Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

You're an idiot for thinking this, Ron.

He's not thinking it; he's KNOWING it. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmissions. People get vaccinated, and then they die of covid, after passing it to a few other people on their way out the door.

This is why I ignore Jeff's messages.

No matter what information or facts you post, if it goes against his false Narrative, he just ignores it. In his mind, he's right - period - and there's no way you can change that.


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On 19 Oct 2021, Robert Ethridge said the following...

Do not twist my words...what I said was that many people chose to get the vaccine BECAUSE the DEMOCRATS said that if you are vaccinated you do
not have to wear a mask in public

That's what he does, is twist, so don't be pissed.
Most of us know he is deranged as he continues to be unchanged.
Most of us know that Joe is slow, sooner or later, he could be a hater but for now he kisses the ring of Biden - his king.

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I just heard more information today that if you are unvaccinated, your
PCR test is processed in a way to enhance false positives. But if you
are vaccinated, your PCR test is processed in the correct way to reduce false positives.

There is something that will NOT be reported on 60 Minutes :)
Nor will it be acknowledged by the left wing nut jobs within fidonet & beyond.

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On 20 Oct 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

On 20 Oct 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...

No, the prpose of vaccination is to keep people fro catching and spread COVID-19, which it does fairly well.

Actually, it doesn't do either. The not-vaccine, at best, makes the symptoms less and, at worst, kills you.

It does provide immunity, although not 100%, and reduces the risk of severe symptoms, long-term damage, and death in those who do contract COVID-19.

But it's proven to not keep you from getting COVID nor from spreading it.

That is a blatant falsehood. The vaccines have been proven to be
effective at providing immunity and preventing the spread of COVID-19. That they are not 100% effective by no means implies that they are entirely ineffective.

Do we get a booster for the measles, mumps and rubella vaccines, no of course not because they are "REAL" vaccines, this so called covid vaccine is not a vaccine at all, the long and short of it is that this so called covid vaccine is nothing more than a immunity booster.

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On 19 Oct 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

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On 19 Oct 2021, Robert Ethridge said the following...

Jeff said:

No, the prpose of vaccination is to keep people fro catching and spre COVID-19, which it does fairly well. I'm not sure where you got the i the sole purpose of the vaccine was to enable people to not wear mask

the purpose of the vaccine is to keep people from catching and spreading COVID-19. By your own admission this is not achieved...vaccinated people DO get COVID-19 and potentially spread it

JT>

Robert said:

Do not twist my words...what I said was that many people chose to get vaccine BECAUSE the DEMOCRATS said that if you are vaccinated you do not have to wear a mask in public

I believe the current advice is that if one is vaccinated, one can visit with small groups of other vaccinated people without wearing a mask.
That said, I always wear a mask when interacting with people outside my household even though I am fully vaccinated.

JT
I suppose you are also one of the Rams who wear a mask when you are driving alone in your car. do you also wear a mask when you are home alone as well?

Apparently I never got the memo that unvaccinated people do not have to wear a mask in public.

Jeff said:

The mask does inhibit the spread, but is primarily to
person wearing the mask, rather than the other way ar
puffs of air, preventing them from travelling as far.

Robert said:

no matter how big an AIRBORNE particle is it will travel the same distance through the AIR thus the term AIRBORNE

Not true. Airborne particles are carried through the air by air
currents. Try blowing out a candle with a mask on.

an air particle will still be carried through the air by air currents REGARDLESS of the size of the particle. (Biology 101. perhaps you were in liberal brainwashing class when that was taught)
yes a candle can be blown out while wearing a mask.

Jeff said: JT> RE>

There is no evidence that the virus was man-made. JT>

Robert said:

So you believe the Chinese Government's suggestion that it came from people eating bats

I don't believe that the Chinese government said that it came from people eating bats. I believe they suggested that it was possibly spread from bats to humans in a "wet market," presumably through inhalation.

Jeff said:

The Chinese did not "make" the virus.

keep telling yourself that and you might one day actually believe that

Robert said:

how coincidental that the virus came from China at the exact time tha Trump was coming down on them for unfair currency manipulation.

Coincidences happen. Absent other evidence, they prove nothing.

People have been convicted for crimes on less evidence than "coincidence"

Jeff said:

That is false. There are many deaths not attributed to COVID. No one tryng to "scare people into submission." COVID-19 is a world-wide pandemic. People in all countries are dying of it. There have not bee "a few thousand" deaths of vaccinated people, but there have been ove 700,000 deaths of unvaccinated people.

Robert said:

How much money do you think the 3 Pharmaceutical companies are making this? Billions, Trillions? or do you believe they are doing it out the kindness of their hearts? they are being paid by our government

They are making quite a lot, and if you'd like to go into the abuse of capitalism by large corporations, I'm sure there's a lot we can agree on. However, that's a different topic.

BTW Liberalism is a mental disorder

administer these shots which are killing people. But you see their

but they are. these shots are causing side effects which are killing people.

The shots are not killing people.

deaths as insignificant since it is only a fraction of the number of vaccination shots given. Tell that to the loved ones of those that d from COVID after getting this vaccine for COVID to supposedly preven them from getting it.

The vaccines are ot 100% effective, but they're not 0% effective,
either. Far from it. Some people are going to catch COVID despite being vaccinated, and some are going to die. Far more unvaccinated people will catch COVID and die, though, because the vaccines -- although not 100% effective -- do work.

so the deaths of a few are acceptable collateral damage for the greater good.
your statements prove that is what you believe. so if one of your relatives died from COVID-19 after being vaccinated your comfort would be that it is
for the greater good. That says a lot about your character or lack thereof

Even if someone were to be vaccinated, catch COVID, and die, it is not JT>

that vaccine that killed them. The vaccine does not make people with JT> COVID more likely to die, as
you seem to be suggesting, but in fact less. JT>

I know that if I were a loved one of someone like that and some menta deranged LIBERAL told me that my loved one's death is insignificant because the greater good prevails, I would be arrested for beating th person to a bloody pulp. but I would gladly go to jail for that.

Are you not claiming that all of the COVID deaths of unvaccinated people are insignificant? The vaccines can greatly reduce the number of deaths. That some will die is an unfortunate effect of the pandemic, not the vaccine.

Also, is you quoter broken?

My quoter is working fine as you can see

BTW...did you hear your God Biden's speech in Scranton, PA where he said that he "commuted 36 years while being Vice President when" his "wife and daughter died"

in all the US History I learned in school, I never knew anyone who was Vice President for 36 years but in his dementia plagued mind he was Vice President for 36 years and his wife and daughter died during that time

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not surprised at all. this is all part of the fear tactics used

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On 22 Oct 2021, Robert Ethridge said the following...

the purpose of the vaccine is to keep people from catching and spreading COVID-19. By your own admission this is not achieved...vaccinated
people DO get COVID-19 and potentially spread it

People with the so called "Covid-19 Vaccine" can still get covid and can
still get infected and infect others as well.
These cheap Chinese masks are totally completely useless.
If you can still smell odors while wearing this mask, what would make one believe it would be effective to stop covid-19?

Ever wear one of these cheap Chinese masks for 8 hours of your work shift, you should be able to notice the fibers that clearly seen by the naked eye, sure looks like fiberglass material to me, that can not be healthy.
How quaint? A Chinese mask for a Chinese virus.

in all the US History I learned in school, I never knew anyone who was Vice President for 36 years but in his dementia plagued mind he was Vice President for 36 years and his wife and daughter died during that time

Yes, how about that, this is just another never-ending example of yet
another gaffe from the mouth of Joe Biden. Jeff might not be paying
attention but the world media sure is.
The United States President must look like bozo the clown by other nations.

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On 22 Oct 2021, Robert Ethridge said the following...

People have been convicted for crimes on less evidence than "coincidence"

I wonder if Hillary Clinton won the election in 2016, would the world still know of Covid, probably not. Many people who have died due to the Chinese
Virus would still be alive today.

Jeff can speak of coincidences all he wants, but still it's a fact that 1+1=2

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On 22 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

Do we get a booster for the measles, mumps and rubella vaccines, no of course not because they are "REAL" vaccines, this so called covid
vaccine is not a vaccine at all, the long and short of it is that this
so called covid vaccine is nothing more than a immunity booster.

Do we get a "booster" for the tetanus vaccine? Why, yes, yes we do. Do we get our dogs "boosters" for the rabies vaccine? Why yes, yes we do.

Whether or not a vaccine needs a "booster" does not determine whether or not it's a proper vaccine.

Jeff.

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On 22 Oct 2021, Robert Ethridge said the following...

the purpose of the vaccine is to keep people from catching and spreading COVID-19. By your own admission this is not achieved...vaccinated
people DO get COVID-19 and potentially spread it

At a much, much lower rate than unvaccinated people. As such, it works, and
if enough people are vaccinated, we can control this.

Jeff.

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On 22 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

the purpose of the vaccine is to keep people from catching and spread COVID-19. By your own admission this is not achieved...vaccinated people DO get COVID-19 and potentially spread it

People with the so called "Covid-19 Vaccine" can still get covid and can still get infected and infect others as well.

This is true but also extremely misleading. The *rate* at which vaccinated people are infected and spread COVID-19 is greatly reduced by the vaccines.

These cheap Chinese masks are totally completely useless.

Nope. They signifacantly slow down air passing through them and in doing so reduce the range of dangerous particles.

If you can still smell odors while wearing this mask, what would make one believe it would be effective to stop covid-19?

If you stuck your face into the air where someone had just breathed, sure,
you could catch the virus. But that's not normal.

Ever wear one of these cheap Chinese masks for 8 hours of your work
shift, you should be able to notice the fibers that clearly seen by the naked eye, sure looks like fiberglass material to me, that can not be healthy. How quaint? A Chinese mask for a Chinese virus.

Not all of the masks are Chinese-made. They are available from a variety of sources.

in all the US History I learned in school, I never knew anyone who wa Vice President for 36 years but in his dementia plagued mind he was V President for 36 years and his wife and daughter died during that tim

Yes, how about that, this is just another never-ending example of yet another gaffe from the mouth of Joe Biden. Jeff might not be paying attention but the world media sure is.
The United States President must look like bozo the clown by other nations.

Gaffes will be made. The lies that the Trump administration peddled in were
not gaffes.

Jeff.

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On 22 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

People have been convicted for crimes on less evidence than "coincide

I wonder if Hillary Clinton won the election in 2016, would the world still know of Covid, probably not. Many people who have died due to the Chinese Virus would still be alive today.

So you're saying the Trump administration was responsible for COVID? Interesting theory, that.

Jeff can speak of coincidences all he wants, but still it's a fact that 1+1=2

That 1+1=2 is not a coincidence.

Jeff.

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On 10-22-21 21:03, Robert Ethridge <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Vaccine mandates <=-

Robert said:

Do not twist my words...what I said was that many
people chose to get
vaccine BECAUSE the DEMOCRATS said that if you
are vaccinated you do
not have to wear a mask in public

Jeff said:

The mask does inhibit the spread, but is primarily to
person wearing the mask, rather than the other way ar
puffs of air, preventing them from travelling as far.

Robert said:

no matter how big an AIRBORNE particle is it will travel the same distance through the AIR thus the term AIRBORNE

Robert said:

So you believe the Chinese Government's suggestion that it came from people eating bats

Robert said:

how coincidental that the virus came from China
at the exact time tha
Trump was coming down on them for unfair currency manipulation.

Jeff said:

That is false. There are many deaths not
attributed to COVID. No one
tryng to "scare people into submission." COVID-19 is a world-wide pandemic. People in all countries are dying of
it. There have not bee
"a few thousand" deaths of vaccinated people, but
there have been ove
700,000 deaths of unvaccinated people.

Robert said:

How much money do you think the 3 Pharmaceutical
companies are making
this? Billions, Trillions? or do you believe
they are doing it out
the kindness of their hearts? they are being
paid by our government

They are making quite a lot, and if you'd like to go into the abuse of capitalism by large corporations, I'm sure there's a lot we can agree on. However, that's a different topic.

deaths as insignificant since it is only a fraction of the number of vaccination shots given. Tell that to the loved
ones of those that d
from COVID after getting this vaccine for COVID
to supposedly preven
them from getting it.

I know that if I were a loved one of someone like
that and some menta
deranged LIBERAL told me that my loved one's death is insignificant because the greater good prevails, I would be
arrested for beating th
person to a bloody pulp. but I would gladly go to jail for that.

Also, is you quoter broken?

My quoter is working fine as you can see

Definitely you quoter is not working fine as you can see. Look above at
the many times that you put the initials JT> in front of something that
you said and JT had quoted to you. At best it is confusing. At worst
it is disengenious.

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The medical facilities that every major city has were, and continue to be overloaded.

Medical facilities are not overloaded here... They never tell you the percentage of beds for covid patients vs all beds...

According to the Henry Ford health system, 13% of patients treated with hydroxychloroqine died, compared to 26% without. And so it would appear, if the study is correct, that hydroxychloroquine has an efficacy of 50%, far lower than any of the vaccines.

That is just one study but my point is proven, it does work and works better when used with other therapeutics. But you know what, you go on believing what you want and let the left continue to lead you around by the nose.

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There are no clinical trial studies that show hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin to be effective in treating COVID-19.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04860284

Ok so now you will say there is no results which in this trial it is true but this is the first thing that popped up in a search. Another lie you are trying to sell... Look if you want to be a shill for the left that's fine just be honest about it..

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You are the sheep, following all of the other sheep who believe in conspiracy theories.

Just remember there are conspiracy theories and there are conspiracy facts...
I follow the facts.

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I would argue that the companies who are doing it are not doing it for
the common good, as Jeff-T suggests, but because they do not want to be fined or, worse, be sued by someone who thinks they got COVID while visiting one of their establishments or using their services.

The problem with that line of logic is that how many companies get sued because someone got the flu? Every year hundreds of thousands die from the flu and yet we don't force people to get a flu shot? Of course I hear it now "Covid 19 is much more dangerous than the flu" Is it? Bottom line is you have to ask yourself why a mandate for this vaccine and why now...

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Robert Ethridge <=-

I wonder if Hillary Clinton won the election in 2016, would the world still know of Covid, probably not.

We had the major outbreak of SARS during the Osama...er.. Obama era and that didn't get any air time.

So if COVID had happened during Osama's time in office, you can bet that it would have been ignored.

Jeff can speak of coincidences all he wants, but still it's a fact that 1+1=2

Lefties can't handle Reality because Reality won't conform to their Narrative. That's why Lefties are always so mad.


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On 22 Oct 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

On 22 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

Do we get a booster for the measles, mumps and rubella vaccines, no o course not because they are "REAL" vaccines, this so called covid vaccine is not a vaccine at all, the long and short of it is that thi so called covid vaccine is nothing more than a immunity booster.

Do we get a "booster" for the tetanus vaccine? Why, yes, yes we do. Do
we get our dogs "boosters" for the rabies vaccine? Why yes, yes we do.

Do WE really? "We" meaning most of us?
Try thirty people. :) As you will discover, most of do not.

Whether or not a vaccine needs a "booster" does not determine whether or not it's a proper vaccine.

WEDNESDAY, Feb. 26, 2020 (HealthDay News) -- Countering a U.S. government advisory, a new study suggests that adults may not need regular booster shots for tetanus and diphtheria if they received a complete vaccination series as children.

Researchers compared data gathered from millions of people in 31 countries in North America and Europe between 2001 and 2016. They found no significant differences in rates of the two diseases between countries that require adults to receive booster shots and those that don't.

However, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention still recommends that all adults receive booster shots every 10 years.

The new findings mesh with the World Health Organization's recent recommendation to only vaccinate adults for tetanus and diphtheria if they didn't have a full series of shots as children.

"To be clear, this study is pro-vaccine," said study lead researcher Mark Slifka, a professor in the molecular microbiology and immunology graduate program at Oregon Health & Science University in Portland.

"Everyone should get their series of tetanus and diphtheria shots when
they're children. But once they have done that, our data indicates they
should be protected for life," Slifka said in a university news release.

In the United States, reducing booster shots for adults could save about one billion a year in unnecessary medical costs, according to the researchers.

Tetanus, also known as lockjaw, is a bacterial infection that causes jaw cramping, painful muscle spasms, trouble swallowing and breathing, seizures
and convulsions. Severe cases can result in death.
About 30 people in the United States get tetanus each year. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Diphtheria is a bacterial infection that causes a thick covering in the back
of the throat, which can lead to difficulty breathing, heart failure,
paralysis or death.
In the past 10 years, less then 5 cases of diphtheria were reported to the
CDC.

As far as dogs go
https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/annual-dog...
Dec 08, 2017 Despite the fact that your dog doesn't need boosters to protect him, far too many vets (as many as 60% of US vets, according to some sources) are still vaccinating their patients annually And they're doing it without bothering to inform dog owners that boosters are usually unnecessary and they're also risky.

Primary vaccination is essential in order to prevent the once common deadly puppy diseases. However, recent research indicates that not all vaccines require yearly boosters. There is no evidence that annual booster vaccination is anything but beneficial to the majority of dogs.

It comes down to individual choices and what you think is best, to
protect Fido.

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On 22 Oct 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

150
230
On 22 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

the purpose of the vaccine is to keep people from catching and s COVID-19. By your own admission this is not achieved...vaccinat people DO get COVID-19 and potentially spread it

People with the so called "Covid-19 Vaccine" can still get covid and still get infected and infect others as well.

This is true but also extremely misleading. The *rate* at which
vaccinated people are infected and spread COVID-19 is greatly reduced by the vaccines.

These cheap Chinese masks are totally completely useless.

Nope. They signifacantly slow down air passing through them and in doing so reduce the range of dangerous particles.

If you can still smell odors while wearing this mask, what would make believe it would be effective to stop covid-19?

If you stuck your face into the air where someone had just breathed,
sure, you could catch the virus. But that's not normal.

What's not normal is not following the science, specially when logic and science show that what is coming from the Democrats is not fact-based at all.

Standing back and looking analytically of what is actually happening
has more to do with peddling as fear, then it has to do with Science.

Ever wear one of these cheap Chinese masks for 8 hours of your work shift, you should be able to notice the fibers that clearly seen by th naked eye, sure looks like fiberglass material to me, that can not be healthy. How quaint? A Chinese mask for a Chinese virus.

Not all of the masks are Chinese-made. They are available from a variety of sources.

Every mask of this quality, usually light blue in color that I have seen
have been Chinese Made.

The United States President must look like bozo the clown by other nations.

Gaffes will be made. The lies that the Trump administration peddled in were not gaffes.

The difference between what you're saying and what I'm saying is evident.
You see Jeff, I have been asking since January of 21 when are you going to
come to terms that Biden is a moron. Gaffe after gaffe and this last one was H-u-g-e, to coin a phrase. "Vice President for 36 years"

This should do much to educate you and your lefty friends.
C'MON Man
https://tinyurl.com/b9brm8a2

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No matter what information or facts you post, if it goes against his
false Narrative, he just ignores it. In his mind, he's right - period - and there's no way you can change that.

The administrators of his psychological treatment are a success, if that can
be considered "success."

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I would argue that the companies who are doing it are not doing it for the common good, as Jeff-T suggests, but because they do not want to be fined or, worse, be sued by someone who thinks they got COVID while visiting one of their establishments or using their services.

The problem with that line of logic is that how many companies get sued because
someone got the flu? Every year hundreds of thousands die from the flu and yet >e don't force people to get a flu shot? Of course I hear it now "Covid 19 is mu
h more dangerous than the flu" Is it? Bottom line is you have to ask yourself w
y a mandate for this vaccine and why now...

I cannot answer the first part, why you don't hear about flu lawsuits. We
seem to have accepted the flu as a "fact of life," where COVID has not been accepted as such. The government and press have so far done their best to
make sure it is not accepted as such.

I agree with the why now bit. After years of coddling people who didn't
want their kids getting shots, that we all used to have to have because they are afraid their kids will "catch" autism (or whatever else), the government has really weakened their own legs by trying to push a vaccine mandate now.

If this was the 1970's, I don't think there would be much hesitation in politicians, or the general public, in the COVID vax being mandatory just
like all the rest. Now, there have been too many exceptions made to "all
the rest" for a vaccine mandate to be acceptable to most.


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Do we get a booster for the measles, mumps and rubella vaccines, no of course not because they are "REAL" vaccines, this so called covid vaccine is not a vaccine at all, the long and short of it is that this so called covid vaccine is nothing more than a immunity booster.

If I remember right, you actually DO get a booster for some of those, but
you would have done so as a child. You get one dose at an early age, and
then you get at least one more in your developing years. It is called a booster.

IIRC, I got my last booster for one of the childhood vaccines when I was
16-18 years old. I cannot remember now which one it was. I remember that
one because it was the only one that I was old enough to drive myself to. :)


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BTW...did you hear your God Biden's speech in Scranton, PA where he said that he "commuted 36 years while being Vice President when" his "wife and daughter died"

On at least 4 occassions, he has told a story about an Amtrak employee who would have been retired and, during at least one retelling, dead during the time frame Joe says it happened (i.e. when he was VP). One of the other characters in the story was already dead during the time frame, too.

The last time the story could have happened and been true was circa 1994,
when he was not VP. So either it never happened, or his timeframe is over 14-22 years off.

There is also the story Joe told back when he was running for President
several years ago, and which he retold a part of during his 2020 campaign, regarding his stuggles in life and his education. Back when he told it the first time, CBS News researched it and proved it was a near word-for-word plagarism of a story told by a British politician, mixed in with other
untruths from Joe's past. In other words, Joe claimed things happened to him that had actually happened to the British man and/or that were completely untrue.

When he retold part of that same story during the 2020 campaign, no one in
the press questioned it.

But remember, Joe doesn't lie.


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On 23 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

The medical facilities that every major city has were, and continue t overloaded.

Medical facilities are not overloaded here... They never tell you the percentage of beds for covid patients vs all beds...

They are having to cancel elective surgeries because of the number of COVID patients.

According to the Henry Ford health system, 13% of patients treated wi hydroxychloroqine died, compared to 26% without. And so it would appe if the study is correct, that hydroxychloroquine has an efficacy of 5 far lower than any of the vaccines.

That is just one study but my point is proven, it does work and works better when used with other therapeutics. But you know what, you go on believing what you want and let the left continue to lead you around by the nose.

It turns out that the study in question was just observational, though. So it doesn't really prove much at all.

Jeff.

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On 23 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

There are no clinical trial studies that show hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin to be effective in treating COVID-19.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04860284
Ok so now you will say there is no results which in this trial it is
true but this is the first thing that popped up in a search. Another lie you are trying to sell... Look if you want to be a shill for the left that's fine just be honest about it..

So you readily admit that your own link doesn't prove your point?

Jeff.

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On 23 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

You are the sheep, following all of the other sheep who believe in conspiracy theories.

Just remember there are conspiracy theories and there are conspiracy facts... I follow the facts.

Except that you seem to be pretty short on them, when it comes down to it.

Jeff.

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On 23 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

Do we get a booster for the measles, mumps and rubella vaccines, course not because they are "REAL" vaccines, this so called covi vaccine is not a vaccine at all, the long and short of it is tha so called covid vaccine is nothing more than a immunity booster.

Do we get a "booster" for the tetanus vaccine? Why, yes, yes we do. D we get our dogs "boosters" for the rabies vaccine? Why yes, yes we do

Do WE really? "We" meaning most of us?
Try thirty people. :) As you will discover, most of do not.

So you're saying that only thirty people got either their tetanus vaccine or their dogs' rabies vaccine renewed? That's laughable.

And the point remains: Although their efficacy wanes over time, the tetanus
and rabies vaccines are in fact vaccines.

Whether or not a vaccine needs a "booster" does not determine whether not it's a proper vaccine.

WEDNESDAY, Feb. 26, 2020 (HealthDay News) -- Countering a U.S. government advisory, a new study suggests that adults may not need regular booster shots for tetanus and diphtheria if they received a complete vaccination series as children.

Regardless, when it was thought that regular booster shots were needed, those were still considered vaccines.

Researchers compared data gathered from millions of people in 31
countries in North America and Europe between 2001 and 2016. They found
no significant differences in rates of the two diseases between
countries that require adults to receive booster shots and those that don't.

Nevertheless, there was no one saying that they weren't vaccines when
boosters were required.

However, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention still recommends that all adults receive booster shots every 10 years.

And they're still vaccines.

About 30 people in the United States get tetanus each year. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Could that be because they're vaccinated?

In the past 10 years, less then 5 cases of diphtheria were reported to
the CDC.

This is what happens when the vast majority of people are vaccinated against
a disease.

Primary vaccination is essential in order to prevent the once common deadly puppy diseases. However, recent research indicates that not all vaccines require yearly boosters. There is no evidence that annual
booster vaccination is anything but beneficial to the majority of dogs.

Not all doesn't mean none. And rabies isn't a "puppy disease." And at any
rate, it's irrelevant because even when boosters are required it's still a vaccine.

Jeff.

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On 23 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

People with the so called "Covid-19 Vaccine" can still get covid still get infected and infect others as well.

This is true but also extremely misleading. The *rate* at which vaccinated people are infected and spread COVID-19 is greatly reduced the vaccines.

These cheap Chinese masks are totally completely useless.

Nope. They signifacantly slow down air passing through them and in do so reduce the range of dangerous particles.

If you can still smell odors while wearing this mask, what would believe it would be effective to stop covid-19?

If you stuck your face into the air where someone had just breathed, sure, you could catch the virus. But that's not normal.

What's not normal is not following the science, specially when logic and science show that what is coming from the Democrats is not fact-based at all.

Given that what the Democrats are saying is coming directly from the medical community, it is entirely fact-based.

What's not fact-based are the attempts at making a vaccine regimen political, for example by blaming it all on "the Democrats."

Standing back and looking analytically of what is actually happening
has more to do with peddling as fear, then it has to do with Science.

That makes no sense.

Ever wear one of these cheap Chinese masks for 8 hours of your wor shift, you should be able to notice the fibers that clearly seen b naked eye, sure looks like fiberglass material to me, that can not healthy. How quaint? A Chinese mask for a Chinese virus.

Not all of the masks are Chinese-made. They are available from a vari of sources.

Every mask of this quality, usually light blue in color that I have seen have been Chinese Made.

That hardly proves anything.

The United States President must look like bozo the clown by oth nations.

Gaffes will be made. The lies that the Trump administration peddled i were not gaffes.

The difference between what you're saying and what I'm saying is evident. You see Jeff, I have been asking since January of 21 when are you going
to come to terms that Biden is a moron. Gaffe after gaffe and this last one was H-u-g-e, to coin a phrase. "Vice President for 36 years"

And Trump said that the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic was probably what ended
World War II.

Jeff.

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On 22 Oct 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

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On 22 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

the purpose of the vaccine is to keep people from catching and s COVID-19. By your own admission this is not achieved...vaccinat people DO get COVID-19 and potentially spread it

People with the so called "Covid-19 Vaccine" can still get covid and still get infected and infect others as well.

This is true but also extremely misleading. The *rate* at which
vaccinated people are infected and spread COVID-19 is greatly reduced by the vaccines.

Masks also cut down on the amount of oxygen of which is counter-intuitive to the Brain, which makes me wonder if you are you wearing a mask when you
posting messages?

These cheap Chinese masks are totally completely useless.

Nope. They signifacantly slow down air passing through them and in doing so reduce the range of dangerous particles.

Bottom line is if you can smell odors through these "do nothing" masks than you are susceptible to the catching and contracting covid-19 specially if there are the following conditions that exist.
Not Social Distancing
If you are immune compromised, weakened immune system or have other underlining health conditions or are at otherwise considered to be at high risk.
or You're not be washing your hands; you filthy beggar.

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On 22 Oct 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

People have been convicted for crimes on less evidence than "coi

I wonder if Hillary Clinton won the election in 2016, would the world still know of Covid, probably not. Many people who have died due to t Chinese Virus would still be alive today.

So you're saying the Trump administration was responsible for COVID? Interesting theory, that.

No that is not what I am saying, and you should know me better than that
to even think such a thing. You know the thing?? (confused biden reference)

What am I suggesting is that Hillary would be of no threat to the CCP, with trying to level the tariff as she wouldn't lift a finger to do anything to stop China from ripping off the United States of America as they have been doing for years before Trump came along. But your a liberal and you spend other peoples money and never your own, so I suppose this wouldn't matter to you anyway.

Yes, I believe covid happened to take Trump out and having him deal with such
a problem on such a enormous scale that no president would dealing with such
a task, could hope to win an election. Though Trump did do a lot, operation warp speed. provided PPE gear, overseen massive ventilator production. Ordered hospital ships to both coasts of the U.S. Closed borders early, of which Biden wanted to keep open longer, which means more people would of died.
Many people from many different lands also died due to this Chinese aggression, maybe they just got in the way.
What did Trump get for his trouble?
Impeached twice, and oh yeah acquitted twice too.
He will back in 2024 and this time he will win in a landslide.

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On 23 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

Masks also cut down on the amount of oxygen of which is
counter-intuitive to the Brain, which makes me wonder if you are you wearing a mask when you posting messages?

I don't know what you're smoking, but how does a mask that you *claim* won't even prevent a virus from passing through prevent oxygen from passing
through? A virus is composed of, among other things, DNA, which is a double helix composed of complex organic molecules, while most of the oxygen we breathe is composed of two atoms. Even the carbon dioxide that we exhale is just three atoms.

Also, while we're at it, how is this "counter-intuitive to the Brain?"

Jeff.

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On 23 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

People have been convicted for crimes on less evidence than

I wonder if Hillary Clinton won the election in 2016, would the still know of Covid, probably not. Many people who have died due Chinese Virus would still be alive today.

So you're saying the Trump administration was responsible for COVID? Interesting theory, that.

No that is not what I am saying, and you should know me better than that to even think such a thing. You know the thing?? (confused biden reference)

If Hillary had been elected, we would not "still know of covid." But since Hillary was not elected, we "still know of covid." Sounds to me like you're blaming the pandemic on Trump.

What am I suggesting is that Hillary would be of no threat to the CCP, with trying to level the tariff as she wouldn't lift a finger to do anything to stop China from ripping off the United States of America as they have been doing for years before Trump came along. But your a
liberal and you spend other peoples money and never your own, so I
suppose this wouldn't matter to you anyway.

I'm not sure why you accuse me of not spending my own money; I pay my fair share of taxes without complaint. There is no proof whatsoever that China created COVID-19. And even if they did, why would they release it onto their own citizens, instead of putting it in some package on some boat headed for
the US?

Yes, I believe covid happened to take Trump out and having him deal with such a problem on such a enormous scale that no president would dealing with such a task, could hope to win an election. Though Trump did do a lot, operation warp speed. provided PPE gear, overseen massive
ventilator production. Ordered hospital ships to both coasts of the U.S. Closed borders early, of which Biden wanted to keep open longer, which means more people would of died. Many people from many different lands also died due to this Chinese aggression, maybe they just got in the
way. What did Trump get for his trouble?

Trump massively mishandled the pandemic. More than anything, his own
enormouus ego is his worst enemy. Many Republicans today refuse to take the vaccines that were the result of Operation Warp Speed because of Trump's public, ego-driven feud with Fauci.

Trump did not close the borders to infected Americans coming from China, and the latest evidence is that COVID was already here for some time before he
did that.

What he did do was refuse to allow sick passengers on a ship to come ashore, because he didn't want it to affect "the numbers." Trump advocated for
severely restricting testing, because when there are fewer tests, there are fewer positive results. Again, all he cared about were "the numbers" and how
he could massage them to satisfy his ego.

Impeached twice, and oh yeah acquitted twice too.

He was impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and acquitted for
political reasons. And he's not in the clear just yet.

He will back in 2024 and this time he will win in a landslide.

Prediction noted. We will see. I don't think he has the will to risk losing again.

Jeff.

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On 23 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

He will back in 2024 and this time he will win in a landslide.

I don't suppose I need to remind you that your buddy Mike Lindell the Pillow Guy's latest claim is that the world will see him present his "evidence" to
the Supreme Court before Thanksgiving. This comes, of course, as even
far-right "news" source NewsMax is cutting ties with him.

Yeah, we know where you get your info...

Jeff.

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Ever wear one of these cheap Chinese masks for 8 hours of your work
shift, you should be able to notice the fibers that clearly seen by the naked eye, sure looks like fiberglass material to me, that can not be healthy. How quaint? A Chinese mask for a Chinese virus.

I understand your dissatisfaction with masks, and surely they won't prevent
all transmissions, but I trust the masks a lot more than I trust the vaccines.

Would you rather be forced to wear a mask or forced to take an injection?

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I wonder if Hillary Clinton won the election in 2016, would the world still know of Covid, probably not. Many people who have died due to the Chinese Virus would still be alive today.

The elites would still unleash covid even if Hillary had won. The NIH's gain-of-function research was never intended to go to waste.

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At a much, much lower rate than unvaccinated people. As such, it works, and if enough people are vaccinated, we can control this.

Control covid by weakening symptoms and loosening mask requirements?

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This is true but also extremely misleading. The *rate* at which
vaccinated people are infected and spread COVID-19 is greatly reduced by the vaccines.

When people are diagnosed with covid, there's no "data" to determine if they were infected by vaccinated people or unvaccinated people.

When we see people we know, who are vaccinated, and coming down with covid, there's no statistic in the world that can make us unsee that.

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On 23 Oct 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

At a much, much lower rate than unvaccinated people. As such, it work and if enough people are vaccinated, we can control this.

Control covid by weakening symptoms and loosening mask requirements?

No. control COVID by making sure that as many people as possible are
vaccinated and observing safety protocols.

Jeff.

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On 23 Oct 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

This is true but also extremely misleading. The *rate* at which vaccinated people are infected and spread COVID-19 is greatly reduced the vaccines.

When people are diagnosed with covid, there's no "data" to determine if they were infected by vaccinated people or unvaccinated people.

True, but there is data from studies. And also, unvaccinated people who
spread COVID tend to do so without exhibiting symptoms, which greatly reduces the amount of bodily fluids they're spewing around, so they're less likely to infect as many people.

When we see people we know, who are vaccinated, and coming down with covid, there's no statistic in the world that can make us unsee that.

It happens. But not at the same rate as for those who are unvaccinated.
Surely you have seen that as well?

Jeff.

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On 10-23-21 08:06, Jeff Squires <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Vaccine mandates <=-

There are no clinical trial studies that show hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin to be effective in treating COVID-19.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04860284

Ok so now you will say there is no results which in this
trial it is true but this is the first thing that popped up
in a search. Another lie you are trying to sell... Look if
you want to be a shill for the left that's fine just be
honest about it..

Go back and read with understanding. Here is the relevant part:

Preliminary data from the first 52 COVID-19 patients in Uganda treated
with HCQ demonstrated faster symptom resolution although this did not
reach statistical significance. Lastly, HCQ has not been tested in mild-moderate disease where hospitalization is not necessary and we
therefore do not know whether it can lead to faster viral clearance,
slow disease progression and reduce time to symptom clearance. Our main
aim will be to determine if hydroxychloroquine can lead to faster viral clearance.

The take away is that it was a small sample phase 2 trial (100+
subjects). Note the phrase "although this did not reach statistical significance". I.e. the result is inconclusive.
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Medical facilities are not overloaded here... They never tell you the percentage of beds for covid patients vs all beds...

They are having to cancel elective surgeries because of the number of COVID patients.

Not doing it here and we are supposed to be a hot spot... Again ratio of beds is the magic number.

That is just one study but my point is proven, it does work and works better when used with other therapeutics. But you know what, you go o believing what you want and let the left continue to lead you around the nose.

It turns out that the study in question was just observational, though.
So it doesn't really prove much at all.

It proves that they work. It also proves you don't know what your talking about...

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So you readily admit that your own link doesn't prove your point?

It does prove my point and prove how dishonest you are. Like most lefties you twist and change things to try to fit your narrative.

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Except that you seem to be pretty short on them, when it comes down to
it.

No, have plenty of them unlike you that like to peddle lies.

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Go back and read with understanding. Here is the relevant part:

No you read with understanding, I said this is just the FIRST result when I did a search for Hydroxychloroquine clinical trials, there was a list of them but hey you won't do any research on your own.... Baa baa baa baa...

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On 23 Oct 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

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On 23 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

He will back in 2024 and this time he will win in a landslide.

I don't suppose I need to remind you that your buddy Mike Lindell the Pillow Guy's latest claim is that the world will see him present his "evidence" to the Supreme Court before Thanksgiving. This comes, of course, as even far-right "news" source NewsMax is cutting ties with him.

Yeah, we know where you get your info...

We? How magnanimous of you.

Wrong! I did not get my information there, I was unaware of this actually, but welcome it, none the less. It has been a long 10 months and it has been a complete Train Wreck. I can not imagine this continuing for another 3.2 years. His poll numbers prove beyond any doubt that many think that Biden is a geriatric shit-stain of a President, and it will only get worse.

I recall watching the Presidential debates with Trump / Biden.
Those assurances that Biden provided to the American people, not a single solitary item has been fulfilled. No wonder his poll numbers are in the tank. More than half the time he has no idea where he is as he and mumbles through his speeches. He says shit that is not even understood as English, forget the fact that of it making dam sense. How embarrassing for Biden supporters.
No wonder there is a Biden "kill-switch" when he starts to wonder off topic.

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On 24 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Medical facilities are not overloaded here... They never tell yo percentage of beds for covid patients vs all beds...

They are having to cancel elective surgeries because of the number of COVID patients.

Not doing it here and we are supposed to be a hot spot... Again ratio of beds is the magic number.

Just because it's not happening there doesn't mean it's not happening.

That is just one study but my point is proven, it does work and better when used with other therapeutics. But you know what, you believing what you want and let the left continue to lead you ar the nose.

It turns out that the study in question was just observational, thoug So it doesn't really prove much at all.

It proves that they work. It also proves you don't know what your talking about...

It doesn't prove that they work. There are too many variables.

Jeff.

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On 24 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

So you readily admit that your own link doesn't prove your point?

It does prove my point and prove how dishonest you are. Like most
lefties you twist and change things to try to fit your narrative.

You admitted that there were no results. How do no results prove your point?

Jeff.

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On 24 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Except that you seem to be pretty short on them, when it comes down t it.

No, have plenty of them unlike you that like to peddle lies.

I'd rather trust the medical community than fringe politics. It's interesting that you would consider the medical community to be "peddling lies."

Jeff.

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On 24 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

I don't suppose I need to remind you that your buddy Mike Lindell the Pillow Guy's latest claim is that the world will see him present his "evidence" to the Supreme Court before Thanksgiving. This comes, of course, as even far-right "news" source NewsMax is cutting ties with Yeah, we know where you get your info...

We? How magnanimous of you.

You are pretty much the only one here who bought Lindell's false claims.

Wrong! I did not get my information there, I was unaware of this
actually, but welcome it, none the less.

You know it's not going to happen, right? You know Lindell doesn't actually have any "evidence," right? Or do you still believe him?

and it has been a complete Train Wreck. I can not imagine this
continuing for another 3.2 years. His poll numbers prove beyond any
doubt that many think that Biden is a geriatric shit-stain of a
President, and it will only get worse.

Biden's poll numbers are above Trump's at this time in his presidency.

I recall watching the Presidential debates with Trump / Biden.
Those assurances that Biden provided to the American people, not a single solitary item has been fulfilled. No wonder his poll numbers are in the tank. More than half the time he has no idea where he is as he and
mumbles through his speeches. He says shit that is not even understood
as English, forget the fact that of it making dam sense. How
embarrassing for Biden supporters. No wonder there is a Biden "kill-switch" when he starts to wonder off topic.

I think the problem may be with the listener... He makes sense to most
people. Also, when you say that "not a single solitary item has been fulfilled," it only takes a single solitary item to prove you wrong. During
the debates, Biden promised he would nominate a woman as VP. He did.

Biden also said we would see 100 million vaccinations in his first 100 days. That goal was reached on his 92nd day.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

Baa Baa Baa Baa....
You should understand sheep...

Australian sheep are fugly.

Lamb chops, anyone?

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On 23 Oct 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

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Ever wear one of these cheap Chinese masks for 8 hours of your work shift, you should be able to notice the fibers that clearly seen by t naked eye, sure looks like fiberglass material to me, that can not be healthy. How quaint? A Chinese mask for a Chinese virus.

I understand your dissatisfaction with masks, and surely they won't prevent all transmissions, but I trust the masks a lot more than I trust the vaccines.

I would prefer the selection of Choice.

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I think the problem may be with the listener... He makes sense to most people. Also, when you say that "not a single solitary item has been fulfilled," it only takes a single solitary item to prove you wrong. During the debates, Biden promised he would nominate a woman as VP. He

I can point to 100 youtube videos where he is either mumbling or creating gaffes.
No he said that was going to have a African-American Female as VP.
She is not African-American - Kamala Harris is not African-American.

Kamala Harris is *not* an American Black. She is half Indian and half
Jamaican, read one of a dozen similar tweets questioning Harris's identity sent in the moments after she, while confronting Joe Biden's record of opposing desegregation, recalled being bused to school as a little girl. Another read, KAMALA HARRIS IS NOT BLACK and featured a photo of Harris with a Kamala Dolezal emblazoned across her face, referencing Rachel Dolezal, a white woman who claims to be trans racially black. Yet another read, Kamala Harris is implying she is descended from American Black Slaves. She's not. She comes from Jamaican Slave Owners.
That's fine. She's not an American Black. Period.

But the Democrats choose to call as such to play the race card.

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On 24 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

I think the problem may be with the listener... He makes sense to mos people. Also, when you say that "not a single solitary item has been fulfilled," it only takes a single solitary item to prove you wrong. During the debates, Biden promised he would nominate a woman as VP. H

No he said that was going to have a African-American Female as VP.
She is not African-American - Kamala Harris is not African-American.

Who are you to say whether she is or isn't African-American?

Kamala Harris is *not* an American Black. She is half Indian and half Jamaican, read one of a dozen similar tweets questioning Harris's
identity sent in the moments after she, while confronting Joe Biden's record of opposing desegregation, recalled being bused to school as a little girl. Another read, KAMALA HARRIS IS NOT BLACK and featured a
photo of Harris with a Kamala Dolezal emblazoned across her face, referencing Rachel Dolezal, a white woman who claims to be trans
racially black. Yet another read, Kamala Harris is implying she is descended from American Black Slaves. She's not. She comes from Jamaican Slave Owners. That's fine. She's not an American Black. Period.

That's an odd distinction you're making. Are you saying that there are no
black Jamaicans? Are you saying that Harris is not an American?

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. For someone who criticizes others for mumbling and making gaffes, that whole spiel you just made is one big, confused mess.

But the Democrats choose to call as such to play the race card.

Again, who are you to say that she is or isn't an African-American?

Jeff.

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On 22 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

Do we get a booster for the measles, mumps and rubella vaccines, no course not because they are "REAL" vaccines, this so called covid vaccine is not a vaccine at all, the long and short of it is that th
so called covid vaccine is nothing more than a immunity booster.

Do we get a "booster" for the tetanus vaccine? Why, yes, yes we do. Do we get our dogs "boosters" for the rabies vaccine? Why yes, yes we do.

Do WE really? "We" meaning most of us?
Try thirty people. :) As you will discover, most of do not.

If you are my age and your parents/guardians and doctors followed the
proper vaccination schedule, you likely did receive boosters for most all
of your childhood shots and, because you were likely still a young child,
you probably don't remember it.

The big difference I see is that those vaccines and boosters were apparently expected to last longer than 3-6 months. Depending on what flavor of COVID
vax you got, it may very well not be much good after that time frame.

WEDNESDAY, Feb. 26, 2020 (HealthDay News) -- Countering a U.S. government advisory, a new study suggests that adults may not need regular booster shots for tetanus and diphtheria if they received a complete vaccination series as children.

That complete vax series you received as a kid, presuming you did, included booster shots. However, those boosters did not require another booster
every 3-6 months.


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I don't suppose I need to remind you that your buddy Mike Lindell the Pillow Guy's latest claim is that the world will see him present his "evidence" to the Supreme Court before Thanksgiving. This comes, of course, as even far-right "news" source NewsMax is cutting ties with him.

Stranger things have happened before. I bet Mike Lindell will show some crap like I showed you, like poll workers refusing to give people ballots. The evidence of that stuff is too weak for anyone to care, so it seems. But maybe
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On 24 Oct 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I don't suppose I need to remind you that your buddy Mike Lindell the Pillow Guy's latest claim is that the world will see him present his "evidence" to the Supreme Court before Thanksgiving. This comes, of course, as even far-right "news" source NewsMax is cutting ties with

Stranger things have happened before. I bet Mike Lindell will show some crap like I showed you, like poll workers refusing to give people
ballots. The evidence of that stuff is too weak for anyone to care, so
it seems. But maybe I should contact Li

Bring it on. Let's see the "evidence."

Jeff.

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descended from American Black Slaves. She's not. She comes from Jamai Slave Owners. That's fine. She's not an American Black. Period.

That's an odd distinction you're making. Are you saying that there are no black Jamaicans? Are you saying that Harris is not an American?

Joe said he was going to choose a black female, and we thought he was doing that to give a hand-up to someone who was a descendant of Democrat-induced slavery.

We did not expect him to choose someone based on skin color alone. We also did not expect him to choose someone who walked away a loser from the Democratic Caucus. But now we totally know what to expect from Democrats.

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On 24 Oct 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

descended from American Black Slaves. She's not. She comes from Slave Owners. That's fine. She's not an American Black. Period.

That's an odd distinction you're making. Are you saying that there ar black Jamaicans? Are you saying that Harris is not an American?

Joe said he was going to choose a black female, and we thought he was doing that to give a hand-up to someone who was a descendant of Democrat-induced slavery.
We did not expect him to choose someone based on skin color alone. We
also did not expect him to choose someone who walked away a loser from
the Democratic Caucus. But now we totally know what to expect from Democrats.

Where do you think black Jamaicans came from, and why?

But be honest: you would not have been happy with whomever he chose.

Jeff.

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On 10-24-21 07:26, Jeff Squires <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Vaccine mandates <=-

Go back and read with understanding. Here is the relevant part:

No you read with understanding, I said this is just the
FIRST result when I did a search for Hydroxychloroquine
clinical trials, there was a list of them but hey you won't
do any research on your own.... Baa baa baa baa...

It is your problem for posting the first post you found without
bothering to take a real look at it. Sounds like sloppy research to me.
If you wish to find reports which really do support your false claim,
then have at it. It is not up to me to find such reports.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Jeff,

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Impeached twice, and oh yeah acquitted twice too.

He was impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and acquitted for political reasons. And he's not in the clear just yet.

He was not acquitted. Although no jury convicted him, he was not
acquitted. There is a difference. A failure to convict is not the
same as acquittal. Some would call it a "hung jury".

He will back in 2024 and this time he will win in a landslide.

Prediction noted. We will see. I don't think he has the will to risk losing
again.

Trump has never made a firm commitment to run for president in 2024,
or in any future election. The man would be age 78 in 2024, and not
in the best of health (physically and/or mentally).

If Republicans want to win the White House, their only chance would
be to nominate someone other than Trump. That is not only my opinion,
but also US Senator Cassidy (R-LA).

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Hello Aaron,

Ever wear one of these cheap Chinese masks for 8 hours of your work
shift, you should be able to notice the fibers that clearly seen by the
naked eye, sure looks like fiberglass material to me, that can not be
healthy. How quaint? A Chinese mask for a Chinese virus.

I understand your dissatisfaction with masks, and surely they won't prevent
all transmissions, but I trust the masks a lot more than I trust the vaccines.

Vaccines + masks = better solution

Would you rather be forced to wear a mask or forced to take an injection?

The president of France tried to impose a nationwide mandate for
people to wear masks. His plan backfired, as there were massive
protests in response. The same would be likely had the POTUS
chosen to go that route. But fortunately for us all, President
Biden had more sense. That way, each of our governors could act
on their own in order to impose their will. And look at the
result. No massive protests anywhere ...

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Hello Aaron,

At a much, much lower rate than unvaccinated people. As such, it works,
and if enough people are vaccinated, we can control this.

Control covid by weakening symptoms and loosening mask requirements?

We can always execute those who are infected, thus eliminating
covid from our ranks.

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Aaron Thomas -> Jeff Thiele expressed precisely :

This is true but also extremely misleading. The *rate* at which
vaccinated people are infected and spread COVID-19 is greatly reduced

by

the vaccines.

When people are diagnosed with covid, there's no "data" to determine if they
were infected by vaccinated people or unvaccinated people.

If you go to a football game, and there is a large crowd, and you
later find you have been infected with covid, how do you know which
fan gave you covid?

When we see people we know, who are vaccinated, and coming down with covid,
there's no statistic in the world that can make us unsee that.

Most folks who know they have been infected with covid go into
quarantine so as not to infect others.

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Hello Jeff,

So you readily admit that your own link doesn't prove your point?

It does prove my point and prove how dishonest you are. Like most
lefties you twist and change things to try to fit your narrative.

You admitted that there were no results. How do no results prove your point?

He believes in magic.

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Hello Jeff,

Except that you seem to be pretty short on them, when it comes

down t

it.

No, have plenty of them unlike you that like to peddle lies.

I'd rather trust the medical community than fringe politics. It's interesting
that you would consider the medical community to be "peddling lies."

Dr. Jill Biden would never lie to us. After all, she is an educator,
and has a certificate to prove it.

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On 25 Oct 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Impeached twice, and oh yeah acquitted twice too.

He was impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and acquitted for political reasons. And he's not in the clear just yet.

He was not acquitted. Although no jury convicted him, he was not acquitted. There is a difference. A failure to convict is not the
same as acquittal. Some would call it a "hung jury".

Fair point, my bad.

Jeff.

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We did not expect him to choose someone based on skin color alone. We also did not expect him to choose someone who walked away a loser fro the Democratic Caucus. But now we totally know what to expect from Democrats.

Where do you think black Jamaicans came from, and why?

It was somebody else who you were having that conversation with. I don't care where she came from; she just needs to apologize for what her and Joe have done, and resign in disgrace, but with dignity ;)

But be honest: you would not have been happy with whomever he chose.

He shouldn't have chosen somebody from the primary. That is a middle finger to the people who voted against her for any particular reasons. I'm sure I'm not the only person who was glad that she lost and then annoyed that she was selected for running mate.

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On 25 Oct 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

We did not expect him to choose someone based on skin color alon also did not expect him to choose someone who walked away a lose the Democratic Caucus. But now we totally know what to expect fr Democrats.

Where do you think black Jamaicans came from, and why?

It was somebody else who you were having that conversation with. I don't care where she came from; she just needs to apologize for what her and
Joe have done, and resign in disgrace, but with dignity ;)

They have done nothing wrong.

But be honest: you would not have been happy with whomever he chose.

He shouldn't have chosen somebody from the primary. That is a middle finger to the people who voted against her for any particular reasons.
I'm sure I'm not the only person who was glad that she lost and then annoyed that she was selected for running mate.

No, it's not. In the earliest days of our country, the winner of the presidential race became president, and the runner-up became vice-president. That was not a middle finger to the people who voted against the runner-up. You're putting words into peoples' mouths again.

Jeff.

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I'd rather trust the medical community than fringe politics. It's interesting that you would consider the medical community to be
"peddling lies."

I don't trust fringe politics, I trust scientists and doctors who not part of the "woke" crowd. The AMA has done more to damage it reputation in the last two years trying to be woke... The hundreds of thousands of people that may have been saved if the AMA was not trying to stick to a political agenda.

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On 25 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

I'd rather trust the medical community than fringe politics. It's interesting that you would consider the medical community to be "peddling lies."

I don't trust fringe politics, I trust scientists and doctors who not
part of the "woke" crowd. The AMA has done more to damage it reputation
in the last two years trying to be woke... The hundreds of thousands of people that may have been saved if the AMA was not trying to stick to a political agenda.

Vaccinations are only a political agenda according to the right. The left
does not see them as political at all.

Jeff.

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Vaccinations are only a political agenda according to the right. The left does not see them as political at all.

Hahahahahaha... I didn't realize it was open mike night at the comedy club...

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On 26 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Vaccinations are only a political agenda according to the right. The does not see them as political at all.

Hahahahahaha... I didn't realize it was open mike night at the comedy club...

It's true. To the left, it's just a vaccine. To the right, it's got
micro-chips in it, is actually a poison, or is some other part of some political scheme. It's just a vaccine, man.

Jeff.

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On 26 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Hahahahahaha... I didn't realize it was open mike night at the comedy club...

Welcome back, by the way. Your abrupt and dramatic departure turned out to be quite short-lived.

Jeff.

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I can point to 100 youtube videos where he is either mumbling or creating gaffes.

Or repeating stories that cannot be true... unless he has the ability to communicate with the dead.


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No, it's not. In the earliest days of our country, the winner of the presidential race became president, and the runner-up became vice-president. That was not a middle finger to the people who voted against the runner-up. You're putting words into peoples' mouths again.

Kamala was nowhere near "runner-up." Bernie Sanders was "runner-up."

Why are you so defensive of them? You're totally lying to defend Democrats,
and you didn't even follow the primary results. They've got ya brainwashed bigtime. The hook must have pierced your mouth around the time Trump started campaigning for 2016.

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On 26 Oct 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

No, it's not. In the earliest days of our country, the winner of the presidential race became president, and the runner-up became vice-president. That was not a middle finger to the people who voted against the runner-up. You're putting words into peoples' mouths agai

Kamala was nowhere near "runner-up." Bernie Sanders was "runner-up."

Any yet, she came from the field of primary candidates.

Why are you so defensive of them? You're totally lying to defend Democrats, and you didn't even follow the primary results. They've got
ya brainwashed bigtime. The hook must have pierced your mouth around the time Trump started campaigning for 2016.

I'm only defensive of them insomuch as you are unfairly trying to accuse them of wrongdoing.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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Hello Jeff,

Vaccinations are only a political agenda according to the right.

The

does not see them as political at all.

Hahahahahaha... I didn't realize it was open mike night at the comedy
club...

It's true. To the left, it's just a vaccine. To the right, it's got micro-chips in it, is actually a poison, or is some other part of some political scheme. It's just a vaccine, man.

According to the president of Brazil the vaccination can cause
AIDS. And it is AIDS that kills people. Not covid, which is a fake
disease. So please. Get your facts straight. And do not believe
Facebook (or Twitter) when it tells you the president of Brazil
does not know what he is talking about.

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Hello Mike,

I can point to 100 youtube videos where he is either mumbling or creating
gaffes.

Or repeating stories that cannot be true... unless he has the ability to communicate with the dead.

I have a ouija board.

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No, it's not. In the earliest days of our country, the winner of the presidential race became president, and the runner-up became vice-president. That was not a middle finger to the people who voted against the runner-up. You're putting words into peoples' mouths again.

Kamala was nowhere near "runner-up." Bernie Sanders was "runner-up."

For real. Kamala got ZERO delegates. She finished in a tie for last with
all the others who got no delegates. Sanders, Bloomberg, and Gabbard all
got delegates. IIRC, Butiggeg (sp?) did, too. Kamala finished tied for
6th, at best.


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Vaccinations are only a political agenda according to the right. does not see them as political at all.

Hahahahahaha... I didn't realize it was open mike night at the comedy club...

It's true. To the left, it's just a vaccine. To the right, it's got micro-chips in it, is actually a poison, or is some other part of some political scheme. It's just a vaccine, man.

No to the left it is a form of control, why else who the reaction be so great over someone not wanting to get a vaccine? If you have been vaccinated why would you worry if some one else is not? Unless you want to control them...

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Welcome back, by the way. Your abrupt and dramatic departure turned out
to be quite short-lived.

Sorry to disappoint you, I was asked back to keep you in check.

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On 28 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Vaccinations are only a political agenda according to the r does not see them as political at all.

Hahahahahaha... I didn't realize it was open mike night at the c club...

It's true. To the left, it's just a vaccine. To the right, it's got micro-chips in it, is actually a poison, or is some other part of som political scheme. It's just a vaccine, man.

No to the left it is a form of control, why else who the reaction be so great over someone not wanting to get a vaccine? If you have been vaccinated why would you worry if some one else is not? Unless you want
to control them...

Because it's a pandemic involving a highly contagious disease. If the vaccine only affected the person who did or didn't get it, that would be one thing,
but that's not the case here.

Jeff.

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On 28 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Welcome back, by the way. Your abrupt and dramatic departure turned o to be quite short-lived.

Sorry to disappoint you, I was asked back to keep you in check.

I see. Well, good luck with that. So far you're underperforming.

Jeff.

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Welcome back, by the way. Your abrupt and dramatic departure turned out to be quite short-lived.

Sorry to disappoint you, I was asked back to keep you in check.

Welcome back. Glad you returned.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

If he wanted a woman, he should have looked no further than Elizabeth Warren. I think she was in 3rd place. She's part native american,
that's an even slimmer minority than blacks in this country. But he insisted "she's got to be black."

But Warren didn't *LOOK* native American. Remember, the Dems are all about image - not substance.

Just look at the appointees and nominees in the Biden Admin. They were all chosen because of their group identity - not because they were actually competent at the job.


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No to the left it is a form of control, why else who the reaction be great over someone not wanting to get a vaccine? If you have been vaccinated why would you worry if some one else is not? Unless you wa to control them...

Because it's a pandemic involving a highly contagious disease. If the vaccine only affected the person who did or didn't get it, that would be one thing, but that's not the case here.

So you are proving my point, you want to control people...
With 99.7% of adults in the Irish county of Waterford having received the COVID shots, they have the highest per-capita case rate of COVID anywhere in the country. Are you now going to suggest it's the fault of the 0.3%
Every year we have between 12,000 and 61,000 deaths from influenza and between 300,000 and 900,000 hospitalizations. Why don't we mandate the flu vaccine?

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On 31 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

No to the left it is a form of control, why else who the reactio great over someone not wanting to get a vaccine? If you have bee vaccinated why would you worry if some one else is not? Unless y to control them...

Because it's a pandemic involving a highly contagious disease. If the vaccine only affected the person who did or didn't get it, that would one thing, but that's not the case here.

So you are proving my point, you want to control people...

Controlling people and keeping people safe and healthy are not the same
thing. If you drive on the wrong side of the road, you could face
consequences, but I don't see you claiming that traffic laws are an attempt
to "control people."

Regarding the border situation, it sounds very much like you want to "control people." Most government policies, left or right, can be construed as "controlling people."

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

Every year we have between 12,000 and 61,000 deaths from
influenza and between 300,000 and 900,000 hospitalizations. Why don't
we mandate the flu vaccine?

I don't think there is a flu vaccine or maybe it would be mandated. There is only a yearly flu shot that you can get if you want it.

The flu and the corona virus are not the same/similar. Since the start of the pandemic there have been over 44,000,000 cases and over 740,000 deaths from covid-19 in the USA according to usafacts.org.

The flu results in 12,000 - 52,000 deaths in a year.

Ttyl :-),
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Just look at the appointees and nominees in the Biden Admin. They were all chosen because of their group identity - not because they were actually competent at the job.

But there's more to it: They were appointed for being extremists. That was the only qualification that was more important than skin color.

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On 30 Oct 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Just look at the appointees and nominees in the Biden Admin. They we all chosen because of their group identity - not because they were actually competent at the job.

But there's more to it: They were appointed for being extremists. That
was the only qualification that was more important than skin color.

How many incompetent people did Trump appoint/hire? But don't take my word
for it; here's a list of people that *Trump himself* said were incompetent:

John Bolton
Michael Cohen
Steve Bannon
Omarosa Manigault Newman
Jerome Powell
Anthony Scaramucci
Jeff Sessions
Rex Tillerson
John Kelly

Surely Trump knows what he's talking about, right?

Jeff.

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On 30 Oct 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Just look at the appointees and nominees in the Biden Admin. They we all chosen because of their group identity - not because they were actually competent at the job.

But there's more to it: They were appointed for being extremists. That
was the only qualification that was more important than skin color.

Also, are you trying to correlate incompetence with skin color?

Because it sure sounds like you're trying to correlate incompetence with skin color.

And that's racist. But you knew that.

Jeff.

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I don't think there is a flu vaccine or maybe it would be mandated. There is o
y a yearly flu shot that you can get if you want it.

What do you think that flu shot is, Alan? Here they call it the yearly flu vaccination.


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Hello Mike,

I don't think there is a flu vaccine or maybe it would be mandated.
There is o y a yearly flu shot that you can get if you want it.

What do you think that flu shot is, Alan? Here they call it the
yearly flu vaccination.

It's called the flu shot here although it is a vaccine.

The flu changes yearly so there is a new flu shot every year.

It's possible we may see a yearly updated shot for the coronavirus if it changes as much as the flu does. Time will tell.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

Just look at the appointees and nominees in the Biden Admin. They were all chosen because of their group identity - not because they were actually competent at the job.

But there's more to it: They were appointed for being extremists. That
was the only qualification that was more important than skin color.

And, I believe, their ability to follow instructions from whoever is pulling the puppet strings.


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But there's more to it: They were appointed for being extremists. Tha was the only qualification that was more important than skin color.

How many incompetent people did Trump appoint/hire? But don't take my
word for it; here's a list of people that *Trump himself* said were incompetent:

Extremist is worse than incompetent.

Surely Trump knows what he's talking about, right?

No, Trump is bad at selecting people for posts. Biden isn't bad at it; Biden
is purposefully selecting the most extreme, most liberal people. What for? Why be so extremely cruel to 49% of the country? (conservatives.) A more balanced liberal/conservative agenda would be more appropriate, seeing how Biden knows that 49% (approximately) of the country is conservative. He's giving us all
the middle finger with his extreme policies and their effects.

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Just look at the appointees and nominees in the Biden Admin. Th all chosen because of their group identity - not because they we actually competent at the job.

But there's more to it: They were appointed for being extremists. Tha was the only qualification that was more important than skin color.

Also, are you trying to correlate incompetence with skin color?

No. I didn't say that they were incompetent. I said that they are extremists. That doesn't have anything to do with qualifications. But for some reason Democrats pretend that skin color is a qualification.

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I don't think there is a flu vaccine or maybe it would be mandated.
There is o y a yearly flu shot that you can get if you want it.

What do you think that flu shot is, Alan? Here they call it the
yearly flu vaccination.

It's called the flu shot here although it is a vaccine.

The flu changes yearly so there is a new flu shot every year.

It's possible we may see a yearly updated shot for the coronavirus if it chang
as much as the flu does. Time will tell.

Which goes back to the original poster's question... why isn't the annual
flu vaccine mandatory if the COVID one should be? While the flu does not
kill at pandemic levels every year, certain strains sure have. Our last pandemic, 100 years ago, was a flu, and there have been several other
killer flus since.

So saying it doesn't kill enough people annually *recently* to warant being mandatory is not a very good reason considering that it can. Until 2020, a coronavirus had never caused this much trouble.


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Hello Mike,

Which goes back to the original poster's question... why isn't the
annual flu vaccine mandatory if the COVID one should be?

Because the flu is not seen to be as big an issue.

I take the flu shot yearly because it's a good thing. I took the coronavirus vaccine for the same reason.

While the flu does not kill at pandemic levels every year, certain
strains sure have. Our last pandemic, 100 years ago, was a flu, and
there have been several other killer flus since.

Yes, medical science would like to solve the flu and everything else that ails us if they could. Maybe the flu will be solved one day.

So saying it doesn't kill enough people annually *recently* to warant being mandatory is not a very good reason considering that it can.
Until 2020, a coronavirus had never caused this much trouble.

The flu shot is there for you if you want it so that is half the battle.

The coronavirus is different than the flu. We are (I think) just coming out of the fourth wave since the coronavirus struck and we may be in for more if it can't be controlled.

Vaccines are mandated to control illness, not people.

If you want the flu vaccine mandated as well you can talk to your government and/or health agencies. If they agree with your position they may go ahead and do that.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 01 Nov 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

But there's more to it: They were appointed for being extremists was the only qualification that was more important than skin col

How many incompetent people did Trump appoint/hire? But don't take my word for it; here's a list of people that *Trump himself* said were incompetent:

Extremist is worse than incompetent.

Biden's appointees aren't extremists.

Surely Trump knows what he's talking about, right?

No, Trump is bad at selecting people for posts. Biden isn't bad at it; Biden is purposefully selecting the most extreme, most liberal people. What for? Why be so extremely cruel to 49% of the country? (conservatives.) A more balanced liberal/conservative agenda would be
more appropriate, seeing how Biden knows that 49% (approximately) of the country is conservative. He's giving us all the middle finger with his extreme policies and their effects.

I think there are far more liberal people than those that Biden has selected. But the truth is, you wouldn't be happy with anyone Biden selected unless
they were conservative. So your assessment is somewhat biased.

Biden won, Trump lost. Elections have consequences.

Jeff.

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On 01 Nov 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Just look at the appointees and nominees in the Biden Admin all chosen because of their group identity - not because th actually competent at the job.

But there's more to it: They were appointed for being extremists was the only qualification that was more important than skin col

Also, are you trying to correlate incompetence with skin color?

No. I didn't say that they were incompetent. I said that they are extremists. That doesn't have anything to do with qualifications. But
for some reason Democrats pretend that skin color is a qualification.

I see. So you think skin color is a qualification to Democrats, which leads Democrats to appoint extremists and incompetents.

Jeff.

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But there's more to it: They were appointed for being extremists. Tha was the only qualification that was more important than skin color.

And, I believe, their ability to follow instructions from whoever is pulling the puppet strings.

They will all share a bond with the most extreme president I've ever seen. Probably what that means, is expect a lot more slimeballs to end up resigning in disgrace.

Joe's pal Andy Cuomo is getting ready for sex offender court, from what I understand. He would have fit right in with the pile of losers Joe is
carefully selecting, had he become Joe's secretary of state, like Joe had originally planned.

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The coronavirus is different than the flu. We are (I think) just coming out of
he fourth wave since the coronavirus struck and we may be in for more if it ca
t be controlled.

Vaccines are mandated to control illness, not people.

Except the version they would be mandating is not nearly as effective
against the current strain of COVID, which means you are not really
controling the virus, either.


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Extremist is worse than incompetent.

Biden's appointees aren't extremists.

Tree-spiking isn't extreme enough for you?

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I see. So you think skin color is a qualification to Democrats, which leads Democrats to appoint extremists and incompetents.

You're the only person calling them incompetent. I'll call them extremists and/or color minorities.

I'll call Joe incompetent though. All he wants to do is get his greasy fingers on our money, but people are too smart to let it happen. He's an incompetent criminal.

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On 03 Nov 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Extremist is worse than incompetent.

Biden's appointees aren't extremists.

Tree-spiking isn't extreme enough for you?

She didn't spike any trees. She sent a letter letting people know that trees had been spiked because cutting down spiked trees is dangerous. She also testified against the people who placed the spikes.

Jeff.

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On 03 Nov 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I see. So you think skin color is a qualification to Democrats, which leads Democrats to appoint extremists and incompetents.

You're the only person calling them incompetent. I'll call them
extremists and/or color minorities.

Ron called them incompetent, and you agreed.

So now you're saying that "color minorities" are extremists?

Jeff.

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On 03 Nov 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I see. So you think skin color is a qualification to Democrats, which leads Democrats to appoint extremists and incompetents.

I'll call Joe incompetent though. All he wants to do is get his greasy fingers on our money, but people are too smart to let it happen. He's an incompetent criminal.

Presidents don't normally touch tax money. Trump had a pretty good grift
going with charging the government to house his entourage in his own hotels, though.

Jeff.

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Hello Mike,

Vaccines are mandated to control illness, not people.

Except the version they would be mandating is not nearly as effective against the current strain of COVID, which means you are not really controling the virus, either.

I don't know where you get that idea from. The efficacy of the vaccine is well known now.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 03 Nov 2021, Alan Ianson said the following...

Except the version they would be mandating is not nearly as effective against the current strain of COVID, which means you are not really controling the virus, either.

I don't know where you get that idea from. The efficacy of the vaccine
is well known now.

Except that even against the newer variants, the efficacy of the vaccine is still well, well above 0%.

Honestly, I don't know how such otherwise bright people become such freaking morons when politics is involved.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

Except that even against the newer variants, the efficacy of the
vaccine is still well, well above 0%.

I think it's above 90% but I don't know the exact number.

Honestly, I don't know how such otherwise bright people become such freaking morons when politics is involved.

There is a so much misinformation being presented as fact by organizations like fox news, newsmax, oann and others that it is hard for even the brightest people to get to the truth, assuming that truth is what they seek to begin with.

Most of it politically motivated.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-

So saying it doesn't kill enough people annually *recently* to warant being mandatory is not a very good reason considering that it can.
Until 2020, a coronavirus had never caused this much trouble.

That's because until 2020, a coronavirus never was politicized.

COVID has a 99%+ recovery rate. It's not a problem. Every single "COVID problem" was caused by a gov't's response to COVID - not COVID itself.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

No. I didn't say that they were incompetent. I said that they are extremists. That doesn't have anything to do with qualifications. But
for some reason Democrats pretend that skin color is a qualification.

That's because Democrats are the racists that they accuse everyone else of being.


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Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-

Vaccines are mandated to control illness, not people.

Except the version they would be mandating is not nearly as effective against the current strain of COVID, which means you are not really controling the virus, either.

But the version they are mandating didn't stop people from getting and spreading COVID either. It was always a theraputic: to help people who get COVID from dying (if a side effect of the not-vax didn't get them).

The problem here is the normal Leftie redefinition of terms to suit their Narrative.

We all have in our minds a definition of "vaccine". When someone calls something a "vaccine" we expect it to have certain properties based on our personal definition.

So the Lefties and their Propaganda Ministry keep pushing the not-vax as a "vaccine". They are taking advantage of the fact that people have different expectations of a "vaccine" than what the not-vax offers.

So, back to Alan: He makes a correct assertion "Vaccines are mandated to control illness". But in this sentance, he's using the correct definition of "vaccine", not the perverted Leftie definition. Therefore his assertion has no meaning for the COVID not-vax.


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On 03 Nov 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...

So saying it doesn't kill enough people annually *recently* to warant being mandatory is not a very good reason considering that it can. Until 2020, a coronavirus had never caused this much trouble.

That's because until 2020, a coronavirus never was politicized.
COVID has a 99%+ recovery rate. It's not a problem. Every single "COVID problem" was caused by a gov't's response to COVID - not COVID itself.

Wow, I agree with Ron on something! (Well, sort of.)

A 99% recovery rate means that 1 in 100 people don't recover. Multiply that
by the population of the US or of the world, and that's a lot of people who don't recover.

The 700,000+ Americans so far who did not recover (but died of COVID instead) is definitely a "COVID problem" that was certainly exacerbated, but not
caused, by the Trump administration's horrible response to COVID. Denying and downplaying did not solve the "COVID problem."

Jeff.

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On 03 Nov 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...

No. I didn't say that they were incompetent. I said that they are extremists. That doesn't have anything to do with qualifications. But for some reason Democrats pretend that skin color is a qualification.

That's because Democrats are the racists that they accuse everyone else
of being.

Nah, the racists are the people complaining about the Biden administration hiring/appointing people of color.

Jeff.

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Controlling people and keeping people safe and healthy are not the same thing.

Your right, telling kids they have to wear mask for 8 hours in school is controlling them, telling someone they have to get a vaccine or they loose there job is controlling them. If the vaccine is so great then why do those who have the vaccine worry about those who don't? If the vaccine for covid is so important why not mandate one for the flu and Pneumonia?

Regarding the border situation, it sounds very much like you want to "control people." Most government policies, left or right, can be construed as "controlling people."

No, I want the government to control the border much like I control my front door. As far as much government policies, I am for limited government so control if any as to a minimum.

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Vaccines are mandated to control illness, not people.

Except the version they would be mandating is not nearly as effective against the current strain of COVID, which means you are not really controling the virus, either.

I don't know where you get that idea from. The efficacy of the vaccine is well
nown now.

It, especially the Pfizer version, is not nearly as effective against
DELTA, which is the strain going around right now. That is why vaccinated people still need a mask, and are still getting sick at greater rates than
the original stated 90%+ efficacy rates would have allowed for.

There are enough vaccinated people getting sick that the vaccine is not "controlling" the virus, just lessening the blow. I personally take
vaccines not to get sick at all, not just to get less sick or not feel sick
at all but contagious to others (and, therefore, spreading it!).

The lower efficacy against DELTA is well known. Not sure what is well known
in Alanland.


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So, back to Alan: He makes a correct assertion "Vaccines are mandated to control illness". But in this sentance, he's using the correct definition of "vaccine", not the perverted Leftie definition. Therefore his assertion has n
meaning for the COVID not-vax.

Understood. :)


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Hello Jeff,

Every year we have between 12,000 and 61,000 deaths from
influenza and between 300,000 and 900,000 hospitalizations. Why don't we mandate the flu vaccine?

I don't think there is a flu vaccine or maybe it would be mandated.
There is only a yearly flu shot that you can get if you want it.

Al, what do think the flu shot is? It's a vaccine to protect you from getting the flu.

The flu and the corona virus are not the same/similar. Since the start
of the pandemic there have been over 44,000,000 cases and over 740,000 deaths from covid-19 in the USA according to usafacts.org.

So how many deaths from a disease do we start a vaccine mandate with? BTW if for say 2 years from now you suffer severe issues from the Covid vaccine who do you sue? Let's face it there is no track record for it yet...

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On 04 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Controlling people and keeping people safe and healthy are not the sa thing.

Your right, telling kids they have to wear mask for 8 hours in school is controlling them, telling someone they have to get a vaccine or they
loose there job is controlling them. If the vaccine is so great then why do those who have the vaccine worry about those who don't? If the
vaccine for covid is so important why not mandate one for the flu and Pneumonia?

COVID-19 is both much more contagious and more deadly than the flu. Pneumonia is a more generic term for an infection of the lungs; it could be caused by a virus, bacteria, or fungi and this means that there is no specific "pneumonia vaccine."

The vaccines do work, but are not perfect. A vaccinated person, while reasonably protected, is far more likely to get infected by a non-vaccinated person than vice-versa.

Mask-wearing helps, too. The sooner we can get COVID-19 under control, the sooner we can start relaxing the safety measures. But the people who refuse
to get vaccinated, wear masks, or social distance are holding us back.

Regarding the border situation, it sounds very much like you want to "control people." Most government policies, left or right, can be construed as "controlling people."

No, I want the government to control the border much like I control my front door. As far as much government policies, I am for limited government so control if any as to a minimum.

You want the government to keep people from crossing the border, correct?
That sure sounds like controlling people. Not that I condone letting just anyone across the border, but it sonds very much like you don't want the government controlling you, but it's ok for the government to control people that you disagree with.

Jeff.

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Hello Mike,

It, especially the Pfizer version, is not nearly as effective against DELTA, which is the strain going around right now. That is why
vaccinated people still need a mask, and are still getting sick at
greater rates than the original stated 90%+ efficacy rates would have allowed for.

The vaccine is very effective against coronavirus, greater than 90%.

There are enough vaccinated people getting sick that the vaccine is
not "controlling" the virus, just lessening the blow. I personally
take vaccines not to get sick at all, not just to get less sick or not feel sick at all but contagious to others (and, therefore, spreading
it!).

The unvaccinated are the ones getting sick regardless of variant.

The lower efficacy against DELTA is well known. Not sure what is well known in Alanland.

The delta variant took off as variants will do. That's why it is a good idea to get vaccinated. The vaccinated can get sick too but don't need hospitalization or die from the sickness the way the unvaccinated do.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Jeff,

Al, what do think the flu shot is? It's a vaccine to protect you from getting the flu.

It is but since the flu changes from year to year you need to get a shot every year.

It seems folks want one shot that will do for life but the flu and probably corona virus change over time.

So how many deaths from a disease do we start a vaccine mandate with?

The flu has never been such a threat that a mandate was wanted/needed. I take the flu shot myself just to be safe, not because it is mandated.

BTW if for say 2 years from now you suffer severe issues from the
Covid vaccine who do you sue?

Who do you want to sue? Why?

Let's face it there is no track record for it yet...

True but there is data to look at.

Ttyl :-),
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Ron called them incompetent, and you agreed.

I didn't see it that way.

So now you're saying that "color minorities" are extremists?

They totally are.

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That's because Democrats are the racists that they accuse everyone el of being.

Nah, the racists are the people complaining about the Biden
administration hiring/appointing people of color.

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On 04 Nov 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Ron called them incompetent, and you agreed.

I didn't see it that way.

Perhaps not, but that's now it appeared. Ron said they were incompetent and
you said that extremism was the only thing more important than skin color.
You didn't specifically mention incompetence, but your ranking system clearly places competence as at best a tertiary concern.

So now you're saying that "color minorities" are extremists?

They totally are.

I see. So every person of color is an extremist in your point of view. What
do you see as the agenda of these "extremists?"

Jeff.

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On 04 Nov 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

That's because Democrats are the racists that they accuse everyo of being.

Nah, the racists are the people complaining about the Biden administration hiring/appointing people of color.

It's fine to appoint people of color, but it's not fine to brag about it.

Commitment to including minorities in the governance of their country is not "bragging."

You, on the other hand, are definitely complaining about "extremist" people of color being appointed/hired to government positions.

And in case you feel like denying saying that all people of color are extremists, I would refer you back to your previous post where you said quite clearly that "color minorities" "totally are" extremists.

So, "totally fine," you say? You're not very convincing with that.

Jeff.

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It, especially the Pfizer version, is not nearly as effective against DELTA, which is the strain going around right now. That is why vaccinated people still need a mask, and are still getting sick at greater rates than the original stated 90%+ efficacy rates would have allowed for.

The vaccine is very effective against coronavirus, greater than 90%.

Pfizer's is not 90% against the delta variant. Even my
Democrat-to-the-core, believe-everyone-should-get-a-shot father knows
better than that.

There are enough vaccinated people getting sick that the vaccine is
not "controlling" the virus, just lessening the blow. I personally
take vaccines not to get sick at all, not just to get less sick or not feel sick at all but contagious to others (and, therefore, spreading it!).

The unvaccinated are the ones getting sick regardless of variant.

Here people are getting sick regardless of vaccination. One of my fully vaxed co-workers died of COVID a month ago. They were only sick, and in the hospital, because of COVID, and they were not "old."

The lower efficacy against DELTA is well known. Not sure what is well known in Alanland.

The delta variant took off as variants will do. That's why it is a good idea t
get vaccinated. The vaccinated can get sick too but don't need hospitalization
r die from the sickness the way the unvaccinated do.

Yes, and the Pfizer vaccine is not as effective against delta as was
originally advertised (90%).

Again, read above. They can indeed need hospitalization, a ventilator, and
can die. You didn't say "the chances are less," you said "don't." If you believe they "don't," you are taking your life in your own hands as much as someone who does not vaccinate.


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That's because Democrats are the racists that they accuse everyone e
of being.

Nah, the racists are the people complaining about the Biden administration hiring/appointing people of color.

It's fine to appoint people of color, but it's not fine to brag about it.

No, the problem is when you state that it is the only qualification you are looking for. Not only should that be wrong, you are pretty much shrinking
that person down to where they are only a "woman of color" and nothing else. That isn't right.


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So how many deaths from a disease do we start a vaccine mandate with?

The flu has never been such a threat that a mandate was wanted/needed.

How old are you? There have been at least two flu epidemics in the past 50 years. I believe there was at least one other one in the 1960's, but I was
not alive then to remember it.

If pretending the flu has never been such a threat is the only way you can
make your arguement, so be it. It just makes your arguement faulty and incorrect.


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Hello Mike,

Pfizer's is not 90% against the delta variant. Even my Democrat-to-the-core, believe-everyone-should-get-a-shot father knows better than that.

The delta variant was unknown at the time the vaccine was developed.

The unvaccinated are the ones getting sick regardless of variant.

Here people are getting sick regardless of vaccination. One of my
fully vaxed co-workers died of COVID a month ago. They were only
sick, and in the hospital, because of COVID, and they were not "old."

I'm sorry to hear that but that one case doesn't mean that the vaccine is ineffective. It was largely the unvaccinated who were getting covid. That's just a fact.

Yes, and the Pfizer vaccine is not as effective against delta as was originally advertised (90%).

The delta variant highly transmissible and did a lot of damage but the vaccine is still the best defence we have today.

Again, read above. They can indeed need hospitalization, a
ventilator, and can die. You didn't say "the chances are less," you
said "don't." If you believe they "don't," you are taking your life
in your own hands as much as someone who does not vaccinate.

Yes, they can. All I'm saying is that you are (much) better off being vaccinated. That's just a fact.

Ttyl :-),
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Hello Mike,

How old are you?

I'm going to guess 10 years older than you, does it matter?

There have been at least two flu epidemics in the past 50 years. I believe there was at least one other one in the 1960's, but I was not alive then to remember it.

In spite of that the flu is not seen to be as big a threat so there has never been a push for a mandate.

If pretending the flu has never been such a threat is the only way you
can make your arguement, so be it. It just makes your arguement
faulty and incorrect.

I'm not pretending anything. I am not saying the flu or covid vaccine should or should not be mandated. I'm just stating the obvious.

Both vaccines are available to anyone who wants it. Isn't that enough?

Ttyl :-),
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On 05 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Here people are getting sick regardless of vaccination. One of my fully vaxed co-workers died of COVID a month ago. They were only sick, and in the hospital, because of COVID, and they were not "old."

That is true, but misleading. Vaccinated people have a much higher, although not perfect, resistance to COVID-19 than non-vaccinated people. This also applies to the delta variant, although the protection that the vaccine
provides against the delta variant is less that that provided against the original variant.

Although some vaccinated people are becoming infected, the rate of infection
is far lower than that of unvaccinated individuals.

I know that you've been told this before. Your continued reliance on this
piece of misinformation is intentional ignorance and disingenuity.

Jeff.

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On 05 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

That's because Democrats are the racists that they accuse ever e
of being.

Nah, the racists are the people complaining about the Biden administration hiring/appointing people of color.

It's fine to appoint people of color, but it's not fine to brag about it

No, the problem is when you state that it is the only qualification you are looking for. Not only should that be wrong, you are pretty much shrinking that person down to where they are only a "woman of color" and nothing else. That isn't right.

No one stated that skin color was the only qualification. Primary, yes. Only, no.

Jeff.

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On 05 Nov 2021, Alan Ianson said the following...

Yes, they can. All I'm saying is that you are (much) better off being vaccinated. That's just a fact.

Perhaps if we put it into conservative speak:

Refusing the vaccine is bad for the economy.

Getting the vaccine creates jobs and stimulates the economy. It enriches the job-creators at the multibillion-dollar pharmaceutical conglomerates that produce the vaccine. It creates jobs for people who transport the vaccine. It creates jobs for people who give the vaccines.

Do what's right for America. Get vaccinated.

Make America Immune Again.

Jeff.

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Pfizer's is not 90% against the delta variant. Even my Democrat-to-the-core, believe-everyone-should-get-a-shot father knows better than that.

The delta variant was unknown at the time the vaccine was developed.

Correct. 90% effective rate dates to before delta, which is why you cannot still make that claim now because delta is known now and it is not as
effective against it.

Yes, they can. All I'm saying is that you are (much) better off being vaccinate
. That's just a fact.

Now you are starting to make sense. :)

The problem that the pro-vax crowd has in regards to the anti-vax crowd is
that they try to use half-truths (still 90% effective, you don't need a
mask any more, etc.) when dealing with the anti-vaxers. While I am sure
that some of them are dumb enough not to know better, most of the ones I
talk to are not. They understand that Delta has changed the game again,
and started doing so several months ago.

IMHO, the pro-vax crowd that sticks with the original message, without
updating for the current situation, are part of the problem. Maybe they
don't want to adapt and admit the vax is not perfect because they are
afraid it weakens the message, but they come across as dishonest to someone that knows better.

Mandates that don't take into account the fluid situation are not going to work, i.e. "get a shot or get fired." Other mandates, like "get a shot, or
you will wear a mask and get tested once a week" make more sense, although
they still do not take into account the fact that the vaccinated really
need to keep wearing masks, too.


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There have been at least two flu epidemics in the past 50 years. I believe there was at least one other one in the 1960's, but I was not alive then to remember it.

In spite of that the flu is not seen to be as big a threat so there has never en a push for a mandate.

It is not as big of a threat *right now*, but it has been seen as such in
the very recent past, and it certainly could be in the future.


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Here people are getting sick regardless of vaccination. One of my fully >MP> vaxed co-workers died of COVID a month ago. They were only sick, and in >MP> the hospital, because of COVID, and they were not "old."

That is true, but misleading. Vaccinated people have a much higher, although not perfect, resistance to COVID-19 than non-vaccinated people. This also applies to the delta variant, although the protection that the vaccine provides against the delta variant is less that that provided against the original variant.

The statement that vaccinated people "don't" get COVID and "don't" require hospitalization, which is what my comments were in response to, was
misleading. You seem to miss that. Matter of fact, my response went on to point out that if the previous poster had said "less likely to" instead of "don't", he would have been correct!

I know that you've been told this before. Your continued reliance on this piece of misinformation is intentional ignorance and disingenuity.

Yes, I have, and if you'd bothered to pay attention to the discussion,
you'd have picked that up. I suspect you just pretended to miss the specific wording of what my words were in response to, which shows some very
intentional disingenuity, boardering on complete dishonesty.

I have come to expect this whenever the Jeff-T Twist music starts, so I am
not in the least bit shocked. I used to be willing to believe it might be
poor reading comprehension skills. Not any more.


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No, the problem is when you state that it is the only qualification you are looking for. Not only should that be wrong, you are pretty much shrinking that person down to where they are only a "woman of color" and nothing else. That isn't right.

No one stated that skin color was the only qualification. Primary, yes. Only, no.

It was the primary stated qualification. Still should be wrong, and still shrinks the person in question down to where they are primarily a "woman of color" and not much else, which is not right.

In the specific situation of the choice in question, it shows badly, too.


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On 06 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Here people are getting sick regardless of vaccination. One of my fu >MP> vaxed co-workers died of COVID a month ago. They were only sick, and >MP> the hospital, because of COVID, and they were not "old."

That is true, but misleading. Vaccinated people have a much higher, alth not perfect, resistance to COVID-19 than non-vaccinated people. This als applies to the delta variant, although the protection that the vaccine provides against the delta variant is less that that provided against th original variant.

The statement that vaccinated people "don't" get COVID and "don't"
require hospitalization, which is what my comments were in response to, was misleading. You seem to miss that. Matter of fact, my response
went on to point out that if the previous poster had said "less likely
to" instead of "don't", he would have been correct!

My apologies, then. I stand corrected.

Jeff.

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On 06 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

No, the problem is when you state that it is the only qualification are looking for. Not only should that be wrong, you are pretty muc shrinking that person down to where they are only a "woman of color nothing else. That isn't right.

No one stated that skin color was the only qualification. Primary, yes. no.

It was the primary stated qualification. Still should be wrong, and
still shrinks the person in question down to where they are primarily a "woman of color" and not much else, which is not right.

There were obvious unstated qualifications as well, just as there was an unstated qualification throughout much of our nation's history that
appointees be white men.

The only way to change that is to normalize people of color in appointee positions.

Jeff.

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So now you're saying that "color minorities" are extremists?

They totally are.

I see. So every person of color is an extremist in your point of view. What do you see as the agenda of these "extremists?"

Biden's appointees are extremists, but since I'm a white guy making that statement, nevermind, I'm the extremist, and they're not.

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It's fine to appoint people of color, but it's not fine to brag about it

No, the problem is when you state that it is the only qualification you are looking for. Not only should that be wrong, you are pretty much shrinking that person down to where they are only a "woman of color" and nothing else. That isn't right.

Yea if Joe's so concerned about including people of color, then he should resign, because he's not a person of color, and some of his appointees look pretty pale as well.

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On 06 Nov 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

So now you're saying that "color minorities" are extremists

They totally are.

I see. So every person of color is an extremist in your point of view What do you see as the agenda of these "extremists?"

Biden's appointees are extremists, but since I'm a white guy making that statement, nevermind, I'm the extremist, and they're not.

And I ask again, what do you see as the agenda of these "extremists?"

Jeff.

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On 06 Nov 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

It's fine to appoint people of color, but it's not fine to brag abo

No, the problem is when you state that it is the only qualification y are looking for. Not only should that be wrong, you are pretty much shrinking that person down to where they are only a "woman of color" nothing else. That isn't right.

Yea if Joe's so concerned about including people of color, then he should resign, because he's not a person of color, and some of his appointees look pretty pale as well.

Wait, I thought you said the primary qualification was skin color. You seem confused.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

Ron called them incompetent, and you agreed.

I didn't see it that way.

Perhaps not, but that's now it appeared. Ron said they were incompetent and
you said that extremism was the only thing more important than skin color. You didn't specifically mention incompetence, but your ranking system clearly
places competence as at best a tertiary concern.

Has nothing to do with competence. Most white folks voted for Trump.
Most black folks voted for Biden. Each race had its own primary reason
for voting the way they did.

So now you're saying that "color minorities" are extremists?

They totally are.

I see. So every person of color is an extremist in your point of view. What
do you see as the agenda of these "extremists?"

I did not know that Colin Powell was an extremist.
I did not know that Condoleezza Rice was an extremist.
I did not know that all persons of color who served
this country are extremists. But now I know, thanks
to Aaron. I am sure David Duke would approve his
message.

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Hello Aaron,

That's because Democrats are the racists that they accuse

everyone el

of being.

Nah, the racists are the people complaining about the Biden
administration hiring/appointing people of color.

It's fine to appoint people of color, but it's not fine to brag about it.

Why not?

Colin Powell was a fine man, both as an officer and a gentleman.
And Condoleezza Rice is a fine woman. As are most other folks,
regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation.

Most Americans are proud of them, as they have served our country
well. And there are so many others who have served this country, and
continue to serve our country with honor and distinction. So what is
your problem? Why do you hate folks who are different than you?

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COVID-19 is both much more contagious and more deadly than the flu. Pneumonia is a more generic term for an infection of the lungs; it could be caused by a virus, bacteria, or fungi and this means that there is no specific "pneumonia vaccine."

I see so it's a acceptable death level then right? So what is your acceptable death level before you want to mandate a vaccine? ... Here is the problem In the Irish County of Waterford they have a 99.7% vax rate and yet one Waterford city district at a 14-day incidence rate of 1,486 cases per 100,000 of the population, Waterford has the highest incidence rate of anywhere in Ireland. So how do you explain this? Well experts have and this issue is the vaccine is leaky and can be counterproductive. Wait what leaky? Yes there is many studies with facts and figures to back this up. Here is a good article on it: https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-irish-county-with-99-7-vaccination-rate
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UhOh, you won't read that will you because it it is on the Blaze which is Glenn Becks news site and you believe that all he says are lies....
On another note has it been six months since your vaccine shot? Better go get another because a major study show that after 6 months it's efficacy plummets.

Mask-wearing helps, too. The sooner we can get COVID-19 under control,
the sooner we can start relaxing the safety measures. But the people who refuse to get vaccinated, wear masks, or social distance are holding us back.

Will we get covid under control? Does mask wearing help? We see by countries that are getting to very high levels of vaccination the level of covid is going up too.

No, I want the government to control the border much like I control m front door. As far as much government policies, I am for limited government so control if any as to a minimum.

You want the government to keep people from crossing the border, correct? That sure sounds like controlling people. Not that I condone letting just anyone across the border, but it sonds very much like you don't want the government controlling you, but it's ok for the government to control people that you disagree with.

I so dislike how you try to twist and turn what I and other people say to fit your narrative. I plainly said what I wanted and you try to insinuate that I want to control people. If my front door is locked people can't get into my house. If the government secures it's border than people can't cross it without coming through legally. Do we need to change our immigration laws yes, most certainly. Do we need to stop sending the wrong message to other countries about immigration, again yes.

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Al, what do think the flu shot is? It's a vaccine to protect you from getting the flu.

It is but since the flu changes from year to year you need to get a shot every year.

Yes and if you get the Covid vaccine you are most likely going to need a "booster" every year for the rest of your life as studies have now shown the efficacy plummets after 6 months.

So how many deaths from a disease do we start a vaccine mandate with?

The flu has never been such a threat that a mandate was wanted/needed. I take the flu shot myself just to be safe, not because it is mandated.

As do I so if I do get the flu it will not likely be as bad. But you didn't answer my question.

BTW if for say 2 years from now you suffer severe issues from the Covid vaccine who do you sue?

Who do you want to sue? Why?

I am not saying I want to sue anyone, what I am saying is that what if say two years from now we see people getting a strange form of cancer and it is linked back to a covid vaccine, what then? You can sue the pharmaceutical company so I guess you would be SOL.

Let's face it there is no track record for it yet...

True but there is data to look at.

Yes and the more data we are getting the worse things are looking...

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Hello Mike,

The delta variant was unknown at the time the vaccine was developed.

Correct. 90% effective rate dates to before delta, which is why you cannot still make that claim now because delta is known now and it is
not as effective against it.

The vaccine is every bit as effective as it has always been.

The delta variant is nearly twice as contagious as earlier variants and might cause more severe illness. Here's a quick read from the Mayo Clinic.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-variant-vaccine

Yes, they can. All I'm saying is that you are (much) better off being
vaccinate . That's just a fact.

Now you are starting to make sense. :)

I was always making sense. It is you who is spreading misinformation.

The problem that the pro-vax crowd has in regards to the anti-vax
crowd is that they try to use half-truths (still 90% effective, you
don't need a mask any more, etc.) when dealing with the anti-vaxers.

No half truths, just simple truths. Facts.

While I am sure that some of them are dumb enough not to know better,
most of the ones I talk to are not. They understand that Delta has changed the game again, and started doing so several months ago.

Delta has not changed the game. It is very contagious and can cause severe illness. This is especially true for the unvaccinated.

The truth is the vaccine still protects those vaccinated as always.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Jeff,

Yes and if you get the Covid vaccine you are most likely going to need
a "booster" every year for the rest of your life as studies have now
shown the efficacy plummets after 6 months.

Let me guess, you didn't read that in the journal of medicine.

But you didn't answer my question.

Yes I did but you didn't understand my answer.

Let's face it there is no track record for it yet...

True but there is data to look at.

Yes and the more data we are getting the worse things are looking...

That could be be but you get an idea of what you need to do to get to where you want to be.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Now you are starting to make sense. :)

I was always making sense. It is you who is spreading misinformation.

OK, fine, Al. Live in your world where you think you still only have a 10% chance of getting sick. Don't distance or wear a mask. We will miss you.

Meanwhile, I will listen to a medical professional friend of mine, who got their shots before the rest of us. By June, their fully vaccinated
co-workers were getting COVID. She told me that the effecacy was dropping, that I should keep distancing and wearing a mask, and that I should get a booster as soon as I am qualified.

So just like the flu, we are going to need boosters. UNLIKE the flu, you
are likely going to need them more than once a year. I am 100% certain she would also tell us that the flu is dangerous and kills people.


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Biden's appointees are extremists, but since I'm a white guy making that statement, nevermind, I'm the extremist, and they're not.

Now you are catching on. Some extremisim is tolerable, but not your kind. Rules for thee, but not for them.


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On another note has it been six months since your vaccine shot? Better go get other because a major study show that after 6 months it's efficacy plummets.

No it doesn't! Ask Alan!!! It is still as effective as it was when he got
it! I will miss Alan.


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So how many deaths from a disease do we start a vaccine mandate with

The flu has never been such a threat that a mandate was wanted/needed. I take the flu shot myself just to be safe, not because it is mandated.

As do I so if I do get the flu it will not likely be as bad. But you didn't an
er my question.

The answer is because Al wants there to be a covid mandate so he can feel
good about people who disagree being forced to prove they have the shot.

Al also lives in Canada, so a US COVID shot mandate does not affect him.
It would just make him feel good to know you don't like it. Al enjoys
living in a place where he has fewer freedoms because it means the
government can make his decisions for him.

There is your answer. Al dances better than anyone here, so you will never
get a straight answer out of him on anything.


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Hello Mike,

OK, fine, Al. Live in your world where you think you still only have
a 10% chance of getting sick. Don't distance or wear a mask. We will miss you.

That's comforting. Just so you know your chances of getting sick are not 10% because you are vaccinated.

Meanwhile, I will listen to a medical professional friend of mine, who
got their shots before the rest of us. By June, their fully
vaccinated co-workers were getting COVID. She told me that the
effecacy was dropping, that I should keep distancing and wearing a
mask, and that I should get a booster as soon as I am qualified.

Here is some data for you to look at compiled by many medical professionals, they are listed. The efficacy of the vaccine is 87-93% for moderna and phizer.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7038e1.htm

So just like the flu, we are going to need boosters.

That could be for some at least.

UNLIKE the flu, you are likely going to need them more than once a
year. I am 100% certain she would also tell us that the flu is
dangerous and kills people.

I never said the flu wasn't dangerous. I never spoke to anyone ever, saying the flu was not dangerous.

The flu can make you very sick and people do die from the flu every year.

I only said that the flu is not seen as such a threat the people want a vaccine mandate.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Mike,

The answer is because Al wants there to be a covid mandate so he can
feel good about people who disagree being forced to prove they have
the shot.

I never made any argument for or against any kind of mandate. Ever.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Biden's appointees are extremists, but since I'm a white guy making t statement, nevermind, I'm the extremist, and they're not.

And I ask again, what do you see as the agenda of these "extremists?"

The BLM lady will try to hurt loggers, the HUD lady will try to hurt
landlords, for example. Joe's appointees and nominees are all about payback
for conservatives.

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It's fine to appoint people of color, but it's not fine to brag about

Why not?

Colin Powell was a fine man, both as an officer and a gentleman.
And Condoleezza Rice is a fine woman. As are most other folks,
regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation.

Most Americans are proud of them, as they have served our country
well. And there are so many others who have served this country, and continue to serve our country with honor and distinction. So what is
your problem? Why do you hate folks who are different than you?

You're asking the wrong person because I'm the one who said this:

It's fine to appoint people of color, but it's not fine to brag about

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On 07 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

COVID-19 is both much more contagious and more deadly than the flu. Pneumonia is a more generic term for an infection of the lungs; it co be caused by a virus, bacteria, or fungi and this means that there is specific "pneumonia vaccine."

I see so it's a acceptable death level then right? So what is your acceptable death level before you want to mandate a vaccine? ... Here is

I don't know, maybe when it reaches "pandemic" level?

the problem In the Irish County of Waterford they have a 99.7% vax rate and yet one Waterford city district at a 14-day incidence rate of 1,486 cases per 100,000 of the population, Waterford has the highest incidence rate of anywhere in Ireland. So how do you explain this? Well experts
have and this issue is the vaccine is leaky and can be
counterproductive. Wait what leaky? Yes there is many studies with
facts and figures to back this up. Here is a good article on it: https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-irish-county-with-99-7-vaccination

I don't know specifically what's going on in this one district of Waterford; maybe that's where the .3% that are unvaccinated are concentrated? Local sources claim that it's because of an increase in travel and a loosening of COVID-related restrictions.

If Waterford residents were early adopters of the vaccine, then it's possible that its efficacy is waning right now.

UhOh, you won't read that will you because it it is on the Blaze which
is Glenn Becks news site and you believe that all he says are lies....
On another note has it been six months since your vaccine shot? Better
go get another because a major study show that after 6 months it's efficacy plummets.

Nope, not going to read propaganda from the Blaze.

Its efficacy does decrease over time, but I wouldn't say "plummets." Although you should keep in mind that if you're going to say that its efficacy "plummets," you're implying that it was once quite high, which means that the vaccines work. From search results, I've got good reason to believe that your Blaze article wants us to believe that the vaccines do not work at all.

Mask-wearing helps, too. The sooner we can get COVID-19 under control the sooner we can start relaxing the safety measures. But the people refuse to get vaccinated, wear masks, or social distance are holding back.

Will we get covid under control? Does mask wearing help? We see by countries that are getting to very high levels of vaccination the level
of covid is going up too.

The level of COVID in these places is going up after once having been quite low. So yes, what we're doing is working. It's an ongoing battle, though.
Will we win? I don't know, but I hope so. And trying is better that just rolling over and giving up.

And yes, mask wearing does help. It's possible that mask-wearing was one of
the COVID-related restrictions lifted in Waterford.

No, I want the government to control the border much like I cont front door. As far as much government policies, I am for limited government so control if any as to a minimum.

You want the government to keep people from crossing the border, corr That sure sounds like controlling people. Not that I condone letting anyone across the border, but it sonds very much like you don't want government controlling you, but it's ok for the government to control people that you disagree with.

I so dislike how you try to twist and turn what I and other people say
to fit your narrative. I plainly said what I wanted and you try to

I'm just pointing out that you want to control people. Deny it all you want, it's still true. The only difference is that you condone controlling people when it is for a purpose that you approve of, and condemn it when it's for a purpose that you disapprove of. The end result is that you're using it as an excuse to justify opposing things that you don't like, but it's a very hypocritical one.

insinuate that I want to control people. If my front door is locked
people can't get into my house. If the government secures it's border
than people can't cross it without coming through legally. Do we need to change our immigration laws yes, most certainly. Do we need to stop sending the wrong message to other countries about immigration, again
yes.

Whatever, man; it's still controlling people.

Jeff.

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On 07 Nov 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...

So now you're saying that "color minorities" are extremists?

They totally are.

I did not know that Colin Powell was an extremist.
I did not know that Condoleezza Rice was an extremist.
I did not know that all persons of color who served
this country are extremists. But now I know, thanks
to Aaron. I am sure David Duke would approve his
message.

You learn something new every day. I believe that the particular curriculum Aaron is espousing is called "Uncritical Race Theory."

Jeff.

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On 07 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Al, what do think the flu shot is? It's a vaccine to protect you getting the flu.

It is but since the flu changes from year to year you need to get a s every year.

Yes and if you get the Covid vaccine you are most likely going to need a "booster" every year for the rest of your life as studies have now shown the efficacy plummets after 6 months.

Sounds like a plan to me. Are we supposed to have a problem with this?

Jeff.

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On 07 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

I am not saying I want to sue anyone, what I am saying is that what if
say two years from now we see people getting a strange form of cancer
and it is linked back to a covid vaccine, what then? You can sue the pharmaceutical company so I guess you would be SOL.

Let's face it there is no track record for it yet...

True but there is data to look at.

Yes and the more data we are getting the worse things are looking...

No, new data is not pointing towards long-term health risks caused by the vaccines. The data you've presented so far indicates that the vaccine loses efficacy over time, which is not in any way related to whether or not there
are long-term side effects.

The long-term side effects that *are* indicated by the data, though, are the long-term effects of having had COVID-19. People who "recover" from the
disease no longer show symptoms and are not contagious, but that does not
mean that they've fully recovered from the damage COVID has wreaked on their bodies, nor that they ever will. Whom are they to sue?

Jeff.

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On 07 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Al, what do think the flu shot is? It's a vaccine to protect you getting the flu.

Apparently the flu vaccine is not entirely 100% safe, either. In 2015, the World News and Daily Report published the strange case of a Texas teenager
who claimed to have been impregnated by the flu vaccine. To support her
story, she claimed to have been a virgin and denied ever having sexual relations with a male.

Her doctor reportedly stated, "In my 26 years of practice, I have never heard once of such a thing as someone being impregnated by a vaccine, but I did
some research and found out it is more common than most people think."

The article did not state whether she was able to sue the manufacturer of the vaccine.

As a side note, please don't believe everything you read, especially if it comes from sources such as the World News and Daily Report (not to be
confused with US News and World Report).

Jeff.

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On 07 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

On another note has it been six months since your vaccine shot? Better g other because a major study show that after 6 months it's efficacy plumm

No it doesn't! Ask Alan!!! It is still as effective as it was when he
got it! I will miss Alan.

Alan is still more protected than someone who isn't vaccinated at all. And
Alan will probably follow medical advice and get a booster, which will renew his protection. Alan won't care that he needs the booster twice a year;
that's what our technology is capable of right now. Be like Alan.

Jeff.

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On 07 Nov 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Biden's appointees are extremists, but since I'm a white guy mak statement, nevermind, I'm the extremist, and they're not.

And I ask again, what do you see as the agenda of these "extremists?"

The BLM lady will try to hurt loggers, the HUD lady will try to hurt landlords, for example. Joe's appointees and nominees are all about payback for conservatives.

They're not trying to hurt anyone. There are two sides to every issue.

Jeff.

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On 07 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

On another note has it been six months since your vaccine shot? Better g other because a major study show that after 6 months it's efficacy plumm

No it doesn't! Ask Alan!!! It is still as effective as it was when he
got it! I will miss Alan.

Do you know what else's efficacy diminishes over time? Motor oil. But the
fact that you need to replace it every 3000 miles doesn't mean that motor oil is ineffective as an engine lubricant, does it?

I don't see how the need for periodic boosters negates the benefits of the vaccines.

Jeff.

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Hello Alan,

The answer is because Al wants there to be a covid mandate so he can
feel good about people who disagree being forced to prove they have
the shot.

I never made any argument for or against any kind of mandate. Ever.

There is no federal mandate. Never has been. What the Biden
administration has done is give people a choice -

* get vaccinated
* get tested weekly

The choice is up to each individual. And even then, limited
to those who are working.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

It's fine to appoint people of color, but it's not fine to brag

about

Why not?

Colin Powell was a fine man, both as an officer and a gentleman.
And Condoleezza Rice is a fine woman. As are most other folks,
regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation.

Most Americans are proud of them, as they have served our country
well. And there are so many others who have served this country, and
continue to serve our country with honor and distinction. So what is
your problem? Why do you hate folks who are different than you?

You're asking the wrong person because I'm the one who said this:

Yes, I know. As quoted above. You did write those very words.
I merely quoted them as a reminder so you would not forget.

It's fine to appoint people of color, but it's not fine to brag about

Every POTUS is proud of those they appoint, including people
of color. However, not every POTUS should be proud of some of
the people he appointed (regardless of color). One only has
to look to the Trump administration for proof of that.

It should be noted that Bill Clinton had the most ethical
administration in history. Although it can be argued that
Barack Obama might have done better.

Which should really be something all Americans should brag about.

Barack Obama - BEST PRESIDENT EVER!

--Lee

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I don't see how the need for periodic boosters negates the benefits of the vaccines.

Look, go back and read everything that Alan said, including all the parts
about people who get the shot "don't" go to hospital and "don't" die, then
come back and continue to beat your !@#$@!# dead horse.

It is idiotic statements like his that anti-vaxers cling to because they
are not stupid and know they are not true. Be willing to tell the !#@$@!# truth straight away about it instead of "being like Alan" and dancing your
way around the fact that you made an incorrect statement.

But did you jump in and correct the incorrect statements he made?

Alan is either a moron or someone who likes to cause trouble. Take your
pick. Considering how you danced right around my response to him where I
said I was vaxed and am getting my booster as soon as I am eligible, gives
me a good idea of another PITA who is in the "cause trouble" group.

He still has not explained why we need a COVID vax mandate (which affects
him as a Canadian not at all) but shouldn't or don't need a flu vax mandate.
If he really wanted to be consistent, his answer would have been that we
should have both. Instead, it has been another one of his word-salad
thread of posts, where he corrects himself but then goes back to defending
his original statements.


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On 08 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

I don't see how the need for periodic boosters negates the benefits of t vaccines.

Look, go back and read everything that Alan said, including all the parts about people who get the shot "don't" go to hospital and "don't" die,
then come back and continue to beat your !@#$@!# dead horse.

There is no dead horse. The vaccines do work, do prevent infection in many cases, and do lessen symptoms and the need for hospitalization in the cases that do slip through.

You're semantic tit-for-tat with Alan doesn't change that.

It is idiotic statements like his that anti-vaxers cling to because they are not stupid and know they are not true. Be willing to tell the
!#@$@!# truth straight away about it instead of "being like Alan" and dancing your way around the fact that you made an incorrect statement.

Did I? I notice you didn't quote what I said. I don't believe I did make any incorrect statements. Perhaps you should read it again.

But did you jump in and correct the incorrect statements he made?

Nope, but nor did I repeat them. I just said to cut the crap and get vaccinated.

Alan is either a moron or someone who likes to cause trouble. Take your pick. Considering how you danced right around my response to him where I said I was vaxed and am getting my booster as soon as I am eligible,
gives me a good idea of another PITA who is in the "cause trouble" group.

Why, then, have you not answered the question of why the need for boosters matters one tiny whit when it comes to whether or not the vaccines work?

He still has not explained why we need a COVID vax mandate (which affects him as a Canadian not at all) but shouldn't or don't need a flu vax mandate. If he really wanted to be consistent, his answer would have
been that we should have both. Instead, it has been another one of his word-salad thread of posts, where he corrects himself but then goes back to defending his original statements.

He's said that the flu is currently far less of a threat than COVID. And he
is right. It is true that there have been flu pandemics in the past, but I don't think we had flu vaccines available then, or available for the
particular strain that was a threat. Yes, I said "pandemics."

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

Look, go back and read everything that Alan said, including all
the parts about people who get the shot "don't" go to hospital
and "don't" die, then come back and continue to beat your !@#$@!#
dead horse.

I never said that vaccinated people don't go to the hospital or die.

I was saying that vaccinated people who do get covid have protection and don't need hospitalization at the same rate as unvaccinated people do. I'm not poking the unvaccinated, just pointing that out.

You're semantic tit-for-tat with Alan doesn't change that.

MP often takes what I say out of the context I said it and tries to turn into something else all together for a right wing talking point. It's not new.

I reply to him if he posts to me but never post to him for that reason.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 08 Nov 2021, Alan Ianson said the following...

Look, go back and read everything that Alan said, including all
the parts about people who get the shot "don't" go to hospital
and "don't" die, then come back and continue to beat your !@#$@!#
dead horse.

I never said that vaccinated people don't go to the hospital or die.
I was saying that vaccinated people who do get covid have protection and don't need hospitalization at the same rate as unvaccinated people do.
I'm not poking the unvaccinated, just pointing that out.

That makes sense, since that's the truth. I've no idea what Mike read.

You're semantic tit-for-tat with Alan doesn't change that.

MP often takes what I say out of the context I said it and tries to turn into something else all together for a right wing talking point. It's
not new.

So... he's doing the Twist? You don't say!

Jeff.

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Yes and if you get the Covid vaccine you are most likely going to nee "booster" every year for the rest of your life as studies have now sh the efficacy plummets after 6 months.

Sounds like a plan to me. Are we supposed to have a problem with this?

Accept that is not what we were told, plus the possibility of adverse reactions will be there every time... But how silly of me Biden says ignore the courts and mandate away! Of course this isn't about control right?

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Let's face it there is no track record for it yet...

True but there is data to look at.

Yes and the more data we are getting the worse things are looking...

No, new data is not pointing towards long-term health risks caused by the vaccines. The data you've presented so far indicates that the vaccine loses efficacy over time, which is not in any way related to whether or not there are long-term side effects.

That we know about YET! We do know about the fatalities it can cause it some people...

The long-term side effects that *are* indicated by the data, though, are the long-term effects of having had COVID-19. People who "recover" from the disease no longer show symptoms and are not contagious, but that
does not mean that they've fully recovered from the damage COVID has wreaked on their bodies, nor that they ever will. Whom are they to sue?

China, that's where it came from (I know there is no proof... except more and more scientists are pointing to the Wuhan lab...) If you decide not to get vaccinated and you get covid that is consequence of your choice. The fact show the most people who do get covid have little or minor symptoms. Yes there are some who have had long term issues and may have them for the rest of there life but that is a very small percentage of those who have gotten covid.

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Apparently the flu vaccine is not entirely 100% safe, either. In 2015,
the World News and Daily Report published the strange case of a Texas teenager who claimed to have been impregnated by the flu vaccine. To support her story, she claimed to have been a virgin and denied ever having sexual relations with a male.

WTF? Reading the World News? sigh....

The article did not state whether she was able to sue the manufacturer
of the vaccine.

You can't, Congress gave Vaccine creators immunity from lawsuits, though they did set up a fund to compensate those with real claims.

As a side note, please don't believe everything you read, especially if
it comes from sources such as the World News and Daily Report (not to be confused with US News and World Report).

Don't read World News and Daily Report (you must why else would you have that story) and Don't read US News and World Report either. And I don't believe the lies you peddle in here.

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On 11 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Yes and if you get the Covid vaccine you are most likely going t "booster" every year for the rest of your life as studies have n the efficacy plummets after 6 months.

Sounds like a plan to me. Are we supposed to have a problem with this

Accept that is not what we were told, plus the possibility of adverse reactions will be there every time... But how silly of me Biden says ignore the courts and mandate away! Of course this isn't about control right?

"Except."

It's not what we were told initially, but it's what it is. Advice changes as more data becomes available. Adverse reactions are extremely rare, and if you didn't have any with the first dose you're extremely unlikely to have one
with subsequent doses. It is about control, but of the virus, not people. In
a different day and age, Americans would be proud to fight this thing
together.

Jeff.

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On 11 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Let's face it there is no track record for it yet...

True but there is data to look at.

Yes and the more data we are getting the worse things are lookin

No, new data is not pointing towards long-term health risks caused by vaccines. The data you've presented so far indicates that the vaccine loses efficacy over time, which is not in any way related to whether not there are long-term side effects.

That we know about YET! We do know about the fatalities it can cause it some people...

So let me get this straight... You're saying that the more data we get, the more that data points towards long-term side effected that we don't know
about yet? No, it doesn't.

The number of fatalities caused by the disease itself absolutely dwarfs the number of fatalities caused by the vaccine.

The long-term side effects that *are* indicated by the data, though, the long-term effects of having had COVID-19. People who "recover" fr the disease no longer show symptoms and are not contagious, but that does not mean that they've fully recovered from the damage COVID has wreaked on their bodies, nor that they ever will. Whom are they to su

China, that's where it came from (I know there is no proof... except
more and more scientists are pointing to the Wuhan lab...) If you decide not to get vaccinated and you get covid that is consequence of your choice. The fact show the most people who do get covid have little or minor symptoms. Yes there are some who have had long term issues and may have them for the rest of there life but that is a very small percentage of those who have gotten covid.

The number of people who have gotten COVID and face life-long issues because
of it is significantly larger than the number of people who have had serious adverse reactions to the vaccine. Long-term damage from COVID is not nearly
as rare as you're trying to make it sound.

Jeff.

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On 11 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Apparently the flu vaccine is not entirely 100% safe, either. In 2015 the World News and Daily Report published the strange case of a Texas teenager who claimed to have been impregnated by the flu vaccine. To support her story, she claimed to have been a virgin and denied ever having sexual relations with a male.
The article did not state whether she was able to sue the manufacture of the vaccine.

You can't, Congress gave Vaccine creators immunity from lawsuits, though they did set up a fund to compensate those with real claims.

It didn't say whether the pregnant teen was able to access that fund, either.

As a side note, please don't believe everything you read, especially it comes from sources such as the World News and Daily Report (not to confused with US News and World Report).

Don't read World News and Daily Report (you must why else would you have that story) and Don't read US News and World Report either. And I don't believe the lies you peddle in here.

World News and Daily Report is a satire site and, as such, quite entertaining at times. This article was such satire, but everything else I post is fact.
You and your conservative cohorts are the ones peddling lies.

Jeff.

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On 11 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

China, that's where it came from (I know there is no proof... except
more and more scientists are pointing to the Wuhan lab...)

There is some consensus that it came from China, but the idea that "more and more scientists are pointing to the Wuhan lab" is patently false. Try reading some *real* news.

Jeff.

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As a side note, please don't believe everything you read, especially if it comes from sources such as the World News and Daily Report (not to be confused with US News and World Report).

Don't read World News and Daily Report (you must why else would you have that ory) and Don't read US News and World Report either. And I don't believe the l
s you peddle in here.

He seems to be the only one here who can tell us what stories are in
either, and what the stories contain. Hard for us to be the ones
believing what "we" read there when we are not the ones reading them at all.


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On 12 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Don't read World News and Daily Report (you must why else would you have ory) and Don't read US News and World Report either. And I don't believe l
s you peddle in here.

He seems to be the only one here who can tell us what stories are in either, and what the stories contain. Hard for us to be the ones believing what "we" read there when we are not the ones reading them at all.

How am I the only one able to tell you what stories are contained in publicly available periodicals? That makes no sense.

And the point of the whole thing was that someone getting pregnant by a flue vaccine is just as implausible, and just as agenda-seeking, as some of the
crap that's going around about the COVID vaccines.

Jeff.

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Don't read World News and Daily Report (you must why else would you hav
ory) and Don't read US News and World Report either. And I don't believ
l
s you peddle in here.

He seems to be the only one here who can tell us what stories are in either, and what the stories contain. Hard for us to be the ones believing what "we" read there when we are not the ones reading them at all.

How am I the only one able to tell you what stories are contained in publicly available periodicals? That makes no sense.

And the point of the whole thing was that someone getting pregnant by a flue vaccine is just as implausible, and just as agenda-seeking, as some of the crap that's going around about the COVID vaccines.

But none of us are dumb enough to read either and believe we are reading
news. It sounds like you are the only one who reads them at all.


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On 13 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

And the point of the whole thing was that someone getting pregnant by a vaccine is just as implausible, and just as agenda-seeking, as some of t crap that's going around about the COVID vaccines.

But none of us are dumb enough to read either and believe we are reading news. It sounds like you are the only one who reads them at all.

US News and World Report is actual news. World News and Daily Report is
satire. I read a little bit of everything. Echo chambers make people stupid.

Jeff.

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US News and World Report is actual news. World News and Daily Report is satire. I read a little bit of everything. Echo chambers make people stupid.

IIRC, the former is typically slanted conservative to the point where I
would question whether what I am reading is fact or opinion.

The latter, as you point out, is not real. :)


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On 13 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

US News and World Report is actual news. World News and Daily Report is satire. I read a little bit of everything. Echo chambers make people stu

IIRC, the former is typically slanted conservative to the point where I would question whether what I am reading is fact or opinion.

US News and World Report has an AllSides Media Bias Rating of "Leans Left."

Jeff.

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On 13 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

US News and World Report is actual news. World News and Daily Report is
satire. I read a little bit of everything. Echo chambers make people st

IIRC, the former is typically slanted conservative to the point where I would question whether what I am reading is fact or opinion.

US News and World Report has an AllSides Media Bias Rating of "Leans Left."

Hmmmm... I wonder what I am mixing it up with?


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On 14 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

US News and World Report has an AllSides Media Bias Rating of "Leans Lef

Hmmmm... I wonder what I am mixing it up with?

Not sure... World News Daily, perhaps?

Jeff.

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unlikely to have one with subsequent doses. It is about control, but of the virus, not people. In a different day and age, Americans would be proud to fight this thing together.

Well if it is not about control AND you have got the vaccine why should you care whether someone else get's it or not. If they get covid and die that is there choice and shouldn't make a difference to you.

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So let me get this straight... You're saying that the more data we get, the more that data points towards long-term side effected that we don't know about yet? No, it doesn't.

No the data no emerging shows areas with the highest vaccine rates are also ones that have the highest covid rates. The simple fact is we have NO long term data on what effects the vaccine could have on someone 5 to 10 years from now.

The number of fatalities caused by the disease itself absolutely dwarfs the number of fatalities caused by the vaccine.

Yes that is true but does that mean someone who died from side effects of the vaccine is worth less than someone who died of covid? There is less than 2000 children between the ages of 0 and 17 hospitalized with covid. Yet they now want to vaccinate every child from 5 to 17. Clearly the numbers do not support a justification to do so.

The number of people who have gotten COVID and face life-long issues because of it is significantly larger than the number of people who have had serious adverse reactions to the vaccine. Long-term damage from
COVID is not nearly as rare as you're trying to make it sound.

Most of those people had other factors that have lead to there long term issues. Also many of those could have and should have been treated with therapeutics and would have not have had such damage to them.

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