• Your tax dollars at work

    From Digimaus@618:618/1 to All on Thursday, October 26, 2023 21:23:13
    From: https://tinyurl.com/muhbyn7s (theepochtimes.com)

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    Stranded Americans Say US Embassy Did Not Help Them in Israel When
    War Started

    By Dan M. Berger
    10/24/2023

    Quigg Lawrence, an Anglican bishop, and his wife Annette had the
    misfortune to fly into Israel on Oct. 7, the day Hamas began its
    horrible massacre of Israeli civilians. Planning to lead a church
    tour, arriving a day or two early to be ready for it, they spent the
    rest of that Saturday sorting things out and finally canceling the
    trip.

    Looking to their safety, they called the U.S. Embassy for guidance.
    They were appalled, they said, that when they asked for shelter,
    embassy personnel denied it. They didn't help the Lawrences arrange
    to leave the country and even refused to give them the embassy's
    address in Jerusalem, Bishop Lawrence told The Epoch Times.

    He is the suffragan bishop of the Anglican Diocese of Christ Our
    Hope, about 40 congregations in Virginia and North Carolina.

    When they finally managed to fly out of the country, he said, on one
    leg, they found themselves on a plane with 55 Ethiopian immigrants to
    America.

    "I'm pro-immigrant, but it's ironic that U.S. citizens couldn't get
    our government to lift a finger, let alone talk to us, while refugees
    on a paid flight are coming from Ethiopia," he said.

    He didn't expect this treatment from the embassy, he said. "I've
    traveled all over the world as a pastor and bishop," amassing many
    frequent flier miles. "I've watched too many movies. You run to the
    embassy, they open the doors, and you're safe."

    The State Department did not respond to a request for comment from
    The Epoch Times.

    The Lawrences said they spoke with U.S. Rep. Morgan Griffith (R-Va.),
    who represents their Roanoke district, and told them he had heard of
    other such complaints. Mr. Griffith responded to The Epoch Times in
    an email:

    "I am so thankful Bishop Lawrence and his wife were able to safely
    get out of Israel. Before and after my conversation with Bishop
    Lawrence, I have heard from a number of my colleagues about other
    situations where the State Department was not helpful," Mr. Griffith
    said.

    The Lawrences were preparing to lead a tour of more than 30 people
    from four countries and eight states, including an Anglican
    archbishop from Rwanda and a retired one from Nigeria.

    They flew into Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport on Air France, landing
    around 11 a.m. local time, a few hours after the Hamas attack began.
    Their flight didn't have wifi, Bishop Lawrence said, so they were out
    of touch and unaware of the situation. They didn't see any rockets as
    their plane landed.

    When they landed, he said, "my phone blew up," with word about the
    massacres of people, including children and the elderly.

    Their friends Keith and Kathy Martin, also of Roanoke, who arrived 90
    minutes after the Lawrences, already knew the situation. Their flight
    did have wifi, and they had been sitting next to an Israeli with
    intelligence ties who'd spent the whole flight clicking around on his
    phone.

    "As they got ready to land, he told Keith, 'You're going to be
    landing in a war zone. Israel is at war.'"

    The airport itself seemed calm when they entered. Customs was almost
    vacant, Bishop Lawrence said, which he found strange as he was
    familiar with Israel's strict security there and elsewhere. He and
    his wife had made two previous trips to Israel.

    "We hadn't seen the full scope. The airport felt calm. Israelis are
    used to skirmishes and fighting with Hamas and Hezbollah. Most people
    didn't seem worried," Bishop Lawrence said.

    "As the day went on, people were getting more and more frightened.
    They were hearing stories about loved ones. Israel is so small, it's
    like a small town. Everyone knows your business. Everyone knows
    someone who was killed or kidnapped," he said.

    "I saw a deep sadness."

    He initially told his group, most of whom were preparing to leave,
    that the tour would go ahead. On Saturday afternoon, they considered
    altering the tour to accommodate late-arriving group members,
    condensing it, or delaying its start, but many airlines began
    canceling flights. By dinner time, it was clear that the tour would
    have to be canceled.

    They went to dinner, served buffet style at their beachfront hotel in
    Netanya, north of Tel Aviv, with many large Orthodox families in
    attendance.

    As they were finishing up around 7:30 p.m., he said, "Two bombs
    exploded directly overhead. It shook the windows and the building. It
    felt like a small earthquake."

    "We all ran down the stairwells to the safe room in the basement.
    There was pandemonium. There was screaming. Kids were screaming,
    speaking a language we don't know. Everyone was talking at once,
    being loud."

    When they got to the basement, they found an unusual situation. A
    small group of about a dozen men were conducting a religious service,
    one marking the beginning of the Jewish holiday Simchat Torah. It
    celebrates the completion of the annual cycle of Torah reading and
    the start of the next one.

    The men ignored the noise and confusion and continued their service,
    Bishop Lawrence said.

    "The men just kept doing their thing, like nothing was happening.
    Everyone else was freaking," he said.

    The crowd finally calmed down, and after an hour, the hotel told them
    they could return to their rooms. The Lawrences did so and texted
    their group to cancel the trip.

    It was a sleepless night, he said. Mr. Martin advised them to put
    their bed's headboard against the window to block any shrapnel from
    coming through, but their bed wasn't moveable, Bishop Lawrence said.
    They moved some other furniture and the drapes to compensate. "It
    probably didn't do much, but it made us feel better."

    They heard bombing intermittently. They heard helicopters and jets
    nearby. Rumors circulated that Hamas was attacking from the sea, and
    the hotel was right on the beach in Netanya.

    Mr. Martin contacted him at around 5 a.m. Sunday, saying he'd been
    trying to book flights out. Mr. Martin had clicked on a link he
    thought took him to United, Bishop Lawrence said, but perhaps through
    lack of sleep, he ended up talking to a fly-by-night travel agency.

    Over the next few hours, the agent assembled a complex itinerary-four
    legs beginning with an Ethiopian Airlines flight to Addis Ababa,
    connecting to Dublin, Chicago, and then Roanoke. Starting Monday,
    Oct. 9, the trip would take them 46 hours.

    "The guy was an angel and a devil in the same package," Bishop
    Lawrence said.

    The tickets were $1,336 for each of the four of them, money that it
    took seven credit cards between them to pay, as the agent padded the
    whole thing with an additional $12,000 charge. The two couples were
    charged more than $17,000. The couples are now disputing the charges,
    Bishop Lawrence said.

    On Sunday, Oct. 8, as they ate breakfast in the hotel dining room, he
    recalls hearing helicopters flying up and down the coast, which they
    did all day. "They were probably looking for a naval assault," he
    said.

    That morning, they called the embassy. "They said 'fill out this
    form'. I said, 'Come on, man. It's a war zone. Fill a form out?'"

    They asked if they could come to the embassy, he said. They were
    refused, and the staff member wouldn't even tell them where the
    embassy was located.

    Bishop Lawrence was unimpressed. "Why pay for an embassy when they
    won't respond to the needs of their citizens?"

    The day passed uneventfully. He and his wife left the hotel for lunch
    and found a cafe where Israelis were eating. "No one seemed uptight."
    But Bishop Lawrence suspected what lay beneath the calm.

    "I'm a former paramedic," he said. "In stressful situations, some
    people panic and scream. Others get stoic, like the shock of
    everything, the brain is trying to figure out how to assimilate."

    They saw few people in the streets.

    They ate dinner in the hotel dining room. Few people were there. "It
    was odd, like being in the Twilight Zone."

    That night, they continued hearing jets and helicopters, but the only
    sounds of bombing were far away. They packed a go bag in case of
    emergency during the night and otherwise made ready for a pre-dawn
    departure from the hotel to go to the airport.

    They had various ups and downs making their flight. They got in
    someone else's Uber by mistake and were running late but got to the
    airport in time because of the driver's heroic speeding. At the
    airport, they found enormous security lines.

    Bishop Lawrence, who had heart surgery earlier this year and
    regularly monitors his heart rate, saw his heart racing. Meanwhile,
    he worried he could neither endure the long line nor get through the
    airport. His wife suggested he use a wheelchair, and they found one
    unlocked near a long line of locked ones.

    He was challenged by an airport employee but convinced her he was a
    heart patient. She relented and said they'd take him to the gate, but
    his wife and friends would have to go through the regular line. The
    other three met up with him around an hour later but told him they
    had been pushed through the security line a little faster to reunite
    with him.

    Their expensive flights home were long but uneventful, including two
    lengthy layovers.

    He remains dismayed over their treatment by their own government. The
    confusion he found, he said, reminded him more of "Benghazi or the
    fall of Saigon."

    They would keep getting emails days after arriving home.

    Some told them to shelter in place and not to come to the embassy.

    One said they'd get flights but would have to sign a promissory note
    for the charges and couldn't pick where to fly. They'd be limited to
    one suitcase. A couple of days later, they got an email advising them
    that now they'd been taken out on a ship.

    "We wrote off the embassy," Bishop Lawrence said. "It was apparent to
    me, after the form emails, that they were not going to do anything.
    Nada. Zip."

    Bishop Lawrence noted that, in contrast, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis
    mobilized the state government to evacuate Floridians free of charge,
    more than 700 as of this writing. "It's no joke that DeSantis makes
    (President Joe) Biden look incompetent by comparison."
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    --Sean

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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to DIGIMAUS on Friday, October 27, 2023 08:20:00
    Looking to their safety, they called the U.S. Embassy for guidance.
    They were appalled, they said, that when they asked for shelter,
    embassy personnel denied it. They didn't help the Lawrences arrange
    to leave the country and even refused to give them the embassy's
    address in Jerusalem, Bishop Lawrence told The Epoch Times.

    The government denied that this happened in Afganistan during the
    withdrawl. And yet here we are again.

    Mike


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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Digimaus on Sunday, October 29, 2023 17:12:35
    Re: Your tax dollars at work
    By: Digimaus to All on Thu Oct 26 2023 09:23 pm

    "I'm pro-immigrant, but it's ironic that U.S. citizens couldn't get
    our government to lift a finger, let alone talk to us, while refugees
    on a paid flight are coming from Ethiopia," he said.


    This reminds me of my father complaining a week ago that he was trying to make a reservation at a luxury hotel for some business meeting and it got denied. Apparently, the government has parked a couple hundred North African immigrants and the hotel is full.

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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Arelor on Sunday, October 29, 2023 22:18:20
    This reminds me of my father complaining a week ago that he was trying to A> make a reservation at a luxury hotel for some business meeting and it got
    denied. Apparently, the government has parked a couple hundred North A> A> African immigrants and the hotel is full.

    It's happening in the States also especially in NYC. It's all about a government's priorities.

    -- Sean

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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Arelor on Sunday, October 29, 2023 23:44:00
    Hello Arelor!

    "I'm pro-immigrant, but it's ironic that U.S. citizens
    couldn't get our government to lift a finger, let alone
    talk to us, while refugees on a paid flight are coming
    from Ethiopia," he said.


    This reminds me of my father complaining a week ago that he
    was trying to make a reservation at a luxury hotel for some
    business meeting and it got denied. Apparently, the
    government has parked a couple hundred North African
    immigrants and the hotel is full.

    Is that Africans to Spain?
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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to ARELOR on Monday, October 30, 2023 08:43:00
    This reminds me of my father complaining a week ago that he was trying to make >a reservation at a luxury hotel for some business meeting and it got denied. >Apparently, the government has parked a couple hundred North African immigrants
    and the hotel is full.

    In the US there have been reports of retirement homes being "closed down,"
    and the old citizens removed, so that the home can be converted for housing immigrants from our southern border. The tale is that the homes make more money from the government housing the aliens than they do as a retirement
    home.


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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Wednesday, November 01, 2023 18:27:46
    Re: Your tax dollars at work
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Sun Oct 29 2023 11:44 pm

    Is that Africans to Spain?

    Yes.

    Spain has a strategic position as a bridge that joins North Africa and the developed parts of europe, so lots of migration movements go through Spain, as does all the smuggling and drug transports.

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, November 01, 2023 18:32:52
    Re: Your tax dollars at work
    By: Mike Powell to ARELOR on Mon Oct 30 2023 08:43 am

    In the US there have been reports of retirement homes being "closed down," and the old citizens removed, so that the home can be converted for housing immigrants from our southern border. The tale is that the homes make more money from the government housing the aliens than they do as a retirement home.

    Then I take the US government is nothing like the Spanish government.

    Spanish government would close the deal with you, then fail to pay, then tax you for the income relatd to the closed deal you never got paid for.

    So many private hospitals in Spain are falling for government contracts, getting patients from public welfare in spades, getting overloaded, and then getting crap as payment.

    Many pharma industries have learned their lesson, though, and are not selling anything to the administration.

    \endrant\

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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to ARELOR on Thursday, November 02, 2023 07:59:00
    Is that Africans to Spain?

    Yes.

    Spain has a strategic position as a bridge that joins North Africa and the developed parts of europe, so lots of migration movements go through Spain, as
    does all the smuggling and drug transports.

    For those that don't know (I am sure you do), there are at least two
    populated parts of Spain that are on the African mainland, so they don't
    even have to cross the Med to get there.


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