I'm... sort of a day late, but wanted to say happy Thanksgiving to all of our US based readers. I say "sort of" because a lot of us (not me) are off on Black Friday too, so you're likely still celebrating. ;) Anyway, hope you had a decent day off work and/or some good food, time with family, etc.

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I'm... sort of a day late, but wanted to say happy Thanksgiving to all
of our US based readers. I say "sort of" because a lot of us (not me)
are off on Black Friday too, so you're likely still celebrating. ;) Anyway, hope you had a decent day off work and/or some good food, time with family, etc.

Thanks, jP!

My eldest son came out to visit, and while he said he wanted to go out to work with me today, we find ourselves playing Xbox and computering...

I asked him 'What is Linux' yesterday and he had no idea - so we're about to get him to install his first distro today from scratch; maybe I'll fire him up to use something other than macOS/Windows.

Hope everyone found or is finding themselves surrounded by friends, family and smiles! Happy Thanksgiving!



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Hi Jack,
In a message to All you wrote:

I'm... sort of a day late, but wanted to say happy Thanksgiving to
all of our US based readers. I say "sort of" because a lot of us (not

We celebrate thanksgiving on the US date "sort of" we had people over
yesterday as I am off work friday and saturday. My birthday falls on
our thankgiving so years ago we switched.

Son and his SO are still here passed out in the spare room, FIL's dog is
still so full of turkey she let me rub her giant belly this morning but
she still had to be bribed to go outside. LOL

Meal turned out great just a little bit of leftovers we'll go through
today and enough bones and scrap for a good pot of soup after that. :)

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Tiny wrote to Jack Phlash <=-

We celebrate thanksgiving on the US date "sort of" we had people over yesterday as I am off work friday and saturday. My birthday falls on
our thankgiving so years ago we switched.

It's been a busy holiday. It's the first Thanksgiving without my mom,
and she was always the center point of the holidays. My son was at his
mom's house, so it was just my daughter and my wife - they're
vegetarian, and my wife accidentally ordered a premade thanksgiving
dinner with a 9 pound turkey instead of the turkey breast, so I need to
find some leftover ideas.

The Christmas trees came out yesterday, and we've been dusting, moving
furniture around and decorating trees.

Yesterday was the day of my birthday present from my wife - a class making
croissants with my daughter at a local cooking store. Plain croissants,
pain au chocolat, and open-face artichoke and leek croissants with
asiago cheese. Delicious!







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Hi Poindexter,
On <Sun, 29 Nov 25>, you wrote me:

vegetarian, and my wife accidentally ordered a premade thanksgiving
dinner with a 9 pound turkey instead of the turkey breast, so I need
find some leftover ideas.

You can always freeze some of the meat.

The Christmas trees came out yesterday, and we've been dusting,
furniture around and decorating trees.

We don't bother with one anymore, kids are all grown and moved away.
I am working a 12 hour day on dec 25'th, so won't be in a good mood anyway.

pain au chocolat, and open-face artichoke and leek croissants with
asiago cheese. Delicious!

Sounds good!

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on 28 Nov 2025, paulie420 said...

My eldest son came out to visit, and while he said he wanted to go out
to work with me today, we find ourselves playing Xbox and computering...

I asked him 'What is Linux' yesterday and he had no idea - so we're
about to get him to install his first distro today from scratch; maybe I'll fire him up to use something other than macOS/Windows.

Hope everyone found or is finding themselves surrounded by friends,
family and smiles! Happy Thanksgiving!

WTF?! That sounds like an awesome Thanksgiving, dude!

Which distro did you start him with, Arch or Gentoo? ;)

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on 29 Nov 2025, Tiny said...

We celebrate thanksgiving on the US date "sort of" we had people over yesterday as I am off work friday and saturday. My birthday falls on
our thankgiving so years ago we switched.

Son and his SO are still here passed out in the spare room, FIL's dog is still so full of turkey she let me rub her giant belly this morning but she still had to be bribed to go outside. LOL

Meal turned out great just a little bit of leftovers we'll go through today and enough bones and scrap for a good pot of soup after that. :)

Nice! We (well, mostly my girlfriend) decided to decline the usual family get-togethers and just make a nice big feast for ourselves and otherwise veg out, which turned out great. It almost felt like a 5 day weekend because Wednesday and Friday at work were so chill (which is unusual at my job, but the specific project I'm working on requires a lot of heads down time on top of the quietness of the holiday.) Of course, back to work on Monday and a bunch of real-life stressors stacking up, and I already hate my life again, but at least I had a temporary reprieve.

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on 29 Nov 2025, poindexter FORTRAN said...

It's been a busy holiday. It's the first Thanksgiving without my mom,
and she was always the center point of the holidays.

Oof. Sorry man. That has got to be hard. :/

vegetarian, and my wife accidentally ordered a premade thanksgiving
dinner with a 9 pound turkey instead of the turkey breast, so I need to
find some leftover ideas.

Whoops! Happy accidents. I mean, pretty much every American I know bakes days of munching on leftovers into their Thanksgiving tradition - you guys just turned it up to 11 this year. ;)

The Christmas trees came out yesterday, and we've been dusting, moving
furniture around and decorating trees.

Oh yeah, we did that too - braved the city on Friday evening and got a nice Christmas tree. Thankfully there's a reliable place within 5 minutes or so of my house. That said, we haven't had enough overlapping spare time to actually decorate it outside of putting lights on it. :|

Yesterday was the day of my birthday present from my wife - a class making croissants with my daughter at a local cooking store. Plain croissants, pain au chocolat, and open-face artichoke and leek
croissants with asiago cheese. Delicious!

Man, I need to learn how to make croissants. I've taken a few different little cooking classes like that, and, honestly, I never really use the knowledge gained in them, but they're always fun and educational regardless.

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WTF?! That sounds like an awesome Thanksgiving, dude!

Which distro did you start him with, Arch or Gentoo? ;)

LOL - We went w/ Linux Mint as the laptop I was able to gift him was a VERY long in the tooth 4GB RAM Intel Celeron BEAST... However, he's testing the Xfce version now to see if he can live with it rather than the heavier Cinnamon joint. :P



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Hi Jack,
On <Wed, 02 Dec 25>, you wrote me:

Nice! We (well, mostly my girlfriend) decided to decline the usual
family get-togethers and just make a nice big feast for ourselves and otherwise veg out, which turned out great. It almost felt like a 5

Nothing wrong with that al all man!

Of course, back to work on Monday and a bunch of real-life

stressors stacking up, and I already hate my life again, but at least
I had a temporary reprieve.

LOL. Doesn't take long does it? I really need a day off, but who can
afford it?

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on 03 Dec 2025, Tiny said...

LOL. Doesn't take long does it?

Right?! It really depends for me. I mean, usually it helps, at least a little, but right now I'm so miserable at work that it was practically like flipping a switch - jumped right back into the fire! :)

I really need a day off, but who can afford it?

Ha! It's funny, my coworkers absolutely abuse the hell out of our "sick time" - there are some people on my team who call in what seems like practically every week. I'm still not sure if this is a company culture thing (wouldn't surprise me, as my company definitely has a very odd, old school culture) or just my greater team/org or whatever. Me though? I'm always like "fuck, if I take a day off then that's one less day in my sprint to get shit done, and I'm already underwater!" :/

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Ha! It's funny, my coworkers absolutely abuse the hell out of our "sick time" - there are some people on my team who call in what seems like practically every week. I'm still not sure if this is a company culture thing (wouldn't surprise me, as my company definitely has a very odd,
old school culture) or just my greater team/org or whatever. Me though? I'm always like "fuck, if I take a day off then that's one less day in
my sprint to get shit done, and I'm already underwater!" :/

One day, we'll be retired. One day.... Just wish we didn't have to age to get there.

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jack phlash wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Man, I need to learn how to make croissants. I've taken a few different little cooking classes like that, and, honestly, I never really use the knowledge gained in them, but they're always fun and educational regardless.

Knife handling and safety class - use that every day.

Pasta making class - easier to buy fresh pasta unless you're in a villa in Italy in a pasta-making class.

Croissant making - yeah, unless I buy a Kitchenaid blender, I'll buy
them from a bakery.

I've taken the classes (with the exception of the knife class) with my
kids as experiences, and that makes it worth it.



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jack phlash wrote to Tiny <=-

on 29 Nov 2025, Tiny said...

otherwise veg out, which turned out great. It almost felt like a 5 day weekend because Wednesday and Friday at work were so chill (which is unusual at my job, but the specific project I'm working on requires a
lot of heads down time on top of the quietness of the holiday.)

We work too hard here - I'm finishing up a year-and-a half long
project, and during the course of the project we had to essentially
take off the month of August for the Paris team to take their
vacations, then were shut down for Diwali while the outsourced team
(who we're paying millions of dollars to) were out of the office.

I think we should take 2 weeks off around the holidays. My wife gets
that at her job... :)




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paulie420 wrote to jack phlash <=-

LOL - We went w/ Linux Mint as the laptop I was able to gift him was a VERY long in the tooth 4GB RAM Intel Celeron BEAST... However, he's testing the Xfce version now to see if he can live with it rather than
the heavier Cinnamon joint. :P

I ran Lubuntu for years on a single-core IBM Thinkpad T43 with 2 GB of
RAM for years. Was great at most everything except full-screen YouTube.

I later moved to Xubuntu, it ran nicely too. I still use Xubuntu when I
need to spin up a laptop, regardless of resources.



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niter3 wrote to jack phlash <=-

I'm always like "fuck, if I take a day off then that's one less day in
my sprint to get shit done, and I'm already underwater!" :/

One day, we'll be retired. One day.... Just wish we didn't have to age
to get there.

I'm at the point where I no longer accrue vacation time. It's time to
start taking Fridays off!



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I ran Lubuntu for years on a single-core IBM Thinkpad T43 with 2 GB of
RAM for years. Was great at most everything except full-screen YouTube.

I later moved to Xubuntu, it ran nicely too. I still use Xubuntu when I need to spin up a laptop, regardless of resources.

I also use Lubuntu when needed... I don't think I've spun up Xubuntu, tho. X11???



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Hey paulie420!

On Thu, 04 Dec 2025 19:47:34 -0800, you wrote:

I also use Lubuntu when needed... I don't think I've spun up Xubuntu,
tho. X11???

Lubuntu = LXDE desktop environment
Xubuntu = XFCE desktop environment
Kubuntu = KDE desktop environment

I'd imagine there's a whole bunch more these days, too.

Regards,
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paulie420 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I also use Lubuntu when needed... I don't think I've spun up Xubuntu,
tho. X11???

xfce window manager.


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Lubuntu = LXDE desktop environment
Xubuntu = XFCE desktop environment
Kubuntu = KDE desktop environment

Ahhhh - right. So I use Xubuntu for all my low end machines... but I guess LXDE is a bit LIGHTER than it, even...

I ran Kubuntu as my main for a long time - before I found Arch. :P



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Hey paulie420!

On Fri, 05 Dec 2025 19:15:14 -0800, you wrote:

Lubuntu = LXDE desktop environment
Xubuntu = XFCE desktop environment
Kubuntu = KDE desktop environment

Ahhhh - right. So I use Xubuntu for all my low end machines... but I
guess LXDE is a bit LIGHTER than it, even...

Yeah. Probably one of the lighter of the "desktop environments" before you end up with just a "window manager" on top of X or wayland.

I ran Kubuntu as my main for a long time - before I found Arch. :P

For the record, I'm fairly certain LXDE installs just fine on Arch, and is probably even lighter than Lubuntu. You can call it "Larch", if you want to. :D

Regards,
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For the record, I'm fairly certain LXDE installs just fine on Arch, and
is probably even lighter than Lubuntu. You can call it "Larch", if you want to. :D

LOLz - all my laptops, even the Thinkpads, can handle a bit m0re - but maybe I could have looked @ LXDE for that Intel Celeron laptop i just setup for my kid....

Meh.



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Accession wrote to paulie420 <=-

Lubuntu = LXDE desktop environment
Xubuntu = XFCE desktop environment
Kubuntu = KDE desktop environment

I'd imagine there's a whole bunch more these days, too.

There's a MATE window environment version, a chinese character
set-focused version, educational version and a studio version.

I listen to the 2.5 admins podcast and Linux Matters podcast and one of
the 'casters has been a longtime KDE fan. I should fire up a Kubuntu VM
and play with it...



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Accession wrote to paulie420 <=-

For the record, I'm fairly certain LXDE installs just fine on Arch, and
is probably even lighter than Lubuntu. You can call it "Larch", if you want to.

Any Monty Python fans here?

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