Is it obvious yet that virtually everything you're angry about isn't what you think it is? Why do you suppose that is?

* New York does not have only one type of bail.
* Sexual assault is not eligible for cashless bail in New York.
* The scope of executive orders is limited to executive branch employees.
* There is no evidence whatsoever that "leftists" tried to bribe Trump to keep some secret about COVID.
* Nancy Pelosi did not forbid the deployment of the National Guard on 1/6.
* There are black people in Texas, and they participate in politics.
* Biden didn't say that white people are the greatest threat to America.
* Biden didn't issue an executive order mandating COVID vaccinations for employees of all companies with more than 100 employees.

And that's just from the last few days.

Jeff.

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On 13 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

Is it obvious yet that virtually everything you're angry about isn't
what you think it is? Why do you suppose that is?

* New York does not have only one type of bail.
* Sexual assault is not eligible for cashless bail in New York.
* The scope of executive orders is limited to executive branch employees.

You seem to be in New York State of mind..
Outrageous , yeah it is..

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On 16 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

Is it obvious yet that virtually everything you're angry about isn't what you think it is? Why do you suppose that is?
* New York does not have only one type of bail.
* Sexual assault is not eligible for cashless bail in New York.
* The scope of executive orders is limited to executive branch employ

You seem to be in New York State of mind..

Welcome back. Lately I've been in a fact-checking state of mind, actually.

Outrageous , yeah it is..

The scope of Aaron's level of ignorance is indeed outrageous, as is his apparent belief that "psychics" and his "imagination" are credible sources.

I assume you've resurfaced due to Aaron's post in ALL-POLITICS, where he asserted that asking someone to prove their claims is "rude." It's not, and
is actually covered in the Echo Policies:

Fidonet POLITICS Echo Policies
Updated 25 July 2021
[...]
PUSU ("put up or shut up"; basically show proof of the facts you're using
to backup your argument) is in force here. However, in this day and age
of the Internet and the World Wide Web, fact-checking can be done at any
time by anyone.

Jeff.

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On 16 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

On 16 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

Is it obvious yet that virtually everything you're angry about i what you think it is? Why do you suppose that is?
* New York does not have only one type of bail.
* Sexual assault is not eligible for cashless bail in New York. * The scope of executive orders is limited to executive branch e

You seem to be in New York State of mind..

Welcome back. Lately I've been in a fact-checking state of mind,
actually.

Well Thanks.
I have had lot going on with work, and it demands many hours of my time.

Outrageous , yeah it is..

The scope of Aaron's level of ignorance is indeed outrageous, as is his apparent belief that "psychics" and his "imagination" are credible sources.

I assume you've resurfaced due to Aaron's post in ALL-POLITICS, where he asserted that asking someone to prove their claims is "rude." It's not, and is actually covered in the Echo Policies:

Fidonet POLITICS Echo Policies
Updated 25 July 2021
[...]
PUSU ("put up or shut up"; basically show proof of the facts you're
using to backup your argument) is in force here. However, in this day
and age of the Internet and the World Wide Web, fact-checking can be
done at any time by anyone.

Accept of course the narrative does not fit your liberal generalities.
Then it's crickets...
As I recall I have warned you in the early days of Biden Administration as I said then it was going to be a disaster, since we last have spared over this very subject.

It gives no pleasure, to say that I was all this time. Just look all that has happened since we last spoke? It has been nothing short of a cluster_fu*k. Hasn't? Are you about to tell me that these "worst of times" has nothing to do with Joe Biden? Perhaps you will tell me that someone else is to blame.
Well I guess, I'm just going to have to wait and see.

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On 16 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

On 16 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

I assume you've resurfaced due to Aaron's post in ALL-POLITICS, where asserted that asking someone to prove their claims is "rude." It's no and is actually covered in the Echo Policies:

Accept of course the narrative does not fit your liberal generalities. Then it's crickets...

That makes no sense.

As I recall I have warned you in the early days of Biden Administration
as I said then it was going to be a disaster, since we last have spared over this very subject.

It's not perfect, but it's not nearly the disaster that the Trump administration was, especially in its waning days.

It gives no pleasure, to say that I was all this time. Just look all
that has happened since we last spoke? It has been nothing short of a cluster_fu*k. Hasn't? Are you about to tell me that these "worst of
times" has nothing to do with Joe Biden? Perhaps you will tell me that someone else is to blame. Well I guess, I'm just going to have to wait
and see.

It not nearly the "cluster_fu*k" that the previous administration was. The January 6 hearings are putting that on full display. And before you complain about partisanship, you should know that every witness testimony and every deposition video has featured Republicans. Every single one.

They also utterly trashed your previous assertion that there was proof of widespread election fraud. Trump's family knew there was none, his aides knew there was none, his campaign knew there was none, his lawyers knew there was none, and Trump knew that there was none. The only people who thought such proof existed were Trump's supporters, because he lied to them and they believed him.

Jeff.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

It gives no pleasure, to say that I was all this time. Just look all
that has happened since we last spoke? It has been nothing short of a cluster_fu*k. Hasn't?

It has, but Jeff would never admit that - least of all to himself.

Are you about to tell me that these "worst of
times" has nothing to do with Joe Biden?

Bet ya he does.

Perhaps you will tell me that someone else is to blame.

That's been their Narrative since Day 1 of the Biden Regime. First it was blame it on Trump. Well, that wears after a while, especially since Trump was not in office anymore. Then they blamed Putin, later Ukraine.

But that's normal for Lefties: Blame everyone/everything other than their repeatedly failed policies for the ills that they caused.

Well I guess, I'm just going to have to wait and see.

If you expect Jeff to admit his error, you'll wait forever since Lefties will go to their graves insisting that they were right - no matter how much evidence to the contrary.

If you expect Jeff to pin the blame on someone/something else, you won't wait long at all.


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On 17 Jun 2022, Ron L. said the following...

It gives no pleasure, to say that I was all this time. Just look all that has happened since we last spoke? It has been nothing short of a cluster_fu*k. Hasn't?

It has, but Jeff would never admit that - least of all to himself.

The American people were given two choices: a ho-hum Democrat or a despotic wanna-be dictator. They chose wisely.

Are you about to tell me that these "worst of
times" has nothing to do with Joe Biden?

Bet ya he does.

Biden was the better choice. Maybe if Republicans had come up with someone better than Trump, things would be different. But they didn't.

Perhaps you will tell me that someone else is to blame.

That's been their Narrative since Day 1 of the Biden Regime. First it
was blame it on Trump. Well, that wears after a while, especially since Trump was not in office anymore. Then they blamed Putin, later Ukraine.

It is what it is. What it's not is a Trump dictatorship.

But that's normal for Lefties: Blame everyone/everything other than their repeatedly failed policies for the ills that they caused.

Oddly enough, that's the exact position of conservatives.

Well I guess, I'm just going to have to wait and see.

If you expect Jeff to admit his error, you'll wait forever since Lefties will go to their graves insisting that they were right - no matter how much evidence to the contrary.

I've admitted when I was wrong. Have you?

If you expect Jeff to pin the blame on someone/something else, you won't wait long at all.

Nah, we had to make a choice and we made the right one.

Jeff.

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Perhaps you will tell me that someone else is to blame.

That's been their Narrative since Day 1 of the Biden Regime. First it
was blame it on Trump. Well, that wears after a while, especially since Trump was not in office anymore. Then they blamed Putin, later Ukraine.

The border crisis isn't Joe's fault; it's because of global warming. It's
like, hot in Iran. (root causes.) ;)

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On 16 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

It not nearly the "cluster_fu*k" that the previous administration was.

No new wars under Trump.
No High Inflation under Trump
No High Gas Prices under Trump
No Empty selves of Baby food in the supermarkets under Trump either.
No Blood on Trumps hands either. Plenty of hurt feelings though, with fake liberal tears.
I could sure go for a few mean tweets and gasoline back at $1.87 a gallon.

The January 6 hearings are putting that on full display. And before you complain about partisanship, you should know that every witness
testimony and every deposition video has featured Republicans. Every single one.

You mean like Liz Cheney who was caught using a doctored video with selective audio from the Donald Trump's daughter to make her baseless claims.
Cheney will be punished and her days are numbered as the 3rd Ranking House Republican Conference Chair. She will be punished because there are many things that she has done that do meet with the ideals of the Republican Party.
She is a snake and she needs to go.

They also utterly trashed your previous assertion that there was proof of widespread election fraud.

More like you just pretend like such evidence does not exist and if it does surface, what then? To save face you claim that it is fake. or call an conspiracy.
Such as the files that exist with the Dropbox that over 1GB.
yeah don't bother I already backed them up.

Greg

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On 17 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

It not nearly the "cluster_fu*k" that the previous administration was

No new wars under Trump.

No new wars under Biden.

No High Inflation under Trump

No sucking up to dictators under Biden.

No High Gas Prices under Trump

No sucking up to dictators under Biden.

No Empty selves of Baby food in the supermarkets under Trump either.

No child deaths due to bacterial contamination of baby formula factories under Trump, either.

No Blood on Trumps hands either. Plenty of hurt feelings though, with
fake liberal tears.

The January 6 insurrection is entirely on Trump's hands.

I could sure go for a few mean tweets and gasoline back at $1.87 a
gallon.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Trump was a wannabe-dictator.

The January 6 hearings are putting that on full display. And before y complain about partisanship, you should know that every witness testimony and every deposition video has featured Republicans. Every single one.

You mean like Liz Cheney who was caught using a doctored video with selective audio from the Donald Trump's daughter to make her baseless claims.

Proof?

Cheney will be punished and her days are numbered as the 3rd
Ranking House Republican Conference Chair. She will be punished because there are many things that she has done that do meet with the ideals of the Republican Party. She is a snake and she needs to go.

Cheney is no saint. But on the issue of Trump's guilt she is correct.

They also utterly trashed your previous assertion that there was proo widespread election fraud.

More like you just pretend like such evidence does not exist and if it does surface, what then? To save face you claim that it is fake. or call an conspiracy.

If it does surface? Do you mean to say that it hasn't already? Of course you do. There is no such evidence.

Such as the files that exist with the Dropbox that over 1GB.
yeah don't bother I already backed them up.

Those are debunked nonsense.

Jeff.

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On 17 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

On 17 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

It not nearly the "cluster_fu*k" that the previous administratio

No new wars under Trump.

No new wars under Biden.

(as you have pointed out previously, with the use of the Internet;
information is available within seconds. There is absolutely no way to successfully defend the actions of Joe Biden and all of the mis-steps and
wrong turns of his administration that adds up to complete stupidity.
You might want to keep this in mind as you continue to make a fool of yourself.

No new wars under Biden.

No not yet, but this geriatric fool still has 2.5 years to go before this insanity ends. Biden's weakness is very dangerous as it has and will continue to embolden and encourage enemy nation states.
Look at how Biden handled the exit in Afghanistan. Both of his hands are dripping w/puddles of blood, not to mention the many billion$ of dollars of equipment that was left behind.
Yes, there are *STILL* American's left behind in that catbox.

No sucking up to dictators under Biden.

Wrong Again.
There is no record of Biden standing up to Putin, Xi Jinping or begging like dog to the Saudis to increase oil production.

No sucking up to dictators under Biden.

As I have said there is plenty of sucking going on.
In-action and no accountability displaying cowardice & weakness with the Taliban, Putin, Xi Jinping as well as others.
Biden has declared several lines in the sand, each and everyone of those lines were crossed. He has done nothing with these strongmen, furthermore they have crossed with determination and confidence because they know that Biden's words mean nothing and are baseless.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Knock it off with this fake BS.
You suffered nothing, nor did you lose an ounce of liberty under Trump.

Explain what liberty you have lost under Trump.
The only thing you have lost is salty liberal tears as they fall onto your
lap.

The January 6 hearings are putting that on full display. And bef complain about partisanship, you should know that every witness testimony and every deposition video has featured Republicans. E single one.

You mean like Liz Cheney who was caught using a doctored video with selective audio from the Donald Trump's daughter to make her baseless claims.

Proof?

https://tinyurl.com/yck29usj
starting at 2:01 and ending at 2:30 -
It is clear of the distortion that the Committee of Jan 6th is trying to make, (remember, I have the complete transcript of what Trump said on Jan 6th.)
This committee is complete waste of time, when the record of what Trump actually said exists. Time could be spent better, correcting the complete
train wreck of the Biden Administration. I predict the election in the fall
of 2022 will be a complete implosion of the Dems and the aftermath will lead
to the destruction of the Democratic Party.
Better head-over to Wal*Mart and get your crayons now..

More food for thought that Jan 6th was a setup at
https://tinyurl.com/r6jbadmb

Cheney will be punished and her days are numbered as the 3rd
Ranking House Republican Conference Chair. She will be punished becaus there are many things that she has done that do meet with the ideals o the Republican Party. She is a snake and she needs to go.

Cheney is no saint. But on the issue of Trump's guilt she is correct.

Guilt, what guilt?
https://tinyurl.com/yuy5rkdv
You know, what this so called committee actually is?
Back stabbing M-F**kers who have a sour stomach over the fact that Trump was acquitted twice.

Such as the files that exist with the Dropbox that over 1GB.
yeah don't bother I already backed them up.

Those are debunked nonsense.

see what I mean...
Those videos within the dropbox do appear to be quite genuine and well done. not to mention also completely and totally logical. There of many undeniable facts such as people that were paid to get Democratic votes. As well as the running of ballots through *multiple times* w/counting machines. That is fraud, there is no way to escape that fact. I will put these up for download within in the BBS.

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On 18 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

No new wars under Trump.

No new wars under Biden.

(as you have pointed out previously, with the use of the Internet; information is available within seconds. There is absolutely no way to successfully defend the actions of Joe Biden and all of the mis-steps and wrong turns of his administration that adds up to complete stupidity.
You might want to keep this in mind as you continue to make a fool of yourself.

That is an extremely vague statement that does not explicitly address
anything, let alone the insinuation that Biden has started new wars.

No new wars under Biden.

No not yet, but this geriatric fool still has 2.5 years to go before this insanity ends. Biden's weakness is very dangerous as it has and will continue to embolden and encourage enemy nation states.
Look at how Biden handled the exit in Afghanistan. Both of his hands are dripping w/puddles of blood, not to mention the many billion$ of dollars of equipment that was left behind.
Yes, there are *STILL* American's left behind in that catbox.

I see. So your point that there were no new wars under Trump does not aid
your argument in any way.

No sucking up to dictators under Biden.

Wrong Again.
There is no record of Biden standing up to Putin, Xi Jinping or begging like dog to the Saudis to increase oil production.

There is no record of Biden fawning over them, either. Trump is a different story.

No sucking up to dictators under Biden.

As I have said there is plenty of sucking going on.
In-action and no accountability displaying cowardice & weakness with the Taliban, Putin, Xi Jinping as well as others.

You're claiming that Biden has not stood up to Putin, but probably also blame Biden for the consequences of crippling sanctions on Russia.

Biden has declared several lines in the sand, each and everyone of those lines were crossed. He has done nothing with these strongmen,
furthermore they have crossed with determination and confidence because they know that Biden's words mean nothing and are baseless.

That is demonstrably false, especially given the level of sanctions on Russia since the invasion of Ukraine.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Knock it off with this fake BS.

You are willing to let a would-be dictator rule the country, if it means you get your way.

You suffered nothing, nor did you lose an ounce of liberty under Trump.

Trump attempted to install himself into a second term despite the fact that
he lost the election.

Explain what liberty you have lost under Trump.

We almost lost our democracy.

The January 6 hearings are putting that on full display. An complain about partisanship, you should know that every wit testimony and every deposition video has featured Republica single one.

You mean like Liz Cheney who was caught using a doctored video w selective audio from the Donald Trump's daughter to make her bas claims.

No. Cheney is a member of the committee. I'm talking, as I believe I made clear, about the witnesses who testified and those who sat for depositions.

Proof?

https://tinyurl.com/yck29usj
starting at 2:01 and ending at 2:30 -
It is clear of the distortion that the Committee of Jan 6th is trying to make, (remember, I have the complete transcript of what Trump said on
Jan 6th.) This committee is complete waste of time, when the record of what Trump actually said exists. Time could be spent better, correcting the complete train wreck of the Biden Administration. I predict the election in the fall of 2022 will be a complete implosion of the Dems
and the aftermath will lead to the destruction of the Democratic Party. Better head-over to Wal*Mart and get your crayons now..

What Trump said is a matter of public record.

More food for thought that Jan 6th was a setup at https://tinyurl.com/r6jbadmb

Trump broke laws, committed crimes, and attempted a coup. There is
overwhelming evidence of that. Your videos are rubbish.

Guilt, what guilt?
https://tinyurl.com/yuy5rkdv
You know, what this so called committee actually is?
Back stabbing M-F**kers who have a sour stomach over the fact that Trump was acquitted twice.

They are the patriots that Trump supporters wish they were.

Such as the files that exist with the Dropbox that over 1GB. yeah don't bother I already backed them up.

Those are debunked nonsense.

see what I mean...
Those videos within the dropbox do appear to be quite genuine and well done. not to mention also completely and totally logical. There of many undeniable facts such as people that were paid to get Democratic votes.
As well as the running of ballots through *multiple times* w/counting machines. That is fraud, there is no way to escape that fact. I will put these up for download within in the BBS.

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Jeff.

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On 18 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

The January 6 hearings are putting that on full display. An complain about partisanship, you should know that every wit testimony and every deposition video has featured Republica single one.

You mean like Liz Cheney who was caught using a doctored video w selective audio from the Donald Trump's daughter to make her bas claims.

You are aware that the nation is hearing sworn testimony from multiple Trump advisors and appointees, right?

I'm sure that they would allow Trump to testify as well, were he willing, unedited and on live television carried by multiple networks.

Cheney didn't "doctor" any videos, any more than the highlight reel from a sporting event is a "doctored" video, and she certainly didn't edit anything
to make it appear that someone said something they didn't say (a la James O'Keefe). The January 6 Committee has a lot of evidence to present to the American public, and limited time in which to do so. Of course they're not going to use that precious time airing multi-hour deposition recordings. They're focusing on the portions relevant to the topic at hand.

To be honest, I don't have time to watch your tripe. The US Justice
Department, Federal Courts, and state audits and investigations (whether governmental, independent, or wildly biased toward Trump) have found any evidence of widespread voter fraud. Mike Lindell has spent millions trying to find some, but has come up empty-handed at every turn. Trump himself has not been able to provide any such proof. And yet, we're to believe that Gregory Deyss has a treasure trove of such evidence? I think not.

Jeff.

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On 06-18-22 12:43, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Outrage <=-

No sucking up to dictators under Biden.

Wrong Again.
There is no record of Biden standing up to Putin, Xi Jinping or
begging like dog to the Saudis to increase oil production.

What do you call the extensive sanctions on Russia and Putin if not
"standing up to Putin".

You mean like Liz Cheney who was caught using a doctored video with selective audio from the Donald Trump's daughter
to make her baseless
claims.

Proof?

https://tinyurl.com/yck29usj
starting at 2:01 and ending at 2:30 -

How is that proof of using a "doctored" video. It is a clip from her
testimony before the Jan6 committee.

More food for thought that Jan 6th was a setup at https://tinyurl.com/r6jbadmb

That is an article that is full of false statements and bias.

But on the issue of Trump's guilt she is correct.

Guilt, what guilt?
https://tinyurl.com/yuy5rkdv

And that article is ten months out of date. It makes statements that
are no longer true, e.g. that "no one has been charged with
insurrection". There have now been multiple convictions for seditious conspiracy.

Dale Shipp
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On 18 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

You're claiming that Biden has not stood up to Putin, but probably also blame Biden for the consequences of crippling sanctions on Russia.

Yes Putin should be held personally responsible for his actions.
Why should the Russian people have to be punished, and be made to struggle
when they are innocent in this?

That would be like holding you accountable and every other individual who
can't read the writing on the wall that the Biden regime is very un-American.

Also splendid job with intentional avoidance not answering the accusation that Spineless Biden has not stood up with strength to the Taliban or President Xi Jinping of China.

That is demonstrably false, especially given the level of sanctions on Russia since the invasion of Ukraine.

If Trump was still office Putin wouldn't of dared to invade Ukraine.
Putin did so because he knows Biden is weak and therefore no threat.

Explain what liberty you have lost under Trump.

We almost lost our democracy.

You're being overly dramatic on purpose, because you think it makes you sound smart. *OR* That is the first thing that popped into your head, and if that is the case.. That proves it, you are not as smart as you have thought.

Trump broke laws, committed crimes, and attempted a coup. There is overwhelming evidence of that. Your videos are rubbish.

Your response to the videos, is a matter of your opinion.
It is obvious that it is not mine.

They are the patriots that Trump supporters wish they were.

Your not much a patriot if you do not believe in America First.

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Voter Fraud does not need to widespread to be considered voter fraud, it is voter fraud nonetheless, and therefore it is proof, and that is all that is required to be a called a fact.

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On 18 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

To be honest, I don't have time to watch your tripe. The US Justice Department, Federal Courts, and state audits and investigations (whether governmental, independent, or wildly biased toward Trump) have found any evidence of widespread voter fraud. Mike Lindell has spent millions
trying to find some, but has come up empty-handed at every turn. Trump himself has not been able to provide any such proof. And yet, we're to believe that Gregory Deyss has a treasure trove of such evidence? I
think not.

You're being very grandiose with the term we're, (as if there are more of you) You and little band of left minded friends are in for a shock come this fall.

That is the real problem with liberals they are not open minded and won't watch the videos that are within the dropbox, I believe it out out of fear, that you don't want your house of cards to come crashing down around you.

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On 19 Jun 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

What do you call the extensive sanctions on Russia and Putin if not "standing up to Putin".

Sanctions extensive or otherwise, do you really believe that Putin is
suffering or do you believe that the citizens of Russia is where the real suffering is.

And that article is ten months out of date. It makes statements that
are no longer true, e.g. that "no one has been charged with
insurrection". There have now been multiple convictions for seditious conspiracy.

One is innocent until proven Guilty.
Sorry Dale this also goes for the Donald Trump too.

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On 19 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

You're claiming that Biden has not stood up to Putin, but probably al blame Biden for the consequences of crippling sanctions on Russia.

Yes Putin should be held personally responsible for his actions.
Why should the Russian people have to be punished, and be made to
struggle when they are innocent in this?

That is how we hold leaders accountable, other than war. It's illegal to assassinate foreign leaders.

That would be like holding you accountable and every other individual who can't read the writing on the wall that the Biden regime is very un-American.

No, it isn't. Trying to hold onto power after losing an election is un-American. Not honoring our 230-year tradition of a peaceful transition of power is un-American. I don't think you know what it means to be an American.

Also splendid job with intentional avoidance not answering the
accusation that Spineless Biden has not stood up with strength to the Taliban or President Xi Jinping of China.

We are done in Afghanistan. And what has Xi Jinping done that needs standing
up to? Both Afghanistan and China are sovereign countries.

That is demonstrably false, especially given the level of sanctions o Russia since the invasion of Ukraine.

If Trump was still office Putin wouldn't of dared to invade Ukraine. Putin did so because he knows Biden is weak and therefore no threat.

Actually, Biden wouldn't have invaed Ukraine because he knows Trump would do his bidding and veto any attempt for Ukraine to join NATO. Biden is not
Putin's puppet, and would have allowed it.

Explain what liberty you have lost under Trump.

We almost lost our democracy.

You're being overly dramatic on purpose, because you think it makes you sound smart. *OR* That is the first thing that popped into your head,
and if that is the case.. That proves it, you are not as smart as you
have thought.

No, I'm not. Trump tried to subvert our democracy and remain in power after losing an election. That's about as un-American as it gets.

Trump broke laws, committed crimes, and attempted a coup. There is overwhelming evidence of that. Your videos are rubbish.

Your response to the videos, is a matter of your opinion.
It is obvious that it is not mine.

It is my response to the overwhelming evidence being presented. This week is the fourth hearing, which will feature Brad Rafensperger -- the Georgia Secretary of State, a Republican, and the official that Trump pressured to "find" 11,780 votes. Do you think the committee would waste time with his testimony if it was irrelevant to their investigation?

The 2020 Georgia election was audited no less than three different times, and not the slightest evidence of widespread voter fraud was ever found.

You continued belief in widespread election fraud in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is delusional.

They are the patriots that Trump supporters wish they were.

Your not much a patriot if you do not believe in America First.

"America First" is a racist policy. However, as far as prioritizing American interests goes, attempting to remain in power after losing an election is not putting America first. It goes against every belief that America was founded on. Trying to put the power to choose the next president into the hands of
one man rather than into the hands of the people of the United States is not putting America first. It goes against every belief that America was founded on.

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Voter Fraud does not need to widespread to be considered voter fraud, it is voter fraud nonetheless, and therefore it is proof, and that is all that is required to be a called a fact.

Sure there were small incidents of voter fraud, a significant number of them committed by Republicans, but none were even close to the scale needed to change the election results.

Jeff.

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On 19 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

To be honest, I don't have time to watch your tripe. The US Justice Department, Federal Courts, and state audits and investigations (whet governmental, independent, or wildly biased toward Trump) have found evidence of widespread voter fraud. Mike Lindell has spent millions trying to find some, but has come up empty-handed at every turn. Trum himself has not been able to provide any such proof. And yet, we're t believe that Gregory Deyss has a treasure trove of such evidence? I think not.

You're being very grandiose with the term we're, (as if there are more
of you) You and little band of left minded friends are in for a shock
come this fall.

"We're" is referring to the readers of this echo.

That is the real problem with liberals they are not open minded and
won't watch the videos that are within the dropbox, I believe it out out of fear, that you don't want your house of cards to come crashing down around you.

No, it's just a moumental waste of time. If the evidence were that
compelling, it would be before the courts. But it's not, is it?

Lindell's videos have been debunked, as have d'Souza's.

Trump continues to claim widespread voter fraud without any evidence. If
these videos that you have prove his claims true, why hasn't he availed
himself of their evidentiary value to prove his case?

Jeff.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

The border crisis isn't Joe's fault; it's because of global warming.
It's like, hot in Iran. (root causes.) ;)

If it isn't Trump, it's Putin's fault. If it isn't Putin, it must be global warming - or have we moved back to global cooling again?


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Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

More like you just pretend like such evidence does not exist and if it does surface, what then? To save face you claim that it is fake. or
call an conspiracy.

"It's amazing that so many people on the left are able to just ignore that which goes against their theories." -- Thomas Sowell


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On 19 Jun 2022, Ron L. said the following...

More like you just pretend like such evidence does not exist and if i does surface, what then? To save face you claim that it is fake. or call an conspiracy.

"It's amazing that so many people on the left are able to just ignore
that which goes against their theories." -- Thomas Sowell

And yet, that's exactly what Gregory is doing, isn't it? There is zero
evidence of widespread election fraud. None. Nada. Zip.

But that goes against Gregory's "theories," doesn't it? So he ignores it.

Thanks for the "enlightenment," Ron.

Jeff.

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On 19 Jun 2022, Ron L. said the following...

The border crisis isn't Joe's fault; it's because of global warming. It's like, hot in Iran. (root causes.) ;)

If it isn't Trump, it's Putin's fault. If it isn't Putin, it must be global warming - or have we moved back to global cooling again?

There are many reasons for the refugee crisis. The fact that it existed well before Biden took office pretty much rules him out as a primary cause.

But then again, logic isn't really the right's strong suit, is it?

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

[..]

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Trump says there is. And his legion of MAGA followers believe him.
That's all that counts. So please. Get with the program.

For Life,
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On 19 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Trump says there is. And his legion of MAGA followers believe him.
That's all that counts. So please. Get with the program.

The irony is, Trump's supporters have been the ones suffering from "TDS" all along. Some are starting to realize it, some are still oblivious.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

You're claiming that Biden has not stood up to Putin, but

probably al

blame Biden for the consequences of crippling sanctions on

Russia.

Yes Putin should be held personally responsible for his actions.
Why should the Russian people have to be punished, and be made to
struggle when they are innocent in this?

That is how we hold leaders accountable, other than war. It's illegal to assassinate foreign leaders.

JFK did in Diem (Vietnam).
GWB did in Saddam Hussein (Iraq).

There are other examples.

Even though it may not be official policy not to assassinate
foreign leaders, there are ways around it. Such as targeting the
military command structure of a country during a time of conflict.
If a foreign leader happens to be a part of that military command
structure ...

[..]

You continued belief in widespread election fraud in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is delusional.

Are you calling the majority of Republicans in Congress delusional?
Are you calling the majority of MAGA supporters delusional?
Just because they believe every word Donald Trump tells them does
not make them delusional. Or does it? I cannot honestly tell you,
since I have never attended any of Trump's rallies. But he did
make some speeches to joint sessions of Congress. So maybe all the
members of Congress are delusional, which explains the actions of
the J6 committee (those members being in a state of denial).

is voter fraud nonetheless, and therefore it is proof, and that GD>is all

that is required to be a called a fact.

Sure there were small incidents of voter fraud, a significant number of them
committed by Republicans, but none were even close to the scale needed to change the election results.

RED LETTER DAY!

Jeff T. finally admits Trump was right!

There was voter fraud, just as Trump has been telling everybody
all along! But not all those votes were counted, which is why he
wanted to allow states ten more days to count *all* the ballots,
and then re-certify those results. Which would have shown Donald
Trump as the clear winner over his opponent.

Now that you know The Truth, time for you to apologize to Trump.

For Life,
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Hello Jeff,

[..]

Lindell's videos have been debunked, as have d'Souza's.

Nobody cares about Lindell's videos, or d'Souza's rants.
It is only Trump's words (and actions) that really matter.

Trump continues to claim widespread voter fraud without any evidence. If these videos that you have prove his claims true, why hasn't he availed himself of their evidentiary value to prove his case?

147 Republicans - the majority of Republicans in Congress - refused
to accept the votes of the American people and attempted to overthrow
the elected government of the United States of America BECAUSE ALL OF
THEM BELIEVED TRUMP'S CLAIM OF WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD.

Do you honestly believe that any of those Republicans have changed
their minds? Even in light of what the J6 committee has shown so far?

They would have cheered if the insurrectionists had found Mike Pence.
And maybe even moreso had they also found Nancy Pelosi.

Trump's supporters claim none of the insurrectionists were violent,
as not a single one of them had any guns of any kind. They were just
expressing themselves, in a peaceful protest.

Trump's truth is their truth. The only truth that really counts.

For Life,
Lee

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On 19 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Yes Putin should be held personally responsible for his actions.
Why should the Russian people have to be punished, and be made to
struggle when they are innocent in this?

That is how we hold leaders accountable, other than war. It's illegal assassinate foreign leaders.

JFK did in Diem (Vietnam).
GWB did in Saddam Hussein (Iraq).

I'm not sure about Vietnam, but Saddam Hussein was tried and executed by the interim Iraqi government, not the United States.

Jeff.

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On 19 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Lindell's videos have been debunked, as have d'Souza's.

Nobody cares about Lindell's videos, or d'Souza's rants.
It is only Trump's words (and actions) that really matter.

You'd be surprised.

Trump continues to claim widespread voter fraud without any evidence. these videos that you have prove his claims true, why hasn't he avail himself of their evidentiary value to prove his case?

147 Republicans - the majority of Republicans in Congress - refused
to accept the votes of the American people and attempted to overthrow
the elected government of the United States of America BECAUSE ALL OF
THEM BELIEVED TRUMP'S CLAIM OF WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD.

I'm not sure they believed Trump's claims. But they did find it to their political benefit to play along.

Do you honestly believe that any of those Republicans have changed
their minds? Even in light of what the J6 committee has shown so far?

I'm not entirely certain that they ever truly believed Trump.

They would have cheered if the insurrectionists had found Mike Pence.
And maybe even moreso had they also found Nancy Pelosi.

No doubt.

Trump's supporters claim none of the insurrectionists were violent,
as not a single one of them had any guns of any kind. They were just expressing themselves, in a peaceful protest.

They lie, just like their Dear Leader.

Trump's truth is their truth. The only truth that really counts.

To some, sadly, yes. All we can hope is that their numbers dwindle as they
die off.

Jeff.

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Trump's truth is their truth. The only truth that really counts.

To some, sadly, yes. All we can hope is that their numbers dwindle as they die off.

Well, they were 74 million just a year and a half ago. Now, half a million or so have died because they believed the GOP anti-vax myth, and a dwindling few has been killed because of the NSA corruption, but it'll probably take a long time to even the field.



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On 19 Jun 2022, Bj”rn Felten said the following...

Trump's truth is their truth. The only truth that really counts.

To some, sadly, yes. All we can hope is that their numbers dwindle as die off.

Well, they were 74 million just a year and a half ago. Now, half a million or so have died because they believed the GOP anti-vax myth, and
a dwindling few has been killed because of the NSA corruption, but it'll probably take a long time to even the field.

Every day they get one day older. Quite a few of them are of an age that they don't have all that many days left.

Jeff.

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Every day they get one day older. Quite a few of them are of an age that they don't have all that many days left.

LOL! And there's no reason to believe that they'll get any wiser by age? Some of us actually think that we do so (I'm soon to be 74)... :-)




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On 19 Jun 2022, Bj”rn Felten said the following...

Every day they get one day older. Quite a few of them are of an age t they don't have all that many days left.

LOL! And there's no reason to believe that they'll get any wiser by age?

Oh, no. I'm pretty sure MAGA diehards just get crazier with age.

Some of us actually think that we do so (I'm soon to be 74)... :-)

I think some of us do. (I'm not yet 51.)

Jeff.

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It gives no pleasure, to say that I was all this time. Just look all that has happened since we last spoke? It has been nothing short of a cluster_fu*k. Hasn't?

(1) nothing is Biden's fault;

(2) Per Biden, some of what we are going through is a great and painful transition towards Green Energy (which could be taken as "it is
intentional";

(3) Taking Biden's word for us being in a transition, it is not the administration's fault that they decided it was time to start this
transition before the alternatives were proven and affordable enough;

(4) According to at least one member of this echo, they are proven and affordable... which leaves out the "if you have lots of cash lying around,
and are willing to possibly have to replace a $1000+ battery every 5 or so years, after the warranty has run out," meaning that the cars themselves might be proven but the battery tech is still not as reliable as what we have now;

(5) You won't hear that this transition is more painful for lower income Americans, but you might hear that we should have stronger social programs
so that they don't need cars to get to jobs they also shouldn't need;

(6) You might also get drawn down a philosophical rabbit hole regarding the "social programs" and "needing jobs" part of #5 that will totally derail any conversation about how the transition is more painful for the lower class. Either that, or you will be told that "Republicans/conservatives" don't
care about the lower class so you should not, either.

There is indeed a mix of "Ukraine War" and "COVID-19" and whatever else
will be mixed in, but there will be a 100% total ignoring of the fact that
this administration's energy policies, and printing of more and more money, have also been causes of the inflation crisis. Administration policy is also the ONE part of the WHOLE equation that CAN be changed/controlled... but it
is not the fault of Biden, or his administration, that this is being overlooked. Administration policy is not their responsibility, I guess???


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Hello Jeff,

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Trump says there is. And his legion of MAGA followers believe him.
That's all that counts. So please. Get with the program.

The irony is, Trump's supporters have been the ones suffering from "TDS" all
along. Some are starting to realize it, some are still oblivious.

I was having a discussion with two die-hard Trumpsters last night.
Both of them believe The Big Lie as Gospel Truth. Nothing could be
said, or shown, to dissuade them from their view. When I reminded
them the courts ruled against him, as no evidence could be shown,
they both said that was because Democrats had rigged it so that
votes cast for Trump remained uncounted, and the judges who ruled
on those cases were liberals appointed by Clinton and/or Obama.

There is one thing I have learned from experience. Actually two
things. One is never argue with a Trumpster. The other is never
argue with a woman. And two women, at the same time? I might be
crazy, but I'm not that crazy!

For Life,
Lee

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On 19 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

It gives no pleasure, to say that I was all this time. Just look al that has happened since we last spoke? It has been nothing short of cluster_fu*k. Hasn't?

(1) nothing is Biden's fault;

And not everything is Biden's fault.

(2) Per Biden, some of what we are going through is a great and painful transition towards Green Energy (which could be taken as "it is intentional";

Partially, yes. Part of it is global geopolitics.

(3) Taking Biden's word for us being in a transition, it is not the administration's fault that they decided it was time to start this transition before the alternatives were proven and affordable enough;

In fact, most of it is geopolitical.

(4) According to at least one member of this echo, they are proven and affordable... which leaves out the "if you have lots of cash lying
around, and are willing to possibly have to replace a $1000+ battery
every 5 or so years, after the warranty has run out," meaning that the cars themselves might be proven but the battery tech is still not as reliable as what we have now;

The transition will not be happening overnight, but we need to get on it and take it seriously.

(5) You won't hear that this transition is more painful for lower income Americans, but you might hear that we should have stronger social
programs so that they don't need cars to get to jobs they also shouldn't need;

Aren't most transitions? That's no reason to halt progress. And yes, we need
to offset the adverse effects on lower income Americans by offering them financial assistance.

(6) You might also get drawn down a philosophical rabbit hole regarding the "social programs" and "needing jobs" part of #5 that will totally derail any conversation about how the transition is more painful for the lower class. Either that, or you will be told that "Republicans/conservatives" don't care about the lower class so you
should not, either.

The transition is necessary, but will not happen overnight. High gasoline prices are unrelated to the transition and are being caused by goepolitics.

There is indeed a mix of "Ukraine War" and "COVID-19" and whatever else will be mixed in, but there will be a 100% total ignoring of the fact
that this administration's energy policies, and printing of more and
more money, have also been causes of the inflation crisis.

"People said I want to go and buy debt and default on debt, and I mean, these people are crazy. This is the United States government. First of all, you
never have to defalt because you print the money, I hate to tell you, OK?" -- Donald Trump

"Just run the presses -- print money." -- Donald Trump

Jeff.

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On 20 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Trump says there is. And his legion of MAGA followers believe him.
That's all that counts. So please. Get with the program.

The irony is, Trump's supporters have been the ones suffering from "T all
along. Some are starting to realize it, some are still oblivious.

I was having a discussion with two die-hard Trumpsters last night.
Both of them believe The Big Lie as Gospel Truth. Nothing could be
said, or shown, to dissuade them from their view. When I reminded
them the courts ruled against him, as no evidence could be shown,
they both said that was because Democrats had rigged it so that
votes cast for Trump remained uncounted, and the judges who ruled
on those cases were liberals appointed by Clinton and/or Obama.
There is one thing I have learned from experience. Actually two
things. One is never argue with a Trumpster. The other is never
argue with a woman. And two women, at the same time? I might be
crazy, but I'm not that crazy!

I may or may not be related to one or more of those women.

Jeff.

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Hello Bj”rn,

Every day they get one day older. Quite a few of them are of an age
that they don't have all that many days left.

LOL! And there's no reason to believe that they'll get any wiser by age? Some of us actually think that we do so (I'm soon to be 74)... :-)

You don't understand. Not really your fault. Even though you are
from Sweden, and have spent a significant amount of time in Florida,
you still don't understand.

While there does remain hope for some in Florida and other parts of
the USA, there is no hope for anybody from Texas. Here's why -

Joe Biden recieved 7 million more votes than Donald Trump.
Joe Biden also received 306 electoral votes from the Electoral
College - more than the 270 needed to win.

None of that mattered to Republicans in Texas, who formally voted
in a state-wide convention this weekend on a party platform that calls homosexuality an "abnormal lifestyle choice" - thus denying Log Cabin Republicans in Houston a booth at the convention, or to participate
in their convention.

This homophobic group of Republicans then went on to main event -

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 presidential election,
and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."
- resolution passed unanimously by a voice vote at the convention

That is the official resolution of Republican Texas State Party.

According to a recent Reuters/Ipsos poll, two-thirds of Republicans
nationally believe the 2020 presidential election was stolen from
Trump. So please. Do not blame it all on Texas, just because Jeff
lives there.

For Life,
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Hello Jeff,

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Trump says there is. And his legion of MAGA followers believe him.
That's all that counts. So please. Get with the program.

The irony is, Trump's supporters have been the ones suffering from "TDS" all
along. Some are starting to realize it, some are still oblivious.

That's why he keeps reminding them. And then they remember.
As if they never forgot. Oh, now I remember ...

For Life,
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Hello Jeff,

Yes Putin should be held personally responsible for his

actions.

Why should the Russian people have to be punished, and be made

to

struggle when they are innocent in this?

That is how we hold leaders accountable, other than war. It's

illegal

assassinate foreign leaders.

JFK did in Diem (Vietnam).
GWB did in Saddam Hussein (Iraq).

I'm not sure about Vietnam,

I know the daughter of a former president of Vietnam.
Both she and her father were there at the time.

https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/educational-resources/diem-coup


Eighteen days after JFK recorded his thoughts on the Diem matter,
he was silenced by an assassin in Dallas, Texas.

No evidence to date has ever been revealed by our government to
support the contention that Lee Harvey Oswald had anything to do
with it.

And thanks to live television coverage, we all know what happened
to Oswald (who was never charged with JFK's murder) inside the Dallas
police station ...

but Saddam Hussein was tried and executed by the
interim Iraqi government, not the United States.

A Shiite hit squad, hand-picked by the US military.

For Life,
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Hello Jeff,

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Trump says there is. And his legion of MAGA followers believe

him.

That's all that counts. So please. Get with the program.

The irony is, Trump's supporters have been the ones suffering

from "T

all
along. Some are starting to realize it, some are still

oblivious.

I was having a discussion with two die-hard Trumpsters last night.
Both of them believe The Big Lie as Gospel Truth. Nothing could be
said, or shown, to dissuade them from their view. When I reminded
them the courts ruled against him, as no evidence could be shown,
they both said that was because Democrats had rigged it so that
votes cast for Trump remained uncounted, and the judges who ruled
on those cases were liberals appointed by Clinton and/or Obama.
There is one thing I have learned from experience. Actually two
things. One is never argue with a Trumpster. The other is never
argue with a woman. And two women, at the same time? I might be
crazy, but I'm not that crazy!

I may or may not be related to one or more of those women.

One of them used to live in Texas. So you never know. :)

For Life,
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On 06-19-22 02:08, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Outrage <=-

What do you call the extensive sanctions on Russia and Putin if not "standing up to Putin".

Sanctions extensive or otherwise, do you really believe that Putin is suffering or do you believe that the citizens of Russia is where the
real suffering is.

Actually, I do believe that Putin is suffering, albeit not as much as his oligarchs or the citizens of Russia.

And that article is ten months out of date. It makes statements that
are no longer true, e.g. that "no one has been charged with
insurrection". There have now been multiple convictions for seditious conspiracy.

One is innocent until proven Guilty.

That is true. And as I said "convictions" so they are no longer
innocent. Also there are some of those closest to Trump who are
admitting guilt by asking for a pardon.

Sorry Dale this also goes for the Donald Trump too.

Yes it does, but his time may yet come.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 06-19-22 01:41, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Outrage <=-

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Voter Fraud does not need to widespread to be considered voter fraud,
it is voter fraud nonetheless, and therefore it is proof, and that is
all that is required to be a called a fact.

It does have to be widespread to have any impact on the elections. In
the 2020 election, there have been a few isolated proven cases of voter
fraud. Would you care to guess how many and what party they voted for?

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 19 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

(4) According to at least one member of this echo, they are proven and affordable... which leaves out the "if you have lots of cash lying
around, and are willing to possibly have to replace a $1000+ battery
every 5 or so years, after the warranty has run out," meaning that the cars themselves might be proven but the battery tech is still not as reliable as what we have now;

In order to address the state-wide tripling in ownership of electric
vehicles, Texas -- Texas! -- will be installing charging stations every 50 miles along interstate highways, enough to support 1 million electric
vehicles.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/20/texas-electric-vehicle-charging-station s/

Jeff.

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On 19 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

No, it isn't. Trying to hold onto power after losing an election is un-American. Not honoring our 230-year tradition of a peaceful
transition of power is un-American. I don't think you know what it means to be an American.

It is also un-American to steal election, if it is *someday* comes to be
the that the election was not stolen. Biden is still a lousy President and nothing will change that.
Do let me count the ways, He is weak on foreign policy.
How you ask? Were you at all aware that spineless biden is rolling back the Trump Tariff's on China. Please explain how that will benefit our country?

Also splendid job with intentional avoidance not answering the accusation that Spineless Biden has not stood up with strength to the Taliban or President Xi Jinping of China.

We are done in Afghanistan. And what has Xi Jinping done that needs standing up to? Both Afghanistan and China are sovereign countries.

Yup we sure are done with Afghanistan along with all that equipment that was left behind in this oversize catbox.
What about the American's who are STILL there? Nothing is being done
about them either. The United States of America is also a sovereign nation and yet Hordes of illegals continue to flow into our country, but that's ok right? Want to come to America? Great ! Do it legally. I have no issue with legal immigration whatsoever.

That is demonstrably false, especially given the level of sancti Russia since the invasion of Ukraine.

If Trump was still office Putin wouldn't of dared to invade Ukraine. Putin did so because he knows Biden is weak and therefore no threat.

Actually, Biden wouldn't have invaed Ukraine because he knows Trump
would do his bidding and veto any attempt for Ukraine to join NATO.
Biden is not Putin's puppet, and would have allowed it.

? I do believe your having a Biden Gaffee moment there Jeff.

I think Ukraine should be in NATO... Why not..
I do understand why Putin would have an issue with that because then world would end him if he invaded a NATO country.

Trump broke laws, committed crimes, and attempted a coup. There overwhelming evidence of that. Your videos are rubbish.

Your response to the videos, is a matter of your opinion.
It is obvious that it is not mine.

You know what this *circus* is actually all about?
It is not as it appears to be on the surface, not even close.
I will tell you once again I have transcript of Trump's words from that day of January 6th and there is nothing in that transcript whatsoever that comes
close to being slightly incorrect or anything else that is considered what you would call icing on the cake. It's just a bunch of nasty allegations and other tripe made up by sycophants of the democratic party and some of those are Republicans (as you have pointed out with eagerness.) These so called Republicans are taking a big risk. They have forgotten on which side their bread is buttered. Majority of this noise is coming from the dems and no real surprise the leftwing media or what Rush used to call the "drive by media".

What this is essentially. In short is: Theater....
It is all about changing the minds of the American People about Trump, make
him appear sinister and evil so that there is no way it will be possible or
to make it extremely difficult for Donald John Trump to be able to run again for the Presidency in 2024. Thats what this all is.
As I said it is a big risk because if Trump is Triumphant, you and your party will be over for a long long time.

It is my response to the overwhelming evidence being presented. This
week is the fourth hearing, which will feature Brad Rafensperger -- the Georgia Secretary of State, a Republican, and the official that Trump pressured to "find" 11,780 votes. Do you think the committee would waste time with his testimony if it was irrelevant to their investigation?

Sure why not just look at the length of time and the multiple millions that
the American Taxpayer paid, last time there was a witch-hunt. Only to end with an acquittal. So no they will not stop even when logic suggests to do otherwise.

They are the patriots that Trump supporters wish they were.

Your not much a patriot if you do not believe in America First.

"America First" is a racist policy.

If you believe that America First was racist, then I would recommend that you pick up a book proverbially not from Karl Marx.
It would also be a great idea to pick up a dictionary.

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On 20 Jun 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 06-19-22 01:41, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Outrage <=-

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Voter Fraud does not need to widespread to be considered voter fraud, it is voter fraud nonetheless, and therefore it is proof, and that is all that is required to be a called a fact.

It does have to be widespread to have any impact on the elections. In
the 2020 election, there have been a few isolated proven cases of voter fraud. Would you care to guess how many and what party they voted for?

It's no mystery, take a look at the map of red vs blue and you have your answer. There is a helluva lot more Red then Blue which is where the misinformed reside.

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On 20 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

No, it isn't. Trying to hold onto power after losing an election is un-American. Not honoring our 230-year tradition of a peaceful transition of power is un-American. I don't think you know what it me to be an American.

It is also un-American to steal election, if it is *someday* comes to be the that the election was not stolen.

The election was not stolen. Trump *tried* to steal it, but failed.

Biden is still a lousy President
and nothing will change that.

Trump was an even lousier president.

Do let me count the ways, He is weak on foreign policy.
How you ask? Were you at all aware that spineless biden is rolling back the Trump Tariff's on China. Please explain how that will benefit our country?

Well, it will help lower prices on many things while the world deals with the economic impact of the COVID pandemic and Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

Also splendid job with intentional avoidance not answering the accusation that Spineless Biden has not stood up with strength to Taliban or President Xi Jinping of China.

We are done in Afghanistan. And what has Xi Jinping done that needs standing up to? Both Afghanistan and China are sovereign countries.

Yup we sure are done with Afghanistan along with all that equipment that was left behind in this oversize catbox.

We left it behind for the use of the Afghan security forces that we spent 20 years training. That they capitulated almost immediatelyis the reason it fell into Taliban hands. The Wair in Afghanistan is over, as far as the US is concerned.

What about the American's who are STILL there? Nothing is being done
about them either.

Many of them, as children of Afghan mothers, chose to stay.

The United States of America is also a sovereign
nation and yet Hordes of illegals continue to flow into our country, but that's ok right?

Illegal immigrants are deported when caught.

Want to come to America? Great ! Do it legally. I have
no issue with legal immigration whatsoever.

Awesome. Then you should have no problem with the people crossing our
southern border seeking asylum, which is legal.

That is demonstrably false, especially given the level of s Russia since the invasion of Ukraine.

If Trump was still office Putin wouldn't of dared to invade Ukra Putin did so because he knows Biden is weak and therefore no thr

Actually, Biden wouldn't have invaed Ukraine because he knows Trump would do his bidding and veto any attempt for Ukraine to join NATO. Biden is not Putin's puppet, and would have allowed it.

? I do believe your having a Biden Gaffee moment there Jeff.

I may have been feeling no pain at the time. I meant to say "Putin wouldn't have invaded..."

I think Ukraine should be in NATO... Why not..
I do understand why Putin would have an issue with that because then
world would end him if he invaded a NATO country.

Indeed, why not? But that's what the invasion was all about.

Trump broke laws, committed crimes, and attempted a coup. T overwhelming evidence of that. Your videos are rubbish.

Your response to the videos, is a matter of your opinion.
It is obvious that it is not mine.

You know what this *circus* is actually all about?
It is not as it appears to be on the surface, not even close.

Bullsh!t. Trump tried to steal the election and remain in power illegally.

I will tell you once again I have transcript of Trump's words from that day of January 6th and there is nothing in that transcript whatsoever
that comes close to being slightly incorrect or anything else that is considered what you would call icing on the cake.

Woop-de-doo. Trump lied to his supporters, convincing them that the election was stolen (it wasn't), over and over and over again. His supporters got very upset, but Trump knew all along that it was a lie. The January 6 speech was just Trump lying again, adding more fuel to the fire.

As far as nothing in the transcript that comes even close to being incorrect, Trump knew that his claims of a stolen election were false.

It's just a bunch of
nasty allegations and other tripe made up by sycophants of the
democratic party and some of those are Republicans (as you have pointed out with eagerness.)

I'm afraid it's much, much more than that, which you would know if you
watched the hearings.

These so called Republicans are taking a big risk.
They have forgotten on which side their bread is buttered.

They are testifying under oath. That changes things a little bit.

Majority of
this noise is coming from the dems and no real surprise the leftwing
media or what Rush used to call the "drive by media".

Which is just another way of saying that the right-wing media, except for Fox News, has been silent on the issue. That doesn't mean it's false; it means
they don't want to talk about it.

What this is essentially. In short is: Theater....
It is all about changing the minds of the American People about Trump, make him appear sinister and evil so that there is no way it will be possible or to make it extremely difficult for Donald John Trump to be able to run again for the Presidency in 2024. Thats what this all is.

No, it is about holding Trump accountable for his crimes. No one is above the law. Trump was, temporarily, because it was decided that a sitting president cannot be indicted. But now that Trump is no longer a sitting president, he most definitely needs to be held accountable.

As I said it is a big risk because if Trump is Triumphant, you and your party will be over for a long long time.

58% of Americans currently think that Trump should be prosecuted. That
includes 19% of Republicans. That may not sound like much, but it's one in
five Republicans. Statistically speaking, one in five of your Republican friends thinks Trump should be prosecuted.

It is my response to the overwhelming evidence being presented. This week is the fourth hearing, which will feature Brad Rafensperger -- th Georgia Secretary of State, a Republican, and the official that Trump pressured to "find" 11,780 votes. Do you think the committee would was time with his testimony if it was irrelevant to their investigation?

Sure why not just look at the length of time and the multiple millions that the American Taxpayer paid, last time there was a witch-hunt. Only
to end with an acquittal. So no they will not stop even when logic suggests to do otherwise.

Trump's impeachments were not criminal trials; they were political. *Those* were theater. This is much, much different. Given the evidence uncovered so far, logic most definitely does not suggest to do otherwise.

They are the patriots that Trump supporters wish they were.

Your not much a patriot if you do not believe in America First.

"America First" is a racist policy.

If you believe that America First was racist, then I would recommend
that you pick up a book proverbially not from Karl Marx.

"America First" has always had racist undertones, especially concerning immigration. That has absolutely nothing to do with Karl Marx.

It would also be a great idea to pick up a dictionary.

I know what those two words mean, but I also know that the two of them
together have a connotation that is more that the sum of its parts. And you know it, too.

Jeff.

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On 20 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

It's no mystery, take a look at the map of red vs blue and you have your answer. There is a helluva lot more Red then Blue which is where the misinformed reside.

Is this the "evidence" you have?

Surely you know that the population of the US isn't evenly distributed,
right? There are densely populated cities that contain millions of people,
and there are sparsely populated counties that contain just a few hunderd people. More sparsely-populated areas tend to vote Republican, and more densely-populated areas tend to vote Democrat.

You can't tell who won by looking at colors on a map. But you knew that
right? I mean, surely you're not that ignorant, right? Surely you're not that -- ahem == misinformed, right?

Jeff.

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On 06-20-22 21:51, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Outrage <=-

It does have to be widespread to have any impact on the elections. In
the 2020 election, there have been a few isolated proven cases of voter fraud. Would you care to guess how many and what party they voted for?

It's no mystery, take a look at the map of red vs blue and you have
your answer. There is a helluva lot more Red then Blue which is where
the misinformed reside.

That is a complete non answer, except that you seem to be implying that
the Red state voters are misinformed.

Since you seem not to know the (or don't want to know) the answer, I
will give you some info to educate you. It was easily found with a web
search. The summary is that the amount of fraud discovered
A. could not have effect on any election and
B. was mostly by Trump voters.

Here is the quoted article:

A team of Associated Press reporters spent months reviewing every
possible voter fraud case in six battleground states disputed by former President Donald Trump, and they found "fewer than 475 " a number that
would have made no difference in the 2020 presidential election," AP
reports. The disputed ballots identified in more than 300 local election offices amounted to just 0.15 percent of President Biden's margin of
victory in the six states: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada,
Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

"The cases could not throw the outcome into question even if all the potentially fraudulent votes were for Biden, which they were not, and
even if those ballots were actually counted, which in most cases they
were not," AP reports. "The cases are bipartisan. Some of those charged
with fraud are registered Republicans or told investigators they were supporters of Trump." In fact, every specific case written up in the AP
report involved a Trump supporter voting twice or casing a ballot
illegally.

Three apparent Trump supporters were recently arrested in Florida and
charged with casting more than one vote, The Washington Post reports.
The three residents of The Villages are charged with having voted in
Florida and also another state, Michigan, New York, and an undisclosed
state, the Post says, and they were arrested after the county elections supervisor ordered an investigation.

All these cases "underscore that suspected fraud is both generally
detected and exceptionally rare," AP reports, but "Trump's false claims
of a stolen election fueled the deadly Jan. 6 attempted insurrection at
the Capitol, have led to death threats against election officials, and
have become deeply ingrained within the GOP, with two-thirds of
Republicans believing Biden's election is illegitimate."

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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On 20 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

Well, it will help lower prices on many things while the world deals
with the economic impact of the COVID pandemic and Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

Have you ever stopped and considered why China? Why it is nearly every-time
you notice where things are made 9 times out 10 it is China.
Is this because they work as slaves and the chinese making this crap have no choice?
or
Is this lack of American innovation? Anything China can do Americans can do better.

We left it behind for the use of the Afghan security forces that we
spent 20 years training. That they capitulated almost immediately is the reason it fell into Taliban hands.

Once they sing like a bird, they will chirp no more.

Many of them, as children of Afghan mothers, chose to stay.

A convenience you tell yourself - to keep the nightmares at bay.

The United States of America is also a sovereign
nation and yet Hordes of illegals continue to flow into our country, that's ok right?

Illegal immigrants are deported when caught.

seriously. Is that what you think happens?
How about being bused into various communities within the U.S.

Want to come to America? Great ! Do it legally. I have
no issue with legal immigration whatsoever.

Awesome. Then you should have no problem with the people crossing our southern border seeking asylum, which is legal.

How you think illegal trespass is handled in other countries?
Hint: it's a bloody mess and it draws flies.

Bullsh!t. Trump tried to steal the election and remain in power
illegally.

Would you look at that A nerve was hit, you seem to very sure of yourself. What are you doing in Texas? You should travel to the swamp I mean Washington and speak before the committee. When this is all over, I hope you like cake, because you will be wearing it like a suit.

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Hello Greg,

[..]

They are the patriots that Trump supporters wish they were.

Your not much a patriot if you do not believe in America First.

"America First" is a racist policy.

If you believe that America First was racist, then I would recommend that you pick up a book proverbially not from Karl Marx.
It would also be a great idea to pick up a dictionary.

Charles Lindbergh was basically a fascist, and wanted to challenge
FDR for president. Had he succeeded, this country would have lost its democracy, and Adolf Hitler would have been an honored guest at the
White House.

For Life,
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Hello Greg,

[..]

It does have to be widespread to have any impact on the elections. In
the 2020 election, there have been a few isolated proven cases of voter
fraud. Would you care to guess how many and what party they voted for?

It's no mystery, take a look at the map of red vs blue and you have your answer. There is a helluva lot more Red then Blue which is where the misinformed reside.

Joe Biden received 7 million more votes than Donald Trump.
That's a lot of votes. Joe Biden also received 306 electoral
votes from the Electoral College - more than the 270 needed
to win.

That is a lot more Blue than Red.

But please. Do not let any of that spoil your fun in Texas,
where Republicans remain in a state of denial, as their party
has made it official at their state convention last weekend -

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 presidential election,
and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."
~ a resolution passed (unanimously) by voice vote at its convention

Enjoy your fantasy.

For Life,
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On 21 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

Well, it will help lower prices on many things while the world deals with the economic impact of the COVID pandemic and Putin's invasion o Ukraine.

Have you ever stopped and considered why China? Why it is nearly every-time you notice where things are made 9 times out 10 it is China. Is this because they work as slaves and the chinese making this crap
have no choice?
or
Is this lack of American innovation? Anything China can do Americans
can do better.

American are complaining about high prices, but no one is forcing anyone to
buy anything from China.

We left it behind for the use of the Afghan security forces that we spent 20 years training. That they capitulated almost immediately is reason it fell into Taliban hands.

Once they sing like a bird, they will chirp no more.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Many of them, as children of Afghan mothers, chose to stay.

A convenience you tell yourself - to keep the nightmares at bay.

Nah, it's just an inconvenient truth for you.

The United States of America is also a sovereign
nation and yet Hordes of illegals continue to flow into our coun that's ok right?

Illegal immigrants are deported when caught.

seriously. Is that what you think happens?
How about being bused into various communities within the U.S.

Those are not illegal immigrants. Coming to the US to seek asylum is not illegal.

Want to come to America? Great ! Do it legally. I have
no issue with legal immigration whatsoever.

Awesome. Then you should have no problem with the people crossing our southern border seeking asylum, which is legal.

How you think illegal trespass is handled in other countries?
Hint: it's a bloody mess and it draws flies.

Again, seeking asylum in the US is legal, but it must be done from US soil.

Bullsh!t. Trump tried to steal the election and remain in power illegally.

Would you look at that A nerve was hit, you seem to very sure of
yourself. What are you doing in Texas? You should travel to the swamp I mean Washington and speak before the committee. When this is all over, I hope you like cake, because you will be wearing it like a suit.

Every American should have had a nerve hit when Trump tried to steal the election.

Jeff.

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On 21 Jun 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

It's no mystery, take a look at the map of red vs blue and you have your answer. There is a helluva lot more Red then Blue which is where the misinformed reside.

That is a complete non answer, except that you seem to be implying that the Red state voters are misinformed.
Since you seem not to know the (or don't want to know) the answer, I
will give you some info to educate you. It was easily found with a web search. The summary is that the amount of fraud discovered
A. could not have effect on any election and
B. was mostly by Trump voters.
Here is the quoted article:

[...]

And just like that, Gregory doesn't want to talk about this anymore.

Jeff.

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On 21 Jun 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

That is a complete non answer, except that you seem to be implying that the Red state voters are misinformed.

No I was stating it was the other way around, these blue areas are metropolitan. They are dem controlled strongholds. Why are they democrat?
Why do African Americans in large numbers vote Democrat, they have never received anything of significance, what they have been promised w/ a better way of life by the dems,
less crime, better schools, more opportunities for employment - whatever
might be the cotton candy flavor of the moment but it never seems to come to fruition, and yet they continue to vote democratic.

I do not know about you Dale, but if someone promised me something, and then didn't deliver; a better way of life, or whatever it was. I would never trust them again.

It was easily found with a web search.

So was this and IT is video evidence, not some "quoted article" by a left leaning publication.
https://tinyurl.com/2vjsvwx2
Why would anyone protest a "photo id requirement on all absentee ballots."
What are these dems afraid of.

Greg

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On 21 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

American are complaining about high prices, but no one is forcing anyone to buy anything from China.

When the market is flooded with Chinese products and in some cases places
like Payless Shoes that sell nothing but chinese made shoes.
A China-R-us if want to think of this in those terms.

We left it behind for the use of the Afghan security forces that spent 20 years training. That they capitulated almost immediately reason it fell into Taliban hands.

Once they sing like a bird, they will chirp no more.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Meaning once they talk, how long do think that will meet their end.
Murdered. hmm, what do you think their chances are, not good.

Every American should have had a nerve hit when Trump tried to steal the election.

I would really begin to search something else to harp on.
What if Trump is Triumphant, then what?
Are you going to be playing the same sad song. Get a grip...

Greg

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On 21 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

American are complaining about high prices, but no one is forcing any to buy anything from China.

When the market is flooded with Chinese products and in some cases places like Payless Shoes that sell nothing but chinese made shoes.
A China-R-us if want to think of this in those terms.

That is not even a complete sentence.

We left it behind for the use of the Afghan security forces spent 20 years training. That they capitulated almost immedi reason it fell into Taliban hands.

Once they sing like a bird, they will chirp no more.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Meaning once they talk, how long do think that will meet their end. Murdered. hmm, what do you think their chances are, not good.

Once who talks?

Every American should have had a nerve hit when Trump tried to steal election.

I would really begin to search something else to harp on.

I'm sure you would, I'm sure you would.

What if Trump is Triumphant, then what?

Then we will see what happens. And if Trump is not "Triumphant?"

Are you going to be playing the same sad song. Get a grip...

Trump committed criminal acts in an attempt to steal the election.

Jeff.

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On 21 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

That is a complete non answer, except that you seem to be implying th the Red state voters are misinformed.

No I was stating it was the other way around, these blue areas are metropolitan. They are dem controlled strongholds. Why are they
democrat? Why do African Americans in large numbers vote Democrat, they have never received anything of significance, what they have been
promised w/ a better way of life by the dems,
less crime, better schools, more opportunities for employment - whatever might be the cotton candy flavor of the moment but it never seems to
come to fruition, and yet they continue to vote democratic.

It's all because the black people, isn't it? Didn't have to wait long for the racism to come out, did we?

Jeff.

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A team of Associated Press reporters spent months reviewing every
possible voter fraud case in six battleground states disputed by former President Donald Trump, and they found "fewer than 475 " a number that

I probably missed something in this thread, but who are the AP to be telling
us anything? That's like saying "MSNBC spent months trying to validate Trump's claims but couldn't."

The things that were done differently from previous elections (due to covid) is probably the "fraud" that Trump's referring to. He's wrong to call it "fraud" because these things were done legally, but he's almost correct to say that "the election was stolen."

It's all the covid madness (making people feel like the pandemic was
Trump's fault, mail-in ballots for all, keeping polls open until desired results are achieved, etc) that led to Biden's "victory."

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On 21 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

A team of Associated Press reporters spent months reviewing every possible voter fraud case in six battleground states disputed by form President Donald Trump, and they found "fewer than 475 " a number tha

I probably missed something in this thread, but who are the AP to be telling us anything? That's like saying "MSNBC spent months trying to validate Trump's claims but couldn't."

Trump certainly wasn't producing any concrete data.

The things that were done differently from previous elections (due to covid) is probably the "fraud" that Trump's referring to. He's wrong to call it "fraud" because these things were done legally, but he's almost correct to say that "the election was stolen."

Trump tried to steal the election, but failed.

It's all the covid madness (making people feel like the pandemic was Trump's fault, mail-in ballots for all, keeping polls open until desired results are achieved, etc) that led to Biden's "victory."

Bullsh!t. Most, if not all, states do not even begin counting ballots until
the polls have closed. The fact that they're counting after the polls closed does not mean that the polls are still open, and they can't possibly know
that the "desired result" has been achieved until they're done counting.

Sending out ballots and receiving ballots are two different things. If some voters have the right to mail in their ballots, why shouldn't all voters have that right?

Trump handled the pandemic badly. From asserting that it was a "hoax" to downplaying its severity to announcing arbitrary deadlines for a virus to
exit our bodies to starting a feud with Fauci when Fauci disagreed with
Trump's decidedly non-scientific advice to the American people, he handled it very, very badly.

Jeff.

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-=the entity known as Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele=-

[..]

Every American should have had a nerve hit when Trump tried JT>to steal

the election.

I would really begin to search something else to harp on.
What if Trump is Triumphant, then what?
Are you going to be playing the same sad song. Get a grip...

Joe Biden received 7 million more votes than Donald Trump.
Joe Biden also received 306 electoral votes from the Electoral
College, more than the 270 needed to win.

On January 6, 2021 a joint session of Congress was held in
order to certify the results. 147 Republicans (the majority
of the Republican members of Congress), refused to accept
the votes of the American people and attempted to overthrow
the elected government of the United States of America.

On that very same day, Donald Trump had asked his stooge
to deliver the goods, as he was an integral part of the plan.
But for some unknown and unexplainable reason, his stooge
got cold feet and chose to do his Constitutional duty instead.

But that's okay. All has been forgiven. 2020 was just a dry
run for the main event, now scheduled for 2024.

The MAGA crowd is now replacing secretary of states across
the land, thus ensuring that no more stolen elections will ever
deny Donald Trump from winning an election ever again.

His new vice president Sarah Palin will see to that.

For Life,
Lee

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The MAGA crowd is now replacing secretary of states across
the land, thus ensuring that no more stolen elections will ever
deny Donald Trump from winning an election ever again.

If Soros could do it with the Secretary of States project, Republicans have the right to do this as well.
Soros wants election rules to be loose so Democrats could win as demonstrated in California.


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On 21 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Trump tried to steal the election, but failed.

How about Ted Cruz? Wasn't he complicit? Don't let Trump steal all the infamy.

His name hasn't come up yet in the evidence presented.

results are achieved, etc) that led to Biden's "victory."

Bullsh!t. Most, if not all, states do not even begin counting ballots until the polls have closed. The fact that they're counting after the

In my state, polling places were only open on election day. That was not the case with Nevada. It's fine though. All countries have good and bad stuff about them. We lack election integrity, and we separate children from their fathers, but we've got freedom of religion and freedom of speech 60% of the time and that's pretty swell compared to other
developed nations.

Accepting mail-in ballots after election day (provided that they had an appropriate postmark) is not illegal, and it does not mean that the polls
were open after election day.

Trump handled the pandemic badly. From asserting that it was a "hoax" downplaying its severity to announcing arbitrary deadlines for a viru exit our bodies to starting a feud with Fauci when Fauci disagreed wi Trump's decidedly non-scientific advice to the American people, he handled it very, very badly.

Isn't there more to it than that? He handled the pandemic badly with a bunch of words that spewed from his mouth? How about his actions/inactions? Democrats are downplaying the seriousness of covid as we speak, because they want people to feel like Biden cured covid ahead
of election day.

COVID is still a threat, although a manageable one if enough people are vaccinated. The more that are vaccinated, the mor emanageable, but we have to take what we can get.

Sending out ballots and receiving ballots are two different things. I some voters have the right to mail in their ballots, why shouldn't al voters have that right?

Fine, but why make those changes in 2020 and not in 2019 or 2018? (Hint: We needed to remove a certain somebody in 2020!)

We were in the middle of a pandemic in 2020.

Jeff.

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On 21 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

On 21 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

American are complaining about high prices, but no one is forcin to buy anything from China.

When the market is flooded with Chinese products and in some cases pl like Payless Shoes that sell nothing but chinese made shoes.
A China-R-us if want to think of this in those terms.

That is not even a complete sentence.

If you can not understand the above statement, then you have more issue then once previously thought.

We left it behind for the use of the Afghan security fo spent 20 years training. That they capitulated almost i reason it fell into Taliban hands.

Once they sing like a bird, they will chirp no more.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Meaning once they talk, how long do think that will meet their end. Murdered. hmm, what do you think their chances are, not good.

Once who talks?

Um, The Afghan security forces of course... Are you asleep, try to follow along...

Every American should have had a nerve hit when Trump tried to s election.

I would really begin to search something else to harp on.

I'm sure you would, I'm sure you would.

What if Trump is Triumphant, then what?

Then we will see what happens. And if Trump is not "Triumphant?"

After two previous acquittals of phony investigations, that were nothing more then witch-hunts... Who would you bet on? Yeah I will bet it all on Red 45.

Are you going to be playing the same sad song. Get a grip...

Trump committed criminal acts in an attempt to steal the election.

No way, if you have an issue, here is a tissue.
Suck it up, buttercup.

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On 21 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

On 21 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

That is a complete non answer, except that you seem to be implyi the Red state voters are misinformed.

No I was stating it was the other way around, these blue areas are metropolitan. They are dem controlled strongholds. Why are they democrat? Why do African Americans in large numbers vote Democrat, th have never received anything of significance, what they have been promised w/ a better way of life by the dems,
less crime, better schools, more opportunities for employment - whate might be the cotton candy flavor of the moment but it never seems to come to fruition, and yet they continue to vote democratic.

It's all because the black people, isn't it? Didn't have to wait long
for the racism to come out, did we?

I never mentioned the word "black people" but since you brought it up.
What do you think it is? If someone lies to your face promising what they
will do for you and then you find that used you. What do you call that Jeff? Being Stupid has nothing to do with race, in-fact if you come across a
mirror you will be the first one to know.

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the ignorant (and by ignorant I mean anyone who believes Biden is a good president as well as any lib-tard) choose to ignore the FACT that since Biden has taken office, Gas prices have reached a higher point than ever, Inflation is at an all time high, Gun violence is more ramped than ever with all the shootings that have been occurring. All this since he took office.

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On 21 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

When the market is flooded with Chinese products and in some cas like Payless Shoes that sell nothing but chinese made shoes.
A China-R-us if want to think of this in those terms.

That is not even a complete sentence.

If you can not understand the above statement, then you have more issue then once previously thought.

It's a word salad.

We left it behind for the use of the Afghan securi spent 20 years training. That they capitulated alm reason it fell into Taliban hands.

Once they sing like a bird, they will chirp no more.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Meaning once they talk, how long do think that will meet their e Murdered. hmm, what do you think their chances are, not good.

Once who talks?

Um, The Afghan security forces of course... Are you asleep, try to follow along...

The Afghan security forces surrendered to the Taliban. What do you expect
them to say? This seems like a weird way to avoid admitting that you were wrong.

What if Trump is Triumphant, then what?

Then we will see what happens. And if Trump is not "Triumphant?"

After two previous acquittals of phony investigations, that were nothing more then witch-hunts... Who would you bet on? Yeah I will bet it all on Red 45.

Neither of the previous investigations resulted in "acquittal." That is not what investigations do. Both impeachments resulted in "acquittal," but those were political trials, not criminal trials.

Are you going to be playing the same sad song. Get a grip...

Trump committed criminal acts in an attempt to steal the election.

No way, if you have an issue, here is a tissue.
Suck it up, buttercup.

The mounted evidence strongly suggest that he did. Keep your tissue, you're gonna need it.

Jeff.

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On 21 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

No I was stating it was the other way around, these blue areas a metropolitan. They are dem controlled strongholds. Why are they democrat? Why do African Americans in large numbers vote Democra have never received anything of significance, what they have bee promised w/ a better way of life by the dems,
less crime, better schools, more opportunities for employment - might be the cotton candy flavor of the moment but it never seem come to fruition, and yet they continue to vote democratic.

It's all because the black people, isn't it? Didn't have to wait long for the racism to come out, did we?

I never mentioned the word "black people" but since you brought it up.

No?

democrat? Why do African Americans in large numbers vote Democra

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What do you think it is? If someone lies to your face promising what they will do for you and then you find that used you. What do you call that Jeff? Being Stupid has nothing to do with race, in-fact if you come
across a mirror you will be the first one to know.

They know full well that it's Republicans blocking the help that they need.

Jeff.

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On 21 Jun 2022, Robert Ethridge said the following...

the ignorant (and by ignorant I mean anyone who believes Biden is a good president as well as any lib-tard) choose to ignore the FACT that since Biden has taken office, Gas prices have reached a higher point than
ever, Inflation is at an all time high,

That is true around the globe.

Gun violence is more ramped than
ever with all the shootings that have been occurring. All this since he took office.

Gun violence is about on par for the norm; it happened under Trump, too.

Jeff.

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what evidence are you referring to Jeff? The fact of the matter is as
follows: There is NO evidence that is not being fabricated by the Democrats. Why would they do this you ask...to prevent Trump from running in 2024 because they know that if he runs he WILL win and they will be in deep shit. they are already in danger of losing control of congress and when they lose control of the whitehouse it will be all over.
The Democrats are notorious for fabricating evidence to support bogus scandals. if you do not believe that then you are forgetting (or choosing to ignore) the fact that Russian Collusion was completely fabricated and had no basis in truth whatsoever

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On 21 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

On 21 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

No I was stating it was the other way around, these blue ar metropolitan. They are dem controlled strongholds. Why are democrat? Why do African Americans in large numbers vote De have never received anything of significance, what they hav promised w/ a better way of life by the dems,
less crime, better schools, more opportunities for employme might be the cotton candy flavor of the moment but it never come to fruition, and yet they continue to vote democratic.

It's all because the black people, isn't it? Didn't have to wait for the racism to come out, did we?

I never mentioned the word "black people" but since you brought it up

No?

democrat? Why do African Americans in large numbers vote De

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's right Jeff I said African Americans, and I was not disrespectful by calling them black people or any other slang word of the street.
Furthermore the inquiry was quite genuine as to why they vote again and again and again when lives do not improve, one iota.

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On 21 Jun 2022, Robert Ethridge said the following...

what evidence are you referring to Jeff? The fact of the matter is as follows: There is NO evidence that is not being fabricated by the Democrats.

There is plenty of evidence being presented by Republicans in the J6 hearings.

Why would they do this you ask...to prevent Trump from
running in 2024 because they know that if he runs he WILL win and they will be in deep shit. they are already in danger of losing control of

Could be. A president that considers himself above the law is very
un-American.

they are already in danger of losing control of
congress and when they lose control of the whitehouse it will be all
over.

Irrelevant.

The Democrats are notorious for fabricating evidence to support
bogus scandals. if you do not believe that then you are forgetting (or choosing to ignore) the fact that Russian Collusion was completely fabricated and had no basis in truth whatsoever

Trump was not exonerated in the Russia scandal.

Jeff.

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On 21 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

I never mentioned the word "black people" but since you brought

No?

democrat? Why do African Americans in large numbers vo

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's right Jeff I said African Americans, and I was not disrespectful
by calling them black people or any other slang word of the street.

I see.

Furthermore the inquiry was quite genuine as to why they vote again and again and again when lives do not improve, one iota.

You blamed them for Trump's loss.

Jeff.

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so Trump was not exonerated in the Russian Collusion scandal? how can he be guilty of anything when the ENTIRE scandal was 200% fabricated by democrats? Even a lib-tard like you cannot believe that he was guilty of anything when
the ENTIRE scandal was made up...fake...did not occur....false

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AMEN BROTHER

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On 22 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Accepting mail-in ballots after election day (provided that they had appropriate postmark) is not illegal, and it does not mean that the p were open after election day.

Fox News said that Nevada was still taking in-person ballots for 10 days after election day. It had nothing to do with mail-in ballots or covid.

Nope, Nevada did not accept in-person ballots after election day.

COVID is still a threat, although a manageable one if enough people a vaccinated. The more that are vaccinated, the mor emanageable, but we have to take what we can get.

Trump left the covid engineers with no choice but to unleash it. (Technically, covid really was Trump's fault.)

There is no evidence of "COVID engineers."

Sending out ballots and receiving ballots are two different some voters have the right to mail in their ballots, why sh voters have that right?

Fine, but why make those changes in 2020 and not in 2019 or 2018 We needed to remove a certain somebody in 2020!)

We were in the middle of a pandemic in 2020.

It seems like the virus was engineered for Trump removal purposes, and it worked.

"Seems like" and "were" are two very different things. Evidence?

Jeff.

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On 22 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

the ignorant (and by ignorant I mean anyone who believes Biden is a g president as well as any lib-tard) choose to ignore the FACT that sin Biden has taken office, Gas prices have reached a higher point than ever, Inflation is at an all time high, Gun violence is more ramped t ever with all the shootings that have been occurring. All this since took office.

Biden was right when he said "the greatest threat to homeland security is white people," because he's a white guy, and look at all the disasters he's caused.

Biden never said that.

'I don't want to fught with people anymore, but I still want to spead lies
and misinformation." -- Aaron Thomas

Jeff.

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On 21 Jun 2022, Robert Ethridge said the following...

so Trump was not exonerated in the Russian Collusion scandal? how can
he be guilty of anything when the ENTIRE scandal was 200% fabricated by democrats? Even a lib-tard like you cannot believe that he was guilty of anything when the ENTIRE scandal was made up...fake...did not occur....false

The Mueller investigation did not exonerate Trump.

Jeff.

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On 21 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

The Democrats are notorious for fabricating evidence to support
bogus scandals. if you do not believe that then you are forgetting (o choosing to ignore) the fact that Russian Collusion was completely fabricated and had no basis in truth whatsoever

Trump was not exonerated in the Russia scandal.

There was no Russian scandal. That sounds like exoneration to me.
Of course the legal term is called an acquittal.

As of 09/16/2021 A federal grand jury handed up an indictment requested by special counsel John Durham and it's fresh proof that the entire Russiagate scandal was manufactured by Hillary Clinton's campaign.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/fbi-knew-collusion-was-a-nothing-burger-but-kept- fake-scandal-alive-anyway/

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On 22 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

The Democrats are notorious for fabricating evidence to support bogus scandals. if you do not believe that then you are forgetti choosing to ignore) the fact that Russian Collusion was complete fabricated and had no basis in truth whatsoever

Trump was not exonerated in the Russia scandal.

There was no Russian scandal. That sounds like exoneration to me.
Of course the legal term is called an acquittal.

Exoneration and acquittal are not the same thing. And there indeed was a
Russia scandal exposed by the Mueller report.

As of 09/16/2021 A federal grand jury handed up an indictment requested
by special counsel John Durham and it's fresh proof that the entire Russiagate scandal was manufactured by Hillary Clinton's campaign.

Uh, dude. Sussmann was acquitted.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/fbi-knew-collusion-was-a-nothing-burger-but- fake-scandal-alive-anyway/

That's but one aspect of the Russia scandal.

Jeff.

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Were you at all aware that spineless biden is rolling back the
Trump Tariff's on China. Please explain how that will benefit our country?

Who do you actually believe is paying for those tariffs? Hint: it sure as hell is not China. It's you, the usual sheep, that so *love* to be robbed over and over again!

The only ones that benefit from it are the big corporations and their billionaire share holders, because that gives them the opportunity to surpass the Rules of the Free Market. The alleged cornerstone of US capitalism. DUH!



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On 22 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Biden has taken office, Gas prices have reached a higher point t ever, Inflation is at an all time high,

That is true around the globe.

"A higher point" yea that's true, but neither Canada nor Panama have seen prices triple in 1 year like ours have.

Canada and Panama also don't have the price-gouging oil companies that we do, either.

Jeff.

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On 22 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Biden has taken office, Gas prices have reached a higher point t ever, Inflation is at an all time high,

That is true around the globe.

"A higher point" yea that's true, but neither Canada nor Panama have seen prices triple in 1 year like ours have.

And yet, our gas prices are still lower than either Canada's or Panama's,
both of which are above 6USD.

Jeff.

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On 22 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Biden was right when he said "the greatest threat to homeland se white people," because he's a white guy, and look at all the dis he's caused.

Biden never said that.

When the president tells the nation "the greatest threat is white supremacy," then non-whites hear that as "white people."

No, they don't. If you're so sure that they do, why do you feel the need to misquote him?

It's only natural though. Had he said "the greatest threat is black supremacy" then all black people who I'm unfamiliar with would be
suspects to me.

I don't doubt it. That's your racism showing its ugly head.

Jeff.

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On 22 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

There is no evidence of "COVID engineers."

I agree that there's nothing that *you* would consider evidence.

There is nothing that any sane, reasonable person would consider evidence.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

Trump was not exonerated in the Russia scandal.

There was no Russian scandal. That sounds like exoneration to me.
Of course the legal term is called an acquittal.

Exoneration and acquittal are not the same thing.

BINGO!

Monica's blue dress (with the stain) was in the evidence room
for all to see, but none of the Senators bothered to take a look.

And there indeed was a Russia scandal exposed by the Mueller report.

You do realize Melania once played the part of the first female
President of the United States in her previous life in Slovakia ...

For Life,
Lee

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On 22 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

No I was stating it was the other way around, these blue areas metropolitan. They are dem controlled strongholds. Why are the democrat? Why do African Americans in large numbers vote Democ t
have never received anything of significance, what they have b promised w/ a better way of life by the dems,
less crime, better schools, more opportunities for employment what
might be the cotton candy flavor of the moment but it never se to
come to fruition, and yet they continue to vote democratic.

It's all because the black people, isn't it? Didn't have to wait lo for the racism to come out, did we?

I never mentioned the word "black people" but since you brought it up.

You did mention African Americans. That said, pointing out that they often vote Democrat seems to be supported by numbers. Pointing out that they often don't get what they are promised is also fact.

Implying that black people are the reason Republicans can't win urban areas
is, though. There are plenty of people of all colors in urban areas that vote Democrat.

I don't see anything racist here, but a Democrat who does not like that you pointed it out sure would.

It's all about the context.

Jeff.

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On 22 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

What do you think it is? If someone lies to your face promising wha they
will do for you and then you find that used you. What do you call t Jeff? Being Stupid has nothing to do with race, in-fact if you come across a mirror you will be the first one to know.

They know full well that it's Republicans blocking the help that they ne

The Democrats control the Oval Office and both chambers of Congress. How is it that a Republican minority can currently block the help they need?

The filibuster.

For that matter, if that is true, why are there Black Republicans and conservatives, some of which even run for and hold public office? They are not stupid people. Most of them are better educated and well-spoken than anyone in this echo, and moreso than either of our recent
Presidents.

And they have to toe the party line.

Jeff.

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On 22 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

the ignorant (and by ignorant I mean anyone who believes Biden is a president as well as any lib-tard) choose to ignore the FACT that s Biden has taken office, Gas prices have reached a higher point than ever, Inflation is at an all time high,

That is true around the globe.

But not like it is here. See Japan, Germany, Canada, and several other developed countries. Our rate of inflation is higher than theirs, and is staggering compared to Japan's.

Japan appears to be an outlier, as do Venezuela and Argentina. You can compare different countries' inflation rates here: https://www.ft.com/content/088d3368-bb8b-4ff3-9df7-a7680d4d81b2

There are quite a few countries, including the US, that are hovering around
6%. Some countries are handling it better, some worse, but it's far from just
a US problem. Perhaps we could learn a thing or two from those countries
doing better than us.

Jeff.

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On 22 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

No, they don't. If you're so sure that they do, why do you feel the n to misquote him?

Joe makes caucasians -sound- like they are dangerous, when statistically they are not.

A subset of them -- white supremacists -- are dangerous, and that's exactly what Biden said.

Nancy & Chuck make caucasians -look- dangerous by inviting
the January 6 attack.

Pelosi and Schumer did not "invite" the January 6 attack.

They also make caucasians -look- stupid by going
to a "George Floyd vigil" wearing Kente cloth. (Like we think all black people are from the same tribe!)

People are allowed to express themselves through their clothing.

It's only natural though. Had he said "the greatest threat is bl supremacy" then all black people who I'm unfamiliar with would b suspects to me.

I don't doubt it. That's your racism showing its ugly head.

No, that's an example of the kind of things that can result when the president colludes with the secretary of homeland security in pitching a narrative that distracts from bigger problems that those same people caused together.

White supremacists do pose a major threat in this country. There is no "narratice" being "pitched;" it's a fact.

But for some reason you seem to be very offended and victimized by Biden's calling out of a group that you claim to not be associated with. Interesting.

Jeff.

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On 22 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

There is no evidence of "COVID engineers."

I agree that there's nothing that *you* would consider evidence.

There is nothing that any sane, reasonable person would consider evidence.

There's no evidence that there's COV-19 engineers, but there's evidence that there are other SARS engineers. Nobody has had the audacity to ask
Dr Fauci straight up if he created covid-19, so therefore we'll never know. I'll give that snarky prick that much benefit of the doubt, but
you just defend anything any Democrat or media personality or celebrity wants you to defend. You're a soldier for the Democrat army, and you've got the lowest possible rank (Fidonet troll.)

I simply asked for evidence to back up your claim, and you have none.

Jeff.

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On 23 Jun 2022, Mike Miller said the following...

I went to put your name in the Twit List and I realized that we haven't heard from some other twits in quite some time now. It's
a common practice of you people to drop off for a timer then resurface with a different name.

Seems like a lot of people live in your head rent free for long periods
of time. What's it like to carry around that much anger and rage about people on the internet?

Ron likes to say that "Lefties" can't handle facts that violate their "Narrative," but in fact Ron himself puts anyone that he sees as a threat to his own "Narrative" in his twit list, and then contiues to post about them
even though he can't see what they're saying (or can he?). It's really a very strange reaction to the truth.

It's his way of burying his head in the sand (or some other less-polite location).

Jeff.

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On 23 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

The Democrats control the Oval Office and both chambers of Congress How
is it that a Republican minority can currently block the help they

The filibuster.

That can only go so far.

It goes far enough when the maority doesn't have the votes to overcome it.

For that matter, if that is true, why are there Black Republicans a conservatives, some of which even run for and hold public office? are not stupid people. Most of them are better educated and well-s than anyone in this echo, and moreso than either of our recent Presidents.

And they have to toe the party line.

And Democrats, outside of ones from West Virginia, don't?

Not quite as much. For example, you don't hear anyone getting called a
"DINO", do you?

Jeff.

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Joe makes caucasians -sound- like they are dangerous, when statistica they are not.

A subset of them -- white supremacists -- are dangerous, and that's exactly what Biden said.

They've been pretty quiet. I haven't seen any young Hitlers in the news.

They also make caucasians -look- stupid by going
to a "George Floyd vigil" wearing Kente cloth. (Like we think all bla people are from the same tribe!)

People are allowed to express themselves through their clothing.

Chuck & Nancy expressed the idea that "All Africans are the same exploitable thing."

White supremacists do pose a major threat in this country. There is no "narratice" being "pitched;" it's a fact.

Sure, everyone's scared to death of them. That's why I didn't go to the CMA awards show.

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There's no evidence that there's COV-19 engineers, but there's eviden that there are other SARS engineers. Nobody has had the audacity to a Dr Fauci straight up if he created covid-19, so therefore we'll never know. I'll give that snarky prick that much benefit of the doubt, but you just defend anything any Democrat or media personality or celebri wants you to defend. You're a soldier for the Democrat army, and you' got the lowest possible rank (Fidonet troll.)

I simply asked for evidence to back up your claim, and you have none.

Fauci admitted to mutating SARS. That's proof that people are messing around with viruses, mutating them, and making them more deadly. Fauci's colleagues said that COVID seems to have been born in a lab, but Fauci said "Nahhhhhh."

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Hello Ron,

Now I'm wondering who you REALLY are.

Twinkle, twinkle, little star ...

I went to put your name in the Twit List and I realized that we haven't heard
from some other twits in quite some time now. It's a common practice of you
people to drop off for a time then resurface with a different name.

Always with a real name. And with so many to choose from ...

For Life,
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On 23 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Joe makes caucasians -sound- like they are dangerous, when stati they are not.

A subset of them -- white supremacists -- are dangerous, and that's exactly what Biden said.

They've been pretty quiet. I haven't seen any young Hitlers in the news.

That means nothing.

They also make caucasians -look- stupid by going
to a "George Floyd vigil" wearing Kente cloth. (Like we think al people are from the same tribe!)

People are allowed to express themselves through their clothing.

Chuck & Nancy expressed the idea that "All Africans are the same exploitable thing."

No, they didn't. They expressed solidarity.

White supremacists do pose a major threat in this country. There is n "narratice" being "pitched;" it's a fact.

Sure, everyone's scared to death of them. That's why I didn't go to the CMA awards show.

Everyone doesn't have to be scared of them for them to be a danger. Biden wasn't saying we should be afraid of them; he was saying that the danger they pose needs to be addressed.

Jeff.

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On 23 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

There's no evidence that there's COV-19 engineers, but there's e that there are other SARS engineers. Nobody has had the audacity Dr Fauci straight up if he created covid-19, so therefore we'll know. I'll give that snarky prick that much benefit of the doubt you just defend anything any Democrat or media personality or ce wants you to defend. You're a soldier for the Democrat army, and got the lowest possible rank (Fidonet troll.)

I simply asked for evidence to back up your claim, and you have none.

Fauci admitted to mutating SARS. That's proof that people are messing around with viruses, mutating them, and making them more deadly. Fauci's colleagues said that COVID seems to have been born in a lab, but Fauci said "Nahhhhhh."

What is your evidence that Fauci mutated SARS?

SARS is being studied, but the goal of that study is definitely not to make them more dangerous.

Fauci's colleagues have not said that COVID seems to have been born in a lab; in fact they say the opposite, and Fauci agrees with them.

https://www.science.org/content/article/why-many-scientists-say-unlikely-sars-c ov-2-originated-lab-leak

Jeff.

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On 24 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

They've been pretty quiet. I haven't seen any young Hitlers in t

That means nothing.

I'm not being racist, but there are more non-white criminals in the news than there are whites. So it doesn't jive with Joe's pitch to non-white voters that "it's the white ones you ought to be scared of!"

The news doesn't report on all crimes.

Chuck & Nancy expressed the idea that "All Africans are the same exploitable thing."

No, they didn't. They expressed solidarity.

Solidarity with a tribe of Ghanians who terrorized innocent people.

Solidarity with African-Americans.

Everyone doesn't have to be scared of them for them to be a danger. B wasn't saying we should be afraid of them; he was saying that the dan they pose needs to be addressed.

He said no such thing! That's BS! Now you're putting words in the mouth
of your own pal.

"Domestic terrorism from white supremacists is the most lethal threat in the homeland. We cannot and must not give hate any safe harbor." -- President
Biden

"addressed" lol he doesn't address anything except George Soros talking points

Evidence?

Jeff.

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On 24 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

What is your evidence that Fauci mutated SARS?

He admitted it to Rand Paul.

He also made it abundantly clear that Rand Paul has no idea what he's talking about.

SARS is being studied, but the goal of that study is definitely not t make them more dangerous.

Yea, the real goal of study is something that they don't talk about.

The real goal of the studies is something they talk about quite a lot: making the world safer for humans.

Fauci's colleagues have not said that COVID seems to have been born i lab; in fact they say the opposite, and Fauci agrees with them.

Sure, some colleagues didn't say it, but some did, and Fauci tried to discredit the ones that did. Any robot for the leftist army would do the same, right Jeff?

The vast majority of scientists in the field say that there is no evidence
that COVID-19 originated in a lab.

Jeff.

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On 24 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Chuck & Nancy expressed the idea that "All Africans ar exploitable thing."

No, they didn't. They expressed solidarity.

Solidarity with a tribe of Ghanians who terrorized innocent peop

Solidarity with African-Americans.

Wearing Kente cloth isn't solidarity with African-Americans, and neither is inviting yourself to a funeral of a person whom you've never met.

Indeed it is.

And most funerals are public events that do not require an invitation.

Everyone doesn't have to be scared of them for them to be a wasn't saying we should be afraid of them; he was saying th they pose needs to be addressed.

He said no such thing! That's BS! Now you're putting words in th of your own pal.

"Domestic terrorism from white supremacists is the most lethal threat the homeland. We cannot and must not give hate any safe harbor." -- President Biden

Exactly. You were misquoting it to twist it into "Joe's addressing danger," but he's not addressing real dangers. If white supremacists
were murdering people then we'd hear about it, and we're not hearing
about it.

We are hearing about it. What do you think happened at the supermarket in Buffalo, or the Wal-Mart in El Paso?

Plus Joe is totally "giving hate safe harbor."

In what way?

"addressed" lol he doesn't address anything except George Soros points

Evidence?

Everything Joe does or says is on the Soros agenda. They see eye to eye more than Joe sees eye to eye with the American people. An example is Joe's executive order which takes rights away from federal police.
George wants Joe to cripple the police, and Joe obeys George's orders.

And what is your source for the "Soros agenda?"

Jeff.

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On 24 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

What is your evidence that Fauci mutated SARS?

He admitted it to Rand Paul.

He also made it abundantly clear that Rand Paul has no idea what he's talking about.

You might as well admit that you don't know what you're talking about either.

I am not a virologist, so I depend on the expertise of those who have committedd their lives and careers to the study of viruses to evaluate such claims.

Yea, the real goal of study is something that they don't talk ab

The real goal of the studies is something they talk about quite a lot making the world safer for humans.

That's a twist from "making the world less populated for elites to
enjoy."

They are not trying to kill people.

Sure, some colleagues didn't say it, but some did, and Fauci tri discredit the ones that did. Any robot for the leftist army woul same, right Jeff?

The vast majority of scientists in the field say that there is no evidence that COVID-19 originated in a lab.

Congratulations that the "vast majority" of Fauci colleagues echo his
BS. That doesn't disqualify what the others have said about "the virus appears to have been intentionally modified." People suspected it before this news was published, and Fauci's dissenters confirmed it for us. The media (people like you) want to cherry pick our science for us, but I'm sorry to tell you that "the vast majority" of Americans aren't as dumb
as your people had hoped.

There is no evidence that the COVID-19 virus originated in a lab. If you
think you have any, please present it.

Jeff.

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Hello, Robert Ethridge.
On 6/21/22 10:08 PM you wrote:

what evidence are you referring to Jeff? The fact of the matter
is as follows: There is NO evidence that is not being fabricated
by the Democrats. Why would they do this you ask...to prevent
Trump from running in 2024 because they know that if he runs he
WILL win and they will be in deep shit. they are already in
danger of losing control of congress and when they lose control of
the whitehouse it will be all over. The Democrats are notorious
for fabricating evidence to support bogus scandals.

As opposed to Republicans that just claim things over and over and over without any evidence at all?

Pull your head out of your ass. You've been brainwashed by the Trump cult.

I'm serious, go find one of those "am I in a cult?" questionnaires, I bet you'll tick every single box, if you are capable of answering questions truthfully, that is.



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Mike Miller wrote to Robert Ethridge <=-

As opposed to Republicans that just claim things over and over and over without any evidence at all?

Ahhh... Another Ignorant Elitist projecting again.

Pull your head out of your ass. You've been brainwashed by the Trump
cult.

Now I'm wondering who you REALLY are.

I went to put your name in the Twit List and I realized that we haven't heard from some other twits in quite some time now. It's a common practice of you people to drop off for a time then resurface with a different name.


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Hello, Ron L..
On 6/23/22 8:11 AM you wrote:

Mike Miller wrote to Robert Ethridge <=-

As opposed to Republicans that just claim things over and over
and over without any evidence at all?

Ahhh... Another Ignorant Elitist projecting again.

Back in the day, "elite" was a compliment.

Pull your head out of your ass. You've been brainwashed by the
Trump cult.

Now I'm wondering who you REALLY are.

I'm just a guy. I've been here on and off for decades.

I went to put your name in the Twit List and I realized that we
haven't heard from some other twits in quite some time now. It's
a common practice of you people to drop off for a timer then
resurface with a different name.

Seems like a lot of people live in your head rent free for long periods of time. What's it like to carry around that much anger and rage about people on the internet?

I poke my head in occasionally to see what crazy excuses people like you are making for the things that your cult leaders are doing. It entertains me for awhile, but then I just get depressed knowing that the rich and powerful have you so wrapped around their little fingers, that you'll just throw away reason and believe & repeat anything their mouthpieces feed you.

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Hello Jeff!

23 Jun 22 08:37, you wrote to me:

On 23 Jun 2022, Mike Miller said the following...

Ron likes to say that "Lefties" can't handle facts that violate their "Narrative," but in fact Ron himself puts anyone that he sees as a
threat to his own "Narrative" in his twit list, and then contiues to
post about them even though he can't see what they're saying (or can
he?). It's really a very strange reaction to the truth.

Hmm, sounds like a person who claims he has a twitlist, but doesn't because he can't figure out how to do it.



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Hello, Aaron Thomas.
On 6/24/22 4:24 AM you wrote:

What is your evidence that Fauci mutated SARS?

He admitted it to Rand Paul.

Yeah, there's a real reliable source. <eyeroll>

SARS is being studied, but the goal of that study is definitely
not to make them more dangerous.

Yea, the real goal of study is something that they don't talk
about.

Do you have evidence to support this hypothesis? No, of course you don't, you're making it up because you've been brainwashed to believe that scientists are "evil".

Fauci's colleagues have not said that COVID seems to have been
born in a lab; in fact they say the opposite, and Fauci agrees
with them.

Sure, some colleagues didn't say it, but some did, and Fauci tried
to discredit the ones that did. Any robot for the leftist army
would do the same, right Jeff?

As of right now there appears to be very little evidence supporting that hypotheses. There is an investigation, not sure if much has been found yet.

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Trump tried to steal the election, but failed.

How about Ted Cruz? Wasn't he complicit? Don't let Trump steal all the infamy.

results are achieved, etc) that led to Biden's "victory."

Bullsh!t. Most, if not all, states do not even begin counting ballots until the polls have closed. The fact that they're counting after the

In my state, polling places were only open on election day. That was not the case with Nevada. It's fine though. All countries have good and bad stuff about them. We lack election integrity, and we separate children from their fathers, but we've got freedom of religion and freedom of speech 60% of the time and that's pretty swell compared to other developed nations.

Trump handled the pandemic badly. From asserting that it was a "hoax" to downplaying its severity to announcing arbitrary deadlines for a virus to exit our bodies to starting a feud with Fauci when Fauci disagreed with Trump's decidedly non-scientific advice to the American people, he
handled it very, very badly.

Isn't there more to it than that? He handled the pandemic badly with a bunch
of words that spewed from his mouth? How about his actions/inactions?
Democrats are downplaying the seriousness of covid as we speak, because they want people to feel like Biden cured covid ahead of election day.

Sending out ballots and receiving ballots are two different things. If some voters have the right to mail in their ballots, why shouldn't all voters have that right?

Fine, but why make those changes in 2020 and not in 2019 or 2018? (Hint: We needed to remove a certain somebody in 2020!)

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Accepting mail-in ballots after election day (provided that they had an appropriate postmark) is not illegal, and it does not mean that the polls were open after election day.

Fox News said that Nevada was still taking in-person ballots for 10 days after election day. It had nothing to do with mail-in ballots or covid.

COVID is still a threat, although a manageable one if enough people are vaccinated. The more that are vaccinated, the mor emanageable, but we
have to take what we can get.

Trump left the covid engineers with no choice but to unleash it. (Technically, covid really was Trump's fault.)

Sending out ballots and receiving ballots are two different thin some voters have the right to mail in their ballots, why shouldn voters have that right?

Fine, but why make those changes in 2020 and not in 2019 or 2018? (Hi We needed to remove a certain somebody in 2020!)

We were in the middle of a pandemic in 2020.

It seems like the virus was engineered for Trump removal purposes, and it worked.

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the ignorant (and by ignorant I mean anyone who believes Biden is a good president as well as any lib-tard) choose to ignore the FACT that since Biden has taken office, Gas prices have reached a higher point than
ever, Inflation is at an all time high, Gun violence is more ramped than ever with all the shootings that have been occurring. All this since he took office.

Biden was right when he said "the greatest threat to homeland security is
white people," because he's a white guy, and look at all the disasters he's caused.

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Biden has taken office, Gas prices have reached a higher point than ever, Inflation is at an all time high,

That is true around the globe.

"A higher point" yea that's true, but neither Canada nor Panama have seen prices triple in 1 year like ours have.

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There is no evidence of "COVID engineers."

I agree that there's nothing that *you* would consider evidence.

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Biden was right when he said "the greatest threat to homeland securit white people," because he's a white guy, and look at all the disaster he's caused.

Biden never said that.

When the president tells the nation "the greatest threat is white supremacy," then non-whites hear that as "white people."

It's only natural though. Had he said "the greatest threat is black supremacy" then all black people who I'm unfamiliar with would be suspects to me.

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No, they don't. If you're so sure that they do, why do you feel the need to misquote him?

Joe makes caucasians -sound- like they are dangerous, when statistically they are not. Nancy & Chuck make caucasians -look- dangerous by inviting the
January 6 attack. They also make caucasians -look- stupid by going to a
"George Floyd vigil" wearing Kente cloth. (Like we think all black people are from the same tribe!)

It's only natural though. Had he said "the greatest threat is black supremacy" then all black people who I'm unfamiliar with would be suspects to me.

I don't doubt it. That's your racism showing its ugly head.

No, that's an example of the kind of things that can result when the president colludes with the secretary of homeland security in pitching a narrative that distracts from bigger problems that those same people caused together.

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There is no evidence of "COVID engineers."

I agree that there's nothing that *you* would consider evidence.

There is nothing that any sane, reasonable person would consider
evidence.

There's no evidence that there's COV-19 engineers, but there's evidence that there are other SARS engineers. Nobody has had the audacity to ask Dr Fauci straight up if he created covid-19, so therefore we'll never know. I'll give that snarky prick that much benefit of the doubt, but you just defend anything any Democrat or media personality or celebrity wants you to defend. You're a soldier for the Democrat army, and you've got the lowest possible rank (Fidonet troll.)

Sorry about that Jeff! You seem like a cool guy aside from all that!

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They've been pretty quiet. I haven't seen any young Hitlers in the ne

That means nothing.

I'm not being racist, but there are more non-white criminals in the news than there are whites. So it doesn't jive with Joe's pitch to non-white voters that "it's the white ones you ought to be scared of!"

Chuck & Nancy expressed the idea that "All Africans are the same exploitable thing."

No, they didn't. They expressed solidarity.

Solidarity with a tribe of Ghanians who terrorized innocent people.

Everyone doesn't have to be scared of them for them to be a danger. Biden wasn't saying we should be afraid of them; he was saying that the danger they pose needs to be addressed.

He said no such thing! That's BS! Now you're putting words in the mouth of
your own pal.

"addressed" lol he doesn't address anything except George Soros talking points

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What is your evidence that Fauci mutated SARS?

He admitted it to Rand Paul.

SARS is being studied, but the goal of that study is definitely not to make them more dangerous.

Yea, the real goal of study is something that they don't talk about.

Fauci's colleagues have not said that COVID seems to have been born in a lab; in fact they say the opposite, and Fauci agrees with them.

Sure, some colleagues didn't say it, but some did, and Fauci tried to
discredit the ones that did. Any robot for the leftist army would do the same, right Jeff?

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Chuck & Nancy expressed the idea that "All Africans are the exploitable thing."

No, they didn't. They expressed solidarity.

Solidarity with a tribe of Ghanians who terrorized innocent people.

Solidarity with African-Americans.

Wearing Kente cloth isn't solidarity with African-Americans, and neither is inviting yourself to a funeral of a person whom you've never met.

Everyone doesn't have to be scared of them for them to be a dang wasn't saying we should be afraid of them; he was saying that th they pose needs to be addressed.

He said no such thing! That's BS! Now you're putting words in the mou of your own pal.

"Domestic terrorism from white supremacists is the most lethal threat in the homeland. We cannot and must not give hate any safe harbor." -- President Biden

Exactly. You were misquoting it to twist it into "Joe's addressing danger,"
but he's not addressing real dangers. If white supremacists were murdering people then we'd hear about it, and we're not hearing about it.

Plus Joe is totally "giving hate safe harbor."

"addressed" lol he doesn't address anything except George Soros talki points

Evidence?

Everything Joe does or says is on the Soros agenda. They see eye to eye more than Joe sees eye to eye with the American people. An example is Joe's executive order which takes rights away from federal police. George wants Joe to cripple the police, and Joe obeys George's orders.

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What is your evidence that Fauci mutated SARS?

He admitted it to Rand Paul.

He also made it abundantly clear that Rand Paul has no idea what he's talking about.

You might as well admit that you don't know what you're talking about either.

Yea, the real goal of study is something that they don't talk about.

The real goal of the studies is something they talk about quite a lot: making the world safer for humans.

That's a twist from "making the world less populated for elites to enjoy."

Sure, some colleagues didn't say it, but some did, and Fauci tried to discredit the ones that did. Any robot for the leftist army would do same, right Jeff?

The vast majority of scientists in the field say that there is no
evidence that COVID-19 originated in a lab.

Congratulations that the "vast majority" of Fauci colleagues echo his BS. That doesn't disqualify what the others have said about "the virus appears to have been intentionally modified." People suspected it before this news was published, and Fauci's dissenters confirmed it for us. The media (people like you) want to cherry pick our science for us, but I'm sorry to tell you that "the vast majority" of Americans aren't as dumb as your people had hoped.

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No, they didn't. They expressed solidarity.

Solidarity with a tribe of Ghanians who terrorized innocent

Solidarity with African-Americans.

Wearing Kente cloth isn't solidarity with African-Americans, and neit is inviting yourself to a funeral of a person whom you've never met.

Indeed it is.

What Chuck & Nancy did is worse than wearing blackface.

And most funerals are public events that do not require an invitation.

Funerals are campaign stops for scumbags like Joe Biden. Has he been to any brown people funerals from the Uvalde disaster?

We are hearing about it. What do you think happened at the supermarket in Buffalo, or the Wal-Mart in El Paso?

He's white, he's racist, he killed people, but he's mentally ill, and he was a lone wolf. It doesn't match Joe & Alejandro's idiotic "white supremacy" slogan.

Plus Joe is totally "giving hate safe harbor."

In what way?

He's segregating people by saying "white supremacy is our biggest threat."
Only an idiot who watches the news too much and doesn't go outside to see reality enough will fall for Joe's crap. You'd be better off trying to defend AOC than Joe Biden. Give it a try! She's a smart lady!

And what is your source for the "Soros agenda?"

George funded Joe Biden, and Joe punished federal police officers. George funded Chesa Boudin and Alvin Bragg, and they are dropping the charges for all of Obama's sons. You can't be this much of a butt kiss for the cause without knowing this stuff. Are you playing dumb or do you just want me to give you a bunch of stupid links?

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You might as well admit that you don't know what you're talking about either.

I am not a virologist, so I depend on the expertise of those who have committedd their lives and careers to the study of viruses to evaluate such claims.

You're committed to backing the scientists who Fauci wants you to back, and you're committed to trashing the scientists who Fauci wants you to trash.

That's a twist from "making the world less populated for elites to enjoy."

They are not trying to kill people.

Sure, you sound just like Mr Buxton from Pee Wee's Big Adventure:
"The Buxtons are not thieves, Pee Wee.."

There is no evidence that the COVID-19 virus originated in a lab. If you think you have any, please present it.

It was presented by the Fauci dissenters, but *you knew that* because you said it yourself "The vast majority of Fauci's colleagues support what he says."

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What is your evidence that Fauci mutated SARS?

He admitted it to Rand Paul.

Yeah, there's a real reliable source. <eyeroll>

He admitted it to him in front of a senate hearing, in front of the whole world. Where have you been?

Yea, the real goal of study is something that they don't talk
about.

Do you have evidence to support this hypothesis? No, of course you don't, you're making it up because you've been brainwashed to believe that scientists are "evil".

Nuclear fallout is a threat. Maybe we should mutate nuclear disasters so that way we can study it and prevent it from hurting people?

Sure, some colleagues didn't say it, but some did, and Fauci tried to discredit the ones that did. Any robot for the leftist army
would do the same, right Jeff?

As of right now there appears to be very little evidence supporting that hypotheses. There is an investigation, not sure if much has been found yet.

Investigate my butt. Dr Fauci's associates (some) concluded that COVID-19 appears to have been mutated in a laboratory, Fauci threatened to ruin their careers for dissenting, and it's all been documented. But defenders of the agenda will say "appears to be very little evidence.." because you guys are brainwashed into agreeing with Fauci.

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I was having a conversation with a friend of mine yesterday... a Democrat who cannot stand Trump... and the topic of the mass shootings came up. I mentioned that, aside from the one person in Buffalo, the demographic seems to have shifted from "angry white males" to males of multiple
races. We both came to the conclusion that there is something going on that is making people go off the rails beyond the "usual suspects."

Like what? I've long suspected that leftist activists are preying on mentally vulernable people with drugs and/or subliminal messaging. But is that what you're hinting at?

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Solidarity with a tribe of Ghanians who terrorized innocent people.

Where the people being buried Ghanan, and do you have proof that they terrorized people? I agree that Nancy and Chuck's choice of dress was questionable, but we need to be careful not to stereotype those that they were supposedly honoring.

The Democrats chose to wear Ashanti kente cloth. The Ashanti tribe shares similarties with Democrat culture; they are born into wealth, and they traded slaves for other goods. PERFECT for reflecting their own beliefs, but also cultural appropriation; not all Africans support slavery like Jeff's friends do.

I'm white, so if some black idiots decided to wear Nascar or Garth
Brooks t-shirts to show solidarity with me, I would be offended.

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Not sure about this, but I did read where a Soros-backed DA on the West Coast (SF?) got recalled because he was too-soft on criminals. That
means there were enough people fed up with him to circulate a petition
to get the recall on a ballot, and enough people to vote in favor of it
to make it happen. Since it happened on the West Coast, he must have
been really, really bad.

News articles suggest that George Soros is supporting he campaigns of these liberal DAs (Bragg, Boudin, etc) because of their soft on crime beliefs.
Notice how the president (who also takes generous campaign donations from Soros) has nothing bad to say about any of that crap.

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Congratulations that the "vast majority" of Fauci colleagues echo his BS That
doesn't disqualify what the others have said about "the virus appears to been intentionally modified."

Could you provided some links for this? Are those others scientists or doctors?

I don't know what happened to the article about Fauci's NIH associates disputing covid's origins, but that story was available for a while, and we've discussed it in here before. Jeff's not disputing that there were differences of opinion, he just said "the vast majority" <of Fauci's NIH colleagues> agree with Fauci.

Dr. Robert Redfield (fmr CDC director) holds the opinion that covid was
created in a Chinese lab, to which Fauci responded "that's his
scientific opinion, but there are other possibilities."

https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/fauci-refutes-ex-cdc-directors-claim-that-covid-c me-from-lab/

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No I was stating it was the other way around, these blue areas are metropolitan. They are dem controlled strongholds. Why are they democrat? Why do African Americans in large numbers vote Democrat, t
have never received anything of significance, what they have been promised w/ a better way of life by the dems,
less crime, better schools, more opportunities for employment - what
might be the cotton candy flavor of the moment but it never seems to
come to fruition, and yet they continue to vote democratic.

It's all because the black people, isn't it? Didn't have to wait long for the racism to come out, did we?

I never mentioned the word "black people" but since you brought it up.

You did mention African Americans. That said, pointing out that they often vote Democrat seems to be supported by numbers. Pointing out that they
often don't get what they are promised is also fact.

I don't see anything racist here, but a Democrat who does not like that you pointed it out sure would.


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What do you think it is? If someone lies to your face promising what they
will do for you and then you find that used you. What do you call that Jeff? Being Stupid has nothing to do with race, in-fact if you come across a mirror you will be the first one to know.

They know full well that it's Republicans blocking the help that they need.

The Democrats control the Oval Office and both chambers of Congress. How
is it that a Republican minority can currently block the help they need?

For that matter, if that is true, why are there Black Republicans and conservatives, some of which even run for and hold public office? They are
not stupid people. Most of them are better educated and well-spoken than anyone in this echo, and moreso than either of our recent Presidents.


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the ignorant (and by ignorant I mean anyone who believes Biden is a good president as well as any lib-tard) choose to ignore the FACT that since Biden has taken office, Gas prices have reached a higher point than ever, Inflation is at an all time high,

That is true around the globe.

But not like it is here. See Japan, Germany, Canada, and several other developed countries. Our rate of inflation is higher than theirs, and is staggering compared to Japan's.


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The Democrats control the Oval Office and both chambers of Congress. How
is it that a Republican minority can currently block the help they need?

The filibuster.

That can only go so far.

For that matter, if that is true, why are there Black Republicans and conservatives, some of which even run for and hold public office? They are not stupid people. Most of them are better educated and well-spoken than anyone in this echo, and moreso than either of our recent Presidents.

And they have to toe the party line.

And Democrats, outside of ones from West Virginia, don't?


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And they have to toe the party line.

And Democrats, outside of ones from West Virginia, don't?

Not quite as much. For example, you don't hear anyone getting called a "DINO", do you?

That does not prove they don't toe the line. If anything, it may prove
that they toe it even more often. IIRC, Joe Manchin got some shade thrown
on him for not toeing it... "DINO," no, but other not so nice things were
said.

Lately, there seem to be more Republican congresspeople willing to split
with the party... a lot more than the sometimes one that is Manchin.


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A subset of them -- white supremacists -- are dangerous, and that's exactly what Biden said.

They've been pretty quiet. I haven't seen any young Hitlers in the news.

I was having a conversation with a friend of mine yesterday... a Democrat
who cannot stand Trump... and the topic of the mass shootings came up. I mentioned that, aside from the one person in Buffalo, the demographic seems
to have shifted from "angry white males" to males of multiple races. We
both came to the conclusion that there is something going on that is making people go off the rails beyond the "usual suspects."


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Fauci's colleagues have not said that COVID seems to have been born in a lab; in fact they say the opposite, and Fauci agrees with them.

The part that makes the "COVID = weapon" believeable to some is not so far fetched. We have discussed before that:

(1) the US government participates in and/or funds gain-of-function research into viruses and bacteria;
(2) they do so with the stated goal being to come up with antidotes,
vaccines, etc., that would be of benefit should an attack or pandemic take place;
(3) other countries also do this;
(4) some of the US-funded/assisted research happens in these other countries; (5) some of these other countries are not places that many Americans
believe should be trusted with conducting such research, i.e. that could possibly use the research beyond the stated goal above and create biological weapons with what they find.

That is not too far fetched, and history does contain evidence that it does happen. While there is no evidence that the US government was ever involved
in assisting Nazi Germany in such a way, the Nazis did indeed have gain-of-function labs whose stated purpose was to create antidotes and
vaccines in the event that a biological attack should take place against Germany or their troops. At least, that is what everyone (including
Hilter!) was told.

While they may have also been doing that, the real reason that Himmler and others wanted the research to take place was so the Nazis could covertly
create new biological weapons of their own. Evidence now suggests that
they not only took part in this research but actually used what they found
at least once in Northeastern Italy, after the fall of their fascist
government and Italy's subsequent realignment with the Allies.

The Japanese did the same thing in Manchuria, experimenting with gain-of-function (for a supposedly good cause) on their captives while
planning biological disasters for their foes. There was a meeting of German and Japanese scientists aboard a submarine somewhere in the Indian Ocean
during WWII where they exchanged notes.

Even a smart person should question whether or not funding/participating in such research in or with less-than-friendly countries could lead to someone later using what was learned against us, or against other innocent
countries. History proves it can happen. It does not sound like it
happened with COVID but, seeing as how China has about as much regard for
their minority groups as the Japanese did for the Chinese, if I were a US researcher or top health official I would not want to be in any way
involved in working with China on any gain-of-function research.


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They've been pretty quiet. I haven't seen any young Hitlers in the n

That means nothing.

I'm not being racist, but there are more non-white criminals in the news than there are whites. So it doesn't jive with Joe's pitch to non-white voters that
"it's the white ones you ought to be scared of!"

That depends on where you live. When I think of criminals, I usually
picture a white person because most of the criminal types around here seem
to be. Now, if I was in a part of the country dominated by non-whites,
then the criminals there are probably more likely to be non-white.

IIRC, last I checked, you are more likely to be the victim of a crime that
is perpetrated by someone of your own race.

Chuck & Nancy expressed the idea that "All Africans are the same exploitable thing."

No, they didn't. They expressed solidarity.

Solidarity with a tribe of Ghanians who terrorized innocent people.

Where the people being buried Ghanan, and do you have proof that they terrorized people? I agree that Nancy and Chuck's choice of dress was questionable, but we need to be careful not to stereotype those that they
were supposedly honoring.


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"Domestic terrorism from white supremacists is the most lethal threat in the homeland. We cannot and must not give hate any safe harbor." -- President Biden

Domestic terrorism in general is always at the top of threats to the
homeland. The recent mass-shootings, which I see as terrorists acts, would prove that point. They were Americans shooting at Americans. Now, with
those recent shootings, a lot of the perpetrators were not white. As best
as I can tell, only one has been tied to being a potential "white
supremacist."

I believe Biden said "white supremacists" in that statement for a reason, but
I don't believe that we would agree on that reason. It was either a
devisive statement or a leftist dog-whistle. Either way, it seems to have worked.

The statement would have been just as true, if not even a little more so,
if he had said, "Domestic terrorism is the most lethal threat in the
homeland. We cannot and must not give hate any safe harbor." That would
have covered all domestic terror threats, and all hate. Joe, or his
handlers, decided to narrow down the threats and the hate that cannot be tolerated for a reason.


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Chuck & Nancy expressed the idea that "All Africans are th
exploitable thing."

No, they didn't. They expressed solidarity.

Solidarity with a tribe of Ghanians who terrorized innocent people.

Solidarity with African-Americans.

Wearing Kente cloth isn't solidarity with African-Americans, and neither is inviting yourself to a funeral of a person whom you've never met.

When non-liberals/non-leftists do such a thing, I think it is called
"cultural misapropriation." When they do it, it is "solidarity."

Exactly. You were misquoting it to twist it into "Joe's addressing danger," but he's not addressing real dangers. If white supremacists were murdering people then we'd hear about it, and we're not hearing about it.

The mass shooter in Buffalo targeted the store because its clientele was
mostly black and/or non-white. That is the only one I have heard of
recently. Most of the other shootings, and crimes, seem to be white/black/hispanic persons perpetrating their crimes against persons of
the same skin color, or diverse crowds.

Everything Joe does or says is on the Soros agenda. They see eye to eye more than Joe sees eye to eye with the American people. An example is Joe's executive order which takes rights away from federal police. George wants Joe to cripple the police, and Joe obeys George's orders.

Not sure about this, but I did read where a Soros-backed DA on the West
Coast (SF?) got recalled because he was too-soft on criminals. That means there were enough people fed up with him to circulate a petition to get the recall on a ballot, and enough people to vote in favor of it to make it
happen. Since it happened on the West Coast, he must have been really,
really bad.


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Congratulations that the "vast majority" of Fauci colleagues echo his BS. That
doesn't disqualify what the others have said about "the virus appears to have been intentionally modified."

Could you provided some links for this? Are those others scientists or doctors?


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I was having a conversation with a friend of mine yesterday... a Democrat
who cannot stand Trump... and the topic of the mass shootings came up. I
mentioned that, aside from the one person in Buffalo, the demographic seems to have shifted from "angry white males" to males of multiple races. We both came to the conclusion that there is something going on that is making people go off the rails beyond the "usual suspects."

Like what? I've long suspected that leftist activists are preying on mentally vulernable people with drugs and/or subliminal messaging. But is that what you're hinting at?

No, certainly not. I am thinking more along the lines of something non-conspiratory. Like we goofed when we started closing mental
institutions, or the deterioration of the family unit, or something else
that is causing people to snap or to feel so otherwise hopeless that a
killing spree seems like a good idea.

One thing I am pretty sure we are doing wrong is being too tolerant, or inattentive, of persons with violent and sociopathic tendencies.


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Where the people being buried Ghanan, and do you have proof that they terrorized people? I agree that Nancy and Chuck's choice of dress was questionable, but we need to be careful not to stereotype those that they
were supposedly honoring.

The Democrats chose to wear Ashanti kente cloth. The Ashanti tribe shares similarties with Democrat culture; they are born into wealth, and they traded slaves for other goods. PERFECT for reflecting their own beliefs, but also cultural appropriation; not all Africans support slavery like Jeff's friends do.

Do you have a link to information about the Ashanti culture?

I'm white, so if some black idiots decided to wear Nascar or Garth
Brooks t-shirts to show solidarity with me, I would be offended.

I would not be offended because I would not assume that a non-white person would never like those things.


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Yea, the real goal of study is something that they don't talk about.

Do you have evidence to support this hypothesis? No, of course you don't,
you're making it up because you've been brainwashed to believe that scientists are "evil".

Nuclear fallout is a threat. Maybe we should mutate nuclear disasters so that way we can study it and prevent it from hurting people?

It is very interesting that you mention nuclear fallout. You might not be
old enough to remember, but most of the folks who protested nuclear energy
in this country were also the same type of folks who protested what we now
call gain-of-function labs. While some of them were NIMBYs ("not in my back yard!"), those who joined them were of the left-leaning political persuasion.

I am not sure when folks from that camp suddenly changed their minds about gain-of-function labs, but I suspect for many of them (especially in this
echo) that change came after early November 2020. Possibly earlier that
year, like when they realized that Fauci did not particularly care for
Trump. For a few, it may have simply been because they don't want China to
be blamed for a pandemic.

I doubt that most of them were on board much earlier than March, 2020.

I personally choose to believe what many scientists have said... although possible, COVID-19 likely did not start in a lab.


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On 06-21-22 10:14, Gregory Deyss <=-
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BTW, the topic was what voter fraud has been discovered in the 2020
election. You pivoted to something else.

That is a complete non answer, except that you seem to be implying that the Red state voters are misinformed.

No I was stating it was the other way around, these blue areas are metropolitan. They are dem controlled strongholds. Why are they
democrat? Why do African Americans in large numbers vote Democrat,
they have never received anything of significance, what they have been promised w/ a better way
of life by the dems,
less crime, better schools, more opportunities for employment -
whatever might be the cotton candy flavor of the moment but it never
seems to come to fruition, and yet they continue to vote democratic.

Perhaps because the Democrats have given them more than the Republicans
have?

I do not know about you Dale, but if someone promised me something,
and then didn't deliver; a better way of life, or whatever it was. I
would never trust them again.

It would seem to me that the current status for African Americans *IS* a
better way of life than they had twenty years ago. It may not be
perfect, nor as good as the rest of us are privileged to have, but it
is better for many.

It was easily found with a web search.

So was this and IT is video evidence, not some "quoted article" by a
left leaning publication.
https://tinyurl.com/2vjsvwx2

? Video evidence of what? It has nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of voter fraud in the 2020 election.

What it is evidence of is the suppression of an elected official
attempting to find out what the governor was doing.

Why would anyone protest a "photo id requirement on all absentee
ballots." What are these dems afraid of.

The bill she was protesting against was a lot more than requiring photo
id on mail in ballots. That bill reduced the ability of many people
(mostly African Americans) to vote by reducing the number of polling
places and times, plus other things designed to reduce the number of
Democrat votes in future elections. It was based on the false premise
of the Big Lie of Trump that there was widespread voter fraud in the
2020 election.

Dale Shipp
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On 06-21-22 08:36, Jeff Thiele <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Outrage <=-

On 21 Jun 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

It's no mystery, take a look at the map of red vs blue and you have your answer. There is a helluva lot more Red then
Blue which is where
the misinformed reside.

That is a complete non answer, except that you seem to be implying that the Red state voters are misinformed.
Since you seem not to know the (or don't want to know) the answer, I
will give you some info to educate you. It was easily found with a web search. The summary is that the amount of fraud discovered
A. could not have effect on any election and
B. was mostly by Trump voters.
Here is the quoted article:

[...]

And just like that, Gregory doesn't want to talk about this anymore.

You noticed! What we got from him was a typical pivot when there is
nothing one can say.

Dale Shipp
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No, certainly not. I am thinking more along the lines of something non-conspiratory. Like we goofed when we started closing mental institutions, or the deterioration of the family unit, or something else that is causing people to snap or to feel so otherwise hopeless that a killing spree seems like a good idea.

It's nice of you to call these things "goofs" and it's modest for you to say "we" like you had any choice in these matters.

Andrew Cuomo (D) closed the Broome Developmental Center in Broome County NY (that's the county where the Buffalo shooter is from,) and I'm not sure how custody agreements go here in NYS, but in Indiana County Pennsylvania, there's a Democrat family court judge who facililtates fatherlessness (at least for me and my oldest son.) Coincidences, perhaps!

One thing I am pretty sure we are doing wrong is being too tolerant, or inattentive, of persons with violent and sociopathic tendencies.

School staff members don't want to stir things up, and single moms can't discipline their kids. "No TV or internet while I'm at work and while you're home alone." (yea right!)

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The Democrats chose to wear Ashanti kente cloth. The Ashanti tribe share similarties with Democrat culture; they are born into wealth, and they t slaves for other goods. PERFECT for reflecting their own beliefs, but al cultural appropriation; not all Africans support slavery like Jeff's fri do.

Do you have a link to information about the Ashanti culture?

https://www.pbs.org/wonders/Episodes/Epi3/3_wondr1.htm

Nobody knows which tribe George Floyd's ancestors are from, and for all Chuck knows, George Floyd's ancestors could easily have been sold into slavery by Ashanti tribesmen.

I'm white, so if some black idiots decided to wear Nascar or Garth Brooks t-shirts to show solidarity with me, I would be offended.

I would not be offended because I would not assume that a non-white
person would never like those things.

But is it safe to assume that George Floyd was of Ghanian ancestry, and specifically that they were members of the Ashanti tribe? There's no Google search that proves either, so leftists are left to assume that Chuck & Nancy know all about the Floyd family's ancestry.

I'm left to assume that Chuck & Nancy didn't take anthropology as an elective.

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On 22 Jun 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 06-21-22 10:14, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Outrage <=-

BTW, the topic was what voter fraud has been discovered in the 2020 election. You pivoted to something else.

Pivot?
Democrats cheered rioters for 8 months before they were outraged by Jan 6th

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On 06-21-22 18:37, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Outrage <=-

A team of Associated Press reporters spent months reviewing every
possible voter fraud case in six battleground states disputed by former President Donald Trump, and they found "fewer than 475 " a number that

I probably missed something in this thread, but who are the AP to be telling us anything? That's like saying "MSNBC spent months trying to validate Trump's claims but couldn't."

Not hardly. AP is a centrist and trusted news source.

The things that were done differently from previous
elections (due to covid) is
probably the "fraud" that Trump's referring to. He's wrong to call it "fraud" because these things were done legally,

Fraud and legally are not consistent with each other. It was not fraud,
and it was legal.

but he's almost correct
to say that "the election was stolen."

Nope -- the election was not stolen. He just did not like the way the
results came in.

It's all the covid madness (making people feel like the pandemic was Trump's fault, mail-in ballots for all, keeping polls open until
desired results are achieved, etc) that led to Biden's "victory."

The polls were not "kept open until the desired results were achieved".

Dale Shipp
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On 06-25-22 18:35, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Outrage <=-

BTW, the topic was what voter fraud has been discovered in the 2020 election. You pivoted to something else.

Pivot?
Democrats cheered rioters for 8 months before they were outraged by
Jan 6th

Yet another pivot. A common, but fraudulent, tactic in a discussion.
When you have no good response pull up a "what about it" to move the
discussion elsewhere. Sorry, I don't fall for that.

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On 06-21-22 21:58, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Outrage <=-

In my state, polling places were only open on election day. That was
not the case with Nevada. It's fine though. All countries have good
and bad stuff about

My state has had early voting in person for many years. We have always
done that. In 2020 (and now again in 2022) we have had the ability to
request a mail in ballot -- which can be mailed via USPS or put into a
drop box. That is what we did and will do.

There is at least one state that only has mail in ballots, no polling
places (I'm not sure about drop boxes though).

Sending out ballots and receiving ballots are two different things. If some voters have the right to mail in their ballots, why shouldn't all voters have that right?

Fine, but why make those changes in 2020 and not in 2019 or 2018?
(Hint: We needed to remove a certain somebody in 2020!)

Better Hint: We wanted to avoid people getting Covid from waiting in
long lines.

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On 26 Jun 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 06-21-22 18:37, Aaron Thomas <=-
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Not hardly. AP is a centrist and trusted news source.

It would be more accurate to suggest that they are dangerously close to
leaning left.
Source: https://www.thefactual.com/blog/is-the-associated-press-biased/

AP often includes subjective, leftward analysis in hard news reports and omits sources in its political writing. This reflects the worries of some, conservative critics about the creep of liberal bias at the organization, which they argue is moving away from simple reporting to providing contextual and biased analysis.

The things that were done differently from previous
elections (due to covid) is
probably the "fraud" that Trump's referring to. He's wrong to call it "fraud" because these things were done legally,

Fraud and legally are not consistent with each other. It was not fraud, and it was legal.

Sure nothing to see here. Move along. Is that it?
Tens of Thousands are in attendance at nearly every Trump Rally.
About 60 people were seen at a Biden get together and all within their own white circle w/ a chair in the center of that circle.
Biden did spend a lot of time in his basement.
I did the following search at bing.com for the phrase
"What does trump mean when he talks about fraud."
All the familiar sites came up...

npr.org - really freaking creepy w/ the soft and slow tone of voice. msn.com - leftest propaganda machine can't tolerate opposing views. cnn.com - just stop. Cartoon Network has higher ratings
huffpost.com - left as well as well as radical, it is sicking.
ABC.com - Jonathan Karl - arrogant POS.
CBS.com - Face the Nation, 60 Minutes
NBC.com - Meet the Press (more like meet the depressed.)

It would appear Donald Trump was correct after all
The Fake News Media is the Enemy of the People
Source: https://thefederalist.com/
The link below is quite compelling as it is undeniable. https://tinyurl.com/2p8cwkjw

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telling us anything? That's like saying "MSNBC spent months trying to validate Trump's claims but couldn't."

Not hardly. AP is a centrist and trusted news source.

AP has a lot of divisive articles on their website. I don't see it as centrist at all:

"Some women fear setback to hard-won rights" <- sounds leftist
"Mitt Romeny Republican is now a potent GOP primary attack" <- leftist "Sweltering streets: Hundreds of homeless die in extreme heat" <- leftist

Trusted by unsuspecting liberals sounds more like it.

The polls were not "kept open until the desired results were achieved".

Not in all states, just in Nevada.

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No, certainly not. I am thinking more along the lines of something non-conspiratory. Like we goofed when we started closing mental institutions, or the deterioration of the family unit, or something else that is causing people to snap or to feel so otherwise hopeless that a killing spree seems like a good idea.

It's nice of you to call these things "goofs" and it's modest for you to say "we" like you had any choice in these matters.

Andrew Cuomo (D) closed the Broome Developmental Center in Broome County NY (that's the county where the Buffalo shooter is from,) and I'm not sure how custody agreements go here in NYS, but in Indiana County Pennsylvania, there's
a Democrat family court judge who facililtates fatherlessness (at least for me
and my oldest son.) Coincidences, perhaps!

Now these are possibly examples of what I was thinking of. I am not sure
they are part of any conspiracy so much as they are just bad policies. In
the case of the mental institutions, I think both political sides are to
blame -- the left said it was not correct to lock people away, that they
could reform them, etc., while the right disagreed until someone showed them they could save money not locking them away.

The USA is not the only place that happened, either.

As a society, we seem to look at divorce with less of a stigma than we used
to. In some ways, I am not sure that is a bad thing as some marriages are worse than the alternative. However, it has also contributed to the deterioration of the family unit. It is not the only factor. Judges who
have a prejudice against the fathers (or mothers!) certainly don't help.

I honest think that part of the problem lies with (at least part of) our society and how we raise kids with the idea that they "need to have kids"
of their own when they hit a certain age. Not teaching them about, or
giving them proper access to, birth control is another factor. Abstinence until marriage is a great idea but it is quite obvious it is *not* effective *at all* in practice.

Drug addicts that get pregnant and continue using during pregnancy lead to children with psychological issues which also does not help.

One thing I am pretty sure we are doing wrong is being too tolerant, or inattentive, of persons with violent and sociopathic tendencies.

School staff members don't want to stir things up, and single moms can't discipline their kids. "No TV or internet while I'm at work and while you're home alone." (yea right!)

If they even try to discipline them. There are some parents who worry
about their kid's behavior and may take action. There are others who worry
but do not (scared of the kid, worried about what society would think if
they find out, etc.). Then there are those who think their kid cannot do anything wrong and actually enable the kids... even after the kid does something serious enough to land them in jail, they work to get them out.

That last group in particular should not be parents.


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It would seem to me that the current status for African Americans *IS* a better way of life than they had twenty years ago. It may not be
perfect, nor as good as the rest of us are privileged to have, but it
is better for many.

I think in some ways, it *was* getting better. The largest city in
Kentucky has been lead by "non-Republicans" for at least 40 years now. Their policies over the last 10-15 years of that time have lead to a lot of older African Americans, who lived in decent areas of town, either finding their
area going downhill or becoming gentrified to the point where they can no longer afford to live there.

The family of Briana Taylor pointed that out as one of the reasons they
thought the cops were so aggressive in certain areas... that it is some
part of the city's plan to gentrify more areas and make more tax money by driving (certain) people out of those areas.

Most White Democrats in that area seem overall please with the
administrations in question, so they keep electing the same people. Since
1990 (or slighly before... I cannot remember when Abrahamson first took
office) they have only had 2 or 3 mayors, so they get re-elected plenty.

I doubt that Louisville, Kentucky, is the only place in the USA where
African Americans are being gentrified out of their neighborhoods.


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On 06-21-22 08:36, Jeff Thiele <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Outrage <=-

And just like that, Gregory doesn't want to talk about this anymore.

You noticed! What we got from him was a typical pivot when there is
nothing one can say.

The person you are responding to does plenty of pivoting himself, so he
should recognize it easy enough.


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On 06-21-22 10:14, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Outrage <=-

BTW, the topic was what voter fraud has been discovered in the 2020 election. You pivoted to something else.

Pivot?
Democrats cheered rioters for 8 months before they were outraged by Jan 6th

True, but I think he is pointing out that those riots have nothing to do
with voter fraud, which was the original subject.


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Sending out ballots and receiving ballots are two different things. If some voters have the right to mail in their ballots, why shouldn't all voters have that right?

Fine, but why make those changes in 2020 and not in 2019 or 2018?
(Hint: We needed to remove a certain somebody in 2020!)

Better Hint: We wanted to avoid people getting Covid from waiting in
long lines.

I think Aaron would make a better point asking why some people want to keep these particular COVID-prevention, not in person options in place after the pandemic.


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npr.org - really freaking creepy w/ the soft and slow tone of
voice. msn.com - leftest propaganda machine can't tolerate
opposing views. cnn.com - just stop. Cartoon Network has higher ratings huffpost.com - left as well as well as radical, it is sicking. ABC.com - Jonathan Karl - arrogant POS.
CBS.com - Face the Nation, 60 Minutes
NBC.com - Meet the Press (more like meet the depressed.)

They all share the same agenda for sure. When they talk about Republicans they do it in a condescending voice, and they adjust their facial expressions.
Those are subtle but very obvious tricks that work good on most monkeys.

Sad Reporters + Sad Monkeys = Happy Hungarian Billionaire

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Now these are possibly examples of what I was thinking of. I am not sure they are part of any conspiracy so much as they are just bad policies.
In the case of the mental institutions, I think both political sides are to blame -- the left said it was not correct to lock people away, that

Andrew Cuomo's narrative was that "these people need to be integrated with the community," and he's probably right about that, but I'm not aware of any investments being made in mental health clinics or services around the state, so from a broad view it looks like Cuomo was neglectful & Kathy Hochul isn't picking up the slack either.

I honest think that part of the problem lies with (at least part of) our society and how we raise kids with the idea that they "need to have kids" of their own when they hit a certain age. Not teaching them about, or giving them proper access to, birth control is another factor.

It's part of my own personal agenda to teach Pennsylanian men not to become fathers in Pennsylvania, unless they're emotionally strong enough to say goodbye to their children forever, and financially strong enough to say goodbye to 35% of their gross income for up to 18 years. Kids are great, but they can be weaponized.

think if they find out, etc.). Then there are those who think their kid cannot do anything wrong and actually enable the kids... even after the kid does something serious enough to land them in jail, they work to get them out.

That last group in particular should not be parents.

Yea like the Brian Laundry (is that his name?) parents. If the media account
is true, they were covering his tracks even knowing that he killed that adorable young lady. I like parents who are apologetic when their kids offend or hurt other people. It's sickening when people refuse to be wrong, and it's menacing to realize that they're passing the idiotic philosophy on to their kids.

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On 06-26-22 11:01, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Outrage <=-

Not hardly. AP is a centrist and trusted news source.

It would be more accurate to suggest that they are dangerously close
to leaning left.
Source:
https://www.thefactual.com/blog/is-the-associated-press-biased/

AP often includes subjective, leftward analysis in hard news reports
and omits sources in its political writing. This reflects the worries
of some, conservative critics about the creep of liberal bias at the organization, which
they argue is moving away from simple reporting to providing
contextual and biased analysis.

OK, you pick a single paragraph from that article (which BTW is an
article which concludes that AP is a neutral and factual news source)
which says what you want it to say, while ignoring the overall analysis
in the article. I'll call your article and raise you one:

The AP had an average Writing Tone score of 0.79, placing it in the 96th percentile in our dataset. This is the tenth-highest score in the
dataset out of all 245 sources that we analyzed, suggesting that
articles from AP are almost always written in a highly neutral tone.
This means articles from the site rarely use emotionally loaded language
or sensationalist reporting.

Media Bias/Fact Check (MBFC) reaches a similar conclusion, classifying
AP as "Least-Biased"--MBFC's centrist category-- but close to
"Left-Center". This borderline positioning is due to left-leaning editorializing, but MBFC assesses that AP has an overall balanced story selection. AP also receives the highest possible rating for factual
reporting due to proper sourcing of information and a clean fact-check
record. MBFC corroborates AllSides in finding a slight left-leaning bias
in some instances, though they credit AP for maintaining a largely
neutral voice in coverage of the Trump presidency.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)



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On 06-26-22 12:05, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Outrage <=-

Not hardly. AP is a centrist and trusted news source.

AP has a lot of divisive articles on their website. I don't see it as centrist at all:

"Some women fear setback to hard-won rights" <- sounds leftist
"Mitt Romeny Republican is now a potent GOP primary attack" <- leftist "Sweltering streets: Hundreds of homeless die in extreme heat" <-
leftist

Perhaps those sound divisive to you, but they are simple factual
reporting, and you cannot argue that those headlines are not true.


Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 06-26-22 11:13, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Outrage <=-

Sending out ballots and receiving ballots are two different things. If some voters have the right to mail in their ballots, why shouldn't all voters have that right?

Fine, but why make those changes in 2020 and not in 2019 or 2018? (Hint: We needed to remove a certain somebody in 2020!)

Better Hint: We wanted to avoid people getting Covid from waiting in
long lines.

I think Aaron would make a better point asking why some people want to keep these particular COVID-prevention, not in person options in place after the pandemic.

And if he did ask that, I would respond that mail-in ballots (which can
be put into drop boxes) make voting access more universal and easier for
the population. I certainly prefer filling out my ballot at my desk
with ready source to information and then walking down the hall to put
it into a drop box. Much easier than voting in person.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 26 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

On 06-21-22 10:14, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Outrage <=-

BTW, the topic was what voter fraud has been discovered in the 2020 election. You pivoted to something else.

Pivot?
Democrats cheered rioters for 8 months before they were outraged by Jan

True, but I think he is pointing out that those riots have nothing to do with voter fraud, which was the original subject.

Yeah I know, I believe that there are several compelling articles as well as videos that put a spotlight on voter fraud. The lefties will try to convince us that nothing nefarious occurred in the 2020 election and they continue to try dominate anyone with a different point of view that does not match theirs.

As far as rioting is concerned nearly each and every-time it about the
contempt for the rule of law. With such things as defunding the police. Democrats are now the riot party. What started as the resurrection of the
Black Lives Matter movement has since morphed into a general mobilization of activists and marxists who seek to turn this country into a social justice utopia.

They want to hold hearings on January 6th when they should be holding hearings on the Origins of Covid w/ 600,000 dead in the U.S. and over 4 Million dead worldwide. President Biden has failed to do anything meaningful to hold China accountable.

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Andrew Cuomo's narrative was that "these people need to be integrated with the
community," and he's probably right about that, but I'm not aware of any investments being made in mental health clinics or services around the state, so from a broad view it looks like Cuomo was neglectful & Kathy Hochul isn't picking up the slack either.

"Integration" has always been a part of the "we shouldn't lock them up" narrative. For some illnesses, and some patients, that could very well be true. For sociopaths that have shown an affinity for violence, maybe not
so much.

It's part of my own personal agenda to teach Pennsylanian men not to become fathers in Pennsylvania, unless they're emotionally strong enough to say goodbye to their children forever, and financially strong enough to say goodby
to 35% of their gross income for up to 18 years. Kids are great, but they can be weaponized.

That they can. Parents often use them as weapons in such a situation... or maybe bargaining chips is a better term. It is the kids that suffer from
that behavior.

Yea like the Brian Laundry (is that his name?) parents. If the media account is true, they were covering his tracks even knowing that he killed that adorable young lady. I like parents who are apologetic when their kids offend or hurt other people. It's sickening when people refuse to be wrong, and it's menacing to realize that they're passing the idiotic philosophy on to their kids.

If the account is true, yes.


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And if he did ask that, I would respond that mail-in ballots (which can
be put into drop boxes) make voting access more universal and easier for
the population. I certainly prefer filling out my ballot at my desk
with ready source to information and then walking down the hall to put
it into a drop box. Much easier than voting in person.

Having worked in IT for years has taught me that making things "much
easier" for the user is not always a good thing. It almost always goes hand
in hand with "much easier to abuse."

Back in the early 20-teens, someone in the Federal Government came up with
a bright idea to make it easier for people to apply for some form of
federal loan or assistance. You go to the website, give it some minimal identifying information, and it would pull in your federal tax return info (either for the previous year, or multiple previous years). So it was
"much easier" to apply.

It was also "much easier" for non-honest individuals to pull the federal
tax return information of persons (plural) who were not themselves. They
then used that information to file fradulent tax returns the following year that were close enough to what the real person filed the previous year that they were able to get around most of the federal fraud prevention edits.

That had a ripple effect, so the crooks not only got away with federal
refund money, they also got away with refund money from the state the real person lived in, and from whatever other money-making schemes that they
could use that stolen return information for.

But, you know, it made it "much easier" than applying for the
loan/assistance in person or by mail, and "much easier" than having to gather that info on your own so, by the logic of some, that makes it a good thing.


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