Whatcha all Windows users using for backup up your main PCs?

I'd like to backup most of my files, but I have less than 15GB
space free on a 250GB HDD. Can't add an extra HDD/SDD or
replace the existing HDD at the moment (PC is a bit hard to
access).

The goal is to send the files to an offsite server, automated.
But I am not interested in paying for a VPS for that. I'd like
to encrypt the files myself and upload a bundle.

I experimented with 7Zip and gpg, but found out that 7zip
doesn't support pipes.

Is there another rudimentary grassroots way to achieve this?

Since gpg can only input one file at a time, I was thinking of
building a FOR loop to create a gpg encrypted version for each
file and pipe that to Winscp.

This is for a Win7 environment, BTW.


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On 16 Sep 23 19:41:00, August Abolins said the following to All:

Whatcha all Windows users using for backup up your main PCs?

I'd like to backup most of my files, but I have less than 15GB
space free on a 250GB HDD. Can't add an extra HDD/SDD or
replace the existing HDD at the moment (PC is a bit hard to
access).

The goal is to send the files to an offsite server, automated.
But I am not interested in paying for a VPS for that. I'd like
to encrypt the files myself and upload a bundle.

If I recall, you've asked this question before and I've proposed that you use the shareware Drive Snapshot. Nothing comes to close to it unless you start looking at more commercial trialware like Veeam, which I believe no longer supports Windows 7.

I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by you want to backup to an offsite server but not wanting to pay for a VPS... its an offsite server
that you already provisioned, control, pay Internet and have a VPN
connection to then?

Nick

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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to All on Sat Sep 16 2023 07:41 pm

Hey Aug,

Whatcha all Windows users using for backup up your main PCs?

The goal is to send the files to an offsite server, automated.
But I am not interested in paying for a VPS for that. I'd like
to encrypt the files myself and upload a bundle.

I experimented with 7Zip and gpg, but found out that 7zip
doesn't support pipes.

Is there another rudimentary grassroots way to achieve this?

I use restic for all my backuping, it works on many OSes incl Windows.

You can use many backup "targets" (local drive, S3 endpoint, another restic, and some more I think), but I use S3 (minio running on a NAS).

For my important data, on the NAS, I backup to another drive in the NAS (with restic), that is then replicated into pcloud - which is there incase my house burns down.

It by default encrypts, compressions and only backs up changed files...


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August Abolins wrote to All <=-

Whatcha all Windows users using for backup up your main PCs?

Windows Backup for Windows 7 for primary backups. Media is synced to a
NAS using Resilio Sync, and the NAS is backed up to an external drive.

I'm planning on adding a cloud backup to the equation when I move to
fiber internet and gain some upload speed. Now, I'm on cable and my
upload is around 20 mbps.

I experimented with 7Zip and gpg, but found out that 7zip
doesn't support pipes.

Is there another rudimentary grassroots way to achieve this?

Can rsync do inline encryption?




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To: August Abolins
Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to All on Sat Sep 16 2023 07:41 pm

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

Whatcha all Windows users using for backup up your main PCs?

I'd like to backup most of my files, but I have less than 15GB
space free on a 250GB HDD. Can't add an extra HDD/SDD or
replace the existing HDD at the moment (PC is a bit hard to
access).

The goal is to send the files to an offsite server, automated.

if you're talking 'to the cloud' , google drive is cheap

The goal is to send the files to an offsite server, automated.
But I am not interested in paying for a VPS for that. I'd like

vpses aren't really a good solution for backing up remotely. they are slow, usually have less diskspace and other problems.

But I am not interested in paying for a VPS for that. I'd like
to encrypt the files myself and upload a bundle.

I experimented with 7Zip and gpg, but found out that 7zip
doesn't support pipes.

just use rar to encrypt it. rar the files encrypted and then rar that one file again and encrypt.
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Hello Nick Andre!

** On Sunday 17.09.23 - 09:06, Nick Andre wrote to August Abolins:

If I recall, you've asked this question before and I've
proposed that you use the shareware Drive Snapshot.
Nothing comes to close to it unless you start looking at
more commercial trialware like Veeam, which I believe no
longer supports Windows 7.

I don't think it was me. I never really worried about offsite
backups before.

If it was in the context of creating disk images, that's
different.

I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by you want
to backup to an offsite server but not wanting to pay for
a VPS... its an offsite server that you already
provisioned, control, pay Internet and have a VPN
connection to then?

Correct.. I can utilize the unlimited space that my hosting
company provides.

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Hello Kurt Weiske!

** On Sunday 17.09.23 - 09:10, Kurt Weiske wrote to August Abolins:

Windows Backup for Windows 7 for primary backups. Media is
synced to a NAS using Resilio Sync, and the NAS is backed
up to an external drive.

Unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of a NAS. (I *was*
looking into such a thing some years ago, but life happened).

I just want to send some primary important files offsite as a
backup - pretty much everything under /MyDocuments for
starters. That alone is over 60GB and I have only around 15GB
space left. AND.. I want it encrypted so that the hosting
company can't see explicit filenames nor pry into documents
either.

I'm planning on adding a cloud backup to the equation when
I move to fiber internet and gain some upload speed. Now,
I'm on cable and my upload is around 20 mbps.

My upload speed will be excruciatingly slow, 1Mbps. But after
the initial upload of salient files, only new or changed files
will be necessary.

I experimented with 7Zip and gpg, but found out that 7zip
doesn't support pipes.

Is there another rudimentary grassroots way to achieve this?

Can rsync do inline encryption?

Wouldn't know. For now, restic looks like the best (and
surpisingly the simplest) candidate to try.

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Hello Deon George!

** On Monday 18.09.23 - 00:14, Deon George wrote to August Abolins:

I use restic for all my backuping, it works on many OSes
incl Windows.

Thx for the headsup on restic. I'm liking what I see sofar. The
amd64bit version for Windows is just a self-contained 20MB .exe
file.

You can use many backup "targets" (local drive, S3
endpoint, another restic, and some more I think), but I
use S3 (minio running on a NAS).

Sounds like a very adaptable tool. My interest will be to
utilize the SFTP transfer to my hosting site.

For my important data, on the NAS, I backup to another
drive in the NAS (with restic), that is then replicated
into pcloud - which is there incase my house burns down.

The "restic repair [command]" option sounds ominous. Have you
ever encountered the need to repair a backup? Have you ever
restored a back up with restic?

It by default encrypts, compressions and only backs up
changed files...

I like the sound of ALL that. Thx!

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To: Kurt Weiske
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Kurt Weiske to August Abolins on Sun Sep 17 2023 09:10 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

August Abolins wrote to All <=-

Whatcha all Windows users using for backup up your main PCs?

Windows Backup for Windows 7 for primary backups. Media is synced to a
NAS using Resilio Sync, and the NAS is backed up to an external drive.

I'm planning on adding a cloud backup to the equation when I move to
fiber internet and gain some upload speed. Now, I'm on cable and my
upload is around 20 mbps.

i just archive my files. i dont bother imaging anything.
then i reinstall windows and copy shit over and run nnite for some programs.
i can get everything back up pretty quick.
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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Deon George on Sun Sep 17 2023 07:19 pm

Hey Aug,

The "restic repair [command]" option sounds ominous. Have you
ever encountered the need to repair a backup? Have you ever
restored a back up with restic?

I've not done a full restore, but I've done many "small" restores - ie: a bunch of directories and a bunch of files.

You can even fuse mount a backup - which I did when first playing with it, but never done it since - that was good, you could navigate your backup like another mount point.

I regularly also restore my production database backups into a test/dev environment from the restic respository (the product DB backup is piped to stdout, and into restic, so the restore is the other direction).

I've never had any issues so never had to think about the "repair" command.

I dont do a "purge" that often - every month or so (some backups are purged weekly via a cron, but some arent) - so my backup has many 1000's of "snapshots" as it refers to them.

Like anything that is encrypted, if you loose the key your backups are toast, so dont loose the key. :)


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On 17 Sep 23 18:40:00, August Abolins said the following to Nick Andre:

I don't think it was me. I never really worried about offsite
backups before.

I was the same way years ago until I moved into a small apartment building with tenants that could not be trusted. So I started worrying that if "shit happened" there better be a good backup strategy for handling gigabytes and
now terabytes of family pictures, videos, legal documents, finances etc.

While the solutions others mentioned are good... theres something of peace of mind with a very simple Windows program that takes a raw image of the entire system, OS and programs included. Drive snapshot has the functionality of professional grade software in one executable file and just works.

It has ran here for many years now, backing up everything to local NAS and external storage routinely swapped out and kept off-site. No worries anymore.

Nick

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To: Deon George
Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Deon George to August Abolins on Mon Sep 18 2023 01:21 pm

Like anything that is encrypted, if you loose the key your backups are toast, so dont loose the key. :)

yeah keep your key tight so it's not loose.
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Hello Jas Hud!

** On Sunday 17.09.23 - 19:03, Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske:

i just archive my files. i dont bother imaging anything.
then i reinstall windows and copy shit over and run nnite
for some programs. i can get everything back up pretty
quick.

But you lose original configurations of the apps. And, ninite
seems to only handle free programs. It wouldn't help restoring
MS Office or any other particular programs and utilities, for
example.



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To: Nick Andre
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Nick Andre to August Abolins on Mon Sep 18 2023 01:41 am

now terabytes of family pictures, videos, legal documents, finances etc.

While the solutions others mentioned are good... theres something of peace of mind with a very simple Windows program that takes a raw image of the entire system, OS and programs included. Drive snapshot has the functionality of professional grade software in one executable file and just works.

It has ran here for many years now, backing up everything to local NAS and

i used to think like that. but then you get a bad raw image and you are fucked.

i prefer to archive my files and password protect them and have them backed up up at home and online. I'm the king of backups. so many sysops 'lost it all in a crash'. they talk about how they have tape backup systems and other shit they never use. here i am copying shit and doing better than most other people in the hobby.
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To: August Abolins
Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Jas Hud on Sun Sep 17 2023 09:23 pm

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

Hello Jas Hud!

** On Sunday 17.09.23 - 19:03, Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske:

i just archive my files. i dont bother imaging anything.
then i reinstall windows and copy shit over and run nnite
for some programs. i can get everything back up pretty
quick.

But you lose original configurations of the apps. And, ninite

yeah but that's not that bad. i'm not losing much, if anything.

But you lose original configurations of the apps. And, ninite
seems to only handle free programs.

i have it setup for imageviewer, browser, greenshot, archiver programs, etc. let it run and it installs them. and since i copy over my backed up profile, i i keep all my settings for my browsers and some other programs.

MS Office or any other particular programs and utilities, for
example.

that stuff is so quick and easy to install. this isnt 1995.
just run the setup and then it's there.

furthermore, your windows system will probably run much better with a fresh os install

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On 18 Sep 23 16:40:39, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

i used to think like that. but then you get a bad raw image and you are fucked.

Highly unlikely here, actually impossible.

i prefer to archive my files and password protect them and have them backe up up at home and online. I'm the king of backups. so many sysops 'lost it all in a crash'. they talk about how they have tape backup systems and ot shit they never use. here i am copying shit and doing better than most ot people in the hobby.

Okay.

Nick

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To: Nick Andre
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Mon Sep 18 2023 08:41 pm

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

On 18 Sep 23 16:40:39, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

i used to think like that. but then you get a bad raw image and you

are
fucked.

Highly unlikely here, actually impossible.

Nothing is impossible.

you never took an image and it was bad? not in all your years?
i find that hard to believe , but whatever dude.

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To: August Abolins
Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Nick Andre on Sun Sep 17 2023 06:40 pm

a VPS... its an offsite server that you already
provisioned, control, pay Internet and have a VPN
connection to then?

Correct.. I can utilize the unlimited space that my hosting
company provides.

i think it's

"*unlimited", not unlimited.
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On 19 Sep 23 00:42:40, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

you never took an image and it was bad? not in all your years?
i find that hard to believe , but whatever dude.

Drive Snapshot generates a seperate hash table after a full image is taken.

When differential images are taken against the full image the program reads
the hash table and checks the image. If by some highly unlikely chance it
is in fact bad or the hash table cannot be read the entire backup fails, an errorlevel is set and the script alerts my attention.

As I just explained that I'm backing up to both a local NAS and have basic practice of off-site rotation, its impossible for me to be left with a backup set that cannot be restored.

Nick

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On 17 Sep 23 21:23:00, August Abolins said the following to Jas Hud:

But you lose original configurations of the apps. And, ninite
seems to only handle free programs. It wouldn't help restoring
MS Office or any other particular programs and utilities, for
example.

Exactly. All the more reason to look at an image-based backup solution.

When you backup your system you expect a solution that will backup everything and that should mean to include the entire state of the system, OS, programs, registry etc... So when the image is restored, you are back to the exact moment in time the image was taken.

Unless you enjoy reinstalling your OS and all your programs ;)

Nick

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Unless you enjoy reinstalling your OS and all your programs ;)

I LOVE installing DOS 6.22 ..... Brings back some many memories. :)

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To: Nick Andre
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Nick Andre to August Abolins on Tue Sep 19 2023 08:06 pm

OS, programs, registry etc... So when the image is restored, you are back to the exact
moment in time the image was taken.

Unless you enjoy reinstalling your OS and all your programs ;)

Nick

some people are pros (me) and can whip it all back together in an hour, or
for big things, a day.

some people do things the old ways and can't see the forest for the trees. probably some fella who runs windows xp.

it all depends on what you are doing though. if i was an IT dood in a company i would take advantage of imaging so i could devote myself to other things like trying to get printers to work.

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On 19 Sep 23 22:31:59, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

some people are pros (me) and can whip it all back together in an hour, or for big things, a day.

some people do things the old ways and can't see the forest for the trees. probably some fella who runs windows xp.

The mental gymnastics you go through to say nothing is hilarious.

Nick

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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to All on Sat Sep 16 2023 07:41 pm

Whatcha all Windows users using for backup up your main PCs?

I assume you don't want a full system backup, but just to backup some user files.

I'd go with rclone. You can use rclone to place your backups on local hard drives, ftp servers, Nextcloud servers... it supports so many backends it is crazy.

It also supports encrypted backups. Not a plug and play solution, but not hard either.

gpg for backups if a bit ugly. I would only do it if processing backup images (this is, you have a backup program that produces a big badass 250 GB archive with all your stuff, and then you pipe it into gpg).

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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Deon George to August Abolins on Mon Sep 18 2023 12:14 am

I use restic for all my backuping, it works on many OSes incl Windows.

I am doing some trial runs with restic (with an rclone backend).

I have heard that restic is not officially tested on Windows and that WINdows support is mostly accidental (ie. all its dependencies happen to run on Windows and Go happens to run on Windows, therefore it happens to run on Windows despite the fact development is Linux centri.

I have heard some complaints against restic's performance on Windows, but I'd love to hear more comments on this.

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Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Kurt Weiske to August Abolins on Sun Sep 17 2023 09:10 am

Can rsync do inline encryption?

No, it can't. The coser you can get to such experience is rclone.

If you control the destination server, you can create an encrypted filesystem on it and rsync into such filesystem. THat way you won't need encryption at the client level. I personally only do those things if the whole server is encrypted.

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Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Jas Hud to Nick Andre on Mon Sep 18 2023 04:40 pm

i used to think like that. but then you get a bad raw image and you are fuc

i prefer to archive my files and password protect them and have them backed here i am copying shit and doing better than most other people in the hobby.

If you have a couple of machines you can get by copying stuff manually.

If you have 5 active machines, then chances are you won't bother to backup anything if you have to do it manually.

Back when I had a manageable ammount of data stored, I just rebooted the computer I wanted to backup into a recovery environment and rsynced all of it to external hard drives. My experience is that disaster tends to strike just when you need to use your data ASAP, so having full systam backups has saved my ass a couple of times, because a full system backup allows you to fall on your feet, hit the floor running and get you on the go without you needing to manually set your stuff again.

Once you have to manage more than 6 Tb of data across, say, 4 or 5 machines (which is not realistically that much) you need something automated, or you just won't take your backups.

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Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Jas Hud to Nick Andre on Tue Sep 19 2023 12:42 am

Nothing is impossible.

you never took an image and it was bad? not in all your years?
i find that hard to believe , but whatever dude.

I don't remember taking bad images, but I remember hard drives containing good images going bad.

I also remember a file based backup system got a critical file corrupted because the hard drive got a bad sector just where the file resided. It was silent corruption. I detected it because I had a job checking the hash of the files every week and I got a nice email with a "read error" message XD

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Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Nick Andre to August Abolins on Tue Sep 19 2023 08:06 pm

Unless you enjoy reinstalling your OS and all your programs ;)

Truth to be told, if an 8 years old node gets toasted, chances are you are taking advantage of the fact it kicked the bucket to install something modern on a new machine.

I don't mind installing software as much as I mind rebuilding all the fine grained configuration (such as firewalls, static ARP entries, crontabs and the like)

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To: Nick Andre
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Wed Sep 20 2023 07:42 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

On 19 Sep 23 22:31:59, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

some people are pros (me) and can whip it all back together in an hour, or for big things, a day.

some people do things the old ways and can't see the forest for the trees. probably some fella who runs windows xp.

The mental gymnastics you go through to say nothing is hilarious.

Nick

your jealousy is pathetic.
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To: T.J. Mcmillen
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: T.J. Mcmillen to Nick Andre on Tue Sep 19 2023 11:12 pm

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

Unless you enjoy reinstalling your OS and all your programs ;)

I LOVE installing DOS 6.22 ..... Brings back some many memories. :)

install os2 via floppy
then when it's almost done one of the disks is bad.
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Hello Arelor!

** On Wednesday 20.09.23 - 18:19, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

I assume you don't want a full system backup, but just to
backup some user files.

Correct. I just want to copy a few key directories of files,
maybe even regularly.

I'd go with rclone. You can use rclone to place your
backups on local hard drives, ftp servers, Nextcloud
servers... it supports so many backends it is crazy.

I see that. SFTP would be my approach. The usage looks
confusing though.

It also supports encrypted backups. Not a plug and play
solution, but not hard either.

I haven't noticed the encrypted part in the docs yet.

gpg for backups if a bit ugly. I would only do it if
processing backup images (this is, you have a backup
program that produces a big badass 250 GB archive with all
your stuff, and then you pipe it into gpg).

I am really liking the idea of piping gpgtar to winscp at this
point.

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Hello Nick!

** On Tuesday 19.09.23 - 20:06, you wrote to me:

When you backup your system you expect a solution that
will backup everything and that should mean to include the
entire state of the system, OS, programs, registry etc...
So when the image is restored, you are back to the exact
moment in time the image was taken.

Your recommendation for drivesnapsot reminded me of driveimg
which operates the same way. I have used driveimg when i had
spare external drives. It worked flawlessly in the reverse
direction to rebuild a system onto a new HDD.

I think I will simply need to get an 2TB external drive and
just use driveimg for the full system backup.

But I am liking the idea of using gpgtar | winscp or restic for
SFTP'ing copies of some important directories.

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To: Arelor
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Arelor to Jas Hud on Wed Sep 20 2023 06:46 pm

I don't remember taking bad images, but I remember hard drives containing good images going bad.

I also remember a file based backup system got a critical file corrupted because the hard drive got a bad sector just where the file resided. It was silent corruption. I detected it because I had a job checking the hash of the files every week and I got a nice email with a "read error" message XD

i'm pretty sure i had shit go bad with ghost, partitian magic, clonezilla.
and this one nick suggested is one i'm sure i used like 20 yrs or so ago.
dont think i have a problem.
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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Arelor to Deon George on Wed Sep 20 2023 06:22 pm

Howdy,

I have heard that restic is not officially tested on Windows and that WINdows support is mostly accidental (ie. all its dependencies happen to run on Windows and Go happens to run on Windows, therefore it happens to run on Windows despite the fact development is Linux centri.

I have heard some complaints against restic's performance on Windows, but I'd love to hear more comments on this.

That might be true. I rarely use windows - its only running my game server for shits and giggles, and I backed it up with restic.

I dont recall if I've done any restores, with restic.

If backups are slow it wouldnt bother me as I have it running in the background while I do something else. The hardware that runs my Windows is an atom server under VMware, so its slow anyway...

I know it'd be an old version, so I might upgrade it and redo a backup and see how it goes. (Compression in restic only came recently, so I need to ugprade to take advantage of that.)


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On 20 Sep 23 18:51:27, Arelor said the following to Nick Andre:

Truth to be told, if an 8 years old node gets toasted, chances are you are taking advantage of the fact it kicked the bucket to install something moder on a new machine.

Yes and no. I know where you're coming from but my needs are different.

In the case of my BBS machine, its a major Fido mail hub, responsible for catering to the emotional-needs of over a hundred Sysops who connect here several times a day. I see its limitations and know what works, what doesn't. It will not run to my satisfaction on anything beyond XP. But it does have a new home on Vmware to eliminate the legacy hardware aspect. It was running
on an IBM R50 for..... 15 years? It was time to go modern as you say. It can live out the rest of its life on XP but on much more reliable server hardware.

The other systems here at home are newer; a DC on 2012R2 and Exchange 2016, terminal services on 2022 and these are systems which are not easy to rebuild from scratch. You don't just rebuild a DC and all the user accounts or
rebuild Exchange from scratch in a day.

Maybe some others enjoy camping out infront of their computers all weekend doing that sort of mundane work but I don't... computers in my household work for me, not the other way around. I already work IT for 40~50 hours a week.
Its also why I'm not really a Linux fan, theres always "something" Linux
guys have to do with their system. My tinkering days are over; family first.

My personal laptop I do everything on is Windows 11 with a mountain of apps configured to my satisfaction... registry tweaks and having things exactly the way that I like it. There's just no way I'm ever reinstalling the OS and all the apps I use. Not practical and some apps cannot be reactivated anymore.

So in my case image-backups solved all of these problems and can be restored
to different hardware if necessary. If my apartment gets ripped off, burned down, laptop destroyed, whatever, I'm back in business relatively painless.

Its interesting convo that backups are really different for everyone which
is why I said there are many good solutions discussed here.

Nick

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On 20 Sep 23 20:31:00, August Abolins said the following to Nick Andre:

Your recommendation for drivesnapsot reminded me of driveimg
which operates the same way. I have used driveimg when i had
spare external drives. It worked flawlessly in the reverse
direction to rebuild a system onto a new HDD.

Exactly.

I think I will simply need to get an 2TB external drive and
just use driveimg for the full system backup.

But I am liking the idea of using gpgtar | winscp or restic for
SFTP'ing copies of some important directories.

Hard drives are so cheap nowadays. Whatever works for ya... scripting something for SFTP should be easy.

Nick

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To: Nick Andre
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Nick Andre to Arelor on Wed Sep 20 2023 10:15 pm

So in my case image-backups solved all of these problems and can be restored to different hardware if necessary. If my apartment gets ripped off, burned down, laptop destroyed, whatever, I'm back in business relatively painless.

Its interesting convo that backups are really different for everyone which is why I said there are many good solutions discussed here.

whatever works for you, and if it's proven to work that's good.
just don't be the guy who lost it all in 'a crash' because we all should
know better.

i like linux but there's many aspects of it which can be a pain in the ass; mostly 3rd party developer related. there's some stuff that has multiple versions, old and new that are being actively developed. they are still working on old versions of various shit and it's insane. that's part of the reason why my linux setup that runs my irc and other junk is in a vm.
it's very easy to just backup the container files and run old shit until
it wont run no more.
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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Wed Sep 20 2023 08:18 pm

It also supports encrypted backups. Not a plug and play
solution, but not hard either.

I haven't noticed the encrypted part in the docs yet.

rclone.org/crypt/

The idea is you configure rclone to use your SFTP target, and then you configure a virtual remote that encrypts everything and uses your SFTP target.

I didn't say it was plug-and-play.

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Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Nick Andre to Arelor on Wed Sep 20 2023 10:15 pm

My personal laptop I do everything on is Windows 11 with a mountain of apps configured to my satisfaction... registry tweaks and having things exactly t way that I like it. There's just no way I'm ever reinstalling the OS and all the apps I use. Not practical and some apps cannot be reactivated anymore.

So in my case image-backups solved all of these problems and can be restored to different hardware if necessary. If my apartment gets ripped off, burned down, laptop destroyed, whatever, I'm back in business relatively painless.

My point is:

At work I might have multiple spare servers sitting on the warehouse with identical hardware specs than servers running in production, so if a production server gets toasted I can just load a backup image in one of the blanks and keep rocking.

How many people keeps identical laptops or desktops so they can take one and pipe a backup image taken from an identical machine into a blank one? Not many. Chances are domestic consumers go to the store and pick whatever they happen to have there for a computer replacement, which will likely have a modern OS which is not really compatible with whatever you have backed up out of the box.

I have very complete backups of my domestic machines but I don't expect to perform a full restore but for special cases (such as when only the HDD of a achine dies, and replacing the HDD is enough to go back to functional hardware). Realistically, by the time one of my computers has a crash it might be 10 years old already so it makes sense to upgrade unless the repair is cheap.

In that regard Windows sucks harder than a weaning foal because you can do a bit copy from a hard drive and transfer it to a newer machine, and it won't work because "reasons" whereas most modern BSDs or Linuxes won't really notice.

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Arelor wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

If you control the destination server, you can create an encrypted filesystem on it and rsync into such filesystem. THat way you won't
need encryption at the client level. I personally only do those things
if the whole server is encrypted.

Makes sense, there wouldn't be any need to encrypt the data stream,
necessarily - just to have encryption at rest.



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T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Nick Andre <=-

Unless you enjoy reinstalling your OS and all your programs ;)

I LOVE installing DOS 6.22 ..... Brings back some many memories. :)

Installing DOS, then finding the right floppy disk with the Sony CD-ROM
driver on it, and getting MSCDEX to work. Weird proprietary interface
CD-ROMs, Bus Mice - all those things remind me of supporting DOS
machines.

Oh, and 3COM 3C509 network cards.





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On 20 Sep 23 23:46:30, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

whatever works for you, and if it's proven to work that's good.
just don't be the guy who lost it all in 'a crash' because we all should know better.

Yessir professor.

Nick

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On 21 Sep 23 09:07:34, Arelor said the following to Nick Andre:

How many people keeps identical laptops or desktops so they can take one and pipe a backup image taken from an identical machine into a blank one? Not ma

I'm one of those people... the habit of having replacement parts, identical things stuck with me a lonnnnnng time ago. Am using a laptop which is a
very common model; all the parts are cheap. If its totally destroyed or stolen or whatever its really not a big deal... easily replaced, nothing fancy.

My images can be restored to different hardware. I tested this with a backed
up image of a desktop which got restored to Vsphere.

What happened were the typical Windows quirks like re-activating Windows etc but all of the apps and profile settings were spot on. I do agree with you that disaster-recovery seems to be an afterthought in Windows.

In that regard Windows sucks harder than a weaning foal because you can do a bit copy from a hard drive and transfer it to a newer machine, and it won't work because "reasons" whereas most modern BSDs or Linuxes won't really noti

Agreed, I think UEFI complicates things on top of that.

Nick

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Hello Deon!

** On Thursday 21.09.23 - 11:28, Deon George wrote to Arelor:

If backups are slow it wouldnt bother me as I have it
running in the background while I do something else. The
hardware that runs my Windows is an atom server under
VMware, so its slow anyway...

Same here. DSL upload speed is slow, 1Mbps max. So.. an
automated sftp backup is fine after hours.

..(Compression in restic only came recently, so I need
to ugprade to take advantage of that.)

Nice. Then restic could be all I need. No gpgtar | restic
necessary.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Thursday 21.09.23 - 08:53, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

rclone.org/crypt/

The idea is you configure rclone to use your SFTP target,
and then you configure a virtual remote that encrypts
everything and uses your SFTP target.

I didn't say it was plug-and-play.

"Configure crypt using rclone config. In this example the crypt
remote is called secret, to differentiate it from the
underlying remote.

When you are done you can use the crypt remote named secret
just as you would with any other remote,

e.g. rclone copy D:\docs secret:\docs, and rclone will encrypt
and decrypt as needed on the fly."

That isn't to bad at all. Thx.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Thursday 21.09.23 - 09:07, Arelor wrote to Nick Andre:

..you can do a bit copy from a hard drive and transfer it
to a newer machine, and it won't work because "reasons"
whereas most modern BSDs or Linuxes won't really notice.

So.. a bit copy from a legacy harware linux pc will succeed in
a newer pc with linux?

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Hello Deon George!

** On Thursday 21.09.23 - 11:28, Deon George wrote to Arelor:

I dont recall if I've done any restores, with restic.

If backups are slow it wouldnt bother me as I have it
running in the background while I do something else. The
hardware that runs my Windows is an atom server under
VMware, so its slow anyway...

Having some issues with restic.

I tried restic -r sftp:user@server.com:/restic/archive

..and it complained:

Fatal: Create repository at sftp:user@server.com:/restic/
archive failed: cmd.Start: exec: "ssh": executable file not
found in %PATH%.

So.. it seems that restic is not entirely complete in one
binary and needs external programs such as ssh.exe ?

I tried the -o sftp.command="prog" parameter where prog is
putty.exe with full path to its location, but it claimed it was
not found.

I know it'd be an old version, so I might upgrade it and
redo a backup and see how it goes. (Compression in restic
only came recently, so I need to ugprade to take advantage
of that.)

Do you use sftp? Can you illustrate the command line and
parameters you use?

I had better luck with winscp:

winscp sftp://user@server.com:2222//enc/archive

..and it connected and worked (manually) fine. The next step
would be to make it work with gpgtar piped output.


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"Configure crypt using rclone config. In this example the crypt
remote is called secret, to differentiate it from the
underlying remote.

When you are done you can use the crypt remote named secret
just as you would with any other remote,

e.g. rclone copy D:\docs secret:\docs, and rclone will encrypt
and decrypt as needed on the fly."

That isn't to bad at all. Thx.

I went thru the config. I really liked the step-by-step system
for config. I *think* I established a "test1:" as my encrypted
remote, but when I went to use it:

c:\rclone copy \temp\xxxx test1:\temp\archive

..everything in \temp\archive was in the clear.

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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Deon George on Thu Sep 21 2023 06:53 pm

Having some issues with restic.

I tried restic -r sftp:user@server.com:/restic/archive

..and it complained:

Fatal: Create repository at sftp:user@server.com:/restic/
archive failed: cmd.Start: exec: "ssh": executable file not
found in %PATH%.

Right, you would need SSH as well if you wanted to pipe it through SSH/SFTP.

I use an S3 target, ie : -r s3:http://minio:9000/bucket as my target, with environment variables containing the authentication credentials.

I tried the -o sftp.command="prog" parameter where prog is
putty.exe with full path to its location, but it claimed it was
not found.

Why putty?

I had better luck with winscp:
winscp sftp://user@server.com:2222//enc/archive

Does winscp provide SFTP? (I dont use it, so dont know). You might be able to use -o sftp.command=winscp ?


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Hello Deon George!

** On Friday 22.09.23 - 11:28, Deon George wrote to August Abolins:

I tried restic -r sftp:user@server.com:/restic/archive

..and it complained:

Fatal: Create repository at sftp:user@server.com:/restic/
archive failed: cmd.Start: exec: "ssh": executable file not
found in %PATH%.

Right, you would need SSH as well if you wanted to pipe it through SSH/SFTP.

So.. restic is not all-in-one and still relies on external
progs?

I use an S3 target, ie : -r s3:http://minio:9000/bucket as my target,
with environment variables containing the authentication credentials.

S3 is Amazon's cloud space?

I tried the -o sftp.command="prog" parameter where prog is
putty.exe with full path to its location, but it claimed it was
not found.

Why putty?

I dunno.. it just seemed like a good one to try and see if
restic could at least *find* it.

I had better luck with winscp:
winscp sftp://user@server.com:2222//enc/archive

Does winscp provide SFTP? (I dont use it, so dont know). You might be
able to use -o sftp.command=winscp ?

Not sure if winscp can be utilized in place of the SSH exec
that restic is looking for. I wish there were more examples
of usage out there.
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To: Kurt Weiske
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Kurt Weiske to T.J. Mcmillen on Thu Sep 21 2023 09:54 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Nick Andre <=-

Unless you enjoy reinstalling your OS and all your programs ;)

I LOVE installing DOS 6.22 ..... Brings back some many memories. :)

Installing DOS, then finding the right floppy disk with the Sony CD-ROM driver on it, and getting MSCDEX to work. Weird proprietary interface CD-ROMs, Bus Mice - all those things remind me of supporting DOS
machines.

having a virus bork my computer and then eventually finding, downloading and figuring out how to get mscdex to run my cdrom was one of my hurdles back in the day that got me into bbses and becoming a computer enthusiast again in the early 90s.

I always loved computers, though. i used to type up basic programs and modify them with my atari computer.
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To: Nick Andre
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Thu Sep 21 2023 03:50 pm

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

On 20 Sep 23 23:46:30, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

whatever works for you, and if it's proven to work that's good.
just don't be the guy who lost it all in 'a crash' because we all should know better.

Yessir professor.

Nick

sorry if you're not following along, gilligan.
maybe some day you might try big bad linux and not hate it so much.
*pats little man's head*



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To: Nick Andre
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Nick Andre to Arelor on Thu Sep 21 2023 04:04 pm

I'm one of those people... the habit of having replacement parts, identical things stuck with me a lonnnnnng time ago. Am using a laptop which is a
very common model; all the parts are cheap. If its totally destroyed or stolen or whatever its really not a big deal... easily replaced, nothing fancy.

My images can be restored to different hardware. I tested this with a backed up image of a desktop which got restored to Vsphere.

so how awesome is your windows xp system that you have all these irreplaceable programs that you don't want to run setup.exe on and apparently spend a lot of time setting up?

What happened were the typical Windows quirks like re-activating Windows etc but all of the apps and profile settings were spot on. I do agree with you that disaster-recovery seems to be an afterthought in Windows.

windows has got that shit down pat now though. if something goes wrong system restore can pretty much deal with it. I had a weird issue last week and i figured fuck it, give it a shot instead of wasting time investigating it.
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To: Deon George
Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Deon George to August Abolins on Fri Sep 22 2023 11:28 am

I had better luck with winscp:
winscp sftp://user@server.com:2222//enc/archive

Does winscp provide SFTP? (I dont use it, so dont know). You might be able to use -o sftp.command=winscp ?

i use it to push files to one of my servers with a script.
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c:\rclone copy \temp\xxxx test1:\temp\archive

..everything in \temp\archive was in the clear.

OK.. I learned something else. I needed to create a new
type="crypt" remote in config.

I did that, but I don't understand how rclone knows that my
destination needs be my ftp.server.com

The config for crypt type did not prompt for server info.

Only sftp prompted for server, path, etc.

For my crypt type I have:

- type: crypt
- remote: mycrypted:/path
- password: *** ENCRYPTED ***

Does the "mycrypted:" string above need to be filled in as
"ftp.server.com:" or "sftp://user@ftp.server.com:2222:"
instead?
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To: August Abolins
Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Deon George on Thu Sep 21 2023 11:22 pm

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

Hello Deon George!

** On Friday 22.09.23 - 11:28, Deon George wrote to August Abolins:

I tried restic -r sftp:user@server.com:/restic/archive

..and it complained:

Fatal: Create repository at sftp:user@server.com:/restic/
archive failed: cmd.Start: exec: "ssh": executable file not
found in %PATH%.

Right, you would need SSH as well if you wanted to pipe it through SSH/SFTP.

So.. restic is not all-in-one and still relies on external
progs?

I use an S3 target, ie : -r s3:http://minio:9000/bucket as my target, with environment variables containing the authentication credentials.

S3 is Amazon's cloud space?

I tried the -o sftp.command="prog" parameter where prog is
putty.exe with full path to its location, but it claimed it was
not found.

Why putty?

I dunno.. it just seemed like a good one to try and see if
restic could at least *find* it.

I had better luck with winscp:
winscp sftp://user@server.com:2222//enc/archive

Does winscp provide SFTP? (I dont use it, so dont know). You might be able to use -o sftp.command=winscp ?

Not sure if winscp can be utilized in place of the SSH exec
that restic is looking for. I wish there were more examples
of usage out there.

winscp.com /script=script.txt

contents of script.txt

-- begin --

open sftp://USERNAME:PASSWORD@DOMAIN.COM/MIDGETPORN/INCOMING/ -hostkey="ssh-ed25519 255 1234SDFSFS4FS4S(THIS IS YOUR HASH)DAF4AS4DF4SDF4F4DSF4SDF5678"

# Your command 1
# Your command 2
put c:\temp\MIDGITS.*
# Execute the script using a command like:
# "C:\WinSCP\WinSCP.exe" /log="C:\writable\path\to\log\WinSCP.log" /ini=nul /script="C:\path\to\script\script.txt"
exit


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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Deon George on Thu Sep 21 2023 11:22 pm

Hey Aug,

So.. restic is not all-in-one and still relies on external
progs?

It is. But I think your intermixing "transport" with "backup".

Restic backs up and can be used on its own to another drive/directory, another restic, or an S3 target without the need for any other software.

If you want to control the transport of the backups (ie: over SFTP), then yes, you need to provide the tool that provides that transport.

S3 is Amazon's cloud space?

S3 is a protocol for storing files. Its is not "Amazon", but yes amazon does provide an S3 storage service. Other clouds provider their own S3 storage service capabilities as well.

At home, I use "minio" to provide me with an S3 storage target.

Not sure if winscp can be utilized in place of the SSH exec
that restic is looking for. I wish there were more examples
of usage out there.

I'm not understanding why "winscp" was successful using an sftp:// target - and if you dont have "sftp" installed, then it probably does do SFTP - since you said it worked.


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To: August Abolins
Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Thu Sep 21 2023 06:31 pm

..you can do a bit copy from a hard drive and transfer it
to a newer machine, and it won't work because "reasons"
whereas most modern BSDs or Linuxes won't really notice.

So.. a bit copy from a legacy harware linux pc will succeed in
a newer pc with linux?

NOPE!
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On 21 Sep 23 22:15:15, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

sorry if you're not following along, gilligan.
maybe some day you might try big bad linux and not hate it so much.

I administer several Linux VM's at work...

Nick

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On 21 Sep 23 22:18:05, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

so how awesome is your windows xp system that you have all these irreplacea programs that you don't want to run setup.exe on and apparently spend a lot time setting up?

Pretty awesome the XP BBS been running for 21 years without shit happening... and mine is a system that has always sat on port 23, routinely clobbered by scriptkid scans. But never crashed and never "hacked" like others loved to proclaim... others who would often run stock Linux boards that they couldn't keep up longer than a few months or years before vanishing.

When the decision was made to migrate away from 15 years on IBM hardware to
a Vmware server, XP was simply imaged and restored. It just worked.

If I really HAD to rebuild it you ask... theres only three tiny Windows programs and those are portable exe's started by scripts. The rest is all
pure DOS stuff... really XP is just the multitasker.

It only gets a reboot once or twice a year because of a buffer flaw in the network stack where eventually all outgoing connections fail but this is
likely caused by the telnet server app.

That reboot is scripted too...

Nick

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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Thu Sep 21 2023 06:31 pm

So.. a bit copy from a legacy harware linux pc will succeed in
a newer pc with linux?

It has a high chance of working out of the box, provided the operating system you had in the defunct machine is not ancient itself.

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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Deon George on Thu Sep 21 2023 06:53 pm

So.. it seems that restic is not entirely complete in one
binary and needs external programs such as ssh.exe ?

AFAIK restic has all the conre functionality integrated, but if you need a task through an external program (such as ssh) you DO need that external program.

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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Thu Sep 21 2023 08:37 pm

I went thru the config. I really liked the step-by-step system
for config. I *think* I established a "test1:" as my encrypted
remote, but when I went to use it:

May you list the steps you took to reach that point?

Is "test1" a "crypt" type remote? Did you point it against a regular remote?

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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Thu Sep 21 2023 11:34 pm

OK.. I learned something else. I needed to create a new
type="crypt" remote in config.

If you were doing it from scratch, you would:

1) Use rclone config to create a regular unencrypted remote, pointing at your actual storage (such as ftp.server.com)

2) Test your remote works by using rclone to send some harmless pictures.

rclone copy horse_picture.jpg remote:

3) Create a crypt remote that used the regular remove you created before as its target.

4) Test it

rclone copy spionage_secrets.txt cryptremote:

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Nick Andre wrote to Arelor <=-

I'm one of those people... the habit of having replacement parts, identical things stuck with me a lonnnnnng time ago. Am using a laptop which is a very common model; all the parts are cheap. If its totally destroyed or stolen or whatever its really not a big deal... easily replaced, nothing fancy.

I keep aspiring to upgrade my homelab, but what I like about it is that
it's running on a laptop - I have a similar laptop sitting in a drawer
that can act as a backup if I have a hardware failure.




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On 22 Sep 23 09:13:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

I keep aspiring to upgrade my homelab, but what I like about it is that
it's running on a laptop - I have a similar laptop sitting in a drawer
that can act as a backup if I have a hardware failure.

I'm the same but more a fan of Vmware especially... any Vmware server can run all my crap from any backup set.

Nick

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To: Nick Andre
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Fri Sep 22 2023 03:11 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

On 21 Sep 23 22:15:15, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

sorry if you're not following along, gilligan.
maybe some day you might try big bad linux and not hate it so much.

I administer several Linux VM's at work...

Nick

sure you do.
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To: Nick Andre
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Fri Sep 22 2023 03:44 am

Pretty awesome the XP BBS been running for 21 years without shit happening... and mine is a system that has always sat on port 23, routinely clobbered by scriptkid scans. But never crashed and never "hacked" like others loved to proclaim... others who would often run stock Linux boards

those are just liars that can't keep their shit up.
it's an excuse they use.
i've ran my stuff on default ports. sometimes i have to direct a watchful eye but I haven't had anything horrible.

That reboot is scripted too...

you are a genius programmer. first d'bridge and now this.
please put this script on github.
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To: Nick Andre
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Nick Andre to Kurt Weiske on Fri Sep 22 2023 07:48 pm

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

On 22 Sep 23 09:13:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

I keep aspiring to upgrade my homelab, but what I like about it is that
it's running on a laptop - I have a similar laptop sitting in a drawer
that can act as a backup if I have a hardware failure.

I'm the same but more a fan of Vmware especially... any Vmware server can run all my crap from any backup set.

it can also run converted qemu images without a hitch.
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On 22 Sep 23 20:12:44, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

I administer several Linux VM's at work...

sure you do.

You're boring. And contribute ziltch. In the ignore filter you go.

Nick

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To: Nick Andre
Re: Re: backup for windows pc?
By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Sat Sep 23 2023 06:30 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

On 22 Sep 23 20:12:44, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

I administer several Linux VM's at work...

sure you do.

You're boring. And contribute ziltch. In the ignore filter you go.

noooooooo! I just took you out. please!
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Hello Arelor!

** On Friday 22.09.23 - 08:03, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Thu Sep 21 2023 11:34 pm

OK.. I learned something else. I needed to create a new
type="crypt" remote in config.

If you were doing it from scratch, you would:

1) Use rclone config to create a regular unencrypted remote, pointing at your actual storage (such as ftp.server.com)

Did that. I created test1 as an sftp type and pointed it to user@ftp.kolico.ca:2222

2) Test your remote works by using rclone to send some harmless pictures.

rclone copy horse_picture.jpg remote:

Did that. The following worked well:

rclone copy [somedir] test1:/pathatdestination

Even the subdirs were copied.

3) Create a crypt remote that used the regular remove you created before
as its target.

I *think* I created it. But there was no provision to tell it
WHERE the destination actually is.

I had this..

Storage> crypt

Option remote.
Remote to encrypt/decrypt.
Normally should contain a ':' and a path, e.g. "myremote:path/to/dir", "myremote:bucket" or maybe "myremote:" (not recommended).
Enter a value.

remote>

..and then I was stuck. What do I enter there if I want the
the remote destination to be at user@ftp.kolico.ca:2222 ?

4) Test it

rclone copy spionage_secrets.txt cryptremote:

I ended up with this..

Configuration complete.
Options:
- type: crypt
- remote: ftp.kolico.ca:arn/archive
- password: *** ENCRYPTED ***
Keep this "mycrypted" remote?
y) Yes this is OK (default)
e) Edit this remote
d) Delete this remote
y/e/d> y

Current remotes:

Name Type

==== ====

mycrypted crypt
test1 sftp


But the following does not work:

C:\util>rclone copy . mycrypted:
2023/09/23 20:33:17 Failed to create file system for "mycrypted:": failed to make re
mote "mycrypted:/arn/archive" to wrap: didn't find section in config file

It would seem that this part is the key:

Option remote.
Remote to encrypt/decrypt.
Normally should contain a ':' and a path, e.g. "myremote:path/to/dir", "myremote:bucket" or maybe "myremote:" (not recommended).
Enter a value.

remote>

What should I be entering there if I need my destination to be user@kolico.ca:2222://arn/archive ?

I redited the crypt remote to achieve this:

Configuration complete.
Options:
- type: crypt
- remote: kolico@ftp.kolico.ca:2222://arn/archive
- password: *** ENCRYPTED ***
Keep this "crypt" remote?
y) Yes this is OK (default)
e) Edit this remote
d) Delete this remote
y/e/d> y

But that did not work either.

C:\util>rclone copy . crypt:
2023/09/23 20:50:45 Failed to create file system for "crypt:": failed to make re
mote "kolico@ftp.kolico.ca:2222://arn/archive" to wrap: didn't find section in c
onfig file

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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Sat Sep 23 2023 08:54 pm

..and then I was stuck. What do I enter there if I want the
the remote destination to be at user@ftp.kolico.ca:2222 ?

You enter "test1:".

This way "mycrypt" will place all its encrypted stuff in the storage set for test1.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Sunday 24.09.23 - 15:34, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

You enter "test1:".

This way "mycrypt" will place all its encrypted stuff in the storage set for test1.

THX! That seemed to work. It was off to the races...

C:\temp>\util\rclone -vv copy sss crypt:/arn/archive
2023/09/24 18:19:31 DEBUG : rclone: Version "v1.64.0" starting with parameters [
"\\util\\rclone" "-vv" "copy" "sss" "crypt:/arn/archive"]
2023/09/24 18:19:31 DEBUG : Creating backend with remote "sss"

..but, the contents of sss did NOT end up in /arn/archive.
Instead, the encrpyted dir/files were deposited in the root of
my account. :(

/6kra4nb6r0ag7e99trmneeubq4 /6kra4nb6r0ag7e99trmneeubq4/r5aumb6b4hohp8ijt2mi5o7bmc

..and then inside dir r5aumb6b4hohp8ijt2mi5o7bmc the 7 files
were there as:

07dedh9pccd7ek25clbg8ij7nh4ih3lurvqqo7m4hspsa8mad75lils662bdi4r
kdhljt8tr06lju

6919d92pq5bhp3fgda9a79qmhh79mfsq09dcluijes2u78gnn3bg

flr6ekscm5tn0na18lhgjgkv04

omd4gjo4hic3m3elvd4vgn1sco

3tk1pr2dprugruiiluhm31kml8

0qus9m325foj04uojbun0fl4s8

00euvqd43kpnir732plvdapsa0

I invoked the process with:

rclone -vv copy sss crypt:/arn/archive

I expected the creation to take place in /arn/archive, but
instead everything was deposited at the root level.

What did I do wrong?

The remote test1: is configured as:

Select remote.
Choose a number from below, or type in an existing value.
1 > crypt
2 > test1
remote> 2

Editing existing "test1" remote with options:
- type: sftp
- host: ftp.kolico.ca
- user: #######
- port: 2222
- use_insecure_cipher: true
- ask_password: true
- shell_type: unix
- md5sum_command: none
- sha1sum_command: none
- path_override: /arn/archive
- pass: *** ENCRYPTED ***

So.. is..

rclone copy sss crypt:/arn/archive

...creating /arn/archive as the encrypted /6kra4nb6r0ag7e99trmneeubq4/r5aumb6b4hohp8ijt2mi5o7bmc ?

where arn= 6kra4nb6r0ag7e99trmneeubq, and
archive = r5aumb6b4hohp8ijt2mi5o7bmc ?

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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Sun Sep 24 2023 07:13 pm

..but, the contents of sss did NOT end up in /arn/archive.
Instead, the encrpyted dir/files were deposited in the root of
my account. :(

That is because your crypt remote is configured to use test1: instead of test1:/arn/archive as its target.

Think of "mycrypt:" as a virtual folder that resides in wherever you point it at. If you instruct rclone to put stuff in mycrypt:/arn/archive, it will create "/arn/archive" within the virtual folder, and then upload the whole virtual folder to the path you pointed it at which, in your case, is test1: (root of your hosting folder.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Monday 25.09.23 - 18:21, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

..but, the contents of sss did NOT end up in /arn/archive.
Instead, the encrpyted dir/files were deposited in the root
of my account. :(

That is because your crypt remote is configured to use
test1: instead of test1:/arn/archive as its target.

OK.. so it appears that it created the encrypted directories
because I configured it to do that. Had I stipulated that
mycrypt: NOT encrypt the directories, using mycrypt:/arn/
archive would have placed the encrypted files in the actual
/arn/archive location?

Think of "mycrypt:" as a virtual folder that resides in
wherever you point it at. If you instruct rclone to put
stuff in mycrypt:/arn/archive, it will create "/arn/
archive" within the virtual folder, and then upload the
whole virtual folder to the path you pointed it at which,
in your case, is test1: (root of your hosting folder.

I'm getting that now. "rclone ls mycrypt: " reveals that it
"knows" the directory path of the files in /arn/archive/ ..so,
I can live with encrpyted dirs in the home root dir, no
problem.

I'm really liking rclone. Thanks for the heads up on it.
Although it runs full throttle on a copy and sucks my upload
bandwidth and thus affecting other things I need to do on the
internet, I can schedule my backups/transfers to take place
after hours. OR.. I see that the --bwlimit might be a good
option to employ to slow it down a notch.

What was not obvious at the start was that inorder to have a
remote crypt type, it was a pre-requisite to have a standard
remote type (ie. sftp) established.






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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Sep 25 2023 11:08 pm

OK.. so it appears that it created the encrypted directories
because I configured it to do that. Had I stipulated that
mycrypt: NOT encrypt the directories, using mycrypt:/arn/
archive would have placed the encrypted files in the actual
/arn/archive location?

I don't understand the question.

"mycrypt:" uses any path you set for it. It might be test1:, test1:/folder or whatever. If you use test1:/horse_pictures then anything you upload to it (ie. rclone copy horse.jpg mycrypt:) will be placed, in encrypted form, under test1:/horse_pictures/.

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Hello Arelor!

OK.. so it appears that it created the encrypted directories
because I configured it to do that. Had I stipulated that
mycrypt: NOT encrypt the directories, using mycrypt:/arn/
archive would have placed the encrypted files in the actual
/arn/archive location?

I don't understand the question.

Sorry.. it *was* a rather long-winded statement. What I mean
is that I configured the mycrypt: remote to encrypt directories
*and* files.

.: perhaps that is why I don't see any encrpyted files in the
existing /arn/archive directory. Instead, there is a new
encrypted directory in the root, and an encrpyted subdir inside
of that one, and *then* the encrypted files are in the latter.

So.. my guess is that if I modify mycrypt: to only encrypt the
files, and NOT the dirs, *then* a copy using to "rclone copy
[files] mycrypt:/arn/archive" will park the files into the
readable /arn/archive directory?

"mycrypt:" uses any path you set for it. It might be
test1:, test1:/folder or whatever. If you use test1:/
horse_pictures then anything you upload to it (ie. rclone
copy horse.jpg mycrypt:) will be placed, in encrypted form,
under test1:/horse_pictures/.

It seems that the Windows version doesn't really use the
configured directory. Firstly, what I use at the command line
overrides what's in the config. I like the fact that it
automatically creates missing directories.

If I use "rclone copy [files] mycrypt:" ..without any directory
parameter after mycrypt:, the files get stored at the root
level of my webhost account.

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Hello Jas!

** On Thursday 21.09.23 - 23:21, you wrote to me:

Not sure if winscp can be utilized in place of the SSH exec
that restic is looking for. I wish there were more examples
of usage out there.

winscp.com /script=script.txt

contents of script.txt

-- begin --

[...]

Thx. Interesting.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Friday 22.09.23 - 07:54, you wrote to me:

AFAIK restic has all the conre functionality integrated,
but if you need a task through an external program (such as
ssh) you DO need that external program.

I happend to notice some restic examples that use rclone in the
mix.

restic -r rclone:remotdrive:backup init

That would be interesting, and it would solve the ssh/sftp
transport error I was getting with restic alone, I guess.

..cuz, this approach,

$ restic -r sftp:restic-backup-host:/srv/restic-repo init

..did not work for me when I went to actually launch a backup.






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Hello Deon George!

** On Friday 22.09.23 - 14:51, you wrote to me:

So.. restic is not all-in-one and still relies on external
progs?

It is. But I think your intermixing "transport" with "backup".

OK.. if sftp is built into restic, why does it report an SSH
errr? I guessing that its sftp requires a non-password
session?

Apparently, restic can incorporate rclone as the "transport".
I'll try that.

Rclone is configured with the necessary sftp login password,
and rclone on its own works well.


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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Deon George on Wed Sep 27 2023 08:54 pm

Hey Aug,

OK.. if sftp is built into restic, why does it report an SSH
errr? I guessing that its sftp requires a non-password
session?

According to the docs
"In order to backup data via SFTP, you must first set up a server with SSH and let it know your public key. Passwordless login is important since automatic backups are not possible if the server prompts for credentials."

Does that answer your question?


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Hello Deon!

According to the docs
"In order to backup data via SFTP, you must first set up a server with
SSH and let it know your public key. Passwordless login is important
since automatic backups are not possible if the server prompts for credentials."

I saw that earlier too.

Does that answer your question?

Not sure. But I saw a usage example that used rclone to invoke
SFTP. Something like..

restic -o "rclone [file] remote:"

..where remote: = sftp:user@server:2222 ..and that way, rclone
can be set up to login automatically.

I have to find that again and study it.

rclone on its own works very well. I can build a few simple
command-line scripts for some key directories and configure
them into the Windows scheduler. The sync command works fast
thru a directory of 4500+ files and only updates the ones that
have changed. I love the way the crypt feature works and
completely obfuscates the dir and file names when looking at
the remote server contents directly.

But I like the idea of using restic and creating snapshots of
backups as well, so that I can pick and restore an earlier
snapshot if necessary.

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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 2023 09:05 pm

If I use "rclone copy [files] mycrypt:" ..without any directory
parameter after mycrypt:, the files get stored at the root
level of my webhost account.

Then mycrypt is not configured to use a subfolder of your webhost account.

Is you do try to place files un a subfolder via the crypt subsystem "rclone copy horse.jpg mycrypt:/horses/pictures/" then your crypt subtree will be uploaded to the root of your webhost in obscured form, and that is expected behavior.

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Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Wed Sep 27 2023 08:59 pm

I happend to notice some restic examples that use rclone in the
mix.

restic -r rclone:remotdrive:backup init

That would be interesting, and it would solve the ssh/sftp
transport error I was getting with restic alone, I guess.

I'd rather use rclone with restic only if you need to use some storage restic does not support more directly.

(But yeah, it should work)

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Hello Arelor!

** On Sunday 01.10.23 - 19:12, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

restic -r rclone:remotdrive:backup init

That would be interesting, and it would solve the ssh/sftp
transport error I was getting with restic alone, I guess.

I'd rather use rclone with restic only if you need to use some storage restic does not support more directly.

(But yeah, it should work)

Yep. Seems to be as simple as this:

$ restic -r rclone:seckol: init
enter password for new repository:
enter password again:
created restic repository a75eabea51 at rclone:seckol:

Please note that knowledge of your password is required to access
the repository. Losing your password means that your data is
irrecoverably lost.
$ restic -r rclone:seckol: list snapshots
enter password for repository:
repository a75eabea opened (version 2, compression level auto)
created new cache in /home/aa/.cache/restic
$ restic -r rclone:seckol: backup processed
enter password for repository:
repository a75eabea opened (version 2, compression level auto)
no parent snapshot found, will read all files

Files: 156 new, 0 changed, 0 unmodified
Dirs: 5 new, 0 changed, 0 unmodified
Added to the repository: 14.956 MiB (1.561 MiB stored)

processed 156 files, 15.693 MiB in 0:20
snapshot c97b3916 saved

That is what a friend achieved. So.. it looks promising for
me, even on Windows. Compression and transfer in about 20 secs
is not bad for a 70KiB/s upload limit.

Once again, thanks for pointing me to rclone - which is the key
tool for all of this.
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Hello Arelor!

** On Sunday 01.10.23 - 19:10, you wrote to me:

Re: backup for windows pc?
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 2023 09:05 pm

If I use "rclone copy [files] mycrypt:" ..without any directory
parameter after mycrypt:, the files get stored at the root
level of my webhost account.

Then mycrypt is not configured to use a subfolder of your webhost account.

Is you do try to place files un a subfolder via the crypt subsystem
"rclone copy horse.jpg mycrypt:/horses/pictures/" then your crypt subtree will be uploaded to the root of your webhost in obscured form, and that is expected behavior.

Yes.. that aspect seemed confusing at first.

So, a good approach is to configure a specific remote dir for
mycrypt to use, and just let it park the files there using the
simple "rclone copy horse.jpg mycrypt:".

I tested it with another crypt-type remote, and that worked as
expected.

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Hello Deon!

** On Monday 18.09.23 - 13:21, you wrote to me:

I've never had any issues so never had to think about the "repair" command.

I dont do a "purge" that often - every month or so (some backups are purged weekly via a cron, but some arent) - so my backup has many 1000's of "snapshots" as it refers to them.

Like anything that is encrypted, if you loose the key your backups are toast, so dont loose the key. :)

I posted a sample from a friend's first test-run.

The "restic -r rclone" combo looks sweet, and simple.


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