In the 2nd GOP presidential primary debate, I only learned 1 new thing:

Tim Scott (I think it was Tim Scott) said that the Ukraine aid is a loan, and that they have to pay it back.

Is that true? It was the 1st that I ever heard that. If Ukraine is borrowing money, why don't they borrow it from the world bank instead? I think Tim Scott is full of it.

Chris Christie made it more clear than ever that he's only in this to trash Trump. Mike Pence's answer to everything is "I have more white house experience." (The poor guy is more brain-dead than Biden.) Ramaswamy says all the right words, but nobody's gonna vote for him, so he might as well just pipe-down.

We need Trump, and if we can't have Trump, we'd better get DeSantis.

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On 27 Sep 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...

In the 2nd GOP presidential primary debate, I only learned 1 new thing:

Tim Scott (I think it was Tim Scott) said that the Ukraine aid is a
loan, and that they have to pay it back.

Is that true? It was the 1st that I ever heard that. If Ukraine is borrowing money, why don't they borrow it from the world bank instead? I think Tim Scott is full of it.

He is full of it. It's aid from the U.S. and it's never expected to be paid back. Even if it was a loan a broken country such a Ukraine, wouldn't be able to pay back more then a Billion dollars, even in 100 years. The fighting will go on and on without Military Aircraft, A better way is peace through strength.

Chris Christie made it more clear than ever that he's only in this to AT> trash Trump. Mike Pence's answer to everything is "I have more white AT> AT> Ramaswamy says all the right words, but nobody's gonna vote for him,

I have heard that Ramaswamy may be something of a "Trojan Horse"

We need Trump, and if we can't have Trump, we'd better get DeSantis.

I agree.

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A choice not to decide for any GOP candidate, is a vote for Joe Biden.
There better not be any funny business this time around, but if they got away with it the first time, then they WILL try this again.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

Tim Scott (I think it was Tim Scott) said that the Ukraine aid is a
loan, and that they have to pay it back.

Is that true? It was the 1st that I ever heard that. If Ukraine is borrowing money, why don't they borrow it from the world bank instead?
I think Tim Scott is full of it.

He's spinning things. Just like you don't make a loan to someone who will die soon, calling the money to Ukraine a "loan" is moronic. They can't pay it back if 1) they no longer exist or 2) if they do exist, it will take decades for them to get an economy that will allow them to pay anything back.


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think Tim Scott is full of it.

He is full of it. It's aid from the U.S. and it's never expected to be paid back. Even if it was a loan a broken country such a Ukraine,

That's what I thought. What does he gain by fooling people into thinking that it's "just a loan?" He's just another slimy swamp creature.

... If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice

A choice not to decide for any GOP candidate, is a vote for Joe Biden. There better not be any funny business this time around, but if they got away with it the first time, then they WILL try this again.

I was on joesbbs & he has taglines. I hate taglines, but I went with that one because it's better than the other song lyrics that were in there.

But you're right though. This primary is important. There are some very deceptive RINOs that need to be "voted off the island."

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I think Tim Scott is full of it.

He's spinning things. Just like you don't make a loan to someone who

I think Tim Scott is suffering from the side-effects of envy. He wants in on that Ukraine money very badly. $250,000/yr doesn't cut it for him.

He wants what Biden's got.

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On 28 Sep 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...

think Tim Scott is full of it.

He is full of it. It's aid from the U.S. and it's never expected to b paid back. Even if it was a loan a broken country such a Ukraine,

That's what I thought. What does he gain by fooling people into thinking that it's "just a loan?" He's just another slimy swamp creature.

They destroy to build it back up.... Hillary is dusting off the Clinton foundation to get in on some of the action...

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That's what I thought. What does he gain by fooling people into think that it's "just a loan?" He's just another slimy swamp creature.

They destroy to build it back up.... Hillary is dusting off the Clinton foundation to get in on some of the action...

I heard about that! The Clinton Foundation "wants to provide" humanitarian aid to Ukrainians.

Somebody should "donate" some money to the press so that they can show us what the humanitarian "crisis" in Ukraine really looks like.

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On 28 Sep 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I heard about that! The Clinton Foundation "wants to provide"
humanitarian aid to Ukrainians.

Somebody should "donate" some money to the press so that they can show
us what the humanitarian "crisis" in Ukraine really looks like.

Ya... the whole war thing... Billions and Billions going somewhere with no audits as to what they're doing with the money... I'm sure 10% is going to the Big Guy as well...

like Haiti.... The Clinton's will get involved and I'm sure Billions and Billions of money will be flowing around.... nothing ever gets done and no one will be held to account...

Hilliary will make a point during this time to tell people the Putin stole the election from her...

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Tim Scott (I think it was Tim Scott) said that the Ukraine aid is a loan, and at they have to pay it back.

While I think it is technically true, there are a lot of "ifs" around that.
They will only pay it back if they exist after the war is over (i.e. if
Russia wins we won't get it back), if they don't go through a radical
regime change in the meantime, if they manage to stay out of some other
bind that would cause the debt to be forgiven, etc.


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I was on joesbbs & he has taglines. I hate taglines, but I went with that one cause it's better than the other song lyrics that were in there.

And I think that one came from me. :) That is one of my favorite Rush
songs and has been in my SLMR tagline file pretty much since I started
using QWK mail in the early 1990's.


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Somebody should "donate" some money to the press so that they can show us what
he humanitarian "crisis" in Ukraine really looks like.

When Russia was winning, early on, they were showing it. I have not
noticed it as much recently. Last I saw of it, they were reporting on Ukrainian refugees being resettled in Poland.


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While I think it is technically true, there are a lot of "ifs" around that. They will only pay it back if they exist after the war is over (i.e. if Russia wins we won't get it back), if they don't go through a radical regime change in the meantime, if they manage to stay out of
some other bind that would cause the debt to be forgiven, etc.

It reminds me of a time when I loaned $40 to my unemployed alcoholic friend who lives with his mom. How smart was it for me to loan him the money? Not very!

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I was on joesbbs & he has taglines. I hate taglines, but I went with tha cause it's better than the other song lyrics that were in there.

And I think that one came from me. :) That is one of my favorite Rush songs and has been in my SLMR tagline file pretty much since I started using QWK mail in the early 1990's.

I hated Rush all my life, until Alex Lifeson started appearing on Trailer Park Boys. That's my favorite TV show of all time, so for that reason only, I warmed up to Rush.

But my appreciation for them has conditions: If I find out that either Lifeson or Geddy Lee have endorsed Biden, then this love affair will be over in seconds flat. (I hold grudges against celebrities who endorse Biden.)

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Somebody should "donate" some money to the press so that they can show u what
he humanitarian "crisis" in Ukraine really looks like.

When Russia was winning, early on, they were showing it. I have not noticed it as much recently. Last I saw of it, they were reporting on Ukrainian refugees being resettled in Poland.

The media is leaving us in the dark, and there's no valid excuse for that.
WWII was well-documented with rich video footage, but I swear that all I've seen regarding the "Ukraine War" is a building that was fine one day, then the next day it was damaged. But then a few days later it was repaired like nothing even happened. Based on the "terrifying" video footage that I've seen, it looks like some aluminum siding has cost US taxpayers around $75 billion dollars. Man, they should try vinyl next time.

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But my appreciation for them has conditions: If I find out that either Lifeson
r Geddy Lee have endorsed Biden, then this love affair will be over in seconds
lat. (I hold grudges against celebrities who endorse Biden.)

Well, technically, they are Canadian so they cannot vote here (yet! :D).
That of course does not stop our resident BC native from endorsing Biden
any chance he gets.


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The media is leaving us in the dark, and there's no valid excuse for that. WWII was well-documented with rich video footage, but I swear that all I've se

It was not as well covered during the war. A lot of things that are well documented now were not released during the war for security reasons, etc.

OTOH, the Gulf Wars were covered heavily.


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But my appreciation for them has conditions: If I find out that either Lifeson
r Geddy Lee have endorsed Biden, then this love affair will be over in seconds
lat. (I hold grudges against celebrities who endorse Biden.)

Well, technically, they are Canadian so they cannot vote here (yet! :D). That of course does not stop our resident BC native from endorsing Biden any chance he gets.

Canadian celebrities are just as dangerous as the American ones. Neil Young, Jim Carey, Alanis Morissette, Tom Arnold, Sebastian Bach, and many more, have all landed on the naughy list by either trashing Trump and/or by declaring approval of Biden.

Those Canadians I just mentioned can be thanked for all the deaths along the border and for 90% of the fentanyl deaths we've had in recent years.

From now on, when they're out there performing, they really need to get inside wire cages to protect themselves from all the stuff that people who are unhappy about the border might want to throw at them.

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The media is leaving us in the dark, and there's no valid excuse for tha WWII was well-documented with rich video footage, but I swear that all I se

It was not as well covered during the war. A lot of things that are well documented now were not released during the war for security reasons,
etc.

OTOH, the Gulf Wars were covered heavily.

Yes! I remember watching that unfold on the news. But with the Ukraine war they only focus on "Republicans want Ukrainians to die" and "Vlodimir Zelenski is a courageous hero movie star." There's no "Here's footage of Ukraine blowing up a Russian military base."

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Hello Aaron,

While I think it is technically true, there are a lot of "ifs" around
that. They will only pay it back if they exist after the war is over
(i.e. if Russia wins we won't get it back), if they don't go through a
radical regime change in the meantime, if they manage to stay out of
some other bind that would cause the debt to be forgiven, etc.

It reminds me of a time when I loaned $40 to my unemployed alcoholic friend
who lives with his mom. How smart was it for me to loan him the money? Not very!

Cheapskate! Popeye always gave to Wimpy whatever he needed, regardless
of cost. So why should you or anyone else not do the same for others?

"Give, and it will be given to you; good measure, pressed down,
shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For the
measure you give will be the measure you get back." ~Luke 6:38

That is why the Lord only tells you to do something with blessings
to it. It is especially true with giving.

For Life,
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who lives with his mom. How smart was it for me to loan him the money very!

Cheapskate! Popeye always gave to Wimpy whatever he needed, regardless
of cost. So why should you or anyone else not do the same for others?

A loan is a loan. Charity is charity.

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Yes! I remember watching that unfold on the news. But with the Ukraine war the
only focus on "Republicans want Ukrainians to die" and "Vlodimir Zelenski is a
ourageous hero movie star." There's no "Here's footage of Ukraine blowing up a
ussian military base."

I have been seeing footage like that here and there. Likely on the local
news since that is usually what is on during the times I watch TV at all.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I think Tim Scott is suffering from the side-effects of envy. He wants
in on that Ukraine money very badly. $250,000/yr doesn't cut it for
him.

He wants what Biden's got.

I wonder if it's converting his ill-gotten gains into gold?

Referencing Gaetz comment that they can't bribe Democrats with cash anymore. It needs to be gold because the Dems are devaluing the dollar so bad.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

I hated Rush all my life, until Alex Lifeson started appearing on
Trailer Park Boys. That's my favorite TV show of all time, so for that reason only, I warmed up to Rush.

The only time I listened to anything Rush was Doug and Bob MacKenzie's Great White North album.

"This is the hit song part of our album, eh. Geddy Lee is here from Rush."


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Hello Aaron,

who lives with his mom. How smart was it for me to loan him the

money

very!

Cheapskate! Popeye always gave to Wimpy whatever he needed, LL>regardless

of cost. So why should you or anyone else not do LL>the same for others?

A loan is a loan. Charity is charity.

Wimpy went to Popeye and asked him for a dollar so he could
get a hamburger, promising Popeye to pay him back on Tuesday.
Popeye gladly gave Wimpy a dollar, who was then able to get
his hamburger right away (he was hungry). When Tuesday came
around, Wimpy was nowhere to be found. Popeye always forgave
him, and never asked him to repay the dollar. And every time
Wimpy asked for another dollar, Popeye was happy to oblige.

You see, Popeye always knew where to get his spinach. And
Olive Oyl never charged him a cent. Isn't it the obligation
of us all to see that everyone receives their nourishment?

You really don't get it, do you? Popeye was a sailor man.
A man who had no home. And Olive Oyl was Bluto's girlfriend.
A man who actually did have a home. Being childless, Olive
Oyl and Popeye found an infant and named him Swee' Pea. Kind
of an adopted kid, without the paperwork. To make sure the
kid grew up big and strong, he was fed formula made from
spinach. And we all know where that spinach came from ...

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You really don't get it, do you? Popeye was a sailor man.

I get it that you watch way too much TV and you're being molested by the propaganda that spews from the mouths of celebrities.

Next time I want a bunch of leftists to feel what I want them to feel, I'll write a script for an episode of Popeye.

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I think Tim Scott is suffering from the side-effects of envy. He wants
in on that Ukraine money very badly. $250,000/yr doesn't cut it for
him.

I have seen the source of the reference in question. Scott does claim that 90%+ of the money is in loans, but he also indicated that it is not Ukraine that will be paying them back. They are supposedly loans to NATO,
which means there will be someone we can hold accountable for them.

Now my guess is that in pass we've often "forgiven" these types of loans to NATO but I don't know that. It is also several billion dollars we could be spending here at home rather than loaning abroad. The point of arguement between the Republicans seems to be whether or not it is in our best
interest to spend money (while not sending troops) to destabilize Russia
and its military. Those who see them (and their financier, China) as a
threat seem to believe it is a good investment. The others do not.


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Now my guess is that in pass we've often "forgiven" these types of loans to NATO but I don't know that. It is also several billion dollars we could be spending here at home rather than loaning abroad. The point of arguement between the Republicans seems to be whether or not it is in
our best interest to spend money (while not sending troops) to
destabilize Russia and its military. Those who see them (and their financier, China) as a threat seem to believe it is a good investment. The others do not.

The American people seem to be under the impression that it's charity. I
don't think anyone (besides conservatives) ever wondered if the money would be paid back. What I make of this, then, is that Tim Scott is trying to use a faulty narrative to satisfy people with his endorsement of the "Ukraine battle." (It's a battle for our cash! lol)

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Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

I have seen the source of the reference in question. Scott does claim that 90%+ of the money is in loans, but he also indicated that it is
not Ukraine that will be paying them back. They are supposedly loans
to NATO, which means there will be someone we can hold accountable for them.

That only works if the someone accountable still exists and has the cash to pay the loans back. Democrats like to give loans to people who can't ever pay them back. (Remember how they created the housing crash by forcing banks to lower the standards to get a mortgage?)

Now my guess is that in pass we've often "forgiven" these types of
loans to NATO but I don't know that.

So Biden is using NATO is yet another shell company to filter money through. Wow.

It is also several billion
dollars we could be spending here at home rather than loaning abroad.

But it's harder for the Biden Crime Family to profit that way and hide the money. Remember this is all a method for taking tax dollars out of the American Public and put them into the pockets of the Elitists.

The point of arguement between the Republicans seems to be whether or
not it is in our best interest to spend money (while not sending
troops) to destabilize Russia and its military.

Any Republican who thinks it's a good idea to send ANYTHING is part of the Uniparty.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

The American people seem to be under the impression that it's charity.

"Charity" is always voluntary. Tax dollars are taken by force and, therefore, their use is never charity.

I don't think anyone (besides conservatives) ever wondered if the money would be paid back. What I make of this, then, is that Tim Scott is
trying to use a faulty narrative to satisfy people with his endorsement
of the "Ukraine battle." (It's a battle for our cash! lol)

Probably. I wonder how much he's getting from Ukraine. And is Biden jealous of that? (Since Ukraine is a money laundermat for Biden.)


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The American people seem to be under the impression that it's charity. I don't think anyone (besides conservatives) ever wondered if the money would be
aid back. What I make of this, then, is that Tim Scott is trying to use a faul
narrative to satisfy people with his endorsement of the "Ukraine battle." (It
a battle for our cash! lol)

Well, either the news is not doing a good job of reporting that most of the money is a loan, or Tim Scott is mistaken. Considering how bad the MSM
does at reporting some things, I am currently giving Scott the benefit of
the doubt on this one. ;)


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I have seen the source of the reference in question. Scott does claim that 90%+ of the money is in loans, but he also indicated that it is
not Ukraine that will be paying them back. They are supposedly loans
to NATO, which means there will be someone we can hold accountable for them.

That only works if the someone accountable still exists and has the cash to pa
the loans back. Democrats like to give loans to people who can't ever pay the
back. (Remember how they created the housing crash by forcing banks to lower the standards to get a mortgage?)

Starting with your last question first, yes I do certainly remember that.

The assumption would be that NATO will still exist. I feel at least a
little more confident that we could get some money back from them vs. back
from whatever Ukraine turns into after this.

Now my guess is that in pass we've often "forgiven" these types of
loans to NATO but I don't know that.

So Biden is using NATO is yet another shell company to filter money through. Wow.

That sentence is only a guess on my part. Your guess is also a possible scenario for sure.

It is also several billion
dollars we could be spending here at home rather than loaning abroad.

But it's harder for the Biden Crime Family to profit that way and hide the money. Remember this is all a method for taking tax dollars out of the American Public and put them into the pockets of the Elitists.

Yes. Defense contractors love this kind of thing.

The point of arguement between the Republicans seems to be whether or not it is in our best interest to spend money (while not sending
troops) to destabilize Russia and its military.

Any Republican who thinks it's a good idea to send ANYTHING is part of the Uniparty.

If they genuinly believe that this investment destabilizes Russia, and that this is a good thing, then maybe not. Otherwise, I agree.


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Hello Ron,

The American people seem to be under the impression that it's AT>charity.

"Charity" is always voluntary. Tax dollars are taken by force and, therefore, their use is never charity.

You think what is given to Ukraine is "charity"? And that "charity"
is always "voluntary"? Just imagine the alternative. Suppose this
country refuses to give aid and assistance to those in need. What do
you think that makes us?

How convenient for Republicans to have left out aid to Ukraine in
the latest bill to keep the government from going into shutdown mode.
As if denying aid to Ukraine was going to save us from defaulting.

Here is what the elected president of Ukraine had to say -

"World War III has started, and Ukraine is the front line. We
don't want Americans to fight here. But if we don't win, Americans
will fight [here]."
~ Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy

How do you feel about being shipped to Ukraine to fight Russians?
How do you feel about dying for a country that Trump's Russian pal
says does not exist? Or maybe you'd rather wait until you've been
vaporized by a Russian nuke that went off over your house.

I don't think anyone (besides conservatives) ever wondered if AT>the

money would be paid back. What I make of this, then, is that AT>Tim Scott is trying to use a faulty narrative to satisfy people AT>with his endorsement of the "Ukraine battle." (It's a battle for AT>our cash! lol)

Probably. I wonder how much he's getting from Ukraine. And is Biden jealous of that? (Since Ukraine is a money laundermat for Biden.)

Seems like Ukraine is kicking Russia's butt. Which explains why
Mad Vlad wants to take on NATO. But first he has to stir up trouble
in Armenia. And Georgia. And other far off places ...

What a dick.

But let's get back to the point.

Why do you and your kind want to help Mad Vlad?

For Life,
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The American people seem to be under the impression that it's charity

"Charity" is always voluntary. Tax dollars are taken by force and, therefore, their use is never charity.

Right! But that's hard for the sheep to figure out. The media is propagating support for fighting the war, and the sheep don't have any questions at all, because Jimmy Kimme already answered them all.

I don't think anyone (besides conservatives) ever wondered if the mon would be paid back. What I make of this, then, is that Tim Scott is trying to use a faulty narrative to satisfy people with his endorseme of the "Ukraine battle." (It's a battle for our cash! lol)

Probably. I wonder how much he's getting from Ukraine. And is Biden jealous of that? (Since Ukraine is a money laundermat for Biden.)

Joe Biden's jealous of a 4 year old girl. He doesn't want her inheriting any of the family crooked wealth. And man, there must be zillions of dollars at stake.

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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

The assumption would be that NATO will still exist. I feel at least a little more confident that we could get some money back from them vs.
back from whatever Ukraine turns into after this.

I wish I had even that level of confidence. While we have made good strides in making other countries pay their part of NATO, it's still mostly funded by us. And the other countries in NATO aren't doing very well either (mostly due to their Woke policies).

That sentence is only a guess on my part. Your guess is also a
possible scenario for sure.

It's certainly only a guess. That's part of the frustration: we don't know and we can't know.

If they genuinly believe that this investment destabilizes Russia, and that this is a good thing, then maybe not. Otherwise, I agree.

If they genuinely believe that, they are morons.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Right! But that's hard for the sheep to figure out. The media is propagating support for fighting the war, and the sheep don't have any questions at all, because Jimmy Kimme already answered them all.

They've never been taught critical thinking skills - by their parents nor the schools. Since they can't think for themselves, they rely on others to think for them.


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If they genuinly believe that this investment destabilizes Russia, and that this is a good thing, then maybe not. Otherwise, I agree.

If they genuinely believe that, they are morons.

That could certainly be the case. ;)


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