• Re: Jeff-Wing Lie of the

    From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, January 06, 2022 17:11:56
    On 06 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Perhaps you are confusing MSNBC, CNN, etc., expressing criticism of the Afghanistan evacuation on logistical and intelligence grounds with the Right-Wing lie that 6000 Americans were left in Afghanistan against thei will (and are presumably still there today)?
    Oh, I don't have doubt that the number could well be inflated. What I am not confusing is that CNN was reporting about people, in the days after the US had pulled out, who wanted out but who were left behind.

    In the days after the US pulled out, everyone who wanted to leave got out.
    The Lie was that 10,000-15,000 Americans were abandoned, which is not true.

    I am certain I was watching CNN and not FOX because I am smart enough to figure out that if this topic were to come up later, certain numbskulls would be claiming it was "right wing" news that reported it and it wasn't true. I was also certain to only post links to MSM outlets while that
    was all going on.

    I'm ot sure what you were reading. Perhaps you could find some of those articles and post URLs.

    Not sure of your angle, but the timing of the posting of this "lie of the day" and some of the discussion that was going on did not go unnoticed. You are basically trying to turn a debate about whether or not people
    were left behind into one about the fact that some pundits have been spreading inflated numbers, I would assume in hopes that (1) we will ignore/forget that some were left behind, or (2) to discredit anyone who claims "some" were left behind by lumping their claim in with some exaggerated claims made by some pundit that none of us (except you!)
    paid attention to.

    The timing was entirely coincidental. I am not hoping that we will ignore/forget anyone left behind, but no such people exist. By Dec 2021, the number of US citizens waiting to be evacuated had dwindled to around a dozen.

    I don't know where you got your information, but it's outdated.

    Thousands of US citizens were left behind, but only because they did not wish to leave. It was a 20-year war, and as in all wars, children were conceived between the domestic population and invading forces. Those children have dual US/Afghanistan citizenship, and are thus US citizens. Leaving would mean leaving their families behind, and they chose not to do that.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, January 06, 2022 17:10:00
    I'm not trying to tell youo that, because that isn't true. (See previous post)

    Perhaps you are confusing MSNBC, CNN, etc., expressing criticism of the Afghanistan evacuation on logistical and intelligence grounds with the Right-Wing lie that 6000 Americans were left in Afghanistan against their will (and are presumably still there today)?

    Oh, I don't have doubt that the number could well be inflated. What I am
    not confusing is that CNN was reporting about people, in the days after the
    US had pulled out, who wanted out but who were left behind.

    I am certain I was watching CNN and not FOX because I am smart enough to
    figure out that if this topic were to come up later, certain numbskulls
    would be claiming it was "right wing" news that reported it and it wasn't
    true. I was also certain to only post links to MSM outlets while that was
    all going on.

    Not sure of your angle, but the timing of the posting of this "lie of the
    day" and some of the discussion that was going on did not go unnoticed.
    You are basically trying to turn a debate about whether or not people were
    left behind into one about the fact that some pundits have been spreading inflated numbers, I would assume in hopes that (1) we will ignore/forget that some were left behind, or (2) to discredit anyone who claims "some" were left behind by lumping their claim in with some exaggerated claims made by some pundit that none of us (except you!) paid attention to.


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