I'm prejudiced. I can't stand to watch movies with actors or listen to music with musicians who are either woke and/or afraid to admit to loving President Trump.

I'm a big country music fan and a gigantic President Trump fan also. What's up with Anne Wilson? I used to like hearing her songs, but ever since I saw her listed as a guest on the Jimmy Kimmel show I'm not sure about her anymore. Does she stand for people dying along the US-Mexico border or does she stand with common sense/warm-bloodedness?

The poor gal is just trying to stay relevant. She don't wanna be labeled as "MAGA" but she also don't wanna miss any opportunities. (Typical traits of a reptilian cunt.)

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I'm a big country music fan and a gigantic President Trump fan also.
What's up with Anne Wilson? I used to like hearing her songs, but ever
since I saw her listed as a guest on the Jimmy Kimmel show I'm not sure about her anymore. Does she stand for people dying along the US-Mexico border or does she stand with common sense/warm-bloodedness?

Is MAGA allegiance so frail you have to rant about someone going on a talk show?

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on 13 Oct 2025, Shitty said...

I'm prejudiced. I can't stand to watch movies with actors or listen to music with musicians who are either woke and/or afraid to admit to
loving President Trump.

I'm sure some people who don't know me well might describe me as "woke" and I absolutely hate President Trump, so if you're as fragile about BBS message networks as you are about movies and music, feel free to never post such a dumb fucking message here ever again.

*back to me not talking about highly divisive politics in the fucking entertainment echo of all places*

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I'm a big country music fan and a gigantic President Trump fan also. What's up with Anne Wilson? I used to like hearing her songs, but ever since I saw her listed as a guest on the Jimmy Kimmel show I'm not sure about her anymore. Does she stand for people dying along the US-Mexico border or does she stand with common sense/warm-bloodedness?

Is MAGA allegiance so frail you have to rant about someone going on a
talk show?

My MAGA allegiance follows me into several different message bases. That's not frailty.

Anne Wilson disappointed me. She's dancing on Charlie Kirk's grave when she pals around with sick bastards like Jimmy Kimmel.

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I'm prejudiced. I can't stand to watch movies with actors or listen t music with musicians who are either woke and/or afraid to admit to loving President Trump.

I'm sure some people who don't know me well might describe me as "woke" and I absolutely hate President Trump, so if you're as fragile about BBS message networks as you are about movies and music, feel free to never post such a dumb fucking message here ever again.

Anne Wilson is an entertainer. My disappointment in her was the first thing that came to mind when I got to this echo.

I thought my other message about becoming gay and moving to California was worse. I regret that one more.

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on 13 Oct 2025, metalhead said...

Anne Wilson is an entertainer. My disappointment in her was the first thing that came to mind when I got to this echo.

To be clear, I don't care if you want to discuss MAGA aligned artists - last time you posted about this topic there was some decent discussion. No, I responded the way I did because your message struck me as total bait - maybe you wanted to discuss it, but it also seemed like you wanted to piss people who disagreed with you off and/or start a sure to be inflammatory political thread. It read very trolly to me. If I was totally wrong, then I apologize, but that's just how I read it in the moment.

I thought my other message about becoming gay and moving to California
was worse. I regret that one more.

See, I thought that was funny and very obviously not serious. *shrug* Both were apparently beer powered. Ha!

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To be clear, I don't care if you want to discuss MAGA aligned artists - last time you posted about this topic there was some decent discussion. No, I responded the way I did because your message struck me as total
bait - maybe you wanted to discuss it, but it also seemed like you
wanted to piss people who disagreed with you off and/or start a sure to
be inflammatory political thread. It read very trolly to me. If I was totally wrong, then I apologize, but that's just how I read it in the moment.

this is very interesting observation jP about something I missed, but I'm provocative in my own communication so often that it's actually very easy to miss.

I find many people (well, including myself) who are quite clever and thoughtful, but using shortcuts to express their thoughts to the point, that may be way too direct or provocative to others and obviously zero-one way too much to find balance when casual eye looks at it.

I'm not attacking nor defending either metalhead nor you.. just found out that this is how social web 2.0 fucked up us all together as in all this political correctness of everything, anything out of balance is apparently a bait (I can agree on that)... but also it's a product of frustration of many people who lost the ability to express their minds within the limits of undefined balance we all have lost in the meantime.

I hope your words are meaningful to metalhead but I also hope mine bring some general sense here (foreign to English lang so I'm confused if I'm even able to articulate all I intend to well).

Point is... sometimes people really want to say something meaningful. It's just the history of last 1.5 decade of online communication pushed us to the ways that many of us think we need to fight to be heard.. instead of just being heard and keep chatting.

I don't know.. but I hope you get what I'm trying to say here.

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To be clear, I don't care if you want to discuss MAGA aligned artists - last time you posted about this topic there was some decent discussion. No, I responded the way I did because your message struck me as total
bait - maybe you wanted to discuss it, but it also seemed like you
wanted to piss people who disagreed with you off and/or start a sure to
be inflammatory political thread. It read very trolly to me. If I was totally wrong, then I apologize, but that's just how I read it in the moment.

I didn't intend it in a trolling way. Here's part of the picture that you might not see: 99% of country musicans are MAGA. There are some who are up front about being Democrat. It's all good. Some are in-between and that's all good too. But what irks me is that this Anne Wilson gal (who's always been neutral) took the role of being Jimmy Kimmel's first musical guest since his bashing of Charlie Kirk and of all those who follow(ed) him.

She showed her true colors the wrong way. I'd rather have had her get on TV and say "Fuck Trump and Fuck all the MAGA people." I liked Charlie Kirk a lot. Earlier that morning on September 10th my wife sent me one of his videos and she said "I really, really love him" and I replied her back "Me too." Then later that morning I texted her back saying "Charlie passed away today."

So Kamala Harris is ok, and Robert Deniro is ok by me too. But Jimmy Kimmel and Anne Wilson can eat a dick for their insensitivity. That's all I'm saying.

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I didn't intend it in a trolling way. Here's part of the picture that
you might not see: 99% of country musicans are MAGA. There are some who are up front about being Democrat. It's all good. Some are in-between

is it? tell us how you *reeeeeally* feel.

TV and say "Fuck Trump and Fuck all the MAGA people." I liked Charlie
Kirk a lot. Earlier that morning on September 10th my wife sent me one

why? he brought almost nothing to the table that wasn't divisive. what is there to like about being opposed to the civil rights movement, or making snarky comments about the intelligence of black people? MLK was a bad guy now? do you agree with that?

dude was just a recycling center for conspiracy theories and hate
speech under the guise of discussion, but instead of actually conversing he'd just cut off opposing viewpoints, put on a greasy smile and say, "prove me wrong. :)"

days before he was shot he fucking flew to japan to meet with a bunch of racist shitbags who are opposed to civil rights for anyone different or who disagrees with them. he buddied up with them because they wear (literal) MAGA hats. (CLEARLY they must be good guys, right?) why? zero reason for him to do that except to stir up shit.

about the only thing he actually supported that was remotely righteous in my mind was freedom of speech -- and now his death been turned into a weapon against it in the ultimate irony.

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hollowone wrote to jack phlash <=-

I'm not attacking nor defending either metalhead nor you.. just found
out that this is how social web 2.0 fucked up us all together as in all this political correctness of everything, anything out of balance is apparently a bait (I can agree on that)... but also it's a product of frustration of many people who lost the ability to express their minds within the limits of undefined balance we all have lost in the
meantime.

I can see that, my issue with the post was focused more on context than
the actual message.

Posting about Ann Wilson - entertainment subboard.

Posting about Ann Wilson's political bent - politics subboard.

At the end of the day, many of us aren't just contributors, we're
trying to run BBSes that appeal to the few users who stumble into our
little corners of the internet. We try to keep them distinct from the
noise and the rabble of social networks, and the last thing our BBSes
need is for us to spend time building topic-based areas and
conversations to devolve into woke/anti-woke sentiment.

As a potential new user, I want to read about entertainment in the
entertainment echo, not someone's displeasure over an entertainers
alleged political bent.

I hope your words are meaningful to metalhead but I also hope mine
bring some general sense here (foreign to English lang so I'm confused
if I'm even able to articulate all I intend to well).

Point is... sometimes people really want to say something meaningful.
It's just the history of last 1.5 decade of online communication pushed
us to the ways that many of us think we need to fight to be heard.. instead of just being heard and keep chatting.

I don't know.. but I hope you get what I'm trying to say here.

-h1

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copy.

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metalhead wrote to jack phlash <=-

and that's all good too. But what irks me is that this Anne Wilson gal (who's always been neutral) took the role of being Jimmy Kimmel's first musical guest since his bashing of Charlie Kirk and of all those who follow(ed) him.

Had you ever thought that her agent thought there'd be a massive amount
of people watching and it would be good exposure? At the end of the
day, we're all Americans here, and we all consume media.





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At the end of the day, many of us aren't just contributors, we're
trying to run BBSes that appeal to the few users who stumble into our
little corners of the internet. We try to keep them distinct from the
noise and the rabble of social networks, and the last thing our BBSes
need is for us to spend time building topic-based areas and
conversations to devolve into woke/anti-woke sentiment.

As a potential new user, I want to read about entertainment in the
entertainment echo, not someone's displeasure over an entertainers
alleged political bent.

Well. I understand what you wrote above. I also get that part of the BBS world I already belong to is more US driven with US specific topics and mindset. I also understand that as I lived in your country and think I can still catch up.

Never the less, WOKE-/Anti-Woke. MAGA- /Anti-Maga thing doesn't matter that much if you trust that what was before all
that bullshit matters more which is netiquette. and that allowed all sort of views blend as long as we respect each other.

And one of the things I found out those years ago as newcomer I'm not anymore is that even if I disagree with individual opinion or mess created in the discussion groups, this is the internet I missed since USENET died killed by spam and Web 2.0

I'd not worry about newcomers who are scared by MAGA/WOKE split we all know polarizes us.
I'd assume all self-aware newcomers who miss the place where bridge can be creates should be continually amazed that even
with disagreements and various structural break down in the flow we still try to intellectually respect each other.

That's what creates the unique value of BBS world like if 90s were never over.

We should not be scared to fairly confront each others opinions and yours is absolutely legitimate of course.
All I'm saying is nothing metal head said is out of BBS balance yet.

and trust me, I'm aware I'm among the last to understand balance of my own words quite often!

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and that's all good too. But what irks me is that this Anne Wilson ga (who's always been neutral) took the role of being Jimmy Kimmel's fir musical guest since his bashing of Charlie Kirk and of all those who follow(ed) him.

Had you ever thought that her agent thought there'd be a massive amount
of people watching and it would be good exposure? At the end of the
day, we're all Americans here, and we all consume media.

Metalhead, I'm Polish, greetings from Cyprus where I'm sitting right now!
But I enjoyed how Seahawks won over Jaguars last Sunday!

-h1

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TV and say "Fuck Trump and Fuck all the MAGA people." I liked Charlie Kirk a lot. Earlier that morning on September 10th my wife sent me on

why? he brought almost nothing to the table that wasn't divisive. what is there to like about being opposed to the civil rights movement, or making snarky comments about the intelligence of black people? MLK was
a bad guy now? do you agree with that?

I never saw any of that nor did I see him as "divisive." Left-leaning people don't like it when they're proven wrong, so they try to turn the tables by saying things like "that's divisive" or "that's racist."

I saw a bunch of videos of Charlie Kirk proving left-leaning people wrong. They need that, because they're not grounded in reality. I saw him as sympathetic to them.

The left has changed the definition of "divisive" to "person who thinks differently than the people on TV."

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Posting about Ann Wilson - entertainment subboard.

Posting about Ann Wilson's political bent - politics subboard.

* Correction: My bad, I kept saying "Anne Wilson" but I love Anne Wilson. It's Lainey Wilson who I'm disppointed in!

At the end of the day, many of us aren't just contributors, we're
trying to run BBSes that appeal to the few users who stumble into our
little corners of the internet. We try to keep them distinct from the

That's a good point. Plus there's the fact that most of the people who read Zeronet are Democrats. It's like me walking into a college bar and playing a country song on the Jukebox.

There are certain people (like me) who are just too focused on politics. It would be a great idea for me to back away from it. (But I'll never take down my MAGA flag!)

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and that's all good too. But what irks me is that this Anne Wilson ga (who's always been neutral) took the role of being Jimmy Kimmel's fir musical guest since his bashing of Charlie Kirk and of all those who follow(ed) him.

Had you ever thought that her agent thought there'd be a massive amount
of people watching and it would be good exposure? At the end of the
day, we're all Americans here, and we all consume media.

That's a good point but I'm just strongly opposed to people using evil to enrich themselves. Like if some Democrat judge pulls Ghislaine Maxwell out of
prison, and she hosts SNL, whoever the musical guest is that night, is evil.

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hollowone wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Metalhead, I'm Polish, greetings from Cyprus where I'm sitting right
now! But I enjoyed how Seahawks won over Jaguars last Sunday!

I lived in Oakland for 10 years, loved it when the Raiders played there
and the Seahawks were in the AFC. Made for some mighty rivals and some
interesting live action in the stands. Lots of blue in the stands in
Oakland, and lots of silver and black in Seattle for the games.



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metalhead wrote to jinkusu <=-

The left has changed the definition of "divisive" to "person who thinks differently than the people on TV."

The right is following along the same playbook, except "divisive" is
anyone disagreeing with MAGA politics these days, to the Republican
party.



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metalhead wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

* Correction: My bad, I kept saying "Anne Wilson" but I love Anne
Wilson. It's Lainey Wilson who I'm disppointed in!

That's a relief. If you were going to continue talking about Ann Wilson
in a less-than-complementary way, we'd have an issue.

She brought Robert Plant to tears with her performance of "Stairway to
Heaven" at the Kennedy Honors, after all!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFxOaDeJmXk




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day, we're all Americans here, and we all consume media.

That's a good point but I'm just strongly opposed to people using evil to enrich themselves. Like if some Democrat judge pulls Ghislaine Maxwell
out of prison, and she hosts SNL, whoever the musical guest is that
night, is evil.

All right but one thing troubles me. this is [Entertainment] which I connect normally to movies, books, games, even music. could be stand up comedy or maybe many different things but why the hell we're spending time here debating about politics?

I'd love to see this whole thread moved to "DOVE/Debate" and see MRO joining :)

-h1

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Hey hollowone!

On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 08:40:28 -0700, you wrote:

I'd love to see this whole thread moved to "DOVE/Debate" and see MRO
joining :)

*cough*

Best Zeronet oneliner of the week, folks! :D

Regards,
Nick

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The left has changed the definition of "divisive" to "person who thin differently than the people on TV."

The right is following along the same playbook, except "divisive" is
anyone disagreeing with MAGA politics these days, to the Republican
party.

You're probably right. The Republican party sucks.

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* Correction: My bad, I kept saying "Anne Wilson" but I love Anne Wilson. It's Lainey Wilson who I'm disppointed in!

That's a relief. If you were going to continue talking about Ann Wilson
in a less-than-complementary way, we'd have an issue.

"Ann" Wilson from Heart is ok, but I'm a bigger fan of "Anne" Wilson, the Christian singer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW5o2uBeMWQ

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All right but one thing troubles me. this is [Entertainment] which I connect normally to movies, books, games, even music. could be stand up comedy or maybe many different things but why the hell we're spending
time here debating about politics?

Because I drink too much!

I'd love to see this whole thread moved to "DOVE/Debate" and see MRO joining :)

That's a different orgy, and I don't have the code word to join. :(

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Re: Re: Prejudism
By: metalhead to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Oct 17 2025 03:50 pm

You're probably right. The Republican party sucks.

They both do. We need a new system, but the people who profit from the old system aren't going to vote for a change.

I think of the 90-something year olds in Congress and wonder if it's really worth it to spend your life accumulating more wealth then you need, and trading time in the last year of your life doing so?

I listened to a podcast where an author was asking people in their late 50s to question working a sprint to the finish line, trying to make as much money for retirement in their last working years. He suggested retiring early and making the most of these years. You could work your ass off from 58 to 65 in order to have a more lavish retirement, then end up with a lower quality of life because of aging, health, etc. - or take the vacation now while you're young and plan accordingly?

I'd think politicians could have retired and hung out with grandkids at the county fair, but maybe that's not how they're wired.
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Because I drink too much!

tell me what're ya drinking I'll try to suggest something that turns you different crazy :)

Trust me I'm Polish, I've got some expertise to share.

I'd love to see this whole thread moved to "DOVE/Debate" and see me> ho> me> ho> me> ho> MRO
joining :)

That's a different orgy, and I don't have the code word to join. :(

Oh man.. I see you're posting on jP's site, so all I can suggest is to respect hospitality as you joined the core. As much as I like you, I think I'd like you to discover 20-4-BEERS only for the sake of seeing local "America 2.0" and DOVENet being available.

There you'll find more seasoned fighters of freedom who can kick your drinking ass in no time :)

Here on 0-NET we're but hackers who are only good at hacking your ass
digitally the way that your long head banging hair drops down to the floor without realizing the noise as freq is way too high to hear..

But we're fragile on politics.. we fucking don't care normally unless somebody pushes to talk about it. then fight continues on all frequencies, regardless of the circuit's logic.

You get me my friend?

-h1

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on 16 Oct 2025, poindexter FORTRAN said...

At the end of the day, many of us aren't just contributors, we're
trying to run BBSes that appeal to the few users who stumble into our
little corners of the internet. We try to keep them distinct from the
noise and the rabble of social networks, and the last thing our BBSes
need is for us to spend time building topic-based areas and
conversations to devolve into woke/anti-woke sentiment.

I've been all over the place in my opinions about discussing politics in and around the BBS scene over the years, but this sums up my current stance pretty well. I find it all so exhausting, and furthermore, so, soooo boring. You can go anywhere else on the Internet - literally almost anywhere else - if you want to band together with your peers to shit on "the other" or just get into a bunch of heated arguments if thats your thing (or you actually somehow think you'll change anyone's mind.) Myself, I'd prefer areas/echos that aren't dedicated to that type of thing to feel like a bit more of an escape from it rather than have it constantly cropping up *everywhere*.

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on 16 Oct 2025, hollowone said...

Metalhead, I'm Polish, greetings from Cyprus where I'm sitting right now! But I enjoyed how Seahawks won over Jaguars last Sunday!

Hey, it's all about the Mariners right now, buddy!

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on 17 Oct 2025, hollowone said...

I'd love to see this whole thread moved to "DOVE/Debate" and see MRO joining :)

Ha!!!

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on 18 Oct 2025, hollowone said...

But we're fragile on politics.. we fucking don't care normally unless somebody pushes to talk about it. then fight continues on all
frequencies, regardless of the circuit's logic.

That kind of sums it up. I actually enjoy talking about politics, or at least I used to before things were so insanely divisive as they are today. I used to try to post on here about interesting political news and/or about political aspects of more relevant topics, but I used to go out of my way to keep the tone fairly neutral to not step on anyone's toes too much when doing so. This is just good, old fashioned netiquette. Not just etiquette, but social etiquette in general - you're likely going to have a hard time if you're always being a loud asshole about your politics in real life, even if you're surrounded by people you have reasons to assume share your beliefs.

Anyway, I think this was... eh, semi-successful, but sooner or later someone would always barge into the thread and post something inflammatory that would turn the entire discussion much more tense, if not into an all out flame war. After years of having MRO and Digital Avatar trolling and flaming every other person who dared post something around here, I'm strongly opposed to the network devolving back into a place that feels hostile to posters (even if some of those crazy fights were admittedly probably pretty damn entertaining reads... ;))

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You're probably right. The Republican party sucks.

They both do. We need a new system, but the people who profit from the
old system aren't going to vote for a change.

Yes, the whole system sucks. Too many people are in charge. The founding fathers didn't want us to live in a kingdom, so they gave us reps and senators, but they were overthinking it.

I think of the 90-something year olds in Congress and wonder if it's really worth it to spend your life accumulating more wealth then you
need, and trading time in the last year of your life doing so?

Right. These people seem to get off on controlling other people. Representing their constituents is a joke. It's all about the perks, being in the spotlight, having people asking for things, etc. How great is life when you have the Egyptian government begging for a little information?

I'd think politicians could have retired and hung out with grandkids at the county fair, but maybe that's not how they're wired.

Exactly. And family is the most important thing to normal people. I obsess over my hobby, but I don't let it keep me away from my family. Congress members spend decades in Washington DC and accomplishing nothing, other than enriching themselves.

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Trust me I'm Polish, I've got some expertise to share.

Me too! Do you know how to make pagach?

Oh man.. I see you're posting on jP's site, so all I can suggest is to respect hospitality as you joined the core. As much as I like you, I
think I'd like you to discover 20-4-BEERS only for the sake of seeing local "America 2.0" and DOVENet being available.

I do, and JP has been telling me since for like 15 years to not talk about politics on Zeronet. It's similar to how I ask people not to wear shoes in my house, but sometimes they do it anyway. I can't say I'll never do it again but I will try harder to refrain from it.

think I'd like you to discover 20-4-BEERS only for the sake of seeing

I visit there too sometimes but I think I annoyed Paulie a couple times too!

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That's a good point but I'm just strongly opposed to people using evil
to enrich themselves. Like if some Democrat judge pulls Ghislaine

Timeout - that's precisely what Charlie Kirk did his entire career.

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not into an all out flame war. After years of having MRO and Digital Avatar trolling and flaming every other person who dared post something around here, I'm strongly opposed to the network devolving back into a place that feels hostile to posters (even if some of those crazy fights were admittedly probably pretty damn entertaining reads... ;))

Did you have MRO here in 0-NET? wow...

I find it relaxing now with MRO as I trolled back to the level that he basically put me onto his IGNORE list.
I consider it as quite of an achievement as he's passionate to abuse and bully without limit.

Anyway. I find two topics that divide people very much today. Politics and AI. as I've got used to all the extreme left/right polarization in societies and usually am successful to avoid being part of that unless 100% sure of the quality of argument and appropriate location/company to even consider.

AI takes me way often by surprise as I'm passionate about tech and AI is just another tech to digest and learn as a tool to me. hate/love relationship to AI is sometimes so ridiculous that I can't even measure the level of absurd accurately.

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jack phlash wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I've been all over the place in my opinions about discussing politics
in and around the BBS scene over the years, but this sums up my current stance pretty well. I find it all so exhausting, and furthermore, so, soooo boring. You can go anywhere else on the Internet - literally
almost anywhere else - if you want to band together with your peers to shit on "the other" or just get into a bunch of heated arguments if
thats your thing (or you actually somehow think you'll change anyone's mind.) Myself, I'd prefer areas/echos that aren't dedicated to that
type of thing to feel like a bit more of an escape from it rather than have it constantly cropping up *everywhere*.

Exactly. I don't want to avoid political discussions on the BBS, just
not to have them on the music echo! Let those who want to read them do
so, and the rest can unsub from the politics echo and go on with their
day.

More often than not, some dillhole will claim that by asking them to
move their conversation to a more appropriate echo, that we're censoring
them, or "trampling on their 1st amendment rights".





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I find it relaxing now with MRO as I trolled back to the level that he basically put me onto his IGNORE list.
I consider it as quite of an achievement as he's passionate to abuse
and bully without limit.

I also consider this quite an admirable achievement! Hats off to you, sir.

Anyway. I find two topics that divide people very much today. Politics and AI.

Shall we discuss the prospect of the first elected AI politician???!?!!? :P

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on 18 Oct 2025, metalhead said...

I do, and JP has been telling me since for like 15 years to not talk
about politics on Zeronet. It's similar to how I ask people not to wear shoes in my house, but sometimes they do it anyway. I can't say I'll
never do it again but I will try harder to refrain from it.

*high five*

I mean, it's hard for it not to come up EVER - it's a big part of our lives, even people who do not follow it closely will sometimes get triggered by some event and want to vent about it or discuss it.

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on 19 Oct 2025, hollowone said...

Did you have MRO here in 0-NET? wow...

I find it relaxing now with MRO as I trolled back to the level that he basically put me onto his IGNORE list.
I consider it as quite of an achievement as he's passionate to abuse and bully without limit.

Sure did. Story time!

MrOblivious1bmf aka Jas Hud was a fairly early member of the network and believe it or not, was actually a very helpful contributor for a long time - helping SysOps with various setup and other issues, etc. as well as documenting some setup stuff. There was even a time I thought about asking him to help me run things officially, but then he'd usually post something that made me reconsider. He always had kind of a blunt, rude nature, but it was rarely way over the line (although admittedly, my line was probably in a different place than it is now...)

At some point he turned that up a notch and started trolling more and more, as did legendary Digital Avatar. I think they were basically just bored, as I wasn't around as much to stir conversation or police things, and traffic was even more feast or famine than it is these days. At the time I took the approach of mostly ignoring them, but the downside to that was that the occasional shitty post turned into them kind of setting the tone of the entire network, and trolly bullshit and attacks became kind of endemic - a lot of old timers ignored their threads entirely, but still many didn't feel like posting new topics knowing that they'd probably have to deal with their dumb replies, and almost newbies who posted wanting to chat got chased off. In other words, I believe they actively hurt the health of the network. I think we also started to develop a reputation for being a pretty unfriendly place filled with shitposts and flame wars. :/

It was really in the last 10 years or so that he really started posting legitimately fucked up shit on a regular basis. They both started posting a lot more about politics, but MrO was on a whole different level with the shit he'd say. I and a few others took a new approach - calling him a fucking idiot every time he'd post something that was fucking idiotic. To his credit, I think he always semi-respected me since he knew this was "my house" and we'd known each other for so long, but I think that approach took a lot of the fun out of it for him, and now he only occasionally swings by to make a random post.

Digital Avatar on the other hand disappeared sometime during the COVID years - not sure if he just decided to stop BBSing entirely or what. I always had a kind of begrudging respect for his intelligence and talent as a true old school troll, even if I couldn't stand the almost constant negativity he brought with him.

Anyway. I find two topics that divide people very much today. Politics
and AI. as I've got used to all the extreme left/right polarization in societies and usually am successful to avoid being part of that unless 100% sure of the quality of argument and appropriate location/company to even consider.

It's funny, it used to be politics and religion. :P I tend to take the same approach re: polarizing politics. I only have a couple of friends who are that polarized about AI though - for the time being, it's a much grayer topic amongst most of my friends and coworkers.

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That's a good point but I'm just strongly opposed to people using evil to enrich themselves. Like if some Democrat judge pulls Ghislaine

Timeout - that's precisely what Charlie Kirk did his entire career.

I don't see it, but I only started watching his videos in the past few years. What evil things did he do?

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I don't see it, but I only started watching his videos in the past few years. What evil things did he do?

If you watch more of his vids you'll see some pretty nasty stuff. I'd rather not google it myself and get all pissed off about the stuff he was saying lol.


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I don't see it, but I only started watching his videos in the past few years. What evil things did he do?

If you watch more of his vids you'll see some pretty nasty stuff. I'd rather not google it myself and get all pissed off about the stuff he
was saying lol.

yeah, i don't think it was a serious question, just low effort baitin'

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AI takes me way often by surprise as I'm passionate about tech and AI is just another tech to digest and learn as a tool to me. hate/love relationship to AI is sometimes so ridiculous that I can't even measure the level of absurd accurately.

i've got some friends that are extremely opposed to AI in any fashion. they don't understand the difference between various concepts within AI vs the suddenly popular LLM. they just hear AI and immediately their eyes glaze over and they just turn immediately dismissive.

i don't work in AI, i'm a classic software systems engineer. i don't actually care what the average person thinks about it, but for those who i consider friends/family/whatever -- if it comes up in conversation i try to explain the tool viewpoint and then dumb it down to equating it to a hammer. you don't want to be the guy who is so opposed to change that you refuse to use a hammer when it's appropriate.

it's probably not even 50/50 that they consider/think about it after. hehe

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jinkusu wrote to hollowone <=-

AI takes me way often by surprise as I'm passionate about tech and AI is just another tech to digest and learn as a tool to me. hate/love relationship to AI is sometimes so ridiculous that I can't even measure the level of absurd accurately.

I'm concerned about LLMs as a business model, the amount of compute
needed is crazy. I think a scaled down local LLM that could use local
compute and local data would be perfect - like a cell phone.


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on 22 Oct 2025, jinkusu said...

yeah, i don't think it was a serious question, just low effort baitin'

I don't know, if you watch something with your eyes closed, you're never going to see the obvious.

This is one of the issues with extremely divisive politics - you get to the point where very few people sit in the gray or otherwise allow themselves to have their minds changes, and instead, everyone is entrenched in their beliefs. It makes discourse a lot harder because you're not just discussing the nuances of a topic, but ultimately debating people's views, belief, morals, ideals, etc. which make even more disagreements an instant stalemate. This is also why just about every even vaguely political discussion is so damn inflammatory these days. It sucks.

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I'm concerned about LLMs as a business model, the amount of compute

needed is crazy. I think a scaled down local LLM that could use local

compute and local data would be perfect - like a cell phone.

This is what my company builds - edge AI tools. It's a really
underrepresented market. I agree that a lot of these big LLM companies are going to fail when the VC money dries up, but I don't think we'll see the end of LLMs, so the only place they can realistically go is local/edge hardware.

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Sure did. Story time!

Lot of good points connected after reading you. All that start making more sense, especially when I see all nicks you mentioned talking to each other.

I have one more nickname to decipher then, so called 'gamgee'.

this dude is very passionate to argue with Mr0 and Jas Hud. Sounds like they know each other long time. Is he part of the same story?

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on 22 Oct 2025, hollowone said...

I have one more nickname to decipher then, so called 'gamgee'.

this dude is very passionate to argue with Mr0 and Jas Hud. Sounds like they know each other long time. Is he part of the same story?

I've seen him around (I recall him posting a lot on Scinet back in the day) but I don't think he's ever really been on Zer0net, unless it was under a different handle. Sounds like a cool guy, though! ;)

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On Wed Oct 22 07:59:00 2025, jack phlash wrote to jinkusu <=-

This is one of the issues with extremely divisive politics - you get to the point where very few people sit in the gray or otherwise allow themselves to have their minds changes, and instead, everyone is entrenched in their beliefs. It makes discourse a lot harder because you're not just discussing the nuances of a topic, but ultimately debating people's views, belief, morals, ideals, etc. which make even more disagreements an instant stalemate. This is also why just about every even vaguely political discussion is so damn inflammatory these days. It sucks.

One thing that annoys me so much about politic talk these days is it's never about policy topics, rather "the left" thinks this or "the right" thinks this. It's ok to have a range of topics that align differently.

It's like politics has become a football game, with two sides and if your not on my team your an enemy. There's no room to say the other team kicked an impressive goal, or congratulate each side for good play, you just have to boo.

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on 22 Oct 2025, apam said...

One thing that annoys me so much about politic talk these days is it's never about policy topics, rather "the left" thinks this or "the right" thinks this. It's ok to have a range of topics that align differently.

Definitely! That's also always been kind of a funny observation when it comes to US politics since neither party cleanly and completely aligns with any traditional ideology when it comes to the details of their policies. This mostly comes down to decades of politicizing "wedge issues" - god forbid both parties actually agree on something, no matter how sensible it might be. :P

It's like politics has become a football game, with two sides and if
your not on my team your an enemy. There's no room to say the other team kicked an impressive goal, or congratulate each side for good play, you just have to boo.

Very true, and what little decorum there used to be has pretty much been tossed out the window.

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I've seen him around (I recall him posting a lot on Scinet back in the day) but I don't think he's ever really been on Zer0net, unless it was under a different handle. Sounds like a cool guy, though! ;)

He is unless involved in respnding to MRo/JasHud or Hustler's (whom I haven't seen online for a while tho). Then flame wars are mutual.

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