thats it. it is hpavc.

add slashes for scene cred. h/p/a/v/c



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on 10 Jul 2024, paulie420 said...

thats it. it is hpavc.

add slashes for scene cred. h/p/a/v/c

Shit, does that mean I need to rename the echo now? :P

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thats it. it is hpavc.

add slashes for scene cred. h/p/a/v/c

Shit, does that mean I need to rename the echo now? :P

No - I'm just gonna lol at the HPcav - some kinda cow business.... the Hewlett Packard baby COW. We're ok.. I love it - jP remembered HPcow. Check. :P



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on 10 Jul 2024, paulie420 said...

No - I'm just gonna lol at the HPcav - some kinda cow business.... the Hewlett Packard baby COW. We're ok.. I love it - jP remembered HPcow. Check. :P

Ha! Don't make me start posting ancient ass text files which use the "HPCAV" acronym, because buddy boy, I have them! :P

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No - I'm just gonna lol at the HPcav - some kinda cow business.... th Hewlett Packard baby COW. We're ok.. I love it - jP remembered HPcow. Check. :P

Ha! Don't make me start posting ancient ass text files which use the "HPCAV" acronym, because buddy boy, I have them! :P

Gawd; what weird groups were you in back then, even. :P



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Ha! Don't make me start posting ancient ass text files which use the "HPCAV" acronym, because buddy boy, I have them! :P

Show me! :)

-h1

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on 12 Jul 2024, hollowone said...

Show me! :)

Here's a couple, found easily via Google:

This is from a book called The Real Cyberpunk Fakebook published in 1995 which is kind of a pisstake of 80s cyberpunk fiction and moreso 90s hacker culture:

"HPCAV: Acronym for Hack/Phreak/Card/Anarchy/Virus-areas of interest in the computer underground. Sometimes just H/P."

https://archive.org/stream/TheRealCyberpunkFakeBook/The%20Real%20Cyberpunk%20Fa
ke%20Book_djvu.txt

This is an article about the scene from an issue of Mondo 2000 published in 1992:

"HPCAV - An abbreviation for Hack Phreak Card Anarchy Virus, which sums up major interests in the computer underground. Virus, of course, refers to computer viruses and Trojan horses. Another popular term is HP, Hack/Phreak."

http://textfiles.com/bbs/mondo.txt https://archive.org/details/mondo2000issue8/page/n113/mode/2up

(On a side note, looking through Mondo 2000 in 2024 is kind of a fucking trip. I need to go read more of this shit!)

From an interview with virus creator Mandragore in 1998:

"I've always been interested about hpcav since local BBSing, and later being cosysop. I never had some real hacking results, i don't take the time to progress, but it helps me to understand what i do, what's happening. That's why i've began to disasm on my CPC, becoming later a vxer. I tryied to phreak too, but i don't have enough electronical skillz. Phreaking is highly prohibited here (france).

Warez ? I'm for the freedom of information, but i'm not a trader. I just can't bear thoses lame kids trading some .cab :)"

http://vdat.bspar.org/ivmandra.htm

An article about virus writers called Keep the Infection Alive: Inside the dark, weird world of virus writes" from 2000:

"The programming elite has its own language. Viruses are "virii" or "vx" for short. The newest term is supposed to be "hpcav" -- "hacking-phreaking-cracking-anarchy-virus""

http://vdat.bspar.org/epweirdv.htm

MOST IMPORTANTLY, this bio of our beloved Zer0net node operator (who probably won't read this, sadly) the amazing (and absolutely never ever wrong when it comes to acronyms) Smooth from his BBS site:

"We were all young, fearless, and free. We lived the days of HPCAV (Hack, Phreak, Carding, Anarchy, and Virus)."

https://www.inktwo.com/about.aspx

Now, I admit, there might be some cross contamination there (that book 1995 is by some of the people from Mondo 2000, where that 1992 article appeared... and two articles about virus creators?!) and it's also possible these few folks are just mildly dyslexic, but I'm too lazy to do a complete dig through my archives. That said, I've already said that "HPACV" appears to have been much more popular, and I admit, if I had to do it all over again, I'd pick it instead. *cries* I'm going to change the description in the echolist file in the next infopack update. ;)

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jack phlash wrote to hollowone <=-

http://textfiles.com/bbs/mondo.txt https://archive.org/details/mondo2000issue8/page/n113/mode/2up

(On a side note, looking through Mondo 2000 in 2024 is kind of a
fucking trip. I need to go read more of this shit!)

The internet archive has Omni magazine, too. Reading Mondo and Omni
together are like layering psychadelics.

My vote is for H/P/A/C - that seems to stick in my head from the '90s.



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On Wednesday, July 10th paulie420 said...

thats it. it is hpavc.
add slashes for scene cred. h/p/a/v/c

lol glad I wasn't the only one struggling with HPCAV vs HPAVC

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on 13 Jul 2024, poindexter FORTRAN said...

The internet archive has Omni magazine, too. Reading Mondo and Omni
together are like layering psychadelics.

You know, I never really read much Mondo 2000 and its predecessors before Wired came around, and by the time I started reading Wired regularly, it was so watered down and chalk full of ads, it was pretty damn bad IMO. There was definitely a golden era though. I headed off to eBay to see if someone had a stack of them for cheap, but apparently they're goddamn collectors items now. Definitely settling for PDFs on that one!

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on 13 Jul 2024, NuSkooler said...

lol glad I wasn't the only one struggling with HPCAV vs HPAVC

Well, I'm glad I inadvertently created such a lively conversation prompt to kick this new echo off with! ;)

Now I'm off to go tell the friend who helped sell me on "HPCAV" that every single person on Zer0net says he's wrong and should be ashamed of himself...

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My vote is for H/P/A/C - that seems to stick in my head from the '90s.

h/p/a/v/c, FTW.



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Now I'm off to go tell the friend who helped sell me on "HPCAV" that
every single person on Zer0net says he's wrong and should be ashamed of himself...

HPcow - wTF!



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jack phlash wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

The internet archive has Omni magazine, too. Reading Mondo and Omni
together are like layering psychadelics.

You know, I never really read much Mondo 2000 and its predecessors
before Wired came around, and by the time I started reading Wired regularly, it was so watered down and chalk full of ads, it was pretty damn bad IMO. There was definitely a golden era though.

There was a free newspaper/tabloid in the San Francisco bay area called
N O D E, if I remember the marketing correctly. It was like a MONDO
2000 meets 2600 magazine, but circulation was sporadic and it
dissapeared without a trace. I can't find much about it, except a web
site that looks like it might be related.



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on 14 Jul 2024, poindexter FORTRAN said...

There was a free newspaper/tabloid in the San Francisco bay area called
N O D E, if I remember the marketing correctly. It was like a MONDO
2000 meets 2600 magazine, but circulation was sporadic and it
dissapeared without a trace. I can't find much about it, except a web
site that looks like it might be related.

Man, that sounds awesome! I'd guess we had similar things up here in Seattle, but when I was coming up I was in nowheresville, Tennessee. We were lucky our local bookstores would get the occasional copy of 2600, and I suppose that it was a boring enough place to live to have so many bored nerds tinkering with computers and BBSes. :P

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My vote is for H/P/A/C - that seems to stick in my head from the '90s.

I missed this whole convo I guess, but this is how I remember it. HPAC and then sometimes adding the V for 'completeness'.

... I'd love to help you out. Which way did you come in?

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Looks better that way. I don't get the slashes though :p
It makes sense when talking about the H/P scene, wouldn't want it to be confused again with HP!

I wanted to use this post to ask about the history of this term...
- Does anyone have a historical record about its evolution in time?
- Why are they grouped together in the first place?
- Is the C about carding or cracking?

There's a good article on the NULL magazine [005] called "hapavaca", which is the first place I've seen it taken seriously. But I wanted more information.

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on 02 Oct 2024, chibiko said...

I wanted to use this post to ask about the history of this term...
- Does anyone have a historical record about its evolution in time?
- Why are they grouped together in the first place?
- Is the C about carding or cracking?

1. I assume by this message that you read some of the earlier posts here on that topic - I mentioned some of the oldest ones I found by casually searching through old text files in one of my posts. It does indeed go back quite a ways.

2. Going by the same reasons we grouped them in the 90s and we still do even today, I'd guess mainly for practical purposes, like to denote special interest boards on BBS lists and ads, to label dedicated file areas and message conferences, that kind of thing. Early on, I'd also guess it was much less known, resulting in it being kind of a purposefully esoteric "if you know you know" kind of term. I suppose it still is, to some degree.

3. We debated that earlier in this area also. I'd personally always known it as cracking (in the hacking sense, not in the software cracking sense) but others always knew it as carding. When I searched around, I find old references to it being both things, so... *shrug*. Personally, carding probably makes more sense, being much more distinct from hacking than cracking, though in some scenes software cracking was a massive part of the underground scene so that's certainly a possibility.

I guess we did accidentally stumble upon an interesting topic. ;)

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3. We debated that earlier in this area also. I'd personally always
known it as cracking (in the hacking sense, not in the software cracking sense) but others always knew it as carding. When I searched around, I find old references to it being both things, so... *shrug*. Personally, carding probably makes more sense, being much more distinct from hacking than cracking, though in some scenes software cracking was a massive
part of the underground scene so that's certainly a possibility.

It always meant cracking to me, too -

Hacking, Phreaking, Anarchy, Virus [Virii], Cracking - do ya'll remember similarly? Carding WAS a part of hpavc for me, but my carding didn't go much beyond getting STARTER accounts w/ a 'valid' card #. I never sent $$$ to an address using stolen creds.

... one of my hacks, that I'm OK talking about because F ma bell, was getting refunds from public payphones for calls that I [said I] made from a payphone to a cruise ship - to start the call someone would have to put in like $32.50 in a payphone. I'd call the operator stating that I didso, and that my call was disconnected right when Mom answered...

I could get 3 refunds a week - every 72hrs - without AT&T asking questions. I did this throughout my sophomore - senior years in HS. It was a nice way to get $120/wk. :P

Thanks AT&T!



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1. I assume by this message that you read some of the earlier posts here on that topic - I mentioned some of the oldest ones I found by casually searching through old text files in one of my posts. It does indeed go back quite a ways.

Oh yeah I did read the entire thread. Didn't notice those were old mentions. Just thought you were trying to prove HPCAV vs HPAVC. There's tons of files that have some mention to this term.

2. Going by the same reasons we grouped them in the 90s and we still do even today, I'd guess mainly for practical purposes, like to denote special interest boards on BBS lists and ads, to label dedicated file areas and message conferences, that kind of thing. Early on, I'd also

That does make sense! This connection isn't too explicit, going by what textfiles say. I guess then BBS users generally sought out this sort of information; it's much easier to make a category for it. Without this context these scenes seem more distinct.

areas and message conferences, that kind of thing. Early on, I'd also guess it was much less known, resulting in it being kind of a
purposefully esoteric "if you know you know" kind of term. I suppose it still is, to some degree.

It is still very much unknown for the outside at least. I did a search and almost didn't find any mentions. I see it's more prominent on BBSes and text files. For me, they talk so naturally, seems like I should have known about it earlier.

3. We debated that earlier in this area also. I'd personally always
known it as cracking (in the hacking sense, not in the software cracking sense) but others always knew it as carding. When I searched around, I

Never thought about the "cracking" part that way :p it would overlap with the hacking, unless using the old-school definition.
The "carding" part does seem out of place, compared to the rest it seems like it requires a lower skill level.
I don't remember where I read this, it was years ago from a text file. When people started carding, they usually bought modems and other computer equipments. Police started to notice this pattern, and these carders pretty soon got arrested.

find old references to it being both things, so... *shrug*. Personally, carding probably makes more sense, being much more distinct from hacking than cracking, though in some scenes software cracking was a massive
part of the underground scene so that's certainly a possibility.

I'm on team War3z :)
<insert ascii mocking warez d00dz>

I guess we did accidentally stumble upon an interesting topic. ;)

Yeah, it is! This stuff is important to know about, as is an integral part of the scene. Thanx for the 0day info.

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It always meant cracking to me, too -

Hacking, Phreaking, Anarchy, Virus [Virii], Cracking - do ya'll remember similarly? Carding WAS a part of hpavc for me, but my carding didn't go much beyond getting STARTER accounts w/ a 'valid' card #. I never sent
$$$ to an address using stolen creds.

Cracking does have a bigger presence overall. But carding is still fun to read about.

That's a fun story, but why every 72h? And makes me surprised it worked for this long without anyone noticing. I think corps are too big to worry about this stuff.

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Hacking, Phreaking, Anarchy, Virus [Virii], Cracking - do ya'll remember similarly? Carding WAS a part of hpavc for me, but my carding didn't go much beyond getting STARTER accounts w/ a 'valid' card #. I never sent
$$$ to an address using stolen creds.

I seem to remember it being cracking, also. For me, carding was just fun to go to a payphone and call 1-800-DIAL-SEX and punch in a cc number and then ... well, ya know.

I did go beige boxing and called 900 numbers :P which is p - phreaking!

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Hi Paulie420,
In a message to Jack Phlash you wrote:

I could get 3 refunds a week - every 72hrs - without AT&T asking
questions. I did this throughout my sophomore - senior years in HS. It
was a nice way to get $120/wk. :P

So would they mail you cheques? Nice little "job" while in HS for sure.

Shawn

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on 03 Oct 2024, chibiko said...

Oh yeah I did read the entire thread. Didn't notice those were old mentions. Just thought you were trying to prove HPCAV vs HPAVC. There's tons of files that have some mention to this term.

No, you're totally correct here, but I referenced the earliest mentions of "HPCAV" I found, and IIRC I found some dating back to the early 90s. I'm sure the general abbreviation, regardless of the specific order, is even older, but when know it was AT LEAST that old.

That does make sense! This connection isn't too explicit, going by what textfiles say. I guess then BBS users generally sought out this sort of information; it's much easier to make a category for it. Without this context these scenes seem more distinct.

Yeah, I think that's accurate. I started in 1995 which makes me a late bloomer compared to some of the people here, but anecdotally, a lot of us (myself and my friends) got into this as kids or teens and the draw of edgy, underground topics was strong, even if there was no genuine interest there. I suspect a huge amount of kids immediately sought out how to become an "hacker" the second they spun up their modem and called their first BBS or online service. :P

It is still very much unknown for the outside at least. I did a search
and almost didn't find any mentions. I see it's more prominent on BBSes and text files. For me, they talk so naturally, seems like I should have known about it earlier.

I think in that respect, while you can find it mentioned all over the Internet, it's something an older, pretty much deprecated term, so it's not widely used anymore outside of those circles.

Never thought about the "cracking" part that way :p it would overlap
with the hacking, unless using the old-school definition.

Yeah, it is an old school definition - some people liked to make a strong distinction between a "hacker" in the classical sense of the word, meaning people who fuck with and fiddle with things, which in the computer scene to mostly relate to programming, and a "cracker" who did so with malicious intent. It's the difference between someone who hops a fence to explore, and maybe find a useful shortcut, vs. someone who hops a fence because they want to break into the building on the otherside of it. ;) Interestingly, the Wikipedia article also has a blurb about this:

"Though the self-designation of hobbyists as hackers is generally acknowledged and accepted by computer security hackers, people from the programming subculture consider the computer intrusion related usage incorrect, and emphasize the difference between the two by calling security breakers "crackers" (analogous to a safecracker)."

The "carding" part does seem out of place, compared to the rest it seems like it requires a lower skill level.

It depends. There are a lot of aspects to "carding" - I'd guess it originated in phone/calling cards and not credit cards, though by the time I got into the scene a lot of the most common calling card stuff was dead, and people were often looking for ways to exploit credit cards.

It was also bigger/different in different areas, like in the UK where even local calls cost money, so calling card fraud was an essential for heavy BBSers, like warez couriers.

I don't remember where I read this, it was years ago from a text file. When people started carding, they usually bought modems and other
computer equipments. Police started to notice this pattern, and these carders pretty soon got arrested.

That's probably a generalization, but yeah, there are a lot of stories about that, both from the crackdowns in the late 80s and 90s, and just anecdotes from friends and other people I've known in the scene who were guilty of a lot of shady shit, but only ended up getting busted because of credit card fraud. The authorities always took the shit seriously. Cell phone cloning was another one that got a lot of people busted in those days.

Yeah, it is! This stuff is important to know about, as is an integral
part of the scene. Thanx for the 0day info.

*wonders if I actually replied the same day or not*

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[AT&T Refunds from cruise ships 'hack']

That's a fun story, but why every 72h? And makes me surprised it worked for this long without anyone noticing. I think corps are too big to
worry about this stuff.

I'm sure my old man mind remembers a bit bigger than it was, but I didso over a couple [school] years. It was enough $$ that I thought I was hot shit - and my mother DID wonder about my >18 bank account deposits. LoL!



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I seem to remember it being cracking, also. For me, carding was just fun to go to a payphone and call 1-800-DIAL-SEX and punch in a cc number and then ... well, ya know.

Yea - that was the extend of my 'carding', too... but mine was done online to start up a XXXXXXX.com account for the night.

Sheesh... :P



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I could get 3 refunds a week - every 72hrs - without AT&T asking questions. I did this throughout my sophomore - senior years in HS. It was a nice way to get $120/wk. :P

So would they mail you cheques? Nice little "job" while in HS for sure.

Yep - other online friends and I found out that you could doso every 3rd day - we'd give a few hours/afternoon extra to be sure. If you tried to do it one after another they would deny it because they saw the previous one.

But I didso around... gosh - 70 times - so they weren't that good at looking at the history!



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Yea - that was the extend of my 'carding', too... but mine was done
online to start up a XXXXXXX.com account for the night.

Remember streaming jpegs and gifs and things like, line by line on 56k on some pr0n website? Those were the days. Can't believe I used to jerk off to still images. Like the stone age. ugh.

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Yea - that was the extend of my 'carding', too... but mine was done online to start up a XXXXXXX.com account for the night.

Remember streaming jpegs and gifs and things like, line by line on 56k
on some pr0n website? Those were the days. Can't believe I used to jerk off to still images. Like the stone age. ugh.

They came thru with three scans - remember that bit??? :P Omg - that first one... the outline. The second - more detail... the third; oh boi.



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Yeah, I think that's accurate. I started in 1995 which makes me a late bloomer compared to some of the people here, but anecdotally, a lot of
us (myself and my friends) got into this as kids or teens and the draw
of edgy, underground topics was strong, even if there was no genuine interest there. I suspect a huge amount of kids immediately sought out
how to become an "hacker" the second they spun up their modem and called their first BBS or online service. :P

You can see it in their nicknames, quite edgy! Different from today, where people choose cryptic shit for a handle.
(I know it's true after reading stuff from old DEFCON)
Writing in elite is still fun :)

So, this fascination with cracking came to be after that War Games movie?? It was great... must have been hard for those poor sysops, dealing with a flood of people coming to their systems.

Yeah, it is an old school definition - some people liked to make a strong distinction between a "hacker" in the classical sense of the word,

It's the technically correct term, but people didn't knew how to use it correctly. And this would displace our warez friends too.

It depends. There are a lot of aspects to "carding" - I'd guess it originated in phone/calling cards and not credit cards, though by the
time I got into the scene a lot of the most common calling card stuff
was dead, and people were often looking for ways to exploit credit cards.

Oh I see, getting phone cards is a bit higher goal :p

*wonders if I actually replied the same day or not*

Lulz not 0day but it's elite info.

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They came thru with three scans - remember that bit??? :P Omg - that
first one... the outline. The second - more detail... the third; oh boi.

I remember sometimes I'd start downloading some image and then I'd lose connectivity or the download would fail, ultimately I'd end up with a partial download. A lot of times I could open them and see parts of a hot pic, but of course, the part that you really wanna see never made it over so it's just a big tease lol.

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Hi Paulie420,
On <Sat, 04 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

But I didso around... gosh - 70 times - so they weren't that good at looking at the history!

Laugh, I love it. I'm sure the billing software wouldn't allow it now,
but it sure was a good time back then.

The only thing I did was use stolen codes for long distance providers
so I could get on the internet from a free slip account in new york. haha

Shawn

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On Sat, Oct 05 10:24:24 -0500, you wrote:

*wonders if I actually replied the same day or not*

Lulz not 0day but it's elite info.

For the record, this is 0net.. so everything here is 0day no matter what day it is. :)

Regards,
Nick

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For the record, this is 0net.. so everything here is 0day no matter what day it is. :)

I get it now. The zero day network!

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I remember sometimes I'd start downloading some image and then I'd lose connectivity or the download would fail, ultimately I'd end up with a partial download. A lot of times I could open them and see parts of a
hot pic, but of course, the part that you really wanna see never made it over so it's just a big tease lol.

So funny - that reminds me about a thing that we don't even do anymore; thumbnails.

You'd pull down one JPG w/ made up of 100 thumbnails so you knew what pictures you really wanted to grab...

Then IRC and we could really get collecting - don't get me started. :P



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You'd pull down one JPG w/ made up of 100 thumbnails so you knew what pictures you really wanted to grab...

Hooooooly shit blast from the past. I totally forgot about this!

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For the record, this is 0net.. so everything here is 0day no matter what day it is. :)

zero day Metallica discussions!!

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On Tue, Oct 08 00:23:12 -0500, you wrote:

For the record, this is 0net.. so everything here is 0day no
matter what day it is. :)

zero day Metallica discussions!!

Duuuuude. We've gone so long without... :(

Regards,
Nick

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Accession wrote to jack phlash <=-

zero day Metallica discussions!!

Duuuuude. We've gone so long without... :(

I was in the office yesterday and got a complaint about the video
conferencing system in the main conference room. The person told me
there was a lot of distortion on the audio, and it sounded like the mike
was overdriving.

The term sounded metal, so I said "So, you want more George Benson and
less Kirk Hammett?"

He chuckled - he is a guitar player.



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On Thu, Oct 10 14:48:00 -0500, you wrote:

The term sounded metal, so I said "So, you want more George Benson and less Kirk Hammett?"

He chuckled - he is a guitar player.

Here at Zeronet, we've strived to bring up Metallica, Jason Scott, and maybe a couple other topics at least once, every. single. year.

This has gone on for at least 10-15 years, and this has probably been one of the longest hiatuses of this event so far.. until JP ruined it.

:P

Regards,
Nick

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Hi Accession,
In a message to Poindexter Fortran you wrote:

Here at Zeronet, we've strived to bring up Metallica, Jason Scott, and maybe a couple other topics at least once, every. single. year.

I remember the multi year Coke vs Pepsi thread. That was great fun!
(Coke by the way is the superier beverage)

This has gone on for at least 10-15 years, and this has probably been
one of the longest hiatuses of this event so far.. until JP ruined it.

I have been watching Metallica video's for the last week or so just
because I forgot how good they really are. You can set a watch by
James' timing. As a rytham guitar player myself (before my hands)
I really apreciate that.

Shawn

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on 10 Oct 2024, Accession said...

Here at Zeronet, we've strived to bring up Metallica, Jason Scott, and maybe a couple other topics at least once, every. single. year.

This has gone on for at least 10-15 years, and this has probably been
one of the longest hiatuses of this event so far.. until JP ruined it.

:P

Ha! That's way too generous - I think its been mentioned far more recently than that! Besides, it's more of an actual discussion than just a mention, and it's been awhile since we discussed either topic in earnest.

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on 11 Oct 2024, Tiny said...

I have been watching Metallica video's for the last week or so just because I forgot how good they really are. You can set a watch by
James' timing. As a rytham guitar player myself (before my hands)
I really apreciate that.

Damn it, here we go... ;)

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On Fri, Oct 11 11:19:58 -0500, you wrote:

I remember the multi year Coke vs Pepsi thread. That was great fun!
(Coke by the way is the superier beverage)

I actually prefer a majority of Coke products over Pepsi. I think Mellow Yellow is way better than Mountain Dew, also.

I have been watching Metallica video's for the last week or so just
because I forgot how good they really are. You can set a watch by
James' timing. As a rytham guitar player myself (before my hands)
I really apreciate that.

After the black album, I lost interest. But I still wouldn't argue their skill level. Just not really in my wheelhouse any more, to be honest.

Regards,
Nick

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I have been watching Metallica video's for the last week or so just because I forgot how good they really are. You can set a watch by
James' timing. As a rytham guitar player myself (before my hands)
I really apreciate that.

He's got the best right hand in the genre. Dude's a machine.

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Hi Accession,
On <Sat, 11 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

After the black album, I lost interest. But I still wouldn't argue
their skill level. Just not really in my wheelhouse any more, to be
honest.

I don't listen to much newer then that era anyway. Andrea explained
it's due to the way your hearing changes and it's no longer as adaptable.
So we tend to listen to the same era of music for life.

Shawn

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Hi Jack,
On <Sat, 11 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

hands) I really apreciate that.

Damn it, here we go... ;)

LOL

Shawn

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On Fri, Oct 11 21:51:54 -0500, you wrote:

Ha! That's way too generous - I think its been mentioned far more
recently than that! Besides, it's more of an actual discussion than just
a mention, and it's been awhile since we discussed either topic in earnest.

I think that when it is mentioned, a lot of us just choose to not reply and/or ignore it, in hopes that it goes away and we forget about it again until next time/year. :)

Regards,
Nick

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On Fri, Oct 11 21:52:30 -0500, you wrote:

I have been watching Metallica video's for the last week or so just
because I forgot how good they really are. You can set a watch by
James' timing. As a rytham guitar player myself (before my hands)
I really apreciate that.

Damn it, here we go... ;)

Lars is a bish. There, I said it!

Regards,
Nick

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Tiny wrote to Accession <=-

I remember the multi year Coke vs Pepsi thread. That was great fun!
(Coke by the way is the superier beverage)

How about Pepsi Zero versus Coke Zero? (hint: I like PZ better,
surprisingly. I *hate* Diet Pepsi...)


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jack phlash wrote to Tiny <=-

on 11 Oct 2024, Tiny said...

I have been watching Metallica video's for the last week or so just because I forgot how good they really are. You can set a watch by
James' timing. As a rytham guitar player myself (before my hands)
I really apreciate that.

Damn it, here we go... ;)

Malcolm Young >> James Hetfield




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Tiny wrote to Accession <=-

adaptable. So we tend to listen to the same era of music for life.

On my recent commutes, I've listened to 80s new wave haircut bands, Devin Townsend
(Melodic/thrash/orchestral metal), A compilation of London NuJazz and LTJ
Bukem (Jungle/Drum&Bass)

Oh, and Rush's Moving Pictures - in it's entirety.





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Malcolm Young >> James Hetfield

Hmmmm.....

They're both masters at exactly what it is they do. But I think Hetfield could probably fill in for Malcolm, and not the inverse.

Malcolm is great for giving songs space and breathing room, only playing exactly what needs to be played with no embellishments or tricky/show-off-y things. Hetfield does lots of tricky stuff, but that's part of what I like about his playing.

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Hi Poindexter,
On <Sun, 12 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

Oh, and Rush's Moving Pictures - in it's entirety.

While this may get me thrown out of the country. I hate
hate hate hate hate hate rush.

Why would they let someone who sounds like fingernails
on a chalkboard sing?

If they had gagged him they would have been good.

Shawn

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on 13 Oct 2024, esc said...

They're both masters at exactly what it is they do. But I think Hetfield could probably fill in for Malcolm, and not the inverse.

Malcolm is great for giving songs space and breathing room, only playing exactly what needs to be played with no embellishments or tricky/show-off-y things. Hetfield does lots of tricky stuff, but that's part of what I like about his playing.

Subjectively, I'd rather listen to Metallica's better/best stuff than AC/DC's any day of the week too. :P

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on 14 Oct 2024, Tiny said...

Oh, and Rush's Moving Pictures - in it's entirety.

While this may get me thrown out of the country. I hate
hate hate hate hate hate rush.

Why would they let someone who sounds like fingernails
on a chalkboard sing?

If they had gagged him they would have been good.

Ha! I *loveeee* Rush, particularly their 70s progressive stuff, although some of their 80s stuff is great too, but I totally get this criticism. The only *real* reason I don't mind Geddy Lee's vocals is because I was indoctrinated at a young age. ;)

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On Mon, Oct 14 20:26:48 -0500, you wrote:

Subjectively, I'd rather listen to Metallica's better/best stuff than AC/DC's any day of the week too. :P

Somehow, this topic distracted us in from the HPVAC vs HPCAV argument. *cries*

Regards,
Nick

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While this may get me thrown out of the country. I hate
hate hate hate hate hate rush.

I never got into them, either. It's funny, but I'm a big fan of Tool. A lot of Tool fans also like Rush. Kind of a strange venn diagram of people you wouldn't expect to be in both camps lol.

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Hi Jack,
On <Tue, 14 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

Ha! I *loveeee* Rush, particularly their 70s progressive stuff,
although some of their 80s stuff is great too, but I totally get this criticism. The only *real* reason I don't mind Geddy Lee's vocals is because I was indoctrinated at a young age. ;)

I apreciate their music... however:

I was too, the law in Canada says you must play on the FM radio the
only 2 songs Rush ever wrote once per hour. So I hear those first
notes to Tom Sawyer or the other one and the radio is turned off
at light speed.

If I never hear him screech again as long as I live I will die a much
happier man.

Shawn

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on 15 Oct 2024, Tiny said...

I apreciate their music... however:

Most everyone can agree that they're fantastic musicians.

I was too, the law in Canada says you must play on the FM radio the
only 2 songs Rush ever wrote once per hour. So I hear those first
notes to Tom Sawyer or the other one and the radio is turned off
at light speed.

If I never hear him screech again as long as I live I will die a much happier man.

Ha! What's the second one, Limelight? :P

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Ha! I *loveeee* Rush, particularly their 70s progressive stuff, although some of their 80s stuff is great too, but I totally get this criticism. The only *real* reason I don't mind Geddy Lee's vocals is because I was indoctrinated at a young age. ;)

(kind of sadly) i rarely listen to music much anymore, but when i do Rush is one of my gotos. i can just queue their stuff up and zone out while working for hours.

wish they were all still with us.

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Hi Jack,
On <Wed, 15 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

Ha! What's the second one, Limelight? :P

Yeah, they only wrote 2 songs if you listen to FM
radio. :) If they had just put a sock in his mouth so
he couldn't sing....

Shawn


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On Fri, Oct 11 11:19:58 -0500, you wrote:

After the black album, I lost interest. But I still wouldn't argue their skill
level. Just not really in my wheelhouse any more, to be honest.

Same here i donot know why but that is the last LP what i buy
newer buy that much CD same thing donot know why just lost
itrest of music i ques

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