On 6/29/24 2:32 PM, Amessyroom wrote:

1: System administrator
2: Developer
3: User
4: Scientist

Professionally, I'm a UNIX / Linux Sr. SysAdmin.
HPUX 11.23-11.31, AIX 7.3, Solaris 8-10, and RHEL 4-<current>.

Post Script:
I've been doing this a long time, and I'm still learning stuff on a
daily basis.
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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Gandolf to Amessyroom on Mon Sep 02 2024 10:11 pm

On 6/29/24 2:32 PM, Amessyroom wrote:

1: System administrator
2: Developer
3: User
4: Scientist

Professionally, I'm a UNIX / Linux Sr. SysAdmin. HPUX 11.23-11.31, AIX 7.3, Solaris 8-10, and RHEL 4-<current>.

Post Script:
I've been doing this a long time, and I'm still learning stuff on a daily basis.
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Thanks for sharing. Yeah, I think I'm going to be the last one standing at work. So many people retiring around me, but I still have at least 10 years if I want full retirement. So hope I can make it.

You are correct regarding, learning stuff on a daily basis.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Gandolf to Amessyroom on Mon Sep 02 2024 10:11 pm

I've been doing this a long time, and I'm still learning stuff on a daily basis.

I started my IT carrer since HS. (1980)

Cut my teeth on our timesharing system using a 300baud dialup connection from Kearny NJ to Perth Amboy NJ.

On Tue and Wed a group of us (5) went to the VoTech in Jersey City NJ and we spent 4 hours learning RPG II on punched cards and 8 1/2 inch floppies.

On Tuesday, we prgrammed our cards and they were stored in a box.
On Thursday, we would have our print outs waiting for us, hoping the program didn't bomb and we had to spend the time manually debugging errors with each other.

I still have one of the 5 disc CDI discpacks given to me as a momento and a floppy with nothing on the label save for the name of my IBM AS/400 name : "AMPLIBR". We all named our libraries (LIBR) prefixed with our initials.

Ahhhhh...memories...

I don't miss the X-LOCKED error messages...

... was it an AS/400 or a 3270? Hmmmmmmmm...



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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: KnightMare to Gandolf on Tue Sep 03 2024 10:40 pm

Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Gandolf to Amessyroom on Mon Sep 02 2024 10:11 pm

I've been doing this a long time, and I'm still learning stuff on a daily
basis.

I started my IT carrer since HS. (1980)

Cut my teeth on our timesharing system using a 300baud dialup connection from Kearny NJ to Perth Amboy NJ.

On Tue and Wed a group of us (5) went to the VoTech in Jersey City NJ and we spent 4 hours learning RPG II on punched cards and 8 1/2 inch floppies.

On Tuesday, we prgrammed our cards and they were stored in a box. On Thursday, we would have our print outs waiting for us, hoping the program didn't bomb and we had to spend the time manually debugging errors with each other.

I still have one of the 5 disc CDI discpacks given to me as a momento and a floppy with nothing on the label save for the name of my IBM AS/400 name : "AMPLIBR". We all named our libraries (LIBR) prefixed with our initials.

Wild. I never did punch cards. But in high school we had to enter our code RPG II/COBOL onto 8-inch disks , then the disks were loaded into our IBM System 34 or something similar. And the jobs were ran in batch as you expressed. Wow I remember the waiting, like you said to see if it was going to run or not.

Now days you just you can compile/interpret as many times as you need/want; not as much time is spent or concern given on whether the code is going to run :-)

Fortunately, we had some TRS-80 Model II/16 systems also that we did BASIC on. So it wasn't all batch.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Amessyroom to KnightMare on Wed Sep 04 2024 07:48 am

Wild. I never did punch cards. But in high school we had to enter our code RPG II/COBOL onto 8-inch disks , then the disks were loaded into our IBM System 34 or something similar. And the jobs were ran in batch as you expressed. Wow I remember the waiting, like you said to see if it was going to run or not.

Kinda miss those days. That's when there was great care in writing and debugging, as the wait time was mostly unbearble.

Good times :)

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I worked at university data center in the 80s and we used the 80 punch cards for student data storage. It was loud and slow.

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Rixter wrote to KnightMare <=-

I worked at university data center in the 80s and we used the 80 punch cards for student data storage. It was loud and slow.

I started off with Commodore CBM 4032s (similar to a PET) with a
cassette drive in high school, but our teacher brought in an old punch
card data processing system for us all to play with, enter a job on
punch cards and see it run.

We wondered why, he asked us to trust him. Now, I get to say, "When I
started out on Punched Cards..." :)

Smart man, he was.



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I started off with Commodore CBM 4032s (similar to a PET) with a
cassette drive in high school, but our teacher brought in an old punch
card data processing system for us all to play with, enter a job on
punch cards and see it run.

We wondered why, he asked us to trust him. Now, I get to say, "When I
started out on Punched Cards..." :)

Smart man, he was.

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We have come a long way in asp short time.

telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23
http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080
Madison,NC

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Rixter on Wed Sep 18 2024 06:27:00

...CBM 4032s (similar to a PET)...

4032s /were/ PETs. The name change was a marketing move to appeal to the business market, same strategy Tandy used for their TRS-80 Model III onward.

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Mortar wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

...CBM 4032s (similar to a PET)...

4032s /were/ PETs. The name change was a marketing move to appeal to
the business market, same strategy Tandy used for their TRS-80 Model
III onward.

True. I always thought of the PET as the 8k, small keyboard on the
right, tape drive on the left models but, when googling it, see some
CBMs labeled as PETs.



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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Rixter to KnightMare on Wed Sep 18 2024 03:32 am

I worked at university data center in the 80s and we used the 80 punch cards for student data storage. It was loud and slow.

Painfully slow, at that!

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Rixter to KnightMare on Wed Sep 18 2024 03:32 am

I worked at university data center in the 80s and we used the 80 punch cards for student data storage. It was loud and slow.

In my high school computer class, we took a break from Commodore CBM systems to work on a WANG computer feeding batch jobs on punch cards. When we asked why we had to do it, my teacher said "Trust me, you'll understand some day".

Now, I get to say "WHY YOU KIDS HAVE IT SO EASY - WHEN I STARTED OUT WE HAD TO FEED BATCHES OF CARDS INTO THE COMPUTER TO SEE YOUR PROGRAM OUTPUT!"
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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Rixter on Mon Dec 16 2024 08:23 pm

In my high school computer class, we took a break from Commodore CBM systems to work on a WANG computer feeding batch jobs on punch cards. When we asked why we had to do it, my teacher said "Trust me, you'll understand some day".

When I was in school, they had typing classes in jr. high and high school, and there was also a programming class in high school as an elective. I took the typing class in 8th grade, and in 9th grade, I took the programming class and was hoping it would be C or C++, but they were teaching BASIC. They were still using a book from the late 70s, and this was the mid-90s when I was taking the class..

Nightfox

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm

Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.

I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can learn using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.
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