AI> that the people of Russia would believe such nonsense.

Open your eyes -- after Ukrainian troops unleashed a war the eastern
Ukraine, in Donbass, in 2014 a half a million of Donbass citizens were
forced to search refuge in Russia _only in 2014_. New Ukrainian
authority had bet on force and blood from the beginning.

AI> Today Putin said (at the victory day parade speech) that it had no
AI> choice because it was attacked. That is simply untrue. Russia was

Putin didn't say that Ukraine attacked Russia. He said that Russia did a preventive strike. Try the Google translator if you are allowed visit
the Kremlin site:

http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/68366

AI> not attacked or threatened with attack. Russia is the aggressor in
AI> this war.

Russia did what for instance Israel did many times, without asking
anybody permission. And now Russia feels the same warm looks of European countries as Israel does, from the Arab nations. ;-)

AI> He also said that the west had threatened it with nuclear war.
AI> Another lie. The west has not threatened any kind of war. It is
AI> Russia that rattles it's nuclear sabres.

Nothing of this kind was in his speech, but earlier he claimed that it
was unacceptable if NATO would come as close to Moscow as Ukraine.

AI> No amount of lies and propaganda can overcome these basic facts.

Poop translation maybe? ;-)

Bye, Alan!
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 09.05.2022 14:08

ak>> But as I said before -- the west should not be arrogant and it
ak>> should understand the point of Russia and why so many Russians
ak>> support Putin's invasion. I even would say that Putin even gains
ak>> popularity

DP> No, they don't have to. They need to stop Putin, and that's all.
DP> That's why sanctions are in place.

DP> And Russian authorities said many times that "sanctions are good
DP> for our country" ;)

BTW, I have an impression that the sanctions have reached to such level
that Putin now has a feeling that he can do anything he wants and it
cannot be worse anyway. ;) Probably soon he will do the things he never though of before. For instance, he can declare that a frozen Russian
actives is a fair price for Ukraine Russian speaking chunks. ;-) It
looks like two snakes frantically try to eat each other making an
infernal ring. But IMHO the shorter one should end up quicker, not
important how much to feed it. ;=)

ak>> https://i.ibb.co/hLR7myr/Zslogan1024.jpg
ak>> The slogan says "We don't give up our people".

DP> But Russia always gave up "our people". It's just another lie.

It is true. But it means only Russia should stop, at last, such a practice.

ak>> The result of this havoc will be the choice of the pro Russia
ak>> people in the South and East of Ukraine. Exactly they will
ak>> classify the

DP> I see that people from Mariupol are going into EU, because they
DP> don't want to stay in Russia. Real people, not TV puppets.

It would be indicative -- the position of people whose dwellings was destroyed. If they would greet Russian troops it will tell everything.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 10.05.2022 00:23

ak>> But if a balanced national policy would have continued in Ukraine
ak>> after 2014 -- nothing bad happened.

WD> The agressor is Russia, not Ukraine. Russia created the Donbas-
WD> controversy which was nothing else but the prelude to the already
WD> long planned invasion of Ukraine... all part of the strategy.

WD> Putin's speech today about the west endangering Russia's
WD> territorial qualities is absolutely laughable... Anybody really
WD> believes that?

I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro Russian
forces came to power, and they want to enter into a military union with
Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a different reaction from the US?

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday May 10 2022 12:14, you wrote to me:

No, they don't have to. They need to stop Putin, and that's all.
That's why sanctions are in place.

And Russian authorities said many times that "sanctions are good
for our country" ;)

BTW, I have an impression that the sanctions have reached to such
level that Putin now has a feeling that he can do anything he wants
and it cannot be worse anyway. ;) Probably soon he will do the things

He is an old and poorly educated guy, soviet era madman.
Something like soviet modem - terrible looking and very buggy piece of junk :)

he never though of before. For instance, he can declare that a frozen

Eat someone alive?

Russian actives is a fair price for Ukraine Russian speaking chunks.
;-) It looks like two snakes frantically try to eat each other making

It's very difficult to predict madman's ideas.

But Russia always gave up "our people". It's just another lie.

It is true. But it means only Russia should stop, at last, such a practice.

Russia is not going to stop it. Putin doesn't care about real people, they like pawns to him.


Best regards,
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Ukraine never wanted or started any war. Russia did.
Russia's entire narrative is false. Things like nazi's in Ukraine.
It's a ridiculous idea to make and spread. Even more ridiculous
that the people of Russia would believe such nonsense.

Open your eyes --

Indeed! Open your eyes old man!

after Ukrainian troops unleashed a war the eastern
Ukraine, in Donbass, in 2014 a half a million of Donbass citizens were
forced to search refuge in Russia _only in 2014_. New Ukrainian
authority had bet on force and blood from the beginning.

Ukraine did not unleash war. War was created by Russia. Yes, even in 2014 it was so. Ukraine was then and is now defending Ukraine, in Ukraine.

Today Putin said (at the victory day parade speech) that it had no
choice because it was attacked. That is simply untrue. Russia was

Putin didn't say that Ukraine attacked Russia. He said that Russia did a preventive strike. Try the Google translator if you are allowed visit
the Kremlin site:

He did indeed say that Russia was attacked or threatened with attack. Neither is true.

http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/68366

No need, I saw him make the speech live.

Russia did what for instance Israel did many times, without asking
anybody permission. And now Russia feels the same warm looks of European countries as Israel does, from the Arab nations. ;-)

I wouldn't take Israel as a role model any more than Russia.

He also said that the west had threatened it with nuclear war.
Another lie. The west has not threatened any kind of war. It is
Russia that rattles it's nuclear sabres.

Nothing of this kind was in his speech, but earlier he claimed that it
was unacceptable if NATO would come as close to Moscow as Ukraine.

You didn't watch the speech did you? He did indeed say that Russia was threatened with nuclear war/weapons. There have been no such threats/actions.

No amount of lies and propaganda can overcome these basic facts.

Poop translation maybe? ;-)

Maybe but I doubt it. I'll have another look/listen to his speech.

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Alexander,

I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a different reaction from the US?

Too many parameters in that equation are different and nonsense ... why don't you stick to the simple fact that Russia is the agressor here ...

Putin claimed that the west was threatening to invade Russia and change the country. While that claim is utter nonsense, it probably would be a good deal for the Russian people ...

I will never forget my only stay in St.Petersburg in 2009 for 2 weeks ... walking through the neighbourhoods, taking public transport ... when you tried to look at people and make eye-contact, maybe start a conversation, they would always turn their head away and look in another direction.

Russians need a Tsar, a strong leader. Stalin was a strong leader and the Ruskis liked him ... or at least pretended they did. Gorbatchov dissolved the USSR and therefor was not a good Tsar, neither was Jeltsin... It's a little bit like the Christmas story where we're waiting for the next coming of the christ ... Russians are waiting for their next Tsar and Putin tries to be the one by identfying an issue, even if it is completely fabricated from beginning till end, and quickly solve it by a surgically quick sweep of Ukraine, capture Kiyv, depose the president and return a puppet-regime to power in a matter of 4-5 days. Didn't work, he's not the great new Tsar.

So all the troops are shifted to the Donbas ... these should be such overwhelming numbers that it ought to be an easy and a quick-win ... isn't happening, Putin's again not the great new Tsar.

Eventually the system supporting Putin, as he can not do it by himself, will start to unsupport him and he will topple ... maybe next month, maybe in half a year, maybe in a year ... Russia has already lost the war in Ukraine, and maybe also the Donbas.

All your nonsense about the so-called mass-murder in East-Ukraine, just think about it ... when that Ukrainian army is capable of pushing back the well equipped fighting machine which the Russian army is, why have they not swept away the rebels? Unless the rebels were already the Russian army ... since 2014 ...

There's no new Tsar yet in Russia, Putin will topple, reforms will happen, trade will resume, Russia will pay again for Boeings and Airbusses ... but the days of gas and oil are a thing of the past ... Unless you can sell to China, Russia will be way way less prosperous than it used to be.

For the size of that country and the mineral richness, it has a ridiculous small Gross National Product.

A few days ago a Belgian TV crew encountered a train full with Russian corpses in body bags, not propaganda, our own crews ... 60-80 corpses per freightcar. Russia refuses to accept them for proper burial ... they're also not in the Russian statistics ...

The video which was released with survivors of the Moskva shows you men that are listed as "missing" after the sinking ... lie upon lie upon lie ...

Russia is swamped in the most incredible bog of lies that humanity has ever seen ... I wonder how many Russians are ashamed at being Russian ...

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WD> Putin's speech today about the west endangering Russia's
WD> territorial qualities is absolutely laughable... Anybody really
WD> believes that?

I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a different reaction from the US?

Bye, Ward!

that's a very good analogy, too.

putin's invasion is totally justified in my opinion. the united states is just involved because their corrupt politicians have bad dirty deals with the ukraine govt. that being said, if trump was president this would have never happened. if someone disagrees with that, i question their sanity.

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BTW, I have an impression that the sanctions have reached to such level that Putin now has a feeling that he can do anything he wants and it cannot be worse anyway. ;) Probably soon he will do the thing

He is an old and poorly educated guy, soviet era madman.
Something like soviet modem - terrible looking and very buggy piece of jun

he never though of before. For instance, he can declare that a frozen

i'm not sure about putin's education other than what i've seen on wikipedia.

He appears to be an intelligent man who is not to be messed with.
I wouldn't want to piss him off.

I wonder how many people he's killed. He probably has a huge bodycount if you count ordered individual deaths.

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Hello, Jas!

Tuesday May 10 2022 07:41, you wrote to me:

i'm not sure about putin's education other than what i've seen on wikipedia.

He cannot even use computer to visit wikipedia :) He was small KGB officer, they were never intelligent guys with good education.

He appears to be an intelligent man who is not to be messed with.
I wouldn't want to piss him off.

I wonder how many people he's killed. He probably has a huge bodycount
if you count ordered individual deaths.

Yes, but this doesn't make him smart.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Jas!

Tuesday May 10 2022 07:41, you wrote to me:

i'm not sure about putin's education other than what i've seen on wikipedia.

He cannot even use computer to visit wikipedia :) He was small KGB officer they were never intelligent guys with good education.

i dunno. do you have personal knowledge about him?
you better watch what you say or you will be drinking some plutonium tea.

I wonder how many people he's killed. He probably has a huge bodycoun if you count ordered individual deaths.

Yes, but this doesn't make him smart.

he's alive and they are dead.

Putin has been in power for 2 decades. doesn't sound like a stupid guy to me.

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Putin has been in power for 2 decades. doesn't sound like a stupid guy to me.

There's a difference between bright, smart, keen, witty, intelligent, resourceful, etc ...

Putin is not a single person, he's the exponent of a system. Remove Putin and eventully another Putin will step forward ... or be shoved forward by the system ...

BTW, what's your real name?

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On 10 May 22 18:07:30, Ward Dossche said the following to Jas Hud:

BTW, what's your real name?

Lefaso junior.

Nick

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Putin has been in power for 2 decades. doesn't sound like a stupid guy to me.

There's a difference between bright, smart, keen, witty, intelligent, resourceful, etc ...

Putin is not a single person, he's the exponent of a system. Remove Putin eventully another Putin will step forward ... or be shoved forward by the system ...

yeah but what politican isnt.

BTW, what's your real name?

you asked me that years ago.

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On 10 May 22 18:07:30, Ward Dossche said the following to Jas Hud:

BTW, what's your real name?

Lefaso junior.

Nick

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He also said that the west had threatened it with nuclear war.
Another lie. The west has not threatened any kind of war. It is
Russia that rattles it's nuclear sabres.

Nothing of this kind was in his speech, but earlier he claimed that it
was unacceptable if NATO would come as close to Moscow as Ukraine.

No amount of lies and propaganda can overcome these basic facts.

Poop translation maybe? ;-)

As you suggested the translation I got was poop I had another listen and no, I got it right the first time. He does indeed blame the west for the war in Ukraine instead of the person who gave the order to invade and attack, Putin himself.

Russian soldiers have looted homes of Ukrainian civilians and on exit booby trapped those homes to kill civilians returning to their homes.

https://youtu.be/zTinOAUOVEk

I will not reply to any off topic posts in this area any longer. It's not because I don't like you, or want to talk to you, or value what you have to say. It's just because it's off topic here.

I have posted in the WHAT'S_HOT! area posts about the war. I will continue discussions in that area if you'd like to continue.

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BTW, what's your real name?

Lefaso junior.

Nick

phil mcgracken

So you're a female then?

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BTW, what's your real name?

Lefaso junior.

Not 'Ze real zing' as the French would say?

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On 11 May 22 00:10:17, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

BTW, what's your real name?

Lefaso junior.

Not 'Ze real zing' as the French would say?

Nah, not even a Witt junior.

Nick

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On 05-10-22 12:19, Alexander Koryagin <=-
spoke to Ward Dossche about ? <=-

I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a military union
with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a different reaction from
the US?

The USA actually faced down such an analogy without a war. It was called
the Cuban Missile Crisis.

And in another instance, during WWI the USArmy stationed troops on the
Mexican border as a deterrent since there was a concern that Mexico might become aligned with Germany.

But in both of those examples, the USA did not invade the other country
like Putin did to Ukraine.

Dale Shipp
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On 05-10-22 07:38, Jas Hud <=-
spoke to Alexander Koryagin about Re: ? <=-

I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a different reaction from the US?

that's a very good analogy, too.

putin's invasion is totally justified in my opinion. the united
states is just involved because their corrupt politicians have bad
dirty deals with the ukraine govt. that being said, if trump was president this would have never happened. if someone disagrees with that, i question their sanity.

It might well have been different. Trump would have welcomed them in
and congratulated them on their genius move -- no, wait. He did do
that. He would also have made sure that they did not get the support
they needed to push the Russians back. Then Trump would have encouraged
Putin to finish the deal by going into Moldava, then even Poland.

Dale Shipp
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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 10.05.2022 13:11

AI>>> He also said that the west had threatened it with nuclear war.
AI>>> Another lie. The west has not threatened any kind of war. It is
AI>>> Russia that rattles it's nuclear sabres.

ak>> Nothing of this kind was in his speech, but earlier he claimed
ak>> that it was unacceptable if NATO would come as close to Moscow as
ak>> Ukraine.

AI> You didn't watch the speech did you? He did indeed say that Russia
AI> was threatened with nuclear war/weapons. There have been no such
AI> threats/actions.

The only mention about a nuclear threat in the speech was the claim that Ukraine wants to get nuclear weapon. Or give the citation from the
speech text.

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 10.05.2022 15:15

ak>> I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro
ak>> Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a
ak>> military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a
ak>> different reaction from the US?

WD> Too many parameters in that equation are different and nonsense...
WD> why don't you stick to the simple fact that Russia is the agressor
WD> here...

First of all you should understand that nobody wanted to take away
Ukraine sovereignty, to make them slaves etc. Russia wanted to gain
concrete political aims, mainly to stop fighting in Donbass. By force if
they don't wont to do it peacefully. It was a crazy idea for Ukrainian
regime enter in the war with Russia. Everything could be solved without victims if Ukraine would really wanted it. But too many people in
Ukraine wanted to fight. The authority people in Kiev hated Russia so
much that the compromise was not possible. A huge part of the current bloodshed lies on them. But after the blood spilt the war almost never
can be stopped quickly.

<skipped>
WD> I will never forget my only stay in St. Petersburg in 2009 for 2
WD> weeks... walking through the neighbourhoods, taking public
WD> transport... when you tried to look at people and make eye-contact,
WD> maybe start a conversation, they would always turn their head away
WD> and look in another direction.

;-)) Well, probably you looked too suspicious. I imagine how I, for
instance, arrive to some European town and I start to look in the eyes
of the pedestrians and try to make them answer the questions. ;)

WD> Russians need a Tsar, a strong leader. Stalin was a strong leader
WD> and the Ruskis liked him... or at least pretended they did.
WD> Gorbatchov dissolved the USSR and therefor was not a good Tsar,
WD> neither was Jeltsin... It's a little bit like the Christmas story
WD> where we're waiting for the next coming of the christ... Russians
WD> are waiting for their next Tsar and Putin tries to be the one by
WD> identfying an issue, even if it is completely fabricated from
WD> beginning till end, and quickly solve it by a surgically quick
WD> sweep of Ukraine, capture Kiyv, depose the president and return a
WD> puppet-regime to power in a matter of 4-5 days. Didn't work, he's
WD> not the great new Tsar.

It is like to say that Germans needed a dictator in 193s. Probably, the country condition defines the probability of dictatorship. As for the
invasion -- IMHO Putin is trying to solve an unsolvable. It is one more
proof that the power should not be concentrated in hands of one person.
Will the result be a Gordian knot solution? We'll see.

WD> So all the troops are shifted to the Donbas... these should be such
WD> overwhelming numbers that it ought to be an easy and a quick-win...
WD> isn't happening, Putin's again not the great new Tsar.

From another side there is no big necessity to be quick? For instance
NATO methodically bombed Yugoslavia for 78 days before it made
concessions. But note, that Russian troops have not blown up a single
bridge in Ukraine. Completely different aims.

WD> Eventually the system supporting Putin, as he can not do it by
WD> himself, will start to unsupport him and he will topple... maybe
WD> next month, maybe in half a year, maybe in a year... Russia has
WD> already lost the war in Ukraine, and maybe also the Donbas.

We are cool divan experts, yeah. ;-)

WD> All your nonsense about the so-called mass-murder in East-Ukraine,
WD> just think about it... when that Ukrainian army is capable of
WD> pushing back the well equipped fighting machine which the Russian
WD> army is, why have they not swept away the rebels? Unless the rebels
WD> were already the Russian army... since 2014...

I told you already -- Ukraine "defenders" hid themselves in Russian
speaking cities and towns, and there is no way to chase them out without grounding the towns. The same problem Ukraine military had in Donetsk
for 8 years, but they could not flatten it just because Russia would not
allow to do it.

WD> There's no new Tsar yet in Russia, Putin will topple, reforms will
WD> happen, trade will resume, Russia will pay again for Boeings and
WD> Airbusses... but the days of gas and oil are a thing of the past...
WD> Unless you can sell to China, Russia will be way way less
WD> prosperous than it used to be.

BTW Russia has many other resources to sell besides oil and gas. The
west pushes Russia to become China's inexhaustible supply room which
soon will make China the greatest and strongest country in the world. I
I very doubt that the fucking, miserable reason to defend
ultra-nationalists in Ukraine was worth it.

WD> For the size of that country and the mineral richness, it has a
WD> ridiculous small Gross National Product.

I've already told here that Russians are ready suffer for justice. It is
a national character. ;)

WD> A few days ago a Belgian TV crew encountered a train full with
WD> Russian corpses in body bags, not propaganda, our own crews... 60-
WD> 80 corpses per freightcar. Russia refuses to accept them for proper
WD> burial... they're also not in the Russian statistics...

The war is an awful thing who disagree with it?

WD> The video which was released with survivors of the Moskva shows you
WD> men that are listed as "missing" after the sinking... lie upon lie
WD> upon lie...

Did you show it on Ukrainian TV? Give me the URL. As for packs of lie
and fakes there are a lot of them on both sides.

WD> Russia is swamped in the most incredible bog of lies that humanity
WD> has ever seen... I wonder how many Russians are ashamed at being
WD> Russian...

A few. As for me I despise those Ukrainian nationalists who started all
this havoc more. BTW there is a good test to disclose Nazi. If some
people destroy memorials of Red Army soldiers who fought with Hitler,
glorify those who collaborate with him it is a reliable sign of
Neo-Nazi. There are a lot of them in Ukraine and Baltic states. So it
just impossible for me to be on their side.

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 11.05.2022 01:23

AI> As you suggested the translation I got was poop I had another

I ment not poop translation but poor one. My mistake.

AI> listen and no, I got it right the first time. He does indeed
AI> blame the west for the war in Ukraine instead of the person who
AI> gave the order to invade and attack, Putin himself. Russian
AI> soldiers have looted homes of Ukrainian civilians and on exit
AI> booby trapped those homes to kill civilians returning to their homes.
AI> https://youtu.be/zTinOAUOVEk

;) Ukrainian people of course don't loot the left houses. Yeah. As for
booby traps for civilians who returns to their homes -- no comment for
this nonsense. But I watched the similar report what to do Ukrainian
troops when they left.

AI> will not reply to any off topic posts in
AI> this area any longer. It's not because I don't like you, or want to
AI> talk to you, or value what you have to say. It's just because it's off
AI> topic here.

I have no access to WHAT'S_HOT!

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Dale Shipp!
I read your message from 11.05.2022 00:27

AK>> I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro
AK>> Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a
AK>> military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a
AK>> different reaction from the US?

DS> The USA actually faced down such an analogy without a war. It was
DS> called the Cuban Missile Crisis.

DS> And in another instance, during WWI the USArmy stationed troops on
DS> the Mexican border as a deterrent since there was a concern that
DS> Mexico might become aligned with Germany.

DS> But in both of those examples, the USA did not invade the other
DS> country like Putin did to Ukraine.

The US would either flatten Cuba down or it could be a nuclear war with
the USSR. Happily a peaceful agreement with the USSR was achieved which satisfied both sides. For instance, Cuba did not become a member of the
Warsaw treaty. The US gave the assurance to the USSR that it will not
invade Cuba.
The difference is that now the US and NATO flatly refused to make any concessions to Russia in relation to Ukraine, probably not considering
Russia as a country worthy to for it. They also carry a big part of responsibility of the current crisis.

Bye, Dale!
Alexander Koryagin
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Russian soldiers have looted homes of Ukrainian civilians and on exit
booby trapped those homes to kill civilians returning to their homes.

https://youtu.be/zTinOAUOVEk

;) Ukrainian people of course don't loot the left houses. Yeah. As for
booby traps for civilians who returns to their homes -- no comment for
this nonsense. But I watched the similar report what to do Ukrainian
troops when they left.

Of course they didn't. This is not an isolated incident.

https://youtu.be/j2KOtM0Fhzk

This war that you support with propaganda is nonsense.

will not reply to any off topic posts in
this area any longer. It's not because I don't like you, or want to
talk to you, or value what you have to say. It's just because it's off
topic here.

I have no access to WHAT'S_HOT!

Any appropriate area you have access to will do.

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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday May 11 2022 10:33, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

First of all you should understand that nobody wanted to take away
Ukraine sovereignty, to make them slaves etc. Russia wanted to gain

Putin wants to take away it. Actually it already doing so.
Russia already forced +7 numeration usage in occupied part of Ukraine, this is actully againts all international agreements that Russia signed.

the current bloodshed lies on them. But after the blood spilt the war almost never can be stopped quickly.

And now it's a crime to go out with slogan "Stop fascism" in Russia because we are acting exactly as fascist state.
To be against current war in Russia is a crime itself.
It's like 1984.

From another side there is no big necessity to be quick? For instance
NATO methodically bombed Yugoslavia for 78 days before it made
concessions. But note, that Russian troops have not blown up a single

There was a bloody war in Yougoslavia since 1991 and Russia did nothing to stop it.

bridge in Ukraine. Completely different aims.

Fake news - they blown a lot of bridges already. As I said - the whole modern Russian ideology is just 1 big lie.

Best regards,
dp.

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|03Quoting message from |11Ward Dossche |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1111 May 22 00:08:57|03.

BTW, what's your real name?

Lefaso junior.

Nick

phil mcgracken

So you're a female then?

sorry dude, try plentyoffish or something

... Dude did you see her? I think I'm pitching a tent!

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 11.05.2022 12:14

ak>> NATO methodically bombed Yugoslavia for 78 days before it
ak>> made concessions. But note, that Russian troops have not
ak>> blown up a single
DP> There was a bloody war in Yougoslavia since 1991 and Russia did
DP> nothing to stop it.
ak>> bridge in Ukraine. Completely different aims.
DP> Fake news - they blown a lot of bridges already. As I said -
DP> the whole modern Russian ideology is just 1 big lie.

You should understand that NATO never wanted to put their boots in
Yugoslavia -- that's why they didn't need to spare bridges there. But it
will be funny if Russia would blow up bridges ahead of it troops. All
bridges that were blown up were blown up by the Ukrainian military.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 11.05.2022 11:30

AI> Of course they didn't. This is not an isolated incident.
AI> https://youtu.be/j2KOtM0Fhzk
AI> This war that you support with propaganda is nonsense.

To understand better what is going on just look how neo-Nazi in Latvia
removed the flowers laid to the fallen Red Army soldiers using a
bulldozer. It happened on May 9. This video is enough to double the
supporters of Putin's invasion in Russia.

https://youtu.be/w4O0LRwmJGo?t=32

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello Alan,

I will not reply to any off topic posts in this area any longer. It's not because I don't like you, or want to talk to you, or value what you have to
say. It's just because it's off topic here.

I am not sure if any topic in this echo can be "off topic" - unless
the moderator specifically requests it be dropped. But there are other
echoes where some discussions would be better suited.

I have posted in the WHAT'S_HOT! area posts about the war. I will continue discussions in that area if you'd like to continue.

Great idea! That echo used to be very popular, years ago. The
news stories were about topic from around the world, not limited
to politics but about everything under the sun. Not just in the
US, but from around the world.

Jesus resurrected two people from the dead. Maybe more, but how
many dead people coming back to life does it take for the crowds
of onlookers to truly believe?

One echo can't be all that hard to do. Lurkers will come out of the
shadows once they realize the Fido Messiah is here. And you know what
that means ...

--Lee

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Hello Alexander,

He also said that the west had threatened it with nuclear war.
Another lie. The west has not threatened any kind of war. It is
Russia that rattles it's nuclear sabres.

Nothing of this kind was in his speech, but earlier he claimed
that it was unacceptable if NATO would come as close to Moscow as
Ukraine.

You didn't watch the speech did you? He did indeed say that Russia
was threatened with nuclear war/weapons. There have been no such
threats/actions.

The only mention about a nuclear threat in the speech was the claim that Ukraine wants to get nuclear weapon. Or give the citation from the
speech text.

US President George W. Bush said the same thing in a speech about
Iraq as his main reason for invading the country. How many nukes were
found after years of searching? None. I wonder how many nukes Putin
will find in Ukraine? My guess would be the same number as GWB found.

--Lee

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You should understand that NATO never wanted to put their boots in Yugoslavia -- that's why they didn't need to spare bridges there. But it will be funny if Russia would blow up bridges ahead of it troops. All bridges that were blown up were blown up by the Ukrainian military.

1) I had a niece and a brother in law serving in Yugoslavia under UN-flag.
Just so you are aware, the UN and NATO are not the same.

2) Of course Russia is not blowing up bridges, they need them to run back to
mommy with all that they stole ...

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To understand better what is going on just look how neo-Nazi in Latvia removed the flowers laid to the fallen Red Army soldiers using a
bulldozer.

One does not need to be a Neo-Nazi to dislike the current leadership in Russia.

Try to live with it that even non-Neo-Nazis at the moment harbor a significant dislike for anything 'Russia' ... You also bypass the notion that Latvians couldn't be quick enough for their country to become member of NATO once they freed themselves from the oppressor ... Face it, Russia was 'never' liked by any of the Baltic states.

\%/@rd

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BTW, what's your real name?

...

phil mcgracken

So you're a female then?

sorry dude, try plentyoffish or something

You need to be a female to phil yr mcgracken ...

{It's really bad when a joke needs to be explained}

\%/@rd

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Hello alexander!

** On Wednesday 11.05.22 - 14:35, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

To understand better what is going on just look how neo-
Nazi in Latvia removed the flowers laid to the fallen Red
Army soldiers using a bulldozer. It happened on May 9.
This video is enough to double the supporters of Putin's
invasion in Russia.

https://youtu.be/w4O0LRwmJGo?t=32

The commentator/reporter of that piece is TERRIBLE. He starts
with pre-conditioning the listener... "what you are about to
see is horrific, filled with bitterness and pain.. the
monsterous reality when everything is destroyed" BS. He's not
reporting anything. He's conditioning you to think a specific
way.

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*** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

Hello, alexander!

Wednesday May 11 2022 14:26, you wrote to me:

nothing to stop it.

bridge in Ukraine. Completely different aims.

Fake news - they blown a lot of bridges already. As I said -
the whole modern Russian ideology is just 1 big lie.

You should understand that NATO never wanted to put their boots in Yugoslavia -- that's why they didn't need to spare bridges there. But

Peacekeeping forces were in Yugoslavia since 1992, main part of them were troops from NATO countries.
So you probably know very little about war in Yugoslavia?

it will be funny if Russia would blow up bridges ahead of it troops.

Russia already retreating in some parts of Ukraine.

All bridges that were blown up were blown up by the Ukrainian
military.

No, it's another lie. As I said - who's gonna believe you now?

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello Alexander,

I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro
Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a
military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a
different reaction from the US?

Too many parameters in that equation are different and nonsense...
why don't you stick to the simple fact that Russia is the agressor
here...

First of all you should understand that nobody wanted to take away
Ukraine sovereignty, to make them slaves etc. Russia wanted to gain concrete political aims, mainly to stop fighting in Donbass. By force if they don't wont to do it peacefully.

If Putin truly wanted peace in Ukraine, he would order all Russian
troops out of every square inch of the country. Including the areas
illegally annexed by Russia. But he will never do that because he
has absolutely no respect for international law, much less the people
of Ukraine or any other country.

If a robber came up to you and held a loaded gun to your head and
demanded "Your money or your life!" he is playing nice by giving you
a choice, and might even be considered a gentleman. But if the robber
simply shoots you dead without even bothering to ask or giving you
a choice, that makes him something far worse.

It was a crazy idea for Ukrainian regime enter in the war with Russia.

Crazy? Surrender is a choice. Not a good one, but a choice nonetheless.
Not just the loss of personal freedom, but also of one's own life.
And when that surrender means not just losing one's own life, but also
the life of one's entire country (and people), that makes it genocide.

Do you think the Jews before and during WWII willingly surrendered to
Hitler knowing it meant their own deaths and those of their loved ones?
What about blacks? And homosexuals? And gypsies? And so many others
who were considered undesirables?

Columbia University awarded the 2022 Pulitzer Prize to the Journalists
of Ukraine (Special Category).

The search for truth is universal. But some folks would never recognize
truth if it bit them in the arse.

Everything could be solved without victims if Ukraine would really wanted it.

Ukrainians are not willing to off themselves. And Putin is not man
enough to do things on his own, preferring to hide inside his own
castle. Which explains his odd behavior when showing up in public.

But too many people in Ukraine wanted to fight.

When a killer threatens to kill, it is either kill or be killed.
Makes no difference whether one likes it or not. You want to live?
Pull the trigger. Otherwise, been nice knowing you.

The authority people in Kiev hated Russia so much that the compromise was not possible.

When a killer pulls a gun on you and threatens to pull the trigger,
your only option is to kill or be killed.

A huge part of the current bloodshed lies on them.

Have you ever been to a cockfight? Those roosters are bred to fight.
Those who can, survive. Those who can't, not even good for frying.
Putin wanted a cockfight. Two roosters enter, one rooster wins ...

But after the blood spilt the war almost never can be stopped quickly.

You have never been to a cockfight.

I will never forget my only stay in St. Petersburg in 2009 for 2
weeks... walking through the neighbourhoods, taking public
transport... when you tried to look at people and make eye-contact,
maybe start a conversation, they would always turn their head away
and look in another direction.

;-)) Well, probably you looked too suspicious. I imagine how I, for instance, arrive to some European town and I start to look in the eyes
of the pedestrians and try to make them answer the questions. ;)

Ward is from Belgium. And very confused as he never knows which
language to speak in his own country. And when traveling to another
country is even more confused. So what else can one expect others
to think when looking at that strange confused tourist from a far
away place?

Russians need a Tsar, a strong leader. Stalin was a strong leader
and the Ruskis liked him... or at least pretended they did.
Gorbatchov dissolved the USSR and therefor was not a good Tsar,
neither was Jeltsin... It's a little bit like the Christmas story
where we're waiting for the next coming of the christ... Russians
are waiting for their next Tsar and Putin tries to be the one by
identfying an issue, even if it is completely fabricated from
beginning till end, and quickly solve it by a surgically quick
sweep of Ukraine, capture Kiyv, depose the president and return a
puppet-regime to power in a matter of 4-5 days. Didn't work, he's
not the great new Tsar.

It is like to say that Germans needed a dictator in 193s. Probably, the country condition defines the probability of dictatorship. As for the invasion -- IMHO Putin is trying to solve an unsolvable. It is one more proof that the power should not be concentrated in hands of one person. Will the result be a Gordian knot solution? We'll see.

One really should not blame the German people about Hitler. After
WWII many Germans asked why we bombed their schools, their hospitals,
their places of worship, etc. What did Germans ever do to deserve any
of that? Hitler tried to defend Germany, and protect Germans from any
and all harm that might come their way.

One could also say the same about people in the USA about FDR. He
was the guy who protected the American people from harm, and defended
the USA from Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and the Empire of Japan.

And of course there is the peoples of the former USSR, who had placed
their trust in Stalin, who protected them from the evils of the world.

Sometimes a people find it necessary to place their trust in a single
person as their leader. Yugoslavia tried to use a leader by council,
with each council member taking a turn, but that did not work out too
well. Wound up dividing itself into several separate countries ...

So all the troops are shifted to the Donbas... these should be such
overwhelming numbers that it ought to be an easy and a quick-win...
isn't happening, Putin's again not the great new Tsar.

From another side there is no big necessity to be quick? For instance
NATO methodically bombed Yugoslavia for 78 days before it made concessions. But note, that Russian troops have not blown up a single bridge in Ukraine. Completely different aims.

Hey. The US did manage to blow up the Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia.
Supposedly by mistake. And just missed Osama bin Laden in the process.

Eventually the system supporting Putin, as he can not do it by
himself, will start to unsupport him and he will topple... maybe
next month, maybe in half a year, maybe in a year... Russia has
already lost the war in Ukraine, and maybe also the Donbas.

We are cool divan experts, yeah. ;-)

Russia needs another Rasputin.

All your nonsense about the so-called mass-murder in East-Ukraine,
just think about it... when that Ukrainian army is capable of
pushing back the well equipped fighting machine which the Russian
army is, why have they not swept away the rebels? Unless the rebels
were already the Russian army... since 2014...

I told you already -- Ukraine "defenders" hid themselves in Russian speaking cities and towns, and there is no way to chase them out without grounding the towns. The same problem Ukraine military had in Donetsk
for 8 years, but they could not flatten it just because Russia would not allow to do it.

The region has been part of Ukraine for longer than anybody can
remember. And yes, many do speak Russian. Even though they are all
citizens of Ukraine. Amazing, isn't it?

There's no new Tsar yet in Russia, Putin will topple, reforms will
happen, trade will resume, Russia will pay again for Boeings and
Airbusses... but the days of gas and oil are a thing of the past...
Unless you can sell to China, Russia will be way way less
prosperous than it used to be.

BTW Russia has many other resources to sell besides oil and gas.

Who is going to buy anything that Russia has to sell? Not even
China is willing to buy what Russia has to offer.

The west pushes Russia to become China's inexhaustible supply room which soon will make China the greatest and strongest country in the world.

China has a strong economy today, but its population is aging.
As such, its economy will continue to weaken as time goes on.

I I very doubt that the fucking, miserable reason to defend ultra-nationalists in Ukraine was worth it.

There are not many "ultra-nationalists" in Ukraine. Or anywhere
else, for that matter.

For the size of that country and the mineral richness, it has a
ridiculous small Gross National Product.

I've already told here that Russians are ready suffer for justice. It is a national character. ;)

Justice? What justice? Or rather whose justice? Justice as
administered by a kangaroo court is not justice of any kind.
No matter how one dresses it up.

A few days ago a Belgian TV crew encountered a train full with
Russian corpses in body bags, not propaganda, our own crews... 60-
80 corpses per freightcar. Russia refuses to accept them for proper
burial... they're also not in the Russian statistics...

The war is an awful thing who disagree with it?

There is no such thing as a just war. So what is there to promote?
Or to defend? Since there is no justification for war (of any kind),
then why even bother to show up at a rally to listen to some
politician who promotes it?

The video which was released with survivors of the Moskva shows you
men that are listed as "missing" after the sinking... lie upon lie
upon lie...

Did you show it on Ukrainian TV? Give me the URL. As for packs of lie
and fakes there are a lot of them on both sides.

It is general knowledge. Google is your friend. Learn how to shake
hands, and let google show you the way.

Russia is swamped in the most incredible bog of lies that humanity
has ever seen... I wonder how many Russians are ashamed at being
Russian...

A few. As for me I despise those Ukrainian nationalists who started all this havoc more. BTW there is a good test to disclose Nazi. If some
people destroy memorials of Red Army soldiers who fought with Hitler, glorify those who collaborate with him it is a reliable sign of
Neo-Nazi. There are a lot of them in Ukraine and Baltic states. So it
just impossible for me to be on their side.

Propaganda has limits. Those limits have been reached long ago.
Time to open your eyes to reality.

--Lee

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Hello Alexander,

[..]

will not reply to any off topic posts in
this area any longer. It's not because I don't like you, or want to
talk to you, or value what you have to say. It's just because it's off
topic here.

I have no access to WHAT'S_HOT!

The CONSPRCY echo would do just as well ...

--Lee

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Hello Alexander,

I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro
Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a
military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a
different reaction from the US?

The USA actually faced down such an analogy without a war. It was
called the Cuban Missile Crisis.

AG Bobby Kennedy made a deal with his Soviet counterpart to get
Kruschev to remove the missiles from Cuba in exchange for the US
to remove its missiles from Turkey.

Kruschev later admitted he never trusted Castro, as the missiles
were never armed. He was then allowed to retire and enjoy the rest
of his days in relative peace ...

And in another instance, during WWI the USArmy stationed troops on
the Mexican border as a deterrent since there was a concern that
Mexico might become aligned with Germany.

Long before then, in 1848, the US Army (led by Jefferson Davis) simply
invaded Mexico and annexed half of the country as part of the USA.

But in both of those examples, the USA did not invade the other
country like Putin did to Ukraine.

US soldiers rode on horseback rather than in tanks, and never flew
airplanes of any kind. And US generals, especially those from the
South, were unstoppable, impervious to anything that could be thrown
at them.

The US would either flatten Cuba down or it could be a nuclear war with the USSR. Happily a peaceful agreement with the USSR was achieved which satisfied both sides. For instance, Cuba did not become a member of the Warsaw treaty. The US gave the assurance to the USSR that it will not invade Cuba.

JFK embarrassed himself with his ill-fated "Bay of Pigs" invasion.
Kruschev embarrassed himself with his attempt to show Fidel Castro
how to use nuclear missiles, who loved to smoke fine Cuban cigars
everyplace and everywhere.

Which explains why JFK never lifted the US embargo against Cuba.
All them Cuban cigars flooding the US market would have put all the
US cigar makers out of business and Fidel Castro would have become
a multi-billionaire.

The difference is that now the US and NATO flatly refused to make any concessions to Russia in relation to Ukraine, probably not considering Russia as a country worthy to for it. They also carry a big part of responsibility of the current crisis.

Must be that Jewish Nazi who gummed up the works. Thinks he is
the reincarnation of Zorro, that masked swordsman who always signed
his name with a Z everywhere he went ...

--Lee

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Hello Alan,

[..]

This war that you support with propaganda is nonsense.

will not reply to any off topic posts in
this area any longer. It's not because I don't like you, or want to
talk to you, or value what you have to say. It's just because it's off
topic here.

I have no access to WHAT'S_HOT!

Any appropriate area you have access to will do.

How about the CONSPRCY echo?

Da Rulz are simple -

Rule #1 - there are no rules.
Rule #2 - see Rule #1.

--Lee, Moderator of CONSPRCY echo

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I have no access to WHAT'S_HOT!

Any appropriate area you have access to will do.

How about the CONSPRCY echo?

Da Rulz are simple -
Rule #1 - there are no rules.
Rule #2 - see Rule #1.
--Lee, Moderator of CONSPRCY echo

I'd rather not get into conspiracies myself, but that could work.

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On 05-11-22 11:04, Alexander Koryagin <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about ? <=-

But in both of those examples, the USA did not invade the other
country like Putin did to Ukraine.

The US would either flatten Cuba down or it could be a nuclear war
with the USSR.

Those possibilities were possible, but thankfully for the world they
were avoided.

Happily a peaceful agreement with the USSR was achieved
which satisfied both sides. For instance, Cuba did not become a member
of the Warsaw treaty. The US gave the assurance to the USSR that it
will not invade Cuba.

The difference is that now the US and NATO flatly refused to make any concessions to Russia in relation to Ukraine, probably not considering Russia as a country worthy to for it. They also carry a big part of responsibility of the current crisis.

What concessions to Russia in relation to Ukraine would you have
expected. Russia invading Ukraine, and why should they have received
any concessions from anyone for that heinous act? It is Russia and
Russia alone that is responsible for the current crisis. That
responsibility will no end until Russia withdraws and makes reparation
for the enormous damage they have done to Ukraine.

Dale Shipp
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(1:261/1466)


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On 05-11-22 10:33, Alexander Koryagin <=-
spoke to Ward Dossche about ? <=-

Russia wanted to gain
concrete political aims, mainly to stop fighting in Donbass.

They could have easily done that by pulling back their support for the
troops in Donbass.

It was a crazy idea for
Ukrainian regime enter in the war with Russia.

DUH. Ukraine did not enter in war with Russia -- it was the other way
around.

But note, that Russian troops have not blown up a single
bridge in Ukraine. Completely different aims.

An attacking army would never blow up bridges. That would impede their advance. The defending army blows up bridges to impede the attacking
army's ability to advance.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 11.05.2022 14:46

ak>> The only mention about a nuclear threat in the speech was
ak>> the claim that Ukraine wants to get nuclear weapon. Or give
ak>> the citation from the speech text.
LL> US President George W. Bush said the same thing in a speech
LL> about Iraq as his main reason for invading the country. How
LL> many nukes were found after years of searching? None. I wonder
LL> how many nukes Putin will find in Ukraine? My guess would be
LL> the same number as GWB found.

Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to have atomic
weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of nuclear stations was able
to make nukes rather quickly.

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 11.05.2022 14:49

WD> 1) I had a niece and a brother in law serving in Yugoslavia
WD> under UN-flag. Just so you are aware, the UN and NATO are
WD> not the same.

Don't tell me a fairy-tale that the UN had sanctioned the bombing of Yugoslavia.

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 11.05.2022 14:54

ak>> To understand better what is going on just look how
ak>> neo-Nazi in Latvia removed the flowers laid to the fallen
ak>> Red Army soldiers using a bulldozer.
WD> One does not need to be a Neo-Nazi to dislike the current
WD> leadership in Russia. Try to live with it that even
WD> non-Neo-Nazis at the moment harbor a significant dislike for
WD> anything 'Russia'

There is a big difference between Red Army soldiers fallen in WW2 and
present Russian troops. Red Army in WW2 consisted of all the nations of
the Soviet Union. It means that many Ukrainians, Belarussians, Georgian, Latvians also were among the soldiers who fought with Hitler and
perished saving the world.

The present neo-Nazi authority of some states literally raped the holy
memory of the fallen soldiers. They demolish and vandalize monuments,
they glorify those who collaborated with Hitler troops. The dislike of
Russia a swinish, miserable excuse. The matter is not in the present day Russia.

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, August Abolins!
I read your message from 11.05.2022 15:28

ak>>https://youtu.be/w4O0LRwmJGo?t=32
AA> The commentator/reporter of that piece is TERRIBLE. He starts
AA> with pre-conditioning the listener... "what you are about to
AA> see is horrific, filled with bitterness and pain.. the
AA> monsterous reality when everything is destroyed" BS. He's not
AA> reporting anything. He's conditioning you to think a specific
AA> way.

There is no need for any comment when you see it.

Bye, August!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 11.05.2022 16:11

ak>> All bridges that were blown up were blown up by the
ak>> Ukrainian military.
DP> No, it's another lie. As I said - who's gonna believe you now?

Ward believes. He said the Russian troops need bridges to retreat and
that why they don't blow them up. ;)

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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*** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

Hello, alexander!

Thursday May 12 2022 09:02, you wrote to me:

All bridges that were blown up were blown up by the
Ukrainian military.

No, it's another lie. As I said - who's gonna believe you now?

Ward believes. He said the Russian troops need bridges to retreat and
that why they don't blow them up. ;)

They are already blowing them in big numbers to stop advancing ukranian troops. Russia failed again.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Thursday May 12 2022 08:43, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

the same number as GWB found.

Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to have atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of nuclear stations was able
to make nukes rather quickly.

They never told that. It was another Putin's lie.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Thursday May 12 2022 08:46, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

1) I had a niece and a brother in law serving in Yugoslavia
under UN-flag. Just so you are aware, the UN and NATO are
not the same.

Don't tell me a fairy-tale that the UN had sanctioned the bombing of Yugoslavia.

UN sent peace keeping forces to Yugoslavia in 1992. Russian were busy eating US sent aid during this era :)

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 12.05.2022 05:15

ak>>>> I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro
ak>>>> Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a
ak>>>> military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a
ak>>>> different reaction from the US?
<skipped>
ak>> First of all you should understand that nobody wanted to take away
ak>> Ukraine sovereignty, to make them slaves etc. Russia wanted to
ak>> gain concrete political aims, mainly to stop fighting in Donbass.
ak>> By force if they don't wont to do it peacefully.

LL> If Putin truly wanted peace in Ukraine, he would order all Russian
LL> troops out of every square inch of the country. Including the areas
LL> illegally annexed by Russia. But he will never do that because he
LL> has absolutely no respect for international law, much less the
LL> people of Ukraine or any other country.

The matter is that the situation between Russia and Ukraine doesn't look
like the invasion Iraq into Kuwait. The matter is not in a territory,
the matter is in people. The divorce of the USSR republics had been done
in a very ugly way. Tens of million of Russian appeared cut off and they
never agreed with it. It looks like when after a divorce the children
were ordered to be a property of one of the parents. If the children are
grown ups and they don't agree with it it will end up with a blow sooner
or later. You should other criteria in this case.

LL> If a robber came up to you and held a loaded gun to your head and
LL> demanded "Your money or your life!" he is playing nice by giving
LL> you a choice, and might even be considered a gentleman. But if the
LL> robber simply shoots you dead without even bothering to ask or
LL> giving you a choice, that makes him something far worse.

You should read some material and understand why Ukraine was actually
divided in two before 2014.

ak>> It was a crazy idea for Ukrainian regime enter in the war with
ak>> Russia.

LL> Crazy? Surrender is a choice. Not a good one, but a choice
LL> nonetheless. Not just the loss of personal freedom, but also of
LL> one's own life. And when that surrender means not just losing one's
LL> own life, but also the life of one's entire country (and people),
LL> that makes it genocide.

Suppose Zelensky (a clever one, not an idiotic clown) would order the Ukrainian troops not to fight with Russia. Russian troops freely
marched, show themselves whenever they wanted and that's all! The
crippling sanctions would do the same as it now, but tens of thousands
of Ukrainians were still alive. You should understand a simple thing if
Russia would not lose a lot of people in this war it would be much
easier for it to leave. Freely get, freely give away, as somebody said.
But after such a heavy price Russia has already paid there is no such a scenario any more.

LL> Do you think the Jews before and during WWII willingly surrendered
LL> to Hitler knowing it meant their own deaths and those of their

You are crazy if you compare Hitler and Putin intentions towards
Ukrainians. ;)

<skipped>

ak>> The authority people in Kiev hated Russia so much that the
ak>> compromise was not possible.

LL> When a killer pulls a gun on you and threatens to pull the trigger,
LL> your only option is to kill or be killed.

Nobody would be killed if Zelensky chose a diplomatic way of solving the crisis. But he imagined that Ukraine have a lot of weapon and he can
defeat Russia, to be Napoleon, and probably he had never read about the Pyrrhic victory. An idiot in short.

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 12.05.2022 05:15

AI>>> will not reply to any off topic posts in
AI>>> this area any longer. It's not because I don't like
AI>>> you, or want to talk to you, or value what you have to
AI>>> say. It's just because it's off topic here.
ak>> I have no access to WHAT'S_HOT!
LL> The CONSPRCY echo would do just as well ...

We can try to move to Debate area. The name is more neutral.

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Thursday May 12 2022 09:36, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

The matter is that the situation between Russia and Ukraine doesn't
look like the invasion Iraq into Kuwait. The matter is not in a
territory, the matter is in people. The divorce of the USSR republics

Iraq also said a lot of words about people in Kuwait. It was a lie, like with Russia and Ukraine.

As I said - ukranians refugees want to go to EU, not to Russia. Russians for them are bloody killers, who raped and burned, stole and tortured.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 12.05.2022 05:15

ak>> The difference is that now the US and NATO flatly refused
ak>> to make any concessions to Russia in relation to Ukraine,
ak>> probably not considering Russia as a country worthy to for
ak>> it. They also carry a big part of responsibility of the
ak>> current crisis.
LL> Must be that Jewish Nazi who gummed up the works. Thinks he is
LL> ??the reincarnation of Zorro, that masked swordsman who always
LL> signed his name with a Z everywhere he went ...

I hope the movie about Zorro will not be shelved in the US. And some boy
would not be arrested after drawing Z on a fence. ;=)

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
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Suppose Zelensky (a clever one, not an idiotic clown) would order the Ukrainian troops not to fight with Russia. Russian troops freely
marched, show themselves whenever they wanted and that's all!

Russia set an invasion force into Ukraine. That was after firing missiles into Ukraine. If Russian people came to Ukraine as visitors then fine, but that is not what they did. Russia sent a large military force into Ukraine to replace the government with a puppet government of their own choosing and occupy the country and subdue it.

Just so you know, that's not how it works!

This was not a Zelensky thing. The people of Ukraine are not and do not want to be subject to Russia or the madman who is in charge of it.

The crippling sanctions would do the same as it now, but tens of thousands
of Ukrainians were still alive.

All of the looting, raping, killing and destruction done in Ukraine was done by the Russian military at the order of Putin. Russia and Putin are at fault, not Ukraine or Ukrainians.

You should understand a simple thing if
Russia would not lose a lot of people in this war it would be much
easier for it to leave. Freely get, freely give away, as somebody said.
But after such a heavy price Russia has already paid there is no such a scenario any more.

You dare complain about the price Russia has paid? Get the hell out of Ukraine! It's that simple. You have no business there. There is nothing for Russia in Ukraine.

Do you think the Jews before and during WWII willingly surrendered
to Hitler knowing it meant their own deaths and those of their

It does not mean your own deaths. Call your soldiers home.

You are crazy if you compare Hitler and Putin intentions towards
Ukrainians. ;)

It is genocide when civilians are killed en masse as they have been in Ukraine.

When a killer pulls a gun on you and threatens to pull the trigger,
your only option is to kill or be killed.

Nobody would be killed if Zelensky chose a diplomatic way of solving the crisis. But he imagined that Ukraine have a lot of weapon and he can
defeat Russia, to be Napoleon, and probably he had never read about the Pyrrhic victory. An idiot in short.

I agree. This action by Russia is idiocy, by an idiot.

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We can try to move to Debate area. The name is more neutral.

I have replied to you in the DEBATE area.

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We can try to move to Debate area. The name is more neutral.

I have replied to you in the DEBATE area.

Have fun there, I'm not going to link another echo with another moderator ...

\%/@rd

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Hi Ward,

On 2022-05-12 11:34:52, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

I have replied to you in the DEBATE area.

Have fun there, I'm not going to link another echo with another moderator

There is no moderator in the DEBATE area! ;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Wilfred,

There is no moderator in the DEBATE area! ;-)

What?

Quick!

Someone grab it, post echo-rules, E-list it ...

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 12.05.2022 10:52

ak>>> We can try to move to Debate area. The name is more
ak>>> neutral.
AI> I have replied to you in the DEBATE area.

We can try, although, as I see it, we can also think that the word
"fidonews" has just changed it meaning, and we discuss news in fido. ;)

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 12.05.2022 09:28

LL>>> the same number as GWB found.
ak>> Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to
ak>> have atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of
ak>> nuclear stations was able to make nukes rather quickly.
DP> They never told that. It was another Putin's lie.

On the Munich conference (before the Putin's invasion) Zelensky
threatened to cancel the Budapest memorandum which doesn't allow Ukraine
to have atomic weapon.

(in Russian) https://vnnews.ru/expressnews/na-myunkhenskoy-konferencii-zelenskiy/

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 12.05.2022 09:29

WD>>> 1) I had a niece and a brother in law serving in
WD>>> Yugoslavia under UN-flag. Just so you are aware,
WD>>> the UN and NATO are not the same.
ak>> Don't tell me a fairy-tale that the UN had sanctioned the
ak>> bombing of Yugoslavia.
DP> UN sent peace keeping forces to Yugoslavia in 1992. Russian
DP> were busy eating US sent aid during this era :)

If you call bombing as a peace keeping troops activity you can consider
in the same way Russian troops in Ukraine. ;)

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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*** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

Hello, alexander!

Friday May 13 2022 10:35, you wrote to me:

Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to
have atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of
nuclear stations was able to make nukes rather quickly.

They never told that. It was another Putin's lie.

On the Munich conference (before the Putin's invasion) Zelensky
threatened to cancel the Budapest memorandum which doesn't allow
Ukraine to have atomic weapon.

But he never said that Ukraine will develop nuclear weapons. Putin never thought about this memorandum when he invaded Ukraine.
You are just bullshiting again - Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and since that tome this document was just a toilet paper.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Friday May 13 2022 10:36, you wrote to me:

UN sent peace keeping forces to Yugoslavia in 1992. Russian
were busy eating US sent aid during this era :)

If you call bombing as a peace keeping troops activity you can

As I said before - Russia did nothing to stop war in Yugoslavia, it only supported serbs.

consider in the same way Russian troops in Ukraine. ;)

No one took part of Yugoslavia when war ended. But Russia started invasion to get more territory.
Russia is doing the same as Nazi Germany in 1930 and you are just repeating Putin's lies.
Who's gonna trust you now?

Best regards,
dp.

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We can try, although, as I see it, we can also think that the word
"fidonews" has just changed it meaning, and we discuss news in fido. ;)

Fidonews is not world news.

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Fidonews is not world news.

Amen to that!

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Hello Alexander,

the same number as GWB found.

Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to
have atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of
nuclear stations was able to make nukes rather quickly.

They never told that. It was another Putin's lie.

On the Munich conference (before the Putin's invasion) Zelensky
threatened to cancel the Budapest memorandum which doesn't allow Ukraine to have atomic weapon.

Ukraine willingly gave up the nukes that Russia had left behind
in 1991. Not that it could have used them, even had it wanted to.

But let's get real.

Germany is not allowed to have nuclear weapons, even though it has
the capability to make as many nuclear weapons as it wants. Yet we
all know it will do so if it finds it necessary.

Germany is also forbidden to use its military outside of Germany,
even though it has the capability to do so. Yet we all know it will
do so if it finds it necessary.

That same can be said about Japan, which actually enshrines such
language in its own constitution.

The question is - who will stop Germany (and/or Japan) from doing
what it wants if and when it chooses to do so?

Would GWB have ordered an invasion of Iraq if Saddam Hussein
had nuclear weapons? Was his reasoning to invade Iraq due to his
own concerns that Iraq might soon be capable of making nuclear
weapons? We know after the fact that Iraq had no nuclear weapons,
or the capability to make nuclear weapons. It was all an excuse -
a very flimsy excuse - for GWB to tell the world he had no choice
but to invade.

The whole world knows Ukraine has no nuclear weapons. The whole
world also knows Ukraine does not have teh capability to make
nuclear weapons. So what is Putin's excuse? Certainly it cannot
be the same flimsy excuse as GWB? Or is it?

A pre-emptive first strike. That made the USA the aggressor in
regards to the conflict in Iraq. Not that Saddam Hussein had any
intention of attacking the USA. The Butcher of Baghdad - the one
guy that GWB had fingered as being the epitome of evil - had
absolutely nothing to do with the events of 9-11.

After a few years, US troops left Iraq. Long after GWB had
retired from politics. Iraqis are still in Iraq, again with
its own leadership, and doing things the Iraqi way.

--Lee

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Hello Dmitry,

Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to
have atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of
nuclear stations was able to make nukes rather quickly.

They never told that. It was another Putin's lie.

On the Munich conference (before the Putin's invasion) Zelensky
threatened to cancel the Budapest memorandum which doesn't allow
Ukraine to have atomic weapon.

But he never said that Ukraine will develop nuclear weapons. Putin never thought about this memorandum when he invaded Ukraine.
You are just bullshiting again - Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and since that tome this document was just a toilet paper.

Ukraine had returned the nukes Russia had left behind after the two
had gotten their divorce in 1991. But that was when Zelensky was still
a kid, having much to learn as he grew up to become a comedian.

--Lee

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Hello Dmitry,

[..]

Russia is doing the same as Nazi Germany in 1930 and you are just repeating
Putin's lies. Who's gonna trust you now?

In May 1930, the Bund Deutscher Madel (League of German Girls) was
established as a female alternative to the Hitler Youth.

AFAIK, no such League of Russian Girls has ever been established
as a female alternative to the Putin Youth.

But I could be wrong.

--Lee

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Hello Alan,

We can try, although, as I see it, we can also think that the word
"fidonews" has just changed it meaning, and we discuss news in fido. ;)

Fidonews is not world news.

It is, however, all the news there is to fit.

--Lee

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Hello Wilfred,

I have replied to you in the DEBATE area.

Have fun there, I'm not going to link another echo with another
moderator

There is no moderator in the DEBATE area! ;-)

Bobby Queen retired from collecting echo tags years ago.
At the time of his retirement, he owned 550+ echo tags.
Not sure if that record will ever be broken ...

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

There is no moderator in the DEBATE area! ;-)

What?

Participants own the echo, and are thus free to moderate
themselves. Or not.

Quick!

Someone grab it, post echo-rules, E-list it ...

I grabbed it, a long time ago, declared myself moderator,
posted rules, and nobody noticed. I even elisted it in my
notebook so nobody would ever hijack it.

And then I lost my notebook. Never to be found again.

That makes you the mod.

--Lee

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Hi Lee,

On 2022-05-13 19:01:09, you wrote to me:

Have fun there, I'm not going to link another echo with another
moderator

There is no moderator in the DEBATE area! ;-)

Bobby Queen retired from collecting echo tags years ago.
At the time of his retirement, he owned 550+ echo tags.
Not sure if that record will ever be broken ...

I don't think there are that many areas left in Fidonet, certainly not active ones...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello, Lee!

Friday May 13 2022 19:00, you wrote to me:

Putin never thought about this memorandum when he invaded
Ukraine. You are just bullshiting again - Russia invaded Ukraine
in 2014 and since that tome this document was just a toilet
paper.

Ukraine had returned the nukes Russia had left behind after the two
had gotten their divorce in 1991. But that was when Zelensky was still
a kid, having much to learn as he grew up to become a comedian.

Zelensky was born in 1978, the same year as me. I was already working since 1991, kids in former SU were much more mature than in Western Europe :)

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Lee!

Friday May 13 2022 19:00, you wrote to me:

AFAIK, no such League of Russian Girls has ever been established
as a female alternative to the Putin Youth.

But I could be wrong.

We've got several organizations for girls only, mostly military oriented: https://rmapo.ru/uploads/posts/2019-06/1561533894_devyatyy-vypusk-2.jpg




Best regards,
dp.

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AFAIK, no such League of Russian Girls has ever been established
as a female alternative to the Putin Youth.

Then what did Samantha Smith associate with during her stay in the USSR ?

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Hello Ward,

AFAIK, no such League of Russian Girls has ever been established
as a female alternative to the Putin Youth.

Then what did Samantha Smith associate with during her stay in the USSR ?

I did say I could be wrong.

--Lee

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Zelensky was born in 1978, the same year as me. I was already working
since 1991, kids in former SU were much more mature than in Western
Europe :)

I've also been told that Russian computers sucked ...

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Hello, Ward!

Tuesday May 17 2022 00:19, you wrote to me:

Zelensky was born in 1978, the same year as me. I was already
working since 1991, kids in former SU were much more mature than
in Western Europe :)

I've also been told that Russian computers sucked ...

My family wasn't able to buy a soviet computer, I had only programmable calculator at home ;)


Best regards,
dp.

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Dmitry,

My family wasn't able to buy a soviet computer, I had only programmable calculator at home ;)

Not a bad deal then.

What I learned as a youngster with limited resources was about the joy of being able to use these limited resources and turn 'm around into a much bigger thing which others with more resources couldn't comprehend.

In the mid-90-ies my then company started with an internet unit and I applied. During the interview, when I explained about the possibility of homebased servers with dynamic IPs such as we did in Fidonet I received the reply I didn't meet the requirement as I obviously did not understand what I was talking about.

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Hello Ward,

Zelensky was born in 1978, the same year as me. I was already working
since 1991, kids in former SU were much more mature than in Western
Europe :)

I've also been told that Russian computers sucked ...

You haven't seen a Russian abacus.

--Lee

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Hello, Ward!

Tuesday May 17 2022 11:24, you wrote to me:

What I learned as a youngster with limited resources was about the joy
of being able to use these limited resources and turn 'm around into a much bigger thing which others with more resources couldn't
comprehend.

So you wanted to live on uninhabited island? :)

In the mid-90-ies my then company started with an internet unit and I applied. During the interview, when I explained about the possibility
of homebased servers with dynamic IPs such as we did in Fidonet I
received the reply I didn't meet the requirement as I obviously did
not understand what I was talking about.

Manager with imagination and technical skills is a rare beast, that's why so many projects fail.
Most of them just want be part of bureaucratic machine.

Best regards,
dp.

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Dmitry,

So you wanted to live on uninhabited island? :)

In a way I have ...

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Hi, Bj?rn Felten!
I read your message from 13.05.2022 14:23

AI>> Fidonews is not world news.
BF> Amen to that!

Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find in fidonews
area how the events had been developing since 2013. Or the messages from
me where I said what will be if Yanukovich be toppled.

Bye, Bj?rn!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Thursday May 19 2022 12:15, you wrote to Bj?rn Felten:

Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find in
fidonews area how the events had been developing since 2013. Or the messages from me where I said what will be if Yanukovich be toppled.

Do you know why binkd connections to nodes in Ukraine are failing from Russia?


Best regards,
dp.

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Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find in fidonews area how the events had been developing since 2013. Or the messages from me where I said what will be if Yanukovich be toppled.

I can only say that I'm sorry for you Alexander. That's actually the name of my brother's oldest son (Alexander Felten), and the name that my wife and I had in store for our first son before that. But he, our first son, turned out to be a she, so she is now Zandra Felten. I'm sure that she is the only person on this planet with that name, so Google may give you interesting reading.

Anyway, as I said, I feel sorry for you. Either you are a wonderful person, that can contribute a lot to the FidoNet community, or you are just a sad human being, brainwashed by the sordid old Soviet style propaganda. If the latter is the case, you are of no use to us, so please disconnect!


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Bjorn,

Anyway, as I said, I feel sorry for you. Either you are a wonderful
person, that can contribute a lot to the FidoNet community, or you are
just a sad human being, brainwashed by the sordid old Soviet style propaganda.

I think you and I share the same warped ideas about freedom of speech.

Here's the 17th entry in the "10 laws of Dossche on internet stuff"...

"Lying is an ultimate form of free speech"

And as a bonus #15 ...

"A politician does not need to be honest, but effective"

Both apply to our current times. I think.

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Hello Bj�rn,

Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find in fidonews
area how the events had been developing since 2013. Or the messages
from me where I said what will be if Yanukovich be toppled.

I can only say that I'm sorry for you Alexander. That's actually the name of
my brother's oldest son (Alexander Felten), and the name that my wife and I
had in store for our first son before that. But he, our first son, turned out to be a she, so she is now Zandra Felten. I'm sure that she is the only
person on this planet with that name, so Google may give you interesting reading.

Like Don Quixote, I was up to the challenge! And eureka! I found it!
With a bit of help from Mr Google, and a site in Sweden -

There are 1,176 people who go by Zandra (first name).
There are 27 people who go by Felten (last name).

Put the two together and ...

Source:

https://www.scb.se

Anyway, as I said, I feel sorry for you.

Why? With the info I just gave you, it is possible there are lots
more Zandras and Feltens that are up and about that you might never
have known. Just think about how many undiscovered Alexanders there
are out there waiting to be discovered ...

Either you are a wonderful person, that can contribute a lot to the FidoNet
community,

Alexander has always been known as Alexander the Great. Never as
Alexander the Lesser (until he ran across some gals in Afghanistan).

or you are just a sad human being, brainwashed by the sordid old Soviet style propaganda. If the latter is the case, you are of no use to us, so please disconnect!

The Soviet Union is no more, and the Taliban still rules Afghanistan.

GWB explained it all in a speech yesterday, blaming all the problems
in Ukraine on Iraq.

--Lee

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 19.05.2022 12:18

ak>> Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find
ak>> in fidonews area how the events had been developing since
ak>> 2013. Or the messages from me where I said what will be if
ak>> Yanukovich be toppled.
DP> Do you know why binkd connections to nodes in Ukraine are
DP> failing from Russia?

I know only that if a certain Ghil_Zvidgzul wants to deliver Ukraine
news to su.pol, for instance, he can do it. But I meant that fidonews
was a political area for more than ten years, and it stores the history
of the Ukrainian conflict. That's why it is maybe wrong to switch such a discussion into other fidoarea.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Friday May 20 2022 13:26, you wrote to me:

Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find
in fidonews area how the events had been developing since
2013. Or the messages from me where I said what will be if
Yanukovich be toppled.

Do you know why binkd connections to nodes in Ukraine are
failing from Russia?

I know only that if a certain Ghil_Zvidgzul wants to deliver Ukraine
news to su.pol, for instance, he can do it. But I meant that fidonews

How it's related to binkd connections to Ukraine?

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Bj?rn Felten!
I read your message from 19.05.2022 13:19

ak>> Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find
ak>> in fidonews area how the events had been developing since
ak>> 2013. Or the messages from me where I said what will be if
ak>> Yanukovich be toppled.
BF> I can only say that I'm sorry for you Alexander. That's
BF> actually the name of my brother's oldest son (Alexander
BF> Felten), and the name that my wife and I had in store for our
BF> first son before that. But he, our first son, turned out to be
BF> a she, so she is now Zandra Felten. I'm sure that she is the only
BF> person on this planet with that name, so Google may give you
BF> interesting reading. Anyway, as I said, I feel sorry for you.
BF> Either you are a wonderful person, that can contribute a lot to the
BF> FidoNet community, or you are just a sad human being, brainwashed by
BF> the sordid old Soviet style propaganda. If the latter is the case, you
BF> are of no use to us, so please disconnect! ..

The is a more simple solution -- if you don't like me, don't read my
messages. It's easy.

Bye, Bj?rn!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello Alexander,

[..]

But I meant that fidonews was a political area for more than ten years, and
it stores the history of the Ukrainian conflict. That's why it is maybe wrong to switch such a >discussion into other fidoarea.

I am not the moderator of this echo, but it is my understanding
that there is no limit as to what topics can be discussed in this
forum.

That does not mean such discussions have to be exclusively in
the fidonews echo, as there are other echoes which also encourage
general discussion on all topics.

In other words, it is not really an either/or but a matter of
preference. Some folks like their tea hot, others cold. That sort
of thing.

Now cold brew coffee is a different matter entirely ...

--Lee

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 12.05.2022 10:49

ak>> Suppose Zelensky (a clever one, not an idiotic clown) would order
ak>> the Ukrainian troops not to fight with Russia. Russian troops
ak>> freely marched, show themselves whenever they wanted and that's
ak>> all!

AI> Russia set an invasion force into Ukraine. That was after firing
AI> missiles into Ukraine. If Russian people came to Ukraine as
AI> visitors then fine, but that is not what they did. Russia sent a
AI> large military force into Ukraine to replace the government with a
AI> puppet government of their own choosing and occupy the country and
AI> subdue it.
AI> Just so you know, that's not how it works!

The main task of the invasion -- to stop Donbass shelling -- Russian
troops are not able to do even now, for a while. As for a puppet
government -- I can easily say that the present Ukrainian government is
a puppet government of the EU, for instance, or the US. How do we define
which government is a puppet one? If a country wants to keep strong
relations with another strong country it becomes a puppet?

AI> This was not a Zelensky thing. The people of Ukraine are not and do
AI> not want to be subject to Russia or the madman who is in charge of
AI> it.

Russians in Ukraine will say themselves who are they want to be free of.
When they will be free of nationalists threats. But I am afraid Kiev
will be dissatisfied and have a pity for itself that it didn't follow
Minsk agreements.

ak>> The crippling sanctions would do the same as it now, but tens of
ak>> thousands of Ukrainians were still alive.

AI> All of the looting, raping, killing and destruction done in Ukraine
AI> was done by the Russian military at the order of Putin. Russia and
AI> Putin are at fault, not Ukraine or Ukrainians.

You look into a distorting mirror of news. For instance, when there is
Russia takes thousands of prisoners in Ukraine you believe the Kiev
news that they are evacuated into Russia. ;=)

ak>> You should understand a simple thing if Russia would not lose a
ak>> lot of people in this war it would be much easier for it to leave.
ak>> Freely get, freely give away, as somebody said. But after such a
ak>> heavy price Russia has already paid there is no such a scenario
ak>> any more.

AI> You dare complain about the price Russia has paid? Get the hell out
AI> of Ukraine! It's that simple. You have no business there. There is
AI> nothing for Russia in Ukraine.

I said to you that such an invasion cannot be without a very serious
reason. You prefer don't see it, and it your mistake.

AI>>> Do you think the Jews before and during WWII willingly
AI>>> surrendered to Hitler knowing it meant their own deaths and those
AI>>> of their
AI> It does not mean your own deaths. Call your soldiers home.

ak>> You are crazy if you compare Hitler and Putin intentions towards
ak>> Ukrainians. ;)

AI> It is genocide when civilians are killed en masse as they have been
AI> in Ukraine.

After American carnages around the world, where it killed millions of
people, Russia in Ukraine is just an innocent girl. ;-) Look in the
right mirror in short.

AI>>> When a killer pulls a gun on you and threatens to pull the
AI>>> trigger, your only option is to kill or be killed.

ak>> Nobody would be killed if Zelensky chose a diplomatic way of
ak>> solving the crisis. But he imagined that Ukraine have a lot of
ak>> weapon and he can defeat Russia, to be Napoleon, and probably he
ak>> had never read about the Pyrrhic victory. An idiot in short.

AI> I agree. This action by Russia is idiocy, by an idiot.

I assure you that many idiots are guilty in the current situation, and
one one them a fucking actor-clown who cannot tell a movie from reality.

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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The main task of the invasion -- to stop Donbass shelling -- Russian

I will reply in the DEBATE area shortly.

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The main task of the invasion -- to stop Donbass shelling -- Russian
troops are not able to do even now, for a while.

Listen, the Russian army has always been believed to be a mighty fighting force.

It has now been kept in check by Ukrainian forces ... planes have been shot down, helicopters have been shot down, hundreds of tanks have been destroyed, thousands and thousands of Russian soldiers annihilated, the cruiser Moskva to the bottom of the Black sea ... and you seriously believe a handful of rag-tag pro-Russian rebels in the Donbas have the fighting power to stop that Ukrainian fighting machine and fight a trench war for 8 years?

I say that if Ukraine wanted to recapture Donbas, which is part of Ukraine as it is, it should have been 'piece of cake'. The only reason why it didn't happen was not to hurt the civilian population ... a tad different than what Russian forces have committed inside Ukraine.

But if the Donbas rebels really have that fighting power, how unlikely as it is, then it was already the Russian army there ... for 8 years ... and the fighting didn't erupt large scale simply to NOT start a war with Russia.

Now that Russia started it itself the Genie is out of the bottle...

I said to you that such an invasion cannot be without a very serious reason. You prefer don't see it, and it your mistake.

This is not an invasion "to set things right" as it is claimed, the people are not saved, the invaders were not welcomed as liberatorsm the infrastructure was not saved, mass famine in Africa is created... it's genocide, every aspect of it.

After American ....

Please stop referencing America as a justification for Ukraine. We have commented aloud in those days. The difference being is that the USA still elects its leaders, even if they are morons, and if they don't like them they'll elect someone else. You can speak your mind in the USA without being imprisoned, newspapers with free reporting can be published ... you will not be arrested and sentenced to 15 years merely for saying there's a war in Ukraine or even hold a banner with simply "No War" on it.

I assure you that many idiots are guilty in the current situation, and
one one them a fucking actor-clown who cannot tell a movie from reality.

Seems like he's doing a pretty good job ...

Several Ukrainian nodes sending interesting messages and photos from local situation ... no news agencies ... our own people ...

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Hello, alexander!

Monday May 23 2022 09:17, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

I agree. This action by Russia is idiocy, by an idiot.

I assure you that many idiots are guilty in the current situation, and
one one them a fucking actor-clown who cannot tell a movie from
reality.

I think he is smart and strong man. Not an old stupid Putin, who is idiot enough to live in 21 centery wthout using a computer :)

In modern Russia you can't go to city center with slogan "Stop fascism" because you'll be detained by police. This is our reality.

Best regards,
dp.

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Dmitry,

In modern Russia you can't go to city center with slogan "Stop fascism" because you'll be detained by police. This is our reality.

What about a sign with "Stop Farting" ?

There was this girl arrested for holding up an empty sign ....

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Hello, Ward!

Monday May 23 2022 10:13, you wrote to me:

In modern Russia you can't go to city center with slogan "Stop
fascism" because you'll be detained by police. This is our
reality.

What about a sign with "Stop Farting" ?

There was this girl arrested for holding up an empty sign ....

They even arrested man with slogan "Jesus for peace".
Empty sign was a crime even before the war - who knows what you were really trying to say? May be something terrible against our Great Leader!

Best regards,
dp.

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Dmitry,

They even arrested man with slogan "Jesus for peace".
Empty sign was a crime even before the war - who knows what you were
really trying to say? May be something terrible against our Great Leader!

A store here now started selling Ukrainian beer ... let's support the Ukraine economy, I'm all for it ... <hips>

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 23.05.2022 10:40

AI>>> I agree. This action by Russia is idiocy, by an idiot.
ak>> I assure you that many idiots are guilty in the current
ak>> situation, and one one them a fucking actor-clown who
ak>> cannot tell a movie from reality.
DP> I think he is smart and strong man. Not an old stupid Putin,
DP> who is idiot enough to live in 21 centery wthout using a
DP> computer :) In modern Russia you can't go to city center with
DP> slogan "Stop fascism" because you'll be detained by police. This
is our
DP> reality.

Well, try to show a slogan "Stop Nazi!" in Kiev. ;=) I have already told
you that the two snakes devouring each other have many similar traits.

PS: But I repeat, a shorter one will ended quicker. And Zelensky-idiot
also hasn't learnt from history how it is dangerous to fight with Russia.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hello, alexander!

Monday May 23 2022 15:57, you wrote to me:

Well, try to show a slogan "Stop Nazi!" in Kiev. ;=) I have already

It's not a problem to show such slogan in Kyiv. You don't know that?!

PS: But I repeat, a shorter one will ended quicker. And Zelensky-idiot
also hasn't learnt from history how it is dangerous to fight with
Russia.

He is not an idiot. He is a smart guy, brave man.
The idiot is Putin who decided to bring war to Ukraine and decided to start a war with 40+ countries which now sending aid to Ukraine.

Ukaine was part of Soviet Union, and the whole narrative for soviet soldier was to "fight till death". And Ukranians are fighting.
They already shown to the world that Russian army could be defeated, that it's weak and has terrible morale.



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Alexander,

PS: But I repeat, a shorter one will ended quicker. And Zelensky-idiot
also hasn't learnt from history how it is dangerous to fight with Russia.

Do you need a list of famous Russian defeats? Or can you make it yourself?

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 23.05.2022 10:28

ak>> The main task of the invasion -- to stop Donbass shelling --
ak>> Russian troops are not able to do even now, for a while.

WD> Listen, the Russian army has always been believed to be a mighty
WD> fighting force.

WD> It has now been kept in check by Ukrainian forces... planes have
WD> been shot down, helicopters have been shot down, hundreds of tanks
WD> have been destroyed, thousands and thousands of Russian soldiers
WD> annihilated, the cruiser Moskva to the bottom of the Black sea...
WD> and you seriously believe a handful of rag-tag pro-Russian rebels
WD> in the Donbas have the fighting power to stop that Ukrainian
WD> fighting machine and fight a trench war for 8 years?

The war in Donbass can be divided it two parts. First part was when a
poor and unprepared Ukrainian military tried to capture Donbass in
2014/2015. They had been encircled in Debaltcevo pocket, and Kiev had to
agree to sit for negotiations in Minsk(I/II), as a weak side. The
conflict had been frozen, heavy guns removed for the front line. The
things have changed when Ukraine completed a great renovation of its
military. They produced and bought such a lot of weapon that they
started to think that with such weapon it is ridiculous to follow Minsk agreements, and they have enough strength to cut the rebels throats.
Last year they started to built up a mighty group in Donbass to solve
the conflict by a military way. Exactly since this time shelling of
Donbass has begun a routine business. Ukrainians are hypocrites when
they blame Russia for the current escalation.

WD> I say that if Ukraine wanted to recapture Donbas, which is part of
WD> Ukraine as it is, it should have been 'piece of cake'. The only
WD> reason why it didn't happen was not to hurt the civilian
WD> population... a tad different than what Russian forces have
WD> committed inside Ukraine.

Yes, it is true -- nowadays it was practically impossible to capture
towns without destroying them. The same problem is when Putin tries "to liberate" Russians from their Ukrainian defenders. ;-)

According to official Ukraine sources there are about 50000 Donbass
fighters -- quite enough to maintain resistance. https://rian.com.ua/politics/20171128/1029852333/Avakov-nazval-chislennost-voysk-DNR-LNR-Donbass.html

So it is a mistake of yours that Donbass has been defended for 8 years
by the regular Russian troops.

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ak>> I said to you that such an invasion cannot be without a very
ak>> serious reason. You prefer don't see it, and it your mistake.

WD> This is not an invasion "to set things right" as it is claimed, the
WD> people are not saved, the invaders were not welcomed as liberatorsm
WD> the infrastructure was not saved, mass famine in Africa is
WD> created... it's genocide, every aspect of it.

Don't don't take in faith the words from the censored Ukrainian media
(as well as the Russian one). Let's wait what the citizens of
eastern/southern Ukraine will say by themselves. It will be the moment
of the truth for all.

ak>> After American....

WD> Please stop referencing America as a justification for Ukraine. We
WD> have commented aloud in those days. The difference being is that
WD> the USA still elects its leaders, even if they are morons, and if
WD> they don't like them they'll elect someone else. You can speak your
WD> mind in the USA without being imprisoned, newspapers with free
WD> reporting can be published... you will not be arrested and
WD> sentenced to 15 years merely for saying there's a war in Ukraine or
WD> even hold a banner with simply "No War" on it.

Julian Assange will appreciate your words. ;-) And I know many people
who lost their job trying to explain Russia stance in the Ukraine
conflict. It is a so called fucking freedom of speech.

ak>> I assure you that many idiots are guilty in the current situation,
ak>> and one one them a fucking actor-clown who cannot tell a movie
ak>> from reality.

WD> Seems like he's doing a pretty good job...

The first thing he must do is to read some history books and learn what
would become to those to wanted defeat Russia. It is a poor idea for any country and it is not a movie.

Bye, Ward!
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 23.05.2022 16:12

ak>> Well, try to show a slogan "Stop Nazi!" in Kiev. ;=) I have
ak>> already

DP> It's not a problem to show such slogan in Kyiv. You don't know
DP> that?!

I don't believe that you put a Bandera's photo on your slogan. ;-) You
will be take away quicker that from the Red Square. ;-) But well, I see
you don't treat a Nazi collaborator Bandera, the hero of the modern
Ukraine, as a Nazi. But anyway, don't put this photo on your slogan, be careful.

ak>> PS: But I repeat, a shorter one will ended quicker. And Zelensky-
ak>> idiot also hasn't learnt from history how it is dangerous to fight
ak>> with Russia.

DP> He is not an idiot. He is a smart guy, brave man. The idiot is
DP> Putin who decided to bring war to Ukraine and decided to start a
DP> war with 40+ countries which now sending aid to Ukraine.

The matter here is not in weapon, but in people and their motivation to
risk their lives.

DP> Ukaine was part of Soviet Union, and the whole narrative for soviet
DP> soldier was to "fight till death". And Ukranians are fighting. They
DP> already shown to the world that Russian army could be defeated,
DP> that it's weak and has terrible morale.

They show nothing. I said many times why Russian army cannot sweep
across Ukraine as a steamroller flattening everyone who fight against it.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 23.05.2022 21:28

ak>> PS: But I repeat, a shorter one will ended quicker. And
ak>> Zelensky-idiot also hasn't learnt from history how it is
ak>> dangerous to fight with Russia.
WD> Do you need a list of famous Russian defeats? Or can you make
WD> it yourself?

Russian defeats always ended up with returning back all it lost and
always some more. ;=)

Bye, Ward!
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday May 24 2022 08:48, you wrote to me:

Well, try to show a slogan "Stop Nazi!" in Kiev. ;=) I have
already

It's not a problem to show such slogan in Kyiv. You don't know
that?!

I don't believe that you put a Bandera's photo on your slogan. ;-) You

Why not?! There were protests in Kyiv with anti-Bandera slogans.

will be take away quicker that from the Red Square. ;-) But well, I

You'll taken to jail in Russian with any slogan which is not "I love our Great Leader Putin" ;)

see you don't treat a Nazi collaborator Bandera, the hero of the
modern Ukraine, as a Nazi. But anyway, don't put this photo on your slogan, be careful.

Stalin was also Nazi collaborator (together with Hitler invaded Poland), he killed more Russians than Bandera, btw.
But who cares about Russian's lives? Nobody.
Do you care about more than million Russians who died last year? :)

He is not an idiot. He is a smart guy, brave man. The idiot is
Putin who decided to bring war to Ukraine and decided to start a
war with 40+ countries which now sending aid to Ukraine.

The matter here is not in weapon, but in people and their motivation
to risk their lives.

And Ukranians are ready to fight. They already pushed Russian forces from Kyiev and Kharkov.

Ukaine was part of Soviet Union, and the whole narrative for
soviet soldier was to "fight till death". And Ukranians are
fighting. They already shown to the world that Russian army
could be defeated, that it's weak and has terrible morale.

They show nothing. I said many times why Russian army cannot sweep
across Ukraine as a steamroller flattening everyone who fight against
it.

Russian army is doing exactly this. Russian army is bunch of poor guys who were beating shit out of each other during peacefull time, and now marauding in Ukraine and killing ordinary Ukranians because they have only shit inside their heads, otherwise they won't be in army on such low-level positions.


Best regards,
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday May 24 2022 08:50, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

Russian defeats always ended up with returning back all it lost and
always some more. ;=)

Like it lost Port Arthur, for example, to Japan? :)
You even don't know (like 99% of Russians) how it's called today!

Best regards,
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday May 24 2022 08:42, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

The war in Donbass can be divided it two parts. First part was when a
poor and unprepared Ukrainian military tried to capture Donbass in

First part is when Russia sent fighter to Donbass after it took Crimea from Ukraine.
You miss that part, why?

Minsk agreements, and they have enough strength to cut the rebels
throats. Last year they started to built up a mighty group in Donbass
to solve the conflict by a military way. Exactly since this time
shelling of Donbass has begun a routine business. Ukrainians are hypocrites when they blame Russia for the current escalation.

Last year was the most quiet year, with minimum number of killed people since 2014.
Numbers are public.

So Putin saw that this conflict is going to stop soon completely and decided to launch full scale war.

Julian Assange will appreciate your words. ;-) And I know many people
who lost their job trying to explain Russia stance in the Ukraine conflict. It is a so called fucking freedom of speech.

Lost their job?! Come on! There were some rallies in EU with pro-Russian slogans. Those people are still ok.
There is no freedom of speach in Russia at all.

In Russia torture in police/jails is something normal, courts are just a joke and anyone could be jailed because State decided to do this.

Seems like he's doing a pretty good job...

The first thing he must do is to read some history books and learn
what would become to those to wanted defeat Russia. It is a poor idea
for any country and it is not a movie.

What happened to USA or UK? :)

Best regards,
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The things have changed when Ukraine completed a great renovation of its military. They produced and bought such a lot of weapon ...

Hmmmm ... Russian weapons I think, which is why the Russian 153mm shells cannot be fired by western 155mm guns. Interesting, I used to be an artillery officer many many pounds ago.

Anyway, Ukraine is going to be a wealthy country in terms of scrap metal scattered around the country ...

According to official Ukraine sources there are about 50000 Donbass fighters -- quite enough to maintain resistance.

Even that I take to be propaganda of some sorts. 50000 fighters means people who are economically unavailable to the Donbas-region. Its economy, in my view, cannot lose 50000 people without suffering ... for 8 years.

So it is a mistake of yours that Donbass has been defended for 8 years
by the regular Russian troops.

Uncompromised satellite photos often tell different stories.

Don't don't take in faith the words from the censored Ukrainian media

We have our own media there, Alexander. We do not need the Ukrainians. Plus there have been enough R46-sysops witnessing already.

Julian Assange will appreciate your words. ;-) And I know many people
who lost their job trying to explain Russia stance in the Ukraine
conflict. It is a so called fucking freedom of speech.

1) Julian Assange is a victim of warped nationalistic politics of the same
level as what Erdogan is doing now ...

2) Freedom of speech knows no limitations, either it is or it isn't ... (Oops
just invented a new "Law of Dossche"). Several people also have a warped
interpretation of that...

The first thing he must do is to read some history books and learn what would become to those to wanted defeat Russia. It is a poor idea for any country and it is not a movie.

First, there are some countries that conventionally never can be defeated.

Second, after the successful Russian campaign when the Battle for Stalingrad had concluded, the Russian military was only good for humiliation and defeat ... the uprisings in Berlin, Budapest, Chzecho-Slovakia, Poland ... it was always the same ... "military exercices only" followed by invasion (well, not Poland) and then Russian soldiers not welcomed as liberators and confused as they had no cue why they were there ... same now in Ukraine. Add to that the defeat in Afghanistan. The Russian navy is only famous for its sinkings (good thing there's this movie 'The Hunt For Red October') and its Air Force for shooting down civilian airliners ...

But ... freedom of speech ... maybe one day we'll meet and have a beer which you will need to pay for after my willingness to listen to so much drivel.

Take care,

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Hello, Ward!

Monday May 23 2022 10:40, you wrote to me:

They even arrested man with slogan "Jesus for peace".
Empty sign was a crime even before the war - who knows what you
were really trying to say? May be something terrible against our
Great Leader!

A store here now started selling Ukrainian beer ... let's support the Ukraine economy, I'm all for it ... <hips>

I'll support belgian economy buying belgian beer and then you'll spend this support for Ukraine :)


Best regards,
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Hello War,

[..]

thing there's this movie 'The Hunt For Red October')

Sean Connery, the only Russian admiral from Scotland.

... and its Air Force for shooting down civilian airliners ...

The USSR bagged a Korean airliner, the US bagged an Iranian airliner.
Belgium is not competent enough to shoot down any civilian airliners.

But ... freedom of speech ... maybe one day we'll meet and have a beer which
you will need to pay for after my willingness to listen to so much drivel.

My true stories? Only in Cajun French ...

--Lee

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... and its Air Force for shooting down civilian airliners ...

The USSR bagged a Korean airliner, ...

The Russian Air Force bagged 2 (two) South Korean airliners ... pls get your facts straight ...

...the US bagged an Iranian airliner.

That was the US Navy.

Belgium is not competent enough to shoot down any civilian airliners.

Who do you think shot down Dag Hammarskjold's DC6 in 1961 you think?

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Who do you think shot down Dag Hammarskjold's DC6 in 1961 you think?

Union Mini�re du Haut-Katanga?



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Who do you think shot down Dag Hammarskjold's DC6 in 1961 you think?

Union Minire du Haut-Katanga?

Belgian pilot ... special modified Fuga-Magister to handle the range ... lived in my home town of Mortsel, died in 2007.

I was 10 years old and Dag Hammarskjold was respected by all ... I truly believe world history, certainly African, got a twist that day.

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Re: ?
By: Lee Lofaso to Ward Dossche on Tue May 24 2022 11:48 pm

thing there's this movie 'The Hunt For Red October')

Sean Connery, the only Russian admiral from Scotland.

And the only Scottish Spaniard, in Highlander. Hearing him pronouce his character's name is especially hilarious - Juan Sanchez-Villalobos Ramirez.

I bet you're hearing him say that as you read it.
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Hello Kurt,

thing there's this movie 'The Hunt For Red October')

Sean Connery, the only Russian admiral from Scotland.

And the only Scottish Spaniard, in Highlander. Hearing him pronouce his character's name is especially hilarious - Juan Sanchez-Villalobos Ramirez.

Yeah. He really lost his head in that one.

I bet you're hearing him say that as you read it.

Who could ever forget?

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

... and its Air Force for shooting down civilian airliners ...

The USSR bagged a Korean airliner, ...

The Russian Air Force bagged 2 (two) South Korean airliners ... pls get your
facts straight ...

Two cases of mistaken identity rather than just one. Still not bad.

...the US bagged an Iranian airliner.

That was the US Navy.

No wonder it happened over water.

Belgium is not competent enough to shoot down any civilian airliners.

Who do you think shot down Dag Hammarskjold's DC6 in 1961 you think?

It wasn't as if they did it on purpose ...

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 24.05.2022 12:10

ak>>>> Well, try to show a slogan "Stop Nazi!" in Kiev. ;=) I have
ak>>>> already
DP>>> It's not a problem to show such slogan in Kyiv. You don't know
DP>>> that?!
ak>> I don't believe that you put a Bandera's photo on your slogan. ;-)

DP> Why not?! There were protests in Kyiv with anti-Bandera slogans.

There were. Until 2014. ;)

ak>> You will be taken away quicker than from the Red Square. ;-) But
well,
DP> You'll taken to jail in Russian with any slogan which is not "I
DP> love our Great Leader Putin" ;)

Yeah, a poor choice for Russians in Ukraine, I've said it already. ;-)

ak>> I see you don't treat a Nazi collaborator Bandera, the hero of the
ak>> modern Ukraine, as a Nazi. But anyway, don't put this photo on
ak>> your slogan, be careful.

DP> Stalin was also Nazi collaborator (together with Hitler invaded
DP> Poland), he killed more Russians than Bandera, btw. But who cares
DP> about Russian's lives? Nobody. Do you care about more than million
DP> Russians who died last year? :)

Stalin just returned the land that Poland had captured shamelessly
during the havoc of the Russian revolution in 1917. It was only fair.

DP>>> He is not an idiot. He is a smart guy, brave man. The idiot is
DP>>> Putin who decided to bring war to Ukraine and decided to start a
DP>>> war with 40+ countries which now sending aid to Ukraine.

It is not the war with 40+ countries. It it were, it would be WW3 and a
nuke winter.

ak>> The matter here is not in weapon, but in people and their
ak>> motivation to risk their lives.

DP> And Ukranians are ready to fight. They already pushed Russian
DP> forces from Kyiev and Kharkov.

I would not bite on the Ukraine propaganda so easily. IMHO, Russian
troops just began acting less insane and more methodically. Only God
knows how did they act at the beginning. ;=)

DP>>> fighting. They already shown to the world that Russian army could
DP>>> be defeated, that it's weak and has terrible morale.
ak>> They show nothing. I said many times why Russian army cannot sweep
ak>> across Ukraine as a steamroller flattening everyone who fight
ak>> against it.

DP> Russian army is doing exactly this. Russian army is bunch of poor
DP> guys who were beating shit out of each other during peacefull time,
DP> and now marauding in Ukraine and killing ordinary Ukranians because
DP> they have only shit inside their heads, otherwise they won't be in
DP> army on such low-level positions.

It is not true, because if it were the truth the Putin's operation would
have no sense. You say, "Russian troops go to Ukraine to loot, kill and
rape poor ordinary Ukrainians" -- it is so awkward a lie that only
naive, weak-headed can believe your words.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 24.05.2022 12:41

ak>> Russian defeats always ended up with returning back all it
ak>> lost and always some more. ;=)
DP> Like it lost Port Arthur, for example, to Japan? :)
DP> You even don't know (like 99% of Russians) how it's called
DP> today!

The only reason why Russia didn't take the whole Manchuria together with
Port Arthur is that these territory had never belonged to Japan. ;=)
China is another story. Tsarist Russia indeed leased this town from
China as military base, and the USSR and Russia now could still have it,
but another Ukrainian fucking idiot Khrushchev (the USSR leader) had
returned it to China. ;-)

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 24.05.2022 12:43

ak>> The war in Donbass can be divided it two parts. First part was
ak>> when a poor and unprepared Ukrainian military tried to capture
ak>> Donbass in

DP> First part is when Russia sent fighter to Donbass after it took
DP> Crimea from Ukraine. You miss that part, why?

Even western media didn't say that Russian troops invaded into Donbass
in 2014.

ak>> Minsk agreements, and they have enough strength to cut the rebels
ak>> throats. Last year they started to built up a mighty group in
ak>> Donbass to solve the conflict by a military way. Exactly since
ak>> this time shelling of Donbass has begun a routine business.
ak>> Ukrainians are hypocrites when they blame Russia for the current
ak>> escalation.

DP> Last year was the most quiet year, with minimum number of killed
DP> people since 2014. Numbers are public.

Escalation started at the end of 2021.

DP> So Putin saw that this conflict is going to stop soon completely
DP> and decided to launch full scale war.

I said many times that IMHO it is a reckless operation. But the world
knew well about this operation for months and Zelensky if he were not an idiot, could use diplomacy to solve the Donbass problem peacefully.

ak>> Julian Assange will appreciate your words. ;-) And I know many
ak>> people who lost their job trying to explain Russia stance in the
ak>> Ukraine conflict. It is a so called fucking freedom of speech.

DP> Lost their job?! Come on! There were some rallies in EU with pro-
DP> Russian slogans. Those people are still ok. There is no freedom of
DP> speach in Russia at all.

There was not free speech in the West, and everybody knows it. To say something good about Russia as impossible as to say something bad about
gays. ;-) Shut up or you lose your career.

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ak>> The first thing he must do is to read some history books and learn
ak>> what would become to those to wanted defeat Russia. It is a poor
ak>> idea for any country and it is not a movie.

DP> What happened to USA or UK? :)

I told you about Ukraine, not about the hidden warmongers who push it
into a war with Russia until the last soldier.
As for big countries, you should think about the present situation in
the world as about a Wild West saloon. Everybody are polite with each
other while all the fingers are on triggers. The main thing is not
mixing Russia with Iraq or Afghanistan.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 24.05.2022 12:55

ak>> According to official Ukraine sources there are about 50000
ak>> Donbass fighters -- quite enough to maintain resistance.

WD> Even that I take to be propaganda of some sorts. 50000 fighters
WD> means people who are economically unavailable to the Donbas-region.
WD> Its economy, in my view, cannot lose 50000 people without
WD> suffering... for 8 years.

ak>> So it is a mistake of yours that Donbass has been defended for 8
ak>> years by the regular Russian troops.

WD> Uncompromised satellite photos often tell different stories.

Just for interest, tell me the number of Russian troops in Donbass till
2022 according to your sources.

<skipped>
ak>> Julian Assange will appreciate your words. ;-) And I know many
ak>> people who lost their job trying to explain Russia stance in the
ak>> Ukraine conflict. It is a so called fucking freedom of speech.

WD> 1) Julian Assange is a victim of warped nationalistic politics of
WD> the same level as what Erdogan is doing now...

I don't understood how your words comply with the full freedom on speech
in the West.

WD> 2) Freedom of speech knows no limitations, either it is or it
WD> isn't... (Oops just invented a new "Law of Dossche"). Several
WD> people also have a warped interpretation of that...

It is easy now to shut up everybody. You just say that he tells a lie.

ak>> The first thing he must do is to read some history books and learn
ak>> what would become to those to wanted defeat Russia. It is a poor
ak>> idea for any country and it is not a movie.

WD> First, there are some countries that conventionally never can be
WD> defeated.

WD> Second, after the successful Russian campaign when the Battle for
WD> Stalingrad had concluded, the Russian military was only good for
WD> humiliation and defeat... the uprisings in Berlin, Budapest,
WD> Chzecho-Slovakia, Poland... it was always the same... "military

Where have you seen defeats?

WD> exercices only" followed by invasion (well, not Poland) and then
WD> Russian soldiers not welcomed as liberators and confused as they
WD> had no cue why they were there... same now in Ukraine. Add to that
WD> the defeat in Afghanistan. The Russian navy is only famous for its

Tell me -- if you stop trying to eat a cactus -- will it be your defeat
or showing some brains? ;-)

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday May 25 2022 09:19, you wrote to me:

Why not?! There were protests in Kyiv with anti-Bandera slogans.

There were. Until 2014. ;)

When everyone found that Russia is real enemy?

At the same time stading with empty paper in hands in Moscow is a crime :)_ This is 1984, like Orwell predicted.
This is your Russia.

You'll taken to jail in Russian with any slogan which is not "I
love our Great Leader Putin" ;)

Yeah, a poor choice for Russians in Ukraine, I've said it already. ;-)

As I said - even Russian citizens in Ukraine were killed because Russian embassy never bothered to evacuate them before the war.
Becase no one cares about Russians.

Stalin just returned the land that Poland had captured shamelessly
during the havoc of the Russian revolution in 1917. It was only fair.

So it's okay to return the whole Russia to Mongolia? :)
Stalin was a Hitelr's partner in crime, and now it's a crime to Russia to say this.

He is not an idiot. He is a smart guy, brave man. The idiot is
Putin who decided to bring war to Ukraine and decided to start
a war with 40+ countries which now sending aid to Ukraine.

It is not the war with 40+ countries. It it were, it would be WW3 and
a nuke winter.

They are supplying weapons to Ukraine, and Ukraine is brave enough to show that it's ready to fight for it's future.

And Ukranians are ready to fight. They already pushed Russian
forces from Kyiev and Kharkov.

I would not bite on the Ukraine propaganda so easily. IMHO, Russian
troops just began acting less insane and more methodically. Only God
knows how did they act at the beginning. ;=)

Only Putin knows? Because it was his idea.
He is not a military man, never was in army.

Russian army is doing exactly this. Russian army is bunch of
poor guys who were beating shit out of each other during
peacefull time, and now marauding in Ukraine and killing
ordinary Ukranians because they have only shit inside their
heads, otherwise they won't be in army on such low-level
positions.

It is not true, because if it were the truth the Putin's operation
would have no sense. You say, "Russian troops go to Ukraine to loot,
kill and rape poor ordinary Ukrainians" -- it is so awkward a lie that only naive, weak-headed can believe your words.

You can find those facts all over the internet/telegram.

And you were caught lying many times ;)


Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday May 25 2022 09:20, you wrote to me:

Like it lost Port Arthur, for example, to Japan? :)
You even don't know (like 99% of Russians) how it's called
today!

The only reason why Russia didn't take the whole Manchuria together
with Port Arthur is that these territory had never belonged to Japan.

In fact Japan kicked our butt from there.

;=) China is another story. Tsarist Russia indeed leased this town
from China as military base, and the USSR and Russia now could still
have it, but another Ukrainian fucking idiot Khrushchev (the USSR
leader) had returned it to China. ;-)

Khruschev was much less fucking idiot than Stalin because it saw people as more important thing than territory.
As I said before - no one in Russia cares now about Russians, more than million died last year from COVID and no one is unhappy.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday May 25 2022 09:39, you wrote to me:

First part is when Russia sent fighter to Donbass after it took
Crimea from Ukraine. You miss that part, why?

Even western media didn't say that Russian troops invaded into Donbass
in 2014.

Russia troops invaded it and western media are ok with that.

Last year was the most quiet year, with minimum number of killed
people since 2014. Numbers are public.

Escalation started at the end of 2021.

Because Russia started it. We now know that Putin was already gave order to prepare for the war.

So Putin saw that this conflict is going to stop soon completely
and decided to launch full scale war.

I said many times that IMHO it is a reckless operation. But the world
knew well about this operation for months and Zelensky if he were not
an idiot, could use diplomacy to solve the Donbass problem peacefully.

It was not impossible to solve it - Putin said many times that he thinks that Ukraine is an artificial failed state.

Lost their job?! Come on! There were some rallies in EU with
pro- Russian slogans. Those people are still ok. There is no
freedom of speach in Russia at all.

There was not free speech in the West, and everybody knows it. To say

Everyone in Russia Today? :)

something good about Russia as impossible as to say something bad
about gays. ;-) Shut up or you lose your career.

But what about gays? Fidonet founder was a gay. Do you rememember that Soviet Union had strict laws about gays but was not able even to create normal modems? And all Soviet computer networks were just a joke?

What happened to USA or UK? :)

I told you about Ukraine, not about the hidden warmongers who push it
into a war with Russia until the last soldier.

It's Russia which is killing people there, don't forget that.
You it's a shame that you never said that it should stop doing that.

As for big countries, you should think about the present situation in
the world as about a Wild West saloon. Everybody are polite with each other while all the fingers are on triggers. The main thing is not
mixing Russia with Iraq or Afghanistan.

BTW, have you ever talked to anyone from Iraq about war there?

Best regards,
dp.

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Uncompromised satellite photos often tell different stories.

Just for interest, tell me the number of Russian troops in Donbass till 2022 according to your sources.

About every uniformed and armed fighter I would say ... because that's what it takes to call upon the Geneva convention and the 'law of war'.

The non-military fighters are "self-proclaimed volunteers who joined an armed group that fought under its own flag and that had no interest in the law of war". In other words, they are legally, ordinary citizens who were not allowed to use any form of violence.

It is easy now to shut up everybody. You just say that he tells a lie.

Even that requires proof ...

Second, after the successful Russian campaign when the Battle for
Stalingrad had concluded, the Russian military was only good for
humiliation and defeat... the uprisings in Berlin, Budapest,
Chzecho-Slovakia, Poland... it was always the same... "military

Where have you seen defeats?

To me it seems history demonstrated them all to be defeats.

Tell me -- if you stop trying to eat a cactus -- will it be your defeat
or showing some brains? ;-)

I have cactus marmelade ... yummy.

When you eat beef you also eat what's edible, not the horns ...

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Belgium is not competent enough to shoot down any civilian

airliners.

Who do you think shot down Dag Hammarskjold's DC6 in 1961 you think?

It wasn't as if they did it on purpose ...

There was only 1 serviceable Fouga-Magister in the whole area, for that occasion it was especially armed because they're not exactly fighter planes.

After the shootdown, the weapon was removed, the pilot fled and the UN seized the aircraft.

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Hello alexander!

25 May 22 09:57, alexander koryagin wrote to Ward Dossche:

exercices only" followed by invasion (well, not Poland) and then
Russian soldiers not welcomed as liberators and confused as they
had no cue why they were there... same now in Ukraine. Add to that
the defeat in Afghanistan. The Russian navy is only famous for its

Tell me -- if you stop trying to eat a cactus -- will it be your
defeat
or showing some brains? ;-)

Yeah, just re-label it, that's the spirit. Will do for other instances (like the Japanese cactus) as well.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello, Kurt Weiske.
On 5/24/22 4:59 PM you wrote:

Re: ?
By: Lee Lofaso to Ward Dossche on Tue May 24 2022 11:48 pm

thing there's this movie 'The Hunt For Red October')

Sean Connery, the only Russian admiral from Scotland.

And the only Scottish Spaniard, in Highlander. Hearing him
pronouce his character's name is especially hilarious - Juan Sanchez-Villalobos Ramirez. I bet you're hearing him say that as
you read it.

Chief metalurgist to King Charles V of Spain. And I am at your service.


And yeah, he pronounced "Juan" like "WAN"
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 25.05.2022 10:31

DP>>> Like it lost Port Arthur, for example, to Japan? :) You even
DP>>> don't know (like 99% of Russians) how it's called today!

ak>> The only reason why Russia didn't take the whole Manchuria
ak>> together with Port Arthur is that these territory had never
ak>> belonged to Japan.

DP> In fact Japan kicked our butt from there.

The USSR returned there after WW2.

ak>> ;=) China is another story. Tsarist Russia indeed leased this town
ak>> from China as military base, and the USSR and Russia now could
ak>> still have it, but another Ukrainian fucking idiot Khrushchev (the
ak>> USSR leader) had returned it to China. ;-)

DP> Khruschev was much less fucking idiot than Stalin because it saw
DP> people as more important thing than territory. As I said before -

Uhu, Russians in Crimea felt it when they were given away as a cattle to Ukraine without asking them much.

DP> no one in Russia cares now about Russians, more than million died
DP> last year from COVID and no one is unhappy.

Well, a more than millions Americans died also. It's life. The main
problem here is that most people value liberty more that their health.
That's why there were numerous violations of the Covid limitations.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 25.05.2022 13:35

ak>> It is easy now to shut up everybody. You just say that he tells a
ak>> lie.

WD> Even that requires proof...

In Ukraine it is impossible. For instance, Russians civilians in
ill-fated Mariupol, for instance, certainly wanted to leave the town
under siege. But who could be against it? Russian troops or fucking nationalists who used them as a shield? If you say the latter you will
be a liar in Ukraine and you will not able to proof anything. In most
probably case, you will be accused as a Russian spy and put in prison.

Well, I have not said that in Russia is a mush better situation.

WD>>> Second, after the successful Russian campaign when the Battle for
WD>>> Stalingrad had concluded, the Russian military was only good for
WD>>> humiliation and defeat... the uprisings in Berlin, Budapest,
WD>>> Chzecho-Slovakia, Poland... it was always the same... "military

ak>> Where have you seen defeats?
WD> To me it seems history demonstrated them all to be defeats.

Stopping a war is not equal to a defeat. It is clear.

ak>> Tell me -- if you stop trying to eat a cactus -- will it be your
ak>> defeat or showing some brains? ;-)
WD> I have cactus marmelade... yummy.
WD> When you eat beef you also eat what's edible, not the horns...

Did you pretend to be not clever enough? ;)

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday June 01 2022 09:57, you wrote to me:

In fact Japan kicked our butt from there.

The USSR returned there after WW2.

It was China's land already.

Khruschev was much less fucking idiot than Stalin because it saw
people as more important thing than territory. As I said before
-

Uhu, Russians in Crimea felt it when they were given away as a cattle
to Ukraine without asking them much.

This is was how Soviet Union worked. Stalin puted people to work in labour camps like slaves.
Change of internal border was very common for Soviet Union.

People of Soivet Union in fact were cattle (!). They were property of the state.

no one in Russia cares now about Russians, more than million
died last year from COVID and no one is unhappy.

Well, a more than millions Americans died also. It's life. The main

But they still have some events to remember those who died. In Russia COVID is almost forgotten.


Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday June 01 2022 10:12, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

under siege. But who could be against it? Russian troops or fucking nationalists who used them as a shield? If you say the latter you will

Fucking troops started this war and prevented them from leaving the city.
The same story was when Russia took Grozny in 1995. No one cared about Russians on the city.

Even you didn't care about Russians when no one asked them to leave Ukraine before the war.
Well, in fact, do you care about Russians at all?

Best regards,
dp.

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Well, in fact, do you care about Russians at all?

I'm going to have anotherone of those Ukrainian beers ... good stuff ...

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Hello, Ward!

Wednesday June 01 2022 22:49, you wrote to me:

Well, in fact, do you care about Russians at all?

I'm going to have anotherone of those Ukrainian beers ... good stuff
...

Skal!

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 01.06.2022 23:02

ak>> under siege. But who could be against it? Russian troops or
ak>> fucking nationalists who used them as a shield? If you say
ak>> the latter you will
DP> Fucking troops started this war and prevented them from leaving
DP> the city. The same story was when Russia took Grozny in 1995.
DP> No one cared about Russians on the city. Even you didn't care
DP> about Russians when no one asked them to leave Ukraine before
DP> the war. Well, in fact, do you care about Russians at all?

In other words you cannot object the fact that Ukrainian nationalists
didn't allow Russian civilians from Mariupol leave the city under siege.
It doesn't matter who started the war -- it does matter who are bustards.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Thursday June 02 2022 15:03, you wrote to me:

In other words you cannot object the fact that Ukrainian nationalists didn't allow Russian civilians from Mariupol leave the city under
siege. It doesn't matter who started the war -- it does matter who are bustards.

It wasn't possible to leave the city because Russian forces were shelling Mariupol and all roads nearby.
It's very important who started the war and it's very important who is killing civilians.

Let me remember you that Russian embassy never ever tried to evacuate Russian citizens before the war, they were telling them that there's gonna be no war at all.
And then started shellings. So if Russia is not caring even about Russian citizens, why it should care about Ukranians? It cares only about Putin's ass :)

Best regards,
dp.

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So quiet ... did Zelensky get you too ... :-)

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Hello, Ward!

Wednesday June 22 2022 11:59, from Ward Dossche -> Alexander Koryagin:

So quiet ...

No news is good news.

Best Regards, Nil
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 22.06.2022 12:59

WD> So quiet ... did Zelensky get you too ... :-)

I've got an order to make some program. I like the subject, and the
orderer pleasantly whined that this program is needed very much and
urgently. ;-)

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Alexander,

So quiet ... did Zelensky get you too ... :-)

I've got an order to make some program. I like the subject, and the
orderer pleasantly whined that this program is needed very much and urgently. ;-)

I just miss your rantings ... 8-)

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 24.06.2022 17:36

ak>>WD> So quiet ... did Zelensky get you too ... :-)
ak>> I've got an order to make some program. I like the subject,
ak>> and the orderer pleasantly whined that this program is
ak>> needed very much and urgently. ;-)
WD> I just miss your rantings ... 8-)

Visiting to a coffeeshop may help? :-)

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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I just miss your rantings ... 8-)

Visiting to a coffeeshop may help? :-)

Netherlands or Belgium?

There "is" a difference.

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On 06-27-22 13:06, Ward Dossche <=-
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I just miss your rantings ... 8-)

I suspect that he has somehow learned the truth about what Russia is
doing and can no longer keep using the Putin propaganda lines.

Dale Shipp
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Hi, Dale Shipp!
I read your message from 28.06.2022 02:10

WD>> I just miss your rantings ... 8-)
DS> I suspect that he has somehow learned the truth about what
DS> Russia is doing and can no longer keep using the Putin
DS> propaganda lines.

Whatever I have learned recently, however I treat Putin -- it cannot
change my great contempt for the Ukrainians who started a great fire of
hatred in Ukraine in 2014. These ultra-nationalist bustards decided to
make Ukrainians from Russians, and they ignited these hellish havoc and
now they harvest what they sowed. The only way out from this war in
Ukraine is a separation Ukrainians and Russians living there. Long life
to divorce -- it saves so many throats from cutting! ;-) Damn be the
fools in the West who persuade Ukrainians to fight till the last
soldier. Ukraine has been a country of two nations. Now it is going to
be two states on its place.

Those who kept mum while Ukrainians have killed Russians in Donbass for
8 years and now tear crocodile tears are cynics or brainwashed people.
You are unable to understand why so many Russians support this war and
feel themselves on the side of light. You just don't like Russia for
different reasons, mostly it looks like how small dogs bark hysterically
at a huge animal.

...From Russia with rant... ;)

Bye, Dale!
Alexander Koryagin
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