According to Fox News (borderline fake news) NY Gov Kathy Hochul has covid,
but of course, like all the other Democrats who "got covid," she's asymptomatic.

How is it that all of the most famous Democrats are "contracting covid" and being "asymptomatic?" I don't wish symptoms on these people, but I wish for
the mysteriousness of the Democrat-asymptomatic cases to serve as a wake-up call for everyone:

Somehow, when Democrats get covid, they are "asymptomatic." Like every time! Hillary, Barrack, Pelosi, and so many more. Do they *really* have covid?

I'm not a genious, but I've averted covid all this time, without any crappy vaccine. How is it that such a smart human like Barrack, Hillary, or Kathy could end up with covid?

I don't buy it. They're either creating this narrative:
"We got covid but we were asymptomatic because we're vaccinated."

or this one:
"Everyone gets covid at some point - EVERYONE, so, ya better get vax'd!"

These people know more about covid than I do. They are in on the damn hustle somehow. It makes NO sense that they are "testing positive for covid" while a dumb hillbilly like me steers clear of it for 3 years straight.

Wake up!

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On 05-08-22 21:04, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to All about AsymptoDems <=-

According to Fox News (borderline fake news) NY Gov Kathy Hochul has covid, but of course, like all the other Democrats who "got covid,"
she's asymptomatic.

How is it that all of the most famous Democrats are "contracting
covid" and being "asymptomatic?" I don't wish symptoms on these people, but I wish for the mysteriousness of the Democrat-asymptomatic cases to serve as a wake-up call for everyone:

<<SNIP>>

These people know more about covid than I do. They are in on the damn hustle somehow. It makes NO sense that they are "testing positive for covid" while a dumb hillbilly like me steers clear of it for 3 years straight.

I can give you several plausible factors.

These politicians have broad contact with many people, with some
contacts at mass gatherings. That makes them more prone to get infected
and test positive.

Also, they are tested far more often than most of us. Thus, if they get infected then it gets diagnosed properly and quickly -- independent of
showing any symptoms.

And finally, the current Covid (BA-2) is more infectious than the
previous variants, but does not normally result in as severe symptoms -- especially for those who are fully vaccinated (i.e. four shots).

In fact, you may have gotten infected but passed it off as a minor or
severe cold and not gotten tested -- hence not aware that you had Covid.

Dale Shipp
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How is it that all of the most famous Democrats are "contracting covid" and being "asymptomatic?" I don't wish symptoms on these people, but I wish for the mysteriousness of the Democrat-asymptomatic cases to serve as a wake-up call for everyone:

While it seems a little odd to me, since I now know two people who were
fully vaxed but went to hospital, got put on a vent, and died anyway,
so I would expect at least one "famous Democrat" who "has COVID" to
actually get a little sick.

Supposedly, if you get the vax you are more likely to have fewer or no symptoms. Could also mean their tests were false positive.

I don't buy it. They're either creating this narrative:
"We got covid but we were asymptomatic because we're vaccinated."

Don't know about creating but they sure want you to know that they are vaccinated and that they are asymptomatic.


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Also, they are tested far more often than most of us. Thus, if they get infected then it gets diagnosed properly and quickly -- independent of showing any symptoms.

This also. I am sure they are tested a whole lot more than most of us.


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These politicians have broad contact with many people, with some
contacts at mass gatherings. That makes them more prone to get infected and test positive.

Ok, so maybe those "mass gatherings" are what did them in. But why do they agree to it? If I were a person with any authority, I think I would demand
more space from people as a precaution, but sure, maybe they get into situations where that's not possible, but too much benefit of too much doubt..

Also, they are tested far more often than most of us. Thus, if they get infected then it gets diagnosed properly and quickly -- independent of showing any symptoms.

That may be true, but it seems like you'd be giving them too much benefit of the doubt here. There are many Americans still doing required weekly covid tests as an alternative to taking the vaccine. I don't think that even the top gov officials would be testing more than 1x per week, like us commoners.

And finally, the current Covid (BA-2) is more infectious than the
previous variants, but does not normally result in as severe symptoms -- especially for those who are fully vaccinated (i.e. four shots).

I'm not blaming you, but that sounds like media jargon. Covid has always been described as "highly contagious." To me, that seems like (not blaming you) a convenient way for the Biden administration to weasel out of seeing more covid deaths than the previous administration.

And finally, the current Covid (BA-2) is more infectious than the
previous variants, but does not normally result in as severe symptoms -- especially for those who are fully vaccinated (i.e. four shots).

That part makes sense, but the only problem I have with it is that we'd have
to trust the media in order to believe it, and we'd have to not believe what the medical community is saying about overcrowding in the ICUs.

The media wants us to believe that Joe's got more covid deaths under his belt than Trump as a result of "it's more contagious than ever!" But how are we supposed to believe that while we've witnessed so much loosening of covid safety protocols?

I appreciate everything you've said here, but please consider the possibility that the government, top officials, and the media, have us eating at an
endless lie-buffet.

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While it seems a little odd to me, since I now know two people who were fully vaxed but went to hospital, got put on a vent, and died anyway,
so I would expect at least one "famous Democrat" who "has COVID" to actually get a little sick.

Yes, same here. I don't want Democrats to die or anything, but it would offer some peace of mind if we actually saw them walking in our shoes.

Supposedly, if you get the vax you are more likely to have fewer or no symptoms. Could also mean their tests were false positive.

Right, but unfortunately for peace-of-mind, I haven't heard of any such cases.

Don't know about creating but they sure want you to know that they are vaccinated and that they are asymptomatic.

Thank you for realizing this.

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Supposedly, if you get the vax you are more likely to have fewer or no symptoms. Could also mean their tests were false positive.

Right, but unfortunately for peace-of-mind, I haven't heard of any such cases.

You mean you have never heard of anyone who was vaxed, got COVID, and had
few or no symptoms? Sounds like these Democrats fit that category.

If you mean the positives turned out to be false, I have heard of a few of those. They were usually in sportsing, and were usually before the shots
were available. Nick Saban is an example. He tested positive one week and
was expected to miss a game, but then had two straight negatives and was on
the sideline coaching the Crimson Tide that weekend. He also later tested positive again, and had symptoms. He recovered, but missed a week and an assistant, who is now the head coach at Texas, filled in. Saban, although
not an old mane, is also not a young guy.

That was the during the undefeated 2020 championship season. There were
other coaches and players on other teams (and in other sports) that had
similar issues during the 2020 season.

Either I don't hear about false positives much anymore, or I stopped paying attention.

Mike


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These politicians have broad contact with many people, with some contacts at mass gatherings. That makes them more prone to get infected and test positive.

Ok, so maybe those "mass gatherings" are what did them in. But why do they agree to it? If I were a person with any authority, I think I would demand more space from people as a precaution, but sure, maybe they get into situations where that's not possible, but too much benefit of too much doubt..

When Republicans have mass gatherings, Democrats and the media call them potential "super spreader" events. When Democrats have mass gatherings where lots of people actually test positive/get sick, they are simply called
"mass gatherings" or "gala/red-carpet events." No bad name tags, please!


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on *09.05.22* at *14:46:00* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
to *AARON THOMAS* about *"AsymptoDems"*.

How is it that all of the most famous Democrats are "contracting covid"
and being "asymptomatic?" I don't wish symptoms on these people, but I
wish for the mysteriousness of the Democrat-asymptomatic cases to serve as
a wake-up call for everyone:

While it seems a little odd to me, since I now know two people who were fully vaxed but went to hospital, got put on a vent, and died anyway, so
I would expect at least one "famous Democrat" who "has COVID" to actually get a little sick.

Supposedly, if you get the vax you are more likely to have fewer or no symptoms. Could also mean their tests were false positive.

I don't buy it. They're either creating this narrative: "We got covid but
we were asymptomatic because we're vaccinated."

Don't know about creating but they sure want you to know that they are vaccinated and that they are asymptomatic.

They are not only vaccinated, they are DOUBLE BOOSTED!

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On 05-09-22 15:17, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-

These politicians have broad contact with many people, with some
contacts at mass gatherings. That makes them more prone to get infected and test positive.

Ok, so maybe those "mass gatherings" are what did them in. But why do
they agree to it? If I were a person with any authority, I think I
would demand more space from people as a precaution, but sure, maybe
they get into situations where that's not possible, but too much
benefit of too much doubt..

Mass gatherings are not unique to this administration. The previous administration had them as well.

Also, they are tested far more often than most of us. Thus, if they get infected then it gets diagnosed properly and quickly -- independent of showing any symptoms.

That may be true, but it seems like you'd be giving them too much
benefit of the doubt here. There are many Americans still doing
required weekly covid tests as an alternative to taking the vaccine. I don't think that even the top gov officials would be testing more than
1x per week, like us commoners.

Actually, they get tested almost every time they enter the white house,
and certainly more tests when they go to the oval office.

And finally, the current Covid (BA-2) is more infectious than the
previous variants, but does not normally result in as severe symptoms -- especially for those who are fully vaccinated (i.e. four shots).

I'm not blaming you, but that sounds like media jargon. Covid has
always been described as "highly contagious." To me, that seems like

Each variant has been more contagious that the previous one. Perhaps
(just guessing) it started with 75% chance if you came into contact
unprotected with an infected person, but rose to 80% and 90%. I have no
idea of the actual figures, just using those numbers as an example.

(not blaming you) a convenient way for the Biden administration to
weasel out of seeing more covid deaths than the previous
administration.

The number of cases for the BA-2 is climbing (49% more than 14 days
ago), the number of hospitalized is up 20%, the number in ICU is up 11%
and the number of deaths is up 2%.

The media wants us to believe that Joe's got more covid deaths under
his belt than Trump as a result of "it's more contagious than ever!"
But how are we supposed to believe that while we've witnessed so much loosening of covid safety protocols?

What media outlet is telling you that?

I appreciate everything you've said here, but please consider the possibility that the government, top officials, and the media, have us eating at an endless lie-buffet.

All administrations will bend the truth to support their goals. Only a
few make a practice of consistent lying.

Dale Shipp
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Supposedly, if you get the vax you are more likely to have fewer or symptoms. Could also mean their tests were false positive.

Right, but unfortunately for peace-of-mind, I haven't heard of any such cases.

You mean you have never heard of anyone who was vaxed, got COVID, and had few or no symptoms? Sounds like these Democrats fit that category.

I just mean Democrats in general, the big names in Democrat are getting covid rampantly, all within months of each other, but luckily for them they're
saying their symptoms are mild (Obama has a sore throat, Hillary has diareah.)

It's great, but they should tell us where they got their vaccines & boosters
at so that way we can go there and have (hopefully) the same outcomes.

Either I don't hear about false positives much anymore, or I stopped paying attention.

Famous people haven't been reporting false positives, have they? I've only heard of false positives from people that I know.

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When Republicans have mass gatherings, Democrats and the media call them potential "super spreader" events. When Democrats have mass gatherings where lots of people actually test positive/get sick, they are simply called "mass gatherings" or "gala/red-carpet events." No bad name tags, please!

Yes, that's how NYC Mayor Eric Adams got covid. Asymptomatic, of course!

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The media wants us to believe that Joe's got more covid deaths under his belt than Trump as a result of "it's more contagious than ever!" But how are we supposed to believe that while we've witnessed so much loosening of covid safety protocols?

What media outlet is telling you that?

Sean Hannity said it on his radio show.

All administrations will bend the truth to support their goals. Only a few make a practice of consistent lying.

Absolutely! I'm glad that we're on the same page. Never let them trick you into neglecting your own health.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

According to Fox News (borderline fake news) NY Gov Kathy Hochul has covid, but of course, like all the other Democrats who "got covid,"
she's asymptomatic.

Republicans don't get Covid, they just disappear for 2-3 weeks
without an explanation.


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Don't know about creating but they sure want you to know that they are vaccinated and that they are asymptomatic.

They are not only vaccinated, they are DOUBLE BOOSTED!

Yes, they are.

Here locally, they seemed to be discouraging people from doing so unless
they were of a certain age and/or had certain health issues.


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I just mean Democrats in general, the big names in Democrat are getting covid rampantly, all within months of each other, but luckily for them they're saying their symptoms are mild (Obama has a sore throat, Hillary has diareah.)

It's great, but they should tell us where they got their vaccines & boosters at so that way we can go there and have (hopefully) the same outcomes.

They likely got the special batch with no nanobots in it and that doesn't
alter your DNA. ;-)

Either I don't hear about false positives much anymore, or I stopped paying attention.

Famous people haven't been reporting false positives, have they? I've only heard of false positives from people that I know.

People associated with NCAA sports were reporting false positives in 2020 anyway. Don't know about lately.


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The media wants us to believe that Joe's got more covid deaths under
his belt than Trump as a result of "it's more contagious than ever!"
But how are we supposed to believe that while we've witnessed so much loosening of covid safety protocols?

What media outlet is telling you that?

That protocols are being loosened? Dang near all of them. For a start,
even if they are not talking loosened protocols, their hosts are now back
to sitting right next to each other, unmasked, while their street reporters
are conducting interviews, also unmasked.

Which one(s) are you watching that are telling you that protocols are not
being loosened?


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According to Fox News (borderline fake news) NY Gov Kathy Hochul has covid, but of course, like all the other Democrats who "got covid," she's asymptomatic.

Republicans don't get Covid, they just disappear for 2-3 weeks
without an explanation.

I guess bragging rights for vaccine development is all they get.

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They likely got the special batch with no nanobots in it and that doesn't alter your DNA. ;-)

I was thinking the same thing, but I was afraid I'd be the only person to say it.

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On 05-10-22 12:01, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-

The media wants us to believe that Joe's got more covid deaths under his belt than Trump as a result of "it's more contagious than ever!" But how are we supposed to believe that while
we've witnessed so much
loosening of covid safety protocols?

What media outlet is telling you that?

Sean Hannity said it on his radio show.

And you believed him ???

All administrations will bend the truth to support their goals. Only a few make a practice of consistent lying.

Absolutely! I'm glad that we're on the same page. Never let
them trick you into
neglecting your own health.

I do not neglect my own health, which is why I have gotten all four of
my vaccination shots. It is the previous administration that tricked
people via their lies into neglecting their health with the anti-vax
and anti-mask propoganda.

Dale Shipp
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On 05-10-22 16:30, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-

The media wants us to believe that Joe's got more covid deaths under his belt than Trump as a result of "it's more contagious than ever!" But how are we supposed to believe that while we've witnessed so much loosening of covid safety protocols?

What media outlet is telling you that?

That protocols are being loosened? Dang near all of them. For a
start, even if they are not talking loosened protocols, their hosts are now back to sitting right next to each other, unmasked, while their
street reporters are conducting interviews, also unmasked.

Sorry -- I was responding to the first part of the statement claiming
that Biden has more deaths as a result of "it's more contagious than
ever!".

The current variant is more contagious, but so far the death rate is
much lower than the first and second waves.

Yes, protocols are loosening up.

Dale Shipp
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On 05-10-22 11:48, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Mike Powell about Re: AsymptoDems <=-

I just mean Democrats in general, the big names in Democrat are
getting covid rampantly, all within months of each other, but luckily
for them they're saying their symptoms are mild (Obama has a sore
throat, Hillary has diareah.)
It's great, but they should tell us where they got their vaccines & boosters at so that way we can go there and have (hopefully) the same outcomes.

They are getting the same vaccines that I and the rest of my community
are getting.

Either I don't hear about false positives much anymore, or I stopped paying attention.

Famous people haven't been reporting false positives, have they? I've
only heard of false positives from people that I know.

I don't hear about them on the news either.

Dale Shipp
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Sean Hannity said it on his radio show.

And you believed him ???

It's no worse than believing the narrative they fed to you:

I do not neglect my own health, which is why I have gotten all four of
my vaccination shots. It is the previous administration that tricked people via their lies into neglecting their health with the anti-vax
and anti-mask propoganda.

Trump's administration funded and expedited covid-19 vaccine research. How is that "tricking people via lies?" I go against the grain of my party by not getting vaccinated.

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It's great, but they should tell us where they got their vaccines & boosters at so that way we can go there and have (hopefully) the same outcomes.

They are getting the same vaccines that I and the rest of my community
are getting.

That's a successful narrative, but politicians (Biden/Obama) who are funded by attendees of the World Economic Forum (Soros,Gates,Turner) can't be trusted, because attendees of the World Economic Forum have expressed an interest in depopulating the world, and they have the money to do it.

People who are interested in depopulating the world are unable to convince me to take a novel injection. (Technically this group of people includes Biden, because he takes his orders from one or more of those attendees.)

People who intentionally mutate covid in a laboratory are also unable to convince me to take a novel injection.

I have questions about covid and about the vaccine, and those questions
are not being answered by officials. Neither my doctor nor my kids' doctor recommend the covid vaccine. They don't push it on us one bit - honestly,
we've been to dozens of appointments since the advent of the vaccine, and nobody has even offered the vaccine to us; ONLY the media has offered it. ("Come on down to the mass-vaccination site for a free covid vaccine!")

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Sorry -- I was responding to the first part of the statement claiming
that Biden has more deaths as a result of "it's more contagious than
ever!".

The current variant is more contagious, but so far the death rate is
much lower than the first and second waves.

Delta from last year was supposed to be the big killer, but I didn't not
check and compare it to the 2020 variant(s) so I don't know that it turned
out to be that way.

Mike


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It's great, but they should tell us where they got their vaccines & boosters at so that way we can go there and have (hopefully) the same outcomes.

They are getting the same vaccines that I and the rest of my community
are getting.

It would be interesting to know if they got J&J or Pfizer or Moderna, which
is in supposed order of effectiveness, lowest to highest. So there could
be some difference between what you and I got and what they got (which I
would wildly guess is not always the same brand).


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On 05-11-22 13:30, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-

Sean Hannity said it on his radio show.

And you believed him ???

It's no worse than believing the narrative they fed to you:

I believe the narrative received from multiple sources, based upon
scientific analysis of data at the time.

I do not neglect my own health, which is why I have gotten all four of
my vaccination shots. It is the previous administration that tricked people via their lies into neglecting their health with the anti-vax
and anti-mask propoganda.

Trump's administration funded and expedited covid-19 vaccine research.

True, Trump's administration funding was responsible for half of the
first two vaccines that were approved. The other half was done without
his funding.

How is that "tricking people via lies?" I go against the grain of my
party by not getting vaccinated.

Trump and his followers frequently downplayed the advise of the
scientific community in their public statements and actions, both with
respect to vaccine and to masking and to social distancing. Many,
perhaps including you, took his statements and actions to heart --
refusing to get vaccinated or the rest of the recommended procedures.

Dale Shipp
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On 05-11-22 13:59, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-

They are getting the same vaccines that I and the rest of my community
are getting.

That's a successful narrative, but politicians (Biden/Obama) who are funded by attendees of the World Economic Forum (Soros,Gates,Turner)
can't be trusted, because attendees of the World Economic Forum have expressed an interest in depopulating the world, and they have the
money to do it.

That is so far fetched that there is no possible response.

People who are interested in depopulating the world are unable to
convince me to take a novel injection. (Technically this group of
people includes Biden, because he takes his orders from one or more of those attendees.)

Biden takes his orders from his close associates and his conscience.

People who intentionally mutate covid in a laboratory are also unable
to convince me to take a novel injection.

You are basing your decision to play Russian roulette on a false
statement.

I have questions about covid and about the vaccine, and those
questions are not being answered by officials.

Then get out there and do your own real research to find out the
answers.

Neither my doctor nor my
kids' doctor recommend the covid vaccine. They don't push it on us one
bit - honestly, we've been to dozens of appointments since the advent
of the vaccine, and nobody has even offered the vaccine to us;

You say that they did not recommend the vaccine. Did they advise against
it, or were they just silent. Did you ask them?

ONLY the
media has offered it. ("Come on down to the mass-vaccination site for a free covid vaccine!")

I would guess that your private doctor would not have the ability to
supply the vaccine to individuals since both of the primary types
require refrigeration not easily available except in large quantities.

Dale Shipp
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On 05-11-22 16:28, Mike Powell <=-
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Sorry -- I was responding to the first part of the statement claiming
that Biden has more deaths as a result of "it's more contagious than
ever!".

The current variant is more contagious, but so far the death rate is
much lower than the first and second waves.

Delta from last year was supposed to be the big killer, but I didn't
not check and compare it to the 2020 variant(s) so I don't know that it turned out to be that way.

I am not certain either. What I recall is that the number of infections
were higher under Delta than the original, but I don't recall info about
the comparison of the death or ICU rates.

Dale Shipp
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On 05-11-22 16:32, Mike Powell <=-
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It's great, but they should tell us where they got their vaccines & boosters at so that way we can go there and have (hopefully) the same outcomes.

They are getting the same vaccines that I and the rest of my community
are getting.

It would be interesting to know if they got J&J or Pfizer or Moderna, which is in supposed order of effectiveness, lowest to highest. So
there could be some difference between what you and I got and what they got (which I would wildly guess is not always the same brand).

Interesting point. My four shots have all been Pfizer. I strongly
suspect that people could get which ever version they want, assuming it
is available in their area. Where I am living, they gave out Pfizer to
all residents at the same time, repeated for each of the four shots.

Dale Shipp
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Delta from last year was supposed to be the big killer, but I didn't
not check and compare it to the 2020 variant(s) so I don't know that it turned out to be that way.

I am not certain either. What I recall is that the number of infections
were higher under Delta than the original, but I don't recall info about
the comparison of the death or ICU rates.

In this area, I remember they set up an extra (Army) hospital to assist
with all the infections they expected from the original variants but it was rarely (if ever) used as the permanent hospitals did not ever reach
capacity and it was eventually decommissioned.

During the height of Delta was the only time I remember our Governor
discussing an immediate concern that we might run out of hospital beds.
That was also the only time the whole state went into the red category.


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It would be interesting to know if they got J&J or Pfizer or Moderna,

Interesting point. My four shots have all been Pfizer. I strongly
suspect that people could get which ever version they want, assuming it
is available in their area. Where I am living, they gave out Pfizer to
all residents at the same time, repeated for each of the four shots.

Here, initially, it depended on which vax site you went to as to what you got... either Pfizer or Moderna. IIRC, J&J was the first one you could get that was not at one of the state run sites. By the time of the first
booster, you could get all three at pharmacies, although if you wanted a particular flavor, you had to find a pharmacy that was providing that one
(i.e. they all seemed to only have one type at each site, although a
Walgreens in one town might have Pfizer, while in the next town over you
could only get Moderna from them).

At first, they were discouraging people from mixing and matching their
booster vs. what they originally got. The local Walgreens I went to
would not mix and match... I could get my flu shot here in town but had to go to the next town to get Moderna. My sister didn't want Moderna again, so she waited and went somewhere that would let her take Pfizer instead.

Upon my Dr's advice, I wanted to stick with Moderna. That original made
people more queezy but also seemed to be more effective against later
strains.


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How is that "tricking people via lies?" I go against the grain of my party by not getting vaccinated.

Trump and his followers frequently downplayed the advise of the
scientific community in their public statements and actions, both with respect to vaccine and to masking and to social distancing. Many,
perhaps including you, took his statements and actions to heart --
refusing to get vaccinated or the rest of the recommended procedures.

You know, I wonder about that... like is it a chicken vs. the egg thing. I
am pretty convinced that the people I know who refuse the shot would have
done so no matter what Trump said (remember, some folks were real
disappointed when they found out he himself got vaxxed). The ones I know
seem to be anti-vax in general, and have been the whole time I have known
them. Many are in the "vaccines cause Autism" group and, while most of
them (if I know their politics) are Trump voters, I know others in that
"I don't vax my kids because Autism" group that could not *stand* Trump. I don't know how they voted in 2020, but they were pretty upset in 2016 when
he won.

OTOH, I know several Trump voters who got their vax (all doses they
qualified for) as soon as they were able, also regardless of what Trump
said.

If Trump, whose administration was originally pro-vax, figured out that
many of his more feverant followers were anti-vax or vax-skeptical, I don't doubt that he would have changed his tune about it, especially with an
election coming up.


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Re: Re: AsymptoDems
By: Mike Powell to DALE SHIPP on Thu May 12 2022 04:36 pm

OTOH, I know several Trump voters who got their vax (all doses they qualified for) as soon as they were able, also regardless of what Trump said.

If Trump, whose administration was originally pro-vax, figured out that many of his more feverant followers were anti-vax or vax-skeptical, I don't doubt that he would have changed his tune about it, especially with an election coming up.

I did. Not out of fear or anything like that, I just had to interact with people who were madly driven with fear of getting near anyone who wasn't vaxxed. It also greatly lessened the chance of hositalization and death, and I don't like either of those things - but it total I wasn't afraid of Covid, but I also wasn't afraid of the vax. Tiny odds of death or hospitalization from Covid, even tinyer odds of death/bad stuff from the vax - it seemed hypocrytical not to be afraid of one but fear the other.

Trump put into place and actually got some deserved credit for Operation Warp Speed. He continued to be pro-vax through the election - but I also think he would have changed his tune and been far more forgiving of people who didn't want it too. Just as he was the the one who did the "two weeks to bend the curve" shutdown, and then after about a month lobbied for essentually the rest of his term for everyone to open back up.
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I did. Not out of fear or anything like that, I just had to interact with peo
e who were madly driven with fear of getting near anyone who wasn't vaxxed. I
also greatly lessened the chance of hositalization and death, and I don't like
ither of those things

I got it because of the latter, and also because I figured they would eventually make us go back to work full time. People in this part of the country seem not to honor the personal space of others much. I figure if I
am going to be around people like that, I need to be protected. Same
reason I get the flu shot each year... I don't trust my co-workers or the random stranger at the grocery. :)

Mike


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Hello Tom,

OTOH, I know several Trump voters who got their vax (all doses they
qualified for) as soon as they were able, also regardless of what

Trump

said.

If Trump, whose administration was originally pro-vax, figured out

that

many of his more feverant followers were anti-vax or vax-skeptical, I
don't doubt that he would have changed his tune about it, especially

with

an election coming up.

I did. Not out of fear or anything like that, I just had to interact with people who were madly driven with fear of getting near anyone who wasn't vaxxed. It also greatly lessened the chance of hositalization and death, and I don't like either of those things - but it total I wasn't afraid of Covid, but I also wasn't afraid of the vax.

Tiny odds of death or hospitalization from Covid, even tinyer odds of death/bad stuff from the vax - it seemed hypocrytical not to be afraid of one but fear the other.

1,000,000+ dead Americans from covid since the beginning of the
pandemic. Many of them needlessly, due to their own refusal to get
themselves vaxxed. That's right. 1 in 320 Americans dead due to
covid. Not a tiny number at all.

Trump put into place and actually got some deserved credit for Operation Warp Speed.

Yeah. Injecting bleach (and sunlight) worked wonders.

He continued to be pro-vax through the election - but I also think he would
have changed his tune and been far more forgiving of people who didn't want
it too.

Keep drinking your kool-aid. It'll keep you from hyperventilating.

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I got it because of the latter, and also because I figured they would eventually make us go back to work full time. People in this part of the country seem not to honor the personal space of others much. I figure if am going to be around people like that, I need to be protected. Same reason I get the flu shot each year... I don't trust my co-workers or the random stranger at the grocery. :)

yes, but you should have thought before having them put that garbage in your body. it can take years for a vaccine to be formulated and tested.

No way can they have a working vaccine in such a short time.

also my mom used to get the flu shot every year and she got the flu every year.

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1,000,000+ dead Americans from covid since the beginning of the
pandemic. Many of them needlessly, due to their own refusal to get themselves vaxxed. That's right. 1 in 320 Americans dead due to
covid. Not a tiny number at all.

whats amazing is the flu kills a lot of people but those numbers went down to zero during covid time. truly amazing.

furthermore, a lot of people die every day. like a whole lot!
8k in the usa, 30k china. 28k india.

if you died and you tested positive for covid, that was marked as a covid death in many cases.

Trump put into place and actually got some deserved credit for Operat Warp Speed.

Yeah. Injecting bleach (and sunlight) worked wonders.

our bodies actually create the chemicals in bleach to combat pathogens.

when i had covid i went outside and sat in the sun. it really improved my recovery.

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On 17 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

1,000,000+ dead Americans from covid since the beginning of the pandemic. Many of them needlessly, due to their own refusal to get themselves vaxxed. That's right. 1 in 320 Americans dead due to
covid. Not a tiny number at all.

whats amazing is the flu kills a lot of people but those numbers went
down to zero during covid time. truly amazing.

They did not go down to zero, but they did decline significantly. Why? Maybe social distancing and wearing masks, combined with vaccinization, reduce flu levels as well as COVID levels. Imagine that!

Jeff.

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They did not go down to zero, but they did decline significantly. Why? Maybe social distancing and wearing masks, combined with vaccinization, reduce flu levels as well as COVID levels. Imagine that!

Combined with the flu vaccination. Need to be clear there so as to avoid confusion.

Welcome back.


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On 17 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

They did not go down to zero, but they did decline significantly. Why? M social distancing and wearing masks, combined with vaccinization, reduce levels as well as COVID levels. Imagine that!

Combined with the flu vaccination. Need to be clear there so as to avoid confusion.

True. I was referring to an appropriate vaccination, not just any random vaccination.

Jeff.

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On 17 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

1,000,000+ dead Americans from covid since the beginning of the pandemic. Many of them needlessly, due to their own refusal to ge themselves vaxxed. That's right. 1 in 320 Americans dead due to covid. Not a tiny number at all.

whats amazing is the flu kills a lot of people but those numbers went down to zero during covid time. truly amazing.

They did not go down to zero, but they did decline significantly. Why? May social distancing and wearing masks, combined with vaccinization, reduce f levels as well as COVID levels. Imagine that!

i said zero because the news has been giving us misinformation about covid for years. i have a video someplace showing all the numbers they offer up. they go from 100% effectiveness for the vaccine to way low numbers.

yeah social distancing really does work. people are way close. some people still want to be right up against me. i live in a city where people bump into you going past you in the grocery store.

being clean and distancing is the best way. i got sick from a vax'd guy who went to the milwaukee bucks parade.

https://i.imgur.com/c2Uyndg.png

he got everyone at work sick eventually.

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On 18 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

1,000,000+ dead Americans from covid since the beginning of t pandemic. Many of them needlessly, due to their own refusal t themselves vaxxed. That's right. 1 in 320 Americans dead due covid. Not a tiny number at all.

whats amazing is the flu kills a lot of people but those numbers down to zero during covid time. truly amazing.

They did not go down to zero, but they did decline significantly. Why? social distancing and wearing masks, combined with vaccinization, redu levels as well as COVID levels. Imagine that!

i said zero because the news has been giving us misinformation about
covid for years.

So , if I understand you correctly, because you believe that you've been lied to, it is perfecty acceptable for you to lie as well, correct? The problem
is, if your belief turns out to be false, then you're just lying (and
knowingly so).

covid for years. i have a video someplace showing all the numbers they offer up.

I see. A video "someplace" showing "all" the numbers...

they go from 100% effectiveness for the vaccine

No, they don't. No credible medical or scientific authority, such as the CDC, ever claimed that the vaccines were 100% effective. Is this another lie
you're comfortable making because you feel that others have lied to you?

to way low
numbers.

They are not that low, considering, and there are two phenomenon that your rather simplistic theory disregards: one, the effectiveness of the vaccines
do go down over time, which is why boosters are needed; and two, new strains
of the virus have appeared since the original vaccines and those vaccines are less effective against the newer variants. Neither of those is rocket science.

yeah social distancing really does work. people are way close.

It does work, and for more than just COVID. There have been photos of people
in Tokyo wearing masks during flu season for decades now.

people are way close. some
people still want to be right up against me. i live in a city where
people bump into you going past you in the grocery store.

My employer has been understanding enough to allow me to work from home, and
I don't go to the grocery store. We have groceries delivered to our doorstep. Kinda sucks that your fellow citizens are so unwelling to take your health
into account. Then again, maybe most of them have been vaccinated and don't need to be quite so careful.

being clean and distancing is the best way. i got sick from a vax'd guy who went to the milwaukee bucks parade.

Nothing is 100% effective. Any combination of precautions is more effective than its constituent parts.

he got everyone at work sick eventually.

Yep, Irresponsible people are definitely a huge threat. However, we can't mandate responsibility, can we?

Jeff.

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they go from 100% effectiveness for the vaccine

No, they don't. No credible medical or scientific authority, such as the CDC, ever claimed that the vaccines were 100% effective. Is this another lie you're comfortable making because you feel that others have lied to you?

Biden said "you won't get covid if you take the vaccine." It sounded great to people who were familiar with the pre-covid definition of "vaccine."

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On 18 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

they go from 100% effectiveness for the vaccine

No, they don't. No credible medical or scientific authority, such as CDC, ever claimed that the vaccines were 100% effective. Is this anot lie you're comfortable making because you feel that others have lied you?

Biden said "you won't get covid if you take the vaccine." It sounded
great to people who were familiar with the pre-covid definition of "vaccine."

Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke.
Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never made that claim.

Jeff.

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They did not go down to zero, but they did decline significantly. Why? social distancing and wearing masks, combined with vaccinization, reduc
levels as well as COVID levels. Imagine that!

Combined with the flu vaccination. Need to be clear there so as to avoid
confusion.

True. I was referring to an appropriate vaccination, not just any random vaccination.

Some people might have read that as "the COVID vax also prevents the flu."
I did not want a pi$$ing contest to start over that one. :)


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they go from 100% effectiveness for the vaccine

No, they don't. No credible medical or scientific authority, such as the CDC, ever claimed that the vaccines were 100% effective. Is this another lie you're comfortable making because you feel that others have lied to you?

They may not have claimed 100%, but they claimed higher percentages
(high-90's) early on that turned out not to be at all true. Their claims were called into question even before the shots were widely available.

do go down over time, which is why boosters are needed; and two, new strains of the virus have appeared since the original vaccines and those vaccines are less effective against the newer variants. Neither of those is rocket science.

I know that and you know that, but most of the official claims did not include the "fine print" early on when they were trying to encourage everyone to get the shots.

We even had people in here (not you, I don't think) who continued to claim
that the original shots, as originally given, were *still* 90+% effective,
even after Delta got going and it had become well known that we would need boosters. I assume they were getting that bad information from their government or choice of press (obviously not FOX in this case) and were not just making it up or just that stupid.

into account. Then again, maybe most of them have been vaccinated and don't need to be quite so careful.

The vaccinated still need to be very careful. Assuming that they don't is
what caused those vaccinated people, like the Democrat politicians
attending the superspreader political events, to start catching the virus,
and also...

he got everyone at work sick eventually.

Yep, Irresponsible people are definitely a huge threat. However, we can't mandate responsibility, can we?

... allowed the vaccinated person Jas is talking about to get his
co-workers sick because he decided not to be "quite so careful" as he still should have been.


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On 18 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

they go from 100% effectiveness for the vaccine

No, they don't. No credible medical or scientific authority, such as the ever claimed that the vaccines were 100% effective. Is this another lie you're comfortable making because you feel that others have lied to you?

They may not have claimed 100%, but they claimed higher percentages (high-90's) early on that turned out not to be at all true. Their
claims were called into question even before the shots were widely available.

Those were the efficacy rates against the original strain, at the time they were introduced.

do go down over time, which is why boosters are needed; and two, new str of the virus have appeared since the original vaccines and those vaccine less effective against the newer variants. Neither of those is rocket science.

I know that and you know that, but most of the official claims did not include the "fine print" early on when they were trying to encourage everyone to get the shots.

Initially, there were no other strains, and it was generally unknown what
would happen to the efficacy over time. Nevertheless, that they did not bring that up initially does not in any way change what happened. The efficacy dropped over time for a couple of reasons, versus being at the same rate now that it was when the vaccines were first introduced.

We even had people in here (not you, I don't think) who continued to
claim that the original shots, as originally given, were *still* 90+% effective, even after Delta got going and it had become well known that
we would need boosters. I assume they were getting that bad information from their government or choice of press (obviously not FOX in this
case) and were not just making it up or just that stupid.

There are also different measures of efficacy, and it's important to
understand which is being discussed. Does the vaccine give you a 90% chance
of not catching COVID? Does it give you a 90% chance of staying out of the hospital if you do catch COVID? Does it give you a 90% chance of survival if you do end up in the hospital?

into account. Then again, maybe most of them have been vaccinated and do need to be quite so careful.

The vaccinated still need to be very careful. Assuming that they don't
is what caused those vaccinated people, like the Democrat politicians attending the superspreader political events, to start catching the
virus, and also...

Agreed. I am still being extremely careful, myself. However, the Democrats in question are damned if they do and damned if they don't in the eyes of Republicans; remember what happened when Joe had drive-in rallies while Trump was packing people into enclosed spaces?

he got everyone at work sick eventually.

Yep, Irresponsible people are definitely a huge threat. However, we can' mandate responsibility, can we?

... allowed the vaccinated person Jas is talking about to get his co-workers sick because he decided not to be "quite so careful" as he still should have been.

What are you going to do, disallow people who don't social distance or wear masks (or hey, even get vaccinated) from going to work?

Jeff.

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Yep, Irresponsible people are definitely a huge threat. However, we can
mandate responsibility, can we?

... allowed the vaccinated person Jas is talking about to get his co-workers sick because he decided not to be "quite so careful" as he still should have been.

What are you going to do, disallow people who don't social distance or wear masks (or hey, even get vaccinated) from going to work?

My understanding is that he had been in what could be considered a superspreader event and then returned to working in the office. Back at
the time in question, my office did have restrictions on doing such things (work from home if you can, don't come into the office). That sounds like
what this guy should have done.

Ironically, this administration suggested just what you are suggesting
there (no vax = no job) and some big name employers followed the suggestion.
My recollection is that you were not against their idea... "they had a
choice" were your words, I think.


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Biden said "you won't get covid if you take the vaccine." It sounded great to people who were familiar with the pre-covid definition of "vaccine."

Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke.
Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never made that
claim.

Supposedly, a lot of people are stupid about the vaccine because of what a President said. Same rule should apply to Biden and his gaffes being taken seriously.


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On 19 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

What are you going to do, disallow people who don't social distance or w masks (or hey, even get vaccinated) from going to work?

My understanding is that he had been in what could be considered a superspreader event and then returned to working in the office. Back at the time in question, my office did have restrictions on doing such
things (work from home if you can, don't come into the office). That sounds like what this guy should have done.

Still, though, what are they going to do? Those sound more like (possibly strong) suggestions rather than requirements.

Ironically, this administration suggested just what you are suggesting there (no vax = no job) and some big name employers followed the suggestion. My recollection is that you were not against their idea... "they had a choice" were your words, I think.

I'm not against a vaccination mandate, and I'm not pushing for one, either.
Not as long as I continue to work from home, anyway. You guys figure it out.

Jeff.

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On 19 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Biden said "you won't get covid if you take the vaccine." It sounde great to people who were familiar with the pre-covid definition of "vaccine."

Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke. Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never mad that
claim.

Supposedly, a lot of people are stupid about the vaccine because of what
a President said. Same rule should apply to Biden and his gaffes being taken seriously.

Not really; that's the same difference as between a false positive and a
false negative. People not getting vaccinated because they mistakenly believe that the vaccine will kill them is a whole lot different from people getting vaccinated because they mistakenly believe that the vaccine will make them
100% immune.

Jeff.

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So , if I understand you correctly, because you believe that you've been l to, it is perfecty acceptable for you to lie as well, correct? The problem is, if your belief turns out to be false, then you're just lying (and knowingly so).

nope, i'm not a liar.

covid for years. i have a video someplace showing all the numbers the offer up.

I see. A video "someplace" showing "all" the numbers...

they showed the various CNN and newspaper headlines.

My employer has been understanding enough to allow me to work from home, a I don't go to the grocery store. We have groceries delivered to our doorst Kinda sucks that your fellow citizens are so unwelling to take your health into account. Then again, maybe most of them have been vaccinated and don' need to be quite so careful.

not everyone can sit on their ass at home.

also covid vaccines dont work.

Nothing is 100% effective. Any combination of precautions is more effectiv than its constituent parts.

this vaccine certainly isnt effective at all.

vaccines take years to develop and test.

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On 18 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

they go from 100% effectiveness for the vaccine

No, they don't. No credible medical or scientific authority, suc CDC, ever claimed that the vaccines were 100% effective. Is this lie you're comfortable making because you feel that others have you?

Biden said "you won't get covid if you take the vaccine." It sounded great to people who were familiar with the pre-covid definition of "vaccine."

Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke. Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never made claim.

yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.

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Biden said "you won't get covid if you take the vaccine." It sounded great to people who were familiar with the pre-covid definition of "vaccine."

Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke.
Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never made

that

claim.

Supposedly, a lot of people are stupid about the vaccine because of what a President said. Same rule should apply to Biden and his gaffes being take seriously.

things would have been better if we did NOTHING.

such as :
+ dont put covid patients in nursing homes with the elderly. WTF!!
+ don't hide and let the virus keep popping in and out.
+ dont assume some bullshit vaccine works and then go out to huge events.
+ we shouldnt have had lockdowns and then people spent all their time at home depot or walmart.


it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick and naturally immune.

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On 19 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

So , if I understand you correctly, because you believe that you've be to, it is perfecty acceptable for you to lie as well, correct? The pro is, if your belief turns out to be false, then you're just lying (and knowingly so).

nope, i'm not a liar.

You said it was zero knowing that it was not zero and blamed the discrepancy
on your disbelief in the statements of others.

covid for years. i have a video someplace showing all the numbers offer up.

I see. A video "someplace" showing "all" the numbers...

they showed the various CNN and newspaper headlines.

I see.

My employer has been understanding enough to allow me to work from hom I don't go to the grocery store. We have groceries delivered to our do Kinda sucks that your fellow citizens are so unwelling to take your he into account. Then again, maybe most of them have been vaccinated and need to be quite so careful.

not everyone can sit on their ass at home.

Too bad, that.

also covid vaccines dont work.

Not being 100% effective and not working are two very different things.

Nothing is 100% effective. Any combination of precautions is more effe than its constituent parts.

this vaccine certainly isnt effective at all.

It's considerably more effective than 0%.

vaccines take years to develop and test.

Apparently they can be fast-tracked if the need is great enough.

Jeff.

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On 19 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke. Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never m claim.

yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.

Nope. Prove it.

Jeff.

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On 19 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

+ dont put covid patients in nursing homes with the elderly. WTF!!

Why, because people might die?

+ don't hide and let the virus keep popping in and out.

Why, because people might die?

+ dont assume some bullshit vaccine works and then go out to huge events.

Why, because people might die?

+ we shouldnt have had lockdowns and then people spent all their time at home depot or walmart.

But wouldn't people have died?

it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick and naturally immune.

But wouldn't people have died?

How is it that putting COVID patients in nursing homes with the elderly is
bad, but putting COVID patients in contact with the general population so
that people "get sick and naturally immune" is good? How is going out to huge events bad, but "doing nothing" (which would presumably allow people to continue to go out to huge events) good?

Either everybody mixing with everybody is bad, or it is good. Which is it?

And if it's good, then how is giving people a vaccine that makes them more comfortable mixing with each other bad?

Your "solution" has some basic logic flaws.

Jeff.

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Hello Jas,

So , if I understand you correctly, because you believe that you've

been l

to, it is perfecty acceptable for you to lie as well, correct? The

problem

is, if your belief turns out to be false, then you're just lying (and
knowingly so).

nope, i'm not a liar.

Neither are politicians, being more expedient with the truth.

But at least politicians do not lie about who and what they are.

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Hello Jas,

[..]

Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke.
Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never made
claim.

yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.

Prove it.

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Hello Jas,

[..]

it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick and naturally immune.

Do nothing. Let people get sick and die. Helluva solution.
May you RIP.

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also covid vaccines dont work.

Not being 100% effective and not working are two very different things.

The vaccine doesn't vaccinate. Other than that, it's a great product.

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On 20 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Not being 100% effective and not working are two very different thing

The vaccine doesn't vaccinate. Other than that, it's a great product.

It doesn't vaccinate if you don't get it. Other than that, it's an effective vaccine.

Jeff.

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on *11.05.22* at *0:49:00* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
to *Aaron Thomas* about *"Re: AsymptoDems"*.

I do not neglect my own health, which is why I have gotten all four of
my vaccination shots. It is the previous administration that tricked people via their lies into neglecting their health with the anti-vax and anti-mask propoganda.

I'll be the first to admit that Trump would usually take both sides of any issue, but you can't ignore the fact that it was he who got the vaccine created in such a short period, that a lot of Democrats publicly said that they wouldn't take it because it was created under Trump. When you have Harris and Pelosi say during press interviews that they wouldn't trust it, I don't really think you can pin the anti-vax label on Trump.

Secondly, the first administration official to say that masks didn't work and could be harmful was Fauci. Fauci repeatedly say that he was science, and anyone who disagreed with him was anti-science. So I'm not sure the anti-mask label can be applied solely to Trump either.


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On 20 May 2022, Al Thompson said the following...

When you have Harris and Pelosi say during press interviews that they wouldn't trust it, I don't really think you can pin the anti-vax label
on Trump.

That's not exactly what they said, though. They said they would not trust it strictly on Trump's word but would require assurances from the scientific and medical community. Once those assurances were given, they were vaccinated.

Secondly, the first administration official to say that masks didn't
work and could be harmful was Fauci. Fauci repeatedly say that he was science, and anyone who disagreed with him was anti-science. So I'm not sure the anti-mask label can be applied solely to Trump either.

That's not what Fauci said at all. He said, at a time when masks were in
short supply, that they were better left for the medical community. He never said that masks didn't work, and he never said that they could be harmful. I don't recall him saying that anyone who disagreed with him was anti-science, but Trump did make it extremely clear that he considered anyone who disagreed with him (Trump) to be anti-American and anti-truth. Which turned out to be exactly the opposite of the truth.

Jeff.

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On 05-20-22 23:05, Al Thompson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about AsymptoDems <=-

on *11.05.22* at *0:49:00* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
to *Aaron Thomas* about *"Re: AsymptoDems"*.

I do not neglect my own health, which is why I have gotten all four of
my vaccination shots. It is the previous administration that tricked people via their lies into neglecting their health with the anti-vax and anti-mask propoganda.

I'll be the first to admit that Trump would usually take both sides of
any issue, but you can't ignore the fact that it was he who got
the vaccine created in such a short period,

Actually, that is not a fact. It is true that he gave funding to Pfizer
to help them speed up their research. OTOH, Moderna did not receive
such funding and developed their vaccine in almost the same time. Trump
took credit for both. I believe that the actual truth is that the speed
of the vaccine development was due in part to Trump's encouragement and
also to the company's awareness of the dire public need.

that a lot of
Democrats publicly said that they wouldn't take it because
it was created under Trump. When you have Harris and
Pelosi say during press interviews that they wouldn't trust
it, I don't really think you can pin the anti-vax label on
Trump.

I've heard that claim before. I believe that what they said was they
would not trust Trump's endorsement of any vaccine. That is reinforced
by the multiple statements by Trump for snake medicine claims. They
were quite willing to accept the statements of the scientific community.

Secondly, the first administration official to say that masks didn't
work and could be harmful was Fauci.

I doubt that he ever said such a thing. In the early stages he did make statements that people should not rush out to purchase n95 masks because
they were already in short supply and the medical people desperately
needed them. Later on after various masks became available he did say
that masking was a good idea.

Fauci repeatedly say that he
was science, and anyone who disagreed with him was anti-
science.

True, most of the disagreement was from the anti-science crowd.

So I'm not sure the anti-mask label can be applied
solely to Trump either.

Throughout his term as president, including after he had Covid himself,
he demonstrated by what he did and said that masks were not important.

Dale Shipp
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What are you going to do, disallow people who don't social distance or masks (or hey, even get vaccinated) from going to work?

My understanding is that he had been in what could be considered a superspreader event and then returned to working in the office. Back at the time in question, my office did have restrictions on doing such things (work from home if you can, don't come into the office). That sounds like what this guy should have done.

Still, though, what are they going to do? Those sound more like (possibly strong) suggestions rather than requirements.

Strong suggestions, yes. I really don't know what they could have done to punish anyone, BUT they did offer free sick leave for at least the first
year to year-and-a-half after COVID hit and, also the incentive of extra
days of WFH if you were not dealing with symptoms. The WFH is still an
option.


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things would have been better if we did NOTHING.

such as :
+ dont put covid patients in nursing homes with the elderly. WTF!!

Cannot disagree there. Several (D) states did that. The governor of one
got in trouble for something else before he could face re-election... as
this point has died in the press, I am wondering if it will come back to
haunt the others or not.

Our (D) governor started to do the same thing, then decided not to.
Luckily, he is either a little smarter, or more something, than those
others. His father seemed more about currying favor with the party on a national level so it is a good thing this didn't happen when he was
governor.

+ don't hide and let the virus keep popping in and out.

I think it keeps popping in and out partially because it keeps mutating,
but also yes because people tend to let their guards down during a "pop
out" period.

+ dont assume some bullshit vaccine works and then go out to huge events.

Don't assume it works 100% for sure.

+ we shouldnt have had lockdowns and then people spent all their time at home depot or walmart.

Yes, it seemed very odd that the big box stores like those were allowed to continue to stay open while the smaller mom and pops had to shutter. I
don't know about all their stores, but the walmarts here had greeters out
front making sure that there were never more than X customers in the store
at any one time. Not 100% accurate, I am sure, but they were at least
trying to do the right thing.

They, and another local large retailer (who was less picky about how many people were let in) also had free drive-up delivery during the worst of COVID. IIRC, walmart's is always free, the other store's was not.

Politicians know where their money comes from, and it is not usually the
mom and pop retailer who donates the big bucks. Hence the big stores
staying open.

it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick and naturally immune.

Maybe. Unfortunately, it seems that the early strains didn't make people immune from Delta, one of the most dangerous strains, sort of like how J&J
and Pfizer didn't do so well against it, either.


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Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke.
Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never claim.

yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.

Nope. Prove it.

I think we had this conversation a long time ago. I provided links to
various government websites that proved that even Fauci has made misleading
/ misspoken claims.

I am sure you can find it, if it has not scrolled off.


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+ dont put covid patients in nursing homes with the elderly. WTF!!

Why, because people might die?

More people, in the nursing homes, did die because governments did just this.

+ dont assume some bullshit vaccine works and then go out to huge events.

Why, because people might die?

Vaccinated people have died.

+ we shouldnt have had lockdowns and then people spent all their time at home depot or walmart.

But wouldn't people have died?

If they spent their time in the big box stores, that were not closed during lockdowns, and got COVID, they might very well have died.

it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick and naturally immune.

But wouldn't people have died?

They died anyway.

How is it that putting COVID patients in nursing homes with the elderly is bad, but putting COVID patients in contact with the general population so that people "get sick and naturally immune" is good?

By your own stated opinion, Fauci did not mislead or misspeak. Fauci said
that the elderly were at high risk. Putting COVID patients in contact with
the elderly in nursing homes (where, in addition to being elderly, they are more likely to have additional health risks), even after Fauci said they
were at greater risk, is very much different than putting them in contact
with the general population.

I am surprised you don't seem to see that. I don't think either is a great idea, but I can also see the difference and that one is worse.

And if it's good, then how is giving people a vaccine that makes them more comfortable mixing with each other bad?

If they then use it as an excuse to stop taking other precautions,
something they are doing (and were encouraged to do by the government),
then it is certainly not good. The shot was supposed to help you be more comfortable mixing, while observing other precations, when it was
necessary, not to give you an excuse for returning to being in everyone's
face and filling one's social calendar.


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I'll be the first to admit that Trump would usually take both sides of any iss
, but you can't ignore the fact that it was he who got the vaccine created in ch a short period, that a lot of Democrats publicly said that they wouldn't ta
it because it was created under Trump. When you have Harris and Pelosi say d
ing press interviews that they wouldn't trust it, I don't really think you can
in the anti-vax label on Trump.

Not entirely, for sure. A lot of Democrats and anti-Trump celebrities did
not jump on the shot bandwagon until after the shot was available. I am guessing they were directed to by their higher-ups.

Secondly, the first administration official to say that masks didn't work and uld be harmful was Fauci. Fauci repeatedly say that he was science, and anyon
who disagreed with him was anti-science. So I'm not sure the anti-mask label c
be applied solely to Trump either.

This also. There is another discussion in this echo about how Fauci never mislead or misspoke, but he sure did about masks. Ironically, both he and Trump later said they did so in order to prevent everyone from hoarding masks that essential workers needed. Fauci gets a pass for doing so, while Trump does not.


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also covid vaccines dont work.

Not being 100% effective and not working are two very different things.

Nothing is 100% effective. Any combination of precautions is more than its constituent parts.

this vaccine certainly isnt effective at all.

It's considerably more effective than 0%.

it's worse than 0%
you can have serious side effects from the vaccine. I know people
who have these serious problems after being vaccinated. a coworker has an enlarged heart and he can't do his job.

vaccines take years to develop and test.

Apparently they can be fast-tracked if the need is great enough.

never in a million years.

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|03Quoting message from |11Jeff Thiele |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1119 May 22 18:07:17|03.

On 19 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He missp Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers ne claim.

yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.

Nope. Prove it.

just look up everything he's said in the past 2 years.
and the cdc and everyone else. there is your proof.

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Either everybody mixing with everybody is bad, or it is good. Which is it?

And if it's good, then how is giving people a vaccine that makes them more comfortable mixing with each other bad?

Your "solution" has some basic logic flaws.

nope my solution would have worked.

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|03Quoting message from |11Lee Lofaso |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1120 May 22 14:34:58|03.

Hello Jas,

[..]

Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke
Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never
claim.

yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.

Prove it.

google

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|03Quoting message from |11Lee Lofaso |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1120 May 22 14:35:06|03.

Hello Jas,

[..]

it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick a naturally immune.

Do nothing. Let people get sick and die. Helluva solution.
May you RIP.

it's not doing nothing. we have immune systems.
and in the end our immune systems are what saved us from covid.

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That's not exactly what they said, though. They said they would not
trust it strictly on Trump's word but would require assurances from the scientific and medical community. Once those assurances were given, they were vaccinated.

The Democrats were just trying to maintain the narrative that "there's no
cure" and that "life will never return to normal ever again" and that "this is what you get when you have a lousy president like Trump."

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

also covid vaccines dont work.

Not being 100% effective and not working are two very different things.

The vaccine doesn't vaccinate. Other than that, it's a great product.

And then there's the side effects. The many, many side effects. Mostly seen in young males. But that's probably because it impacts females in the reproductive system - and the effects won't be seen for a while yet.


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on *18.05.22* at *20:01:00* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
to *JEFF THIELE* about *"Re: AsymptoDems"*.

do go down over time, which is why boosters are needed; and two, new
strains of the virus have appeared since the original vaccines and those
vaccines are less effective against the newer variants. Neither of those
is rocket science.

We even had people in here (not you, I don't think) who continued to
claim that the original shots, as originally given, were still 90+% effective, even after Delta got going and it had become well known that
we would need
boosters. I assume they were getting that bad information from their government or choice of press (obviously not FOX in this case) and were not just making it up or just that stupid.

into account. Then again, maybe most of them have been vaccinated and
don't need to be quite so careful.

The vaccinated still need to be very careful. Assuming that they don't
is
what caused those vaccinated people, like the Democrat politicians attending the superspreader political events, to start catching the
virus, and also...

Which raises a question. The original selling point of MRNA technology vaccines was that it could be quickly adjusted to deal with new strains and variations. Yet they haven't done that, and I wonder why, instead of recommending "boosters" of the same variation.


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on *21.05.22* at *3:50:29* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
to *Al Thompson* about *"Re: AsymptoDems"*.

Secondly, the first administration official to say that masks didn't
work and could be harmful was Fauci. Fauci repeatedly say that he was
science, and anyone who disagreed with him was anti-science. So I'm not
sure the anti-mask label can be applied solely to Trump either.

That's not what Fauci said at all. He said, at a time when masks were in short supply, that they were better left for the medical community. He never said that masks didn't work, and he never said that they could be harmful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK-ZyUjgFBI

Gee, it sounds like he said exactly that.

But you do you, boo.

His comment about him "being the science" was apparently on Face the Nation. There are several links of people discussing it, but, without watching hours of videos, I can't find it.

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On 21 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Still, though, what are they going to do? Those sound more like (possibl strong) suggestions rather than requirements.

Strong suggestions, yes. I really don't know what they could have done
to punish anyone, BUT they did offer free sick leave for at least the first year to year-and-a-half after COVID hit and, also the incentive of extra days of WFH if you were not dealing with symptoms. The WFH is
still an option.

Yeah, we can tell people what they ought to do, but we can't make them listen.

Jeff.

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Which raises a question. The original selling point of MRNA technology vaccin
was that it could be quickly adjusted to deal with new strains and variations
Yet they haven't done that, and I wonder why, instead of recommending "booste
" of the same variation.

Good question. From what the pharmacist told me, the Pfizer "booster" was
the same shot they gave originally, while the Moderna was a half-dose of
the original shot.

By that time, Delta had taken a pretty strong hold.

I don't know about the second booster because I am not in the groups that
they have recommended take it, so I have not had a chance to ask about it.


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it's worse than 0%
you can have serious side effects from the vaccine. I know people
who have these serious problems after being vaccinated. a coworker has an enlarged heart and he can't do his job.

One of my two co-workers who died "of COVID" actually never had COVID but
died from shot complications. A doctor advised that they get vaccinated.
The vaccine aggrevated an underlying condition. They were < 40 years old.

The other one was vaccinated.


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The Democrats were just trying to maintain the narrative that "there's no cure" and that "life will never return to normal ever again" and that "this is
what you get when you have a lousy president like Trump."

That narrative has oddly changed once midterms and other reelections started approaching. Politicians who were more strict with lockdowns when Trump was President started touting normalcy, dropping mask wearing requirements,
etc., even when COVID case numbers started going back up.


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On 21 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

I think we had this conversation a long time ago. I provided links to various government websites that proved that even Fauci has made misleading / misspoken claims.

Did Fauci tell people not to wear masks at one time? Yes.
Did Fauci explain his reasoning at the time? Yes.
Was that reasoning because masks don't work? No.
Was that reasoning because masks are dangerous? No.
Was that reasoning because masks were in short supply and were more needed by medical professionals? Yes.

Jeff.

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On 21 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

+ dont put covid patients in nursing homes with the elderly. WTF!!

Why, because people might die?

More people, in the nursing homes, did die because governments did just this.

True, but that wouldn't matter if we were just encouraging the disease to
take its course. We even had our lieutenant governor here in Texas suggesting that people be willing to sacrifice grandma for the economy.

+ dont assume some bullshit vaccine works and then go out to huge

events.

Why, because people might die?

Vaccinated people have died.

Not as many as unvaccinated, by far.

+ we shouldnt have had lockdowns and then people spent all their ti home depot or walmart.

But wouldn't people have died?

If they spent their time in the big box stores, that were not closed during lockdowns, and got COVID, they might very well have died.

True.

it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick naturally immune.

But wouldn't people have died?

They died anyway.

A lot of people died, yes, but due to vaccines, social distancing, and masks, less people died than would have otherwise.

How is it that putting COVID patients in nursing homes with the elderly bad, but putting COVID patients in contact with the general population s that people "get sick and naturally immune" is good?

By your own stated opinion, Fauci did not mislead or misspeak. Fauci
said that the elderly were at high risk. Putting COVID patients in contact with the elderly in nursing homes (where, in addition to being elderly, they are more likely to have additional health risks), even
after Fauci said they were at greater risk, is very much different than putting them in contact with the general population.

Not all of the elderly are in nursing homes.

I am surprised you don't seem to see that. I don't think either is a great idea, but I can also see the difference and that one is worse.

I don't think it was a good idea, either, but the whole suggestion that we should have just let it run its course is absurd. The only justification for
it being a better solution is that it's the exact opposite of everything we tried to do. Criticizing putting COVID patients into nursing homes actually makes sense, because it assumes that the goal is to minimize deaths. That is
in stark contrast to the rest of this "solution," which seems focused not on saving lives but in "sticking it to the man."

And if it's good, then how is giving people a vaccine that makes them mo comfortable mixing with each other bad?

If they then use it as an excuse to stop taking other precautions, something they are doing (and were encouraged to do by the government), then it is certainly not good. The shot was supposed to help you be more comfortable mixing, while observing other precations, when it was necessary, not to give you an excuse for returning to being in everyone's face and filling one's social calendar.

However, the vaccine is not a placebo. But according to this "solution," it might as well be, because the goal is to get as many people exposed to it as possible, right?

Jeff.

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On 21 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

This also. There is another discussion in this echo about how Fauci
never mislead or misspoke, but he sure did about masks. Ironically,
both he and Trump later said they did so in order to prevent everyone
from hoarding masks that essential workers needed. Fauci gets a pass
for doing so, while Trump does not.

Fauci did not mislead about masks. He did not say that they were ineffective, or that they were dangerous. He said that they were in short supply. Once
they were more readily available, but strongly suggested their use.

Jeff.

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On 21 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

Nothing is 100% effective. Any combination of precautions is than its constituent parts.

this vaccine certainly isnt effective at all.

It's considerably more effective than 0%.

it's worse than 0%
you can have serious side effects from the vaccine. I know people
who have these serious problems after being vaccinated. a coworker has
an enlarged heart and he can't do his job.

The side effects are rare. And guess what: Myocarditis can be caused by
COVID, too, and at a much higher rate.

vaccines take years to develop and test.

Apparently they can be fast-tracked if the need is great enough.

never in a million years.

And yet, they were.

Jeff.

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On 21 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.

Nope. Prove it.

just look up everything he's said in the past 2 years.
and the cdc and everyone else. there is your proof.

Nice try, but no. You don't have anything specific, do you?

Jeff.

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On 21 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

Your "solution" has some basic logic flaws.

nope my solution would have worked.

It would have been an unmitigated disaster. Literally. Not even Trump was
dumb enough to go for that.

Jeff.

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On 21 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

That's not exactly what they said, though. They said they would not trust it strictly on Trump's word but would require assurances from t scientific and medical community. Once those assurances were given, t were vaccinated.

The Democrats were just trying to maintain the narrative that "there's no cure" and that "life will never return to normal ever again" and that "this is what you get when you have a lousy president like Trump."

That's not what they said, either. And they took the vaccine as soon as it
was scientifically and medically endorsed, just as they said they would.

Jeff.

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The vaccine doesn't vaccinate. Other than that, it's a great product.

And then there's the side effects. The many, many side effects. Mostly seen in young males. But that's probably because it impacts females in the reproductive system - and the effects won't be seen for a while yet.

The VAERS database is not a list of known side effects, but a list of adverse effects that may or may not be related to the vaccines. Zero causality can be inferred from inclusion in the VAERS database.

Jeff.

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On 22 May 2022, Al Thompson said the following...

Gee, it sounds like he said exactly that.

He said, "right now, there's no reason for people to be walking around with masks." He also mentioned healthcare workers needing masks. Why would healthcare workers need masks if they were ineffective? Why would healthcare workers need masks if they were dangerous, or did more harm than good? His comments are being taken out of context.

Jeff.

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On 21 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

Your "solution" has some basic logic flaws.

nope my solution would have worked.

Weren't you just complaining about how people at work keep getting too close
to you? That's your solution at work, man! What are you afraid of?

Jeff.

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Why would healthcare workers need masks if they were ineffective? Why would
healthcare workers need masks if they were dangerous, or did more harm than good?

Absolutely no reason at all, if all the above was true. DUH!

I guess Al is wearing something like a donor card, that says that under no circumstances will anyone be allowed to perform any kind of surgery on him, wearing masks. After all, why violate the healthcare worker's constitutional rights?



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what you get when you have a lousy president like Trump."

That narrative has oddly changed once midterms and other reelections started approaching. Politicians who were more strict with lockdowns
when Trump was President started touting normalcy, dropping mask wearing requirements, etc., even when COVID case numbers started going back up.

I think you're right. The current narrative implies that "vaccines and boosters make people impervious to covid" and that "Joe and other socialists have restored normal life."

Now just so happens to be a convenient time to ignore covid statistics and
brag about a success story that never actually happened.

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Jeff Thiele wrote to Dr. What <=-

The VAERS database is not a list of known side effects, but a list of adverse effects that may or may not be related to the vaccines. Zero causality can be inferred from inclusion in the VAERS database.

No one said anything about VAERS.

Just more leftie misdirection. Gotta keep the sheeple from learning that the jab kills - and does nothing to prevent COVID.


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Jas Hud wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

it's worse than 0%
you can have serious side effects from the vaccine. I know people
who have these serious problems after being vaccinated. a coworker has
an enlarged heart and he can't do his job.

There is no COVID vaccine and never was.

That's why the CDC, quietly in the dead of night, changed the definition of "vaccine".


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Al Thompson wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Which raises a question. The original selling point of MRNA technology vaccines was that it could be quickly adjusted to deal with new strains and variations. Yet they haven't done that, and I wonder why, instead
of recommending "boosters" of the same variation.

Also factor in that research into MRNA "vaccines" have been complete failures.

Are we to believe that for COVID that they all of a sudden got it right? That's straining belief more than a little.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Now just so happens to be a convenient time to ignore covid statistics
and brag about a success story that never actually happened.

And Joe's been doing that his whole political career.

How many lies has he been caught in now? I've lost count.


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Fauci did not mislead about masks. He did not say that they were ineffective, or that they were dangerous. He said that they were in
short supply. Once they were more readily available, but strongly suggested their use.

After he designed and released the omnicron variant he began telling people to "wear 2 masks." I listened to him. He's an expert. It worked.

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"this is what you get when you have a lousy president like Trump."

That's not what they said, either. And they took the vaccine as soon as
it was scientifically and medically endorsed, just as they said they would.

Yes but Trump wasn't telling people to take the vaccine prematurely. He was just telling people "the vaccine is on the way." People like Kamala and Cuomo were just twisting stuff around, quite similarly to the way the media does.

"There's no hope."
"There's no vaccine."
"Trump is trying to get your hopes up so he can win his election."

Democrats prey on positive energy and they convert it to negative energy. The media has most of us programmed to receive and to respond accordingly to these negative attitudes.

What kind of a leader wishes to tell people "There's no vaccine on the way - there's NO HOPE?" A leader like Kamala!

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|03Quoting message from |11Jeff Thiele |03to |11Mike Powell
|03on |1122 May 22 09:55:31|03.

On 21 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

I think we had this conversation a long time ago. I provided links t various government websites that proved that even Fauci has made misleading / misspoken claims.

Did Fauci tell people not to wear masks at one time? Yes.
Did Fauci explain his reasoning at the time? Yes.
Was that reasoning because masks don't work? No.
Was that reasoning because masks are dangerous? No.
Was that reasoning because masks were in short supply and were more needed medical professionals? Yes.

fauci has said everything. he's a liar.
masks were not in short supply.

everything fauci says is a lie.
don't worship false gods.

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|03Quoting message from |11Jeff Thiele |03to |11Mike Powell
|03on |1122 May 22 10:08:19|03.

On 21 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

This also. There is another discussion in this echo about how Fauci never mislead or misspoke, but he sure did about masks. Ironically, both he and Trump later said they did so in order to prevent everyone from hoarding masks that essential workers needed. Fauci gets a pass for doing so, while Trump does not.

Fauci did not mislead about masks. He did not say that they were ineffecti or that they were dangerous. He said that they were in short supply. Once they were more readily available, but strongly suggested their use.

he did lie about masks. he said that we didn't need them.
this is on video.

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COVID, too, and at a much higher rate.

vaccines take years to develop and test.

Apparently they can be fast-tracked if the need is great enough.

never in a million years.

And yet, they were.

i can piss in a jar and call it a vaccine for covid.
and it would be just as effective.

even your god fauci said vaccines take years to develop and test.

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|03Quoting message from |11Jeff Thiele |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1122 May 22 10:12:42|03.

On 21 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.

Nope. Prove it.

just look up everything he's said in the past 2 years.
and the cdc and everyone else. there is your proof.

Nice try, but no. You don't have anything specific, do you?

it's not my fault you have been living under a rock.

i've been paying attention. you have not.

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|03Quoting message from |11Jeff Thiele |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1122 May 22 10:13:53|03.

On 21 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

Your "solution" has some basic logic flaws.

nope my solution would have worked.

It would have been an unmitigated disaster. Literally. Not even Trump was dumb enough to go for that.

everything we did was a disaster.

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Hello Mike,

Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He

misspoke.

Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers

never

claim.

yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.

Nope. Prove it.

I think we had this conversation a long time ago. I provided links to various government websites that proved that even Fauci has made misleading
/ misspoken claims.

Mike Powell is not a credibal source for information of any kind.

--Lee

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Hello Mike,

+ dont put covid patients in nursing homes with the elderly. WTF!!

Why, because people might die?

More people, in the nursing homes, did die because governments did just this.

+ dont assume some bullshit vaccine works and then go out to huge

events.

Why, because people might die?

Vaccinated people have died.

It is mostly those who have not been vaccinated who have died.
At least in this country and in the civilized world.

--Lee

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Hello Jas,

also covid vaccines dont work.

Not being 100% effective and not working are two very different things.

Nothing is 100% effective. Any combination of precautions is

more

than its constituent parts.

this vaccine certainly isnt effective at all.

It's considerably more effective than 0%.

it's worse than 0%
you can have serious side effects from the vaccine.

A serious side effect from not getting vaccinated is death.

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Hello Jas,

Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He

misspoke

Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers

never

claim.

yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.

Prove it.

google

Not good enough. You made the assertion. You prove it. If you can.
Otherwise, you're all wet.

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Hello Jas,

it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick a
naturally immune.

Do nothing. Let people get sick and die. Helluva solution.
May you RIP.

it's not doing nothing. we have immune systems.
and in the end our immune systems are what saved us from covid.

Nobody in the entire world had any immunity to the novel covid19
coronavirus. Without any kind of a vaccine, all of us were at its
mercy. Every single man, woman, and child. As well as the unborn.

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i can piss in a jar and call it a vaccine for covid.
and it would be just as effective.

even your god fauci said vaccines take years to develop and test.

Anyone who intentionally mutates SARS ahead of the pandemic, tests it's deadliness out on beagle pups, sure sounds like a guy who knows his stuff.

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On 22 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

After he designed and released the omnicron variant he began telling people to "wear 2 masks." I listened to him. He's an expert. It worked.

BS.

Jeff.

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On 22 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

That's not what they said, either. And they took the vaccine as soon it was scientifically and medically endorsed, just as they said they would.

Yes but Trump wasn't telling people to take the vaccine prematurely. He was just telling people "the vaccine is on the way." People like Kamala and Cuomo were just twisting stuff around, quite similarly to the way
the media does.

They quite clearly said that that wouldn't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone.

"There's no hope."
"There's no vaccine."
"Trump is trying to get your hopes up so he can win his election."

Nope. "We won't take it on Trump's word alone." When it was endorsed by the scientific and medical communities, they took it.

Democrats prey on positive energy and they convert it to negative
energy. The media has most of us programmed to receive and to respond accordingly to these negative attitudes.

Nope. False hope is not positive energy. "It's a hoax" is not positive
energy. "It'll be gone by Easter" is not positive energy. "It's no worse than the flu" is not positive energy.

What kind of a leader wishes to tell people "There's no vaccine on the
way - there's NO HOPE?" A leader like Kamala!

Kamala never said that.

Jeff.

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On 22 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

fauci has said everything. he's a liar.
masks were not in short supply.

Yes, they were. That's a matter of historical record.

everything fauci says is a lie.
don't worship false gods.

It's a big stretch from "this one thing Fauci said was a lie" to "everything Fauci says is a lie," but that is the position you've chosen to take. It is unteneble.

Jeff.

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On 22 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

Fauci did not mislead about masks. He did not say that they were ineff or that they were dangerous. He said that they were in short supply. O they were more readily available, but strongly suggested their use.

he did lie about masks. he said that we didn't need them.
this is on video.

`
He said that they were of more use to healthcare professionals at that time. This is on video.

Jeff.

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On 22 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

i can piss in a jar and call it a vaccine for covid.
and it would be just as effective.

Nope. Jad piss is not as effective as the COVID vaccines.

even your god fauci said vaccines take years to develop and test.

Under ideal conditions, yes. Under less-than-ideal conditions, no.

Jeff.

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On 22 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

Nice try, but no. You don't have anything specific, do you?

it's not my fault you have been living under a rock.

All you have is "everything Fauci has ever said is a lie," which is demonstrably false. As a matter of fact, you're claiming that Fauci saying
that we don't need masks is true. Which it isn't, but you're claiming it is, which makes your claim that everything Fauci says is false internally inconsistent.

i've been paying attention. you have not.

It would seem that the opposite is true, actually.

Jeff.

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On 22 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

nope my solution would have worked.

It would have been an unmitigated disaster. Literally. Not even Trump dumb enough to go for that.

everything we did was a disaster.

False.

Jeff.

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After he designed and released the omnicron variant he began telling people to "wear 2 masks." I listened to him. He's an expert. It worke

BS.

You didn't hear him saying to wear 2 masks during the big omnicron attack?

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They quite clearly said that that wouldn't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone.

Nobody was asking them to take the vaccine on Trump's word alone.

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It's a big stretch from "this one thing Fauci said was a lie" to "everything Fauci says is a lie," but that is the position you've chosen to take. It is unteneble.

It's not a big stretch; when you catch someone lying, it destroys their reputation. When broadcast tv gets interrupted for an important word from the white house, and it turns out to be BS, and after there's been no correction and/or update, you'd have to be pretty damn brainwashed to kneel down for another load of it.

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On 23 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

You didn't hear him saying to wear 2 masks during the big omnicron
attack?

Perhaps he did. That does not infer that masks are ineffective.

Jeff.

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On 23 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

They quite clearly said that that wouldn't take the vaccine on Trump' word alone.

Nobody was asking them to take the vaccine on Trump's word alone.

That was the situation at the time. It changed, their response changed.

Jeff.

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On 23 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

It's a big stretch from "this one thing Fauci said was a lie" to "everything Fauci says is a lie," but that is the position you've cho to take. It is unteneble.

It's not a big stretch; when you catch someone lying, it destroys their reputation. When broadcast tv gets interrupted for an important word
from the white house, and it turns out to be BS, and after there's been
no correction and/or update, you'd have to be pretty damn brainwashed to kneel down for another load of it.

BS. Fauci didn't lie. Even more preposterous is the statement that
"everything he said was a lie," especially when one is trying to use Fauci's own the truth of Fauci's own "lies" to prove the ineffectiveness of masks. If everything Fauci said was a lie, then one can't use a Fauci quote to prove a "truth."

Jeff.

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Jas Hud wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

it's not my fault you have been living under a rock.

Jeff has not been living under a rock. He lives in his mom's basement because he can't get a real job and move out.

Seriously, Jeff is an Ignorant Leftie Elite. For these people, their Narrative is "true" and any fact that counters that is false.

You can't argue with him and you can't discuss anything with him. He's been throughly innoculated against facts that violate the Narrative.

And no matter how many facts you bring up, Lefties will never, ever, ever admit that they were wrong.

i've been paying attention. you have not.

Oh, he's been paying attention. He just willfully ignores any fact that he doesn't like.


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Hello Jas,

COVID, too, and at a much higher rate.

vaccines take years to develop and test.

Apparently they can be fast-tracked if the need is great

enough.

never in a million years.

And yet, they were.

i can piss in a jar and call it a vaccine for covid.
and it would be just as effective.

Jesus H. Christ that's a lot of horse piss! 7.8 billion doses!
Not even Superman could do that! Even with help from Lois Lane!

even your god fauci said vaccines take years to develop and test.

Kryptonite is not a vaccine ...

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On 23 May 2022, Ron L. said the following...

it's not my fault you have been living under a rock.

Jeff has not been living under a rock. He lives in his mom's basement because he can't get a real job and move out.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Seriously, Jeff is an Ignorant Leftie Elite. For these people, their Narrative is "true" and any fact that counters that is false.

Are you sure you're not describing yourself here, Ron? Is any fact that counters your narrative du jour false by definition?

You can't argue with him and you can't discuss anything with him. He's been throughly innoculated against facts that violate the Narrative.

Are you sure you're not describing yourself here, Ron? Have you been
thoroughly innoculated against any facts that violate your narrative du jour?

And no matter how many facts you bring up, Lefties will never, ever,
ever admit that they were wrong.

Are you sure you're not describing yourself here, Ron? When was the last time you admitted that any part of your narrative du jour was wrong?

i've been paying attention. you have not.

Oh, he's been paying attention. He just willfully ignores any fact that he doesn't like.

Are you sure you're not describing yourself here, Ron? Do you willfully
ignore any fact that violates your narrative du jour?

Jeff.

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Nobody was asking them to take the vaccine on Trump's word alone.

That was the situation at the time. It changed, their response changed.

"I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a bogus narrative. Harris and the other creatures saw the vaccine as a threat to their livelihood. They weren't ready for covid to be over, not just because Trump hadn't been removed yet, but also because they were not finished playing God.

Now the narrative is "Biden did such a great job solving the covid crisis that it's no longer a pandemic and you don't have to wear the masks that Trump
made people wear."

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BS. Fauci didn't lie. Even more preposterous is the statement that "everything he said was a lie," especially when one is trying to use Fauci's own the truth of Fauci's own "lies" to prove the ineffectiveness of masks. If everything Fauci said was a lie, then one can't use a Fauci quote to prove a "truth."

Not everything he said was a lie, but after getting caught lying, all of his preceding comments have depreciated in value.

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And no matter how many facts you bring up, Lefties will never, ever, ever admit that they were wrong.

Are you sure you're not describing yourself here, Ron? When was the last time you admitted that any part of your narrative du jour was wrong?

Jeff, you messed up: You were supposed to pre-emptively accuse the
conservative way in advance, that way they can look like the liar later. You're letting him beat you at your own game! ;)

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On 23 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Nobody was asking them to take the vaccine on Trump's word alone

That was the situation at the time. It changed, their response change

"I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a bogus narrative.

No, it wasn't.

Harris and the other creatures saw the vaccine as a threat to their livelihood. They weren't ready for covid to be over, not just because Trump hadn't been removed yet, but also because they were not finished playing God.

They took the vaccine as soon as it was endorsed by the scientific and
medical communities. It had nothing to do with their "livelihood" or "playing God."

Now the narrative is "Biden did such a great job solving the covid
crisis that it's no longer a pandemic and you don't have to wear the
masks that Trump made people wear."

No, it's not. No one is saying any of that, except that the federal response
to the pandemic is concluded. Why do you want the government telling people that they have to wear masks? Are you afraid of something?

Jeff.

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On 23 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

BS. Fauci didn't lie. Even more preposterous is the statement that "everything he said was a lie," especially when one is trying to use Fauci's own the truth of Fauci's own "lies" to prove the ineffectiven of masks. If everything Fauci said was a lie, then one can't use a Fa quote to prove a "truth."

Not everything he said was a lie, but after getting caught lying, all of his preceding comments have depreciated in value.

Nope. Every statement is either true or false. And Fauci didn't lie.

Jeff.

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On 23 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

And no matter how many facts you bring up, Lefties will never, e ever admit that they were wrong.

Are you sure you're not describing yourself here, Ron? When was the l time you admitted that any part of your narrative du jour was wrong?

Jeff, you messed up: You were supposed to pre-emptively accuse the conservative way in advance, that way they can look like the liar later. You're letting him beat you at your own game! ;)

I have no idea what you're talking about. But then again, you see
lizard-people everywhere, so I'm not inclined to put too much effort into decoding it.

Jeff.

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By your own stated opinion, Fauci did not mislead or misspeak. Fauci said that the elderly were at high risk. Putting COVID patients in contact with the elderly in nursing homes (where, in addition to being elderly, they are more likely to have additional health risks), even after Fauci said they were at greater risk, is very much different than putting them in contact with the general population.

Not all of the elderly are in nursing homes.

No, but "in addition to being elderly (in nursing homes), they are more likely to have additional health risks." I cannot speak for Jas, but it sounds
like he thought people should have stayed away from nursing homes even in
his scenario.

I don't think it was a good idea, either, but the whole suggestion that we should have just let it run its course is absurd. The only justification for it being a better solution is that it's the exact opposite of everything we tried to do. Criticizing putting COVID patients into nursing homes actually makes sense, because it assumes that the goal is to minimize deaths. That is in stark contrast to the rest of this "solution," which seems focused not on saving lives but in "sticking it to the man."

Sticking it to "the man" usually means people with money, or the
government, or both. I don't see where keeping everything open sticks it
to the first group. I also don't see where it really sticks it to the
second group, other than it being in spite of the course of action they actually took.

If they then use it as an excuse to stop taking other precautions, something they are doing (and were encouraged to do by the government), then it is certainly not good. The shot was supposed to help you be more
comfortable mixing, while observing other precations, when it was necessary, not to give you an excuse for returning to being in everyone's
face and filling one's social calendar.

However, the vaccine is not a placebo. But according to this "solution," it might as well be, because the goal is to get as many people exposed to it as possible, right?

It is not a placebo. On the other hand, if everyone is going to treat the
shot not as how it was intended (help you be more confortable mixing, while observing other precautions, when necessary) but instead as an excuse for filling one's social calendar like there is no problem, then I don't see
too much of a difference between his "solution" and what is happening.


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That narrative has oddly changed once midterms and other reelections started approaching. Politicians who were more strict with lockdowns when Trump was President started touting normalcy, dropping mask wearing requirements, etc., even when COVID case numbers started going back up.

I think you're right. The current narrative implies that "vaccines and booster
make people impervious to covid" and that "Joe and other socialists have restored normal life."

Yes, something like that. Now, if the virus continues to cause a lot of trouble until the 2024 election season, I suspect the pendulum will swing
back in the other direction, and only this administration will be able to
save us from the horrible COVID and return us back (again) to "normal."

Now just so happens to be a convenient time to ignore covid statistics and brag about a success story that never actually happened.

Our state was totally "green" for a while, but that is starting to trend
the other way again. I find it somewhat ironic, since most people should
be getting outside more and not being couped up indoors... that is
partially the logic about why the flu is usually not as prevalent during
the warmer months.


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Gee, it sounds like he said exactly that.

He said, "right now, there's no reason for people to be walking around with masks." He also mentioned healthcare workers needing masks. Why would healthcare workers need masks if they were ineffective? Why would healthcare workers need masks if they were dangerous, or did more harm than good? His comments are being taken out of context.

Sounds more like you are putting them into the context that suits your argument. Healthcare workers usually need masks so as to protect
vulnerable patients from anything the worker might have. The idea that healthcare workers need masks is not new to post-COVID times.

"There is no reason for people to be walking around with masks" indicates
that there is NO reason. Except, later, he admitted that there was a
reason. No does mean no, right?


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Just more leftie misdirection. Gotta keep the sheeple from learning that the jab kills - and does nothing to prevent COVID.

While I don't agree that it does nothing, it is pretty obvious now that you should probably avoid the J&J jab. Its numbers are not impressive.


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Anyone who intentionally mutates SARS ahead of the pandemic, tests it's deadliness out on beagle pups, sure sounds like a guy who knows his stuff.

The puppy tests were with some sort of fly/gnats and not with SARS/COVID.


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After he designed and released the omnicron variant he began telling people to "wear 2 masks." I listened to him. He's an expert. It worked.

BS.

He actually did, at one point, suggest wearing multiple masks. I remember that. I also remember asking you if you were following his advice. You
said no because you were not going out at all.

You didn't hear him saying to wear 2 masks during the big omnicron attack?

Perhaps he did. That does not infer that masks are ineffective.

No, but it might infer that he was, at that moment, of the belief that a
single mask alone was not.

own the truth of Fauci's own "lies" to prove the ineffectiveness of masks. If everything Fauci said was a lie, then one can't use a Fauci quote to prove a "truth."

Other than to prove that he did say it.


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On 23 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

I don't think it was a good idea, either, but the whole suggestion that should have just let it run its course is absurd. The only justification it being a better solution is that it's the exact opposite of everything tried to do. Criticizing putting COVID patients into nursing homes actua makes sense, because it assumes that the goal is to minimize deaths. Tha in stark contrast to the rest of this "solution," which seems focused no saving lives but in "sticking it to the man."

Sticking it to "the man" usually means people with money, or the government, or both. I don't see where keeping everything open sticks it to the first group. I also don't see where it really sticks it to the second group, other than it being in spite of the course of action they actually took.

Not in isolation, no. But recommending in hindsight that we should have done the exact opposite of everything we did is his way of sticking it to the various authority figures that he doesn't like, for whatever reason, such as the doctors, scientists, and government officials that guided our response (and, in doing so, tangled with Trump, which I suspect is his real problem
with them).

If they then use it as an excuse to stop taking other precautions, something they are doing (and were encouraged to do by the governme then it is certainly not good. The shot was supposed to help you b more
comfortable mixing, while observing other precations, when it was necessary, not to give you an excuse for returning to being in everyone's
face and filling one's social calendar.

However, the vaccine is not a placebo. But according to this "solution," might as well be, because the goal is to get as many people exposed to i possible, right?

It is not a placebo. On the other hand, if everyone is going to treat
the shot not as how it was intended (help you be more confortable
mixing, while observing other precautions, when necessary) but instead
as an excuse for filling one's social calendar like there is no problem, then I don't see too much of a difference between his "solution" and
what is happening.

Bingo. And yet, he has a problem with what is happening.

Jeff.

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On 23 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

He said, "right now, there's no reason for people to be walking around w masks." He also mentioned healthcare workers needing masks. Why would healthcare workers need masks if they were ineffective? Why would health workers need masks if they were dangerous, or did more harm than good? H comments are being taken out of context.

Sounds more like you are putting them into the context that suits your argument. Healthcare workers usually need masks so as to protect vulnerable patients from anything the worker might have. The idea that healthcare workers need masks is not new to post-COVID times.

So wait, you're saying that masks help prevent the spread of disease??? Whoda thunk!?!?

"There is no reason for people to be walking around with masks" indicates that there is NO reason. Except, later, he admitted that there was a reason. No does mean no, right?

He meant what he said in the context of a mask shortage, and again later in
the absence of a mask shortage.

Jeff.

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Hello Ron,

it's not my fault you have been living under a rock.

Jeff has not been living under a rock. He lives in his mom's basement because he can't get a real job and move out.

Wow! Out of arguments already! That was quick!

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On 23 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

After he designed and released the omnicron variant he began tellin people to "wear 2 masks." I listened to him. He's an expert. It wor

BS.

He actually did, at one point, suggest wearing multiple masks. I
remember that. I also remember asking you if you were following his advice. You said no because you were not going out at all.

True, but he did not "design and release the omicron variant." Why is it that you'll point out to me that he did suggest wearing two masks, but let Aaron slide on his outright lies? Is it because he votes the same way you do?

You didn't hear him saying to wear 2 masks during the big omnicron attack?

Perhaps he did. That does not infer that masks are ineffective.

No, but it might infer that he was, at that moment, of the belief that a single mask alone was not.

And three is probably better than two. And four even better than that. That doesn't mean that one mask is entirely ineffective.

own the truth of Fauci's own "lies" to prove the ineffectiveness of mask everything Fauci said was a lie, then one can't use a Fauci quote to pro "truth."

Other than to prove that he did say it.

Nonsense.

Jeff.

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On 24 May 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Jeff has not been living under a rock. He lives in his mom's basemen because he can't get a real job and move out.

Wow! Out of arguments already! That was quick!

My mom doesn't have a basement, any more than the Comet Ping Pong Pizzaria does. What's the right's obsession with non-existent basements?

Jeff.

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Nobody was asking them to take the vaccine on Trump's word

That was the situation at the time. It changed, their response c

"I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a bogus narrativ

No, it wasn't.

Bogus is the best word to describe it. Who was telling people to take the vaccine ahead of it being released? That's the question that you'll never answer.

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Not everything he said was a lie, but after getting caught lying, all his preceding comments have depreciated in value.

Nope. Every statement is either true or false. And Fauci didn't lie.

Lying and making false statements is the same thing in my opinion.

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Jeff, you messed up: You were supposed to pre-emptively accuse the conservative way in advance, that way they can look like the liar lat You're letting him beat you at your own game! ;)

I have no idea what you're talking about. But then again, you see lizard-people everywhere, so I'm not inclined to put too much effort into decoding it.

I don't know for a fact that you guys are an alien race from another planet, but you (ie you, Al, the media, hollywood, democrats) are a collective; you all defend everything each that that each part of the collective does. To me
that's weird. Do you see conservatives doing that too? I sure don't.

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back in the other direction, and only this administration will be able to save us from the horrible COVID and return us back (again) to "normal."

We always hope for a Republican president, but now it's not as simple as before: We actually need a billionaire to be our Republican president, because he/she will need to have money to defeat the narrative kings, plus they will need to be unbuyable like Trump was. Otherwise we'll just get another shadow government under the guise of them being a "Republican" (like Romney.)

Our state was totally "green" for a while, but that is starting to trend the other way again. I find it somewhat ironic, since most people should

The same is happening here, at least in certain counties, but the media isn't talking about it.

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Anyone who intentionally mutates SARS ahead of the pandemic, tests it's deadliness out on beagle pups, sure sounds like a guy who knows his stuf

The puppy tests were with some sort of fly/gnats and not with SARS/COVID.

Either way, Fauci is a hero to American dog owners because now we know how many fly stings our dogs can withstand. Plus we know which breed to experiment on. Prior to Fauci's advice, I never knew.

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On 23 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Nobody was asking them to take the vaccine on Trump's

That was the situation at the time. It changed, their respo

"I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a bogus nar

No, it wasn't.

Bogus is the best word to describe it. Who was telling people to take the vaccine ahead of it being released? That's the question that you'll never answer.

They were answering a hypothetical question with a hypothetical answer.

Jeff.

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On 23 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Lying and making false statements is the same thing in my opinion.

Fair enough, except Fauci did neither.

Jeff.

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On 24 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I have no idea what you're talking about. But then again, you see lizard-people everywhere, so I'm not inclined to put too much effort decoding it.

I don't know for a fact that you guys are an alien race from another planet, but you (ie you, Al, the media, hollywood, democrats) are a collective; you all defend everything each that that each part of the collective does.

Not entirely. But a liberal's worst idea tends to be better than a conservative's best.

collective does. To me that's weird. Do you see conservatives doing that too? I sure don't.

Absolutely I do, man. Right now there's a little bit of a civil war going on
in the GOP, but under normal circumstances, yeah. You'll defend every lie
Trump ever told.

Jeff.

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True, but he did not "design and release the omicron variant." Why is it that you'll point out to me that he did suggest wearing two masks, but
let Aaron slide on his outright lies? Is it because he votes the same
way you do?

Fauci has admitted to creating some variants, so it's very tempting to blame him for all variants.

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My mom doesn't have a basement, any more than the Comet Ping Pong
Pizzaria does. What's the right's obsession with non-existent basements?

It's a regional thing. We have basements up north, and they're typically used for storage or for utilities, but some guys run their BBSs on a computer in
the basement, and they get picked on for never emerging from the basement.
It's become a common phrase for us at least since the 90s.

I get it that there's no basements in Texas. Pee Wee Herman learned the hard way when he was fooled into believing that he'd find his bicycle in the "basement of the Alamo."

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On 24 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

True, but he did not "design and release the omicron variant." Why is that you'll point out to me that he did suggest wearing two masks, bu let Aaron slide on his outright lies? Is it because he votes the same way you do?

Fauci has admitted to creating some variants, so it's very tempting to blame him for all variants.

Tempting, perhaps, but not very logical. Thomas Edison invented some things;
is it tempting to credit him with inventing everything?

Jeff.

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On 24 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

My mom doesn't have a basement, any more than the Comet Ping Pong Pizzaria does. What's the right's obsession with non-existent basemen

It's a regional thing. We have basements up north, and they're typically used for storage or for utilities, but some guys run their BBSs on a computer in the basement, and they get picked on for never emerging from the basement. It's become a common phrase for us at least since the 90s.

Ah, well, just as regionally it doesn't apply here.

I get it that there's no basements in Texas. Pee Wee Herman learned the hard way when he was fooled into believing that he'd find his bicycle in the "basement of the Alamo."

Ron apparently doesn't "get it."

Jeff.

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"I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a bogu

No, it wasn't.

Bogus is the best word to describe it. Who was telling people to take vaccine ahead of it being released? That's the question that you'll n answer.

They were answering a hypothetical question with a hypothetical answer.

Nobody was asking them "Would you take the vaccine on Trump's word that it's safe?" They were asking them plain and simple: "Will you take the vaccine?" They could have said "Yea" but they basically said "No."

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collective does. To me that's weird. Do you see conservatives doing t too? I sure don't.

Absolutely I do, man. Right now there's a little bit of a civil war
going on in the GOP, but under normal circumstances, yeah. You'll defend every lie Trump ever told.

Me personally or just those in office? You're right about a civil war; we don't have a collective. We also don't have the media, we don't have teachers' unions, we don't have celebrities, and we don't have sugar daddies.

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On 05-23-22 03:22, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: AsymptoDems <=-

After he designed and released the omnicron variant he began telling people to "wear 2 masks." I listened to him. He's
an expert. It worke

BS.

You didn't hear him saying to wear 2 masks during the big omnicron
attack?

Didn't you realize what your BS is?
It is the claim that Fauci designed and released the omnicron variant.
That statement is just nonsense. Covid produces its own variants, some
of which survive and become dominant. Nobody designed omnicron.

Dale Shipp
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On 05-23-22 09:08, Ron L. <=-
spoke to Jas Hud about Re: AsymptoDems <=-

it's not my fault you have been living under a rock.

Jeff has not been living under a rock. He lives in his mom's basement because he can't get a real job and move out.

Seriously, Jeff is an Ignorant Leftie Elite. For these
people, their Narrative
is "true" and any fact that counters that is false.

You can't argue with him and you can't discuss anything with him.
He's been throughly innoculated against facts that violate the
Narrative.
And no matter how many facts you bring up, Lefties will
never, ever, ever admit
that they were wrong.

i've been paying attention. you have not.

Oh, he's been paying attention. He just willfully ignores any fact
that he doesn't like.

You need to put down that mirror before you start talking so that you
can remember not to talk about yourself.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)



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On 05-23-22 23:56, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: AsymptoDems <=-

Not everything he said was a lie, but after
getting caught lying, all
his preceding comments have depreciated in value.

Nope. Every statement is either true or false. And Fauci didn't lie.

Lying and making false statements is the same thing in my opinion.

Not true. Lying is making a false statement and *knowing* that it is
false.

Dale Shipp
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On 24 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

"I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a

No, it wasn't.

Bogus is the best word to describe it. Who was telling people to vaccine ahead of it being released? That's the question that you answer.

They were answering a hypothetical question with a hypothetical answe

Nobody was asking them "Would you take the vaccine on Trump's word that it's safe?" They were asking them plain and simple: "Will you take the vaccine?" They could have said "Yea" but they basically said "No."

They said, "Yes, under the right circumstances, and no, under the wrong circumstances." And then followed through with it.

They did not give the unequivocal Yes or No answer that you wanted, but
instead gave a nuanced answer. That they did not give an unequivocal Yes does not mean that they therefore gave an unequivocal No. That's the same logical error you make when you assume that because the vaccines are not 100% effective, they must be 0% effective. And you have the nerve to compare my thought processes to a reptile's...

Jeff.

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On 24 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

collective does. To me that's weird. Do you see conservatives do too? I sure don't.

Absolutely I do, man. Right now there's a little bit of a civil war going on in the GOP, but under normal circumstances, yeah. You'll def every lie Trump ever told.

Me personally or just those in office?

Either/or.

You're right about a civil war;
we don't have a collective.

Not currently, but you have before and you're striving for one now. Every
once in a while, you have to purge the RINOs. And while that makes your party more pure, it also makes it smaller. So you tolerate the RINOs again, for a while, to build your numbers. And then you have another purge.

We also don't have the media,

Until you went bat-crap crazy, you had Fox News fairly reliably.

we don't have
teachers' unions,

Interesting example to pull out of the blue.

we don't have celebrities,

You have a few, but their views aren't very popular with the American public. Go figure.

and we don't have sugar
daddies.

Oh, no? Think again, Sherlock.

Jeff.

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Fauci has admitted to creating some variants, so it's very tempting t blame him for all variants.

Tempting, perhaps, but not very logical. Thomas Edison invented some things; is it tempting to credit him with inventing everything?

That's hilarious! No, it was probably the OTHER mad scientist who mutates SARS viruses!

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

I get it that there's no basements in Texas. Pee Wee Herman learned the hard way when he was fooled into believing that he'd find his bicycle
in the "basement of the Alamo."

Maybe that's why Jeff is so frustrated all the time. He's still running around looking for his Mom's basement. :)


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On 24 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Tempting, perhaps, but not very logical. Thomas Edison invented some things; is it tempting to credit him with inventing everything?

That's hilarious! No, it was probably the OTHER mad scientist who
mutates SARS viruses!

Indeed it is ridiculous. And that's exactly what your Fauci argument sounds like.

Jeff.

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On 24 May 2022, Ron L. said the following...

I get it that there's no basements in Texas. Pee Wee Herman learned t hard way when he was fooled into believing that he'd find his bicycle in the "basement of the Alamo."

Maybe that's why Jeff is so frustrated all the time. He's still running around looking for his Mom's basement. :)

I'm not frustrated. You're delusional, though, seeing basements where there
are none.

Jeff.

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Didn't you realize what your BS is?
It is the claim that Fauci designed and released the omnicron variant. That statement is just nonsense. Covid produces its own variants, some
of which survive and become dominant. Nobody designed omnicron.

Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"

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Nobody was asking them "Would you take the vaccine on Trump's word th it's safe?" They were asking them plain and simple: "Will you take th vaccine?" They could have said "Yea" but they basically said "No."

They said, "Yes, under the right circumstances, and no, under the wrong circumstances." And then followed through with it.

I wish you could understand that people take messages subliminally, and that people make inferences from attitudes.

The subliminal message I got from Kamala was: "No. I won't take it. Trump thinks people should drink bleach. We will never have a safe vaccine until Democrats are back in power first."

Would it be crazy for me to think that American liberals didn't hear it that way also?

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On 24 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

That statement is just nonsense. Covid produces its own variants, so of which survive and become dominant. Nobody designed omnicron.

Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"

Providing the virus with easily-invadable hosts in which to mutate is not the same thing as "designing" a variant. But you knew that.

Jeff.

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On 24 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Nobody was asking them "Would you take the vaccine on Trump's wo it's safe?" They were asking them plain and simple: "Will you ta vaccine?" They could have said "Yea" but they basically said "No

They said, "Yes, under the right circumstances, and no, under the wro circumstances." And then followed through with it.

I wish you could understand that people take messages subliminally, and that people make inferences from attitudes.

They did not say what you're claiming they said, subliminally or otherwise.

The subliminal message I got from Kamala was: "No. I won't take it. Trump thinks people should drink bleach. We will never have a safe vaccine
until Democrats are back in power first."

You were biased, and heard from their message what you wanted to hear. Nevermind that that's not what they actually said.

Would it be crazy for me to think that American liberals didn't hear it that way also?

Yes.

Jeff.

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Providing the virus with easily-invadable hosts in which to mutate is
not the same thing as "designing" a variant. But you knew that.

Vaccinated hosts are easily invadable too, but you knew that.

Are you an attorney? I bet you say that in court a lot and I bet it irritates people! :) "You robbed your own house and shot yourself because you wanted to make the defendant look guilty, because he's black, but you knew that."

"Objection!" :)

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I wish you could understand that people take messages subliminally, a that people make inferences from attitudes.

They did not say what you're claiming they said, subliminally or otherwise.

When you say "they," we lose track of who we're talking about. Maybe Hillary didn't say it that way, but Andrew Cuomo and Kamala both did. They acted
snotty about the vaccine instead of acting grateful, and if you can ever wrap your head around that, you'll realize how despicable they are for trying to shatter the hopes of all the American people (children, disabled people, elderly people) of returning to normal again some day. It was absolutely disgusting. All just to protect or preserve reptilian power.

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Hello Jeff,

Jeff has not been living under a rock. He lives in his mom's

basemen

because he can't get a real job and move out.

Wow! Out of arguments already! That was quick!

My mom doesn't have a basement, any more than the Comet Ping Pong Pizzaria does. What's the right's obsession with non-existent basements?

Ajax bought out Comet and the dog ate the pizza.

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On 24 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Providing the virus with easily-invadable hosts in which to mutate is not the same thing as "designing" a variant. But you knew that.

Vaccinated hosts are easily invadable too, but you knew that.

Not as easily as vaccinated hosts.

Are you an attorney? I bet you say that in court a lot and I bet it irritates people! :) "You robbed your own house and shot yourself
because you wanted to make the defendant look guilty, because he's
black, but you knew that."

I think you did know that, but were trying some stupid argument about Fauci "designing" the virus or something.

"Objection!" :)

Overruled.

Jeff.

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On 24 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I wish you could understand that people take messages subliminal that people make inferences from attitudes.

They did not say what you're claiming they said, subliminally or otherwise.

When you say "they," we lose track of who we're talking about. Maybe Hillary didn't say it that way, but Andrew Cuomo and Kamala both did.

No, they didn't.

They acted snotty about the vaccine instead of acting grateful, and if
you can ever wrap your head around that, you'll realize how despicable they are for trying to shatter the hopes of all the American people (children, disabled people, elderly people) of returning to normal again some day.

They took it when it was properly vetted.

It was absolutely disgusting. All just to protect or preserve
reptilian power.

Except there are no "reptilians," in power or otherwise. You're delusional.

Jeff.

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He said, "right now, there's no reason for people to be walking around masks." He also mentioned healthcare workers needing masks. Why would healthcare workers need masks if they were ineffective? Why would healt
workers need masks if they were dangerous, or did more harm than good? comments are being taken out of context.

Sounds more like you are putting them into the context that suits your argument. Healthcare workers usually need masks so as to protect vulnerable patients from anything the worker might have. The idea that healthcare workers need masks is not new to post-COVID times.

So wait, you're saying that masks help prevent the spread of disease??? Whoda thunk!?!?

Unlike Fauci, I am not the one who said that people didn't need them so,
yes, I believe they might help, and it does not hurt me personally to wear
one because I have no health conditions that would make wearing one a
burden.

"There is no reason for people to be walking around with masks" indicates
that there is NO reason. Except, later, he admitted that there was a reason. No does mean no, right?

He meant what he said in the context of a mask shortage, and again later in the absence of a mask shortage.

So no does not always mean no? Interesting.


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After he designed and released the omnicron variant he began telli
people to "wear 2 masks." I listened to him. He's an expert. It wo

BS.

He actually did, at one point, suggest wearing multiple masks. I remember that. I also remember asking you if you were following his advice. You said no because you were not going out at all.

True, but he did not "design and release the omicron variant." Why is it that you'll point out to me that he did suggest wearing two masks, but let Aaron slide on his outright lies? Is it because he votes the same way you do?

I actually don't know for certain that he does. Although it is obvious we
have not lately, I am not certain that you and I don't sometimes also.

I assume it is a lie that our government concocted COVID, and have stated I don't believe our government released it. I have debated before (with you, ironically) how I believe it actually originated, which is the same as one of the ways the CDC believes is likely (wet markets and/or wet market
smuggling).

own the truth of Fauci's own "lies" to prove the ineffectiveness of mas
everything Fauci said was a lie, then one can't use a Fauci quote to pr
"truth."

Other than to prove that he did say it.

Nonsense.

Wait so using what someone said to prove they said it is nonsense? I do remember someone here claiming they didn't write what was quote directly
back to them, so I guess you might have company in that opinion.


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Our state was totally "green" for a while, but that is starting to trend the other way again. I find it somewhat ironic, since most people should

The same is happening here, at least in certain counties, but the media isn't talking about it.

Our local media is some, but not like they were in past. They may start to
if a lot of large population areas start turning Red. Right now, as least
one of them is Yellow so that should be a concern.


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Nobody was asking them to take the vaccine on Trump's word alon

That was the situation at the time. It changed, their response chang

"I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a bogus narrative.

No, it wasn't.

It may very well not have been for some, but I also don't think it is bogus
for all. You could take what some said, claim it was from last Summer and
lead people to believe they were part of that anti-vax crowd, especially the talking heads on talk/news shows.

Now the narrative is "Biden did such a great job solving the covid crisis that it's no longer a pandemic and you don't have to wear the masks that Trump made people wear."

No, it's not. No one is saying any of that, except that the federal response to the pandemic is concluded. Why do you want the government telling people that they have to wear masks? Are you afraid of something?

Aaron has never been anti-mask that I remember. Quite the opposite, at least here. They certainly should have not yet told people it was ok to no
longer wear them, if they were vaxed, which they have.


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And no matter how many facts you bring up, Lefties will never, ever admit that they were wrong.

Are you sure you're not describing yourself here, Ron? When was the time you admitted that any part of your narrative du jour was wrong?

Jeff, you messed up: You were supposed to pre-emptively accuse the conservative way in advance, that way they can look like the liar later. You're letting him beat you at your own game! ;)

I have no idea what you're talking about. But then again, you see lizard-people everywhere, so I'm not inclined to put too much effort into decoding it.

Maybe he is a Dr. Who fan?


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Lying and making false statements is the same thing in my opinion.

Not true. Lying is making a false statement and *knowing* that it is
false.

That is what I always thought lying was, too, but I have had others tell me
it is making any statement that is false even if you believe it to be true.


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Didn't you realize what your BS is?
It is the claim that Fauci designed and released the omnicron variant. That statement is just nonsense. Covid produces its own variants, some of which survive and become dominant. Nobody designed omnicron.

Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"

That is also BS. People who were not being careful, regardless of
vaccination status, were helping the mutations spread.


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On 24 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

True, but he did not "design and release the omicron variant." Why is it you'll point out to me that he did suggest wearing two masks, but let Aa slide on his outright lies? Is it because he votes the same way you do?

I actually don't know for certain that he does. Although it is obvious
we have not lately, I am not certain that you and I don't sometimes also.

But come on, man... Reptilians?

Jeff.

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On 24 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

"I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a bogus narrat

No, it wasn't.

It may very well not have been for some, but I also don't think it is bogus for all. You could take what some said, claim it was from last Summer and lead people to believe they were part of that anti-vax crowd, especially the talking heads on talk/news shows.

Their skepticism of the vaccines was very much hinged on medical and
scientific endorsement. No one from last summer was saying that they wouldn't (currently) take the vaccine on Trump's word alone.

Now the narrative is "Biden did such a great job solving the covid crisis that it's no longer a pandemic and you don't have to wear th masks that Trump made people wear."

No, it's not. No one is saying any of that, except that the federal resp to the pandemic is concluded. Why do you want the government telling pe that they have to wear masks? Are you afraid of something?

Aaron has never been anti-mask that I remember. Quite the opposite, at least here. They certainly should have not yet told people it was ok to no longer wear them, if they were vaxed, which they have.

There's a rhetorical switcheroo going on here.
The government isn't saying that people don't need to wear masks.
The government isn't saying that people shouldn't wear masks.
The government is saying that the government no longer needs to tell people
to wear masks.

If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask. If you want the government to tell others to wear masks, that's where the problem comes in.

Jeff.

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On 24 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

I have no idea what you're talking about. But then again, you see lizard-people everywhere, so I'm not inclined to put too much effort int decoding it.

Maybe he is a Dr. Who fan?

I'd suspect he's a David Icke fan.

Jeff.

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On 05-24-22 14:54, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-

Didn't you realize what your BS is?
It is the claim that Fauci designed and released the omnicron variant. That statement is just nonsense. Covid produces its own variants, some
of which survive and become dominant. Nobody designed omnicron.

Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"

I had not heard that one, but there is some truth to it. The
unvaccinated are helping/allowing Covid to survive and by surviving, it
creates variants.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 05-24-22 17:59, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-

Lying and making false statements is the same thing in my opinion.

Not true. Lying is making a false statement and *knowing* that it is
false.

That is what I always thought lying was, too, but I have had others
tell me it is making any statement that is false even if you believe it
to be true.

So don't believe everything others tell you.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"

When the facts get to a undenyable level, the Lefties just drop their old assertations and pretend that they never said them.


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