Originally posted by August Abolins in another echo...

"As of Saturday, the official numbers[*] show that of 278
Ontarians in intensive care due to COVID-19, 123 of them are
unvaccinated . Of the 1,925 who are in Ontario hospitals
without requiring intensive care, meanwhile, 457 are
unvaccinated against 1,353 fully vaccinated." [NationalPost]

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On 12 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Originally posted by August Abolins in another echo...

"As of Saturday, the official numbers[*] show that of 278
Ontarians in intensive care due to COVID-19, 123 of them are unvaccinated . Of the 1,925 who are in Ontario hospitals
without requiring intensive care, meanwhile, 457 are
unvaccinated against 1,353 fully vaccinated." [NationalPost]

This appears to be largely true, although misleading. Ontario government data indicates that 82% of the population (not counting children under 6) have had two doses, while 87% have had at least one dose. That's quite a lot. For statistical purposes, two doses are required to qualify as "vaccinated." So
82% of the population is vaccinated; 18% is not.

Although the raw number of hospitalized vaccinated persons is greater than
the raw number of hospitalized unvaccinated persons, that does not mean that vaccinated persons are more likely to be hospitalized. In context, it means exactly the opposite. Likewise for ICU admissions.

The number of vaccinated people hospitalized with COVID in Ontario represents 171.7 per million in the vaccinated population.

The number of unvaccinated people hospitalized with COVID in Ontario
represents 762.7 per million in the unvaccinated population.

This indicates that the vaccinated are 77.5% less likely to be hospitalized with COVID that the unvaccinated.

The number of vaccinated people in ICU with COVID in Ontario represents 18.8 per million among the vaccinated population.

The number of unvaccinated people in ICU with COVID in Ontario represents
191.0 per million among the unvaccinated populations.

This indicates that the vaccinated are 90.1% less likely to be admitted to
the ICU with COVID than the unvaccinated.

Source:
https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/

Jeff.

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Originally posted by August Abolins in another echo...

"As of Saturday, the official numbers[*] show that of 278
Ontarians in intensive care due to COVID-19, 123 of them are unvaccinated . Of the 1,925 who are in Ontario hospitals

That information is mind boggling given that my president told me that vaccinated people don't get covid" and my governor told me that "vaccinated people don't end up in the ICU."

This can only mean one thing: That the Canadian government is a lot more honest with their people than the US government is. Canadians seem to have no toleranc for BS, and they're too smart to be lied to (unlike us.)

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On 12 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

"As of Saturday, the official numbers[*] show that of 278 Ontarians in intensive care due to COVID-19, 123 of them are unvaccinated . Of the 1,925 who are in Ontario hospitals

That information is mind boggling given that my president told me that vaccinated people don't get covid" and my governor told me that "vaccinated people don't end up in the ICU."

The hospital numbers are not all that they would seem at first glance, due to the high vaccination rate in Ontario. Vacclinated people are much less likely to end up hospitalized or in the ICU than unvaccinated people.

This can only mean one thing: That the Canadian government is a lot more honest with their people than the US government is. Canadians seem to
have no toleranc for BS, and they're too smart to be lied to (unlike us.)

The only people lying are those using those numbers as "evidence" that the vaccines don't work. The percentage of vaccinated people hospitalized is much smaller than the percentage of unvaccinated people hospitalized; likewise for ICU admissions.

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

Originally posted by August Abolins in another echo...

"As of Saturday, the official numbers[*] show that of 278
Ontarians in intensive care due to COVID-19, 123 of them are
unvaccinated . Of the 1,925 who are in Ontario hospitals

That information is mind boggling given that my president told me that vaccinated people don't get covid" and my governor told me that "vaccinated
people don't end up in the ICU."

Not really. Everybody in Antarctica has been vaccinated for covid,
as that is a requirement just to get there. And yet two-thirds of the population is infected with covid-19. Which goes to show you just how
effective the so-called "vaccines" really are.

This can only mean one thing: That the Canadian government is a lot more honest with their people than the US government is.

This has nothing to do with any particular government or government
policy. The fact of the matter is the vaccines are ineffective. The
only conclusion that can be made is that none of the vaccines are
intended to protect anybody from getting covid-19.

Canadians seem to have no tolerance for BS, and they're too smart to be lied
to (unlike us.)

People in Canada who refuse to get vaccinated will be fined by
the Canadian government. And that is no BS.

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"As of Saturday, the official numbers[*] show that of 278 Ontarians in intensive care due to COVID-19, 123 of them are unvaccinated . Of the 1,925 who are in Ontario hospitals

That information is mind boggling given that my president told me tha vaccinated people don't get covid" and my governor told me that "vaccinated people don't end up in the ICU."

The hospital numbers are not all that they would seem at first glance,
due to the high vaccination rate in Ontario. Vacclinated people are much less likely to end up hospitalized or in the ICU than unvaccinated
people.

44% (123) of covid ICU patients in Ontario are unvaccinated, while 56% of Ontario's covid ICU patients are vaccinated. The vaccine sucks, and you're beating a dead horse.

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to become a
citizen there if I wish to remain unvaccinated.

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On 13 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

The hospital numbers are not all that they would seem at first glance due to the high vaccination rate in Ontario. Vacclinated people are m less likely to end up hospitalized or in the ICU than unvaccinated people.

44% (123) of covid ICU patients in Ontario are unvaccinated, while 56% of Ontario's covid ICU patients are vaccinated. The vaccine sucks, and
you're beating a dead horse.

You failed to weight those percentages against the sheer number of vaccinated persons versus unvaccinated persons. Your math sucks and you're beating a
dead horse.

Jeff.

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On 13 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

The hospital numbers are not all that they would seem at first glance due to the high vaccination rate in Ontario. Vacclinated people are m less likely to end up hospitalized or in the ICU than unvaccinated people.

44% (123) of covid ICU patients in Ontario are unvaccinated, while 56% of Ontario's covid ICU patients are vaccinated. The vaccine sucks, and
you're beating a dead horse.

Aaron, like many Americans, is incapable of any math skills beyond "this
number is bigger than that number," and that's why we can't have nice things.
I know that you have more understanding than he does; perhaps you could
explain this to him, if for nothing more than seeing him tell me that I explained it badly?

Jeff.

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44% (123) of covid ICU patients in Ontario are unvaccinated, while 56% of
Ontario's covid ICU patients are vaccinated. The vaccine sucks, and you're beating a dead horse.

Aaron, like many Americans, is incapable of any math skills beyond "this number is bigger than that number," and that's why we can't have nice things. I know that you have more understanding than he does; perhaps you could explain this to him, if for nothing more than seeing him tell me that I explained it badly?

I honestly think you both have a point. You are correct that, if the vax
rate numbers are correct, and these are correct, then the percentage of
vaxed people that are getting sick is not as high as those numbers would
make one think. It would also seem that a higher-percentage of the unvaccinated are still getting sick vs. the vaccinated.

On the other hand, I am vaccinated and I get vaccinated in the hopes of
not getting sick at all. The fact that there are that many (number) of
people in the same boat who not only get sick, but get sick and are in
hospital (and in ICU) is discomforting. It also makes me uneasy when a politician makes the claim that this is still a "pandemic of the
unvaccinated" when it looks to me like something we all still need to be concerned about.

I am still glad I got vaccinated. My father (vaxed) and his wife (not
vaxed) both got what we think is Omicron. To be fair, she likely got the larger "load" of the virus as she was out in a public, urban area with
family, and she is the one that came down with it first and likely gave it
to him. Her family seems to be in overall good health, like Dad, but does
seem to get sick more often than Dad. They are both in their mid-to-late
70's.

That said, his number of days with symptoms was fewer, and the severity
also seemed less. Her fever lasted at least twice as long. It took her several more days to feel "recovered" even after the symptoms had otherwise passed.

That concludes my uncontrolled, slightly-unscientific Christmas break science project presentation. :)


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On 15 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Aaron, like many Americans, is incapable of any math skills beyond "this number is bigger than that number," and that's why we can't have nice th I know that you have more understanding than he does; perhaps you could explain this to him, if for nothing more than seeing him tell me that I explained it badly?

I honestly think you both have a point. You are correct that, if the vax rate numbers are correct, and these are correct, then the percentage of vaxed people that are getting sick is not as high as those numbers would make one think. It would also seem that a higher-percentage of the unvaccinated are still getting sick vs. the vaccinated.

This is true.

On the other hand, I am vaccinated and I get vaccinated in the hopes of not getting sick at all. The fact that there are that many (number) of people in the same boat who not only get sick, but get sick and are in hospital (and in ICU) is discomforting. It also makes me uneasy when a politician makes the claim that this is still a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" when it looks to me like something we all still need to be concerned about.

Of course. Continue to wear a mask and social distance. No one ever said that the vaccines were 100% effective; to hope otherwise and be disappointed when they're not is delusional. To then decide that they are entirely ineffective because they aren't 100% effective is even more delusional.

The fact is that one's chances of catching, spreading, and being hospitalized are reduced drastically when they are vaccinated. The vaccines work. Their success is apparent in the percentage of vaccinated persons hospitalized vs. the percentage of unvaccinated persons hospitalized. If the vaccines did not work, we would expect those two percentages to be roughly equal. They are anything but.

I am still glad I got vaccinated. My father (vaxed) and his wife (not vaxed) both got what we think is Omicron. To be fair, she likely got the larger "load" of the virus as she was out in a public, urban area with family, and she is the one that came down with it first and likely gave
it to him. Her family seems to be in overall good health, like Dad, but does seem to get sick more often than Dad. They are both in their mid-to-late 70's.

As am I. I also avoid public situations as much as possible. It worries me
that if this is still going around in November, we're going to force everyone to go vote in person (or not vote) rather than allowing common-sense alternatives.

That said, his number of days with symptoms was fewer, and the severity also seemed less. Her fever lasted at least twice as long. It took her several more days to feel "recovered" even after the symptoms had otherwise passed.

I'm glad they recovered. I've known people here who've gotten it and got past it in a few days. However, my family is rural and very conservative, so I
also know of a lot of people that just aren't with us anymore due to COVID.

Jeff.

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On 01-15-22 10:11, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Poor math skills <=-

44% (123) of covid ICU patients in Ontario are
unvaccinated, while 56% of
Ontario's covid ICU patients are vaccinated. The vaccine sucks, and you're beating a dead horse.

Aaron, like many Americans, is incapable of any math skills beyond "this number is bigger than that number," and that's why we
can't have nice things.
I know that you have more understanding than he does; perhaps you could explain this to him, if for nothing more than seeing him tell me that I explained it badly?

I honestly think you both have a point. You are correct that, if the
vax rate numbers are correct, and these are correct, then the
percentage of vaxed people that are getting sick is not as high as
those numbers would make one think. It would also seem that a higher-percentage of the unvaccinated are still getting sick vs. the vaccinated.

The rest of your message is giving personal examples, which may or may
not reflect what is going on in the general poplulation.

Let me break it down for you and Aaron in straight forward math with
numbers.

I have to start off by looking up two statistics not stated (but which
should be readily available if one can get Ontario data) -- The
population of Ontario is 167,500 and 77.8 are fully vaccinated.

Applying this percentage, we get that 167,500 * 0.778 = 130315 people
are fully vacinated and 167,500 - 130315 = 37,185 are not vaccinated.

As given the number of un-vaccinated in ICU is 123 (= 44%) and we can
derive the total number in the ICU as 123/0.44 = 280. Then from that
number, we get that 280 * 0.56 = 157 in the ICU are vaccinated.

Finally, the percentage of non-vaccinated people who end up in the ICU
is 123*100 / 37185 = 0.331% and the percentage of vaccinated people who
end up in the ICU is 157*100 / 130315 = 0.120%. I.e. the nonvaccinated
people are 2.76 times more likely to end up in the ICU than the
vaccinated.

I hope that was understandable, and not too boring -- both for you and
for Aaron.

Dale Shipp
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The rest of your message is giving personal examples, which may or may
not reflect what is going on in the general poplulation.

Thank you Dale - that's what I was overlooking - Jeff was distracting me from the topic of the thread by adding his own observation that "things aren't so bad when you look at the general population."

My statement based on the data posted by August Abollins is this:

"The number of vaxxed ICU patients in Ontario hospitals is a higher number than the number of unvaxxed ICU patients in Ontario hospitals." Did I say it correctly that time?

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The fact is that one's chances of catching, spreading, and being hospitalized are reduced drastically when they are vaccinated. The vaccines work. Their success is apparent in the percentage of vaccinated persons hospitalized vs. the percentage of unvaccinated persons hospitalized. If the vaccines did not work, we would expect those two percentages to be roughly equal. They are anything but.

Maybe. I believe it is also quite possible that those of us who got vaxed
are also the same ones who paid attention to the rest of the instructions regarding masks, social distancing, hand washing, etc. If we had all acted like many of the unvaxed do, and ignored all the other guidance, I suspect those two percentages would be closer, especially the percentages of people
who contract it.


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On 16 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

The rest of your message is giving personal examples, which may or ma not reflect what is going on in the general poplulation.

Thank you Dale - that's what I was overlooking - Jeff was distracting me from the topic of the thread by adding his own observation that "things aren't so bad when you look at the general population."

What Dale said is exactly what I said, except that I left it to the reader to do the actual math. Apparently you need hand-holding on that as well.

My statement based on the data posted by August Abollins is this:
"The number of vaxxed ICU patients in Ontario hospitals is a higher
number than the number of unvaxxed ICU patients in Ontario hospitals."
Did I say it correctly that time?

That's not all that you said. You then said that this proves the vaccines inefective, which it does not.

Jeff.
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On 16 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

The fact is that one's chances of catching, spreading, and being hospita are reduced drastically when they are vaccinated. The vaccines work. The success is apparent in the percentage of vaccinated persons hospitalized the percentage of unvaccinated persons hospitalized. If the vaccines did work, we would expect those two percentages to be roughly equal. They ar anything but.

Maybe. I believe it is also quite possible that those of us who got
vaxed are also the same ones who paid attention to the rest of the instructions regarding masks, social distancing, hand washing, etc. If
we had all acted like many of the unvaxed do, and ignored all the other guidance, I suspect those two percentages would be closer, especially
the percentages of people who contract it.

Maybe, maybe not. The guidance for the vaccinated has generally been to
loosen restrictions on social distancing, etc.

Jeff.
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Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

Maybe. I believe it is also quite possible that those of us who got
vaxed are also the same ones who paid attention to the rest of the instructions regarding masks, social distancing, hand washing, etc. If
we had all acted like many of the unvaxed do, and ignored all the other guidance, I suspect those two percentages would be closer, especially
the percentages of people who contract it.

We have all been told since we were little that getting vaxxed meant that we'd be protected against the disease. So we put up with getting the MMR shots and the booster later. I still remember drinking the polio vaccine when I was really little (yuck!).

So we have a mental idea of what it means to be "vaccinated" and part of that means that we can be lax in our vigiliance because the vaccine protects us.

Now, COVID comes along and they make up something that they call a "COVID vaccine". Since they are labeling it a "vaccine" we treat it the same as getting our MMR or Polio vaxxes.

On top of that, the dictators in some cities are telling us that we must get the "vaccine" in order to stop the spread and "protect" everyone, further reinforcing that old mental image of a "vaccine".

But here's the problem: The COVID "vaccine" isn't a vaccine and never was.
At best, it's an experimental therapy that was supposed to be only for high risk people (because they could die from the not-vax as well as COVID). At worst, it kills people. In the middle, it makes the symptoms of the next variant WORSE.

And this is still all for a disease with a 99%+ recovery rate.


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My statement based on the data posted by August Abollins is this: "The number of vaxxed ICU patients in Ontario hospitals is a higher number than the number of unvaxxed ICU patients in Ontario hospitals. Did I say it correctly that time?

That's not all that you said. You then said that this proves the vaccines inefective, which it does not.

Thank you Jeff, that sounds familiar. I stand corrected, I'll re-phrase so we can all agree:

Of Ontario's ICU patients, most of them are vaccinated. However, this does NOT prove that the vaccine is ineffective.

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Maybe. I believe it is also quite possible that those of us who got vaxed are also the same ones who paid attention to the rest of the instructions regarding masks, social distancing, hand washing, etc. If we had all acted like many of the unvaxed do, and ignored all the other guidance, I suspect those two percentages would be closer, especially the percentages of people who contract it.

Maybe, maybe not. The guidance for the vaccinated has generally been to loosen restrictions on social distancing, etc.

Which, IMHO, is one of the reasons why the number of vaccinated persons
getting sick has gone up. If you loosen your personal restrictions, you
are increasing the likelihood of becoming ill, vaccinated or not, and
whether or not the government suggests it.


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We have all been told since we were little that getting vaxxed meant that we'd
be protected against the disease. So we put up with getting the MMR shots and
the booster later. I still remember drinking the polio vaccine when I was really little (yuck!).

So we have a mental idea of what it means to be "vaccinated" and part of that means that we can be lax in our vigiliance because the vaccine protects us.

Indeed we did, and do. Some of the things I got vaxed for are no longer considered a threat because being vaccinated meant people quit getting those diseases (like polio and smallpox).

This vaccine was "marketed" differently from the start. That said, I feel
that some of the talk has been misleading. If you are vaccinated and lax,
you are still taking a risk. Now, that risk might be less because the
vaccine supposedly makes the symptoms and duration less, but that is also
not a guarantee.

Granted, I was a kid when I got most of those other shots so, for all I
know, they were not telling the full truth ("this will keep you from getting...") in order to get me to go along with it. It was a tough sell,
for sure! :)

Now, COVID comes along and they make up something that they call a "COVID vaccine". Since they are labeling it a "vaccine" we treat it the same as getting our MMR or Polio vaxxes.

On top of that, the dictators in some cities are telling us that we must get the "vaccine" in order to stop the spread and "protect" everyone, further reinforcing that old mental image of a "vaccine".

I wonder if vaccine is the right word for it. It really seems like it
takes more than this shot alone to keep you from getting sick. You still
have to watch what you do. It helps but, by itself, I don't think it can "prevent."

Apparently, one of the CDC-like EU organizations is now warning that giving boosters too often might not be a good idea. They are suggesting it be
spaced out more like a flu shot (once a year) rather than once every few months. The worry is that getting too many shots too close together could weaken the immune system's response to the real virus.


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On top of that, the dictators in some cities are telling us that we must get the "vaccine" in order to stop the spread and "protect" everyone, further reinforcing that old mental image of a "vaccine".

The vaccine mafia is smart. Here's a summary of their progress:

"We're gonna shut-down the virus."
"It says 'vaccine' right on it."
"The unvaccinated are the cause of all the variants."
"Don't let unvaccinated people into your homes during the holidays."
"The vaccine will prevent transmission."
"You won't get covid if you get the vaccine."

The authors of all this crap are succesful; they got the lefties to inject the rat semen, and they even got them to shun their own mothers on Christmas.

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On 17 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

My statement based on the data posted by August Abollins is this "The number of vaxxed ICU patients in Ontario hospitals is a hig number than the number of unvaxxed ICU patients in Ontario hospi Did I say it correctly that time?

That's not all that you said. You then said that this proves the vacc inefective, which it does not.

Thank you Jeff, that sounds familiar. I stand corrected, I'll re-phrase
so we can all agree:
Of Ontario's ICU patients, most of them are vaccinated. However, this
does NOT prove that the vaccine is ineffective.

That would be a correct statement.

Jeff.

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On 17 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Maybe. I believe it is also quite possible that those of us who go vaxed are also the same ones who paid attention to the rest of the instructions regarding masks, social distancing, hand washing, etc. we had all acted like many of the unvaxed do, and ignored all the o guidance, I suspect those two percentages would be closer, especial the percentages of people who contract it.

Maybe, maybe not. The guidance for the vaccinated has generally been to loosen restrictions on social distancing, etc.

Which, IMHO, is one of the reasons why the number of vaccinated persons getting sick has gone up. If you loosen your personal restrictions, you are increasing the likelihood of becoming ill, vaccinated or not, and whether or not the government suggests it.

That's certainly possible. However, there is still a considerable gap in the hospitalization rate between the two groups.

Jeff.

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Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-

Indeed we did, and do. Some of the things I got vaxed for are no
longer considered a threat because being vaccinated meant people quit getting those diseases (like polio and smallpox).

Yup. We created an environment where the disease can't spread because what we got back then was actually a vaccine.

This vaccine was "marketed" differently from the start.

Vaccines don't need to be marketed.

That said, I feel that some of the talk has been misleading.

Nearly all the talk has been misleading.

If you are vaccinated and lax, you are still taking a risk.

That's because you aren't vaccinated. What you were jabbed with is not a vaccine.

Now, that risk might be less
because the vaccine supposedly makes the symptoms and duration less,
but that is also not a guarantee.

It supposedly reduced the symptoms of the variant the jab is made for. The down side is the high possibility of bad side effects and when you get a different variant, it makes the symptoms worse.

Granted, I was a kid when I got most of those other shots so, for all I know, they were not telling the full truth ("this will keep you from getting...") in order to get me to go along with it. It was a tough
sell, for sure! :)

It was a hard sell for a kid, but I went with it. And as you commented above, they seemed to have worked. We haven't had to do yearly (monthly, weekly, ..) boosters for MMR.

I wonder if vaccine is the right word for it.

It's not. "Experimental theraputic" is probably the most... nice description for it.

Apparently, one of the CDC-like EU organizations is now warning that giving boosters too often might not be a good idea. They are
suggesting it be spaced out more like a flu shot (once a year) rather
than once every few months. The worry is that getting too many shots
too close together could weaken the immune system's response to the
real virus.

Not only that, but since the push for the jabs, the statistics are showing a large rise in deaths for males 18-49 - and not from COVID. It looks like the jabs are harmful to men.

I'm willing to bet that for women, the jab is messing up their reproductive systems.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

The vaccine mafia is smart. Here's a summary of their progress:

"We're gonna shut-down the virus."
"It says 'vaccine' right on it."
"The unvaccinated are the cause of all the variants."
"Don't let unvaccinated people into your homes during the holidays."
"The vaccine will prevent transmission."
"You won't get covid if you get the vaccine."

And the Lefties here wonder why we don't believe their BS.

The authors of all this crap are succesful; they got the lefties to
inject the rat semen, and they even got them to shun their own mothers
on Christmas.

Saw some of that first hand here. Sad in many ways.

Some of the jabbed won't be here next year. It's really hard on a mom to watch her child die. The ones that are still here will be shunned by the relatives that they shunned and be very lonely.


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On 18 Jan 2022, Ron Lauzon said the following...

Indeed we did, and do. Some of the things I got vaxed for are no longer considered a threat because being vaccinated meant people quit getting those diseases (like polio and smallpox).

Yup. We created an environment where the disease can't spread because what we got back then was actually a vaccine.

No vaccines are 100% effective.

This vaccine was "marketed" differently from the start.

Vaccines don't need to be marketed.

Public safety does, though.

That said, I feel that some of the talk has been misleading.

Nearly all the talk has been misleading.

Only from the right.

Jeff.

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On 18 Jan 2022, Ron Lauzon said the following...

The vaccine mafia is smart. Here's a summary of their progress: "We're gonna shut-down the virus."
"It says 'vaccine' right on it."
"The unvaccinated are the cause of all the variants."
"Don't let unvaccinated people into your homes during the holidays." "The vaccine will prevent transmission."
"You won't get covid if you get the vaccine."

And the Lefties here wonder why we don't believe their BS.

No vaccine is 100% effective, but that does not mean that they are 0% effective.

The authors of all this crap are succesful; they got the lefties to inject the rat semen, and they even got them to shun their own mother on Christmas.

Saw some of that first hand here. Sad in many ways.

You saw rat semen? Eww.

Some of the jabbed won't be here next year. It's really hard on a mom
to watch her child die. The ones that are still here will be shunned by the relatives that they shunned and be very lonely.

A lot more of the unvaccinated won't be here. Adverse reactions to the
vaccines are very rare, and the vaccinated who do become infected suffer less severe symptoms for a shorter duration and are less likely to require hospitalization.

Please stop spreading lies and misinformation.

Jeff.

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On 01-17-22 08:15, Ron Lauzon <=-
spoke to Mike Powell about Re: Poor math skills <=-

Now, COVID comes along and they make up something that they call a
"COVID vaccine". Since they are labeling it a "vaccine" we treat it
the same as getting our MMR or Polio vaxxes.

If that is how you thought of it, you were not listening. It was
claimed to be 95% effective at preventing Covid-19 (at least the
original one).

On top of that, the dictators in some cities are telling us that we
must get the "vaccine" in order to stop the spread and "protect"
everyone, further reinforcing that old mental image of a "vaccine".

Not dictators -- but officials with concern and duty for protecting the
public health.

But here's the problem: The COVID "vaccine" isn't a vaccine and never was.

It is a vaccine.

At best, it's an experimental therapy that was supposed to be only
for high risk people (because they could die from the not-vax as well
as COVID).

At worst, it kills people.

There have been some deaths attributed to the Covid vaccine, but a
factor of 10 to 100 or more fewer than are attributed to getting Covid.

In the middle, it makes the
symptoms of the next variant WORSE.

I don't know where you got that idea. The vaccine is not making the
symptoms of the next variant worse -- It is doing that all on its own.

And this is still all for a disease with a 99%+ recovery rate.

Wrong. Deaths of 850,750 with cases 66,526,927 is 1.28% death rate.
And of the 98.72% who do not die, many do not really recover but have
long term effects.

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Some of the jabbed won't be here next year. It's really hard on a mom
to watch her child die. The ones that are still here will be shunned by the relatives that they shunned and be very lonely.

It's ridiculous to shun only unvaccinated family members. They should have
said "Don't invite sick people," but instead they turned it into a
blackmailing of family members into taking the vaccine.

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On 18 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Some of the jabbed won't be here next year. It's really hard on a mo to watch her child die. The ones that are still here will be shunned the relatives that they shunned and be very lonely.

It's ridiculous to shun only unvaccinated family members. They should
have said "Don't invite sick people," but instead they turned it into a blackmailing of family members into taking the vaccine.

Even those not showing symptoms can spread COVID. Are you saying that
families should implement a policy of vaccination and testing before
showing up for Christmas?

Jeff.

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At best, it's an experimental therapy that was supposed to be only
for high risk people (because they could die from the not-vax as well
as COVID).

At worst, it kills people.

There have been some deaths attributed to the Covid vaccine, but a
factor of 10 to 100 or more fewer than are attributed to getting Covid.

There are also some deaths attributed to police restraint methods, but most people don't die after being restrained by the police.


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On 19 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

At best, it's an experimental therapy that was supposed to be only for high risk people (because they could die from the not-vax as we as COVID).
At worst, it kills people.

There have been some deaths attributed to the Covid vaccine, but a factor of 10 to 100 or more fewer than are attributed to getting Covid.

There are also some deaths attributed to police restraint methods, but most people don't die after being restrained by the police.

If one of the vaccines had a much higher number of deaths associated with it, we could stop using that vaccine. Likewise, if one form of police restraint
has a much higher number of deaths associated with it, we could stop using
that method. Nice try, though.

Jeff.
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On top of that, the dictators in some cities are telling us that we must get the "vaccine" in order to stop the spread and "protect" everyone, further reinforcing that old mental image of a "vaccine".

Not dictators -- but officials with concern and duty for protecting the DS>public health.

Yeah, with weapons, dogs and all other medical tools.


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Hello Strahinja,

On top of that, the dictators in some cities are telling us that we
must get the "vaccine" in order to stop the spread and "protect"
everyone, further reinforcing that old mental image of a "vaccine".

Not dictators -- but officials with concern and duty for protecting the
public health.

Yeah, with weapons, dogs and all other medical tools.

Early in the pandemic the highest rates of covid were at nursing
homes, prisons, and mental institutions. But nobody noticed how many
were infected (and dying) in prisons and mental institutions until
well after vaccines were administered to people in nursing homes.

I do not know if residents of those institutions have a choice
as to whether to get themselves vaccinated or not. But it is free
for everyone, both for those on the inside and the outside.

--Lee

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have said "Don't invite sick people," but instead they turned it into blackmailing of family members into taking the vaccine.

Even those not showing symptoms can spread COVID. Are you saying that families should implement a policy of vaccination and testing before showing up for Christmas?

"Stay home if you're sick" is better than "Stay home unless you're vaccinated."

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On 19 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

have said "Don't invite sick people," but instead they turned it blackmailing of family members into taking the vaccine.

Even those not showing symptoms can spread COVID. Are you saying that families should implement a policy of vaccination and testing before showing up for Christmas?

"Stay home if you're sick" is better than "Stay home unless you're vaccinated."

Even better is both.

Jeff.

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There are also some deaths attributed to police restraint methods, but most people don't die after being restrained by the police.

If one of the vaccines had a much higher number of deaths associated with it, we could stop using that vaccine. Likewise, if one form of police restraint has a much higher number of deaths associated with it, we could stop using that method. Nice try, though.

Yes, but how many deaths are acceptable in the case of police restraint
deaths? I have the impression that for most people, that number is one. I also have the same impression that, for people with a low threshold for
police restraint deaths, pointing at several more than one deaths from the vaccine is considered nothing to be worried about.


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On 20 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

There are also some deaths attributed to police restraint methods, most people don't die after being restrained by the police.

If one of the vaccines had a much higher number of deaths associated wit we could stop using that vaccine. Likewise, if one form of police restra has a much higher number of deaths associated with it, we could stop usi that method. Nice try, though.

Yes, but how many deaths are acceptable in the case of police restraint deaths? I have the impression that for most people, that number is one.
I also have the same impression that, for people with a low threshold for police restraint deaths, pointing at several more than one deaths from
the vaccine is considered nothing to be worried about.

Considering that far more people have been vaccinated than have been
subjected to police restraint, comparing the numbers one-for-one is not meaningful.

People had much the same reaction when police departments stopped high-speed pursuits because of the danger they posed to innocent bystanders. There are other options available with less risk of death to anyone.

Jeff.

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On 01-20-22 16:15, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Poor math skills <=-

Yes, but how many deaths are acceptable in the case of police
restraint deaths? I have the impression that for most people, that
number is one. I also have the same impression that, for people with a low threshold for police restraint deaths, pointing at several more
than one deaths from the vaccine is considered nothing to be worried about.

It is a matter of scale. One death in 100,000 police restraints and 100
deaths (I don't think it is that high) in 250 million vaccinations are
not on the same ballpark. To be fair, I do not know how many deaths
are due to how many police restraints but would not mind being
enlightened.

Dale Shipp
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Yes, but how many deaths are acceptable in the case of police restraint deaths? I have the impression that for most people, that number is one. I also have the same impression that, for people with a low threshold for
police restraint deaths, pointing at several more than one deaths from the vaccine is considered nothing to be worried about.

Considering that far more people have been vaccinated than have been subjected to police restraint, comparing the numbers one-for-one is not meaningful.

You can compare percentages, if you have any.


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It is a matter of scale. One death in 100,000 police restraints and 100 deaths (I don't think it is that high) in 250 million vaccinations are
not on the same ballpark. To be fair, I do not know how many deaths
are due to how many police restraints but would not mind being
enlightened.

I also do not know. I also don't believe that the reaction to either is necessarily to scale.


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On 21 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Considering that far more people have been vaccinated than have been subjected to police restraint, comparing the numbers one-for-one is not meaningful.

You can compare percentages, if you have any.

As can you. The latest data I can find says that 75.9% of the US population,
or over 250 million people, have received at least one dose of vaccine. We'll assume that's all it takes to kill someone, if it's going to kill them.

Are you trying to say that over 250 million people in the United States have had encounters with police in which a chokehold was deemed necessary?

Jeff.

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On 22 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

You can compare percentages, if you have any.

As can you. The latest data I can find says that 75.9% of the US populat or over 250 million people, have received at least one dose of vaccine. assume that's all it takes to kill someone, if it's going to kill them.

You've done half your homework.

And how much have you done?

Jeff.

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You can compare percentages, if you have any.

As can you. The latest data I can find says that 75.9% of the US population, or over 250 million people, have received at least one dose of vaccine. We'll assume that's all it takes to kill someone, if it's going to kill them.

You've done half your homework.


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