Imagine a rapist's defence is "she is not my type, so I could not have raped her".

How many (except for the worst human specimens imaginable) will actually accept that?

Now imagine that the indoctrinated people that actually *do* accept that, also pretend to be guardians of "family values".

"For a million years, us stars have been allowed to grab our females by the pussy."

Really? And this is the person 74 million USAians thought is the one?

In Russia they have no other option but state controlled TV, and therefore are duly, crazy indoctrinated. In the USA millions of people *voluntarily* choose to watch *only* Fox News and to become crazy indoctrinated.

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Hello Bj”rn,

Imagine a rapist's defence is "she is not my type, so I could not have raped
her".

One can only imagine, as the man has no defense, and has no plans
to present any during his trial. Besides, that is not what he said
before it all began. Here are his exact words -

"Just look at her. She is not my type."

You do know what that means. All you have to do is look at the
evidence. It is there for all to see, hiding in plain sight.

So who is his type? A gal from Slovenia. Her name is Melania.
She even played the part of the first female POTUS. In a prior
life time.

How many (except for the worst human specimens imaginable) will actually accept that?

One. I already told you her name.

Now imagine that the indoctrinated people that actually *do* accept that, also pretend to be guardians of "family values".

Slovenian family values? Nobody ever taught me those.

"For a million years, us stars have been allowed to grab our females by the
pussy."

He said that on camera as his wife was pregnant, at home watching.
Imagine her reaction as to finding out how wildly popular a guy he
was.

Really? And this is the person 74 million USAians thought is the one?

Some 81 million USAians voted for the other guy. Not sure how many of
those nasty women had been able to keep their pussies intact.

In Russia they have no other option but state controlled TV, and therefore are duly, crazy indoctrinated.

Relax. Mad Vlad is a nice guy, and does not send nasty women to the
front, anywhere in the world. So please, give the poor guy a break.

In the USA millions of people *voluntarily* choose to watch *only* Fox News
and to become crazy indoctrinated.

I hate to bust your bubble, but Tucker C. has left the building ...

Once again:

His followers are still waiting for TC (like Elvis) to return ...

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Imagine a rapist's defence is "she is not my type, so I could not have raped her".

Thats not what Trump said.

How many (except for the worst human specimens imaginable) will actually accept that?

I would accept facts and evidence - two things that haven't been provided in ANY of Trumps accusers.

Accusers - thats the word you have right now; not rape.



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One can only imagine, as the man has no defense, and has no plans
to present any during his trial. Besides, that is not what he said
before it all began. Here are his exact words -

"Just look at her. She is not my type."

Either you have not seen it or don't want to talk about it.
What am I referring to the interview not famous interview that E. Jean Carrol had with Anderson Cooper on his show AC 360ø if you haven't seen its a doosey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AL3Y2NYBhw
after this it was fastest "lets go to commercial break" in all of TV history.

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Imagine a rapist's defence is "she is not my type, so I could not have
raped her".

Thats not what Trump said.

That is what he says, over and over again.

How many (except for the worst human specimens imaginable) will
actually accept that?

I would accept facts and evidence - two things that haven't been provided in ANY of Trumps accusers.

The jury will reach a verdict soon.

Accusers - thats the word you have right now; not rape.

The word is rape, that is what he is accused of.

"She's not my type" is a bad defense but it is the only one he has presented.

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On 06 May 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

Imagine a rapist's defence is "she is not my type, so I could not have >> raped her".

Thats not what Trump said.

Let's take a look at what is really happening here and why.
*** Trigger Warning ***

It is you people on the Left who are the most grotesque and I'll prove it.
The drive-by media does it's bidding for the power hungry democratic machine.

The real truth is that Liberals want to stop Trump by any means necessary, because they are scared to death because they know that they will lose power, as these people have a never-ending thirst for power that never can be sufficiently quenched or satisfied.
They see Trump as threat because they know that Trump will put an end to the waste and corruption.

The fake news media and efforts of the left.
Trying to bury Trump in senseless court cases.
Why? To create the narrative that would suggest, how could you, vote for Trump? as they point to the fabricated lies in ink, that is not worthy of the paper is it written on. To make it appear as if Trump should never be a consideration. Make no mistake this is the intention of the left as they are trying to make the argument to convince Trump Supporters to choose another do-nothing candidate in 2024. To be honest, if this is before us we will return to the days where nothing gets accomplished in Washington, D.C.
America will fall further in decline.

NEW YORK
Bringing something up that allegedly happened 20+ years ago w/ Alan Bragg's indictment, when the statue of limitations have long ago expired but then suggesting it was a felony but not telling anyone what the crime was used to create the felony. What a bone-head.

The truth regarding Alan Bragg is beyond repulsive.
Let's criminals of color get away with heinous crimes or reduces the crime to a lesser charge and in most cases eliminates the crime(s) altogether.
Only to allow these same filthy people to commit more crime.

hum, no one above the law eh-----
Last year, the Federal Election Commission fined Hillary Clinton for misreporting payments made to a law firm during the 2016 campaign to hide spending. The law firm in question was Perkins Coie, which hired Fusion GPS to conduct research that resulted in the Steele Dossier, which was later used by Congress to impeach Trump. Clinton classified these expenses as legal services and was fined $113,000 for the misrepresentation.

By intentionally obscuring their payments through Perkins Coie and failing to publicly disclose the true purpose of those payments, Hillary's presidential campaign and DNC were able to avoid publicly reporting on their statutorily required FEC disclosure forms the fact that they were paying Fusion GPS to perform opposition research on Trump with the intent of influencing the outcome of the 2016 presidential election, the initial complaint read per the Associated Press.

GEORGIA
Is thinking about charging Trump with something, but the truth is there is nothing there as the phone call as been released courtesy of CNN. From start to finish I listened and read in it's complete entirety and did not hear anything of any significance that could be used to charge Trump with any crime.
In-fact it was Trump who brought up several questionable acts of fraud and corruption within the state of Georgia.

E JEAN CARROLL
This old tart claims that 1995 or early in 1996 in the Bergdorf Goodman department store in New York City. Further details of the alleged incident were published in her book What Do We Need Men For?
But told Anderson Cooper in a interview that Rape was sexy and the thought of the thrill of it all. A person of integrity would not describe such an act in this way. Not at all!

This old tart also accused CBS Corporation executive Les Moonves of sexual assault in 2019. She says the incident occurred in the late 1990s in a hotel elevator after interviewing Moonves for a story; he denied the allegation. This was happened allegedly 23 years ago, if it happened at all.

BIDEN IS A COMPLETE DISGRACE
Joe Biden promised to unite all Americans, but we are more divided then ever before. Inflation is out of control, it costs a great deal more today for just about everything. Begging foreign countries to increase production for more oil, and we all have been paying price at the pump for his inability to govern or to be energy independent like we were when Trump was President when the U.S. was a leading exporter of energy many times over no one in the world
could even compete or come close to the United States of America in the Trump years.

Liberals seem not to care about the higher prices of everything all they want to talk about is Orange man - bad and how everything was worse, but was it really? Biden does not know where he is at many times, the Biden gaffes can be be pulled up on the Internet with the greatest of ease. He won't take a cognitive test, all he has said on this matter is "Why the hell would I take a test?" and then says something quite unimaginable, He then told Barnett: "That's like saying before you got on this program, you're taking a test whether you're taking cocaine or not. What do you think? Huh? Are you a junkie?"

Biden's exchange with Barnett was part of an interview conducted with the National Association of Black Journalists and the National Association of Hispanic Journalists.

Biden told reporters that he is constantly tested by the rigors of the presidential campaign. He repeated those sentiments with Barnett.

We have all seen the results of his Biden's Presidency and I am not impressed with his efforts as it has been in many ways been a complete and total disaster.

Biden has blamed Trump for all of those covid deaths and even said during the debate as of October 22, 2020, debate against then-President Donald Trump, Joe Biden said "anyone who is responsible for 220,000 deaths from COVID should not be president."
Well, Joe Biden is now responsible for 417,000 deaths more than the 396,000 who died while Trump was president. By his own thought process, Biden should have resigned several months ago, especially since he told us he was going to fix this.

To my AMERICAN liberal friends, this is your President and more importantly
it is why Biden will never ever be my President.

Alan your boy-child of a leader is not much better.
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Anderson went on to accuse Trudeau of civil rights violations during the trucker convoy protest, calling him a dictator who treats citizens as "terrorists."

Another Alternative for Germany MEP, Bernhard Zimniok, accused Trudeau of "trampling on democratic rights" by cracking down on people for protesting "disproportionate" public health measures.

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Hello Alan,

Imagine a rapist's defence is "she is not my type, so I could not have
raped her".

Thats not what Trump said.

That is what he says, over and over again.

He does have a tendency to repeat himself.

How many (except for the worst human specimens imaginable) will
actually accept that?

I would accept facts and evidence - two things that haven't been provided
in
ANY of Trumps accusers.

The jury will reach a verdict soon.

There are only two verdicts possible - "guilty" or "not guilty".
And it must be unanimous, with all jurors being in agreement.
Otherwise it is a hung jury. Or a mistrial, if a juror acts out
or turns out to be an a-hole.

Accusers - thats the word you have right now; not rape.

The word is rape, that is what he is accused of.

Then let him take the stand, place his hand on the Holy Bible,
and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
truth.

"She's not my type" is a bad defense but it is the only one he has presented.

First of all, it was a stupid thing to say. And he said it on camera,
for the whole world to know. Especially knowing Melania was watching.
Along with his son, Baron. I will not remind you about what he said
how he got hold of women to be with (while Melania was preggers) ...

He has not presented any defense, and apparently has no plans to do
so. He said she made it all up and that it never happened. Went to
Ireland and played golf while his trial was in progress. Which makes
sense. After all, the only thing he would say while on the stand is
"Fifth amendment."

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Hello Greg,

One can only imagine, as the man has no defense, and has no plans
to present any during his trial. Besides, that is not what he said
before it all began. Here are his exact words -

"Just look at her. She is not my type."

Either you have not seen it or don't want to talk about it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/450116-trump-vehemently -denies-e-jean-carroll-allegation-shes-not-my-type/


That is the original quote, as reported by The Hill.

What am I referring to the interview not famous interview that E. Jean Carrol had with Anderson Cooper on his show AC 360ø if you haven't seen its
a doosey.

The original quote was reported by The Hill (noted above).
Fox News merely reported about the video of E. Jean Carroll's
deposition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AL3Y2NYBhw
after this it was fastest "lets go to commercial break" in all of TV history.

Seems like Tucker C. is taking a permanent vacation break from
Fox News ...

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The real truth is that Liberals want to stop Trump by any means necessary, because they are scared to death because they know that they will lose power,

Liberals will not vote for Donald Trump because they don't like his policies, for reasons that I think are pretty clear today.

Trying to bury Trump in senseless court cases.

This is not "the left" sueing Trump. It is a case brought by E. Jean Carroll.

NEW YORK
Bringing something up that allegedly happened 20+ years ago w/ Alan Bragg's indictment, when the statue of limitations have long ago expired but then suggesting it was a felony but not telling anyone what the crime was used to create the felony. What a bone-head.

We'll see.

The truth regarding Alan Bragg is beyond repulsive.
Let's criminals of color get away with heinous crimes or reduces the crime
to lesser charge and in most cases eliminates the crime(s) altogether.
Only to allow these same filthy people to commit more crime.

This is a misreprisentation of the facts to fit your narrative.

hum, no one above the law eh-----
Last year, the Federal Election Commission fined Hillary Clinton for misreporting payments made to a law firm during the 2016 campaign to hide
spending. The law firm in question was Perkins Coie, which hired Fusion GPS to
conduct research that resulted in the Steele Dossier, which was later used by
Congress to impeach Trump. Clinton classified these expenses as legal services
and was fined $113,000 for the misrepresentation.

If your statement is true then it seems Clinton is indeed, not above the law.

GEORGIA
Is thinking about charging Trump with something, but the truth is there is nothing there as the phone call as been released courtesy of CNN. From start to finish I listened and read in it's complete entirety and did not hear anything of any significance that could be used to charge Trump with any crime. In-fact it was Trump who brought up several questionable acts of
fraud and corruption within the state of Georgia.

I heard the phone call too, and the crime was evident.

Trump is going to have a much harder time with this one when the charges drop, and that may happen over the summer.

E JEAN CARROLL
This old tart claims that 1995 or early in 1996 in the Bergdorf Goodman department store in New York City. Further details of the alleged incident were published in her book What Do We Need Men For?
But told Anderson Cooper in a interview that Rape was sexy and the thought of the thrill of it all. A person of integrity would not describe such an act in this way. Not at all!

She never said rape was sexy. That's another misrepresentation. A lie.

BIDEN IS A COMPLETE DISGRACE
Joe Biden promised to unite all Americans,

Why are we talking about Biden now?

Alan your boy-child of a leader is not much better.
"Mr. Trudeau, you are a disgrace for any democracy," said German MEP Christine Anderson, the political spokesperson for the ID parliamentary
group in the European Parliament through her party Alternative for Germany.

Anderson went on to accuse Trudeau of civil rights violations during the trucker convoy protest, calling him a dictator who treats citizens as "terrorists."

I have never been treated like a terrorist, by Trudeau or anyone else.

Another Alternative for Germany MEP, Bernhard Zimniok, accused Trudeau of "trampling on democratic rights" by cracking down on people for protesting "disproportionate" public health measures.

Those are right wing sycophants.

People are free to protest and be heard in Canada regardless of your view but you are not free to occupy the downtown area of Ottawa or block bridges the way those protesters did.

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The word is rape, that is what he is accused of.

Then let him take the stand, place his hand on the Holy Bible,
and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
truth.

When he was in Ireland he said he had to rush back to the USA to defend himself. He must be back now if that's the case.

Let's see what his defense looks like.

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Let's see what his defense looks like.

Maybe something like "she should be able to remember the exact second this took place." From the man that don't even remember what year he was married to any of his wives...



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On 07 May 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

E JEAN CARROLL
This old tart claims that 1995 or early in 1996 in the Bergdorf Goodman department store in New York City. Further details of the alleged inciden
were published in her book What Do We Need Men For?
But told Anderson Cooper in a interview that Rape was sexy and the though
the thrill of it all. A person of integrity would not describe such an ac
this way. Not at all!

She never said rape was sexy. That's another misrepresentation. A lie.

Would you like me to show where this was indicated by her?
um ok.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9369184/cnn-ad-break-trump-accuser-rape-sexy/

want more proof..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AL3Y2NYBhw

As you can plainly see and hear it was not a misrepresentation at all, nor was it a lie.

BIDEN IS A COMPLETE DISGRACE
Joe Biden promised to unite all Americans,

Why are we talking about Biden now?

what's the matter, it's not like he out office, but I am so counting the
days.

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She never said rape was sexy. That's another misrepresentation. A lie.

Would you like me to show where this was indicated by her?

You already posted a link.

um ok. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9369184/cnn-ad-break-trump-accuser-rape-sexy/ want more proof..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AL3Y2NYBhw

As you can plainly see and hear it was not a misrepresentation at all, nor was it a lie.

It was a lie. She never said "rape is sexy" as you indicated.

She said..

"I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the fantasies."

I don't agree with her statement about what most people think about rape but she never said "rape is sexy".

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Hello Greg,

Imagine a rapist's defence is "she is not my type, so I could not

have

raped her".

Thats not what Trump said.

Let's take a look at what is really happening here and why.
*** Trigger Warning ***

A lady accused Trump of having raped her some 30 years ago.
This is a civil case, not criminal. State charges, not federal.

It is you people on the Left who are the most grotesque and I'll prove it. The drive-by media does it's bidding for the power hungry democratic machine.

This has nothing to do with Left vs Right, as the matter is not
political.

The real truth is that Liberals want to stop Trump by any means necessary, because they are scared to death because they know that they will lose power, as these people have a never-ending thirst for power that never can be sufficiently quenched or satisfied.

So an alleged rapist should never be charged with any crime or forced
to pay for any damages to those they have harmed? What kind of justice
would that be? Is that the kind of country you want to have, where the
accused always get away with criminal misdeeds?

They see Trump as threat because they know that Trump will put an end to the
waste and corruption.

This has nothing to do with "Trump as threat" or any other political
nonsense. It is about justice. Justice for those who have been harmed
by those who have committed acts that are harmful to them and others.

The fake news media and efforts of the left.

Emotional appeals to nonsense go nowhere. Even if such appeals
make you feel good.

Trying to bury Trump in senseless court cases.

Donald Trump is a man who has been accused of having committed
a heinous act against a woman inside a department store. Even though
this a civil case rather than criminal, the damage he has done to
her reputation was very costly and can never be fully restored.

Why?

The real reason is justice. Even if you never believe it yourself.

To create the narrative that would suggest, how could you, vote for Trump?

There is nothing to suggest. The prosecution says Trump is a rapist.
No ifs, ands, or buts about it. That is the message the prosecution is
bringing to the jury. If the jury buys it, Trump is toast.

as they point to the fabricated lies in ink,

Depends on who the jury believes. And so far, the only person(s)
they have heard from are the woman who claims to have been raped
by Trump, and those who have seen Trump inside the department
store at the same time it happened.

that is not worthy of the paper is it written on.

The Hill is a very credible source, the interview of Trump at the
White House having become very famous.

To make it appear as if Trump should never be a consideration.

Then why the interview with Trump at the White House? Certainly
both parties considered it very important.

Make no mistake this is the intention of the left as they are trying to make
the argument to convince Trump Supporters to choose another do-nothing candidate in 2024.

I realize how embarrassing it is for Donald Trump to be on trial for
rape. But it is a fact. And if convicted, which very well might happen,
even more embarrassing. Especially since he is still a candidate for
president. Hard to imagine a convicted rapist actually getting elected.

OTOH, some claim we already have three rapists on the USSC, one of
them also being an alcoholic.

To be honest, if this is before us we will return to the days where nothing
gets accomplished in Washington, D.C. America will fall further in decline.

Oh, relax. Joe will replace Kamala with Hunter and all will be well.

NEW YORK
Bringing something up that allegedly happened 20+ years ago w/ Alan Bragg's
indictment, when the statue of limitations have long ago expired but then suggesting it was a felony but not telling anyone what the crime was used to create the felony. What a bone-head.

The rape trial is a civil case, with no statute of limitations.
As such, Trump will never go to jail on this matter. Although it
may cost him a small fortune. On the the other hand, it may be
he is not as rich as he has told others, and might even have to
declare bankruptcy again ...

The truth regarding Alan Bragg is beyond repulsive.

He is still the man in charge, bringing the case to the jury.
And he will prove to the jury why the accused is guilty ...

Let's criminals of color get away with heinous crimes or reduces the crime to a lesser charge and in most cases eliminates the crime(s) altogether. Only to allow these same filthy people to commit more crime.

I do not believe the DA has any intention of reducing or dropping
charges. And why he? He's got a strong case, and a credible witness.
And a jury likely to believe every word she says ...

hum, no one above the law eh-----

The jury will decide, whether Trump likes it or not.

Last year, the Federal Election Commission fined Hillary Clinton for misreporting payments made to a law firm during the 2016 campaign to hide spending.

That's the ticket. Just put folks on trial on allegations. No need
for charges of any kind. Just have somebody make a claim, whether true
or not makes no difference. Then lock 'em up. Preferably without a
trial.

Has Hillary Clinton ever been charged with a crime? No.
Has Hunter Biden ever been charged with a crime? No.
But there sure have been a lot of investigations, and more
to come, by Republican members of Congress ...

For Life,
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Hello Bj”rn,

Let's see what his defense looks like.

Maybe something like "she should be able to remember the exact second this took place." From the man that don't even remember what year he was married
to any of his wives...

He buried one of his ex-wives on a golf course in New Jersey.
Why? To get a tax credit by having that land declared agricultural
property used for raising livestock.

If you are interested in viewing her gravesite, it is just off
hole #1. Not sure what is actually in what is buried there, as she
was cremated.

For Life,
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Hello Alan,

The word is rape, that is what he is accused of.

Then let him take the stand, place his hand on the Holy Bible,
and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
truth.

When he was in Ireland he said he had to rush back to the USA to defend himself. He must be back now if that's the case.

He does not need to be present at his own trial.

Let's see what his defense looks like.

He has the right to attend, the right to present a defense, and
the right to take the stand. He says he will do none of those things,
as there is no defense.

For Life,
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On 08 May 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

A lady accused Trump of having raped her some 30 years ago.
This is a civil case, not criminal. State charges, not federal.

She was gaga-eyed over Trump because of his celebrity status, but I do not believe for one moment that Trump who is and was even back then worth millions would do something so reckless, I do not suffer from TDS, unlike you.
Just looking at this upon its face, what was alleged, also know U.S. Citizens are innocent until proven guilty. We still are not yet a Banana Republic.

30 years ago ? C'mon man, I think she is looking for a payday or to sell her book of fiction in hopes it will out sell Fifty Shades of Gray.

I am no psychoanalyst but the way she talks about rape with how she believes most other peoples definition is defined is really troublesome.
Meaning: It is a real problem in the persuasion & convincing departments due to the obvious norms. Such an individual who as gone through such an ordeal wouldn't care how other people define it. For this reason alone her words are very questionable and suspicious.
"I think most people think of rape as being sexy... think of the fantasies." Nope. Never happened.

This has nothing to do with Left vs Right, as the matter is not
political.

Yeah? and I have a bridge I could sell you in Brooklyn.

Donald Trump is a man who has been accused of having committed
a heinous act against a woman inside a department store. Even though
this a civil case rather than criminal, the damage he has done to
her reputation was very costly and can never be fully restored.

What about his, look at all the which-hunts that have gone absolutely no where.

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She said..

"I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the fantasies."

I don't agree with her statement about what most people think about rape but

never said "rape is sexy".

Do you think that someone who didn't think that "rape was sexy" would say
such a thing as what you quote her as saying? I would certainly not expect them to say such a thing, nor would I ever make such an odd statement as she did.

Men who make such statements as she apparently did are considered sick.


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She said..

"I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the fantasies."

I don't agree with her statement about what most people think about rape but

never said "rape is sexy".

Do you think that someone who didn't think that "rape was sexy" would say such a thing as what you quote her as saying? I would certainly not expect them to say such a thing, nor would I ever make such an odd statement as she did.

She never said "rape is sexy". Gregory said she did, but in fact she did not.

Men who make such statements as she apparently did are considered sick.

When your a star you can do that, apparently.

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Hello Greg,

A lady accused Trump of having raped her some 30 years ago.
This is a civil case, not criminal. State charges, not federal.

She was gaga-eyed over Trump because of his celebrity status, but I do not believe for one moment that Trump who is and was even back then worth millions would do something so reckless,

There won't be a conviction. Do you know why? I already told you,
as duly noted above from the previous post. This is a civil case, not
a criminal trial. He could be held "liable" - but never convicted.

I do not suffer from TDS, unlike you.

Civil cases are based on the preponderance of evidence, not beyond
a reasonable doubt. As such, it makes no difference if the jurors have
TDS or are MAGA nutjobs.

Just looking at this upon its face, what was alleged, also know U.S. Citizens are innocent until proven guilty.

Again, this is a civil case, not a criminal trial. As such, Trump
will never be convicted, although he could be held liable, and have
to pay a lot of money.

We still are not yet a Banana Republic.

Louisiana has always been a Banana Republic. We kinda like it dat way.

30 years ago ?

That is when she claims the alleged rape happened. She did not make
that public until 2019. But that is her claim.

C'mon man, I think she is looking for a payday or to sell her book of fiction in hopes it will out sell Fifty Shades of Gray.

If the jurors believe her story she likely wins a big payday.
But Trump would still be a free man under our system of justice,
as this is not a criminal trial.

I am no psychoanalyst but the way she talks about rape with how she believes
most other peoples definition is defined is really troublesome.

It makes no difference what you, me, or anybody else believes.
Only who are what the members of the jury believe.

Meaning: It is a real problem in the persuasion & convincing departments due
to the obvious norms.

There are no "obvious norms" in this kind of trial.

Such an individual who as gone through such an ordeal wouldn't care how other people define it.

The defamation in this case is for his remarks after he was president. Remember, this is a civil case, not criminal.

There is a second defamation case for his remarks while he was
president. As such, the fun is only beginning as this one comes
to end ...

For this reason alone her words are very questionable and suspicious.

Not to worry. He is not being charged or tried criminally. It is a
civil case and he can only be found liable.

"I think most people think of rape as being sexy... think of the fantasies."

I have no idea if Trump is or is not a sado/machochist. Nor do I
care. What he and Melania do in the bedroom is up to them.

Nope. Never happened.

I wouldn't know. I'm not into watching such antics.

This has nothing to do with Left vs Right, as the matter is not
political.

Yeah? and I have a bridge I could sell you in Brooklyn.

I have one in New Orleans to sell you (or anybody else).

Donald Trump is a man who has been accused of having committed
a heinous act against a woman inside a department store. Even though
this a civil case rather than criminal, the damage he has done to
her reputation was very costly and can never be fully restored.

What about his, look at all the which-hunts that have gone absolutely
no where.

That was then. This is now. And the prosecuter has finished her
closing arguments. 11 witnesses. And the defense rests, not having
a case, having presented no witneeses, and Trump refusing to take
the stand.

But hey. It is guaranteed he will not be convicted.
After all, this is not a criminal trial.

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Hello Alan,

She said..

"I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the
fantasies."

I don't agree with her statement about what most people think about rape
but

never said "rape is sexy".

Do you think that someone who didn't think that "rape was sexy" would say
such a thing as what you quote her as saying? I would certainly not
expect them to say such a thing, nor would I ever make such an odd
statement as she did.

She never said "rape is sexy". Gregory said she did, but in fact she did not.

Gregory was quoting Donald Trump in his deposition with Carroll's
attorney, Roberta Kaplan -

Trump: "She actually indicated that she loved it. Okay? In fact,
I think she said it was sexy, didn't she? She said it was very sexy
to be raped."

Kaplan: "So, sir, I just want to confirm:- It's your testimony that
E. Jean Carrol said that she loved being sexually assaulted by you?"

Trump: "Well, based on her interview with Anderson Cooper, I believe
that's what took place."

You see, Gregory was attempting to tell us all that Donald Trump
lied in his deposition. This can easily be shown by viewing a
transcript of the interview between E. Jean Carroll and Anderson
Cooper. Or watching it on YouTube.

Men who make such statements as she apparently did are considered sick.

When your a star you can do that, apparently.

Donald Trump said a star can grab 'em by the ...

Melania, who was preggers at the time with Barron, was not amused.

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She said..

"I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the fantasies.

I don't agree with her statement about what most people think about rape bu

never said "rape is sexy".

Do you think that someone who didn't think that "rape was sexy" would say such a thing as what you quote her as saying? I would certainly not expect them to say such a thing, nor would I ever make such an odd statement as she
did.

She never said "rape is sexy". Gregory said she did, but in fact she did not.

What I said was do you think that someone who didn't think "rape was sexy" would say "I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the fantasies" (what you quoted her as saying.

I don't think they would say what she really said unless they believe what Gregory said she said. Otherwise, why would they expect others to know
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Trump: "She actually indicated that she loved it. Okay? In fact,
I think she said it was sexy, didn't she? She said it was very sexy
to be raped."

She never indicated anything of the sort. This is just another lie of so many.

Kaplan: "So, sir, I just want to confirm:- It's your testimony that
E. Jean Carrol said that she loved being sexually assaulted by you?"

Trump: "Well, based on her interview with Anderson Cooper, I believe
that's what took place."

I believe it too!

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She never said "rape is sexy". Gregory said she did, but in fact she did not.

What I said was do you think that someone who didn't think "rape was sexy" would say "I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the fantasies" (what you quoted her as saying.

I don't think they would say what she really said unless they believe what Gregory said she said. Otherwise, why would they expect others to know
what kind of fantasies they have about it?

E Jean Carroll never said "rape is sexy". I'm sorry, she just didn't.

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Mike Powell -> ALAN IANSON formulated on Tuesday :

[..]

She never said "rape is sexy". Gregory said she did, but in fact AI>she

did not.

What I said was do you think that someone who didn't think "rape
was sexy" would say "I think most people think of rape as being
sexy... Think of the fantasies" (what you quoted her as saying).

I don't think they would say what she really said unless they
believe what Gregory said she said. Otherwise, why would they
expect others to know what kind of fantasies they have about it?

What did she actually say? Let's take a look -

In an interview with Anderson Cooper, this is what she said -

"This was not sexual ... I think most people think of rape as being
sexy. Think of the fantasies." ~E. Jean Carroll

She was speaking of the PERCEPTION of many people. To put things
more clearly, so even MAGA nutjobs can understand -

"THEY think of the fantasies."

Is that enough? Or how about a bit more from that same interview?

"I have no idea. I do not know if the president ejaculated.
I have no idea." ~E. Jean Carroll

Jeez. Must have been some fantasy. Sounds like she had a really
fun time with the president doing whatever he wanted with his new
plaything.

Want to move on to Trump's false claims (lies) during his deposition
with Carroll's lawyer, Roberta Kaplan? Here are a few quotes -

Trump: "She actually indicated that she loved it. Okay? In fact,
I think she said it was sexy, didn't she? She said it was very sexy
to be raped."

Kaplan: "So, sir, I just want to confirm:- It's your testimony that
E. Jean Carroll said that she loved being sexually assaulted by you?"

Trump: "Well, based on her interview with Anderson Cooper, I believe
that's what took place."

It took less than 3 hours for the jury to find Trump liable for
battery and defamation. Although the jury said Trump did not rape
Carroll, it did say he sexually abused her.

$5 million awarded for damages.

"I have no idea. I do not know if the president ejaculated."
~ E. Jean Carroll, in interview with Anderson Cooper

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That is what he says, over and over again.

its true.

The jury will reach a verdict soon.

in a civil case - that finds someone 'liable', not guily.

all the while the right hand is hiding the biden/hunter/family stinker.



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The jury will reach a verdict soon.

in a civil case - that finds someone 'liable', not guily.

He was found liable, for something around $5,000.000.

all the while the right hand is hiding the biden/hunter/family stinker.

biden/hunter/family stinker?

What has Hunter done? And whatever that is what has it got to do with Biden?

If biden/hunter/family stinker has done anything charge them and present the evidence in court.

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Hello Alan,

Trump: "She actually indicated that she loved it. Okay? In fact,
I think she said it was sexy, didn't she? She said it was very sexy
to be raped."

She never indicated anything of the sort.

Trump said she did. He even confirmed it. In a deposition to
Carroll's lawyer, Roberta Kaplan.

This is just another lie of so many.

How many is so many? Far too many for me to count, but somebody
has to have been keeping score. Unless that person has run out of
paper, or pencils, to keep score.

Kaplan: "So, sir, I just want to confirm:- It's your testimony that
E. Jean Carrol said that she loved being sexually assaulted by you?"

Trump: "Well, based on her interview with Anderson Cooper, I believe
that's what took place."

I believe it too!

So did the jury, which found him liable for battery, defamation,
and sexual assault. Not rape, but sexual assault. How much was the
award? $5 million. Presumably USD, not monopoly money.

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Hello Alan,

She never said "rape is sexy". Gregory said she did, but in fact she did
not.

What I said was do you think that someone who didn't think "rape was sexy"
would say "I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the
fantasies" (what you quoted her as saying.

I don't think they would say what she really said unless they believe what
Gregory said she said. Otherwise, why would they expect others to know
what kind of fantasies they have about it?

E Jean Carroll never said "rape is sexy". I'm sorry, she just didn't.

Trump said she did. Isn't that enough?

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E Jean Carroll never said "rape is sexy". I'm sorry, she just didn't.

Correct, moron, I am not disagreeing with you. For someone who will deny saying something when it is quoted back directly to him, and will even edit
it out of messages to make it look like he never said it, you sure seem
stuck on exactly what others say.

What YOU said she said was:

"I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the
fantasies"

I don't see a difference. Gregory does not see a difference. Both

"Rape is sexy"

and

"I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the fantasies"

Are very odd things to say. I doubt very many people think of it as being
sexy or something to fantasize about, and if a man made either statement,
he would be called out for being sick.

I don't see a difference that it was a woman who said it. I still think it
is sick. Aside from pointing out that Gregory got the quote wrong, you've
not proven that Ms. Carroll does not have something psychologically wrong
going on.


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The jury will reach a verdict soon.

in a civil case - that finds someone 'liable', not guily.

Alan has an issue distinguishing between the two. Trump will have to pay
the plantiff, not go to jail, and it does not prove guilt.

all the while the right hand is hiding the biden/hunter/family stinker.

In this case, wouldn't that be the left hand doing the hiding? ;)

I am not sure that Joe Biden is lying when he says that he never met with Hunter's business associates, even though (per visitor logs) they visited
him at the White House while he was VP. I doubt he remembers, so I am not
sure that really makes him a liar, even if what he says is untrue. He may honestly believe it never happened because his mind is leaving him.


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Alan has an issue distinguishing between the two.

You are gossiping again.

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Hello Alan,

The jury will reach a verdict soon.

in a civil case - that finds someone 'liable', not guily.

He was found liable, for something around $5,000.000.

Battery, defamation, sexual assault.

all the while the right hand is hiding the biden/hunter/family stinker.

biden/hunter/family stinker?

What has Hunter done? And whatever that is what has it got to do with Biden?

He owns guns.
He has a love child.
He paid his taxes late.
And he is a Biden.

If biden/hunter/family stinker has done anything charge them and present the
evidence in court.

Hunter admitted he owns guns.
Hunter admitted he has a love child.
Hunter admitted he paid his taxes.
Hunter admitted he is a Biden.

I guess that makes him guilty as charged.
Just like HIllary Clinton.

Lock 'em up.

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Hello Paul,

That is what he says, over and over again.

its true.

The jury will reach a verdict soon.

in a civil case - that finds someone 'liable', not guily.

Guilty as hell, but with no conviction as it was a civil trial.
That is the way justice is done in the USA - rather than in places
such as Russia.

all the while the right hand is hiding the biden/hunter/family stinker.

The right to own guns, having a love child, and paying taxes late
will always get the MAGA nutjobs chanting.

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Nello Mike,

E Jean Carroll never said "rape is sexy". I'm sorry, she just didn't.

Correct, moron, I am not disagreeing with you.

Donald Trump said it. But at least he did not call anybody "moron".

For someone who will deny saying something when it is quoted back directly to him,

I quoted what Trump said to ALL, and nobody bothered to contest.

and will even edit it out of messages to make it look like he never said it,

Podnuh, Trump's quote can be found online all over the place.

you sure seem stuck on exactly what others say.

I hate to bust your bubble, but nobody gives a flying fuck what
you say. It is Trump who said those words, whether you and others
want to admit it or not.

What YOU said she said was:

"I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the
fantasies"

I don't see a difference. Gregory does not see a difference.

She was speaking of the PERCEPTION of many people.

Both

"Rape is sexy"

and

"I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the fantasies"

Are very odd things to say.

Not at all. Right to the point -

"This is not sexual ... I think most people think of rape as being
sexy... Think of the fantasies." ~E. Jean Carroll

Carroll's comment was perfectly understandable to most folks,
except perhaps for the mentally deranged. It is, in fact, the
PERCEPTION of most folks of many people (both male and female).

I doubt very many people think of it as being sexy or something to fantasize
about, and if a man made either statement, he would be called out for being
sick.

Do you beat your meat? Be honest. You're a guy. And even if
you're not, we all know you do.

Telling the truth is something some folks are unable to do.
Accepting the truth is even harder. Especially for those same
folks.

I don't see a difference that it was a woman who said it.

E. Jean Carroll claims she is a rape victim, and that it was
Donald Trump who raped her. Rape is a crime of violence, not of
passion. It is usually women who are raped rather than men. And
it is a PERCEPTION of most people (male or female) of rape as
being sexy.

So yes, there is a difference as to who makes such a comment.
Far more so if it is a woman rather than a man.

I still think it is sick.

And usually violent. Very violent. And sometimes deadly.
But never sexy, as pertaining to Donald Trump's false claim
(lie) as to what she said.

Aside from pointing out that Gregory got the quote wrong, you've
not proven that Ms. Carroll does not have something psychologically wrong going on.

It took the jury less than three hours to figure that out and
render its verdict. $5 million award. Battery, defamation, including
sexual assault.

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The jury will reach a verdict soon.

in a civil case - that finds someone 'liable', not guily.

Alan has an issue distinguishing between the two.

In a civil trial, there is no conviction.

Trump will have to pay the plantiff, not go to jail, and it does not prove guilt.

Civil cases are based on the preponderance of the evidence,
not beyond a reasonable doubt.

The presiding judge gave Trump a choice - to plead "guilty"
or "not guilty". Trump decided to plead "not guilty".

The prosecution proved its case, and the jury found Trump liable
for battery, defamation, including sexual assault.

Those are the facts.

GUILTY AS CHARGED.

That was the verdict of the jury.

Whether it was a just verdict might be an open question.

But most folks would call it a slam dunk.

The rest of MP's blathering nonsense deleted.

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spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: What's really happeni <=-

E Jean Carroll never said "rape is sexy". I'm sorry, she just didn't.

What YOU said she said was:

"I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the
fantasies"

I don't see a difference. Gregory does not see a difference. Both

"Rape is sexy"

There is a big difference.

If she had said "rape is sexy", that would be her belief. But when she
says "I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the
fantasies". She is then saying that others believe that, not that she
does.

Consider the difference between the following two statements:
Donald Trump never lies
and
Some people belive that Donald Trump never lies.

They do not mean the same thing.

Dale Shipp
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Some people belive that Donald Trump never lies.

What I believe is, now proven as Fact, Trump can not get a fare venue in NYC. I would rather win the WAR, then worry about a skirmish that these lefty blow-hards are dancing in the streets over E. Jean Carroll.
As Carroll could not remember the year of the alleged whatever it was.
It is important to remain focused because if Biden wins in 2024, it could mean the end of everything.

Anyway, Trump will appeal the verdict, so I wouldn't be rushing out to Wal*Mart $5.00 DVD bins to filter through for your very own copy of Footloose from 1984 just yet...

By the way, speaking of Lies, it's coming.
The Truth that Biden lied repeatably, when he said he knew nothing of Hunter's foreign business dealings, he did know and there is a paper trail of
documents that prove that the "Biden Crime Syndicate" has profited from them.

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Alan has an issue distinguishing between the two. Trump will have to
pay the plantiff, not go to jail, and it does not prove guilt.

And he's appealing. Since there is 0 evidence, it's probable that he'll pay nothing, or at least, significantly less.

I am not sure that Joe Biden is lying when he says that he never met
with Hunter's business associates, even though (per visitor logs) they visited him at the White House while he was VP. I doubt he remembers,
so I am not sure that really makes him a liar, even if what he says is untrue. He may honestly believe it never happened because his mind is leaving him.

I think that's the wrong tense. It should be "has left him". And probably left him a long, long time ago.

I wonder how he will explain all those holding companies and unexplained cash inflows that they found in the bank records.


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Hello Dale,

E Jean Carroll never said "rape is sexy". I'm sorry, she just didn't.

What YOU said she said was:

"I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the
fantasies"

I don't see a difference. Gregory does not see a difference. Both

"Rape is sexy"

There is a big difference.

If she had said "rape is sexy", that would be her belief.

"Rape is sexy." ~Donald Trump

"I do not know if the president ejaculated. I do not know."
~E. Jean Carroll

But when she says "I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the fantasies".

"This was not sexual... I think most people think of rape as being
sexy. Think of the fantasies." ~E. Jean Carroll

She is then saying that others believe that, not that she
does.

THEY think of the fantasies. She was speaking of the PERCEPTION
of many people. Both men and women.

Consider the difference between the following two statements:
Donald Trump never lies
and
Some people belive that Donald Trump never lies.

MAGA nutjobs know that Donald Trump never lies.
After all, that is what he told them.

They do not mean the same thing.

Donald Trump's lie about E. Jean Carroll can be shown by
viewing the interview between her and Anderson Cooper.

At no point did E. Jean Carroll say "Rape is sexy."

But Donald Trump did, in another interview. [spokesman.com]

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Hello Greg,

Some people belive that Donald Trump never lies.

What I believe is, now proven as Fact, Trump can not get a fare venue in NYC.

Civil cases are based on the preponderance of the evidence, not
beyond a reasonable doubt.

This is true in NYC, as well as New Orleans and everyplace else.

It took the 9 members of the jury less than three hours to reach
a verdict. And we all know that verdict was unanimous.

I would rather win the WAR, then worry about a skirmish that these lefty blow-hards are dancing in the streets over E. Jean Carroll.

Brittany Griner had a trial in Mad Vlad's kangaroo court.
You applauded Mad Vlad, wishing he was your own judge, jury,
and executioner.

As Carroll could not remember the year of the alleged whatever it was.
It is important to remain focused because if Biden wins in 2024, it could mean the end of everything.

If somebody had raped you 30 years ago you would most likely want
to forget all about the incident and hope to put it out of your head completely. But you can't. Why not? You want justice. You want the
creep who did it to pay for what he did. Dearly.

Anyway, Trump will appeal the verdict, so I wouldn't be rushing out to Wal*Mart $5.00 DVD bins to filter through for your very own copy of Footloose from 1984 just yet...

Like any creep, he does have the right to appeal. That does not mean
he will be granted his wish to have the jury's verdict thrown out.

By the way, speaking of Lies, it's coming.

"Rape is sexy." ~Donald Trump [spokesman.com]

The Truth that Biden lied repeatably, when he said he knew nothing of Hunter's foreign business dealings, he did know and there is a paper trail of
documents that prove that the "Biden Crime Syndicate" has profited from them.

What charges have been filed against Hunter Biden?
None that I know of. And none that anybody else knows of.
But maybe you know about some that nobody else has ever
heard of ...

What charges have been filed against Hillary Clinton?
None that I know of ...

Aw, hell. Just lock everybody up and be done with it.
That way, we can all play president and family members
and have a day.

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Hello Ron,

Alan has an issue distinguishing between the two. Trump will have to
pay the plantiff, not go to jail, and it does not prove guilt.

And he's appealing. Since there is 0 evidence, it's probable that he'll pay
nothing, or at least, significantly less.

Liar, liar, pants on fire!

"Rape is sexy." ~Donald Trump

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If she had said "rape is sexy", that would be her belief. But when she
says "I think most people think of rape as being sexy... Think of the
fantasies". She is then saying that others believe that, not that she
does.

Consider the difference between the following two statements:
Donald Trump never lies
and
Some people belive that Donald Trump never lies.

They do not mean the same thing.

Your examples don't. I would also agree that there is a difference between what she said if she'd stopped before "...think of the fantasies."

To use your examples, but to fix one so that it actually fits the scenario.

Donald Trump never lies
and
Some people belive that Donald Trump never lies... think of the untruths.

For the second one, wouldn't you agree that was likely said by someone who thinks he *does* lie? I am sure that Gregory would not ask you to think of the untruths unless he believed Donald had told a few. Sounds a lot more like something you would say rather than Gregory.

Similarly, I would not tell someone to "think of the fantasies" when it
comes to something I don't and cannot see as a fantasy myself.

So I might have said, as a younger man:

"Some people find twins/redheads/policewomen sexy, think of the fantasies."

I would never say:

"Some people think being choked is sexy, think of the fantasies," because I don't think it is sexy and don't fantasize about it. Even though I do know people who think it *is* sexy, I would not ask you to "think of the
fantasies" because I do not share their enthusiasm in something that could
end in brain damage, death, or prison.


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On 05-11-23 07:32, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What's really happen <=-

Some people believe that Donald Trump never lies.

What I believe is, now proven as Fact, Trump can not get a fare venue
in NYC.

How is that proven as fact -- he got a trial by jury of his peers, and
was found liable. That is a fact, and it was a fare trial.

It is important to remain focused because if Biden wins in
2024, it could mean the end of everything.

Wrong -- it would mean the continuation of good for the nation.

Anyway, Trump will appeal the verdict, so I wouldn't be
rushing out to Wal*Mart $5.00 DVD bins to filter through
for your very own copy of Footloose from 1984 just yet...

I'm certain he will appeal, but whether he wins his appeals or not is uncertain.

Dale Shipp
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On 12 May 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 05-11-23 07:32, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What's really happen <=-

Some people believe that Donald Trump never lies.

What I believe is, now proven as Fact, Trump can not get a fare venue in NYC.

How is that proven as fact -- he got a trial by jury of his peers, and
was found liable. That is a fact, and it was a fare trial.

A trial is based on facts and evidence, there was none it was her word against his and there was nothing more, no cameras, no reports from the store, the dressing room in this exclusive store are placed near the front of the store near the registers, surely with all that alleged ruckus with getting it on, someone would of heard something?

It is important to remain focused because if Biden wins in
2024, it could mean the end of everything.

Wrong -- it would mean the continuation of good for the nation.

This should prove to be interesting..
What has Biden accomplished?

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Similarly, I would not tell someone to "think of the fantasies" when it comes to something I don't and cannot see as a fantasy myself.

Bullshit.

So I might have said, as a younger man:

"Some people find twins/redheads/policewomen sexy, think of the fantasies."

You forgot the first four words of E. Jean Carroll's statement -

"This was not sexual ..."

I would never say:

"Some people think being choked is sexy, think of the fantasies," because I
don't think it is sexy and don't fantasize about it.

Rape is a crime of violence, not of passion.
Sado-masochism is an act of pleasure for some folks.
Please do note the difference.

Even though I do know people who think it *is* sexy,

Kinky, kinky. But then, no surprise coming from you.

I would not ask you to "think of the fantasies" because I do not share their
enthusiasm in something that could end in brain damage, death, or prison.

Birds of a feather flock together ...

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On 05-12-23 07:43, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What's really happen <=-

What I believe is, now proven as Fact, Trump can
not get a fare venue
in NYC.

How is that proven as fact -- he got a trial by jury of his peers, and
was found liable. That is a fact, and it was a fair trial.

A trial is based on facts and evidence, there was none it
was her word against his and there was nothing more, no

There was more. There was testimony from other witnesses. There was
evidence from Trump's own word (e.g. The access hollywood tapes) which
showed a pattern of behavior. It was enough evidence for the jury to
return a verdict for her.

cameras, no reports from the store, the dressing room in
this exclusive store are placed near the front of the store
near the registers, surely with all that alleged ruckus
with getting it on, someone would of heard something?

You are talking about something from many years ago. Had the event been reported to the police and if they investigated, then they might have discovered things such as you allude to.

It is important to remain focused because if Biden wins in
2024, it could mean the end of everything.

Wrong -- it would mean the continuation of good for the nation.

This should prove to be interesting..
What has Biden accomplished?

To just mention the major things -- two important infrastructure bills
that will help to repair roads, to rebuild bridges, and put America on
the road to independence from fossil fuels.

Dale Shipp
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On 13 May 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

There was more. There was testimony from other witnesses. There was evidence from Trump's own word (e.g. The access hollywood tapes) which showed a pattern of behavior. It was enough evidence for the jury to return a verdict for her.

The access hollywood tapes? Really Dale? Let's have a honest conversation concerning these tapes and why a private conversation was put out on a national broadcast television in the first place, it was thought that by broadcasting these tapes it would assuredly end Trump but it didn't to your complete surprise I'm sure.

Oh and by the way Trump was NOT charged with Rape.
Testimony from witnesses? stop it. Was it alleged group sex, cause that is the only way to be sure. Hogwash, it was corrupt court and that is all.
Trump will continue with the appeal.

Let me tell you about something that happened to me it was with someone so charged with TDS and a complete lunatic. This occurred to me during the Kavanaugh investigation, when I was working as a contractor for Momentive silicone (formerly GE silicones). I shared an office with a young lady who was a staunch liberal, covered in tats and even had green hair. like most of these deranged individuals she just couldn't keep those strong liberal emotions to herself.
(listening to Seth Rogen podcast in the office like borg drone getting programed with daily drivel didn't help matters.)

She was bottled up and charged from within.
Me that's different Hell yes, I was then as I am now an Ultra Conservative, but that never meant that I would be spouting off at the mouth, nor did it mean sporting a MAGA t-shirt or even a red cap to match.
Nope more like khakis and a nice botton-down oxford shirt.

Anyway back to what happened to me, this young lady had a liberal outburst as she actually said to me, "what if someone excused you of a sexual assault?" & then went on to tell me That it would would destroy you" she said.

I reported her comments, it did nothing.
So, I resigned within 3 days from that conversation - took time off too. As I thought about it what would stop this nutcase from running out of the ladies bathroom intentionally ripping her own skirt, claiming that I did it. Yeah, No!

I can agree to disagree, I have that control, liberals have no such control and want to destroy you, previously they used to be great defenders of speech. Not anymore so it would seem.

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On 05-15-23 19:30, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What's really happen <=-

On 13 May 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

There was more. There was testimony from other witnesses. There was evidence from Trump's own word (e.g. The access hollywood tapes) which showed a pattern of behavior. It was enough evidence for the jury to return a verdict for her.

The access hollywood tapes? Really Dale? Let's have a honest
conversation concerning these tapes and why a private conversation was put out on a national broadcast television in the first
place, it was thought that by broadcasting these tapes it
would assuredly end Trump but it didn't to your complete
surprise I'm sure.

It was not a private conversation. It was recorded as part of an event
of some kind. It did not damage Trump at the time -- he laughed it off.
But, in this trial it was part of the evidence which showed a pattern of behavior. That is something that is quite admissible in a trial.

Oh and by the way Trump was NOT charged with Rape.

Actually, I think that the charges did include rape, but the jury did
only found him liable for the lessor charge of sexual assault.

Testimony from witnesses? stop it. Was it alleged group
sex, cause that is the only way to be sure. Hogwash, it was
corrupt court and that is all.

The witness testimony had to do with contemporary description of the
event, again something that is admissible evidence in a trial. Granted
that it is not as strong as DNA from a rape kit.

Trump will continue with the appeal.

I'm sure he will -- but will he succeed?

Let me tell you about something that happened to me it was with

We are not talking about you.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

I reported her comments, it did nothing.
So, I resigned within 3 days from that conversation - took time off
too. As I thought about it what would stop this nutcase from running
out of the ladies bathroom intentionally ripping her own skirt,
claiming that I did it. Yeah, No!

This is the reason why certain high-visibility computer people will ALWAYS be escorted when at a convention. It's not a courtesy. It's to prevent the possibility of false allegations like you describe.


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Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

Oh and by the way Trump was NOT charged with Rape.
Testimony from witnesses? stop it. Was it alleged group sex, cause that
is the only way to be sure. Hogwash, it was corrupt court and that is
all. Trump will continue with the appeal.

Remember that the Ignorant Elitists will never let facts get in the way of a good Narrative.


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It was not a private conversation. It was recorded as part of an event
of some kind. It did not damage Trump at the time -- he laughed it off. But, in this trial it was part of the evidence which showed a pattern of behavior. That is something that is quite admissible in a trial.

No Trump did not laugh it off in-fact he apologized for it, Trump referred to what was said as locker-room talk as I recall.
You want to get Trump so bad, so you come up with these sick fantasies where as the Hollywood Access Tape was falsely used as a justification to prove your bogus TDS narrative.

Billy Bush recorded Trump on the Bus before any event began.

This statement is from Billy Bush
"It's no excuse, but this happened eleven years ago -- I was younger, less mature, and acted foolishly in playing along. I'm very sorry," Bush said in a statement. Before the statement was released by NBC, angry comments piled up on Bush's Facebook page from viewers who were disgusted by the contents of the tape"

We are not talking about you.

Omit or not include what I have said, that's fine Dale, that is the awesome thing about Fidonet, it's out there and others can see what I said and even comment on it.

There was a point within that which you have chosen to ignore.
I think that most know where I was going and the type of people on the left that I was pointing at.

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On 16 May 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

Oh and by the way Trump was NOT charged with Rape.

Since it was civil court, he technically was not charged with anything.

Anyway back to what happened to me, this young lady had a liberal outburs
she actually said to me, "what if someone excused you of a sexual assault
en went on to tell me That it would would destroy you" she said.

She sounds more than a little off.

Yup she certainly was, Initially she part of the cleaning staff w/ Janitronics but the reliability department had a vacancy due to my former co-worker who was out for an extended period of time due to lime disease.
Kinda of ironic when you think about it where as one person is out sick with lime disease and then management goes ahead and brings someone in who is
sicker.

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Oh and by the way Trump was NOT charged with Rape.

Since it was civil court, he technically was not charged with anything.

Anyway back to what happened to me, this young lady had a liberal outburst as she actually said to me, "what if someone excused you of a sexual assault?" & en went on to tell me That it would would destroy you" she said.

She sounds more than a little off.


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Hello Greg,

It was not a private conversation. It was recorded as part of an

event

of some kind. It did not damage Trump at the time -- he laughed it

off.

But, in this trial it was part of the evidence which showed a pattern

of

behavior. That is something that is quite admissible in a trial.

No Trump did not laugh it off in-fact he apologized for it, Trump referred to what was said as locker-room talk as I recall.
You want to get Trump so bad, so you come up with these sick fantasies where as the Hollywood Access Tape was falsely used as a justification to prove your bogus TDS narrative.

Here is the full transcript - showing ALL of Trump's comments,
uncut and unedited - leaving you and others with no excuse -

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321


Please keep in mind your orange hero said those words as his
wife (Melania) was preggers with Barron.

What a fine and decent presidential candidate you had there -
shown to the entire nation on television for who and what he is.

And to think you (and others) actually voted for that moron.

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Oh and by the way Trump was NOT charged with Rape.

Since it was civil court, he technically was not charged with
anything.

Differences between criminal charges and civil charges -

* Some charges are criminal - meaning there was a crime committd
against the state

* Some charges are civil - meaning there is a dispute between two
individuals

Since this was a civil case, Trump could not be convicted.
But he was held liable, as the jury found him guilty as sin.

Hope that helps clear things up.

Have a great day.

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On 17 May 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

No Trump did not laugh it off in-fact he apologized for it, Trump ref to what was said as locker-room talk as I recall.
You want to get Trump so bad, so you come up with these sick fantasies
where as the Hollywood Access Tape was falsely used as a justification
prove your bogus TDS narrative.

I am not saying it was not indicated by Trump, just that it did not have any relevance with the recent case w/ E. Jean Carrol, because if that is to be thought of and used then so should his apology also get to be considered as well. I know you want to make this bigger then it is, but he did go on from this to be President w/ many accomplishments.

Here is the full transcript - showing ALL of Trump's comments,
uncut and unedited - leaving you and others with no excuse -

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321

There is no great prize you, no victory, no one up on me or anyone like me.

Who cares what was said those many years ago.
I was not debating those words above within your link but THIS was said also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA597Kn5iPk

I could go into the many Great things Trump has done while President, but you wouldn't be interested in any of that.

Additionally something tells me also that you don't to talk about the
absolute train wreck that has been the Biden Administration.

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