• The Big Lie Lie?

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, January 27, 2022 16:34:00
    It always has been wherever I voted. We've always had to have a photo ID. Even when they used to send out the registration cards, I was never able to present one without a photo ID.

    Interesting, because news articles from the time showing voter ID in Kentucky being passed in 2020.

    It may have had something to do with the national Real ID (tm) going into "production" in Kentucky that year (which it did).

    By the way, going into affect in 2020 sort of messes up your "it was all because the Big Lie" claim. Kentucky's legislative sessions start in
    January and, in even numbered years, are done by 4/15. Any laws that are not signed, or overridden, by the end of the session are dead for the year,
    unless there is a special session, which are called "Extraordinary
    Sessions" by our state legislature. There were no Extraordinary Sessions
    in 2020, so all laws were passed before 4/15.

    The Big Lie didn't happen until the end of 2020. Ooops.

    The law did change in 2020.

    Which doesn't mean we didn't need a government photo ID before then.

    Now, if you used a mail-in ballot, like I did in the primary, you didn't need the photo ID. I also could have sent in the two additional ballot request forms I received, for a dead person and another that has been out of state for 10+ years, but I did not.

    You could have, but would they have been accepted?

    The previous AG, now our governor (D), had a bunch of people added back to the voter roles, so the people who received the ballot requests are legally registered to vote, despite being dead or out of state. I don't see why
    they would not have.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, January 27, 2022 17:30:33
    On 27 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    It always has been wherever I voted. We've always had to have a ph ID. Even when they used to send out the registration cards, I was n able to present one without a photo ID.
    Interesting, because news articles from the time showing voter ID in Ken being passed in 2020.
    It may have had something to do with the national Real ID (tm) going into "production" in Kentucky that year (which it did).
    By the way, going into affect in 2020 sort of messes up your "it was all because the Big Lie" claim. Kentucky's legislative sessions start in January and, in even numbered years, are done by 4/15. Any laws that
    are not signed, or overridden, by the end of the session are dead for
    the year, unless there is a special session, which are called "Extraordinary Sessions" by our state legislature. There were no Extraordinary Sessions in 2020, so all laws were passed before 4/15.

    I didn't claim that all Voter ID laws were because of the Big Lie. Texas'
    Voter ID law was also passed prior to 2020. However, there have been a whole bunch of other laws passed since the 2020 election aimed at suppressing
    voters.

    The law did change in 2020.
    Which doesn't mean we didn't need a government photo ID before then.

    The law that passed in 2020 was SB2, and it took effect on July 15,2020.
    Prior to the passage of SB2, non-photo ID or personal acquaintance with the poll worker was required to vote. (https://elect.ky.gov/Frequently-Asked-Questions/Documents/SB%202%20FAQ.pdf)

    Kentucky does, however, allow a much broader range of photo IDs to be used
    for voting than Texas does.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, January 28, 2022 15:34:51
    On 28 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The law that passed in 2020 was SB2, and it took effect on July 15,2020. Prior to the passage of SB2, non-photo ID or personal acquaintance with poll worker was required to vote. (https://elect.ky.gov/Frequently-Asked-Questions/Documents/SB%202%20FAQ.
    Every time I have voted, since 1988, at now six different polling places across the three counties I have lived in, I have needed a photo ID. One of the first times I voted, I tried the voter registration card they gave me and that was not acceptable. They always look at the photo, and then at me, then look me up in the book.

    So you're saying that your state's website is incorrect?

    Jeff.
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, January 28, 2022 16:12:00
    Which doesn't mean we didn't need a government photo ID before then.

    The law that passed in 2020 was SB2, and it took effect on July 15,2020. Prior to the passage of SB2, non-photo ID or personal acquaintance with the poll worker was required to vote. (https://elect.ky.gov/Frequently-Asked-Questions/Documents/SB%202%20FAQ.pdf)

    Kentucky does, however, allow a much broader range of photo IDs to be used for voting than Texas does.

    Every time I have voted, since 1988, at now six different polling places
    across the three counties I have lived in, I have needed a photo ID. One
    of the first times I voted, I tried the voter registration card they gave
    me and that was not acceptable. They always look at the photo, and then at
    me, then look me up in the book.

    The only time that was not true, oddly enough, was 2020. I showed them the front of my license, and they wanted to see the barcode on the back.


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