IB Joe -> Ron L. skrev 2023-07-19 16:13:

Conspiracy Theorists

No. Propagandists.

You got that right mate!!!

Crazy how you can keep this up, after so long time. Do you really not understand how stupid y'all look, when history looks into your actions and reasonings at this time?

IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)

John 18:5, about pronouns:

"Jesus saith unto them, I am he."

But who cares about Jesus in the White Supremacist Cult?

Blacks and Women, like e.g. the present VP, are not allowed into their Cult45.



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On 19 Jul 2023, Bj�rn Felten said the following...

You got that right mate!!!

Crazy how you can keep this up, after so long time. Do you really not understand how stupid y'all look, when history looks into your actions
and reasonings at this time?

History is already looking like it's in our favor... Ideas about COVID and the forced vaccines... looks like we were right... Looks like we were right about a lot of things... You talk about how stupid we sound... Well Bu-Jorn... not as stupid as you using the word y'all.\

IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)

John 18:5, about pronouns:

"Jesus saith unto them, I am he."

But who cares about Jesus in the White Supremacist Cult?

Blacks and Women, like e.g. the present VP, are not allowed into their Cult45.

This is where you're wrong... Trump had black people in his administration... They were not diversity hires but rather hired based on their merit and qualifications... There are some women on the short list for his VP... Though they are not black I think they had sex with black men... So... they had a little black in them... ergo the might qualify...

People who think that democratic elections are all about picking the
right winner, are in dire need of re-education.

As with Trump, God does not pick a perfect man, but rather a man perfect for the job...

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IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)

John 18:5, about pronouns:
"Jesus saith unto them, I am he."

Thou shalt not be condemned to the gates of hell
(or be arrested and charged with a felony)
by using the wrong pronoun either.

But who cares about Jesus in the White Supremacist Cult?
Blacks and Women, like e.g. the present VP, are not allowed into their Cult45.

Proverbs 12:16
When a fool is annoyed, he quickly lets it be known.
Smart people will ignore an insult.

"Judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his
character"

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On 20 Jul 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

"Judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character"

I wonder what MLK would think about todays Democratic party

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On 20 Jul 2023, IB Joe said the following...

On 20 Jul 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

"Judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character"

I wonder what MLK would think about todays Democratic party

He would more then likely say something like the following.
What is being done is the wrong way to achieve the results and the respect that is being sought. A man of peace usually are also very wise.

What is being pushed w/ the indoctrination of children, he would call that the work of the Devil. I have no doubt, because it is.

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On 20 Jul 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

"Judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of character"

I wonder what MLK would think about todays Democratic party

He would more then likely say something like the following.
What is being done is the wrong way to achieve the results and the
respect that is being sought. A man of peace usually are also very wise.

What is being pushed w/ the indoctrination of children, he would call
that the work of the Devil. I have no doubt, because it is.

Could explain why MLK's nice, Alveda King is a Republican and a Trump supporter... Look what the dems did to RFK Jr. on the Hill yesterday... They will eat their own if they have to!!!

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Could explain why MLK's nice, Alveda King is a Republican and a Trump

upporte

.. Look what the dems did to RFK Jr. on the Hill yesterday... They will eat

h

r own if they have to!!!

I found the IRS testimony to be much more interesting.


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On 21 Jul 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

I found the IRS testimony to be much more interesting.

More than credible...

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IB Joe wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

Could explain why MLK's nice, Alveda King is a Republican and a Trump supporter... Look what the dems did to RFK Jr. on the Hill yesterday... They will eat their own if they have to!!!

Like I said before, this isn't a Democrat vs. Republican or a Left vs. Right battle.

This is a battle between the Elitists who want to rule over everyone, and everyone else.


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I found the IRS testimony to be much more interesting.

More than credible...

Indeed. They are both knowledgeable of their jobs, and at least one of
them cannot really be discredited as a disgruntled Republican. They have
stuck to their stories. Unlike Weiss, they've not wavered at all.


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On 22 Jul 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

More than credible...

Indeed. They are both knowledgeable of their jobs, and at least one of them cannot really be discredited as a disgruntled Republican. They have stuck to their stories. Unlike Weiss, they've not wavered at all.

I am off to Costco to get my popcorn... Things are heating up!!! They impeached Trump on a perfect phone call... Could you imagine if they had a fraction of the dirt they have on the Biden Crime Syndicate!!!??

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On 22 Jul 2023, Ron L. said the following...

This is a battle between the Elitists who want to rule over everyone, and everyone else.

Good VS Evil

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I am off to Costco to get my popcorn... Things are heating up!!! They impeached Trump on a perfect phone call... Could you imagine if they had a fraction of the dirt they have on the Biden Crime Syndicate!!!??

I've seen the dirt but do you have any evidence to support the "Biden Crime Syndicate" claim?

No? I didn't think so.

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On 22 Jul 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

I am off to Costco to get my popcorn... Things are heating up!!! They impeached Trump on a perfect phone call... Could you imagine if they had fraction of the dirt they have on the Biden Crime Syndicate!!!??

I've seen the dirt but do you have any evidence to support the "Biden Crime Syndicate" claim?

No? I didn't think so.

Video, audio recordings. Testimony from FBI, IRS and foreign governments... Bank records... and more is coming...

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Hello Mike,

I found the IRS testimony to be much more interesting.

A political stunt is just that - a political stunt.
Nothing more, nothing less.

But hey. Whatever floats your boat.


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I've seen the dirt but do you have any evidence to support the "Biden Crime

y

icate" claim?

No? I didn't think so.

So you don't believe the dirt is an indication of potential criminal
activity?


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So you don't believe the dirt is an indication of potential criminal activity?

No, it's just dirt. None of it has any basis in fact.

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So you don't believe the dirt is an indication of potential criminal activity?

No, it's just dirt. None of it has any basis in fact.

So you are discounting eyewitness accounts from two people, at least one of whom has little to gain, who could likely lose their jobs?

Interesting.


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No, it's just dirt. None of it has any basis in fact.

So you are discounting eyewitness accounts from two people, at least one of whom has little to gain, who could likely lose their jobs?

Yes, it's just dirt.

Interesting.

No, it's a witch hunt.

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No, it's just dirt. None of it has any basis in fact.

So you are discounting eyewitness accounts from two people, at least one of whom has little to gain, who could likely lose their jobs?

Yes, it's just dirt.

What is your proof that it is just dirt?


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Yes, it's just dirt.

What is your proof that it is just dirt?

I am not trying to prove dirt, you are.

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Yes, it's just dirt.

What is your proof that it is just dirt?

I am not trying to prove dirt, you are.

Nope. You are the one saying it is dirt. I provided information. It is
up to you to refute it. I would take the word of two long-time IRS agents
over one British Columbian who has no credentials and cannot prove his
point beyond saying it is "just dirt" any day.


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I am not trying to prove dirt, you are.

Nope. You are the one saying it is dirt. I provided information.

You provided dirt. Good luck with that.

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Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-

Nope. You are the one saying it is dirt. I provided information. It
is up to you to refute it.

But that's the standard Ignorant Elitist stance:

They believe that they are the experts and the ones who have all the facts. Therefore, the burden of proof is **always** on someone else.

But since you are arguing against the Narrative (which is always true, don't ya know), you can never bring enough facts or argument to absolve yourself of that burden of proof.

That's why I don't bother with the Ignorant Elitists anymore.


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I am not trying to prove dirt, you are.

Nope. You are the one saying it is dirt. I provided information.

You provided dirt. Good luck with that.

You are the one calling it dirt. It is up to you to prove it is dirt or
shut up.


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You provided dirt. Good luck with that.

You are the one calling it dirt. It is up to you to prove it is dirt or
shut up.

Dirt is dirt. You know what dirt is?

I'm not trying to prove anything at all and you are not going to prove anything at all with this dirt.

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Dirt is dirt. You know what dirt is?

I'm not trying to prove anything at all and you are not going to prove

nythin

at all with this dirt.

You are the one calling it dirt. It is up to you to prove it is dirt or
shut up.


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You are the one calling it dirt.

That's what it is.

It is up to you to prove it is dirt

There is no evidence of any crime.

or shut up.

You don't have to read or reply.

Why do you bring up Hunter Biden? Is it a distraction from Donald Trump's crimes and charges?

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Dirt is dirt. You know what dirt is?

I'm not trying to prove anything at all and you are not going to prove

nythin

at all with this dirt.

You are the one calling it dirt. It is up to you to prove it is dirt or

I'm as confused as the next guy, but I suspect that when Al hears us say "dirt" he thinks we mean "rubbish."

The word could be getting lost in international translation;

Al: In the USA, "dirt" means: dirty laundry, uncovered corruption, etc.

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It is up to you to prove it is dirt

There is no evidence of any crime.

Biden being on the take for 50 Million from multiple foreign lands and then intentionally putting this money into hundreds of LLC's and into off shore accounts as well. You think that is normal behavior?

Why do you bring up Hunter Biden? Is it a distraction from Donald Trump's AI> crimes and charges?

The alleged crimes that Trump has been charged are based on a Kangaroo court. They exist for several reasons, but legitimacy has never been one of those reasons.
1. These charges from the DOJ are premeditated to do several things.
Change the mind of Trump Supporters to grow distance w/ doubt in hopes that this will weaken Trump. We are not blind nor do we forget everything that the Democratic party has done in the past with a effort to damage Trump.

2. Ever notice when the heat is turned up on Biden, mysteriously it follows another charge within a few days thereafter against Trump.
This is a distraction. It is entirely dishonest as well.

3. This is a very much a political prosecution, going after the republican front-runner, they want to bog him down in court so that Trump will not be effective on the campaign trail, such a action is being noticed in plain sight, and I will tell you right now that this is a miscalculation on their part. Trump support will only grow stronger, specially when the left pulls stunts like these.

4. I'm at the point and (I know that I'm not alone.)
"who cares what Trump did" w/ these alleged process crimes.
There is no case in GA, Washington, D.C. New York, or Southern Florida.

Impeachment of Joe Biden is looking more and more imminent.

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There is no evidence of any crime.

Biden being on the take for 50 Million from multiple foreign lands and then intentionally putting this money into hundreds of LLC's and into off shore accounts as well. You think that is normal behavior?

So it's 50 Million now! I understand.

Why do you bring up Hunter Biden? Is it a distraction from Donald Trump's
crimes and charges?

The alleged crimes that Trump has been charged are based on a Kangaroo court.

The charges were brought for the US DOJ. Hardly a kangaroo court.

That doesn't aanswer why you (or someone else) keeps bringing up Hunter Biden.

They exist for several reasons, but legitimacy has never been one of those reasons.

They are completely legitimate. Questions? Ask a lawyer.

1. These charges from the DOJ are premeditated to do several things.
Change the mind of Trump Supporters to grow distance w/ doubt in hopes that this will weaken Trump. We are not blind nor do we forget everything that the Democratic party has done in the past with a effort to damage Trump.

The mind of Trump voters is not a concern.

2. Ever notice when the heat is turned up on Biden, mysteriously it follows another charge within a few days thereafter against Trump.
This is a distraction. It is entirely dishonest as well.

I am surprised by the charges too. I never expected any of the "documents" charges. It never crossed my mind. Trump could have avoided those simply by returning the documents when he was asked to return them.

I don't care much about the Stormy charges either. He could have avoided those charges too.

I have been expecting charges around Jan. 6 and the fake electors and the Georgia phone call. Those (all in fact) charges are well deserved and I hope he will be convicted for those actions.

3. This is a very much a political prosecution, going after the republican front-runner, they want to bog him down in court so that Trump will not be effective on the campaign trail, such a action is being noticed in plain sight and I will tell you right now that this is a miscalculation on their part. Trump support will only grow stronger, specially when the left pulls stunts like these.

The "documents" case, the Georgia cases, and the Jan. 6 has been going on since shortly after the donald left office. He was not a candidate at the time. He was private citizen so it is clearly not political.

If I was a republican I would put someone else on the ticket. I don't know who but I'd get on that.

4. I'm at the point and (I know that I'm not alone.)
"who cares what Trump did" w/ these alleged process crimes.
There is no case in GA, Washington, D.C. New York, or Southern Florida.

I know you don't care. That much has been clear.

Impeachment of Joe Biden is looking more and more imminent.

You'll need a crime of some sort.

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The charges were brought for the US DOJ. Hardly a kangaroo court.

You need to understand the motive behind these men of the DOJ; who they are to have a full understanding of why and what they are doing.
I get it, you could care less, but when they fall, and make no mistake they will fall. You then might then be interested why they fell and more importantly how they could of let you down.

That doesn't aanswer why you (or someone else) keeps bringing up Hunter Biden.

Hunter is a slime ball and all roads do lead to the Big Guy (Joe Biden) or maybe you didn't hear that hunter's sweetheart deal fell apart.

They exist for several reasons, but legitimacy has never been one of thos
reasons.

They are completely legitimate. Questions? Ask a lawyer.

Any such lawyer that operates to protect Hunter Biden, and who goes along corrupt DOJ should be disbarred. It is these same lawyers who want to ban and disbar any lawyer if they get hired by Trump. This is the stuff that goes on within a banana republic, not the United States of America.

The mind of Trump voters is not a concern.

Maybe not to you a Canadian, but none the less I do believe there is an effort to change the minds of voters, as they try to paint a negative view of Trump. We already know what Trump brought as a previous President and it was marvelous and from those years most of us can see what a complete train wreck the Biden Administration has been and we can also see where it is going in a downward spiral.

2. Ever notice when the heat is turned up on Biden, mysteriously it follo AI> > another charge within a few days thereafter against Trump.

This is a distraction. It is entirely dishonest as well.

I am surprised by the charges too. I never expected any of the
"documents" charges. It never crossed my mind. Trump could have avoided those simply by returning the documents when he was asked to return them.

The Presidential Records Acts says he has 5 years to work with this office, it has only been 3 and he was working with this office, then his place gets raided by Garland's DOJ. Trouble is the Presidential Records act was never mentioned as the act that was allegedly violated. The only thing that they could come up with is the a so called violation of the Espionage Act.

The Act also outlawed false statements intended to interfere with military operations; attempts to incite insubordination or obstruct the recruitment of troops; and false statements promoting the success of America's enemies. Those charged with violations were subject to a $10,000 fine and twenty years imprisonment.

Explain to me or attempt to explain how this fits against Trump.

More on this at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917

I don't care much about the Stormy charges either. He could have avoided those charges too.

Bragg is a complete imbecile his case is pointless, he has yet to explain how the misdemeanor gets boot strapped into a a felony, or what crime was committed to create the felony.
Nonetheless the statue of limitations has expired over a year ago from when we all learned of Alvin Cheeseburger Bragg.

I have been expecting charges around Jan. 6 and the fake electors and the Georgia phone call. Those (all in fact) charges are well deserved and I hope he will be convicted for those actions.

The Defense will have the transcript of what was said, by all parties including Trump. There was nothing wrong with that Georgia phone call.

3. This is a very much a political prosecution, going after the republica
front-runner, they want to bog him down in court so that Trump will not b
effective on the campaign trail, such a action is being noticed in plain sight and I will tell you right now that this is a miscalculation on thei
part. Trump support will only grow stronger, specially when the left pull
stunts like these.

The "documents" case, the Georgia cases, and the Jan. 6 has been going
on since shortly after the donald left office. He was not a candidate at the time. He was private citizen so it is clearly not political.

If Donald Trump wasn't running for election of the Presidency there wouldn't be any charges, they are doing all of this to stop him (or so they think) of Trump becoming the next President) haven't you been paying attention?

There is no case for January 6th either, again there is the matter of the transcript of every word spoken by Trump and I do believe he told people to (paraphrasing) "to remain peaceful", he even inquired about having the national guard at this event, a day or days before the event but the newscast that you watch or the newspapers you read didn't cover this at all, did it?

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On 07-29-23 15:38, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: IRS Testimony <=-

It is up to you to prove it is dirt

There is no evidence of any crime.

Biden being on the take for 50 Million from multiple
foreign lands and then intentionally putting this money
into hundreds of LLC's and into off shore accounts as well.
You think that is normal behavior?

Really? What foreign lands? What LLC's and off shore accounts? Or are
you just repeating some hyperbole that you heard someone say without
evidence?

The alleged crimes that Trump has been charged are based on a Kangaroo court. They exist for several reasons, but legitimacy has never
been one of those reasons.

It was a jury of people like you and me that made those charges. The
crimes he has been charged with so far are quite serious.

1. These charges from the DOJ are premeditated to do several things. Change the mind of Trump Supporters to grow distance w/

Nope -- they are premeditated to show that no one is above the law.
Others who have done less than what Trump is charged for in Florida are
now serving multiple year sentences in Federal prisons.

2. Ever notice when the heat is turned up on Biden,
mysteriously it follows another charge within a few days
thereafter against Trump.
This is a distraction. It is entirely dishonest as well.

Trying to make such a connection is a distraction.

4. I'm at the point and (I know that I'm not alone.)
"who cares what Trump did" w/ these alleged process crimes.

Then you do not care about people who violate the trust of the American
public.

There is no case in GA, Washington, D.C. New York, or Southern
Florida.

There are cases yet to come.

Impeachment of Joe Biden is looking more and more imminent.

No one has given any reasonable statement as to why.

Dale Shipp
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The charges were brought for the US DOJ. Hardly a kangaroo court.

You need to understand the motive behind these men of the DOJ; who they are to have a full understanding of why and what they are doing.

I understand The motive behind the charges.

I get it, you could care less, but when they fall, and make no mistake they will fall. You then might then be interested why they fell and more importantly how they could of let you down.

I do care. I believe Donald Trump will fall. Because of his own actions, not someone elses.

That doesn't aanswer why you (or someone else) keeps bringing up Hunter
Biden.

Hunter is a slime ball and all roads do lead to the Big Guy (Joe Biden) or maybe you didn't hear that hunter's sweetheart deal fell apart.

Oh right. I forgot. The "Big Guy".

They are completely legitimate. Questions? Ask a lawyer.

Any such lawyer that operates to protect Hunter Biden, and who goes along corrupt DOJ should be disbarred. It is these same lawyers who want to ban and disbar any lawyer if they get hired by Trump. This is the stuff that goes on within a banana republic, not the United States of America.

I am saying the charges against Trump are legitimate and if you question that then ask a lawyer, not spin up some nonsense to back up an unsupportable position.

The mind of Trump voters is not a concern.

Maybe not to you a Canadian, but none the less I do believe there is an effort to change the minds of voters, as they try to paint a negative view
of Trump. We already know what Trump brought as a previous President and it was marvelous and from those years most of us can see what a complete train wreck the Biden Administration has been and we can also see where it is
going in a downward spiral.

I know you and many others voted for Donald Trump and you wanted him to continue.

The fact that didn't happen doesn't mean there is some kind of downward spiral.

2. Ever notice when the heat is turned up on Biden, mysteriously it follo

another charge within a few days thereafter against Trump.
This is a distraction. It is entirely dishonest as well.

It is completely honest and not a distraction. I knew these investigations were underway (as did Donald Trump) and charges would be laid when/if evidence to support charges was found.

I am surprised by the charges too. I never expected any of the
"documents" charges. It never crossed my mind. Trump could have avoided
those simply by returning the documents when he was asked to return them.

The Presidential Records Acts says he has 5 years to work with this office, it >has only been 3 and he was working with this office, then his place gets raide
by Garland's DOJ. Trouble is the Presidential Records act was never mentioned
as the act that was allegedly violated. The only thing that they could come up
with is the a so called violation of the Espionage Act.

The Act also outlawed false statements intended to interfere with military operations; attempts to incite insubordination or obstruct the recruitment of
troops; and false statements promoting the success of America's enemies. Those
charged with violations were subject to a $10,000 fine and twenty years imprisonment.

Explain to me or attempt to explain how this fits against Trump.

Many have been charged under the espionage act, not all were "spies". Recently.

The charges are not about the presidential records act although Trump would lose such a case also.

The charges are all around national security. Do you care about America and national security?

I don't care much about the Stormy charges either. He could have avoided
those charges too.

Bragg is a complete imbecile his case is pointless, he has yet to explain how
the misdemeanor gets boot strapped into a a felony, or what crime was committe
to create the felony.
Nonetheless the statue of limitations has expired over a year ago from when we
all learned of Alvin Cheeseburger Bragg.

I haven't followed the Stormy case, no idea.

I have been expecting charges around Jan. 6 and the fake electors and the
Georgia phone call. Those (all in fact) charges are well deserved and I
hope he will be convicted for those actions.

The Defense will have the transcript of what was said, by all parties includin
Trump. There was nothing wrong with that Georgia phone call.

That was not the "perfect phone call" as you call it.

"Guys, gimme a break. I need 11,000 votes"

The Georgia indictment is going to be a tough one for Donald Trump.

The "documents" case, the Georgia cases, and the Jan. 6 has been going
on since shortly after the donald left office. He was not a candidate at
the time. He was private citizen so it is clearly not political.

If Donald Trump wasn't running for election of the Presidency there wouldn't be any charges, they are doing all of this to stop him (or so they think) of Trump becoming the next President) haven't you been paying attention?

Uh, yeah, there would be. As I said these investigations were well under way before Donald Trump announced he was running.

There is no case for January 6th either, again there is the matter of the transcript of every word spoken by Trump and I do believe he told people to
(paraphrasing) "to remain peaceful", he even inquired about having the nationa
guard at this event, a day or days before the event but the newscast that you watch or the newspapers you read didn't cover this at all, did it?

Donald Trump did say early on Jan 6 to "peacefully and patriotically march to the capitol". Near the end of his speach he also said "If you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore".

What were all the fake elector about? They were about installing a president not elected by the people.

The Jan. 6 case is also strong. I am not sure how Donald's defence lawyers will defend that although they will have to come up with a defence.

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Hello Alan,

You are the one calling it dirt.

That's what it is.

Took them five years to dig it up.

It is up to you to prove it is dirt

There is no evidence of any crime.

But there is plenty of dirt.
As shown by Hunter Biden's lawyer.
In a letter he wrote to the panel.
You can view it in my post to Mike.

or shut up.

You don't have to read or reply.

And yet it still exists.

Why do you bring up Hunter Biden?

Because that is what the two whisteblowers were blowing about.

Is it a distraction from Donald Trump's crimes and charges?

Five years. Begun during the Trump administration, and finishing
up just in time to make it an issue for the next election.

Of course, do try to realize who those two whistleblowers are -
The "agent" will be a janitor or housekeeping employee who "saw"
and "overheard" certain things. They were not employed as agents,
but technically they were employed to work in a IRS facility.

IOW, this was all a political stunt. Concocted by Republicans
as an attempt to bring down Joe Biden - any which way they can.

I wonder how much they were paid by Republican operatives to
become a "whistleblower"? After all, no self-respecting IRS agent
would be willing to even contemplate stooping that low ...

For Life,
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It is up to you to prove it is dirt

There is no evidence of any crime.

Al is a moron who has proven he has absolutely no understanding of our Constitution (and probably not even his own), what obstruction of justice
is (unless a Republican does it), or much anything else regarding our US
legal system.

He also lives in a very "desirable" area of BC where he and whoever he associates with likely live in a bubble (and where many are dependent on Chinese tourism money) and rarely interact with anyone who is not of their economic class.

Since he suggested it first, I suggest we all stop responding to him until he actually posts something that proves he has more than a handful of brain cells and/or has reconnected with reality.


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1. These charges from the DOJ are premeditated to do several things. Change the mind of Trump Supporters to grow distance w/

Nope -- they are premeditated to show that no one is above the law.
Others who have done less than what Trump is charged for in Florida are
now serving multiple year sentences in Federal prisons.

And others who have done similar, and less, to what Hunter was charged for
are also serving multiple year sentences. The difference being that they
were not near as connected as Hunter, and their father's transition team
was not kept in the loop to assist with obstructing IRS investigations.


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Hello Alan,

[..]

Impeachment of Joe Biden is looking more and more imminent.

You'll need a crime of some sort.

What are "crimes and misdemeanors"?
Whatever the House defines as such.

That is what President Gerald Ford told the news media when asked
if the impeachment of Richard Nixon would have been constitutional.

He was right then. And he would be right today.

Of course, the House really did have reason to impeach Richard Nixon.
Which is why he resiged from office in disgrace.

For Life,
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On 30 Jul 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

Really? What foreign lands? What LLC's and off shore accounts? Or are you just repeating some hyperbole that you heard someone say without evidence?

GOP Rep. Nancy Mace claims Biden family received over $50M from influence peddling scheme
Source: Fox Business
https://tinyurl.com/4rufejvc

New Evidence Resulting from the Oversight Committee's Investigation into the Biden Family's Influence Peddling and Business Schemes
Source: Congress of the United States, House of Representatives
Committee on Oversight and Accountability
https://tinyurl.com/2r6n5bn9

Chinese elite have paid some $31 million to Hunter and the Bidens
Source: NYPOST.com
https://tinyurl.com/ykn35yf3

This is not The End to this information that will be coming.

The alleged crimes that Trump has been charged are based on a Kangaroo
court. They exist for several reasons, but legitimacy has never been one of those reasons.

It was a jury of people like you and me that made those charges. The crimes he has been charged with so far are quite serious.

First of all there is no Jury, in the majority of cases.
You're being very broad here, and misleading at the same time with the use of the very large brush. Are you doing this to convince yourself and others who think just the way you do. That your right, this is called despotism.

The only one that I know of is the New York Case where there is NO case.
There is no new information on what crime was committed (Bragg never told us) that bootstraps a misdemeanor (of which has expired due to the statue of limitations.) into a felony. Which is why there is NO case, as the saying goes "We all innocent until proven guilty" this includes Donald Trump too.

1. These charges from the DOJ are premeditated to do several things. Change the mind of Trump Supporters to grow distance w/

Nope -- they are premeditated to show that no one is above the law.
Others who have done less than what Trump is charged for in Florida are now serving multiple year sentences in Federal prisons.

Oh stop it with all of that, what your talking about is a process crime at worst, the Presidential Records Act was never mentioned, because it wouldn't fit. So they went The Espionage Act.

The Espionage Act broadly sought to crack down on wartime activities considered dangerous or disloyal, including attempts to acquire defense-related information with the intent to harm the United States, or acquire code and signal books, photographs, blueprints, and other such documents with the intention of passing ...

These are the idiots you seem to be supporting, so tell me if possible.
How does the Espionage Act fit here and what is the twisted logic with its use.

4. I'm at the point and (I know that I'm not alone.)
"who cares what Trump did" w/ these alleged process crimes.

Then you do not care about people who violate the trust of the American public.

Violate the Trust of the American People? Seriously Dale.
Joe Biden and the Biden Family are corrupt, to which point of the damage and just how far is the depth of the Biden corruption. We will all know the answer to these questions as more information is coming.

So which violates the trust of the American people more, not returning Federal documents when a person was President or raking in millions of dollars from China, Russia and Ukraine? If that was not bad enough but there is information from Bank records show hundreds of LLC shell companies, which means that the Biden's tried to conceal this from the American People that you claim to admire and care so much about. Give me a break...

There is no case in GA, Washington, D.C. New York, or Southern

Florida.

There are cases yet to come.

Impeachment of Joe Biden is looking more and more imminent.

No one has given any reasonable statement as to why.

You can play dumb and pretend all you want, but when the $#!t hit's the fan, remember you were the one, who had no clue.

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The fact that didn't happen doesn't mean there is some kind of downward spiral.

Border is a mess, inflation don't even get me started.
Does Biden's and the Democrats do they hate America, because it looks like it from where I sit.
What is the Biden doing about the division, because he did say that he would unite us, his policies are very Un-American.
Just look at his cabinet it will tell you all you need to know.
It speaks all for it self and it's not whatsoever in the positive.

The charges are all around national security. Do you care about America and national security?

I think I just addressed that.
Let's clarify on the slim chance that I was unclear.
Trump allegedly having Federal documents does not harm national security one bit, and that's the truth.
The DOJ is doing all these things and applauding the actions of like minded individuals because they are terrified that they will lose power, these so called charges are nothing more then a end to what the Democrats hold most dear
Power.

Trump. There was nothing wrong with that Georgia phone call.

That was not the "perfect phone call" as you call it.

"Guys, gimme a break. I need 11,000 votes"

That is not all illegal. Is it? Nope...

Donald Trump did say early on Jan 6 to "peacefully and patriotically
march to the capitol". Near the end of his speach he also said "If you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore".

You're taking out of context more then just a little bit.

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The fact that didn't happen doesn't mean there is some kind of downward
spiral.

Border is a mess,

What do you want to do about the border?

inflation don't even get me started.

I won't. Inflation is not a big issue at the moment.

Does Biden's and the Democrats do they hate America, because it looks like it from where I sit.

Biden is doing very well for America.

What is the Biden doing about the division, because he did say that he would unite us, his policies are very Un-American.

Biden policies are working for all Americans.

Just look at his cabinet it will tell you all you need to know.
It speaks all for it self and it's not whatsoever in the positive.

What is the issue with Biden's cabinet?

The charges are all around national security. Do you care about America
and national security?

I think I just addressed that.
Let's clarify on the slim chance that I was unclear.
Trump allegedly having Federal documents does not harm national security one bit, and that's the truth.

I hope that is true but I am not convinced.

The DOJ is doing all these things and applauding the actions of like minded individuals because they are terrified that they will lose power, these so called charges are nothing more then a end to what the Democrats hold most dear Power.

The DOJ is not appluding anything.

Trump. There was nothing wrong with that Georgia phone call.

That was not the "perfect phone call" as you call it.

"Guys, gimme a break. I need 11,000 votes"

That is not all illegal. Is it? Nope...

It is telling.

Donald Trump did say early on Jan 6 to "peacefully and patriotically
march to the capitol". Near the end of his speach he also said "If you
don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore".

You're taking out of context more then just a little bit.

Nope, I heard Donald speak those words live on TV.

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On 07-30-23 13:04, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: IRS Testimony <=-

Really? What foreign lands? What LLC's and off shore accounts? Or are you just repeating some hyperbole that you heard someone say without evidence?

GOP Rep. Nancy Mace claims Biden family received over $50M
from influence peddling scheme
Source: Fox Business
https://tinyurl.com/4rufejvc

Rep. Mace and Fox are far from being objective or believable.

New Evidence Resulting from the Oversight Committee's
Investigation into the Biden Family's Influence Peddling
and Business Schemes
Source: Congress of the United States, House of Representatives
Committee on Oversight and Accountability
https://tinyurl.com/2r6n5bn9

I'll try to read this one.

Chinese elite have paid some $31 million to Hunter and the Bidens
Source: NYPOST.com
https://tinyurl.com/ykn35yf3

NYPOST is almost the same as Fox News in terms of its objectivity and believeability.

It was a jury of people like you and me that made those charges. The crimes he has been charged with so far are quite serious.

First of all there is no Jury, in the majority of cases.

You are wrong. Each of the indictments has come from a grand jury who
voted to indict.

"We all innocent until proven guilty" this includes Donald
Trump too.

That is true. He will get his day in court(s). The Florida charges are
quite specific and hard for him to get out of. I'm not so sure about
the charges in the NY State court.

Nope -- they are premeditated to show that no one is above the law.
Others who have done less than what Trump is charged for in Florida are now serving multiple year sentences in Federal prisons.

Oh stop it with all of that, what your talking about is a
process crime at worst, the Presidential Records Act was
never mentioned, because it wouldn't fit. So they went The
Espionage Act.

Being charged with having classifying documents and refusing to return
them is *not* a process crime. Neither is showing classified documents
to people who have no need to know and no clearance.

The Espionage Act broadly sought to crack down on wartime activities considered dangerous or disloyal, including attempts to
acquire defense-related information with the intent to harm
the United States, or acquire code and signal books,
photographs, blueprints, and other such documents with the
intention of passing ...

Those things would probably fall under the Espionage act, but it is not
limited to that. There are people who simply stockpiled classified
documents with no intent to disperse them to anyone else. They got
serious charges. They did *less* than what Trump has been accused of
doing.

These are the idiots you seem to be supporting, so tell me if
possible. How does the Espionage Act fit here and what is the twisted logic with its use.

You are not reading the entire act. What you describe is part of the
act, but there is more that does not involve transmitting to a foreign government.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

18 U.S. Code � 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

(d)Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or
being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book,
sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or
information relating to the national defense which information the
possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the
United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated,
delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit
or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any
person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and
fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United
States entitled to receive it; or

(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over
any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information
relating to the national defense which information the possessor has
reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to
the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or
attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive
it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer
or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

(f)Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control
of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1)
through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper
place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to
be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that
the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen,
abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss,
theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer� Shall be
fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

It is the sections above which will apply in Trump's case.

4. I'm at the point and (I know that I'm not alone.)
"who cares what Trump did" w/ these alleged process crimes.

Then you do not care about people who violate the trust of the American public.

Violate the Trust of the American People? Seriously Dale.

Very serious.

Joe Biden and the Biden Family are corrupt, to which point
of the damage and just how far is the depth of the Biden
corruption. We will all know the answer to these questions
as more information is coming.

Not based on any reliable information that has come out as of yet.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

Does Biden's and the Democrats do they hate America, because it looks
like it from where I sit.

Of course they hate America.

People like Biden are worthless. They can't invent anything. They can't build a new business. If it wasn't for their corruption, they'd be flipping burgers and getting yelled at by their manager all the time for being slow and neglecting their job.

But in their minds, they are important and necessary people.

They only way they can "succeed" is by illegal means.

But they are also stupid. They don't understand that they are "killing the cow that gives the milk". They just use what others create until it's used up and then move on to something else.

Maybe we should start calling them Social Paracites.


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Those things would probably fall under the Espionage act, but it is not limited to that. There are people who simply stockpiled classified
documents with no intent to disperse them to anyone else. They got
serious charges. They did *less* than what Trump has been accused of
doing.

I have heard people claim that the recent case of the Pentagon employee who
got caught with documents is one where the perp "did less" but that is not actually true. His charges include trying to shop them around on the
Internet, which is not "less."

Recent cases where folks "did less" by stockpiling classified documents in insecure locations (like their garages, law offices, etc.) and who were at
the time not covered by any Presidential authority have had no charges filed.

If Trump really did something, beyond careless storage, and that can be proven beyond doubt, then he should get in trouble. If it turns out to be a case
of carelessness and a misunderstanding regarding their return, thanks to
very recent precident, I don't see a case here either.

You are not reading the entire act. What you describe is part of the
act, but there is more that does not involve transmitting to a foreign government.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

There is some irony here... it was the Espionage Act that Eugene Debs was accused of violating in 1918 (for an anti-war speach) that landed him in
jail for his 1920 Presidential run.

Since we've just been discussing him, I thought I would bring that up. ;)


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On 31 Jul 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 07-30-23 13:04, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: IRS Testimony <=-

Really? What foreign lands? What LLC's and off shore accounts? Or a
you just repeating some hyperbole that you heard someone say without evidence?

GOP Rep. Nancy Mace claims Biden family received over $50M
from influence peddling scheme
Source: Fox Business
https://tinyurl.com/4rufejvc

Rep. Mace and Fox are far from being objective or believable.

I wanted to reply to your message when I saw noticed it this morning, but there was no time to respond to this message with the type of response that it
deserved and being as long as it is, there was no time.

New Evidence Resulting from the Oversight Committee's
Investigation into the Biden Family's Influence Peddling
and Business Schemes
Source: Congress of the United States, House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability https://tinyurl.com/2r6n5bn9

I'll try to read this one.

Great because I am almost certain that the folks at CNN or MSNBC will cover it.

Chinese elite have paid some $31 million to Hunter and the Bidens Source: NYPOST.com
https://tinyurl.com/ykn35yf3

NYPOST is almost the same as Fox News in terms of its objectivity and believeability.

So the NYPOST is going to put themselves out there in legal jeopardy to be sued, and all the while trying to exist in what is a tough to survive Joe Biden economy, this is unlikely to be the case.

As far as Fox News is concerned something died on Election night of 2020. It wouldn't be the first time this has been said.
Why did they make this bargain for what was their Soul?
Maybe they did this so that the execs and the suits would be invited as well as socially accepted at cocktail parties.

It was a jury of people like you and me that made those charges. The crimes he has been charged with so far are quite serious.

First of all there is no Jury, in the majority of cases.

You are wrong. Each of the indictments has come from a grand jury who DS> voted to indict.

Grand Jury made up from seething Democrats.
(details matter)

"We all innocent until proven guilty" this includes Donald
Trump too.

That is true. He will get his day in court(s). The Florida charges are quite specific and hard for him to get out of. I'm not so sure about
the charges in the NY State court.

The Florida case is not impossible nor would it be hard to overcome.
It is going to be in South Florida, all there needs to be one person to look at everything that has been attempted to harm Donald Trump, one person with common sense to be objective and say Yeah No this has gone far enough, and it's over for the Trump haters of the world.

Others who have done less than what Trump is charged for in Florida ar DS> DS> now DS> GD> Oh stop it with all of that, what your talking about is a

process crime at worst, the Presidential Records Act was
never mentioned, because it wouldn't fit. So they went The
Espionage Act.

Being charged with having classifying documents and refusing to return
them is *not* a process crime. Neither is showing classified documents
to people who have no need to know and no clearance.

It also has NOTHING to do with the Espionage Act.

The Espionage Act broadly sought to crack down on wartime activities considered dangerous or disloyal, including attempts to
acquire defense-related information with the intent to harm
the United States, or acquire code and signal books,
photographs, blueprints, and other such documents with the
intention of passing ...

Based on the text of what is listed above, it doesn't fit. Whatsoever.

Those things would probably fall under the Espionage act, but it is not limited to that. There are people who simply stockpiled classified documents with no intent to disperse them to anyone else. They got serious charges. They did *less* than what Trump has been accused of doing.

We who are on the Right want much more than just "probably"
We are not going to go with mere speculation and neither will Trumps legal team. To try to fit a round peg into what is clearly a square hole is not Justice at all, is it?

Conservatives can clearly see, what is really is going on here.

These are the idiots you seem to be supporting, so tell me if possible. How does the Espionage Act fit here and what is the twisted
logic with its use.

You are not reading the entire act. What you describe is part of the
act, but there is more that does not involve transmitting to a foreign government.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

18 U.S. Code � 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense
information

(d)Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the
United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated,
delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit
or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and
fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

(f)Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control
of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer� Shall be
fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

It is the sections above which will apply in Trump's case.

There hasn't been any (injury) to the U.S.
or any such attempt to do so.
There hasn't been any (transmission with a foreign nation to take advantage) or any such attempt to do so.
There hasn't been any violation because Trump was the President.
As I said above, simply does not fit.

Trump was the man who was behind Make America Great Again, and America First then this crap from the DOJ you see. It (the DOJ part) has a problem flowing off the tongue. That generates a look of "Get the fu*k outta here."

(The DOJ is not interested in Justice, they do want to desperately stop Trump from becoming the 47th President. (this so called legal crap is the vehicle) and they are still quite pissed that he was the 45th President and they are furious that he was acquitted x2 after being impeached x2 times.
Make no mistake about that either.

There IS however a duel application of the law, because if they are going
to after Trump then they should go after Biden as well, he had documents strewed and scattered all over the place, at multiple locations no one raided his home or any of the locations where these documents were at, did they?

They should also go after Hillary Clinton for deleting 30,000 emails that were under subpoena and were the property of the U.S. Government and they were on a an unprotected sever in a broom closet of a mom & pop establishment as I recall.
This crazy lunatic destroyed; smashing blackberries with hammers and
treating Hard drives with bleach-bit.

Trump could of sought a special counsel to look into Hillary, but he didn't Maybe when he is President again he will.

Joe Biden and the Biden Family are corrupt, to which point
of the damage and just how far is the depth of the Biden
corruption. We will all know the answer to these questions
as more information is coming.

Not based on any reliable information that has come out as of yet.

It already has it was learned today that Joe Biden was on the speaker phone at least 20 times with Hunter among his business associates at his foreign business dealings, in order to maintain "The Brand" was Joe Biden, because without Joe Biden there was no brand and no influence.

Funny how Joe Biden is on record saying he knew nothing of Hunters foreign dealings and now they changed it up to say that he (Joe Biden) was not in business with Hunters foreign business dealings.
Maybe they didn't think we would notice. We Noticed.

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Source: Fox News
Title: Jesse Watters: Devon Archer just flipped on the Bidens, and it's bad
The 50 Million Dollar Man / Joe Biden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVClVeLDDNk

Source: Fox News
Title: Ingraham: Joe Biden lied
America For Sale "Facts are stubborn Things" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkj4s3DirJE

Source: Fox News
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Source: Fox News
Title: Jesse Watters: Devon Archer just flipped on the Bidens, and it's bad The 50 Million Dollar Man / Joe Biden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVClVeLDDNk
Source: Fox News

Do you think Fox is telling the truth day?

Say? How much was that settlement again? $787,500,000?

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Source: Fox News
Title: Jesse Watters: Devon Archer just flipped on the Bidens, and it's bad The 50 Million Dollar Man / Joe Biden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVClVeLDDNk

That (as I suspected) turns out to be more fox news lies.

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On 01 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

Source: Fox News
Title: Jesse Watters: Devon Archer just flipped on the Bidens, and it's b
The 50 Million Dollar Man / Joe Biden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVClVeLDDNk

That (as I suspected) turns out to be more fox news lies.

We just have to see what to see what happens.
Ya know if he (Biden) wasn't corrupt, he would not have to worry about the Republicans uncovering anything.
But by the end of what was Biden's Vice Presidency he thought his political life that has spanned nearly 50 years was over so he turned on the money spigot and became The Brand. Surely these foreign countries wouldn't pay Hunter 10 cents without his Dad being the Vice-President.
It is clear and quite obvious that they were paying for access to Joe Biden. Don't give that crap that they were walking about the weather w/ phone calls went out to Dad on the cell phone. They paying for the Brand called Joe Biden a man who could fix things within a corrupt country. Lord know he has not fixed anything here within the United States, still waiting for that list.

What is the Weather like in Ukraine. cold.

Things are going to get much worse for Joesph R. Biden Jr.
It was due to Joe's arrogance over words that were taken out of context and a misunderstanding when Trump allegedly mentioned Good people on both sides comment. Joey then got fired up in the basement and got the courage to run,
(and some odd reason) he remained in that very same basement while running but the old fool either forgot or did not care about his connections and actions as it related to his son Hunter.
I think the later was the case with Joe, being as arrogant as he is.
History will more than likley show that Joe Biden was the most corrupt person to hold the office of the Presidency in all of U.S. History.

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That (as I suspected) turns out to be more fox news lies.

We just have to see what to see what happens.

We do see what has happened.

Ya know if he (Biden) wasn't corrupt, he would not have to worry about the Republicans uncovering anything.

What makes you think Joe Biden is worried?

History will more than likley show that Joe Biden was the most corrupt person to hold the office of the Presidency in all of U.S. History.

History will tell the Joe Biden story when the time comes.

The Donald Trump story will also be told although much of it is only unfolding now.

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On 01 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

That (as I suspected) turns out to be more fox news lies.

We just have to see what to see what happens.

We do see what has happened.

Ya know if he (Biden) wasn't corrupt, he would not have to worry about th
Republicans uncovering anything.

What makes you think Joe Biden is worried?

Joe Biden lied many times, when he said he had nothing to do with Hunter's business dealings. This is a obvious lie due the sworn testimony from Devon Archer that Joe Biden was called and spoke on the phone at least 20 times, at these Business meetings with Hunter and his associates of foreign business partners at these meetings.

Then the wording changed with what was released.
It went from he did not have any knowledge of TO he was not in business. Opps.




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History will more than likley show that Joe Biden was the most corrupt pe
to hold the office of the Presidency in all of U.S. History.

History will tell the Joe Biden story when the time comes.

The Donald Trump story will also be told although much of it is only unfolding now.

It's amazing Trump ended his term as U.S. President in January of 2022, and still in August of 2023 he is still much in the news and on the minds rent free of libs everywhere. All of these phony indictments designed to slow him down, because the left is so terrified that Trump will win and if that happens it will be worse then death for these people on the left who crave
power and control.

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What makes you think Joe Biden is worried?

Joe Biden lied many times,

That's what I keep hearing.

when he said he had nothing to do with Hunter's business dealings. This is a obvious lie due the sworn testimony from Devon Archer that Joe Biden was called and spoke on the phone at least 20 times, at these Business meetings with Hunter and his associates of foreign business partners at these meetings.

Yes, Devon Archer said there were at east 20 phone calls and he also said The Bidens were not talking business.

Then the wording changed with what was released.
It went from he did not have any knowledge of TO he was not in business. Opps.

Did the story change?

History will tell the Joe Biden story when the time comes.

The Donald Trump story will also be told although much of it is only
unfolding now.

It's amazing Trump ended his term as U.S. President in January of 2022, and still in August of 2023 he is still much in the news and on the minds rent free of libs everywhere. All of these phony indictments designed to slow him down, because the left is so terrified that Trump will win and if that happens it will be worse then death for these people on the left who crave power and control.

Those indictments are not phony.

The DOJ has not attempted to stop, or even slow down Donald Trump. Others charged with similar crimes are held in custody while awaiting trial. That is not the case with Donald Trump. He is free to go where he wants, travel where he wants and speak to who he wants (aside from co-defendants). He is free to campaign at will.

This is clearly a justice issue.

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On 02 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

Yes, Devon Archer said there were at east 20 phone calls and he also
said The Bidens were not talking business.

The Biden's were selling access... All Hunter had to do was show the people/clients that he could call his father at any time.

Did the story change?

The story changed more than Hunter changed prostitutes.

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Yes, Devon Archer said there were at east 20 phone calls and he also
said The Bidens were not talking business.

The Biden's were selling access... All Hunter had to do was show the people/clients that he could call his father at any time.

That's the right wing spin that has been going around for years but that is not what Devon Archer said.

Did the story change?

The story changed more than Hunter changed prostitutes.

The spin has changed, the facts are unchanged.

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On 02 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

That's the right wing spin that has been going around for years but that is not what Devon Archer said.

The story changed more than Hunter changed prostitutes.

The spin has changed, the facts are unchanged.

Is it mushroom season still??

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The story changed more than Hunter changed prostitutes.

The spin has changed, the facts are unchanged.

Is it mushroom season still??

Why oh why, are we talking about Hunter Biden?

This "mushroom season" talk is yet more spin.

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On 02 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

Why oh why, are we talking about Hunter Biden?

This "mushroom season" talk is yet more spin.

No... but it would explain some of your answers

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Why oh why, are we talking about Hunter Biden?

This "mushroom season" talk is yet more spin.

No... but it would explain some of your answers

You don't care much for the truth.

But why are we talking about Hunter Biden?

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On 02 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

What makes you think Joe Biden is worried?

Joe Biden lied many times,

That's what I keep hearing.

when he said he had nothing to do with Hunter's business dealings. This i
obvious lie due the sworn testimony from Devon Archer that Joe Biden was called and spoke on the phone at least 20 times, at these Business meetin
with Hunter and his associates of foreign business partners at these meetings.

Yes, Devon Archer said there were at east 20 phone calls and he also
said The Bidens were not talking business.

That last bit about the Biden's not talking business is lefty-spin from
Rep. Daniel Goldman, he is trying to save face.
This spin is factually false for many reasons.
1. What did "no experience" Hunter bring to the table to offer, he knew nothing of gas or oil, he said as much on Good Morning America.
It is clear as to his of his involvement, access to his father Joe Biden, VP.

2 The DOJ via Joe Biden tried to intimidate Devon Archer with a mailings of a threating letter [this was almost right out of the movie Goodfellas] from the DOJ on a Saturday - this is noteworthy because it almost never happens.
3 Do you know why Devon Archer testified in the first place, because he felt like was thrown under the bus and felt betrayed by the Bidens.
The three facts show that the spin from Goldman is categorically false.
Sounds like a Crock of Schiff.

Those indictments are not phony.

The Washington case is very weak have you read the indictment?
This will fall apart when it hits at a high speed or any at any speed against the Freedom of Speech protections.
The indictment is about Trump's spoken words not about at what happened at the Capitol.

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Yes, Devon Archer said there were at east 20 phone calls and he also
said The Bidens were not talking business.

That last bit about the Biden's not talking business is lefty-spin from
Rep. Daniel Goldman, he is trying to save face.

Nope, Devon Archer said that himself.

This spin is factually false for many reasons.
1. What did "no experience" Hunter bring to the table to offer, he knew nothing of gas or oil, he said as much on Good Morning America.

What does it matter? Lots of people get jobs in a field where they have no previous experience.

Donald Trump for example was given the job of president without any previous experience at all. Look how that turned out.

It is clear as to his of his involvement, access to his father Joe Biden, VP.

His involvement in what?

2 The DOJ via Joe Biden tried to intimidate Devon Archer with a mailings of a threating letter [this was almost right out of the movie Goodfellas] from the DOJ on a Saturday - this is noteworthy because it almost never happens.

Devon was not threatened in any way. That was a letter like many in Devon's situation will receive. The DOJ did not and was not going to "arrest Devon before he could testify".

3 Do you know why Devon Archer testified in the first place, because he felt like was thrown under the bus and felt betrayed by the Bidens.
The three facts show that the spin from Goldman is categorically false. Sounds like a Crock of Schiff.

I don't know why Devon was there. I suspect he was asked to attend.

Those indictments are not phony.

The Washington case is very weak have you read the indictment?

Weak you say. ;)

This is the beggining, not the end.

This will fall apart when it hits at a high speed or any at any speed against the Freedom of Speech protections.

Donald Trump was not indicted based on his speech, he was indicted based on his actions. The indictment makes this clear.

The indictment is about Trump's spoken words not about at what happened at the Capitol.

You've got that the wrong way around. The indictment is about Donald Trump's actions, not his speech.

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On 02 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

You've got that the wrong way around. The indictment is about Donald Trump's actions, not his speech.

Funny.... can you quote what part of the indictment that talks about action??

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You've got that the wrong way around. The indictment is about Donald
Trump's actions, not his speech.

Funny....

What do you find funny?

can you quote what part of the indictment that talks about action??

The whole thing is about Donald Trumps actions.

There are only 4 charges, joe. Read the indictment over.

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On 02 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

You've got that the wrong way around. The indictment is about Donald
Trump's actions, not his speech.

Funny....

What do you find funny?

Nothing in the indictment had anything to do with his actions... They are trying to indict him on his thoughts... You might want to read or re-read the indictment... and when you do can you please tell me the part where it says Tramp did this or that...

The whole thing is about Donald Trumps actions.

There are only 4 charges, joe. Read the indictment over.

There is nothing that says Trump DID this or that... You don't listen to the news do you??

What they are saying is that Trump knew he lost the election and rather than accepting the loss he concocted a story about election fraud... and knowing that he lost he lied and went with the election fraud story.

Trump has always believed his election was stolen, he doesn't believe Joe Biden won and he's lying... BUT rather he believes it was stolen.

I saw Trumps lawyer talking on the news and Trump is actually pumped on this indictment.... He'll now have the ability to show in court the evidence he has about the election issues... and he can subpoena some of the players who rigged the election.

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Nothing in the indictment had anything to do with his actions... They are
trying to indict him on his thoughts... You might want to read or re-read the
indictment... and when you do can you please tell me the part where it says Tramp did this or that...

The indictment alleges that Trump conspired with co-conspirators to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud and deceit to impair, obstruct and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted and certified by the federal government.

That is what Donald Trump did. The indictment goes on...

The whole thing is about Donald Trumps actions.

There are only 4 charges, joe. Read the indictment over.

There is nothing that says Trump DID this or that... You don't listen to the news do you??

That is not news. That is from the indictment.

What they are saying is that Trump knew he lost the election and rather than accepting the loss he concocted a story about election fraud... and knowing that he lost he lied and went with the election fraud story.

That is part of it.

Trump has always believed his election was stolen, he doesn't believe Joe Bide
won and he's lying... BUT rather he believes it was stolen.

It's a free country Joe. You can believe anything at all. You can say anything at all.

I saw Trumps lawyer talking on the news and Trump is actually pumped on this
indictment.... He'll now have the ability to show in court the evidence he has >about the election issues... and he can subpoena some of the players who rigge
the election.

This indictment is about Donald Trumps actions.

After the election Donald Trump did go to court saying the election was stolen but he was not successful. The indictment also talks about that.

The election is not going to be re-litigated now, Donald Trumps actions will be.

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Hello Alan,

Why oh why, are we talking about Hunter Biden?

This "mushroom season" talk is yet more spin.

No... but it would explain some of your answers

You don't care much for the truth.

But why are we talking about Hunter Biden?

Would you rather talk about Trump?
That is what Trump likes to talk about.
So why shouldn't we all?

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But why are we talking about Hunter Biden?

Would you rather talk about Trump?

Sure, if you want to talk about Trump go ahead.

That is what Trump likes to talk about.
So why shouldn't we all?

There is nothing to talk about. Hunter is a private citizen. He is not president, has never been president, will never be president.

I don't think he has or will run for any office.

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On 02 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

After the election Donald Trump did go to court saying the election was stolen but he was not successful. The indictment also talks about that.

Hillary Clinton and her supporters threw a fit and created hell on Earth when she lost the election, but what Hillary did next was to install a fake narrative of Russia Russia Russia, which hung over the nation.
"Not my president" was the chant from her followers. Chaos and destruction, civil unrest. she at one point said that the 2016 presidential election was not conducted legitimately, from this; the media, chirped out as if on command to also say that it was not legitimate and that the Donald Trump was a illegitimate president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=LoMhBo8ATBM

Where was the DOJ to indite her w/ her actions, with the hell she has put
the country through.

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On 02 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

The indictment alleges that Trump conspired with co-conspirators to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud and deceit to
impair, obstruct and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted
and certified by the federal government.

That is what Donald Trump did. The indictment goes on...

That's what it alleges...and the allegations go on...

The allegations break down like this... The government says that Trump KNEW he lost the election... BUT chose to not believe it and chose to BELIEVE the election was stolen. The conspiracy side of the charges stem from the legal advice he received about the electoral certification process...

Let is be known that this is not the first time the US had had this issued... Recall 1960 when Kennedy was voted in.... Apparently it was a Hawaii sent in a double set of electors.... after some wrangling the STATE legislators chose to affirm the democrat electors...

In 1877 Ulysses S. Grant was elected, reconstruction ended and the Democrats began to impose Jim Crow las because of this.... But the state of Florida's legislators chose to swap out the Democrat electors and replace them with Republican electors thus breaking the tie and Grant, a Republican, was elected into office.

There was several instances back in 2016, when Trump beat Hillary, that high profile Democrats told states to not send their Republican electors.... Several instances in history, and as well as 2017 when Trump's presidency was being certified, where Democrats were objecting to the process.

During the 2020 election 5 states sent in a double set of electors... these states did so after being presented with voting irregularities...

As per the constitution the electors are sent in by the state legislators and if there is a discrepancy the state legislators were asked to clarify...

VP Judas Pence wasn't made to chose what ones were to be seated... Judas was asked to ask the state legislators what they wanted done...

Alan Dershowitz, a life long liberal democrat who has never voted republican, was talking about the legalities and the issues surrounding the current indictment...

https://youtu.be/VPUeIKk5SS0

That is not news. That is from the indictment.

I know it's not news... There are legal experts talking about this... I just think you lack the skill set... and the knowledge of the Constitution and as well rudimentary knowledge of US history to make opinions such as the ones you make.

It's a free country Joe. You can believe anything at all. You can say anything at all.

And so can Trump.... and now for the first time in post constitutional US history one party is trying to criminalize Thoughts and beliefs.

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No... but it would explain some of your answers

He doesn't have to be stoned to answer in that manner, it comes naturally
to him. ;)


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What does it matter? Lots of people get jobs in a field where they have no pre
ous experience.

Lot's of people do not get *high-level* jobs in fields where they have no previous experience. Only people with connections get to do that, which is where the problem lies.


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The DOJ has not attempted to stop, or even slow down Donald Trump. Others charged with similar crimes are held in custody while awaiting trial.
That is not the case with Donald Trump. He is free to go where he wants, travel where he wants and speak to who he wants (aside from co-defendants). He is free to campaign at will.

Who are the "others charged with similar crimes?"

How similar are their crimes?

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On 02 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

This indictment is about Donald Trumps actions.

After the election Donald Trump did go to court saying the election was stolen but he was not successful. The indictment also talks about that.

The election is not going to be re-litigated now, Donald Trumps actions will be.

Sorry.... It's never been in a court... Cowards... judges always declined to see the case because of one reason or an other... Though I was frustrated at the courts lack of enthusiasm.... I heard arguments that this is a political and not a legal issue...

I came across this video after I sent my last response...

https://rumble.com/v33zh3k-trump-will-now-have-subpoena-power-to-re-litigate-ev ery-case-from-the-2020-.html

This is the issue at hand... there needs to be more talk and less criminalization... If Biden is soooooooooooo confident his policies are the best... debate them.

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He doesn't have to be stoned to answer in that manner, it comes naturally to him. ;)

Thanx....

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Hello Alan,

But why are we talking about Hunter Biden?

Would you rather talk about Trump?

Sure, if you want to talk about Trump go ahead.

Several prosecutors want to talk about Trump. And more wanting
to join in the conversation. Not sure how many, with 75+ indictments
already and five scheduled trial dates, with more on the way, it may
be all we will be talking about between now and election day.

That is what Trump likes to talk about.
So why shouldn't we all?

There is nothing to talk about. Hunter is a private citizen.

So is Donald Trump.

He is not president, has never been president, will never be president.

You do not know that.

I don't think he has or will run for any office.

Why should he? He has open access to wherever he wants to go.
The West Wing, the Situation Room, the Rose Garden ...

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Hello Greg,

After the election Donald Trump did go to court saying the election was
stolen but he was not successful. The indictment also talks about that.

Hillary Clinton and her supporters threw a fit and created hell on Earth when she lost the election, but what Hillary did next was to install a fake
narrative of Russia Russia Russia, which hung over the nation.

Hillary Clinton acted honorably, and conceded to Trump. Not once
did she question the results, or challenge the results in court.

Even though she won the popular vote, having received over three
million votes more than her opponent, she did not try to undermine
the legitimacy of the election or the final results. Nor did she
seek to install "fake electors" in order to steal the electoral
college vote.

"Not my president" was the chant from her followers.

Donald Trump is nobody's president.

For Life,
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=LoMhBo8ATBM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H916EVndP_A

Where was the DOJ to indite her w/ her actions, with the hell she has put
the country through.

Hillary was investigated.

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The election is not going to be re-litigated now, Donald Trumps actions
will be.

Sorry.... It's never been in a court...

What!? ;)

Cowards... judges always declined to
see the case because of one reason or an other... Though I was frustrated at the courts lack of enthusiasm.... I heard arguments that this is a political and not a legal issue...

Judges have seen the case over and over again. Trump has no evidence.

I came across this video after I sent my last response...
https://rumble.com/v33zh3k-trump-will-now-have-subpoena-power-to-re-litigate-e
ery-case-from-the-2020-.html

You are not going to get any truth from fox news.

This is the issue at hand... there needs to be more talk and less criminalization... If Biden is soooooooooooo confident his policies are the best... debate them.

By all means. Have your debate.

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Hillary Clinton acted honorably, and conceded to Trump. Not once
did she question the results, or challenge the results in court.

Hilary honorable? She wrote a book entitled "What Happened?"
Doesn't seem very honorable to me.
Yes she did question the results, in many ways.

https://tinyurl.com/4m9ecmju

The reason why she lost is clear, she alienated half the country. Maybe instead of calling Trump Supporters "A Basket of Deplorables" and she went on to state that Trump Supporters were racist to among other things...
She did not talk enough about what she would of done for the country.
She was too busy bashing Trump.

How could we be racist after the election of the first black president.
Being Racist is Biden: "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black"

Democrats play the Race Card every 4 years.
All you know how to do is to slander Donald Trump with contempt & hatred.

There is no point in explaining why I have been and always will be a Big League supporter of Donald Trump. You being as dumb as a turnip, and all of that.

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Where was the DOJ to indite her w/ her actions, with the hell she has pu the country through.

Hillary was investigated.

This is was James Comey former Lead at the FBI said

Comey also said the FBI assessed that there was no direct evidence that Clinton's personal email domain was hacked. It is possible, however, that hostile actors gained access to her personal email account, he added.

He characterized the investigation findings as showing that Clinton and her team were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information but he said there was no clear evidence they intended to violate the law.

Still, Comey said the FBI's recommendation is that Clinton not face criminal charges for her actions.

Although there is evidence of potential violations regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would
bring such a case, he said.

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There is nothing to talk about. Hunter is a private citizen.

So is Donald Trump.

He is today yes, these charges Trump is facing happened while he was president.

He is not president, has never been president, will never be president.

You do not know that.

He could run if he wanted. All of these so called "investigations" into Hunter Biden target a private citizen.

I don't think he has or will run for any office.

Why should he? He has open access to wherever he wants to go.
The West Wing, the Situation Room, the Rose Garden ...

Hunter Biden is not in government in any way, never has been (so far).

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The DOJ has not attempted to stop, or even slow down Donald Trump. Others
charged with similar crimes are held in custody while awaiting trial.
That is not the case with Donald Trump. He is free to go where he wants,
travel where he wants and speak to who he wants (aside from
co-defendants). He is free to campaign at will.

Who are the "others charged with similar crimes?"

There have been many. Look it up.

How similar are their crimes?

The crimes involved classified documents. Small change compared to the Donald.

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The allegations break down like this... The government says that Trump KNEW he lost the election...

Of course he knew. His advisers told him. He spent millions investigating the election and those investigations revealed no evidence the election had been stolen and he was told this.

BUT chose to not believe it and chose to BELIEVE the election was stolen.
The conspiracy side of the charges stem from the legal advice he received about the electoral certification process...

He didn't like the outcome (a lot of people didn't like the outcome) but he knew he lost.

During the 2020 election 5 states sent in a double set of electors... these states did so after being presented with voting irregularities...

Yes, these fake electors are also under investigation and indictment now.

As per the constitution the electors are sent in by the state legislators and if there is a discrepancy the state legislators were asked to clarify...

The state(s) sends in electors as the people have voted, yes?

VP Judas Pence wasn't made to chose what ones were to be seated... Judas was asked to ask the state legislators what they wanted done...

Pence had no authority to do any of that and he didn't.

That is not news. That is from the indictment.

I know it's not news... There are legal experts talking about this... I just think you lack the skill set... and the knowledge of the Constitution and as well rudimentary knowledge of US history to make opinions such as the ones you make.

I have an opinion the same as you do.

It's a free country Joe. You can believe anything at all. You can say
anything at all.

And so can Trump.... and now for the first time in post constitutional US history one party is trying to criminalize Thoughts and beliefs.

The indictment does not criminalize Trump's thoughts or speech. It says as much.

Trump has been indicted based on his actions.

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Lot's of people do not get *high-level* jobs in fields where they have no previous experience. Only people with connections get to do that, which is where the problem lies.

If Barisma had a problem with Hunters experience thay may change their mind. There is no criminality with Hunter's position.

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The DOJ has not attempted to stop, or even slow down Donald Trump. Othe >> charged with similar crimes are held in custody while awaiting trial. >> That is not the case with Donald Trump. He is free to go where he wants >> travel where he wants and speak to who he wants (aside from
co-defendants). He is free to campaign at will.

Who are the "others charged with similar crimes?"

There have been many. Look it up.

How similar are their crimes?

The crimes involved classified documents. Small change compared to the Donald.

You're parroting, bigtime!

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The crimes involved classified documents. Small change compared to the
Donald.

You're parroting, bigtime!

I'm not parroting anything/anyone.

I'm just pointing out that others have been jailed because of these types of crimes. Many times.

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The election is not going to be re-litigated now, Donald Trumps actions >> will be.

Sorry.... It's never been in a court...

What!? ;)

Any of the attempts to get the election cases into court were thrown out based on standing.... NONE were ever tossed based on merit...

No evidence presented no jury made a decision... Never went to trial ever.

Here's a video ... if you go to minute 6:19 and his point point ends at ~7 minutes in. That 40 seconds explains the why some states send in 2 sets of electors and he also talks about how all the court cases were rejected based
on standing... I love the look at the CNN hosts who had no clue...

https://youtu.be/fI0Gmkv4oGQ

Judges have seen the case over and over again. Trump has no evidence.

Judges have never seen any case... All were rejected based on standing... When Trump goes to trial for this case it'll be the first time a jury will see the evidence.

You are not going to get any truth from fox news.

I'm not going to get any truth from you...

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Sorry.... It's never been in a court...

What!? ;)

Any of the attempts to get the election cases into court were thrown out based on standing.... NONE were ever tossed based on merit...

Trump did in fact go to court many times.

No evidence presented no jury made a decision... Never went to trial ever.

Trump went to court without evidence.

Here's a video ... if you go to minute 6:19 and his point point ends at ~7 minutes in. That 40 seconds explains the why some states send in 2 sets of electors and he also talks about how all the court cases were rejected based on standing... I love the look at the CNN hosts who had no clue...

https://youtu.be/fI0Gmkv4oGQ

Those were/are fake electors. They'll have their day in court too.

Judges have seen the case over and over again. Trump has no evidence.

Judges have never seen any case... All were rejected based on standing... When Trump goes to trial for this case it'll be the first time a jury will see the evidence.

These cases were in court. Trump had no evidence. His own people told him there was no evidence.

Rudy admitted at one point that he had no evidence.

You are not going to get any truth from fox news.

I'm not going to get any truth from you...

Do you have any evidence that the election was stolen?

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Hunter Biden is not in government in any way, never has been (so far).

Hunter was the bag man, and his Father was the closer.
The Brand does not exist without Joe Biden.

Comer Releases Devon Archer's Transcribed Interview Transcript
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Hello Alan,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=LoMhBo8ATBM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H916EVndP_A

Where was the DOJ to indite her w/ her actions, with the hell

she has put the country through.

Hillary was investigated.

"Lock her up!" was the chant of the crowd when Trump was nominated
in 2016. The only thing that has changed since then was an additional
chant of "Lock him up!" in reference to Hunter Biden. But at least
Hunter plead guilty to a few misdemeanors and will spend no time in
jail for his derelictions of duty.

So please.

Let's get something straight.

Hillary is still being investigated.

And the crowd is still chanting "Lock her up!"

Even though she has never been charged with a crime of any kind.

Nor has she plead to a misdemeanor or what might count as one.

Besides, she has an excuse.

She is married to a man named Bill.

The president who never told anybody to ever tell a lie.

Which explains why Hillary was the most admired person in the world.

Until Michelle Obama came along and took her place.

But that's okay.

Now we have Dr. Jill.

And we all know what the world thinks about Dr. Jill ...

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That is not news. That is from the indictment.

I just think
you lack the skill set... and the knowledge of the Constitution and as well r udimentary knowledge of US history to make opinions such as the ones you make.

You think correctly. :)


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The DOJ has not attempted to stop, or even slow down Donald Trump. Others >AI> charged with similar crimes are held in custody while awaiting trial.
That is not the case with Donald Trump. He is free to go where he wants, >AI> travel where he wants and speak to who he wants (aside from
co-defendants). He is free to campaign at will.

Who are the "others charged with similar crimes?"

How similar are their crimes?

I don't know who, if anyone, Al is thinking of. The case I have heard
others mention is the recent one involving the solider from the Pentagon.
He not only had documents he shouldn't, he tried peddling the information
over the Internet, which was what made his charges worse and landed him in jail. The cases are not actually similar.


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Where was the DOJ to indite her w/ her actions, with the hell she has put the country through.

Hillary was investigated.

For other things, not for any actions that resulted from the 2016 election.


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Who are the "others charged with similar crimes?"

There have been many. Look it up.

It is up to you to put up or shut up. You claim there are many others.
Please supply examples, including how the crimes are similar and
remembering that Trump is not currently charged with trying to sell any of the document contents.


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The crimes involved classified documents. Small change compared to the >> Donald.

You're parroting, bigtime!

I'm not parroting anything/anyone.

I'm just pointing out that others have been jailed because of these
types of crimes. Many times.

If it happened so many times then why don't you have any examples?

It's ok Al. I used to be a parrot also. Back around 2020 I thought Fox News was the coolest thing ever, and I blindly followed their narratives and I thought that everything they said was true, but then I realized that they were full of it and that I too was full of it because I was parroting their lies.

But the lesson I learned was: admitting to your mistakes is way to go. That philosophy might not sell cars, but it builds integrity.

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Hello Greg,

Hunter Biden is not in government in any way, never has been AI>(so far).

Hunter was the bag man, and his Father was the closer.
The Brand does not exist without Joe Biden.

Don Corleone would be proud.

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Trump did in fact go to court many times.

No Judge or Jury has seen the evidence of election fraud... PERIOD...

ALL cases were dismissed based on standing.... ALL!!!

I sent you a video, though it was fox news... I told you where to go in that video to see a CNN segment where the person who was asked to join the segment SCHOOLED the CNN hosts on 2 issues... 1, the electoral college and how it's certified and 2, the fact that all the election cases were never heard because of standing... He did this all in ~40 seconds and he left the hosts speechless...

Trump went to court without evidence.

Trump has evidence and it'll now be heard in a court of law...

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On 04 Aug 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

You think correctly. :)

I think today is the last day I respond to Mr. Man... He is willfully ignorant. It's okay to have an opinion, or opine, but MY GOD... completely ignore US history, the constitution and US law is an other.

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Hunter Biden is not in government in any way, never has been (so far).

Hunter was the bag man, and his Father was the closer.
The Brand does not exist without Joe Biden.

Comer Releases Devon Archer's Transcribed Interview Transcript
Source: https://oversight.house.gov
https://tinyurl.com/3s7stzsn

I'll have a look at the transcript and get back to you.

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How similar are their crimes?

I don't know who, if anyone, Al is thinking of. The case I have heard
others mention is the recent one involving the solider from the Pentagon.

That is the case I am thinking of. I forget the young mans's name.

He not only had documents he shouldn't, he tried peddling the information over the Internet, which was what made his charges worse and landed him in jail. The cases are not actually similar.

I thought he was simply showing off the document. Sound familiar?

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Where was the DOJ to indite her w/ her actions, with the hell she has put >> > the country through.

Hillary was investigated.

For other things, not for any actions that resulted from the 2016 election.

Yeah, OK!

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There have been many. Look it up.

It is up to you to put up or shut up. You claim there are many others. Please supply examples, including how the crimes are similar and
remembering that Trump is not currently charged with trying to sell any of the document contents.

Indeed there are many others who have been charged under the espionage act.

Do you really need me to look that up for you?

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I'm just pointing out that others have been jailed because of these
types of crimes. Many times.

If it happened so many times then why don't you have any examples?

If you need examples then look it up. It's not something new that hasn't been used before.

It's ok Al.

I know it's OK.

I used to be a parrot also. Back around 2020 I thought Fox News was the coolest thing ever, and I blindly followed their narratives and I thought that everything they said was true, but then I realized that they were full of it and that I too was full of it because I was parroting their lies.
But the lesson I learned was: admitting to your mistakes is way to go. That philosophy might not sell cars, but it builds integrity.

OK.

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No Judge or Jury has seen the evidence of election fraud... PERIOD...

ALL cases were dismissed based on standing.... ALL!!!

Not all. I think the Texas case (the Texas GOP, not Trump) was dismissed based on standing, and even Trumps cases could have been thrown out for lack of standing but many cases were dismissed because of a lack of evidence.

I sent you a video, though it was fox news... I told you where to go in that video to see a CNN segment where the person who was asked to join the segment SCHOOLED the CNN hosts on 2 issues... 1, the electoral college and how it's certified and 2, the fact that all the election cases were never heard because of standing... He did this all in ~40 seconds and he left the hosts speechless...

The video? How about some facts rather than stories?

Trump went to court without evidence.

Trump has evidence and it'll now be heard in a court of law...

I don't think so. Donald Trump is the one on trial, not the election.

Even if it was there is still no evidence the election was stolen.

Stories yes, evidence no.

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The crimes involved classified documents. Small change compared to the
Donald.

You're parroting, bigtime!

I'm not parroting anything/anyone.

I'm just pointing out that others have been jailed because of these
types of crimes. Many times.

Here are a few I found simply with google.

Robert Birchum, 2023

Birchum, who was an Air Force lieutenant colonel with a decorated 29-year military career, pleaded guilty in February to one count of violating the willful retention of national defense information provision after investigators discovered during the first month of the Trump presidency in 2017 that Birchum had stored more than 300 classified documents or files in his home, a storage pod on his property and his officer�s quarters overseas. Birchum was not charged with spying or giving the documents to anyone, and he cooperated with investigators and conveyed remorse � but a Trump-appointed judge sentenced him this month to 3 years in prison.

Kendra Kingsbury, 2022

Kingsbury, who was an analyst for the FBI, pleaded guilty in 2022 to two counts of violating the willful retention of national defense information provision after she was indicted by a federal grand jury in 2021 for possessing classified documents in her home. The Justice Department said Kingsbury took home approximately 386 classified documents from work over more than 12 years, including secret information related to counterterrorism intelligence sources and methods, open investigations, the FBI�s technical capabilities, intelligence gaps, and al Qaeda in Africa. Kingsbury, who was not charged with spying or giving documents to anyone, is scheduled to be sentenced next week.

Jeremy Brown, 2022

Brown, a retired Army Special Forces sergeant who later became involved with far-right group the Oath Keepers and ran for the Florida state House as a Republican, was convicted by a federal jury in 2022 for both possession of unregistered grenades and guns and for violating the willful retention of national defense information provision. When the FBI searched Brown�s home in 2021 upon arresting him over his alleged involvement in the pro-Trump riot at the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, they found the unlawful weapons and a classified �Trip Report� he had written in 2011 about the search in Afghanistan for missing soldier Bowe Bergdahl. Brown was sentenced in April to 7 years and 3 months in prison, though not solely over the classified document.

There is more and you are free to look at all/any of them.

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Hunter Biden is not in government in any way, never has been (so far).

Hunter was the bag man, and his Father was the closer.
The Brand does not exist without Joe Biden.
Comer Releases Devon Archer's Transcribed Interview Transcript
Source: https://oversight.house.gov
https://tinyurl.com/3s7stzsn

I don't see evidence of a crime.

What is the crime?

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Who are the "others charged with similar crimes?"

How similar are their crimes?

I don't know who, if anyone, Al is thinking of. The case I have heard

Al doesn't know either.

He not only had documents he shouldn't, he tried peddling the information over the Internet, which was what made his charges worse and landed him
in jail. The cases are not actually similar.

The View is probably telling him that "Trump peddled the docs to Russia."

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The crimes involved classified documents. Small change compared to t >> >> Donald.

You're parroting, bigtime!

I'm not parroting anything/anyone.

I'm just pointing out that others have been jailed because of these
types of crimes. Many times.

Here are a few I found simply with google.

The first 2 plead guilty, that's why they went to jail. The 3rd one was found guilty, and that's why he went to jail. Plus he was found with grenades. How many grenades did they catch Trump with?

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Here are a few I found simply with google.

The first 2 plead guilty, that's why they went to jail. The 3rd one was found guilty, and that's why he went to jail. Plus he was found with grenades. How many grenades did they catch Trump with?

I'm not talking convictions, I am simply saying that many others have been charged under the espionage act, grenades or not.

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The first 2 plead guilty, that's why they went to jail. The 3rd one was guilty, and that's why he went to jail. Plus he was found with grenades. many grenades did they catch Trump with?

I'm not talking convictions, I am simply saying that many others have
been charged under the espionage act, grenades or not.

You said "small change compared to Trump," but sounds like some large coins to me.

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Hello Mike,

Where was the DOJ to indite her w/ her actions, with the hell she has

put

the country through.

Hillary was investigated.

For other things, not for any actions that resulted from the 2016 election.

What has she been charged with?

Please remind me.

My memory seems to be very foggy.

But you right.

She was investigated.

And she still is.

Just like Hunter Biden.

Who will also continue to be investigated.

Et al ad nauseum.

Not that it matters.

Your orange clown has been indicted.
And will soon be wearing an orange jumpsuit,
and provided free public housing, along with
three square meals a day.

The first former president to have that honor.

For Life,
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Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

But the lesson I learned was: admitting to your mistakes is way to go. That philosophy might not sell cars, but it builds integrity.

But we'll never see that from the Ignorant Elitists like Al.


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On 04 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

No Judge or Jury has seen the evidence of election fraud... PERIOD...

ALL cases were dismissed based on standing.... ALL!!!

Not all. I think the Texas case (the Texas GOP, not Trump) was dismissed based on standing, and even Trumps cases could have been thrown out for lack of standing but many cases were dismissed because of a lack of evidence.

I sent you a video, though it was fox news... I told you where to go in t
video to see a CNN segment where the person who was asked to join the seg
SCHOOLED the CNN hosts on 2 issues... 1, the electoral college and how i
certified and 2, the fact that all the election cases were never heard because of standing... He did this all in ~40 seconds and he left the hos
speechless...

The video? How about some facts rather than stories?

Trump went to court without evidence.

Trump has evidence and it'll now be heard in a court of law...

I don't think so. Donald Trump is the one on trial, not the election.

Wither you like it or not Donald Trump will be permitted to provide evidence that disproves the allegations that are brought against him.

All 3 indictments have issues with weakness, and they show the true nature of
a persecution of a political opponent.

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I'm not talking convictions, I am simply saying that many others have
been charged under the espionage act, grenades or not.

You said "small change compared to Trump," but sounds like some large coins to me.

Yep, small change compared to Trump.

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Wither you like it or not Donald Trump will be permitted to provide evidence that disproves the allegations that are brought against him.

Of course anyone charged with a crime will put up his defense. I have no problem with that.

All 3 indictments have issues with weakness,

The truth is that all the idictments are rather strong, and the defenses I have seen are weak.

and they show the true nature of a persecution of a political opponent.

How so? Donald Trump is free to campaign, hold rallies, give speeches. His first amendment right to lie in his speech continues as always.

Where is this perecution tou speak of?

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Hello Alan,

There have been many. Look it up.

It is up to you to put up or shut up. You claim there are many others.
Please supply examples, including how the crimes are similar and
remembering that Trump is not currently charged with trying to sell any of
the document contents.

Indeed there are many others who have been charged under the espionage act.

Do you really need me to look that up for you?

That would help.
Remember.
This is Romper Room.
For MAGA idiots.
Those who graduate become MAGA nutjobs.
So please.
Do help them out.

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Alan,

Hunter Biden is not in government in any way, never has been (so far).

Hunter was the bag man, and his Father was the closer.
The Brand does not exist without Joe Biden.
Comer Releases Devon Archer's Transcribed Interview Transcript
Source: https://oversight.house.gov
https://tinyurl.com/3s7stzsn

I don't see evidence of a crime.

Doesn't matter. Lock him up! Just like Hillary!

What is the crime?

Doesn't matter. Lock him up! Just like Hillary!

For Life,
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Hello Greg,

[..]

I don't think so. Donald Trump is the one on trial, not the election.

Wither you like it or not Donald Trump will be permitted to provide evidence
that disproves the allegations that are brought against him.

It is up to the prosecution to present its case. Not the other way
around. IOW, Trump is granted the presumption of innocence, which is
the way our system of justice is set up (or supposed to work).

All 3 indictments have issues with weakness, and they show the true nature of a persecution of a political opponent.

Trump is facing 4 indictments, and could be sentenced to 5, 10,
or 20 years. Quite a stretch for man his age. The charges are real,
and he is facing serious time in prison. Jack Smith is not kidding,
and nobody else is, either.

It's time you face the music, Greg.

Trump's goose is cooked. He is going to prison.

And then the American people (and the world) will forget about him.

For Life,
Lee

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Trump is facing 4 indictments, and could be sentenced to 5, 10,
or 20 years. Quite a stretch for man his age. The charges are real,
and he is facing serious time in prison. Jack Smith is not kidding,
and nobody else is, either.

Jack Smith has lost more cases than he has won, he is a loser, like you.

It's time you face the music, Greg.

You going to be very disappointed, when things don't go you way.
Nothing new for you though, right?

Trump's goose is cooked. He is going to prison.

Not only is he NOT going to Jail, but Trump has lived for 77 years and all of this time he has not faced one indictment to the kind he is facing now.
Tell me again, how this is a not a political circus.

And then the American people (and the world) will forget about him.

or there could be another civil war, and I will playing for the Red team.
You really want a re-match? How about we just duke it out here with words. You're a lightweight & you don't present any challenge in the slightest of measure.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

You going to be very disappointed, when things don't go you way.
Nothing new for you though, right?

That's why Lee (and other Ignorant Elitists) are always mad. Reality will not conform to their Narrative.


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I think today is the last day I respond to Mr. Man... He is willfully ignorant.
It's okay to have an opinion, or opine, but MY GOD... completely ignore US hist
ory, the constitution and US law is an other.

If you ask him for examples, he will very rarely give any and will often
claim it is your responsibility to find the references that prove his point.

Makes me wonder how debate classes are taught in that area.

Teacher: "And what case/article do you base you position on?"

Student: "Because I said so! It is your job to figure out my references.
But here are a few that prove a point I was not originally making."

Teacher: "That is the strongest debate stance I have ever witnessed! A+!"


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I don't know who, if anyone, Al is thinking of. The case I have heard others mention is the recent one involving the solider from the Pentagon.

That is the case I am thinking of. I forget the young mans's name.

He not only had documents he shouldn't, he tried peddling the information over the Internet, which was what made his charges worse and landed him in jail. The cases are not actually similar.

I thought he was simply showing off the document. Sound familiar?

Show me where Trump was trying to sell the documents over the Internet for money. Otherwise, no, it does not sound at all familiar.


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There have been many. Look it up.

It is up to you to put up or shut up. You claim there are many others. Please supply examples, including how the crimes are similar and remembering that Trump is not currently charged with trying to sell any of the document contents.

Indeed there are many others who have been charged under the espionage act.

Do you really need me to look that up for you?

The Espionage Act is very broad. A person can be charged or accused of violating it for a wide range of offenses, some *much* more serious (and completely different) than others.

What you need to show us are the exact cases where someone got charged, and
was kept in prison awaiting trial, for violating it in the manner that Trump
is accused of. THAT was your claim.

So far, all you have given us is "I don't remember his name."

I am not going to do research to prove *your* point. That is up to you to
do. If there are so many examples of persons who have recently done
exactly what Trump is accused of, and had to stay in prison awaiting trial,
you should have no problem producing at least one example.


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Robert Birchum, 2023

Birchum, who was an Air Force lieutenant colonel with a decorated 29-year mili
ry career, pleaded guilty in February to one count of violating the willful re
ntion of national defense information provision after investigators discovered
uring the first month of the Trump presidency in 2017 that Birchum had stored re than 300 classified documents or files in his home, a storage pod on his pr
erty and his officer.s quarters overseas. Birchum was not charged with spying
giving the documents to anyone, and he cooperated with investigators and conv
ed remorse . but a Trump-appointed judge sentenced him this month to 3 years i
prison.

Your claim was that people were kept in prison awaiting trial while Trump
is free to campaign. Trump has not been sentenced yet. You have not
proven here that someone was kept in prison for doing the same thing as
Trump *while awaiting trial*.

You HAVE proven that someone else did EXACTLY what Joe Biden did (storing documents in his home AND cooperating) and was charged, found guilty, and
put in prison for it.

So the next time you try to tell us that Biden didn't do anything wrong, I
now have a reference to show what another did and what happened to them. Thanks!!!

Kendra Kingsbury, 2022

Kingsbury, who was an analyst for the FBI, pleaded guilty in 2022 to two count
of violating the willful retention of national defense information provision a
er she was indicted by a federal grand jury in 2021 for possessing classified cuments in her home. The Justice Department said Kingsbury took home approxima
ly 386 classified documents from work over more than 12 years, including secre
information related to counterterrorism intelligence sources and methods, open
nvestigations, the FBI.s technical capabilities, intelligence gaps, and al Qae
in Africa. Kingsbury, who was not charged with spying or giving documents to yone, is scheduled to be sentenced next week.

Your claim was that people were kept in prison awaiting trial while Trump
is free to campaign. Trump has not been sentenced yet. You have not
proven here that someone was kept in prison for doing the same thing while awaiting trial.

Also sounds similar to what Joe Biden did, except this lady got charged and plead guilty.

Jeremy Brown, 2022

Brown, a retired Army Special Forces sergeant who later became involved with f
-right group the Oath Keepers and ran for the Florida state House as a Republi
n, was convicted by a federal jury in 2022 for both possession of unregistered
renades and guns and for violating the willful retention of national defense i
ormation provision. When the FBI searched Brown.s home in 2021 upon arresting m over his alleged involvement in the pro-Trump riot at the US Capitol on Janu
y 6, 2021, they found the unlawful weapons and a classified .Trip Report. he h
written in 2011 about the search in Afghanistan for missing soldier Bowe Berg
hl. Brown was sentenced in April to 7 years and 3 months in prison, though not
olely over the classified document.

Your claim was that people were kept in prison awaiting trial for retention
of documents while Trump is free to campaign. Trump was not in possession of any unregistered weapons. People who are in trouble on weapons charges are considred to pose a different risk and are often kept in jail awaiting trial (although you didn't prove that Brown was).

That part sounds more familiar to what Hunter Biden did. He is not being
kept in jail for his weapons charge while the courts decide whether or not
to accept his plea deal.

Please provide examples of persons who were kept in jail, awaiting trial,
for the willful retention of documents, which is what Trump is accused of
and which is what you claimed has happened to others.


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The crimes involved classified documents. Small change compared to >> >> Donald.

You're parroting, bigtime!

I'm not parroting anything/anyone.

I'm just pointing out that others have been jailed because of these >> types of crimes. Many times.

Here are a few I found simply with google.

The first 2 plead guilty, that's why they went to jail. The 3rd one was found ilty, and that's why he went to jail. Plus he was found with grenades. How man
grenades did they catch Trump with?

Remember that Al's original claim was that several people have done the
same thing that Trump is accused of AND were kept in jail awaiting trial
while Trump is out campaigning as a free man.

None of his examples showed this to be true. If anything, Al provided two examples of people who did what Joe Biden did, got charged, found guilty,
and put in jail. He also provided one example of someone who had weapons charges, like Hunter but who, unlike Hunter, may have been kept in jail awaiting trial on said charges.

He is trying to change the argument without admitting he was initially
wrong. No one is going to claim that people have not been found guilty of violating the Espionage Act because we are all too smart to think that
would be true. An unrelated case of such was discussed here just last week.


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The first 2 plead guilty, that's why they went to jail. The 3rd one was foun
guilty, and that's why he went to jail. Plus he was found with grenades. How
many grenades did they catch Trump with?

I'm not talking convictions, I am simply saying that many others have been cha
ed under the espionage act, grenades or not.

Which was NOT your original point.

Please provide evidence of persons who retained documents, but who didn't
try to sell them or post them on the Internet, who were kept in jail
awaiting trial. That was your original point.


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grenades did they catch Trump with?

Remember that Al's original claim was that several people have done the same thing that Trump is accused of AND were kept in jail awaiting trial while Trump is out campaigning as a free man.

He's either on a mission to be correct about something political or he's on a mission to defend all things leftist, but he can't have it both ways.

It makes me wonder if there's money in it? Can I get rich by defending all things leftist?

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Hello Greg,

Trump is facing 4 indictments, and could be sentenced to 5, 10,
or 20 years. Quite a stretch for man his age. The charges are real,
and he is facing serious time in prison. Jack Smith is not kidding,
and nobody else is, either.

Jack Smith has lost more cases than he has won, he is a loser, like you.

Special Counsel Jack Smith has a reputation for winning tough cases
against war criminals, mobsters and crooked cops. He is a Harvard Law
School graduate who is not affiliated with any political party, who
started as a prosecutor in 1994 at the Manhattan DA's office - his
main gig prosecuting mob bosses.

He also spent time to supervise war crime prosecutions at the
International Criminal Court in The Hague.

It is very easy to eee why AG Merrick Garland appointed him Special
Counsel. And also why President Joe Biden is so pleased.

It's time you face the music, Greg.

You going to be very disappointed, when things don't go you way.
Nothing new for you though, right?

When Donald Trump walked into the court room the other day he was
mad. When he sat down and had to wait for over twenty minutes before
anybody said anything to him it got worse, as he got madder. So mad
that one could see steam coming out of both his ears. Fortunately
for all inside the courtroom he did not explode and no cleanup crew
was required.

Trump's goose is cooked. He is going to prison.

Not only is he NOT going to Jail, but Trump has lived for 77 years and all of this time he has not faced one indictment to the kind he is facing now.

Jail is only a holding place for those waiting to be convicted
and sentenced. Trump was booked and fingerprinted, but no mug shot
taken due to himself being one of the most photographed people in
the world (as well as most easily recognized). But once the jury
renders its verdict of guilty, he will be led out of the court
and given a new set of orange clothes to wear, and taken directly
to prison.

Tell me again, how this is a not a political circus.

The news media will cover the story when the prison gates close
with Donald Trump inside.

And then the American people (and the world) will forget about LL>him.

or there could be another civil war, and I will playing for the Red team.

This is not a game, or sporting event. Although some misguided souls
might think it is. The participants on January 6 most certainly did.
And many innocent people were harmed, some even killed, as a result.
Hundreds of people have been arrested, charged, and convicted. This
was not an act of politics, but an act of a domestic terrorist cult.

And we all know who the leader of that domestic terrorist cult is.

You really want a re-match?

Donald J. Trump will be in prison. Kind of hard to lead a domestic
terrorist cult from prison. Or write a book. Like Hitler.

How about we just duke it out here with words.

Donald Trump has his Truth Social.
Not sure if he will have access while in prison.

You're a lightweight & you don't present any challenge in the slightest of measure.

Surviving twenty years in the slammer will be quite a challenge
for a fat man who loves junk food and diet coke.

For Life,
Lee

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I thought he was simply showing off the document. Sound familiar?

Show me where Trump was trying to sell the documents over the Internet for money. Otherwise, no, it does not sound at all familiar.

It's familiar to me. He was showing off the documents to folks without access to the documents. That's what Trump did (among other things).

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Indeed there are many others who have been charged under the espionage act.

Do you really need me to look that up for you?

The Espionage Act is very broad.

It was said that the espionage act hadn't been used before. It was some kind of trap laid for Mr. Trump. The simple point I am making is that that is not so.

A person can be charged or accused of violating it for a wide range of offenses, some *much* more serious (and completely different) than others.

Yes, that is true.

What you need to show us are the exact cases where someone got charged, and was kept in prison awaiting trial, for violating it in the manner that Trump is accused of. THAT was your claim.

I gave several examples yesterday.

So far, all you have given us is "I don't remember his name."

I don't, and I don't care! If you find it interesting then look it up.

I am not going to do research to prove *your* point.

No one expects you to prove my point. You haven't even proved your points.

That is up to you to do. If there are so many examples of persons who have recently done exactly what Trump is accused of, and had to stay in prison awaiting trial, you should have no problem producing at least one example.

The examples provided prove the point I was making.

If you want to "prove" something else then away you go.

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Your claim was that people were kept in prison awaiting trial for retention of documents while Trump is free to campaign.

Yes, I posted a link to that story a few months ago.

Trump was not in possession of any unregistered weapons.

Nobody made that claim.

People who are in trouble on weapons charges are considred to pose a different risk and are often kept in jail awaiting trial (although you
didn't prove that Brown was).

Is that the guys name? There was no talk of weapons in the story I posted. Only that he shared classified documents.

That part sounds more familiar to what Hunter Biden did.

Yes, Hunter Biden!

He is not being kept in jail for his weapons charge while the courts decide whether or not to accept his plea deal.

Of course not. Hunter Biden is not a threat to anyone.

Please provide examples of persons who were kept in jail, awaiting trial,
for the willful retention of documents, which is what Trump is accused of
and which is what you claimed has happened to others.

I provided three names yesterday.

Tell you what I am going to do. When I get some time I'll look it up and see if I can find the story agian, and share it agian, just for you.

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Which was NOT your original point.

Please provide evidence of persons who retained documents, but who didn't
try to sell them or post them on the Internet, who were kept in jail
awaiting trial. That was your original point.

My original point was that several others have been charged under the espionage act. I have told you this. Over and over again.

I will look it up later today and see if I can find that story.

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Remember that Al's original claim was that several people have done the
same thing that Trump is accused of AND were kept in jail awaiting trial
while Trump is out campaigning as a free man.

He's either on a mission to be correct about something political or he's on a mission to defend all things leftist, but he can't have it both ways.

Mike is lying to you. My point was that many have been charged under the espionage act.

It makes me wonder if there's money in it? Can I get rich by defending all things leftist?

No money, but truth is golden.

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Indeed there are many others who have been charged under the espionage act. >> Do you really need me to look that up for you?

The Espionage Act is very broad. A person can be charged or accused of violating it for a wide range of offenses, some *much* more serious (and completely different) than others.
What you need to show us are the exact cases where someone got charged, and was kept in prison awaiting trial, for violating it in the manner that Trump is accused of. THAT was your claim.

Here is an update on the Jack Teixeira case.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jack-teixeira-guardsman-accused-of-leaking-to p-secret-information-due-in-court-in-boston/ar-AA1egTsz

Here's a tiny url in case the above breaks for you.

https://tinyurl.com/2vvnnenv

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He's either on a mission to be correct about something political or he's mission to defend all things leftist, but he can't have it both ways.

Mike is lying to you. My point was that many have been charged under the espionage act.

You said something like "others have been held in jail for similar charges" which is sorta true, but they were suspects who had plead guilty and 1 was found guilty.

Don't let this dose of reallity blind you: There are people behind bars for illegal gun possession, but not Hunter. (Special treatment is for Democrats and their family members.)

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He's either on a mission to be correct about something political or he's >> > mission to defend all things leftist, but he can't have it both ways.

Mike is lying to you. My point was that many have been charged under the
espionage act.

You said something like "others have been held in jail for similar charges" which is sorta true, but they were suspects who had plead guilty and 1 was found guilty.

It was simply true.

Don't let this dose of reallity blind you: There are people behind bars for illegal gun possession, but not Hunter. (Special treatment is for Democrats and their family members.)

Hunter never used the gun in a crime. He didn't threaten anyone with a gun.

What shall we convict hunter of today?

Guns are not uncommon in the USA.

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Hunter never used the gun in a crime. He didn't threaten anyone with a gun.

Hunter Biden was charged with possession of a firearm while an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance, which carries a potential prison term of up to 10 years.

What shall we convict hunter of today?

There should be no more sweetheart deals for Hunter specially surrounding or offering immunity for crimes that are discovered in the future.
What a bonehead. The media tells us this was a Trump Judge, this should be the commonsense of ANY Judge. No one should provide a get out of Jail Free card.

Guns are not uncommon in the USA.

You should know what is also uncommon?
Lying on the application to acquire a firearm, because he thought he is better then anyone else or that the laws are for other people.

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Teacher: "That is the strongest debate stance I have ever witnessed!
A+!"

Oh how far the schools have fallen.

If I had done that in my high school debate class, my teacher would have failed me.


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illegal gun possession, but not Hunter. (Special treatment is for AI> AI> > > Democr
and their family members.)

Hunter never used the gun in a crime. He didn't threaten anyone with a gun.

What shall we convict hunter of today?

Guns are not uncommon in the USA.

There are lots of local news stories of people going to jail for illegal gun possession. Felons can't have them, if the guns are unregistered then nobody can have them, if they are a banned model, nobody can have them. Illegal gun possession is a real thing. It don't matter if they used it to threaten somebody or not. All that matters, is whether or not they have elite status.

Do you have elite status? Or do you aspire to gain that status someday?

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Indeed there are many others who have been charged under the espionage act. >> Do you really need me to look that up for you?

The Espionage Act is very broad. A person can be charged or accused of violating it for a wide range of offenses, some *much* more serious (and completely different) than others.
What you need to show us are the exact cases where someone got charged, and was kept in prison awaiting trial, for violating it in the manner that Trump is accused of. THAT was your claim.

Here is an update on the Jack Teixeira case.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jack-teixeira-guardsman-accused-of-leaking -to p-secret-information-due-in-court-in-boston/ar-AA1egTsz

Here's a tiny url in case the above breaks for you.

https://tinyurl.com/2vvnnenv

From the article:

"A federal judge held a brief hearing Monday in the case of Jack D. Teixeira, the Massachusetts Air National Guardsman accused of leaking top secret information on the Internet."

So, he leaked the information on the Internet. This was the case I brought up that is not similar, unless you have proof that Trump also leaked the documents on the Internet.

Second point, also from the article:

"TeixeirarCOs lawyers have urged Talwani to overturn a ruling by a magistrate judge, who ordered Teixeira jailed without bail while awaiting trial after concluding he would pose a danger to the community and may flee if released."

So the judge concluded that this person might pose a threat to the community and may flee if released. Trump, by your own admission is campaigning to be President and, since he cannot be President if he flees the country, is not a flight risk. You have also shown no proof that he himself is any more of a threat to the community whether free or behind bars.

So, again, surprise you have not proven anything.
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Remember that Al's original claim was that several people have done the same thing that Trump is accused of AND were kept in jail awaiting trial while Trump is out campaigning as a free man.

He's either on a mission to be correct about something political or he's on a ssion to defend all things leftist, but he can't have it both ways.

I am pretty certain it is a last word thing. He keeps going on and on,
moving the goal posts and claiming that was what he meant all along, or
going on with some other drivel with no references to back it up, until we finally give up. Somehow having that last word makes him correct when, in reality, that is very, very rarely the case.

One thing he has proven beyond doubt is that, if he does provide proof of
his stance, he has not read the articles.


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I thought he was simply showing off the document. Sound familiar?

Show me where Trump was trying to sell the documents over the Internet for money. Otherwise, no, it does not sound at all familiar.

It's familiar to me. He was showing off the documents to folks without access
the documents. That's what Trump did (among other things).

Show me where Trump was trying to sell the documents over the Internet for money, or where he leaked them to the Internet at all. Otherwise, no, they
are quite different.


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Indeed there are many others who have been charged under the espionage act.

Do you really need me to look that up for you?

The Espionage Act is very broad.

It was said that the espionage act hadn't been used before. It was some kind o
trap laid for Mr. Trump. The simple point I am making is that that is not so.

Someone here may have said that, but that was not the point you and I were
on about. You said specifically that other persons had done "similar"
things to what Trump did and were kept in jail awaiting trial while Trump
is "still a free man, free to campaign" for office.

That is what I challenged you on. So far, you have not proven that point
at all.

Trump wasn't trying to sell documents, and Trump was not also in posession
of any unregistered or non-civilian weapons, so using cases where either is true is not a "similar" comparision.

What you need to show us are the exact cases where someone got charged, and was kept in prison awaiting trial, for violating it in the manner that Trump
is accused of. THAT was your claim.

I gave several examples yesterday.

No you did not. You did not prove that any of them were kept in prison awaiting trial. You only proved they went to jail after being found, or pleading, guilty. You also produced at least one case that was very much dissimilar (the person was in bigger trouble for weapons possession), and
one case where the person did exactly what Joe Biden did with his documents.

So far, all you have given us is "I don't remember his name."

I don't, and I don't care! If you find it interesting then look it up.

You are the one that claims they exist. Produce proof or shut up.

I am not going to do research to prove *your* point.

No one expects you to prove my point. You haven't even proved your points.

It was your claim, that someone did what Trump did and had to wait in
prison for their trial. Produce proof or shut up.

That is up to you to do. If there are so many examples of persons who have recently done exactly what Trump is accused of, and had to stay in prison awaiting trial, you should have no problem producing at least one example.

The examples provided prove the point I was making.

They most certainly did not. You did not prove that a single one of them,
that didn't have several weapons charges, remained in jail awaiting trial.

If you want to "prove" something else then away you go.

I want you to prove your original point or quit claiming it. But you
cannot, which is no surprise.


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Trump was not in possession of any unregistered weapons.

Nobody made that claim.

But you did claim that a case was similar where someone did, which makes it dissimilar. See below.

People who are in trouble on weapons charges are considred to pose a different risk and are often kept in jail awaiting trial (although you didn't prove that Brown was).

Is that the guys name? There was no talk of weapons in the story I posted. Onl
that he shared classified documents.

What do you mean is that the guys name? You posted the damn article.

And yes there was talk of weapons in the story. I quoted it back to you, and you chose to remove it. Here is that part of your post again:

Jeremy Brown, 2022

Brown, a retired Army Special Forces sergeant who later became involved with far-right group the Oath Keepers and ran for the Florida state House as a Republican, was convicted by a federal jury in 2022 for both possession of unregistered grenades and guns

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"Possession of unregistered grenades and guns." Did you not even read what
you posted?

That part sounds more familiar to what Hunter Biden did.
He is not being kept in jail for his weapons charge while the courts decide whether or not to accept his plea deal.

Of course not. Hunter Biden is not a threat to anyone.

But you claimed the guy above, who had unregistered weapons, was kept in
jail. That case is more similar to Hunter's than Trump's.

Please provide examples of persons who were kept in jail, awaiting trial, for the willful retention of documents, which is what Trump is accused of and which is what you claimed has happened to others.

I provided three names yesterday.

ZERO of those articles said they WERE KEPT IN JAIL, AWAITING TRIAL. ZERO.
THEY ALL WENT TO JAIL AFTER BEING FOUND, OR PLEADING, GUILTY. The THIRD one was in posession of several unregistered weapons, which means it was NOT SIMILAR TO TRUMP.

Tell you what I am going to do. When I get some time I'll look it up and see i
I can find the story agian, and share it agian, just for you.

You do that. If you cannot prove your claim that people who were charged
of similar crimes were kept in jail awaiting trial, you have no point to
make.


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Which was NOT your original point.

Please provide evidence of persons who retained documents, but who didn't try to sell them or post them on the Internet, who were kept in jail awaiting trial. That was your original point.

My original point was that several others have been charged under the espionag
act. I have told you this. Over and over again.

NO IT WAS NOT. You made several references to Trump being free while
others, who did similar things, were kept in jail.

We would not be having this disussion if that was your only claim because I KNOW that people have been charged, and found guilty, under said act for a
very broad set of reasons.


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Teacher: "That is the strongest debate stance I have ever witnessed! A+!"

Oh how far the schools have fallen.

If I had done that in my high school debate class, my teacher would have failed
me.

Apparently, doing that way in British Columbia (or getting in the last
word) is called "winning." When I was in school, it was also correctly called failing.


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He's either on a mission to be correct about something political or he's on mission to defend all things leftist, but he can't have it both ways.

Mike is lying to you. My point was that many have been charged under the espio
ge act.

Nope. It was that people were charged and kept in jail for doing similar things to what Trump did. However, your "similar things" has become quite broad as you've changed your argument to include persons with weapons
charges, persons who have sold or shared stolen info on the Internet, and persons who may have violated some completely different aspect of the
Espionage Act.

I am not the liar here.


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Mike is lying to you. My point was that many have been charged under the espionage act.

You said something like "others have been held in jail for similar charges" wh
h is sorta true, but they were suspects who had plead guilty and 1 was found g
lty.

Correct. Part of his argument was that Trump should not be a free man or
free to campaign while only charged but not yet found guilty.

The only proof of someone whose been kept in jail awaiting trial was
someone who shared the info on the Internet (which Trump didn't do) and who
is considered a flight risk (which Trump has not been considered). Those dissimilarities rule that out as proof of his point.


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Hunter never used the gun in a crime. He didn't threaten anyone with a
gun.

Hunter Biden was charged with possession of a firearm while an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance, which carries a potential prison term of up to 10 years.

Sure, and Hunter is in court currently. The outcome will be known soon enough.

What shall we convict hunter of today?

There should be no more sweetheart deals for Hunter specially surrounding or offering immunity for crimes that are discovered in the future.
What a bonehead. The media tells us this was a Trump Judge, this should be the commonsense of ANY Judge. No one should provide a get out of Jail Free card.

Hunter never got a "sweetheart" deal or a get out of jail free card.

Guns are not uncommon in the USA.

You should know what is also uncommon?
Lying on the application to acquire a firearm, because he thought he is better then anyone else or that the laws are for other people.

True, liars and lies continue. There is nothing new about that.

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There are lots of local news stories of people going to jail for illegal gun possession. Felons can't have them, if the guns are unregistered then nobody can have them, if they are a banned model, nobody can have them. Illegal gun possession is a real thing. It don't matter if they used it to threaten somebody or not. All that matters, is whether or not they have elite status.

Indeed the number of guns, legal and illegal in the USA is astounding.

Do you have elite status? Or do you aspire to gain that status someday?

I am hardly elite. I've been a working stiff my whole life living paycheck to paycheck.

I suppose I could have made different decisions and perhaps done "better" but I think I could have done worse also.

I would sum up my status as "OK".

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So the judge concluded that this person might pose a threat to the community and may flee if released. Trump, by your own admission is campaigning to be President and, since he cannot be President if he flees the country, is not a flight risk. You have also shown no proof that he himself is any more of a threat to the community whether free or behind bars.

So, again, surprise you have not proven anything.

I am not trying to "prove" anything.

It is common for folks charged under the espionage act to be jailed awaiting their court date.

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Show me where Trump was trying to sell the documents over the Internet for money, or where he leaked them to the Internet at all. Otherwise, no, they are quite different.

They are similar in both cases that they were "showing off" the documents.

I never made any claim that anyone was selling anything.

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Someone here may have said that, but that was not the point you and I were
on about. You said specifically that other persons had done "similar"
things to what Trump did and were kept in jail awaiting trial while Trump
is "still a free man, free to campaign" for office.

Yes, that is the case.

That is what I challenged you on. So far, you have not proven that point
at all.

Charges under the espionage act are very serious in nature. That is why (that is a guess an my part) defendants are held in jail pretrial in many cases.

Trump wasn't trying to sell documents, and Trump was not also in posession
of any unregistered or non-civilian weapons, so using cases where either is true is not a "similar" comparision.

Nobody made that claim. I didn't. The indictment doesn't and I haven't seen anyone else make that claim.

I didn't make the claim that Donald Trump was selling anything or that Donald Trump had any weapons.

Why do you bring that up?

What you need to show us are the exact cases where someone got charged, and >>> was kept in prison awaiting trial, for violating it in the manner that
Trump is accused of. THAT was your claim.

I gave several examples yesterday.

No you did not.

I have given several examples. There are more if you are interested. Go look.

You are the one that claims they exist. Produce proof or shut up.

I have done so.

I am not going to do research to prove *your* point.

No one expects you to prove my point. You haven't even proved your points.

It was your claim, that someone did what Trump did and had to wait in
prison for their trial. Produce proof or shut up.

And that is so.

That is up to you to do. If there are so many examples of persons who have >> > recently done exactly what Trump is accused of, and had to stay in prison >> > awaiting trial, you should have no problem producing at least one example.

Sorry, no. Trump is in a league of his own.

The examples provided prove the point I was making.

They most certainly did not. You did not prove that a single one of them, that didn't have several weapons charges, remained in jail awaiting trial.

We are not talking about weapons.

If you want to "prove" something else then away you go.

I want you to prove your original point or quit claiming it. But you
cannot, which is no surprise.

I have proved my point. You want to prove something else, away you go.

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Of course not. Hunter Biden is not a threat to anyone.

But you claimed the guy above, who had unregistered weapons, was kept in jail. That case is more similar to Hunter's than Trump's.

There is little, close to ZERO similarity to Hunter Biden!

You do that. If you cannot prove your claim that people who were charged
of similar crimes were kept in jail awaiting trial, you have no point to make.

I made my point clearly.

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NO IT WAS NOT. You made several references to Trump being free while
others, who did similar things, were kept in jail.

Yes, I am surprised that Trump was not jailed pretrial.

We would not be having this disussion if that was your only claim because I KNOW that people have been charged, and found guilty, under said act for a very broad set of reasons.

Yes, Donald Trump is not the only one to be charged under the espionage act.

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Mike is lying to you. My point was that many have been charged under the
espionage act.

Nope. It was that people were charged and kept in jail for doing similar things to what Trump did.

That is just the way it is.

However, your "similar things" has become quite broad as you've changed your argument to include persons with weapons charges, persons who have sold or shared stolen info on the Internet, and persons who may have violated some completely different aspect of the Espionage Act.

There isn't another crime, (stealing classified documents and refusing to return them when asked) that is similar to what Donald Trump has done.

I have to agree, Donald trump is in a league of his own.

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The only proof of someone whose been kept in jail awaiting trial was
someone who shared the info on the Internet (which Trump didn't do) and who is considered a flight risk (which Trump has not been considered). Those dissimilarities rule that out as proof of his point.

I dunno about that. Trump did say when he was running in 2020 that he "might have to leave the country" if he lost the election.

Maybe he was just talking out of his ass, I dunno.

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On 07 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

Hunter never used the gun in a crime. He didn't threaten anyone with a >> gun.

Hunter Biden was charged with possession of a firearm while an unlawful u
of or addicted to any controlled substance, which carries a potential pri
term of up to 10 years.

Sure, and Hunter is in court currently. The outcome will be known soon enough.

What shall we convict hunter of today?

There should be no more sweetheart deals for Hunter specially surrounding
offering immunity for crimes that are discovered in the future.
What a bonehead. The media tells us this was a Trump Judge, this should b
the commonsense of ANY Judge. No one should provide a get out of Jail Fre
card.

Hunter never got a "sweetheart" deal or a get out of jail free card.

Now you should really know better then to question me.
Specially when you know that I will provide FACTS to the contrary.
Here ya go the following proves that you were 100% incorrect with your statement.

Source: https://www.newsweek.com (it's pretty bad if it's Newsweek.
Title: Hunter Biden's 'Sweetheart' Plea Deal Falls Apart During Hearing Website: https://tinyurl.com/2bka2ewj

Hunter Biden's plea agreement fell apart halfway into a court hearing on Wednesday, a shocking twist that cost the president's son the "sweetheart deal" he had secured with federal prosecutors only for a revised, more limited deal to be agreed on later but put on hold.

Under the initial plea deal, Biden was expected to plead guilty to two misdemeanors for failing to pay his federal taxes on time in 2017 and 2018, while avoiding being prosecuted for a felony gun charge illegally possessing a firearm as a drug user.

But both sides said the bargain was off the table after U.S. District Judge Maryellen Noreika, who is presiding over the case in Wilmington, Delaware, questioned if the deal offered the president's son blanket immunity from prosecution in his plea dealings or only for his tax offenses. After the top prosecutor said it would not offer sweeping immunity, Biden's attorney
declared the agreement "null and void."

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Hunter never got a "sweetheart" deal or a get out of jail free card.

Now you should really know better then to question me.
Specially when you know that I will provide FACTS to the contrary.

That would be refreshing. It hasn't happened before and I don't expect it to happen today, or ever.

Here ya go the following proves that you were 100% incorrect with your statement.

Source: https://www.newsweek.com (it's pretty bad if it's Newsweek.
Title: Hunter Biden's 'Sweetheart' Plea Deal Falls Apart During Hearing Website: https://tinyurl.com/2bka2ewj

It's true that Hunter's plea deal fell apart. Nevertheless, it was not a "sweetheart" deal.

But both sides said the bargain was off the table after U.S. District Judge Maryellen Noreika, who is presiding over the case in Wilmington, Delaware, questioned if the deal offered the president's son blanket immunity from prosecution in his plea dealings or only for his tax offenses. After the top prosecutor said it would not offer sweeping immunity, Biden's attorney declared the agreement "null and void."

I am aware of all that.

Just how this will proceed I don't know, and I don't care.

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h is sorta true, but they were suspects who had plead guilty and 1 was MP> > f
g
lty.

Correct. Part of his argument was that Trump should not be a free man or free to campaign while only charged but not yet found guilty.

Maybe that's how they do stuff in Canada? (Nope! It's not!)

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possession is a real thing. It don't matter if they used it to threaten somebody or not. All that matters, is whether or not they have elite AI> > sta

Indeed the number of guns, legal and illegal in the USA is astounding.

It's a problem. Innocent people are getting killed by bullets too often. But we'll just ignore that issue if that's what it takes to protect good ol' Hunter.

Do you have elite status? Or do you aspire to gain that status someday?

I am hardly elite. I've been a working stiff my whole life living
paycheck to paycheck.

Members of the Canadian Liberal Party aren't as oppressive as America's Democrat Party is. They build security fences around their vacation homes and workplaces while forcing us to contend with an influx of millions of illegal immigrants. It's not fair, and they don't deserve all the praise you give them.

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I dunno about that. Trump did say when he was running in 2020 that he "might have to leave the country" if he lost the election.

Maybe he was just talking out of his ass, I dunno.

I'm glad he didn't leave the country because I need him to take us back to 2017 when America was greater than ever before.

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Indeed the number of guns, legal and illegal in the USA is astounding.

It's a problem. Innocent people are getting killed by bullets too often. But we'll just ignore that issue if that's what it takes to protect good ol' Hunter.

Are we still talking about Hunter? ;)

Hunter has the same issue with guns and gun laws as anyone else.

I am hardly elite. I've been a working stiff my whole life living
paycheck to paycheck.

Members of the Canadian Liberal Party aren't as oppressive as America's Democrat Party is. They build security fences around their vacation homes and workplaces while forcing us to contend with an influx of millions of illegal immigrants. It's not fair, and they don't deserve all the praise you give them.

I haven't given liberals (or anyone else) any praise.

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Maybe he was just talking out of his ass, I dunno.

I'm glad he didn't leave the country because I need him to take us back to 2017 when America was greater than ever before.

I suggest ya'll get behind someone other than Donald Trump.

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Source: https://www.newsweek.com (it's pretty bad if it's Newsweek. Title: Hunter Biden's 'Sweetheart' Plea Deal Falls Apart During Hearing Website: https://tinyurl.com/2bka2ewj

It's true that Hunter's plea deal fell apart. Nevertheless, it was not a "sweetheart" deal.

Sweeping immunity for past and future offenses not yet discovered?
That's sickening sweet; like the kind of sweet that is found on a birthday cake from the supermarket.

What do you think the outcome would be for the rest of us with those same
kind offensives. hmmm? Yeah? I thought so....

But both sides said the bargain was off the table after U.S. District Jud
Maryellen Noreika, who is presiding over the case in Wilmington, Delaware
questioned if the deal offered the president's son blanket immunity from prosecution in his plea dealings or only for his tax offenses. After the
prosecutor said it would not offer sweeping immunity, Biden's attorney declared the agreement "null and void."

Just how this will proceed I don't know, and I don't care.

You have been carrying in here for quite some time, dodging, weaving and ducking that is all over now. I think you care a great deal because you were the one who said that Hunter did not receive a sweetheart deal.
It is obvious to anyone with a scintilla of a brain. Don't care, indeed. Bottom-line his lawyers got greedy. Which is why he walked out court with his proverbial tail tucked between his legs with no deal.

Sweeping Immunity? Now theres a subject to discuss around the water cooler.
He is guilty as sin and so is his geriatric father as well.

If your going to peddle any more garage in here, remember I will be watching. I will counter you move for move. Choose wisely.

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On 07 Aug 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

Maybe he was just talking out of his ass, I dunno.

I'm glad he didn't leave the country because I need him to take us back t
2017 when America was greater than ever before.

I suggest ya'll get behind someone other than Donald Trump.

Yeah you would like that wouldn't you?
Guess what? WE are not going anywhere I and others will follow Donald Trump all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington D.C. TRUMP 2024!

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I'm glad he didn't leave the country because I need him to take us back 2017 when America was greater than ever before.

I suggest ya'll get behind someone other than Donald Trump.

Nobody else can be trusted. Nobody else has the integrity.

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