And yes, as opposed to some leftists who support socialism. The US has never been socialist, so there's no socialism to which we can go "backwards." I don't support full socialism, by the way, but for the US that is not a "backwards" position.

It appears we have different definition of "backwards." You are using it
here like one would use "in reverse" which, you are correct, we cannot go
"in reverse" to somewhere we've never been. A very litteral interpretation.

"Backwards" can also mean "underdeveloped" or moving "towards a worse or less advanced condition," which is what I usually think of when I hear "backwards country/economy/etc." It is not that those things are litterally
moving back along the path they came, but that they are underdeveloped, deteriorating, or not advancing.

Trying to enact "green policies" before the alternatives required to make
them successful are both available and viable would be one good example of moving "towards a worse or less advanced condition." Last I checked, that is not usually an action that a conservative would get behind, but some leftists would indeed do so because their desired end justifies whatever happens
between now and then, and any economic hardships would likely affect others much more than themselves.

So, in my mind, their thinking is "backwards" even if it does not take us directly back the path we came... although I suspect some things might look familiar to someone who grew up in a previous period where electricity and modern transportation were either not available or not taken for granted.


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On 08 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

And yes, as opposed to some leftists who support socialism. The US has n been socialist, so there's no socialism to which we can go "backwards." don't support full socialism, by the way, but for the US that is not a "backwards" position.

It appears we have different definition of "backwards." You are using it here like one would use "in reverse" which, you are correct, we cannot go "in reverse" to somewhere we've never been. A very litteral interpretation.

To me, it means maintaining the status quo or reverting to a previous status quo. It's the difference between "regressive" and "progressive."

"Backwards" can also mean "underdeveloped" or moving "towards a worse or less advanced condition," which is what I usually think of when I hear "backwards country/economy/etc." It is not that those things are litterally moving back along the path they came, but that they are underdeveloped, deteriorating, or not advancing.

Perhaps. Conservatism also tends to make people believe that any change to
the status quo is necessarily a movement "towards a worse or less advanced condition."

Conservatives opposed independence from Britain. Conservatives opposed ending slavery. Conservatives opposed allowing women to vote. Conservatives opposed labor unions and laws regulating workplace safety and giving rights to
workers. Conservatives opposed civil rights for black people. Conservatives opposed miscegenation. Conservatives opposed giving women the right to vote. Conservatives opposed giving black people the right to vote. Conservatives opposed giving women the same rights as men. Conservatives opposed, and continue to oppose, giving LGBTQ+ people the same rights as everyone else.

Every single one of those oppositions was an attempt to maintain the status
quo because the alternative was seen as moving "towards a worse or less advanced condition." Every single one of those oppositions was wrong.

Trying to enact "green policies" before the alternatives required to make them successful are both available and viable would be one good example
of moving "towards a worse or less advanced condition."

We are out of time. We are past out of time. Conservatives have been hemming and hawing for 40 years while we ran out of time.

Last I checked,
that is not usually an action that a conservative would get behind, but some leftists would indeed do so because their desired end justifies whatever happens between now and then, and any economic hardships would likely affect others much more than themselves.

I am aware of the consequences of adopting green policies. I'm also aware of the consequences of not adopting them. We're seeing more and more of the effects of global climate change, but it is conservatives who are holding us back from doing anything about it because they want to maintain the current status quo.

There comes a time to move on. Do you think carriage makers and livery
stables weren't adversely affected by the move to automobiles?

So, in my mind, their thinking is "backwards" even if it does not take us directly back the path we came... although I suspect some things might look familiar to someone who grew up in a previous period where electricity and modern transportation were either not available or not taken for granted.

Conservatives' thinking is backwards because they don't want to move forward.

Jeff.

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Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

So, in my mind, their thinking is "backwards" even if it does not take
us directly back the path we came... although I suspect some things
might look familiar to someone who grew up in a previous period where electricity and modern transportation were either not available or not taken for granted.

In a sense, it does take us "backwards".

Take the current administration's hostility toward fossil fuel, as an example.

That's driving up the cost of fuel, which drives up the cost of transportation, in general. That drives up the cost of all products - including food.

That will take us back to a time when nearly all products were scarse and certainly moving it backwards.

But as we all know, Lefties always say the opposite of what they intend. So the "Progressive" movement was intended to take us "backwards."


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On 09 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Aren't these shootings "attempted murder," which is ineligible for cashless bail?

"Attempted murder" is a joke. Murder 1 and Murder 2 are eligible for cashless bail in NY. https://indefenseof.us/assets/images/BAIL-ELIGIBLE-OFFENSES.pdf

That is a list of crimes that are eligible for bail. Crimes not on that list are not eligible for bail. The list makes no distinction between cash and cashless bail. Presumably that distinction is made elsewhere, as cashless
bail definitely doesn't apply to violent felonies, in NY or anywhere else.

You seem to be under the impression that all cash bail has been done away
with in favor of cashless bail, but that is not the case. Some crimes are eligible for cashless bail, some are eligible for cash bail, and some are ineligible for bail. The combined groups of "crimes eligible for cashless
bail" and "crimes eligible for cash bail" constitute the group of "crimes eligible for bail," which is what your list presents.

Normal people don't have time to worry about the laws anymore anyway, we just have to worry about all the bullets. All the violence and anarchy
is new to us in upstate NY; we ain't used to this. The cops can't be expected to be used to it either.

This statement is based on a misunderstanding of your state's bail laws.

But on the bright side, the Cuomo/Hochul regime can say "We got black people out of jail!"

This statement is based on a misunderstanding of your state's bail laws, with
a side of racism thrown in for good measure.

Jeff.

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There comes a time to move on. Do you think carriage makers and livery stables weren't adversely affected by the move to automobiles?

I don't know but if I were you I might learn one of those two crafts
because the backwards leftist thought train is likely to take us back to
those times.

This time I am using your definition of backwards, too.


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But as we all know, Lefties always say the opposite of what they intend. So the "Progressive" movement was intended to take us "backwards."

But Ron, it is forward "progress"! It is not the progressives' fault that
they just happen to be taking us in a circle. ;)


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Perhaps. Conservatism also tends to make people believe that any change to the status quo is necessarily a movement "towards a worse or less advanced condition."

Leftists and Progressives want us to believe that every change is good,
even if it is a move "towards a worse or less advanced condition."
Your point?


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On 09 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

There comes a time to move on. Do you think carriage makers and livery stables weren't adversely affected by the move to automobiles?

I don't know but if I were you I might learn one of those two crafts because the backwards leftist thought train is likely to take us back to those times.

Nah, American ingenuity will step up to the challenge. There were naysayers about the automobile, too.

Jeff.

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On 09 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Perhaps. Conservatism also tends to make people believe that any change the status quo is necessarily a movement "towards a worse or less advanc condition."

Leftists and Progressives want us to believe that every change is good, even if it is a move "towards a worse or less advanced condition."

Not true. There are a lot of changes that progressives do not endorse.

Your point?

Conservatives oppose change, unless it is to a former condition.

Jeff.

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That is a list of crimes that are eligible for bail. Crimes not on that list are not eligible for bail. The list makes no distinction between
cash and cashless bail. Presumably that distinction is made elsewhere,
as cashless bail definitely doesn't apply to violent felonies, in NY or anywhere else.

Cashless bail does apply to violent felonies. "Non-violent felonies" is a misleading gimmick that they used here to make idiots think that people
accused of doing violent stuff *by meriam webster definition* would remain in jail; it's not the case. Judges can decide to not let defendants have bail,
but they don't care enough to do so, and they don't.

You seem to be under the impression that all cash bail has been done away with in favor of cashless bail, but that is not the case. Some crimes are eligible for cashless bail, some are eligible for cash bail, and some are

There's no cash bail in my state. Maybe in yours. We used to have it but it's gone.

Normal people don't have time to worry about the laws anymore anyway, just have to worry about all the bullets. All the violence and anarch is new to us in upstate NY; we ain't used to this. The cops can't be expected to be used to it either.

This statement is based on a misunderstanding of your state's bail laws.

It was based on your misunderstanding of it.

But on the bright side, the Cuomo/Hochul regime can say "We got black people out of jail!"

This statement is based on a misunderstanding of your state's bail laws, with a side of racism thrown in for good measure.

Another thing that you don't get is black people, because they barely exist in your region. You've got to visit outside of your bubble some day.

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On 09 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

That is a list of crimes that are eligible for bail. Crimes not on th list are not eligible for bail. The list makes no distinction between cash and cashless bail. Presumably that distinction is made elsewhere as cashless bail definitely doesn't apply to violent felonies, in NY anywhere else.

Cashless bail does apply to violent felonies. "Non-violent felonies" is a misleading gimmick that they used here to make idiots think that people accused of doing violent stuff *by meriam webster definition* would
remain in jail; it's not the case. Judges can decide to not let
defendants have bail, but they don't care enough to do so, and they
don't.

BS. Bail applies to violent felonies, but not cashless bail.

You seem to be under the impression that all cash bail has been done with in favor of cashless bail, but that is not the case. Some crimes eligible for cashless bail, some are eligible for cash bail, and some

There's no cash bail in my state. Maybe in yours. We used to have it but it's gone.

BS. You're misinformed.

Jeff.

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On 09 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Normal people don't have time to worry about the laws anymore an just have to worry about all the bullets. All the violence and a is new to us in upstate NY; we ain't used to this. The cops can' expected to be used to it either.

This statement is based on a misunderstanding of your state's bail la

It was based on your misunderstanding of it.

You understanding of cashless bail is flawed.

But on the bright side, the Cuomo/Hochul regime can say "We got people out of jail!"

This statement is based on a misunderstanding of your state's bail la with a side of racism thrown in for good measure.

Another thing that you don't get is black people, because they barely exist in your region. You've got to visit outside of your bubble some
day.

Excuse me, what? There are no black people in Texas?

Jeff.

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There comes a time to move on. Do you think carriage makers and livery stables weren't adversely affected by the move to automobiles?

I don't know but if I were you I might learn one of those two crafts because the backwards leftist thought train is likely to take us back to those times.

Nah, American ingenuity will step up to the challenge. There were naysayers about the automobile, too.

The difference, that you don't seem to get, is that while the automobile
made other things obsolete eventually, it did not do so immediately. What
I mentioned specifically was the backwards idea that you could legally or economically obsolete one thing (in this case, gas-powered autos and fossil fuel power in general) when the alternatives are not yet ready, proven, and affordable.

Horses and buggies did not go away when the automobile was first
introduced. There were no laws or screwball economic policies that forced people immediately to the automobile.

So yeah you had better learn to live more like the Amish.

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On 10 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Nah, American ingenuity will step up to the challenge. There were naysay about the automobile, too.

The difference, that you don't seem to get, is that while the automobile made other things obsolete eventually, it did not do so immediately.

The primary opponents of green energy are the companies and workers engaged
in the fossil fuel business, afraid of losing their profits and livelihood.

What I mentioned specifically was the backwards idea that you could legally or economically obsolete one thing (in this case, gas-powered autos and fossil fuel power in general) when the alternatives are not
yet ready, proven, and affordable.

We have electric vehicles that are ready, proven, and affordable. Also, this
is a false argument because none of the green policies I've heard of call for ending all fossil fuel use by a certain date. They've all had goals of
reducing emissions by X% or to some previos year's levels by a certain deadline.

Horses and buggies did not go away when the automobile was first introduced. There were no laws or screwball economic policies that
forced people immediately to the automobile.

Climate change was not as much of an issue then.

So yeah you had better learn to live more like the Amish.

Nah, I don't think so. Instead, I think the way we're doing things is
changing. I hardly drive at all since I don't commute anymore. My employer
has changed our workplace to be more group-oriented, for those times when people need to meet face-to-face. Otherwise, we primarily work from home.
They also said that the impact on traffic was a major reason for not making people come back into the office. Things will be different, sure, but not backwards.

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

That is a list of crimes that are eligible for bail. Crimes not on that
list are not eligible for bail. The list makes no distinction between
cash and cashless bail. Presumably that distinction is made elsewhere,
as cashless bail definitely doesn't apply to violent felonies, in NY or
anywhere else.

Cashless bail does apply to violent felonies. "Non-violent felonies" is a misleading gimmick that they used here to make idiots think that people accused of doing violent stuff *by meriam webster definition* would remain in
jail; it's not the case. Judges can decide to not let defendants have bail,
but they don't care enough to do so, and they don't.

Taking out my trusty meriam webster dictionary.
No such entry found. Want to try again?

For Life,
Lee




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Hello Aaron,

That is a list of crimes that are eligible for bail. Crimes not on that
list are not eligible for bail. The list makes no distinction between
cash and cashless bail. Presumably that distinction is made elsewhere,
as cashless bail definitely doesn't apply to violent felonies, in NY or
anywhere else.

Cashless bail does apply to violent felonies. "Non-violent felonies" is a misleading gimmick that they used here to make idiots think that people accused of doing violent stuff *by meriam webster definition* would remain in
jail; it's not the case. Judges can decide to not let defendants have bail,
but they don't care enough to do so, and they don't.

Taking out my trusty meriam webster dictionary.
No such entry found. Want to try again?

For Life,
Lee

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On 10 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

So yeah you had better learn to live more like the Amish.

Interestingly, while the "green energy" divide may seem split on conservative/liberal lines, there is a group of conservatives who are
extremely interested in solar/wind energy and the batteries necessary to make it reliable. I know, because I have some in my family (or technically did
have some in my family, before my wife passed).

These are the people who choose to live "off the grid." For these people,
being truly "off the grid" meant living more or less like the Amish, but renewable energy from solar and wind represent a whole new standard of living for them.

Jeff.

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On 06-09-22 20:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Cashless Bail <=-

Another thing that you don't get is black people, because they barely exist in your region. You've got to visit outside of your bubble some
day.

Last I heard, you are from NY State. Jeff is from Texas. Your
statement on the number of black people (and other people of color) is
quite wrong.

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accused of doing violent stuff *by meriam webster definition* would remain in jail; it's not the case. Judges can decide to not let defendants have bail, but they don't care enough to do so, and they don't.

BS. Bail applies to violent felonies, but not cashless bail.

We have only 1 kind of bail in NYS and it's cashless. No bail bonds, no paying bail, just letting them out as fast as we can so they don't sue. When they
said "equitable" they meant they were making it so people can get bail regardless of how much money they have - those words are quoted directly from the assemblywoman I complained to.

There's no cash bail in my state. Maybe in yours. We used to have it it's gone.

BS. You're misinformed.

I'm an expert witness. I live here. There was a man charged with strangulation for choking a woman in Johnson City. He was booked and released under the state's new bail law. Strangling a woman isn't "a violent felony," it's just "a felony."

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But on the bright side, the Cuomo/Hochul regime can say "We people out of jail!"

This statement is based on a misunderstanding of your state's ba with a side of racism thrown in for good measure.

Another thing that you don't get is black people, because they barely exist in your region. You've got to visit outside of your bubble some day.

Excuse me, what? There are no black people in Texas?

The Democrats in my state rely on black votes for power, it's not that way in Texas.

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We have electric vehicles that are ready, proven, and affordable. Also, this is a false argument because none of the green policies I've heard of call for ending all fossil fuel use by a certain date. They've all had goals of reducing emissions by X% or to some previos year's levels by a certain deadline.

Reliable electric vehicles are affordable for people who have lots of
money. That does not include me, and many others, but maybe includes you. Sounds myopic and self-centered.

You are also saying that California does not have, or is not trying to
have, a law against fossil fuel burning cars after 2035?


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Interestingly, while the "green energy" divide may seem split on conservative/liberal lines, there is a group of conservatives who are extremely interested in solar/wind energy and the batteries necessary to make it reliable. I know, because I have some in my family (or technically did have some in my family, before my wife passed).

These are the people who choose to live "off the grid." For these people, being truly "off the grid" meant living more or less like the Amish, but renewable energy from solar and wind represent a whole new standard of living for them.

I have no issues with people doing so by personal choice, but have issue
with not getting to choose, especially when it comes to things that are of great expense.

I have an electric push mower, but wouldn't want to be part of a group
forcing others to do the same. I have made a stab at using gray water for things that don't need fresh water, but there is some difficulty there and
I also would not want to force others to pursue that. There is some group locally trying to lure people into installing solar panels. I checked into
it and there was a catch that disqualified me from their "deal," but I would not want to discourage others from checking, and also would not want to force others to do it.


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Cashless bail does apply to violent felonies. "Non-violent felonies" misleading gimmick that they used here to make idiots think that peop accused of doing violent stuff *by meriam webster definition* would r in
jail; it's not the case. Judges can decide to not let defendants have bail,
but they don't care enough to do so, and they don't.

Taking out my trusty meriam webster dictionary.
No such entry found. Want to try again?

"using or involving physical force to hurt or kill something." The definition is obsolete if "aggravtated sexual assault" isn't considered "violent."

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On 10 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

BS. Bail applies to violent felonies, but not cashless bail.

We have only 1 kind of bail in NYS and it's cashless. No bail bonds, no paying bail, just letting them out as fast as we can so they don't sue.

Bullshit. The New York state law originally made most misdemeanors and non-violent felonies eligible for cashless bail, with the remainder of bail-eligible crimes remaining eligible for cash bail. It was then amended to move more crimes from the "cashless" to "cash" category.

You're mad at a law that doesn't exist.

When they said "equitable" they meant they were making it so people can get bail regardless of how much money they have - those words are quoted directly from the assemblywoman I complained to.

That makes sense. Whether or not someone gets out on bail shouldn't depend on how much money they have. If it's going to be based on a monetary amount,
that monetary amount should be determined based on its value to the accused;
20 years' worht of salary to one person might be mere pocket change to
another.

BS. You're misinformed.

I'm an expert witness. I live here. There was a man charged with strangulation for choking a woman in Johnson City. He was booked and released under the state's new bail law. Strangling a woman isn't "a violent felony," it's just "a felony."

How do you know he was released on cashless bail? It makes sense that you
might think he was, if you believe cashless bail is the only bail available. But it isn't.

Jeff.

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On 10 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Another thing that you don't get is black people, because they b exist in your region. You've got to visit outside of your bubble day.

Excuse me, what? There are no black people in Texas?

The Democrats in my state rely on black votes for power, it's not that
way in Texas.

And that's why you say I don't "get" black people?

Jeff.

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On 11 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

We have electric vehicles that are ready, proven, and affordable. Also, is a false argument because none of the green policies I've heard of cal ending all fossil fuel use by a certain date. They've all had goals of reducing emissions by X% or to some previos year's levels by a certain deadline.

Reliable electric vehicles are affordable for people who have lots of money. That does not include me, and many others, but maybe includes
you. Sounds myopic and self-centered.

The price will go down as they become more common.

You are also saying that California does not have, or is not trying to have, a law against fossil fuel burning cars after 2035?

That sounds like a transition plan to me.

Jeff.

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On 11 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

These are the people who choose to live "off the grid." For these people being truly "off the grid" meant living more or less like the Amish, but renewable energy from solar and wind represent a whole new standard of l for them.

I have no issues with people doing so by personal choice, but have issue with not getting to choose, especially when it comes to things that are
of great expense.

The costs will come down as the devices become more common. The transition isn't going to happen overnight.

I have an electric push mower, but wouldn't want to be part of a group forcing others to do the same. I have made a stab at using gray water
for things that don't need fresh water, but there is some difficulty
there and I also would not want to force others to pursue that. There
is some group locally trying to lure people into installing solar
panels. I checked into it and there was a catch that disqualified me
from their "deal," but I would not want to discourage others from checking, and also would not want to force others to do it.

Great. These things will help the costs come down over time.

Do you resent being forced to transition to digital television? Do you resent being forced to transition to flatscreen TVs and monitors instead of CRTs?

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

But on the bright side, the Cuomo/Hochul regime can

say "We

people out of jail!"

This statement is based on a misunderstanding of your

state's ba

with a side of racism thrown in for good measure.

Another thing that you don't get is black people, because they

barely

exist in your region. You've got to visit outside of your bubble

some

day.

Excuse me, what? There are no black people in Texas?

The Democrats in my state rely on black votes for power, it's not that way in Texas.

You're right. Texicans have brown power.

For Life,
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On 12 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Excuse me, what? There are no black people in Texas?

The Democrats in my state rely on black votes for power, it's not tha in Texas.

You're right. Texicans have brown power.

The four most commonly-spoken languages in Texas are English, Spanish, Vietnamese, and Chinese. Tagalog is fifth, just barely edging out German, French, Hindi, Urdu, Korean, and Arabic (in that order).

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

[..]

Taking out my trusty meriam webster dictionary.
No such entry found. Want to try again?

"using or involving physical force to hurt or kill something." The definition is obsolete if "aggravtated sexual assault" isn't considered "violent."

WHAT SPECIFIC WORD ARE YOU YAPPING ABOUT?

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Hello Jeff,

[..]

Do you resent being forced to transition to digital television? Do you resent
being forced to transition to flatscreen TVs and monitors instead of CRTs?

Some of the deaf and hard of hearing do. TV antennas for digital
televisions are not designed to work for CRTs. And cordless headphones
are not as clear as corded headphones are for those who are hard of
hearing. That is why a good number of people who are hard of hearing
visit thrift stores.

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We have only 1 kind of bail in NYS and it's cashless. No bail bonds, paying bail, just letting them out as fast as we can so they don't su

Bullshit. The New York state law originally made most misdemeanors and non-violent felonies eligible for cashless bail, with the remainder of bail-eligible crimes remaining eligible for cash bail. It was then
amended to move more crimes from the "cashless" to "cash" category.

I stand corrected. There's still cash bail for certain offenses, but here's where you're still wrong: You say that people don't get out on cashless bail for "violent offenses," but aggravated sexual assault (for example) sounds violent to me.

You're mad at a law that doesn't exist.

The law still sucks, and the state is still seeing a gigantic crime spike since April of 2019, when Cuomo signed the bill. Some Republicans in the state
senate got them to remove more offenses from the cashless bail category, but
it doesn't appear to have helped much.

I'm an expert witness. I live here. There was a man charged with strangulation for choking a woman in Johnson City. He was booked and released under the state's new bail law. Strangling a woman isn't "a violent felony," it's just "a felony."

How do you know he was released on cashless bail? It makes sense that you might think he was, if you believe cashless bail is the only bail available. But it isn't.

I don't know *for sure* but it was in the local news.

"In Broome County, some of the releases from the past week include:
Fifteen men and one woman arrested for strangulation.
A woman arrested for rape of a mentally disabled victim and injuring a
child.
Three men arrested for soliciting the sexual performance of a child.
Four men arrested for injuring a child.
A man charged with manslaughter recklessly causing a death"

That's a snippet from this article:

https://www.pressconnects.com/story/opinion/2020/01/10/new-york-bail-reform-sen fred-akshar-opinion-op-ed/2847544001/

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The Democrats in my state rely on black votes for power, it's not tha way in Texas.

And that's why you say I don't "get" black people?

You don't get it that they (some of them) will thank Cuomo for the low incarceration rate, and they'll thank him by voting Democrat.

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Do you resent being forced to transition to digital television? Do you resent being forced to transition to flatscreen TVs and monitors instead of CRTs?

Actually, yes to the first one. We could get free TV here, from three different TV markets, until digital. The digital broadcasts do not travel and maintain integrity as far. It would have been OK had they not forced the analog broadcasts to be turned off. Now we cannot get free, OTA television.


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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

We have only 1 kind of bail in NYS and it's cashless. No bail bo paying bail, just letting them out as fast as we can so they don

I stand corrected. There's still cash bail for certain offenses, but here's where you're still wrong: You say that people don't get out on cashless bail for "violent offenses," but aggravated sexual assault (for example) sounds violent to me.

How do you know that people who commit aggravated sexual assault are eligible for cashless bail? Yesterday you thought there was no cash bail in NYS.

You're mad at a law that doesn't exist.

The law still sucks, and the state is still seeing a gigantic crime
spike since April of 2019, when Cuomo signed the bill. Some Republicans
in the state senate got them to remove more offenses from the cashless bail category, but it doesn't appear to have helped much.

Perhaps that law is not the problem.

I'm an expert witness. I live here. There was a man charged with strangulation for choking a woman in Johnson City. He was booked released under the state's new bail law. Strangling a woman isn' violent felony," it's just "a felony."

How do you know he was released on cashless bail? It makes sense that might think he was, if you believe cashless bail is the only bail available. But it isn't.

I don't know *for sure* but it was in the local news.

I see.

"In Broome County, some of the releases from the past week include: Fifteen men and one woman arrested for strangulation.
A woman arrested for rape of a mentally disabled victim and injuring a child.
Three men arrested for soliciting the sexual performance of a child.
Four men arrested for injuring a child.
A man charged with manslaughter recklessly causing a death"

It doesn't say "releases on cashless bail," now does it?

That's a snippet from this article: https://www.pressconnects.com/story/opinion/2020/01/10/new-york-bail-refor fred-akshar-opinion-op-ed/2847544001/

Ah, an op-ed. Nice.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

The Democrats in my state rely on black votes for power, it's no way in Texas.

And that's why you say I don't "get" black people?

You don't get it that they (some of them) will thank Cuomo for the low incarceration rate, and they'll thank him by voting Democrat.

So you're saying that the majority of the people who benefit from cashless
bail are black, by which you mean that most criminals are black? And that doesn't sound racist to you?

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Do you resent being forced to transition to digital television? Do you r being forced to transition to flatscreen TVs and monitors instead of CRT

Actually, yes to the first one. We could get free TV here, from three different TV markets, until digital. The digital broadcasts do not
travel and maintain integrity as far. It would have been OK had they
not forced the analog broadcasts to be turned off. Now we cannot get
free, OTA television.

Fair enough. My interest in retrocomputing makes me resent the second a
little.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

Excuse me, what? There are no black people in Texas?

The Democrats in my state rely on black votes for power, it's

not tha

in Texas.

You're right. Texicans have brown power.

The four most commonly-spoken languages in Texas are English, Spanish, Vietnamese, and Chinese. Tagalog is fifth, just barely edging out German, French, Hindi, Urdu, Korean, and Arabic (in that order).

English, combined with Spanish, is Spanglish. The most common
language in Texas, as spoken by Texicans. All other languages pale
in comparison. I rest my case.

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"using or involving physical force to hurt or kill something." The definition is obsolete if "aggravtated sexual assault" isn't consider "violent."

WHAT SPECIFIC WORD ARE YOU YAPPING ABOUT?

Violence. Tell me how aggravated sexual assault is "non-violent," since it's listed as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense.

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How do you know that people who commit aggravated sexual assault are eligible for cashless bail? Yesterday you thought there was no cash bail in NYS.

I gave you the link to the news report. The media are your friends.

It doesn't say "releases on cashless bail," now does it?

When they say "bail reform" they're talking about cashless bail. That's what the article is all about.

https://www.pressconnects.com/story/opinion/2020/01/10/new-york-bail- fred-akshar-opinion-op-ed/2847544001/

Ah, an op-ed. Nice.

There are facts in there.

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The Democrats in my state rely on black votes for power, it way in Texas.

And that's why you say I don't "get" black people?

You don't get it that they (some of them) will thank Cuomo for the lo incarceration rate, and they'll thank him by voting Democrat.

So you're saying that the majority of the people who benefit from
cashless bail are black, by which you mean that most criminals are
black? And that doesn't sound racist to you?

No, the Democrat assemblywoman's talking point is that "cashless bail/bail reform is for racial equity." She's the one who deserves these questions, not me.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

English, combined with Spanish, is Spanglish. The most common
language in Texas, as spoken by Texicans. All other languages pale
in comparison. I rest my case.

Hmm. I'm not so sure about that. There are an awful lot of people here who speak only English and insist that others do the same.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

How do you know that people who commit aggravated sexual assault are eligible for cashless bail? Yesterday you thought there was no cash b in NYS.

I gave you the link to the news report. The media are your friends.

It was an op-ed, not a "news report."

It doesn't say "releases on cashless bail," now does it?

When they say "bail reform" they're talking about cashless bail. That's what the article is all about.

It's an op-ed, not an article. People can say whatever they want in an op-ed.

Ah, an op-ed. Nice.

There are facts in there.

There are purported facts in there.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

So you're saying that the majority of the people who benefit from cashless bail are black, by which you mean that most criminals are black? And that doesn't sound racist to you?

No, the Democrat assemblywoman's talking point is that "cashless
bail/bail reform is for racial equity." She's the one who deserves these questions, not me.

Equity: justice according to natural law or right; specifically: freedom from bias or favoritism

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/equity

If black people are statistically poorer than white people, but cash bail amounts do not take a person's financial situation into account, then there
is a lack of equity based on race.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

English, combined with Spanish, is Spanglish. The most common
language in Texas, as spoken by Texicans. All other languages pale
in comparison. I rest my case.

Hmm. I'm not so sure about that. There are an awful lot of people here who speak only English and insist that others do the same.

Beto O'Rourke seems to disagree with you.
The crowd booed his opponent in Uvalde, Texas.
While at the same time giving him a rousing cheer.
It was so loud the governor had to ban him from
the gathering. Most of the crowd then followed
him out, where he continued to say his piece ...

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Hello Aaron,

"using or involving physical force to hurt or kill something."

The

definition is obsolete if "aggravtated sexual assault" isn't

consider

"violent."

WHAT SPECIFIC WORD ARE YOU YAPPING ABOUT?

Violence.

violence -
1. physical force used so as to injure.
2. powerful force, such as a hurricane.
3. harm done by violating rights, etc.
4. violent act or deed.

source: Webster's New World Dictionary

Tell me how aggravated sexual assault is "non-violent," since it's
listed as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense.

Your assertion of aggravated sexual assault as being listed
as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense is just that.
An unfounded and unsupported assertion.

For Life,
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Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

There are facts in there.

Remember that Lefties are fully vaccinated against facts. That's why they seem to drop off from time to time - they need to get their boosters.


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Your assertion of aggravated sexual assault as being listed
as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense is just that.
An unfounded and unsupported assertion.

It's "bail eligible under NY's new bail law." My assertion is that it's
violent to sexually assault someone, but the law asserts otherwise.

https://indefenseof.us/assets/images/BAIL-ELIGIBLE-OFFENSES.pdf

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On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Your assertion of aggravated sexual assault as being listed
as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense is just that.
An unfounded and unsupported assertion.

It's "bail eligible under NY's new bail law." My assertion is that it's violent to sexually assault someone, but the law asserts otherwise. https://indefenseof.us/assets/images/BAIL-ELIGIBLE-OFFENSES.pdf

Bullsh!t, Aaron.

As I told you before, that list is a list of all bail-eligible offenses, not just cashless-bail-eligible offenses.

Jeff.

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On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Your assertion of aggravated sexual assault as being listed
as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense is just that.
An unfounded and unsupported assertion.

It's "bail eligible under NY's new bail law." My assertion is that it's violent to sexually assault someone, but the law asserts otherwise.

You seem to be confusing offenses made eligible for cashless bail with previously-bail-ineligible offenses made eligible for cash bail, both of
which were part of New York's bail reform law.

The violent crimes to which you're referring were not made eligible for cashless bail, but were previously ineligible for bail but are now eligible
for cash bail.

Here's an explanation:

"New York's new bail reform law had been in effect for a mere three months
when the state legislature amended it in early April. The most significant change is that there are more situations where judges can impose cash bail. They will also have more discretion in setting bail and other conditions of pretrial release. The updates go into effect on July 1 [2020].
[...]
"The basic framework established by the original bail reform law has not changed. For most misdemeanors and nonviolent felonies, judges are still required to release people with the least restrictive conditions necessary to reas­on­ably assure the person will come back to court. For these crimes, cash bail is still prohibited.
[...]
"The original bail reform law allowed cash bail for almost all violent
felonies and certain nonviolent felonies, such as sex offenses and witness tampering. The revisions added additional crimes and circumstances to this category. They include second-degree burglary where an individual is charged with entering the living area of a home, certain sex trafficking offenses, and promoting an obscene sexual performance of a child. They also include some crimes involving assault, including vehicular assault, and all charges alleged to have caused the death of a person.
[...]
"Under the revisions, judges will be able to set cash bail based not only on the crime committed but also on a person's legal history and status, allowing for more cases where bail could be used.
[...]
"Even though the new law permits the use of cash bail in more cases, it certainly is not required. Even for bail-eligible offenses, New York law
allows judges to release people under a variety of conditions pending trial designed to ensure the person’s return to court.
[...]
"There are also still various options for exactly how judges can set bail. For example, instead of cash bail, judges may also order different types of bonds, including a type where friends and family members agree to guarantee a
person's return to court, and a secured type, for which property used as collateral can be forfeited if a person fails to return to court."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/new-yorks-latest-bail-l aw-changes-explained

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

Your assertion of aggravated sexual assault as being listed
as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense is just that.
An unfounded and unsupported assertion.

It's "bail eligible under NY's new bail law." My assertion is that it's violent to sexually assault someone, but the law asserts otherwise.

Jeff T. explained it to you so as even a child could understand.
So I will not bother to repeat.

For Life,
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On 14 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Your assertion of aggravated sexual assault as being listed
as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense is just that.
An unfounded and unsupported assertion.

It's "bail eligible under NY's new bail law." My assertion is that it violent to sexually assault someone, but the law asserts otherwise.

Jeff T. explained it to you so as even a child could understand.
So I will not bother to repeat.

I think Aaron's had his ass handed to him one too many times and doesn't want anything to do with me right now.

Jeff.

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As I told you before, that list is a list of all bail-eligible offenses, not just cashless-bail-eligible offenses.

"Bail-eligible offenses under New York's new bail laws" is what it says.

Not "bail-eligible offenses."

https://indefenseof.us/assets/images/BAIL-ELIGIBLE-OFFENSES.pdf

Nice try!

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"Even though the new law permits the use of cash bail in more cases, it certainly is not required. Even for bail-eligible offenses, New York law allows judges to release people under a variety of conditions pending trial designed to ensure the person’s return to court.

They're not doing it then, because the crime crisis is real. I used to blame Joe Biden all the time too but I guess this is actually just all
Cuomo/Hochul's fault.

They made it free to get out of jail (for most people,) and now we have a crime crisis. Plain and simple. Now, let's speculate about other possible causes of an unprecedented crime spike occuring after January 2019: hmm, maybe white supremacy? hmmmm, maybe blacks getting killed by cops? hmm, the southern strategy? hmm, I just can't say for sure but it's definitely not from the
jails being emptied though.

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On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

As I told you before, that list is a list of all bail-eligible offens not just cashless-bail-eligible offenses.

"Bail-eligible offenses under New York's new bail laws" is what it says. Not "bail-eligible offenses."

As we've previously established (with a link to back it up), New York's bail reform includes both cash and cashless bail. Some offenses remain ineligible for bail of either type.

The list you've posted is a list of all bail-eligible offenses, regardless of whether they are cash- or cashless-bail-eligible. People are upset that aggravated sexual assault, for example, has been moved from the
bail-ineligible category to the cash-bail-eligible category, which is a
subset of the bail-eligible category.

But not you. You're upset because your ignorance leads you to believe that aggravated sexual assault has been moved to the cashless-bail-eligible category, which it hasn't, depsite having had this explained to you at least twice (with supporting link).

However, since you're so upset about aggravated sexual assault being moved to the cashless-bail-eligible category (which it hasn't) from the cash-bail-eligible category (which it wasn't previously in), then
unfortunately you have no room now to complain about it being cash-bail-eligible.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

We have only 1 kind of bail in NYS and it's cashless. No bail bo paying bail, just letting them out as fast as we can so they don

[REDACTED] The New York state law originally made most misdemeanors non-violent felonies eligible for cashless bail, with the remainder o bail-eligible crimes remaining eligible for cash bail. It was then
amended to move more crimes from the "cashless" to "cash" category.

I stand corrected. There's still cash bail for certain offenses, but here's where you're still wrong: You say that people don't get out on cashless bail for "violent offenses," but aggravated sexual assault (for example) sounds violent to me.

You were so close, man. So close.

Here's what I think happened:

1. You misunderstood the New York bail reform to mean that the only type of bail that New York has is cashless (which is incorrect; New York has both cashless and cash bail, depending on the offense).

2. Thinking that New York has only cashless bail, you read or heard people complaining about people being released on bail for aggravated sexual
assault. You assumed that they must be being released on cashless bail, since you were under the impression that cashless bail was the only type of bail available in NY. They were in fact complaining about people being released on cash bail for this offense, because it had previously been bail-ineligible.

3. Upon finding out that there is in fact still cash bail in New York, you acknowledged it, but can't seem to apply this to your previous thinking.

4. You continue to insist that aggravated sexual assault is cashless-bail-eligible, which it isn't, because you found it on a list of bail-eligible offenses and some part of your brain can't integrate new facts into previous conclusions.

Jeff.

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On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Now, let's speculate about other
possible causes of an unprecedented crime spike occuring after January 2019:

Yes, let's. Starting with the fact that New York's bail reform legislation didn't go into effect until January of 2020.

"New York's bail reform legislation went into effect at the start of
2020 and, together with revisions passed just a few months later, changed
the likelihood of monetary bail being assessed pending the outcome of a criminal case. Broadly speaking, the law separates cases into two
categories, based on the alleged crime involved."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/facts-bail-reform-and-c rime-rates-new-york-state

Jeff.

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Now, let's speculate about other
possible causes of an unprecedented crime spike occuring after Januar 2019:

Yes, let's. Starting with the fact that New York's bail reform
legislation didn't go into effect until January of 2020.

You're right, I got those years mixed up. So what are the other possible
causes for the crime spike in NYS from between 2020 and now?

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On 14 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Yes, let's. Starting with the fact that New York's bail reform legislation didn't go into effect until January of 2020.

You're right, I got those years mixed up. So what are the other possible causes for the crime spike in NYS from between 2020 and now?

There isn't enough data to tell.

"There is no clear connection between recent crime increases and the bail reform law enacted in 2019, and the data does not currently support further revisions to the legislation."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/facts-bail-reform-and-c rime-rates-new-york-state

Keep in mind that "innocent until proven guilty" is a primary tenet of our legal system, and people eligible to be released on bail have not been convicted of the crime for which they were arrested. The time that they spend in jail awaiting trial is not a punishment for anything. (It can be converted to punitive jail time -- "time served" -- but people who are found innocent
are not considered to have received any punishment by having been imprisoned while awaiting trial. It is instead a means of ensuring that the accused is present for their hearings, trial, etc. The New York bail reform seeks to ensure that if a less restrictive means of guaranteeing their presence is available (cash bail, ankle monitor, confiscation of passport, etc.) then that should be used instead of imprisonment. Texas does not have cashless bail,
per se, but accused persons can be released "on their own recognizance,"
which is pretty much the same thing. California and other states have it as well.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/release_on_one%27s_own_recognizance

Jeff.

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"There is no clear connection between recent crime increases and the bail reform law enacted in 2019, and the data does not currently support further revisions to the legislation."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/facts-bail-reform- rime-rates-new-york-state

I can't prove to you that the new bail laws play a role in it, but you can't prove to me that they don't play a role either. There comes a time in life to stop looking at google and KFFs for the answer to everything, and to start looking around at what's happening. Why would your pals the media want me to
be complaining about all these crazy crimes and rising crime rates? That's
what you should be asking yourself. Somebody from your people has decided to tell us all about the rising crime rates with more than enough details to back the stories up. They're gonna blow the hussle for you guys!

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On 06-13-22 20:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Cashless Bail <=-

As I told you before, that list is a list of all bail-eligible offenses, not just cashless-bail-eligible offenses.

"Bail-eligible offenses under New York's new bail laws" is what it
says.
Not "bail-eligible offenses."

https://indefenseof.us/assets/images/BAIL-ELIGIBLE-OFFENSES.pdf

Nice try!

?????????

Why are you telling Jeff nice try now that you finally agree with him?

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On 14 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

"There is no clear connection between recent crime increases and the reform law enacted in 2019, and the data does not currently support further revisions to the legislation." https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/facts-bail-re rime-rates-new-york-state

I can't prove to you that the new bail laws play a role in it, but you can't prove to me that they don't play a role either. There comes a time in life to stop looking at google and KFFs for the answer to everything, and to start looking around at what's happening.

Your ability to "look around at what's happening" is highly suspect at this point. You consult "psychics" and rely on your imagination, for crying out loud.

Why would your pals the
media want me to be complaining about all these crazy crimes and rising crime rates? That's what you should be asking yourself. Somebody from

Perhaps the media is not "complaining," but "reporting."

That's what you should be asking yourself. Somebody from
your people has decided to tell us all about the rising crime rates with more than enough details to back the stories up. They're gonna blow the hussle for you guys!

I don't deny that there's been an increase in crime. But as you've said, you cannot prove it to be related to bail reform.

You made the claim and you cannot prove it. Womp, womp, womp.

Jeff.

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