I tried to move political questioned to the dedicated POLITICS echo, but it's so infested with MAGA idiots, it seems to be impossible to maintain a civil conservation there, so I'll try this echo, that seems to have the most intelligent users left in Fidonet.

What I'd like to know is, how come an entire country (the USA) still think that Medicare for all is leftist, socialist evil shit?

"I don't want to pay other people's medical bills, I prefer to buy my own insurance." Meaning 20% of your salary rather than 4% on taxes...

If you pay for an insurance on your home, on your car, or any other insurances, isn't that all about having all the other insurancees paying for your eventual misfortune?

Final conclusion:

If you never have to use that Medicare for all insurance in your life, isn't that like winning the lottery, after paying only 4% of your salary? Like never having a hurricane or flood destroying your home?

I guess the next time that you get a medical bill for something like $68k for just an MRI exam (actual example) you'll regret your choice. And good luck with trying to get your private medical insurance company to pay for it. Movies like Erin Brockovich springs to mind...



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maintain a civil conservation there

LOL! Yeah, sometimes an accidental mishap on the keyboard can end up rather hilarious...



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Hi! Björn,

On 03/12/2022 11:37 AM, you wrote:

maintain a civil conservation there

LOL! Yeah, sometimes an accidental mishap on the keyboard can end up rather hilarious...

"Please replace keyboard. Replacement user not available." HAL 9000

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello Bj”rn,

I tried to move political questioned to the dedicated POLITICS echo, but it's so infested with MAGA idiots, it seems to be impossible to maintain a civil conservation there, so I'll try this echo, that seems to have the most intelligent users left in Fidonet.

George W. Bush claimed to be a compassionate conservative,
not a civil conservative. And definitely not a fiscal conservative,
as we all know what happened to the budget surplus Bill Clinton left
him with. But what the heck is a civil conservative? Does such an
animal even exist?

What I'd like to know is, how come an entire country (the USA) still think that Medicare for all is leftist, socialist evil shit?

Ask a veteran. They would know.

"I don't want to pay other people's medical bills, I prefer to buy my own insurance." Meaning 20% of your salary rather than 4% on taxes...

Veterans get it all for free. With no co-pay. Not only that, but
they also get lots of freebies. Such as wheelchairs, scooters, ...

If you pay for an insurance on your home, on your car, or any other insurances, isn't that all about having all the other insurancees paying for your eventual misfortune?

Veterans earn their benefits. Unlike those who choose to do nothing
all day, and live on [somebody else's] the dime.

Final conclusion:

If you never have to use that Medicare for all insurance in your life, isn't that like winning the lottery, after paying only 4% of your salary? Like never having a hurricane or flood destroying your home?

Social security is social insurance. That means everybody pays
for those who qualify. Medicare was added to the social security
program three decades later, by LBJ, for those who qualify.

IOW, social security/medicare is an *earned* benefit. And a part
of our social fabric. Should it be expanded to include all (regardless
of who they are due to age/sex/employment history/etc)? Bernie Sanders
and AOC think it is a nifty idea to do so. Even if nobody can afford
it. After all, everything ought to be free.

I guess the next time that you get a medical bill for something like $68k for just an MRI exam (actual example) you'll regret your choice. And good luck with trying to get your private medical insurance company to pay for it. Movies like Erin Brockovich springs to mind...

The first of all human rights is access to quality health care.

The rich and famous have access to quality health care. Not everybody
else does. Even though they should. If something is not affordable, it
is not accessible. If something is watered down to the point of being meaningless, it is meaningless.

Those politicians who want to end Obamacare (without replacing it
with a viable alternative) are murderers. The same with politicians
who want to weaken or end medicare. Or gut benefits for veterans.


--Lee

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Björn Felten wrote to All <=-

What I'd like to know is, how come an entire country (the USA) still think that Medicare for all is leftist, socialist evil shit?

"I don't want to pay other people's medical bills, I prefer to buy
my own insurance." Meaning 20% of your salary rather than 4% on
taxes...

We don't all think that. The people who are bankrupted by serious medical treatment don't think that. Anyone who's had cancer treatment doesn't think that.Anyone who's had children in post-natal care doesn't think that. Anyone on a maintenance drug like Insulin doesn't think that. Anyone with a serious allergy doesn't think that.

Anyone who realizes that for-profit health care is ultimately bad for the welfare of the body politic doesn't think that.

Anyone who realizes that not being able to afford preventative care and
ending up in the emergency room is ultimately more costly doesn't think
that.

Anyone who pays COBRA rates for self-insurance when they're unemployed
doesn't think that. Hint - paying for insurance out of pocket is far greater than unemployment benefits.

Anyone stuck in a job they hate because they need the medical insurance for their family doesn't think that.

Many Americans don't think the way you think. Our government is broken and
no longer represents the people.



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Many Americans don't think the way you think. Our government is broken
and no longer represents the people.

Unfortunately, having spent 7 or 8 years in the USA I have to state that Bjorn is correct.

We (Belgium) have a system which is similar to what Bjorn's Sweden has, What it means I can demonsrate with 2 examples.

First during my weeks long Covid19 hospitalisation and all subsequent treatment, the final bill for me was 229 Euro which today is 251US$, the full bill was something around 20.000Euro, close to 22.000US$. The system I'm enrolled in takes care of it. For your information, my wife was also hospitalised, roughly the same bill.

Second, my daughter needed a gall bladder surgery after delivery of a baby (quite common). About a week in hospital, private room, the works. In the end the bill was 1,49 Euro (less than 2 bucks) because she asked for an extra bottle of water ...

When Bjorn's wife had to be airlifted to a specialised hospital further away, it was with a C130 ... I don't think he had to pay for it.

That's how our government mandated medical insurance works. It's for everyone, also the nameless bum sleeping in the park.

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