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  • Physical Media: CD vs Vinyl

    From MaxxDamage@911:1423/0 to All on Fri Jan 30 06:39:31 2026
    Eddie Trunk did a call in show on this on SiriusXM. I've lived though vinyl, 8-Track, cassette, CDs, and now digital. I was happy to leave vinyl behind and go to CD. I will never go back to vinyl.

    I've seen all the arguments on sound and none of it is true. It all boils down to preference. Of course, some one who spent tens of thousands of dollars on a vinyl setup is going to say vinyl sounds better or else they've wasted a ton of money. A lot of the reasons people give for loving vinyl aren't sound related. It's mostly the experiences related to the physical
    aspects of the larger format.

    I have over 2000 CDs so that should tell you which side I come in on.

    |11Maxx|03Damage

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  • From jack phlash@911:1423/0 to MaxxDamage on Fri Jan 30 08:53:36 2026
    on 30 Jan 2026, MaxxDamage said...

    I've seen all the arguments on sound and none of it is true. It all
    boils down to preference. Of course, some one who spent tens of
    thousands of dollars on a vinyl setup is going to say vinyl sounds
    better or else they've wasted a ton of money. A lot of the reasons
    people give for loving vinyl aren't sound related. It's mostly the experiences related to the physical aspects of the larger format.

    My personal opinion aligns with yours re: it being about the format more than sound. Like I said before, my move to vinyl was a product of downsizing and moving on from CDs (which even for the longest time before then, I'd just rip and mostly listen to in MP3) so when I *did* go back to physical, vinyl felt more fun to collect, and listening to it felt much more intentional, almost like a ritual or something. :P

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@911:1415/0 to MaxxDamage on Sat Jan 31 08:35:50 2026
    MaxxDamage wrote to All <=-

    I've seen all the arguments on sound and none of it is true. It all
    boils down to preference. Of course, some one who spent tens of
    thousands of dollars on a vinyl setup is going to say vinyl sounds
    better or else they've wasted a ton of money. A lot of the reasons
    people give for loving vinyl aren't sound related. It's mostly the experiences related to the physical aspects of the larger format.

    In 1991, I bought a cheap home stereo system with a turntable, and that
    started my vinyl phase - mostly because San Francisco had many used
    record stores, and I could splurge on fairly recent vinyl for $1-$2.

    I didn't really care about the sound until the loudness wars of the
    early 2000s. I'd buy a CD to replace a record I had, and when comparing
    the "remastered" edition, it'd sound like crap, meant to be played
    through tiny (and tinny) earbuds.



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  • From Plague@911:1919/0 to Maxxdamage on Fri Jan 30 20:54:53 2026
    On Fri 30-Jan-2026 6:39a, |11Maxxdamage|03 ranted to |11ALL|08:|03

    |10ME|08>|02 I've seen all the arguments on sound and none of it is true. It all boils|03
    |10ME|08>|02 down to preference. Of course, some one who spent tens of thousands of|03
    |10ME|08>|02 dollars on a vinyl setup is going to say vinyl sounds better or else|03
    |10ME|08>|02 they've wasted a ton of money. A lot of the reasons people give for loving|03
    |10ME|08>|02 vinyl aren't sound related. It's mostly the experiences related to the|03
    |10ME|08>|02 physical aspects of the larger format.|03

    I partially agree with you there... it's hard to argue about vinyl
    sounding better when all my favorite albums were recorded in like a
    telephone booth during a snowstorm!

    That being said, the biggest life upgrade I gave myself was building the Stereomour II integrated amp and and the Eros 2 phono preamp kits from https://bottlehead.com. HOLY HELL they sound nice! I have them connected
    to Klipsch speakers and a sub... absolutely epic!

    Yes, you're totally right: I love the larger format of records, where I
    can read liner notes and inserts the size of a mini poster... and it's
    relaxing to just sit back and plop a record on and enjoy it for 45 mins.

    What I also love is the act of digging through bins in record stores,
    picking through their entire inventory, just for the possibility of
    finding some cool gem. That dopamine hit hits hard!

    Plus... they're fucking cool! I love that colored vinyl has come along
    such a long way and there's
    splatter/marble/translucent/picturedisc/liquid filled/weirdly shaped
    chaos... gotta collect 'em all!

    Also, another really cool thing about metal/punk is how international it
    is. Reaching out to record stores in Finland to see if they have a
    Havukruunu 7" or digging through bins at the top of an insurmountable
    hill to find weird garage bands in the Sodermalm district of
    Stockholm... finding cool French Oi! bands writing weirdly catchy riffs,
    or finding a new NWOBHM band from Barcelona and tracking down their
    one available translucent 7" in a small shop in Eugene, OR... man that's
    the stuff of LIFE!

    I just never felt that way about CDs...


    |10Plague

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  • From cat@911:1919/0 to Plague on Sun Feb 1 01:37:33 2026
    On Fri 30-Jan-2026 20:54, |11Plague|03 yelled to |11Maxxdamage|08:|03

    |10PE|08>|02 I just never felt that way about CDs...|03

    comments like this are the Rosetta Stone for media/genre arguments; it
    all comes down to a person. we all experience things differently, be it physically (our proximity to the sound source, listening environment), physiologically (ie. the way our brain interprets the physical sound
    waves) & psychologically (what mood we're in when we hear it, what
    memories or similar we have attached to it, etc.)

    the "vinyl sounds better/CDs sound better" argument is so subjective
    it's not resolvable, I can never hear what you hear & you can never hear
    what I hear because the hearing isn't the only thing that matters.

    my music collection is a hodge-podge of media; vinyl, tape, CD,
    minidisc, digital - none sounds "best", what I look for is what sounds
    correct for the content.

    I listen to old music on vinyl because that's how it came to me, I
    listen to dungeon synth & black metal on tape because the motor/tape
    noise makes each listening a different experience.

    & sometimes I change medium to experience an album differently, my
    favorite Cure album is Entreat, the CD is wonderful but hearing it on
    tape made the whole experience more intimate.

    I agree with the idea of intentionality but the idea that vinyl feels intentional while CDs don't seems a little silly or maybe short sighted
    to me, again for the same reasons as above, the ritual is as subjective
    as the experience.

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  • From MaxxDamage@911:1423/0 to Plague on Sun Feb 1 08:04:58 2026
    That being said, the biggest life upgrade I gave myself was building the Stereomour II integrated amp and and the Eros 2 phono preamp kits from https://bottlehead.com. HOLY HELL they sound nice! I have them connected to Klipsch speakers and a sub... absolutely epic!

    I recently put together what will be my last stereo system. I bought a Fosi Audio ZA3 Balanced Stereo Amplifier, a WiiM Ultra Music Streamer\Digital Preamp, a pair of MartinLogan Motion XT B100 Bookshelf speakers and a MartinLogan Dynamo Foundation 10 powered subwoofer. All of my CDs are ripped as
    flac files onto my NAS and streamed to my WiiM.

    Now I have tons of hirez audio at my fingertips.

    I had never heard of MartinLogan until I went looking for speakers. I'm glad I found them.

    https://www.martinlogan.com/en/

    |11Maxx|03Damage

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  • From MaxxDamage@911:1423/0 to cat on Sun Feb 1 08:18:28 2026
    the "vinyl sounds better/CDs sound better" argument is so subjective
    it's not resolvable, I can never hear what you hear & you can never hear what I hear because the hearing isn't the only thing that matters.

    Everyone's hearing is better than mine. I spent 20 years in the Air Force as an aircraft mechanic, standing right next to a fighter jet. Sure, I wore hearing protection but not all the time. Not to mention years of going to metal concerts.

    |11Maxx|03Damage

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@911:1415/0 to cat on Sun Feb 1 09:32:28 2026
    cat wrote to Plague <=-

    my music collection is a hodge-podge of media; vinyl, tape, CD,
    minidisc, digital - none sounds "best", what I look for is what sounds correct for the content.

    I have Paul Weller's debut CD. Between two of the songs after the music
    fades out, you hear some crackling and the sound of a needle hitting the
    end of the record, then the sound of a dust cover being lifted, the
    needle lifting off the record, then going back onto the record and the
    needle being placed on "side 2".

    Back then, I was recording a lot of cassettes for my car - thought I'd
    done a pretty crappy job of switching sides. Then realized it was a
    storebought CD and a pretty funny inside joke!



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@911:1415/0 to MaxxDamage on Mon Feb 2 15:31:32 2026
    MaxxDamage wrote to Plague <=-


    speakers and a MartinLogan Dynamo Foundation 10 powered subwoofer. All
    of my CDs are ripped as flac files onto my NAS and streamed to my WiiM.

    I'm trying to get my wife to rip her hundreds of CDs. She could just put them into iTunes and rip them while she listens to them -- and we already have a media server that'll play them.

    She was excited to learn that hipsters have discovered her favorite piece of tech -- the 5 disk CD changer...



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@911:1415/0 to MaxxDamage on Mon Feb 2 15:31:32 2026
    MaxxDamage wrote to cat <=-

    Everyone's hearing is better than mine. I spent 20 years in the Air
    Force as an aircraft mechanic, standing right next to a fighter jet.
    Sure, I wore hearing protection but not all the time. Not to mention
    years of going to metal concerts.

    Kids never listen to their parents, but thankfully, the one piece of advice
    my son took is to wear hearing protection at concerts. Loop makes a great
    line of earplugs for a variety of environments and he likes them. I got
    the less extreme models for quiet focus and love them.

    I have other reasons for limiting my concert going -- I'm getting too old
    to be standing in GA for hours! I went to a show recently and needed Advil
    the next morning to get moving!



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  • From Plague@911:1919/0 to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Feb 2 22:09:48 2026
    On Mon 2-Feb-2026 3:31p, |11Poindexter Fortran|03 rhapsodized to |11Maxxdamage|08:|03

    |10PF|08>|02 I have other reasons for limiting my concert going -- I'm getting too old |03
    |10PF|08>|02 to be standing in GA for hours! I went to a show recently and needed Advil|03
    |10PF|08>|02 the next morning to get moving!|03

    I feel like getting brutalized in GA is the ultimate form of
    chiropractics haha! I always leave shows with my spine feeling great! My
    big issue is that I'm tall which means every steel toed doc martin from
    every crowd surfer is magnetized to the back of my cranium. Gets
    annoying fast!

    Total agreement with the earplugs -- I didn't wear them when I was
    younger and I have no clue what I was thinking. Such an idiot! My
    Mother-in-Law used to be an audiologist and one day she made me a pair
    of really nice earplugs so I've been using them ever since and they're absolutely amazing. You still feel all the power in your chest from the
    bass drum but the volume is just turned down a bit. Last time I saw
    Motorhead, I forgot my pair and had to retreat to the back of the club I
    was in so much pain... and now I can't see Motorhead anymore! Sadness...


    |10Plague

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@911:1415/0 to Plague on Wed Feb 4 15:13:37 2026
    Plague wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    I feel like getting brutalized in GA is the ultimate form of
    chiropractics haha! I always leave shows with my spine feeling great!
    My big issue is that I'm tall which means every steel toed doc martin
    from every crowd surfer is magnetized to the back of my cranium. Gets annoying fast!

    I was up near the stage for a Strapping Young Lad concert in 2001 or so. Got some great pictures of the opening band, then when SYL came on, a throng rushed to the stage. I suddenly realized I was in the mosh pit! I had to
    keep taking pictures with my elbows down to cover my ribs, but still got
    some good shots.

    That night, I'd forgotten my ID at home. The bouncer checking IDs yelled in
    my ear to see my ID - the opener had already started and it was almost impossible to hear, even in the lobby. I said "I left my ID at home, but
    it's Ok, I won't drink"

    As I walked into the club, I felt two large hands, like pot roasts, grab me
    by the shoulders and pull me back. He yelled into my ear "WHO PLAYED THE BEAVER!?"

    I yelled back, "JERRY MATHERS!"

    He stamped my wrist and said "NO 20-YEAR OLD WOULD KNOW THAT! ENJOY THE
    SHOW!"





    Total agreement with the earplugs -- I didn't wear them when I was
    younger and I have no clue what I was thinking. Such an idiot! My Mother-in-Law used to be an audiologist and one day she made me a pair
    of really nice earplugs so I've been using them ever since and they're absolutely amazing. You still feel all the power in your chest from the bass drum but the volume is just turned down a bit. Last time I saw Motorhead, I forgot my pair and had to retreat to the back of the club
    I was in so much pain... and now I can't see Motorhead anymore!
    Sadness...


    |10Plague

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  • From Plague@911:1919/0 to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Feb 4 20:26:01 2026
    On Wed 4-Feb-2026 3:13p, |11Poindexter Fortran|03 chirped to |11Plague|08:|03

    |10PF|08>|02 some great pictures of the opening band, then when SYL came on, a throng |03
    |10PF|08>|02 rushed to the stage. I suddenly realized I was in the mosh pit! |03

    As soon as I see a pit open up, I run towards it like I'm going to
    participate, circle halfway around until I'm in the front and then just
    stay there! Always gets me to like the 3rd row, and I figure it's more comfortable getting kicked/punched in the back then in the ribs/face so
    it's a win! Anyway, that's my concert cheatcode...

    Related story: last time Iron Maiden came to town, I won a lottery to
    get into the show an hour ahead of time so I could stand right at the
    barrier (It's through there fanclub and it's called "First to the
    Barrier" in case you're interested). It was absolutely surreal... but
    feeling the push of 20k people to your back smashing you against the
    security barrier is pretty intense at times... definitely felt like my
    eyeballs were going to pop out of my face a couple of times and I was
    going to pop some ribs! Totally worth it though and I plan on playing
    the lottery again this September haha

    |10PF|08>|02 by the shoulders and pull me back. He yelled into my ear "WHO PLAYED THE |03
    |10PF|08>|02 BEAVER!?"|03
    |10PF|08>|02 I yelled back, "JERRY MATHERS!"|03
    |10PF|08>|02 He stamped my wrist and said "NO 20-YEAR OLD WOULD KNOW THAT! ENJOY THE |03
    |10PF|08>|02 SHOW!"|03

    Absolutely classic story!! That's great! Like the old Leisure Suit Larry
    age verification! Love it!!


    |10Plague

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