A while back, Biden said "There will be consequences if Russia invades Ukraine."

Then more recently, Kamala said "Russia will suffer significant financial harship if they invade Ukraine."

I thought they were full of it when they said those things, but they were actually telling the truth:

There *will* be consequences of an invasion of Ukraine, but they won't be consequences imposed by Joe Biden.

Russia *will* suffer significant financial hardship, because the cost of an invasion is massive; it's not inexpensive for them to pull it off.

Joe and Kamala are smart guys.

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Hello Aaron,

A while back, Biden said "There will be consequences if Russia invades Ukraine."

He stated the obvious.

Then more recently, Kamala said "Russia will suffer significant financial harship if they invade Ukraine."

She stated the obvious.

I thought they were full of it when they said those things, but they were actually telling the truth:

Politicians never lie. They are just more expedient with the truth.

There *will* be consequences of an invasion of Ukraine, but they won't be consequences imposed by Joe Biden.

The entire world (not just Joe Biden and Kamala Harris) will condemn
Russia for its actions in regards to Ukraine. And Russia will pay the
price. A huge price.

Russia *will* suffer significant financial hardship, because the cost of an
invasion is massive; it's not inexpensive for them to pull it off.

Russia has lots of oil and gas, caviar, and nukes. Invading Ukraine
means a significant rise in the cost of oil and gas. Which means huge
profits for Russian sales of oil and gas.

The problem will be who is going to buy that oil and gas from them.
And who is going to bury all those dead Russian soldiers returning
home in body bags.

How long will the Russian people tolerate this? How long will it
take for the Russian military to step in and put an end to Putin's
reign of terror?

Joe and Kamala are smart guys.

Kamala is a gal. A really smart gal.

--Lee

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How long will the Russian people tolerate this? How long will it
take for the Russian military to step in and put an end to Putin's
reign of terror?

How about having Biden's military step in? Ukraine is going to lose statehood by force. The least Biden could do is plead with Zelensky to hand the country over peacefully.

Russia can't annex stuff humanely without the help of the Obama/Biden regime.

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on *21.02.22* at *6:37:26* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
to *All* about *"All talk no action"*.

A while back, Biden said "There will be consequences if Russia invades Ukraine."

Then more recently, Kamala said "Russia will suffer significant financial harship if they invade Ukraine."

I thought they were full of it when they said those things, but they were actually telling the truth:

There will be consequences of an invasion of Ukraine, but they won't be consequences imposed by Joe Biden.

Russia will suffer significant financial hardship, because the cost of an invasion is massive; it's not inexpensive for them to pull it off.

Joe and Kamala are smart guys.

I still like Biden's stance that he articulated at the UN that there would be firm consequences if Russia invades, unless they just invade a little bit.


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//Hello Aaron,//

on *22.02.22* at *5:02:02* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
to *Lee Lofaso* about *"Re: All talk no action"*.

How long will the Russian people tolerate this? How long will it take
for the Russian military to step in and put an end to Putin's reign of
terror?

How about having Biden's military step in? Ukraine is going to lose statehood by force. The least Biden could do is plead with Zelensky to hand the country over peacefully.

Russia can't annex stuff humanely without the help of the Obama/Biden regime.

You must be French

Regards,
Brian Franklin
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Brian Franklin wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

Russia can't annex stuff humanely without the help of the Obama/Biden regime.

You must be French

I wonder if they ever recognized the problem of the Maginot line.


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//Hello Ron,//

on *22.02.22* at *13:19:10* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
to *Brian Franklin* about *"Re: All talk no action"*.

Brian Franklin wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

Russia can't annex stuff humanely without the help of the Obama/Biden
regime.

You must be French

I wonder if they ever recognized the problem of the Maginot line.

Ukraine defense forces are close to 300,000...they are not going to just roll over. Russia may end up finding itself neck deep in a guerrilla war, and many pockets of Ukrainian supporters already deployed within Russia. I'm sure the Russians have planted many cells within Ukraine as well. They don't need our President in the middle of it do they? Where are the UN peacekeeping troops in the blue beanies? I hope the US stays out of this. We have bigger problems.


Regards,
Brian Franklin
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Hello Aaron,

How long will the Russian people tolerate this? How long will it
take for the Russian military to step in and put an end to Putin's
reign of terror?

How about having Biden's military step in?

You want WWIII?

Ukraine is going to lose statehood by force.

Russia invaded part of Ukraine in 2014. President Obama imposed
sanctions on Russia. Donald Trump wanted to reward Putin by removing
those sanctions, but was unable to do so.

Now Putin has chosen to continue his invasion of Ukraine by having
Russian troops occupy the Donbas region. President Biden has imposed
additional sanctions on Russia as a result. Europe is doing the same.

Donald Trump continues to cheer his friend Vladimir Putin on,
in hopes of getting a dacha in Moscow to flee to, given he is
likely to be indicted very soon.

The least Biden could do is plead with Zelensky to hand the country
over peacefully.

Joe Biden is not Neville Chamberlain. Nor is he Donald Trump.

Russia can't annex stuff humanely without the help of the Obama/Biden regime.

Russia's illegal annexation of the southern area of Ukraine known
as Crimea has been condemened by the US and the world.

Russia's illegal occupation of the Donbas region of Ukraine is already
being condemned by the US and the world.

Vladimir Putin has no respect for international law.
Vladimir Putin has no respect for the Russian constitution.
Vladimir Putin has no respect for the people of Russia.
Vladimir Putin certainly has no respect for people who believe
in freedom and democracy.

And neither does Donald J. Trump.

--Lee

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Hello Brian,

Russia can't annex stuff humanely without the help of the Obama/Biden
regime.

You must be French

I wonder if they ever recognized the problem of the Maginot line.

Ukraine defense forces are close to 300,000...they are not going to just roll over. Russia may end up finding itself neck deep in a guerrilla war, and many pockets of Ukrainian supporters already deployed within Russia. I'm sure the Russians have planted many cells within Ukraine as well. They
don't need our President in the middle of it do they? Where are the UN peacekeeping troops in the blue beanies? I hope the US stays out of this. We have bigger problems.

Neville Chamberlain would be proud if he had supporters like you.

Unfortunately for him (and Adolf Hitler), Winston Churchill stood
in his way.

--Lee

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//Hello Lee,//

on *22.02.22* at *16:44:17* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
to *Brian Franklin* about *"All talk no action"*.

Neville Chamberlain would be proud if he had supporters like you. Unfortunately for him (and Adolf Hitler), Winston Churchill stood in his way.

--Lee

Thanks for the laugh of the day Lee...it was epic.

What branch of the US military did you serve? I didn't serve, but my dad and son did. Just curious.

President Biden is no Winston Churchill. He's not even JFK.


Regards,
Brian Franklin
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Hello Brian,

Thanks for the laugh of the day Lee...it was epic.

What branch of the US military did you serve? I didn't serve, but my dad and son did. Just curious.

President Biden is no Winston Churchill. He's not even JFK.

Vladimir Putin is Donald Trump's hero.

--Lee

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on *22.02.22* at *16:44:17* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
to *Brian Franklin* about *"All talk no action"*.

Hello Brian,

Russia can't annex stuff humanely without the help of the Obama/Biden
regime.

You must be French

I wonder if they ever recognized the problem of the Maginot line.

Ukraine defense forces are close to 300,000...they are not going to just
roll over. Russia may end up finding itself neck deep in a guerrilla
war, and many pockets of Ukrainian supporters already deployed within
Russia.
I'm sure the Russians have planted many cells within Ukraine as well.
They
don't need our President in the middle of it do they? Where are the UN
peacekeeping troops in the blue beanies? I hope the US stays out of
this.
We have bigger problems.

Neville Chamberlain would be proud if he had supporters like you.

Unfortunately for him (and Adolf Hitler), Winston Churchill stood in his way.

Ukraine and Russia have fought each other for a few hundred years. Much of eastern Ukraine is ethnically Russian, speaks Russian, has Russian Passports, etc.

Ukraine is not a NATO member, so we have no obligation to go to war to defend them. The Ukrainian government is nearly as corrupt as the Russian government.

Are you willing to send your kids or your grandkids to fight and die to defend ethnic Russians in Ukraine? If you are, send them to join the Asov Battalion who has been fighting against the Russians for 8 years or so. They are actively recruiting people to fight the Russians. BTW - they're neo-Nazi.

If you're not willing to send your kids to fight the Russians, then you can't accuse anyone else of being an appeasement advocate.

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On 02-21-22 03:33, Al Thompson <=-
spoke to Aaron Thomas about All talk no action <=-

I still like Biden's stance that he articulated at the UN
that there would be firm consequences if Russia invades,
unless they just invade a little bit.

Russia has now invaded in two provinces. Whether that is a "little bit"
or not is a subject for debate -- but what is true is that Biden has implemented sanctions for Russia's action.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Al,

Russia can't annex stuff humanely without the help of the

Obama/Biden

regime.

You must be French

I wonder if they ever recognized the problem of the Maginot line.

Ukraine defense forces are close to 300,000...they are not going to

just

roll over. Russia may end up finding itself neck deep in a guerrilla
war, and many pockets of Ukrainian supporters already deployed

within

Russia.
I'm sure the Russians have planted many cells within Ukraine as

well.

They
don't need our President in the middle of it do they? Where are the

UN

peacekeeping troops in the blue beanies? I hope the US stays out of
this.
We have bigger problems.

Neville Chamberlain would be proud if he had supporters like you.

Unfortunately for him (and Adolf Hitler), Winston Churchill stood in

his

way.

Ukraine and Russia have fought each other for a few hundred years. Much of eastern Ukraine is ethnically Russian, speaks Russian, has Russian Passports, etc.

Ukraine is a free and independent state. Russia invaded a part of
Ukraine in 2014, and has decided to continue that invasion in another
area of Ukraine in 2022. When a country does that, it is a violation
of international law. But then, Vladimir Putin has no respect for any
kind of law, except his own.

There are many languages spoken in Ukraine, including Russian. But
how does that make Ukraine any part of Russia? There are many languages
spoken in the USA. How does that make the USA any part of Spain, or
France, or Germany, or England, or any other country in the world?

Ukraine is not a NATO member, so we have no obligation to go to war to defend them.

Afghanistan is not a NATO member. GWB told us all we had an obligation
to go to war to defend them from "terrorists". According to him, we
had to fight them either here, or there, so better to fight them there.
And let's not forget about Iraq, whose dictator tried to bump off his
father ...

The Ukrainian government is nearly as corrupt as the Russian government.

The Afghan government we supported for twenty years was corrupt
to the core. We finally left Afghanistan after the former rulers
retook control of that country.

But that is not the issue. The issue is a free and democratic
state has been invaded, and that invasion is continuing. This
Russian invasion of Ukraine has been condemned not only by the
USA, but also by the entire world.

Are you willing to send your kids or your grandkids to fight and die to defend ethnic Russians in Ukraine?

A bully will never stop until somebody makes him stop. That time
is now, not later. The people of Ukraine will do their best, with
what they have, to stop the bully. But they can only do so much
on their own. And even with help from us, and others, it might
not be enough to save them from their fate. But we must try. We
have both a duty and an obligation to do so. A sacred duty and
obligation.

If you are, send them to join the Asov Battalion who has been fighting against the Russians for 8 years or so. They are actively recruiting people to fight the Russians. BTW - they're neo-Nazi.

US President Joe Biden has decided to impose additional sanctions
on Russia as a result of its continued invasion of Ukraine. He is
also sending addtional US troops to Poland, and elsewhere, so as
to keep Russia from further acts of aggression. Other countries
in Europe are also imposing sanctions on Russia, as well as putting
soldiers on alert.

If you're not willing to send your kids to fight the Russians, then you can't accuse anyone else of being an appeasement advocate.

What did Neville Chamberlain do to protect England from Hitler?
The same as what Donald Trump did to protect Ukraine from Putin's
Russia. In fact, your orange clown wanted to lift sanctions on
Russia, claiming Putin did a fantastic job.

--Lee

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Brian Franklin wrote to Dr. What <=-

Ukraine defense forces are close to 300,000...they are not going to
just roll over. Russia may end up finding itself neck deep in a
guerrilla war, and many pockets of Ukrainian supporters already
deployed within Russia. I'm sure the Russians have planted many cells within Ukraine as well. They don't need our President in the middle of
it do they? Where are the UN peacekeeping troops in the blue beanies?
I hope the US stays out of this. We have bigger problems.

Agreed. If the the world has problem with the Ukraine situation, that's a U.N. problem, not a U.S. problem.

But there are certain groups who NEED a crisis like this to distract people from the other things that they are doing.


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Brian Franklin wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

President Biden is no Winston Churchill. He's not even JFK.

But I'm sure Jimmy Carter is happy about Biden. There's finally a president that's worse than him.


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Now Putin has chosen to continue his invasion of Ukraine by having
Russian troops occupy the Donbas region. President Biden has imposed additional sanctions on Russia as a result. Europe is doing the same.

But nobody is really giving a flying one. When you care about something, you show commitment. But Biden's showing that he's a pushover with lame sanctions that are meaningless to the man who owns half of the world. Putin's got everything he needs right there at home. And now he's gonna have ocean frontage on the Black Sea. But I wonder why Putin didn't give it a try while Trump was president? Could it be because Trump shows commitment?

"Hmm, that excessively COMMITED president of the USA will respond strongly if we invade now. Let's wait for white Obama."

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On 22 Feb 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Now Putin has chosen to continue his invasion of Ukraine by having Russian troops occupy the Donbas region. President Biden has imposed additional sanctions on Russia as a result. Europe is doing the same.

But nobody is really giving a flying one. When you care about something, you show commitment. But Biden's showing that he's a pushover with lame sanctions that are meaningless to the man who owns half of the world. Putin's got everything he needs right there at home. And now he's gonna have ocean frontage on the Black Sea. But I wonder why Putin didn't give it a try while Trump was president? Could it be because Trump shows commitment?

Have you seen *any* of Trump's comments on the situation?

Jeff.

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Ron L. wrote to Brian Franklin <=-

Brian Franklin wrote to Dr. What <=-

I hope the US stays out of this. We have bigger problems.

Agreed. If the the world has problem with the Ukraine situation,
that's a U.N. problem, not a U.S. problem.

But there are certain groups who NEED a crisis like this to distract people from the other things that they are doing.

First - as long as the U.S. is part of the U.N., that makes it our
problem too, as much as I disagree with that...

Second, agreed - never let a good crisis go to waste!



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Hello Aaron,

Now Putin has chosen to continue his invasion of Ukraine by having
Russian troops occupy the Donbas region. President Biden has imposed
additional sanctions on Russia as a result. Europe is doing the same.

But nobody is really giving a flying one.

US President Joe Biden does.
European leaders do.
NATO does.
Ukraine President Zerensky does.

When you care about something, you show commitment.

Which is exactly what US President Joe Biden is doing.
He even went so far as to tell the American people we have
a sacred duty to do so.

But Biden's showing that he's a pushover with lame sanctions
that are meaningless to the man who owns half of the world.

Russia is a giant gas station owned by a megalomaniac. What do
you think will happen when that megalomaniac learns he has nobody
willing to buy what he has for sale? Who is going to pay his
soldiers to fight wars for him? You cannot expect them to give
up their lives for free ...

Putin's got everything he needs right there at home.

The Russian economy is in tatters. And getting worse as time
goes on. Over ten million Russians have left Russia for greener
pastures over the last ten years. Mostly young women of child
bearing age. What do you think will happen to Russia when there
are no more women young enough to bear children around?

And now he's gonna have ocean frontage on the Black Sea.

Occupied Ukrainian territory illegally annexed by Russia is what
you are calling his "frontage on the Black Sea". For your information,
that land still belongs to Ukraine. As well as the other two regions
of Ukraine that Putin declared as being his own.

But I wonder why Putin didn't give it a try while Trump was
president? Could it be because Trump shows commitment?

Neville Chamberlain showed commitment - to Adolf Hitler.
Donald Trump showed commitment - to Vladimir Putin.

It's no wonder why Putin admitted he should have done what he did
sooner, as the new sheriff in town refuses to play his game.

"Hmm, that excessively COMMITED president of the USA will respond strongly if we invade now. Let's wait for white Obama."

Vladimir Putin has met his worst nightmare. A US President
who refuses to play his game. Way to go, Joe! Keep it up!

--Lee

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Neville Chamberlain showed commitment - to Adolf Hitler.
Donald Trump showed commitment - to Vladimir Putin.

Adolf blamed everything on the Jews.
Donald blamed everything on the Muslims.
And then there's MTG with the Jews again...

As long as you claim to be Christian, you should be OK.


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As long as you claim to be Christian, you should be OK.

Well, actually, in Germany you should be OK. In the US you have to rip out the Christian part of the Bible and stay with the Jewish part.

Christ, as those of us who have actually read the New Testament know, was socialist, even more extremely so than even Karl Marx. If you try to follow his teachings, you'll be even worse than a Muslim, you'll be a Leftist.



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Hello Bj”rn,

As long as you claim to be Christian, you should be OK.

Well, actually, in Germany you should be OK. In the US you have to rip out the Christian part of the Bible and stay with the Jewish part.

Christ, as those of us who have actually read the New Testament know, was socialist, even more extremely so than even Karl Marx. If you try to follow
his teachings, you'll be even worse than a Muslim, you'll be a Leftist.

OMG! I hear squawking in the corner! Save me! Save me!

--Lee

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Hello Bj”rn,

Neville Chamberlain showed commitment - to Adolf Hitler.
Donald Trump showed commitment - to Vladimir Putin.

Adolf blamed everything on the Jews.
Donald blamed everything on the Muslims.
And then there's MTG with the Jews again...

Those darned pesky Jews! Blame it on Soros, the devil himself!

As long as you claim to be Christian, you should be OK.

Charles Lindbergh claimed to be Christian.

Like Trump, he also had visions of grandeur. And had
astronomical support from evangelical Christians.

--Lee

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Hello Ron,

[..]

If the the world has problem with the Ukraine situation, that's a U.N. problem, not a U.S. problem.

Putin has nukes. And your city is a target.

--Lee

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On 28 Feb 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

If the the world has problem with the Ukraine situation, that's a U.N problem, not a U.S. problem.

Putin has nukes. And your city is a target.

Nevermind that the US is part of the UN.

Jeff.

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If the the world has problem with the Ukraine situation, that's a U.N problem, not a U.S. problem.

Putin has nukes. And your city is a target.

You don't even know where the man lives!

I fully agree, this is a global problem, not a U.N.-only one. But I don't
agree with the fear-mongering.

McDoob
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On 28 Feb 2022, Shaun Buzza said the following...

Putin has nukes. And your city is a target.

You don't even know where the man lives!

You're pretty new around here to be assuming such things.

Jeff.

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Putin has nukes. And your city is a target.

You don't even know where the man lives!

You're pretty new around here to be assuming such things.

And you're pretty ancient around here to be assuming what I am assuming.
What's your point, troll? t(-_-t)

McDoob
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On 28 Feb 2022, Shaun Buzza said the following...

Putin has nukes. And your city is a target.

You don't even know where the man lives!

You're pretty new around here to be assuming such things.

And you're pretty ancient around here to be assuming what I am assuming. What's your point, troll? t(-_-t)

It's entirely possible that Ron disclosed his location to Lee and/or others without you (or I, for that matter) knowing about it. And yet, despite this, you somehow assumed that Lee doesn't know where Ron lives.

Accusing Lee of not knowing while not knowing that he doesn't know was a
pretty trollish move, don't you think?

Jeff.

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Putin has nukes. And your city is a target.

You don't even know where the man lives!

You're pretty new around here to be assuming such things.

And you're pretty ancient around here to be assuming what I am assumi What's your point, troll? t(-_-t)

It's entirely possible that Ron disclosed his location to Lee and/or others without you (or I, for that matter) knowing about it. And yet, despite this, you somehow assumed that Lee doesn't know where Ron lives.

Accusing Lee of not knowing while not knowing that he doesn't know was a pretty trollish move, don't you think?

No. Choosing this issue to argue is a very trollish move, in my opinion. But,
I must bow to the master. Tell me, troll, what is trolling? t(o_Ot)

McDoob
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On 28 Feb 2022, Shaun Buzza said the following...

Accusing Lee of not knowing while not knowing that he doesn't know wa pretty trollish move, don't you think?

No. Choosing this issue to argue is a very trollish move, in my opinion. But, I must bow to the master. Tell me, troll, what is trolling? t(o_Ot)

I'm not arguing with you; I'm telling you. I'm correcting misinformation.
What are you doing?

Jeff.

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Putin has nukes. And your city is a target.

You don't even know where the man lives!

You're pretty new around here to be assuming such things.

And you're pretty ancient around here to be assuming what I am assuming. What's your point, troll? t(-_-t)

Ron has, in past, told us what state he lives in. He may have told the
city but I don't remember for sure.


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If the the world has problem with the Ukraine situation, that's problem, not a U.S. problem.

Putin has nukes. And your city is a target.

I fully agree, this is a global problem, not a U.N.-only one. But I don't agree with the fear-mongering.

That's what I was doing, troll.

You only objected to one sentence:

You don't even know where the man lives!

Ironically, I'm beginning to wonder if you're actually Lee, right now...
(o_-)

McDoob
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Ron has, in past, told us what state he lives in. He may have told the city but I don't remember for sure.

I was not aware of this. However, I still stand by what I said:

This isn't just a U.N. issue! It's the first step toward WW3!

McDoob
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On 28 Feb 2022, Shaun Buzza said the following...

You only objected to one sentence:

You don't even know where the man lives!

Ironically, I'm beginning to wonder if you're actually Lee, right now... (o_-)

Could be, could be. Or, since you're so certain of what Lee knows and doesn't know, perhaps *you're* Lee!

Or maybe we're all just figments of Lee's imagination.

Jeff.

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On 28 Feb 2022, Shaun Buzza said the following...

Ron has, in past, told us what state he lives in. He may have told t city but I don't remember for sure.

I was not aware of this. However, I still stand by what I said:

This isn't just a U.N. issue! It's the first step toward WW3!

Didn't you also say that you didn't agree with the fearmongering?

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

If the the world has problem with the Ukraine situation, that's

a U.N

problem, not a U.S. problem.

Putin has nukes. And your city is a target.

Nevermind that the US is part of the UN.

Some folks want to take the UN out of the US.

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Hello Shaun,

If the the world has problem with the Ukraine situation, that's

a U.N

problem, not a U.S. problem.

Putin has nukes. And your city is a target.

You don't even know where the man lives!

I fully agree, this is a global problem, not a U.N.-only one. But I don't agree with the fear-mongering.

We are talking about a deeply paranoid megalomaniac who is hellbent
on starting WWIII. That is reason to be afraid. Very afraid.

--Lee

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Ironically, I'm beginning to wonder if you're actually Lee, right now (o_-)

Could be, could be. Or, since you're so certain of what Lee knows and doesn't know, perhaps *you're* Lee!

For the record, I am definitely *not* Lee! \(@_@)/

Or maybe we're all just figments of Lee's imagination.

I neither confirm nor deny. (o_-)

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This isn't just a U.N. issue! It's the first step toward WW3!

Didn't you also say that you didn't agree with the fearmongering?

I've also said I was pro-choice, and yet personally anti-abortion. It is possible to be of two minds on a single decision. Again I ask, what's your point?

Don't start again. This is not the fight you're looking for...*waves hand in
a Jedi way*

Enjoy your night!

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On 28 Feb 2022, Shaun Buzza said the following...

This isn't just a U.N. issue! It's the first step toward WW3!

Didn't you also say that you didn't agree with the fearmongering?

I've also said I was pro-choice, and yet personally anti-abortion. It is possible to be of two minds on a single decision. Again I ask, what's
your point?

So you disagree with fearmongering, unless it's you doing it? That's an interesting double standard.

My point is that your opinions lack internal consistency. That's a sign of an unhealthy mind.

Don't start again. This is not the fight you're looking for...*waves
hand in a Jedi way*

Again, I'm not arguing; I'm just making observations. By all means, keep
going.

Jeff.

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Shaun Buzza wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

Could be, could be. Or, since you're so certain of what Lee knows and doesn't know, perhaps *you're* Lee!

For the record, I am definitely *not* Lee! \(@_@)/

We haven't seen any drivel by Lee in a while now. But I noticed that the leftie Dream Master has showed back up again. So those two are probably the same people.


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Hello Jeff,

You only objected to one sentence:

You don't even know where the man lives!

Ironically, I'm beginning to wonder if you're actually Lee, right

now...

(o_-)

Could be, could be. Or, since you're so certain of what Lee knows and doesn't know, perhaps *you're* Lee!

Be careful ...

Or maybe we're all just figments of Lee's imagination.

My truth and your truth have no necessary relevance to each other.
Because truth is subjective, it can play a much more unique and
decisive role in giving life meaning.

Therefore, I am utterly free to choose my truths, whatever those
truths may be, and in doing so, I shape my own life.

Without subjective truth, there can be no self-determination.

What this all means is that I exist only because I choose to exist.
And others exist only because I choose them to exist.

After all, this is my fantasy. Not yours/theirs.

--Lee

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Hello Shaun,

Ironically, I'm beginning to wonder if you're actually Lee,

right now

(o_-)

Could be, could be. Or, since you're so certain of what Lee knows and
doesn't know, perhaps *you're* Lee!

For the record, I am definitely *not* Lee! \(@_@)/

How do you know? First, start with the `truth' you want to believe.
And then work backwards to find supporting evidence.

That is what Socrates told us to do.

"Know thyself."

We all know what happened to him.

Or maybe we're all just figments of Lee's imagination.

I neither confirm nor deny. (o_-)

Well, it is true the most essential truth, the truth by which
we all live our lives, is intensely personal, private. We might
call this `Truth', with a capital T. Even though each of us
lives our life by Truth.

So who am I? And who are you?

If Truth and Reality are so intimately connected, to what degree
do we have access to reality, and what do we use to access that
reality and come to truth?

You really do have to learn to be honest with yourself.

There has been a very unhealthy relationship between us and
reality/truth.

So whose truth should I believe?
Whose truth should anybody believe?
Shall I believe and obey the Torah?
Shall I believe and obey the New Testament?
Shall I believe and obey the Quran?
Shall I believe and obey the Bhagavad Gata?
Shall I believe and obey the Zend Avesta?
Shall I believe and obey the Dhammapada?
Or none of the above?
Shall I find my own Truth in my own way?

Maybe that's the ticket.

Total anarchy. We should all find our own Truth. In our own Way.

Oh what heresy! Off with my head! Bring on the guillotine!

--Lee

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Hello Shaun,

This isn't just a U.N. issue! It's the first step toward WW3!

Didn't you also say that you didn't agree with the fearmongering?

I've also said I was pro-choice, and yet personally anti-abortion.

You can't have it both ways. Either you are, or you are not,
pro-life. One cannot be pro-choice if one is pro-life, as that
in and of itself is a contradiction. Just as bad is to say one
is pro-life while at the same time claiming to be in favor of
the death penalty.

Being pro-life and anti-life is a contradiction in terms, no
matter how you cut it. Claiming to have it both ways makes you
an absolute and total hypocrite.

It is possible to be of two minds on a single decision.

The only two-headed monsters exist on Saturday nights on Svengolee.

Again I ask, what's your point?

Already made. In spades.

--Lee

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I've also said I was pro-choice, and yet personally anti-abortion.

You can't have it both ways. Either you are, or you are not,
pro-life. One cannot be pro-choice if one is pro-life, as that
in and of itself is a contradiction. Just as bad is to say one
is pro-life while at the same time claiming to be in favor of
the death penalty.

No, that's not the case. I believe that any individual has the right to
choose for themself how they feel about it. Literally, "pro-choice". I choose to be pro-life, personally, but that doesn't mean I think *no one* should
have abortions. How someone else chooses is up to them.

Being pro-life and anti-life is a contradiction in terms, no
matter how you cut it. Claiming to have it both ways makes you
an absolute and total hypocrite.

I never claimed such a thing. (o_O)

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Ron has, in past, told us what state he lives in. He may have told the city but I don't remember for sure.

I was not aware of this. However, I still stand by what I said:

This isn't just a U.N. issue! It's the first step toward WW3!

I am afraid you could be correct. :(


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I fully agree, this is a global problem, not a U.N.-only one. But I don't
agree with the fear-mongering.

That's what I was doing, troll.

Remember, let the moderator decide who the trolls are. :)

Mike


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On 28 Feb 2022, Shaun Buzza said the following...

You only objected to one sentence:

You don't even know where the man lives!

Ironically, I'm beginning to wonder if you're actually Lee, right now... (o_-)

Could be, could be. Or, since you're so certain of what Lee knows and doesn't know, perhaps *you're* Lee!

Or maybe we're all just figments of Lee's imagination.

Oh dear, glad that is not the case here.


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I was not aware of this. However, I still stand by what I said:

This isn't just a U.N. issue! It's the first step toward WW3!

Didn't you also say that you didn't agree with the fearmongering?

I missed the original message. I think it is human to be concerned about
what is going on, but stirring up fear unnecessarily is not productive.


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Could be, could be. Or, since you're so certain of what Lee knows and doesn't know, perhaps *you're* Lee!

For the record, I am definitely *not* Lee! \(@_@)/

We haven't seen any drivel by Lee in a while now. But I noticed that the leftie Dream Master has showed back up again. So those two are probably the same people.

I don't think so. DM seems to know when to stop beating a dead horse to
death, and doesn't resort to cursing someone when he doesn't manage to
prove them wrong.


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This isn't just a U.N. issue! It's the first step toward WW3!

Didn't you also say that you didn't agree with the fearmongering?

I've also said I was pro-choice, and yet personally anti-abortion. It is possible to be of two minds on a single decision. Again I ask, what's your point?

So you disagree with fearmongering, unless it's you doing it? That's an interesting double standard.

My point is that your opinions lack internal consistency. That's a sign of an unhealthy mind.

I don't think his stance on abortion is inconsistent. I am pro-choice but would have difficulty with someone aborting a child I thought was mine. I *think* that is what he meant.

The other one... disagree with fearmongering but doing it... I again must
have missed that but such actions would certainly be inconsistent.


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On 03-01-22 21:00, Lee Lofaso <=-
spoke to Shaun Buzza about All talk no action <=-

Didn't you also say that you didn't agree with the fearmongering?

I've also said I was pro-choice, and yet personally anti-abortion.

I have a different take on what he said. If I am wrong, then he will
correct me. The way I read his sentence is that he is pro-choice for
other people, but is against abortion as a personal matter. I see no contradiction in that. One is a policy decision for the rest of the
public, the other is a personal decision for himself.

You can't have it both ways. Either you are, or you are not,
pro-life. One cannot be pro-choice if one is pro-life, as that
in and of itself is a contradiction. Just as bad is to say one
is pro-life while at the same time claiming to be in favor of
the death penalty.

And -- if that is what he meant, then both you and Jeff are wrong.

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Hello Shaun,

I've also said I was pro-choice, and yet personally

anti-abortion.

You can't have it both ways. Either you are, or you are not,
pro-life. One cannot be pro-choice if one is pro-life, as that
in and of itself is a contradiction. Just as bad is to say one
is pro-life while at the same time claiming to be in favor of
the death penalty.

No, that's not the case.

Yes, it is. Being pro-life means from the moment of conception
to the moment of natural death.

I believe that any individual has the right to choose for themself
how they feel about it.

Suicide is not a legal act, but folks do it anyway. Not that any
entity would actually prosecute them if they succeed.

Literally, "pro-choice".

Murdering an unborn child is a choice.
Murdering a child who has been born is a choice.
Murdering an adult is a choice.

None of those choices are pro-life.

I choose to be pro-life, personally,

You have contradicted yourself by stating otherwise.

but that doesn't mean I think *no one* should have abortions.

That makes you pro-death.

How someone else chooses is up to them.

Right. Hitler was your kind of guy. Murdered 11 million people,
including 6 million Jews. Along with another 50 million people in
a massive world war.

How many unborn children have been murdered since Hitler's time?

Being pro-life and anti-life is a contradiction in terms, no
matter how you cut it. Claiming to have it both ways makes you
an absolute and total hypocrite.

I never claimed such a thing. (o_O)

Yes, you did. And you continue to claim the same nonsense.

--Lee

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I've also said I was pro-choice, and yet personally anti-abortion. possible to be of two minds on a single decision. Again I ask, what your point?

My point is that your opinions lack internal consistency. That's a sign unhealthy mind.

I don't think his stance on abortion is inconsistent. I am pro-choice
but would have difficulty with someone aborting a child I thought was mine. I *think* that is what he meant.

Yes, more or less, that's what I meant.

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I've also said I was pro-choice, and yet personally anti-abortion.

I have a different take on what he said. If I am wrong, then he will correct me. The way I read his sentence is that he is pro-choice for other people, but is against abortion as a personal matter. I see no contradiction in that. One is a policy decision for the rest of the public, the other is a personal decision for himself.

No corrections are required. This is exactly what I meant.

You can't have it both ways. Either you are, or you are not, pro-life. One cannot be pro-choice if one is pro-life, as that
in and of itself is a contradiction. Just as bad is to say one
is pro-life while at the same time claiming to be in favor of
the death penalty.

And -- if that is what he meant, then both you and Jeff are wrong.

(^_^)

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I've also said I was pro-choice, and yet personally

anti-abortion.

You can't have it both ways. Either you are, or you are not,
pro-life. One cannot be pro-choice if one is pro-life, as that
in and of itself is a contradiction. Just as bad is to say one
is pro-life while at the same time claiming to be in favor of
the death penalty.

No, that's not the case.

Yes, it is. Being pro-life means from the moment of conception
to the moment of natural death.

I believe that any individual has the right to choose for themself how they feel about it.

Suicide is not a legal act, but folks do it anyway. Not that any
entity would actually prosecute them if they succeed.

It would be hilarious to watch the results if they tried. 'For killing yourself, I now give you the death penalty!' (o_O)

Literally, "pro-choice".

Murdering an unborn child is a choice.
Murdering a child who has been born is a choice.
Murdering an adult is a choice.

None of those choices are pro-life.

I choose to be pro-life, personally,

You have contradicted yourself by stating otherwise.

but that doesn't mean I think *no one* should have abortions.

That makes you pro-death.

How someone else chooses is up to them.

Right. Hitler was your kind of guy. Murdered 11 million people,
including 6 million Jews. Along with another 50 million people in
a massive world war.

How many unborn children have been murdered since Hitler's time?

And we've reached Godwin status. You have just invalidated your entire post.

Being pro-life and anti-life is a contradiction in terms, no
matter how you cut it. Claiming to have it both ways makes you
an absolute and total hypocrite.

I never claimed such a thing. (o_O)

Yes, you did. And you continue to claim the same nonsense.

No, I haven't, and continue not to. I am *PRO-CHOICE*, with a personal choice of pro-life. I'm sorry if you cannot understand this concept, but that's your problem, not mine.

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I have a different take on what he said. If I am wrong, then he will correct me. The way I read his sentence is that he is pro-choice for
other people, but is against abortion as a personal matter. I see no contradiction in that. One is a policy decision for the rest of the public, the other is a personal decision for himself.

Another way to look at it, for me anyway, is that I don't feel like I have
a right to make that particular decision for others. So, public policy
wise, I am pro-choice.

You can't have it both ways. Either you are, or you are not, pro-life. One cannot be pro-choice if one is pro-life, as that
in and of itself is a contradiction. Just as bad is to say one
is pro-life while at the same time claiming to be in favor of
the death penalty.

And -- if that is what he meant, then both you and Jeff are wrong.

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Hello Shaun,

[..]

Being pro-life and anti-life is a contradiction in terms, no
matter how you cut it. Claiming to have it both ways makes you
an absolute and total hypocrite.

I never claimed such a thing. (o_O)

Yes, you did. And you continue to claim the same nonsense.

No, I haven't, and continue not to. I am *PRO-CHOICE*, with a personal choice of pro-life.

The definition of pro-life is from the moment of conception to the
moment of natural death. Anything other than that is pro-death.

I'm sorry if you cannot understand this concept, but that's your
problem, not mine.

It is a very simple concept.
Pro-life and pro-death are polar opposites.
Claiming you can have it both ways is total nonsense.

--Lee

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Hello Shaun,

I've also said I was pro-choice, and yet personally

anti-abortion.

You can't have it both ways. Either you are, or you are not,
pro-life. One cannot be pro-choice if one is pro-life, as that
in and of itself is a contradiction. Just as bad is to say one
is pro-life while at the same time claiming to be in favor of
the death penalty.

No, that's not the case.

Yes, it is. Being pro-life means from the moment of conception
to the moment of natural death.

I believe that any individual has the right to choose for

themself

how they feel about it.

Suicide is not a legal act, but folks do it anyway. Not that any
entity would actually prosecute them if they succeed.

It would be hilarious to watch the results if they tried. 'For killing yourself, I now give you the death penalty!' (o_O)

That reminds me of a movie starring Burt Reynolds and Dom Deloise.

Literally, "pro-choice".

Murdering an unborn child is a choice.
Murdering a child who has been born is a choice.
Murdering an adult is a choice.

None of those choices are pro-life.

I choose to be pro-life, personally,

You have contradicted yourself by stating otherwise.

but that doesn't mean I think *no one* should have abortions.

That makes you pro-death.

How someone else chooses is up to them.

Right. Hitler was your kind of guy. Murdered 11 million people,
including 6 million Jews. Along with another 50 million people in
a massive world war.

How many unborn children have been murdered since Hitler's time?

And we've reached Godwin status. You have just invalidated your entire post.

Putin has not yet reached the same level as Hitler.
But is getting close.

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Hello Mike,

I have a different take on what he said. If I am wrong, then he will
correct me. The way I read his sentence is that he is pro-choice for
other people, but is against abortion as a personal matter. I see no
contradiction in that. One is a policy decision for the rest of the
public, the other is a personal decision for himself.

Another way to look at it, for me anyway, is that I don't feel like I have a right to make that particular decision for others. So, public policy wise, I am pro-choice.

Then you are pro-death.
Just like Joe Biden.
Thanks for clarifying that point.

--Lee

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Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

Another way to look at it, for me anyway, is that I don't feel like I
have a right to make that particular decision for others. So, public policy wise, I am pro-choice.

I think most people feel the same way. That's why the "pro-choice" stuff was accepte so readily.

But the Left then uses "pro-choice" to say that abortion is a "right" and that everyone has to fund it.


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Then you are pro-death.
Just like Joe Biden.
Thanks for clarifying that point.

Really? Is that what your country is worried about in this time of war?

Now that the future of democracy is challenged all over the world in Ukraine?

Ah yes, of course the GOP care shit about stuff like democracy, all they care about is maintaining their own part of the illegal profits they have managed to scrape up during their -- whatchamanycallit.

Hallelujah, the US dream in a nutshell.



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Being pro-life and anti-life is a contradiction in terms, no
matter how you cut it. Claiming to have it both ways makes you
an absolute and total hypocrite.

I never claimed such a thing. (o_O)

Yes, you did. And you continue to claim the same nonsense.

No, I haven't, and continue not to. I am *PRO-CHOICE*, with a persona choice of pro-life.

The definition of pro-life is from the moment of conception to the
moment of natural death. Anything other than that is pro-death.

It must be difficult going through life seeing only black and white, when the world consists primarily of shades of grey. It might help to be a little more open-minded.

I'm sorry if you cannot understand this concept, but that's your problem, not mine.

It is a very simple concept.
Pro-life and pro-death are polar opposites.
Claiming you can have it both ways is total nonsense.

Once again, I've never claimed that. I am not "pro-death", which is a deliberately misleading term, by the way. I am pro-choice. Let each person choose for themself. It is not my place to tell anyone else what they can or cannot do. And certainly not my place to pass judgement if anyone disagrees with my personal choices.

Claiming that one is either pro-life or "pro-death", ignoring the very
concept of pro-choice, is very simply total nonsense.

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Hello Bj”rn,

Then you are pro-death.
Just like Joe Biden.
Thanks for clarifying that point.

Really? Is that what your country is worried about in this time of war?

Why not? What else is there to do? We have plenty of spitballs.
And need somebody to throw them at.

Now that the future of democracy is challenged all over the world in Ukraine?

We have our giant television sets. And streaming every kind of show
one can imagine. So what's up with that comedian from Ukraine? Has a
new season started? Did I miss any episodes?

Ah yes, of course the GOP care shit about stuff like democracy, all they care about is maintaining their own part of the illegal profits they have managed to scrape up during their -- whatchamanycallit.

With the GOP it's always the same old story. We need new gags ...

Hallelujah, the US dream in a nutshell.

There's always Rocky and Bullwinkle. Along with Boris and Natasha.
I have the entire series. Watching reruns of the originals live on
television is so much fun. Only the names have changed ...

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Hello Shaun,

[..]

The definition of pro-life is from the moment of conception to the
moment of natural death. Anything other than that is pro-death.

It must be difficult going through life seeing only black and white, when the world consists primarily of shades of grey. It might help to be a little more open-minded.

The definition of pro-life is what it is. There are no shades of gray
as the meaning is quite clear. Making it out to be whatever you want it
to be does not change the reality of what it is.

I'm sorry if you cannot understand this concept, but that's your
problem, not mine.

It is a very simple concept.
Pro-life and pro-death are polar opposites.
Claiming you can have it both ways is total nonsense.

Once again, I've never claimed that.

Claiming to be both "pro-life" and "pro-choice" is a contradiction
in terms. It is like claiming to believe in "life" and "death" in the
same sentence.

We all know that death comes to us all. But death should never
come to anyone before his/her own time. As such, those who claim
to be "pro-choice" are actually saying premeditated murder is
fine with them. Which is very much a "pro-death" POV.

I am not "pro-death", which is a deliberately misleading term, by the way.

Making the choice to kill someone (or an unborn child) is "pro-death"
no matter how you cut it. Approving those who make that choice is also "pro-choice".

I am pro-choice.

Pro-death is more accurate and to the point.

Let each person choose for themself.

Thou shalt not murder is a commandment. Not that murderers bother
to listen. Do you honestly believe Vladimir Putin gives a damn about
all those innocent people he is sending to their deaths? Not just
those innocent souls in Ukraine, but also those innocent souls in
Russia who have no choice but to do as he says. What a monster he
is. Nobody likes him. Except for Donald Trump. And he's kooks.

It is not my place to tell anyone else what they can or cannot do.

So it is okay with you that Vladimir Putin can make war on the entire
world, and kill as many people on this planet as possible?

And certainly not my place to pass judgement if anyone disagrees
with my personal choices.

It is everybody's business to pass judgement on those who kill.
Especially those who kill innocent people, including the unborn.

Claiming that one is either pro-life or "pro-death", ignoring the very concept of pro-choice, is very simply total nonsense.

The concept of pro-choice is to kill. Actually, to murder.
In cold blood. Innocent unborn children. Very much pro-death.

--Lee

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It must be difficult going through life seeing only black and white, the world consists primarily of shades of grey. It might help to be a little more open-minded.

The definition of pro-life is what it is. There are no shades of gray
as the meaning is quite clear. Making it out to be whatever you want it
to be does not change the reality of what it is.

The definition of pro-life isn't an issue. Your interpretation of pro-choice is.

I'm sorry if you cannot understand this concept, but that's your
problem, not mine.

It is a very simple concept.
Pro-life and pro-death are polar opposites.
Claiming you can have it both ways is total nonsense.

Once again, I've never claimed that.

Claiming to be both "pro-life" and "pro-choice" is a contradiction
in terms. It is like claiming to believe in "life" and "death" in the
same sentence.

I do claim to believe in both life and death. I am alive, therefore I believe in life. I will die, therefore I believe in death. (o_O)

We all know that death comes to us all. But death should never
come to anyone before his/her own time. As such, those who claim
to be "pro-choice" are actually saying premeditated murder is
fine with them. Which is very much a "pro-death" POV.

No, but nice strawman. All pro-choice means is exactly what it says: I believe in letting others make their own choices.

I am not "pro-death", which is a deliberately misleading term, by the

Making the choice to kill someone (or an unborn child) is "pro-death"
no matter how you cut it. Approving those who make that choice is also "pro-choice".

That's their personal choice, then. My personal choice is to not.

I am pro-choice.

Pro-death is more accurate and to the point.

No, it isn't. It is both inaccurate, and completely missing the point.

Let each person choose for themself.

Thou shalt not murder is a commandment. Not that murderers bother
to listen. Do you honestly believe Vladimir Putin gives a damn about
all those innocent people he is sending to their deaths? Not just
those innocent souls in Ukraine, but also those innocent souls in
Russia who have no choice but to do as he says. What a monster he
is. Nobody likes him. Except for Donald Trump. And he's kooks.

Wow. Just...wow... (o_O)

It is not my place to tell anyone else what they can or cannot do.

So it is okay with you that Vladimir Putin can make war on the entire world, and kill as many people on this planet as possible?

No, I don't think this is okay. Only a fool would think my words suggest anything like that.

And certainly not my place to pass judgement if anyone disagrees
with my personal choices.

It is everybody's business to pass judgement on those who kill.
Especially those who kill innocent people, including the unborn.

Are you suggesting that everyone should go vigilante? Mob justice? (o_O)

It is a judge's business to pass judgement on those who break the law; it's literally in the job name. It is the police's business to enforce the same laws. It isn't mine, and unless you wear a pretty specific uniform to work, it's not yours, either.

Beyond that, there's always the 'ultimate judge' at the end of days. Let Him decide who is and is not "pro-death".

Claiming that one is either pro-life or "pro-death", ignoring the ver concept of pro-choice, is very simply total nonsense.

The concept of pro-choice is to kill. Actually, to murder.
In cold blood. Innocent unborn children. Very much pro-death.

That logic is broken. You're literally saying that anyone who is pro-choice
has (themself) murdered "innocent unborn children" in cold blood. I certainly haven't, and I am pretty certain nobody I know has, either. And they're all pro-choice, too.

I mean, there is that yearly ritual, where all us pro-choicers get together
and sacrifice our first-born's to the Goat...but that's it, I *swear*! (O_O) (Sarcasm, in case that wasn't obvious...)

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I mean, there is that yearly ritual, where all us pro-choicers get together
and sacrifice our first-born's to the Goat...but that's it, I *swear*! (O_O)
(Sarcasm, in case that wasn't obvious...)

I am not sure what any of you are talking about. I live in Sweden, and to me any talk about having politicians making laws about what our wonderful women can make their own decisions about is so alien to me I can't even imagine what y'all are talking about.

I guess it's one of those socialist Lefties things.

Oh, BTW, over here in the scientific world, the heart of a human embryo does not start to be more than a handful of cells after more than those weeks that the Texas experts think that life begins with. It takes about three months before you can even detect the first heartbeat.

But why leave scientifics out, when you can create a wonderful of Evangelical hype (that'll give you a lot of votes from stupid, gullible people)?

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Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

Another way to look at it, for me anyway, is that I don't feel like I
have a right to make that particular decision for others. So, public policy wise, I am pro-choice.

I think most people feel the same way. That's why the "pro-choice"
stuff was accepte so readily.

But the Left then uses "pro-choice" to say that abortion is a "right"
and that everyone has to fund it.

Except that no federal funds are funding abortions.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Bj”rn,

[..]

Oh, BTW, over here in the scientific world, the heart of a human embryo does
not start to be more than a handful of cells after more than those weeks that the Texas experts think that life begins with. It takes about three months before you can even detect the first heartbeat.

Life begins at the moment of conception. Without life, no heartbeat
can ever begin ...

But why leave scientifics out, when you can create a wonderful of Evangelical hype (that'll give you a lot of votes from stupid, gullible people)?

Even with Mike Pence on the ticket was not enough for Trump to win
a majority of the popular vote in either election.

--Lee

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Hello Shaun,

It must be difficult going through life seeing only black and

white,

the world consists primarily of shades of grey. It might help to

be a

little more open-minded.

The definition of pro-life is what it is. There are no shades of gray
as the meaning is quite clear. Making it out to be whatever you want

it

to be does not change the reality of what it is.

The definition of pro-life isn't an issue. Your interpretation of pro-choice
is.

Choosing to kill an unborn child is a deadly choice.

I'm sorry if you cannot understand this concept, but that's

your

problem, not mine.

It is a very simple concept.
Pro-life and pro-death are polar opposites.
Claiming you can have it both ways is total nonsense.

Once again, I've never claimed that.

Claiming to be both "pro-life" and "pro-choice" is a contradiction
in terms. It is like claiming to believe in "life" and "death" in the
same sentence.

I do claim to believe in both life and death. I am alive, therefore I believe in life. I will die, therefore I believe in death. (o_O)

Freddie Mercury (and Queen) said it so much better than anybody else
ever could - Who wants to live forever?

We all know that death comes to us all. But death should never
come to anyone before his/her own time. As such, those who claim
to be "pro-choice" are actually saying premeditated murder is
fine with them. Which is very much a "pro-death" POV.

No, but nice strawman.

To paraphrase Josef Stalin, making war on a single individual is a
tragedy. But making war on an entire people is just a statistic.
What modern society has done is to make war on an entire people of
unborn children.

All pro-choice means is exactly what it says: I believe in letting others make their own choices.

Josef Stalin chose to starve Ukrainians to death by famine.
Vladimir Putin chose a more direct and quicker route by war.
In both cases, the result was/is the same.

What you are saying is that nobody should do anything to stop
others from killing people, including unborn children.

Even though you are not committing the acts, you are supporting
those who make the decision to do so. That is a very "pro-death"
point of view.

I am not "pro-death", which is a deliberately misleading term,

by the

Making the choice to kill someone (or an unborn child) is "pro-death"
no matter how you cut it. Approving those who make that choice is

also

"pro-choice".

That's their personal choice, then. My personal choice is to not.

Doing nothing to stop others from committing evil acts is giving
tacit approval to what they do. Whether it is making war on a people,
or murdering unborn children, it all amounts to the same thing.

I am pro-choice.

Pro-death is more accurate and to the point.

No, it isn't. It is both inaccurate, and completely missing the point.

Abortion is a "grave sin" according to the RCC. And also according
to those who are non-Catholic. As well as those who are non-Christian.
And even those who are non-religious. What do you think guides their conscience? Could it be that all those peoples believe murder is evil?

Let each person choose for themself.

Thou shalt not murder is a commandment. Not that murderers bother
to listen. Do you honestly believe Vladimir Putin gives a damn about
all those innocent people he is sending to their deaths? Not just
those innocent souls in Ukraine, but also those innocent souls in
Russia who have no choice but to do as he says. What a monster he
is. Nobody likes him. Except for Donald Trump. And he's kooks.

Wow. Just...wow... (o_O)

Well, to be honest, both Putin and Trump are kooks.

It is not my place to tell anyone else what they can or cannot do.

So it is okay with you that Vladimir Putin can make war on the entire
world, and kill as many people on this planet as possible?

No, I don't think this is okay.

Why not? Putin thinks it is okay. So do most Russians.

Only a fool would think my words suggest anything like that.

What difference does it make if the victim of murder is an adult
or an unborn child? Murder is murder. When infants are murdered it
is called infanticide. But when unborn children are murdered by an
entire society it should be called genocide. And that is what we
have today. Legalised genocide.

But hey. You are fine with that. Let society continue murdering
it's own unborn children. After all, it is society that makes that
choice, not you. Even though you are a member of that society.

And certainly not my place to pass judgement if anyone disagrees
with my personal choices.

It is everybody's business to pass judgement on those who kill.
Especially those who kill innocent people, including the unborn.

Are you suggesting that everyone should go vigilante? Mob justice? (o_O)

Yes. Most absolutely yes.

It is a judge's business to pass judgement on those who break the law; it's
literally in the job name. It is the police's business to enforce the same laws. It isn't mine, and unless you wear a pretty specific uniform to work,
it's not yours, either.

It is our own duty and obligation to pass judgement on others. That is
our nature, and what we are called to do. When society has gone bad, we
must remind them of what is right and what is wrong. Otherwise, there
can be no right or wrong, for anybody. It would be an "anything goes"
society. A world gone mad.

Beyond that, there's always the 'ultimate judge' at the end of days. Let Him
decide who is and is not "pro-death".

You do not even know the Lord's Prayer, much less understand it.
The very words of that prayer call us to judgement, calling for us
to judge others as we see fit.

"Forgive us our trespasses *as we forgive those* who trespass
against us" is not just a suggestion. We are asking Big Guy in
the Sky to render judgement upon us in the same way as we have
judged others.

Claiming that one is either pro-life or "pro-death", ignoring the ver
concept of pro-choice, is very simply total nonsense.

The concept of pro-choice is to kill. Actually, to murder.
In cold blood. Innocent unborn children. Very much pro-death.

That logic is broken.

In what way?

You're literally saying that anyone who is pro-choice has (themself) murdered "innocent unborn children" in cold blood.

That's right.

I certainly haven't,

Doing nothing is giving tacit approval for what they did, or doing.

and I am pretty certain nobody I know has, either.

Everybody who call themselves "pro-choice" is pro-death.

And they're all pro-choice, too.

Some folks change their mind, in which case they become "pro-life".

I mean, there is that yearly ritual, where all us pro-choicers get together
and sacrifice our first-born's to the Goat...but that's it, I *swear*! (O_O)
(Sarcasm, in case that wasn't obvious...)

Abraham tried to offer his first-born son to the Goat, but Big Guy in
the Sky told him to choose a lamb instead. And then came the Red Heifer
which can no longer be found anywhere in Israel ...

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Hello Dale,

Another way to look at it, for me anyway, is that I don't feel like I
have a right to make that particular decision for others. So, public
policy wise, I am pro-choice.

I think most people feel the same way. That's why the "pro-choice"
stuff was accepte so readily.

But the Left then uses "pro-choice" to say that abortion is a "right"
and that everyone has to fund it.

Except that no federal funds are funding abortions.

Thanks to the Hyde Amendment. Which Biden was for, before he
was against it. But thanks to Joe Manchin, it was saved! Thank
you, Joe! Thank you! Unborn children live! Hooray!

--Lee

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that the Texas experts think that life begins with. It takes about three
months before you can even detect the first heartbeat.

Life begins at the moment of conception. Without life, no heartbeat
can ever begin ...

Real human life begins when the naval cord is cut. Until then it's just an integral part of the mother. Will you not allow the mother to kill e.g. a cluster of cancer cells? Is that murder too? After all, they *are* very much alive...



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But the Left then uses "pro-choice" to say that abortion is a "right" and that everyone has to fund it.

Except that no federal funds are funding abortions.

I am never certain about how one can claim that. Don't federal funds fund Planned Parenthood? I know they provide other services, but they also
provide abortion services. Having federal funds for the other services
helps them afford to provide abortion services.

Sort of like receiving an insurance check that you can only spend to
replace your roof. The roof needs replacing regardless but, since you have that insurance money to replace it, you now have funds to spend on other things. Without the insurance check, you spend money on the roof and the
other things have to wait until you have the money to afford them.


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On 01 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

I don't think his stance on abortion is inconsistent. I am pro-choice
but would have difficulty with someone aborting a child I thought was mine. I *think* that is what he meant.

That's interesting, and good to know. I, too, believe that the rights of the father should be considered, but to what degree the wishes of the mother can
be overridden I'm not at all sure about.

Jeff.

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On 01 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Or maybe we're all just figments of Lee's imagination.

Oh dear, glad that is not the case here.

What could we do about it if it were the case?

Jeff.

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On 01 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

This isn't just a U.N. issue! It's the first step toward WW3!

Didn't you also say that you didn't agree with the fearmongering?

I missed the original message. I think it is human to be concerned about what is going on, but stirring up fear unnecessarily is not productive.

I believe someone was talking about Putin using nukes, and Shaun said he
didn't agree with fearmongering, but here he is heralding WWIII.

Jeff.

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spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: All talk no action <=-

But the Left then uses "pro-choice" to say that abortion is a "right" and that everyone has to fund it.

Except that no federal funds are funding abortions.

I am never certain about how one can claim that. Don't federal funds
fund Planned Parenthood? I know they provide other services, but they also provide abortion services. Having federal funds for the other services helps them afford to provide abortion services.

It is my understanding that abortion services have to be paid for from
other sources -- private, private insurance, endowments, etc.

Sort of like receiving an insurance check that you can only spend to replace your roof. The roof needs replacing regardless but, since you have that insurance money to replace it, you now have funds to spend on other things. Without the insurance check, you spend money on the roof and the other things have to wait until you have the money to afford
them.

Your analogy only works if one already had the money to pay for the roof
from personal funds. It may sound logical, but I don't think it is 100% appropriate in this case.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Bj”rn,

I mean, there is that yearly ritual, where all us pro-choicers get

together

and sacrifice our first-born's to the Goat...but that's it, I

*swear*!

(O_O)
(Sarcasm, in case that wasn't obvious...)

I am not sure what any of you are talking about. I live in Sweden, and to me
any talk about having politicians making laws about what our wonderful women can make their own decisions about is so alien to me I can't even imagine what y'all are talking about.

The problem is not politicians making laws. It is politicians making
bad laws.

I guess it's one of those socialist Lefties things.

Bad laws are bad laws, regardless of where they come from.

Oh, BTW, over here in the scientific world, the heart of a human embryo does
not start to be more than a handful of cells after more than those weeks that the Texas experts think that life begins with. It takes about three months before you can even detect the first heartbeat.

Life begins at fertization with the embryo's conception. That is
the scientific view.

https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

But why leave scientifics out, when you can create a wonderful of Evangelical hype (that'll give you a lot of votes from stupid, gullible people)?

What politicians are doing is replacing sound science with bad law.
No evangelical hype required, but politicians do love the adoration.

--Lee

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This isn't just a U.N. issue! It's the first step toward WW3!

Didn't you also say that you didn't agree with the fearmongering?

I missed the original message. I think it is human to be concerned about
what is going on, but stirring up fear unnecessarily is not productive.

I believe someone was talking about Putin using nukes, and Shaun said he didn't agree with fearmongering, but here he is heralding WWIII.

There was something on FOX's website, when this started, about the Russian forces closing in on Chernobyl with a possible intent of disturbing it to
cause a nuclear leak. I dismissed it as fearmongering.

Thursday or Friday, the local news noted concerns about Russian proximity
to Chernobyl and what could happen if they took the area.

Putin has been giving off mixed messages... like the vague "denazification" as a condition for suspending hostilities... it is not too difficult to wonder
if the goal is re-integrating Ukraine into Russia or something else.


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Except that no federal funds are funding abortions.

I am never certain about how one can claim that. Don't federal funds fund Planned Parenthood? I know they provide other services, but they also provide abortion services. Having federal funds for the other services helps them afford to provide abortion services.

It is my understanding that abortion services have to be paid for from
other sources -- private, private insurance, endowments, etc.

If all that money went away, would they stop providing abortions, or the
other services?

Sort of like receiving an insurance check that you can only spend to replace your roof. The roof needs replacing regardless but, since you have that insurance money to replace it, you now have funds to spend on other things. Without the insurance check, you spend money on the roof and the other things have to wait until you have the money to afford them.

Your analogy only works if one already had the money to pay for the roof
from personal funds. It may sound logical, but I don't think it is 100% appropriate in this case.

Well, if you don't, then that also doesn't get done.

I think it works because it is a situation where you have two sets of
money, and one set can only be used for one thing, and having that money
allows you the freedom you would not have otherwise to do other things with
the other money.


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On 03-05-22 11:24, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: All talk no action <=-

Except that no federal funds are funding abortions.

I am never certain about how one can claim that. Don't federal funds fund Planned Parenthood? I know they provide other services, but they also provide abortion services. Having federal funds for the other services helps them afford to provide abortion services.

It is my understanding that abortion services have to be paid for from
other sources -- private, private insurance, endowments, etc.

If all that money went away, would they stop providing abortions, or
the other services?

Then PP would have to stop giving abortions. The other services would
continue under the government funding.

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Lee Lofaso -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2022-03-05 11:29:

I am not sure what any of you are talking about. I live in Sweden, and to me
any talk about having politicians making laws about what our wonderful
women can make their own decisions about is so alien to me I can't even
imagine what y'all are talking about.

The problem is not politicians making laws. It is politicians making
bad laws.

NO! It's about what white, wealthy old men, that no longer can their pecker up, are deciding what freedom 174 million women are allowed to in the hallelujah, praise the Christian god, fabulous freedom (as long as you renounce that socialist SOB, Christ, Jesus) in the United States of America.

It seems like it's based on the hopelessly outdated constitution of yours. Created by slavers, white male, decided in a totally different world centuries ago, where neither non-white people, not even the women, nor the rest of the non-white supreme old men, had to decide.

That's called fascism in modern talk. Happy Pledging of Allegiance to that slave owner, created crap of yours. Over here, in the free world, we have updated our constitutions as our countries have evolved.

How about trying that in the USA, maybe you would end with a true democracy, where even a black women can make it to that SCOTUS partisan without MAGA jokes and insults...



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On 03-09-22 19:49, Bj”rn Felten <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about All talk no action <=-

here, in the free world, we have updated our constitutions
as our countries have evolved.

As has the USA. We just did not throw it out and start over as some
countries have done.

Dale Shipp
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As has the USA. We just did not throw it out and start over as some countries have done.

Some? More like every civilized country, I'd say. So maybe it's time you do? It's still based on the wordings by old, white, male slavers who lived in a completely different world 250 years ago.

Maybe it's time to make sure for instance that the ultimate interpreter, of that hopelessly outdated constitution, SCOTUS, no longer is stuffed by politicians but appointed by e.g. a group of retired judges (for life, but with no affiliation to any political party) with a maximum timed SCOTUS appointment. Then at least maybe SCOTUS will no longer vote against women's and non-white citizen's civil rights?

Nah, I can't see how that pathetic amendment idea can work, now that gerrymandering, Electoral College, filibuster and other measures has totally thwarted true democracy. It's like putting band aid on shot wounds.

When was the last time it was amended, for instance? How many times the last 100 years? What are the odds that a single amendment will pass that senate abomination of yours within the next 100 years?


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On 03-11-22 11:02, Bj”rn Felten <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about All talk no action <=-

When was the last time it was amended, for instance? How many times
the last 100 years? What are the odds that a single amendment
will pass that senate abomination of yours within the next
100 years?

Last time = 1992, 8 times in last 100 years, 12 in 20th century.

Odds on another amendment passing = Unknown.

Dale Shipp
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Last time = 1992, 8 times in last 100 years, 12 in 20th century.

That maths does not add up. Unless, of course, you have redefined the meaning of the English word 'amend'.

Since the Constitution was ratified in 1788, the document has been amended 27 times. Ten of those, known as the Bill of Rights, were passed in 1789. Leaving 17 new amendments for almost 250 years.

BTW, the last one from 1992, that you mention, isn't that the one that was originally proposed in 1789? Really important amendment, no?

#27:

"No law varying the compensation for the services of the
Senators and Representatives shall take effect, until
an election of Representatives shall have intervened."

IOW "protect our salaries, please"...


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on *01.03.22* at *0:47:42* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
to *Shaun Buzza* about *"All talk no action"*.

We are talking about a deeply paranoid megalomaniac who is hellbent on starting WWIII. That is reason to be afraid. Very afraid.

Another problem is with the UN itself. They've shown no real inclination to address the issue beyond just tut tutting about it. And in the end, Russia has veto power over anything the UN decides to do or say.


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on *01.03.22* at *21:20:00* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
to *JEFF THIELE* about *"Re: All talk no action"*.

Or maybe we're all just figments of Lee's imagination.

Oh dear, glad that is not the case here.

But, what if Lee only imagined you saying that?

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On 03-12-22 21:23, Bj”rn Felten <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about All talk no action <=-

Last time = 1992, 8 times in last 100 years, 12 in 20th century.

That maths does not add up. Unless, of course, you have
redefined the meaning of the English word 'amend'.

Since you don't trust my mathematical ability to do simple arithmetic, I
will be more pedantic for you. Amendments 16, 17, 18, and 19 were
ratified in the 20th century -- but not in the past 100 years.

Since the Constitution was ratified in 1788, the
document has been amended 27 times. Ten of those, known as
the Bill of Rights, were passed in 1789. Leaving 17 new
amendments for almost 250 years.

All true.

BTW, the last one from 1992, that you mention, isn't that the one
that was originally proposed in 1789? Really important amendment, no?

#27:

Also true.

"No law varying the compensation for the services of the
Senators and Representatives shall take effect, until
an election of Representatives shall have intervened."

IOW "protect our salaries, please"...

Actually, the opposite. It says that Congress cannot raise its own
salary for the *current* term. Any raise does not take effect until the Representatives have a new election.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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Or maybe we're all just figments of Lee's imagination.

Oh dear, glad that is not the case here.

But, what if Lee only imagined you saying that?

It would not surprise me. A lot of what Lee says must require a pretty
vivid imagination.


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Hello Al,

We are talking about a deeply paranoid megalomaniac who is hellbent on
starting WWIII. That is reason to be afraid. Very afraid.

Another problem is with the UN itself. They've shown no real inclination to
address the issue beyond just tut tutting about it. And in the end, Russia
has veto power over anything the UN decides to do or say.

The problem is not the UN. The problem is Mad Vlad himself.

The people of Russia are unable to get rid of him. He has a rubber
stamp legislature and a kangaroo court that gives him everything he
wants, along with a compliant military that never questions his
orders.

Anybody who opposes him, or dares criticize he rule, is either
executed or sent to a gulag in Siberia, never to be heard from again.
Not a nice place to be if you are Russian living in Mad Vlad's Russia.
And god forbid if you are tourist, as those folks are executed on the
spot as spies.

As for the UN, the general assembly could remove Russia from the
security council, thus revoking its veto power. But it won't, as it
enjoys the paper tiger status it has held for decades.

--Lee

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Hello Bj”rn,

Last time = 1992, 8 times in last 100 years, 12 in 20th century.

That maths does not add up. Unless, of course, you have redefined the meaning of the English word 'amend'.

Since the Constitution was ratified in 1788, the document has been amended 27 times. Ten of those, known as the Bill of Rights, were passed in
1789. Leaving 17 new amendments for almost 250 years.

There have been 40,000+ attempts to amend the US Constitution.
Only 27 of those attempts have been successful.

BTW, the last one from 1992, that you mention, isn't that the one that was originally proposed in 1789? Really important amendment, no?

One amendment was to repeal a previous amendment. So in actuality,
there are only 25 amendments that count.

--Lee

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