This is an international echo, where folks from around the world
are welcome to participate, in the language of their choice. Maybe
you should expand your horizons by listening to what they have to
say. Even if you don't like it, you might learn a thing or two.

My only so called beef was with your inaccurate statement of
"in the language of their choice. " That is NOT correct.

"You ain't nothin' but a couyon!"

A Cajun French term used to describe a foolish person.
The Internet knows all, so there no use in hiding beyond anything or anyone.

This coming from someone (you) who is not even nodelisted.

Fidonet is not limited to sysops only. All are welcome to participate
in the echo(s) of their choice.

1.2.1.1 Users

The sysop is responsible for the actions of any user when they affect the
rest of FidoNet. (If a user is annoying, the sysop is annoying.) Any
traffic entering FidoNet via a given node, if not from the sysop, is consid- ered to be from a user and is the responsibility of the sysop. (See section 2.1.3.)

But as you know, it is not an official document of anything.
Nobody knows who signed it. Or who wrote it. Or how many took
part in writing it. It was also never ratified. In any zone.

Policy 4 is the governing document of fidonet. Like it or not.
Perhaps this is why more Democrats get locked up more then Republicans because they argue with the law.

The only vote that ever took place in regards to P4 was at
a con in Zone 2.
No other vote was ever taken, in any zone, in regards to ratification. What do you say to that, Big Boy?

I was not the one who mentioned ratification to any degree, your the one that went down that dead-end road, not me. Therefore, I would say quite simply to and in regards to Policy 4 what has existed before would obviously remain.

If you think that Policy 4 has no authority.
If I were you, and thank goodness that I am not, I would NOT go any further. It would terrible to see you crushed under something that you believe does not exist.

There has been political fighting for dominance and control, but you have no dog in this fight even if it did exist in 2023.

The official language for those who wrote it might be English,

That was my only of point of contention with your former statement.

I do not see Dr. Jill and her husband splitting up any time soon.
Both are very loyal to each other, and do not sleep around with others. Unlike your orange clown, who has cheated on several of his wives, and
Joe would put his dogs on him.

Trump has ca$h to buy the best of everything, including the best dog treats known to the canine kingdom. So no, they wouldn't attack as you would think, they would leave Biden, just as Jill left her former husband Bill Stevenson to
have a affair with Biden.

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Hello Greg,

This is an international echo, where folks from around the

world

are welcome to participate, in the language of their choice.

Maybe

you should expand your horizons by listening to what they have

to

say. Even if you don't like it, you might learn a thing or two.

My only so called beef was with your inaccurate statement of
"in the language of their choice. " That is NOT correct.

My native language is Cajun French, not English.
But I am not limited to writing in French. Or in English.
I can do so in Spanish. Or Swahili. Or whatever other
language I choose.

"You ain't nothin' but a couyon!"

A Cajun French term used to describe a foolish person.

Nope. It means, literally, testicles.

Now tell me how to say "fuck you" in ASL (American Sign Language).

The Internet knows all, so there no use in hiding beyond anything or anyone.

Feel free to use the internet all you want.
I live in Louisiana. I speak with people in Cajun French
all the time. There are also some folks I converse with
in ASL.

One of the nice things about ASL is that over 60 percent of the
signs are the same in French Sign Language. That basically makes
me bilingual in two different way.

I really did enjoy President Macron's visit to New Orleans, as
did many others. He acknowledged us all, waving at us, and also
thanking us for the fountain pen given to him, the wood coming
from a street car.

It is amazing how the wave of a hand means the same thing
in many languages.

This coming from someone (you) who is not even nodelisted.

Fidonet is not limited to sysops only. All are welcome to participate
in the echo(s) of their choice.

1.2.1.1 Users

The sysop is responsible for the actions of any user when they affect the
rest of FidoNet. (If a user is annoying, the sysop is annoying.) Any traffic entering FidoNet via a given node, if not from the sysop, is consid-
ered to be from a user and is the responsibility of the sysop. (See section
2.1.3.)

One more time. Fidonet is not limited to sysops only.
You are a sysop, having your own board. You are free to
allow anybody and everybody to use your board. Or not
to allow. It is all up to you, as it is your board.

And that is the way it should be. Each sysop is lord and master
of his/her own board. What could be more fair than that?

Do you need a document written by anonymous to tell you that?
Do you need a document at all to tell you that?
Do you need anybody at all to tell you what to do?

But as you know, it is not an official document of anything.
Nobody knows who signed it. Or who wrote it. Or how many took
part in writing it. It was also never ratified. In any zone.

Policy 4 is the governing document of fidonet. Like it or not.

I do not recognize it as having any legitimate authority.
And why should I? Nobody signed it. No zone ratified it. Only
one sanctioned vote taken, in zone 2, the result uanimmous
rejection.

Nobody even knows who wrote it. And none came forward even
to make that claim. So what makes it so special to you?

Perhaps this is why more Democrats get locked up more then Republicans because they argue with the law.

We're not talking about "the law" but a piece of cyberjunk.

The only vote that ever took place in regards to P4 was at
a con in Zone 2.
No other vote was ever taken, in any zone, in regards to ratification.
What do you say to that, Big Boy?

I was not the one who mentioned ratification to any degree, your the one that went down that dead-end road, not me.

You cited P4 as if it was "the law" - I set you straight on that
subject by noting it was never ratified, and no sysop ever voted in
favor of it. You cannot even tell me who wrote it, since nobody took
credit. That's right. Nobody signed it. So please tell me. Who wrote
it?

We know who wrote the Declaration of Independence.
Those who wrote it signed their own names.

We know who wrote the US Constitution.
Those who wrote it signed their own names.

We also know which states ratified the US Consitution.
Each individual state (colony) did, one at a time.

So was it so difficult for those who wrote P4 to sign their names?
Why the secrecy? Could be they were not even sysops ...

Therefore, I would say quite simply to and in regards to Policy 4 what has existed before would obviously remain.

Policy 4 is cyberjunk, plain and simple. Not ratified in any zone.
Receiving votes from ZERO sysops. As such, it should be disregarded
by all. As it already has been for years by me and others.

If you think that Policy 4 has no authority.

I don't think. I know. So do you (if you care to admit it).

If I were you, and thank goodness that I am not, I would NOT go any further.

Why not? The only "rule" that I know of in regards to becoming
a Fidonet sysop is to demonstrate the ability to send and receive
netmail. I can do that. Anytime I like.

It would terrible to see you crushed under something that you believe does not exist.

Fidonet is a community of sysops around the world - not a piece
of cyberjunk. The reason for being is communication. Not just with
other sysops, but also others who are also interested. This is not
limited to those who speak English, as the world is a very big
place, with many different peoples.

There has been political fighting for dominance and control, but you have no
dog in this fight even if it did exist in 2023.

Anybody can join Fidonet. I have already told you the one and only
"rule" that is said to exist. So why is there even a P4?

The official language for those who wrote it might be English,

That was my only of point of contention with your former statement.

Are you saying, or suggesting, that Bj”rn wrote it? Remember,
his native language is Swedish, but he does write English quite
well, given his time practicing the language.

I do not see Dr. Jill and her husband splitting up any time soon.
Both are very loyal to each other, and do not sleep around with others.
Unlike your orange clown, who has cheated on several of his wives, and
Joe would put his dogs on him.

Trump has ca$h to buy the best of everything, including the best dog treats
known to the canine kingdom. So no, they wouldn't attack as you would think, they would leave Biden, just as Jill left her former husband Bill Stevenson to have a affair with Biden.

Golly gee, that must be the longest affair in history, as they
are still at it after all these years ...

For Life,
Lee

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On 31 May 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

This is an international echo, where folks from around the

world

are welcome to participate, in the language of their choice.

Maybe

you should expand your horizons by listening to what they have

to

say. Even if you don't like it, you might learn a thing or two.

My only so called beef was with your inaccurate statement of
"in the language of their choice. " That is NOT correct.

My native language is Cajun French, not English.
But I am not limited to writing in French. Or in English.
I can do so in Spanish. Or Swahili. Or whatever other
language I choose.

"You ain't nothin' but a couyon!"

A Cajun French term used to describe a foolish person.

Nope. It means, literally, testicles.

Now tell me how to say "fuck you" in ASL (American Sign Language).

The Internet knows all, so there no use in hiding beyond anything or anyone.

Feel free to use the internet all you want.
I live in Louisiana. I speak with people in Cajun French
all the time. There are also some folks I converse with
in ASL.

One of the nice things about ASL is that over 60 percent of the
signs are the same in French Sign Language. That basically makes
me bilingual in two different way.

I really did enjoy President Macron's visit to New Orleans, as
did many others. He acknowledged us all, waving at us, and also
thanking us for the fountain pen given to him, the wood coming
from a street car.

It is amazing how the wave of a hand means the same thing
in many languages.

This coming from someone (you) who is not even nodelisted.

Fidonet is not limited to sysops only. All are welcome to participate
in the echo(s) of their choice.

1.2.1.1 Users

The sysop is responsible for the actions of any user when they affec
the
rest of FidoNet. (If a user is annoying, the sysop is annoying.) Any
traffic entering FidoNet via a given node, if not from the sysop, is consid-
ered to be from a user and is the responsibility of the sysop. (See section
2.1.3.)

One more time. Fidonet is not limited to sysops only.

Look back at the former massages you will see that I never said Fidonet was limited to only Sysops, not even once, nor did I even come close to suggest anything close to this.

This was purely you losing your mind, and flying off the handle.
Relax Ex-lax..

Nobody even knows who wrote it. And none came forward even
to make that claim. So what makes it so special to you?

Special. No. Like I pointed out the official language here in Fidonet is English, I don't give a rats ass if you speak French or any other variation of Frog, don't care. When in Fidonet it's English on the keyboard got it, Great!

Perhaps this is why more Democrats get locked up more then Republicans LL> GD> because they argue with the law. LL>

We're not talking about "the law" but a piece of cyberjunk.

Your just a twit user, so guess what percentage WE within Fidonet care about opinions as it relates to Policy 4? Care to place a wager? No didn't think so!

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... Still waitng for that Coffee :)

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Hello Greg,

[..]

Nobody even knows who wrote it. And none came forward even
to make that claim. So what makes it so special to you?

Special. No.

Is that so?

Like I pointed out the official language here in Fidonet is English,

Either P4 is "special to you" or it is not.
You clearly wrote "No" - so I will take your word for it.
Which means you just contradicted yourself.
IOW, P4 means nothing, as it is nothing but cyberjunk.

I don't give a rats ass if you speak French or any other variation of Frog,
don't care. When in Fidonet it's English on the keyboard got it, Great!

That is what I have been telling you from Day 1 - P4 is cyberjunk.
There is no official language of Fidonet. All participants (sysops
and non-sysops alike) are welcome to use the language of their own
choice.

Perhaps this is why more Democrats get locked up more then

Republicans LL> GD> because they argue with the law. LL>

We're not talking about "the law" but a piece of cyberjunk.

Your just a twit user, so guess what percentage WE within Fidonet care about
opinions as it relates to Policy 4? Care to place a wager?

The native language of the vast majority of participants in Fidonet
(sysops and non-sysops) is not English, and all are free to use the
language of their choice in conversing with others.

If you have a problem with that, twit them. And be alone conversing
with your own self.

No didn't think so!

Heads I win, tails you lose.
Or maybe it is the other way around.
Doesn't really matter.
They are all faces on the same coin.

For Life,
Lee







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Hello Greg,

[..]

One more time. Fidonet is not limited to sysops only.

Look back at the former massages you will see that I never said Fidonet was
limited to only Sysops, not even once, nor did I even come close to suggest
anything close to this.

This was purely you losing your mind, and flying off the handle.
Relax Ex-lax..

Let's try to keep this a clean board ...

Nobody even knows who wrote it. And none came forward even
to make that claim. So what makes it so special to you?

Special. No.

Then ditch it. Dump into the pile of cyberjunk - where it belongs.

Like I pointed out the official language here in Fidonet is English,

Only in your own mind.

Th official language of Gregory Deyss might be English, but do take
note that not even the USA has an official language - much less the
community of sysops known as Fidonet - which is worldwide.

I don't give a rats ass if you speak French or any other variation of Frog,
don't care. When in Fidonet it's English on the keyboard got it, Great!

Then why is it so important to you that all participants in every
Fidonet echo speak/write in English?

For Life,
Lee

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My native language is Cajun French, not English.
But I am not limited to writing in French. Or in English.
I can do so in Spanish. Or Swahili. Or whatever other
language I choose.

From the POLITICS.RUL file, submitted once a month to the echo coordinator:

# All messages must be in English.

Nope. It means, literally, testicles.

Now tell me how to say "fuck you" in ASL (American Sign Language).

Also from the RUL file:

If you cannot express your views without swearing, please find another
"free speech" political arena to express them in.

Odd that the only two posters I see having this issue lately are you and
your host sysop... well, not really that odd.

Feel free to use the internet all you want.
I live in Louisiana. I speak with people in Cajun French
all the time. There are also some folks I converse with
in ASL.

Yeah, Louisiana, Sweden.


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Hello Mike,

My native language is Cajun French, not English.
But I am not limited to writing in French. Or in English.
I can do so in Spanish. Or Swahili. Or whatever other
language I choose.

From the POLITICS.RUL file, submitted once a month to the echo coordinator:

There are no rules in politics, as everyone and everything is
fair game. However, the judicial philosophy of Fidonet consists
of two "rules" that all sysops are expected to abide by.

Let's call them "Rules for Behavior" - by anarchist Tom Jannings.

Every sysop in Fidonet knows what those two "rules" are.

Telling others not to be annoying is easy.
It is the second "rule" where things get interesting.

Think it out.

There are no moderators in Fidonet. Participants can post whatever
they want without having messages pre-screened by anybody. So why do
you have a fetish about posting rules of any kind for participants
to follow?

Telling participants not to be "excessively annoyed" recognizes that
in any public exchange of ideas there is *something* that annoys you.

Which places your very self at odds with the judicial philosophy
of Fidonet.

And you know what that means.

Maybe, just maybe, the entity known as Mike Powell should increase
his threshold of annoyance.

For Life,
Lee

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There are no moderators in Fidonet. Participants can post whatever
they want without having messages pre-screened by anybody. So why do
you have a fetish about posting rules of any kind for participants
to follow?

Except there are moderators, and those moderators do have rules for their echos.

The fact that entities like "Lee Lofaso" are too stupid to understand or
follow said rules is, well, not surprising.


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Please move all discussion of Fido network policy and "network politics" to
a more appropriate echo. Thanks!


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Hello Mike,

There are no moderators in Fidonet. Participants can post whatever
they want without having messages pre-screened by anybody. So why do
you have a fetish about posting rules of any kind for participants
to follow?

Except there are moderators, and those moderators do have rules for their echos.

Since participants own the echoes, it is only their own "rules"
that apply. And those are the only "rules" that count.

The fact that entities like "Lee Lofaso" are too stupid to understand
or follow said rules is, well, not surprising.

Oh, telling others not to be annoying is easy. It's the other "rule"
where things get interesting. And that is what anarchist Tom Jennings
has been trying to teach you all these years. You really do need to
increase your threshold of annoyance, otherwise you will never truly
understand what Fidonet is all about.

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Mike,

Please move all discussion of Fido network policy and "network politics" to
a more appropriate echo. Thanks!

This is the POLITICS echo, where participants are welcome to
discuss all issues relating to POLITICS. Thanks for playing.

For Life,
Lee

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Pay your taxes!

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