Hello Alexander,

Crimea is a part of Ukraine. Occupied by Russia at the moment.
Its people held against their will. Others being stateless. Or
being held in Russian gulags.

Nevertheless I would not recommended anybody to make such statements not hearing the real people from Crimea. You can look funny.

Empty promises. That was what the people in Crimea were sold on when it
came to joining Russia. Not that they actually had a real choice in the
matter, having a gun to their head at the time. Which might explain why Crimea's annexation skyrocketed Putin's popularity rating to 88% among Crimeans. Too bad Ukraine and the rest of the world did not recognize
Russia's new province as part of Russia. Right makes right in the mind
of Vladimir Putin. And no madman will ever admit to being wrong.

Crimea has a population of 2.5 million people. After seven years of
Russian misrule, what could they possibly be upset about? Poor social
services, dirty water, and high prices for just about everything. To
name just a few things. But none of that matters when freedom to say
or criticize the hand that feeds you could mean jail or even death
for you or members of your own family.

But hey. Don't take my word for it. I'm just a funny man who is totally
out of his mind. Better to pay attention to journalists from around the
world who tell it like it is -

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/21/the-devastating-human-economic -costs-of-crimeas-annexation


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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 28.03.2022 19:36

LL> Crimea has a population of 2.5 million people. After seven
LL> years of Russian misrule, what could they possibly be upset
LL> about? Poor social services, dirty water, and high prices for
LL> just about everything. To name just a few things. But none of
LL> that matters when freedom to say or criticize the hand that
LL> feeds you could mean jail or even death for you or members of
LL> your own family. But hey. Don't take my word for it. I'm just a
LL> funny man who is totally out of his mind. Better to pay
LL> attention to journalists from around the world who tell it like
LL> it is -
LL> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/21/the-devastating-human-e
LL> conomic -costs-of-crimeas-annexation

Yes it is true, Russia has spent billions of dollars to rise the Crimea economy and infrastructure. Ukraine spent nothing for Crimea after
getting independence. Ukraine indeed has cut off fresh water and
electricity to its "temporarily occupied citizens" - this only fact
tells us how Ukraine authority in Kiev is "care" about its citizens. No
wonder that they don't like this authority. So I ask you listen not to Aljazeera opinion, but, to the people of Crimea themselves. But do
western reporters have been in Crimea for these 8 years?

Bye, Lee!
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Yes it is true, Russia has spent billions of dollars to rise the Crimea economy and infrastructure.

Russia has spent billions bombing Ukraine. I don't think Russia did much of anything for Crimea. I have been reading the view of Crimean's (before the war) and they say that nothing has changed in their lives. I'm not sure what Crimeans think now.

Ukraine spent nothing for Crimea after getting independence.

Crimea never got independence, Crimea was annexed by Russia. Two very different things.

Ukraine indeed has cut off fresh water and electricity to its "temporarily occupied citizens" - this only fact tells us how Ukraine authority in Kiev
is "care" about its citizens. No wonder that they don't like this authority.

How did Ukraine cut off fresh water from Crimea?

So I ask you listen not to Aljazeera opinion, but, to the people of Crimea themselves. But do western reporters have been in Crimea for these 8 years?

If Crimea needs assitance they can ask for it from those willing to help. Reporters can only report, they can't make changes.

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Hello Alexander,

Crimea has a population of 2.5 million people. After seven
years of Russian misrule, what could they possibly be upset
about? Poor social services, dirty water, and high prices for
just about everything. To name just a few things. But none of
that matters when freedom to say or criticize the hand that
feeds you could mean jail or even death for you or members of
your own family. But hey. Don't take my word for it. I'm just a
funny man who is totally out of his mind. Better to pay
attention to journalists from around the world who tell it like
it is -
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/21/the-devastating-human-e
conomic -costs-of-crimeas-annexation

Yes it is true, Russia has spent billions of dollars to rise the Crimea economy and infrastructure.

Yes, it has. As noted in the article cited above.

Ukraine spent nothing for Crimea after getting independence.

The Ukrainian peninsula known as Crimea is under occupation by
a foreign power, and has been for some time.

Ukraine indeed has cut off fresh water and electricity to its "temporarily occupied citizens" - this only fact tells us how Ukraine authority in Kiev is "care" about its citizens.

Yes, Crimea is a part of Ukraine. And Ukraine does care very much
for its own citizens. Nothing new about that.

No wonder that they don't like this authority.

Nobody likes the foreign power that occupies their land.

So I ask you listen not to Aljazeera opinion, but, to the people of Crimea themselves.

A reporter's job is to relay the story to the public. Reports are
often detailed, and always based on factual information.

But do western reporters have been in Crimea for these 8 years?

Reporters can only go where they are able to do so. As noted in
the article cited, on location.

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 29.03.2022 10:32

ak>> Yes it is true, Russia has spent billions of dollars to rise the
ak>> Crimea economy and infrastructure.

AI> Russia has spent billions bombing Ukraine. I don't think Russia did
AI> much of anything for Crimea. I have been reading the view of
AI> Crimean's (before the war) and they say that nothing has changed in
AI> their lives. I'm not sure what Crimeans think now.

You should learn facts but not to think them out.

ak>> Ukraine spent nothing for Crimea after getting independence.

AI> Crimea never got independence, Crimea was annexed by Russia. Two
AI> very different things.

I wrote about the Ukraine independence in 1991 -- wasn't it clear?

ak>> Ukraine indeed has cut off fresh water and electricity to
ak>> its "temporarily occupied citizens" - this only fact tells us how
ak>> Ukraine authority in Kiev is "care" about its citizens. No wonder
ak>> that they don't like this authority.

AI> How did Ukraine cut off fresh water from Crimea?

You know little about this conflict. In the time of the USSR a special
water channel to supply fresh water was dug from Dnepr river in Ukraine
to the Crimea (via the neck which connects Crimea with Ukraine).
Electricity until 2014 also was from Ukraine. Note, that after 2014
Russia has never cut off Ukraine from supplying it with Russian gas, oil
and electricity.

Bye, Alan!
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How did Ukraine cut off fresh water from Crimea?

You know little about this conflict. In the time of the USSR a special water channel to supply fresh water was dug from Dnepr river in Ukraine
to the Crimea (via the neck which connects Crimea with Ukraine). Electricity until 2014 also was from Ukraine. Note, that after 2014
Russia has never cut off Ukraine from supplying it with Russian gas, oil and electricity.

Of course Russia kept up the supply of gas and electricity, it was a contract which made them money ...

Getting water to the Crimea seems a challenge ... it's now a Russian problem. They should negotiate a contract/agreement with Ukraine as well. Has Russia done that? No ??

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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 30.03.2022 11:21

ak>> Ukraine indeed has cut off fresh water and electricity to
ak>> its "temporarily occupied citizens" - this only fact tells
ak>> us how Ukraine authority in Kiev is "care" about its
ak>> citizens.
LL> Yes, Crimea is a part of Ukraine. And Ukraine does care very
LL> much for its own citizens. Nothing new about that.

I put "care" in quotation marks, which means it is a false statement, on
the verge of the opposite meaning.

Bye, Lee!
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alexander koryagin wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

AI> Russia has spent billions bombing Ukraine. I don't think Russia did
AI> much of anything for Crimea. I have been reading the view of
AI> Crimean's (before the war) and they say that nothing has changed in
AI> their lives. I'm not sure what Crimeans think now.

You should learn facts but not to think them out.

The fact is that Russia has invaded a peaceful sovereign nation.

AI> Crimea never got independence, Crimea was annexed by Russia. Two
AI> very different things.

I wrote about the Ukraine independence in 1991 -- wasn't it clear?

No, it wasn't. It is clear that Russia annexed Crimea.

AI> How did Ukraine cut off fresh water from Crimea?

You know little about this conflict. In the time of the USSR a special water channel to supply fresh water was dug from Dnepr river in Ukraine
to the Crimea (via the neck which connects Crimea with Ukraine). Electricity until 2014 also was from Ukraine. Note, that after 2014
Russia has never cut off Ukraine from supplying it with Russian gas,
oil and electricity.

This was in response to Russia's meddling in Crimea.


Ttyl :-),
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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday March 30 2022 13:28, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

I put "care" in quotation marks, which means it is a false statement,
on the verge of the opposite meaning.

You mean like Russia "care" about it's own citizens? :)

Best regards,
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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday March 30 2022 11:50, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

Ukraine). Electricity until 2014 also was from Ukraine. Note, that
after 2014 Russia has never cut off Ukraine from supplying it with
Russian gas, oil and electricity.

Russia confiscated Ukranian property in Cremea, in fact - stole it.
Putin is a thief, as we say in Russia: "Putin vor". But now it sounds very much like "Putin war" :(

Best regards,
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Hello Alexander,

Ukraine indeed has cut off fresh water and electricity to
its "temporarily occupied citizens" - this only fact tells
us how Ukraine authority in Kiev is "care" about its
citizens.

Yes, Crimea is a part of Ukraine. And Ukraine does care very
much for its own citizens. Nothing new about that.

I put "care" in quotation marks, which means it is a false statement, on the verge of the opposite meaning.

Crimea takes a special kind of care.

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 30.03.2022 11:58

ak>> You know little about this conflict. In the time of the
ak>> USSR a special water channel to supply fresh water was dug
ak>> from Dnepr river in Ukraine to the Crimea (via the neck
ak>> which connects Crimea with Ukraine). Electricity until 2014
ak>> also was from Ukraine. Note, that after 2014 Russia has
ak>> never cut off Ukraine from supplying it with Russian gas,
ak>> oil and electricity.
WD> Of course Russia kept up the supply of gas and electricity, it
WD> was a contract which made them money ... Getting water to the
WD> Crimea seems a challenge ... it's now a Russian problem. They
WD> should negotiate a contract/agreement with Ukraine as well. Has Russia
WD> done that? No ??

Well, Of course there were negotiations, but you can guess easily the
Ukraine answer -- "If you say that Crimea is not the part of Ukraine --
no fresh water and electricity for the people of Crimea".
Women and children are not very important -- they are Russian women and children.

Bye, Ward!
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Well, Of course there were negotiations, but you can guess easily the Ukraine answer -- "If you say that Crimea is not the part of Ukraine --
no fresh water and electricity for the people of Crimea".
Women and children are not very important -- they are Russian women and children.

No electricity in Crimea?

The fidonet nodes did not go off-line because of lacking electricity ... and that's an undisputed fact ...

Believe what you want ...

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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 30.03.22 3:30:

The fact is that Russia has invaded a
peaceful sovereign nation.

You know nothing about this "peaceful sovereign" nation. But that's fixable - they've already come to you, you'll have to move over and integrate with them. And it's no longer them with you, but you with them ;) it won't be easy.

No, it wasn't. It is clear that Russia
annexed Crimea.

Being part of Russia is the choice of the Crimeans, and twice - in 1991 and 2014.

This was in response to Russia's meddling in
Crimea.

When Europe begins to divide (and it will) - remember this ;)

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Oleg Nazaroff wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

You know nothing about this "peaceful sovereign" nation. But that's fixable - they've already come to you, you'll have to move over and integrate with them. And it's no longer them with you, but you with
them ;) it won't be easy.

You are not making sense.

No, it wasn't. It is clear that Russia annexed Crimea.

Being part of Russia is the choice of the Crimeans, and twice - in 1991 and 2014.

OK, If Crimea wants to be a russian republic they may do so.

When Europe begins to divide (and it will) - remember this ;)

OK, Oleg. Thanks for letting me know. ;)


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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 31.03.22 14:02:

You are not making sense.

It is you who SAY you don't understand. Nazism has already infiltrated Europe, the Bandera's are on their doorstep. This is how they were raised for 30 years.

OK, If Crimea wants to be a russian republic
they may do so.

Crimea made its final choice in 2014 and feels fine. But to "the whole" world (the Western world) it remains an "annexation of Russia" for some reason.


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Oleg Nazaroff wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

It is you who SAY you don't understand. Nazism has already infiltrated Europe, the Bandera's are on their doorstep. This is how they were
raised for 30 years.

That is Russian propaganda. It is baseless.

Crimea made its final choice in 2014 and feels fine. But to "the whole" world (the Western world) it remains an "annexation of Russia" for some reason.

Sure, Crimea can decide what path they choose. Not Russia.


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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 31.03.2022 12:50

ak>> Well, Of course there were negotiations, but you can guess
ak>> easily the Ukraine answer -- "If you say that Crimea is not
ak>> the part of Ukraine -- no fresh water and electricity for
ak>> the people of Crimea". Women and children are not very
ak>> important -- they are Russian women and children.
WD> No electricity in Crimea?

After the cutting off electricity, Crimea has a few own weak power
plants. In some time Russia has laid 4 powerful cable lines across Kerch Strait and the problem was solved.

WD> The fidonet nodes did not go off-line because of lacking
WD> electricity ... and that's an undisputed fact ... Believe what
WD> you want ...


Bye, Ward!
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Hi, Oleg Nazaroff!
I read your message from 31.03.2022 14:34

ON> When Europe begins to divide (and it will) - remember this;)

The UK will cease its existence really soon.

Bye, Oleg!
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No electricity in Crimea?

After the cutting off electricity, Crimea has a few own weak power
plants. In some time Russia has laid 4 powerful cable lines across Kerch Strait and the problem was solved.

And so they should. Russia wanted Crimea Russian? Then take care of it ... or reach good deals.

The fidonet nodes did not go off-line because of lacking
electricity ... and that's an undisputed fact ... Believe what
you want ...

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The UK will cease its existence really soon.

How do you think this will happen?

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���ண� �६�窠, alexander koryagin.
�� ��ᠫ� 01.04.22 9:47:

When Europe begins to divide (and it will)
- remember this;)

The UK will cease its existence really soon.

Poland used to have to, but they were almost more fruit-stubborn than Bandera. But - slowly they are already beating each other;)

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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 31.03.22 18:57:

That is Russian propaganda. It is baseless.

The West traditionally comes across as a giraffe that he did with himself with his own hands. When it comes, it will be too late to drink compote. Russian propaganda does not affect me, I myself am Russian;)

Sure, Crimea can decide what path they
choose. Not Russia.

Russia can. Without Russia, Crimea's decisions could only be about joining the vacuum or separating from Ukraine. Crimea has always been and remains only Russian.


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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 01.04.2022 10:26

ak>>> The UK will cease its existence really soon.
AI> How do you think this will happen?

Separatism? ;-)

Bye, Alan!
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