Hello Everybody,

Human wave attacks.
What a novel idea.
The Ayatollah Khomeini thought it would work.
But we all know how that turned out.
But hey.
That did not faze Mad Vlad.
He knows how to do things right.
Which is why he hired The Wagner Group.
And we all know how that is turning out.
Mad Mullahs are still in Iran, 44 years
after their revolution. I wonder how
longer Mad Vlad will be around?
Or Russia, for that matter, given the
sheer number of Russians who have left?


Putin's 'human wave' attacks kill Russians by thousands

“Keep going until you’re killed.”

That’s what Andrei Medvedev recalls being told by his commanders at
the Wagner Group, a private Russian mercenary army that recruits people
like him out of prison to wage the Kremlin’s war of aggression against Ukraine.

Medvedev is unusual in that he not only lived to tell the tale but
somehow escaped to Norway. Most others in his situation aren’t so
lucky. As the war approaches its first anniversary, increasing numbers
of Russians in Ukraine — both regular soldiers and Wagner mercenaries
— are being treated by their superiors as “cannon fodder.” Barely
trained and often badly armed, they’re ordered to throw themselves at
the more hardened Ukrainian defenders, in a cynical tactic based on overwhelming the enemy with sheer numbers.

Another name for this approach is “human-wave attacks.” They’ve been a tragically recurring feature of modern warcraft; from the trenches of
World War I to the Soviet onslaught against the Finns and Germans in
World War II, from the Chinese assaults on South Korean and American
troops in the Korean War to the Iranian charges against the Iraqis in
the 1980s.

https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/comment-putins-human-wave-attacks- kill-russians-by-thousands/

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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 16.02.2023 00:05

LL> That did not faze Mad Vlad.
LL> He knows how to do things right.
LL> Which is why he hired The Wagner Group.

From your point of view, is the Wagner Group worse than Russian army
and why? Both are paid military?

Bye, Lee!
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Hello, alexander!

Thursday February 16 2023 11:14, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

From your point of view, is the Wagner Group worse than Russian army
and why? Both are paid military?

Was Oskar Dirlewanger's group worse than Wehrmacht? :)

Founder of Wagner Group is neo-nazi himself, btw.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello Alexander,

That did not faze Mad Vlad.
He knows how to do things right.
Which is why he hired The Wagner Group.

From your point of view, is the Wagner Group worse than Russian army
and why? Both are paid military?

Doesn't really matter which is worse. As to the why, that is
also easy to understand, even for the uninitiated.

The idea of sending as many badly trained and badly armed men as
possible at the other side is not a winning tactic. And yet, it is
still done in today's modern world.

So who is to blame? Those who give the orders, or those who
follow the orders?

For Life,
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Lee wrote (2023-02-16):

The idea of sending as many badly trained and badly armed men as
possible at the other side is not a winning tactic. And yet, it is
still done in today's modern world.

So who is to blame? Those who give the orders, or those who
follow the orders?

Many who follow the orders have elected the mass murderer who started the war. They voted for their own death.

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They voted for their own death.

This is something Russian soldiers need to think about when they're shipped to the front...

The only game changer Russia has is "numbers" ...

... They voted for their own death ...

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 16.02.2023 14:28

ak>> From your point of view, is the Wagner Group worse than
ak>> Russian army and why? Both are paid military?
DP> Was Oskar Dirlewanger's group worse than Wehrmacht? :)
DP> Founder of Wagner Group is neo-nazi himself, btw.

Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live, according
their idee fixe, using violence as a tool. Exactly these people came to
Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to Russian Donbass and started these
hell of violence.

The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for democratic
values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia. That's why they
desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.

Even totalitarian Putin or Wagers fighters don't use such methods.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hello, alexander!

Saturday February 18 2023 18:35, you wrote to me:

Was Oskar Dirlewanger's group worse than Wehrmacht? :)
Founder of Wagner Group is neo-nazi himself, btw.

Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live, according
their idee fixe, using violence as a tool. Exactly these people came

This is how Russia is living at this moment.

to Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to Russian Donbass and started
these hell of violence.

Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea. At Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army".
One lie makes many(c).

Current Pruin's Russia is based on lies, that's the bases of our poor country at this moment :(

The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for democratic values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia. That's why they

Another lie because West gave Russia everything it had. Even Fidonet was not created by Russian programmers, it was taken from the West with MNP modems.
Soros paid for MNP modems for Russians starting from 1988 (!). Do you think Fidonet is agood thing? :)

desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.

It was possible to stop USSR expansion to Europe, give people freedom, stop Cold war. But USSR decided to occupy them, started mass repressions and moved them into the delusional way of building communism (which now is a joke even in modern Russia).
Now it's time to pay the price. Nothing comes for free(c). Do you know that? :)

Even totalitarian Putin or Wagers fighters don't use such methods.

The will do anything to keep their power. It's well known how Russian stated payed to neo-nazis in Europe and invited them to Saint Petersburg.
At the same time talking about danger of the Fascism.

Never trust that moron, he'll rot in hell.

Best regards,
dp.

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Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live, according
their idee fixe, using violence as a tool.

Fascism is different from your description.

Exactly these people came to Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to Russian Donbass and started these hell of violence.

Nobody went to Kiev in 2014. The people of Kiev wanted, and got change.

The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for democratic
values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia. That's why they
desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.

The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and democracy.

They were attacked by a fascist government in Russia and seem to have the support of the Russian people, not entirely but a large number of Russian people seem to think that "Putin must be right to attack the people of Ukraine.

These attacks continue even today, almost one year after the invasion began.

Even totalitarian Putin or Wagers fighters don't use such methods.

There is nothing for Russia to be proud of in any of this.

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Alexander,

Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live, according their idee fixe, using violence as a tool. Exactly these people came to Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to Russian Donbass and started these
hell of violence.

Fascism is a form of government where a political group will rise to power through elections and then abolish elections as they are not needed anymore because the group in power has nothing but the best intentions, or so they claim.

The biggest fascist countries at the moment are:

* North Korea
* The People's Republic of China
* Russia

Hey, all one way or the other tie in to communism ...

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 19.02.2023 06:24

ak>> Fascists are those who tell other people how they must
ak>> live, according their idee fixe, using violence as a tool.
ak>> Exactly these people came to Kiev in 2014 and then from
ak>> Kiev to Russian Donbass and started these hell of violence.
WD> Fascism is a form of government where a political group will
WD> rise to power through elections and then abolish elections as
WD> they are not needed anymore because the group in power has
WD> nothing but the best intentions, or so they claim. The biggest fascist
WD> countries at the moment are:

It is not important in which way they come to power. The main feature, I repeat -- installing _forcefully_ their will on other people according
to idee fixe, as a rule a nationalistic one. In this case they are
called also Nazi-fascists.

Ukrainian fascists dislodged a lawful President, they trampled the will
of tens of millions of people, they tried to remake that people as if
they obedient robots. They caused the split and violence, mainly because
their main argument always was a brutal force, as they demonstrated it
during Maidan events in 2014. They hate words "negotiation, compromise"
in principal.

Bye, Ward!
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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 18.02.2023 23:02

ak>> Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live,
ak>> according their idee fixe, using violence as a tool.
AI> Fascism is different from your description.

Yes, the Korean leader also thinks so. ;)

ak>> Exactly these people came to Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to
ak>> Russian Donbass and started these hell of violence.

AI> Nobody went to Kiev in 2014. The people of Kiev wanted, and got
AI> change.

You know little -- numerous groups of nationalistic militants (they form
now Azov nationalistic units) had been carried in Kiev from western
Ukraine. They were the main force of the coup.

ak>> The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for
ak>> democratic values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia. That's
ak>> why they desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.

AI> The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and
AI> democracy.

But they trampled those who were not agree with them. Democracy had been trampled in the most impudent and outrageous way.

AI> They were attacked by a fascist government in Russia and seem to
AI> have the support of the Russian people, not entirely but a large
AI> number of Russian people seem to think that "Putin must be right to
AI> attack the people of Ukraine.

Of course they think so. There is a simple test for true Russians -- if somebody desecrate the memory and memorials of the fallen Soviet army
soldiers they must be called a fucking Nazi. No other propaganda from
Putin's side is needed to persuade them in the opposite view, and make
them to have a smallest sympathy for the Ukrainians (and other nations)
who do such things.

PS: Protasov is not a Russian. He has no nationality.

Bye, Alan!
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 18.02.2023 18:46


DP>>> Was Oskar Dirlewanger's group worse than Wehrmacht? :) Founder of
DP>>> Wagner Group is neo-nazi himself, btw.

ak>> Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live,
ak>> according their idee fixe, using violence as a tool. Exactly these
ak>> people came

DP> This is how Russia is living at this moment.

Nobody in Russia tells me how I must live. I have limited freedoms, it
is true, but it is another matter. Don't mix fascism and totalitarism. Lukashenko is another good example. Whatever totalitarian he is he is
not a fascist.

ak>> to Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to Russian Donbass and started
ak>> these hell of violence.

DP> Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea. At
DP> Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army". One lie
DP> makes many(c).

Violence had been stops by Russia in Crimea, which certainly would have followed a Donbass scenario in other case. So your statement is a lie.

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ak>> desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.
DP> It was possible to stop USSR expansion to Europe, give people
DP> freedom, stop Cold war. But USSR decided to occupy them, started
DP> mass repressions and moved them into the delusional way of building
DP> communism (which now is a joke even in modern Russia). Now it's
DP> time to pay the price. Nothing comes for free(c). Do you know
DP> that? :)

Common fallen Soviet soldiers who fought Hitler could be considered by
enemy only by neo-Nazy -- no other variants can be. They died and gave
for that victory the utmost price. The memorials are for them, (Soviet Ukrainians soldiers also among them), not for their ancestors.

ak>> Even totalitarian Putin or Wagers fighters don't use such methods.

DP> The will do anything to keep their power. It's well known how
DP> Russian stated payed to neo-nazis in Europe and invited them to
DP> Saint Petersburg. At the same time talking about danger of the
DP> Fascism.

I know that many people have different opinions who should be called a
Nazi or a fascist. But in Russian there is no question about it.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hello, alexander!

Monday February 20 2023 12:02, you wrote to me:

This is how Russia is living at this moment.

Nobody in Russia tells me how I must live. I have limited freedoms, it

We've got a lot special governmental agencies for such matters. Most famous is Roskomnadzor which tells you what to read, watch, which sites you should avoid (I think more that 100 000 are blocked) and what to say.

Go to the street and say "I am against the war" and end up in jail.

is true, but it is another matter. Don't mix fascism and
totalitarism. Lukashenko is another good example. Whatever
totalitarian he is he is not a fascist.

Lukashenko's troops are not fighting in Ukraine, btw. He never told pulicly that Ukraine is an artificial state.

Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea.
At Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army".
One lie makes many(c).

Violence had been stops by Russia in Crimea, which certainly would

Not a single person was killed in Crimea before Russian invasion. So this is just another Putin's bullshit you are spreading here.
This is a good example how Russia is spreading lies all around, because Putin's regime is based on lies.

It was possible to stop USSR expansion to Europe, give people
freedom, stop Cold war. But USSR decided to occupy them, started
mass repressions and moved them into the delusional way of
building communism (which now is a joke even in modern Russia).
Now it's time to pay the price. Nothing comes for free(c). Do
you know that? :)

Common fallen Soviet soldiers who fought Hitler could be considered by
enemy only by neo-Nazy -- no other variants can be. They died and
gave for that victory the utmost price. The memorials are for them,

They did what they masters told them. And they masters were real monsters, ready to kill anyone for their delusional dreams.

(Soviet Ukrainians soldiers also among them), not for their ancestors.

Justs rememeber how many Ukranian died in 30s when Stalin and his colleagues took all the food to sell to the west.
USSR was a nightmare to live in. And it brought that nightmare all around.

The will do anything to keep their power. It's well known how
Russian stated payed to neo-nazis in Europe and invited them to
Saint Petersburg. At the same time talking about danger of the
Fascism.

I know that many people have different opinions who should be called a
Nazi or a fascist. But in Russian there is no question about it.

Only if you are pro-putin's far-right supporter. In Russia we have many opinions, just most of the people cannot say them publicly because they will be punished.
I am also Russian and most of my friends would same that you are just repeating low-level propaganda.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Monday February 20 2023 11:28, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

Ukrainian fascists dislodged a lawful President, they trampled the

It's a will of people to decide which president is lawfull and which is not. Not Putin's right or job.

Putin himself is unlawful president.

Best regards,
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Hello, alexander!

Monday February 20 2023 11:44, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

Of course they think so. There is a simple test for true Russians --

There are no tests for "true" Russians :)

if somebody desecrate the memory and memorials of the fallen Soviet
army soldiers they must be called a fucking Nazi. No other propaganda

So people of South Korea are Nazis? Russian soldiers fought against them in Korea and killed a lot.
And people of Afghanistan? And many other countries where USSR was involved with it's forces?

PS: Protasov is not a Russian. He has no nationality.

As we say in Russia: do not confuse motherland with Putin's ass :)

And btw, who the fuck are you do decide whether I am Russian or not? Please go and drink some cheap vodka to support Russian economy :)

Best regards,
dp.

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Nobody went to Kiev in 2014. The people of Kiev wanted, and got
change.

You know little -- numerous groups of nationalistic militants (they form
now Azov nationalistic units) had been carried in Kiev from western
Ukraine. They were the main force of the coup.

Azov nationalistic units? That is just a lie.

The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for
democratic values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia. That's
why they desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.

The west does not hate Russia, they hate what Russian has done and is doing.

The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and
democracy.

But they trampled those who were not agree with them. Democracy had been trampled in the most impudent and outrageous way.

They trampled no one. They wanted and got change. They meant it.

They were attacked by a fascist government in Russia and seem to
have the support of the Russian people, not entirely but a large
number of Russian people seem to think that "Putin must be right to
attack the people of Ukraine.

Of course they think so. There is a simple test for true Russians -- if somebody desecrate the memory and memorials of the fallen Soviet army soldiers they must be called a fucking Nazi. No other propaganda from
Putin's side is needed to persuade them in the opposite view, and make
them to have a smallest sympathy for the Ukrainians (and other nations)
who do such things.

They know so. This desecration of memorials of fallen soviet soldiers is another lie. It has no basic in reality.

PS: Protasov is not a Russian. He has no nationality.

Protasov's nationality is not in question.

So, where do you want to go today?

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Hello Ward,

Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live, according
their idee fixe, using violence as a tool. Exactly these people came to
Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to Russian Donbass and started these
hell of violence.

Fascism is a form of government where a political group will rise to power through elections and then abolish elections as they are not needed anymore
because the group in power has nothing but the best intentions, or so they claim.

Silly boys. You know nothing.

When Huey Long was asked if fascism is coming to the United States,
he replied, "Of course we'll have it. We'll have it under the guise
of anti-fascism."

That is what is happening in Russia - fascists call themselves
anti-fascists. And that is also something that almost happened here,
in the USA (during the years of FDR).

Fascism in Italy grew out of Italian nationalism.
We saw this with Benito Mussolini.
Fascism in other lands for the same reason.

According to Mussolini, who invented it, fascism is the merger
of corporate and state powers. Using nationalism as the glue.

In a nutshell, fascism is a nationalist, corporatist, third positionist ideology. Fascism grew out of Italian nationalism - as demonstrated
by Benito Mussolini, who ruled Italy from 1922 until his party deposed
him and had him arrested just before the end of WWII. All other forms
of fascism are/were variants.

The biggest fascist countries at the moment are:

* North Korea
* The People's Republic of China
* Russia

Hey, all one way or the other tie in to communism ...

You left out Cuba. And a few others. Not that your list has anything
to do with fascism, or fascist countries.

The list of real fascist countries at the moment are -

* Vatican City - Total top down control and exclusion of all outside
oversight, over-sight, and laws. Review the definition of fascism and
then apply to the church, see what you agree with.

* Iran - A theocracy with false elections and Islamo-Fascism values.

For Life,
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Hello Alexander,

[..]

This is how Russia is living at this moment.

Nobody in Russia tells me how I must live. I have limited freedoms, it
is true, but it is another matter. Don't mix fascism and totalitarism. Lukashenko is another good example. Whatever totalitarian he is he is
not a fascist.

Lukashenko lost his bid for another term, his own people rejecting
him by a huge margin (over 80%). Mussolini was far smarter, and his
black shirts made sure the trains always ran on time. Which is why
he never lost an election of any kind.

to Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to Russian Donbass and started
these hell of violence.

Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea. At
Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army". One lie
makes many(c).

Violence had been stops by Russia in Crimea, which certainly would have followed a Donbass scenario in other case. So your statement is a lie.

<skipped>

desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.

It was possible to stop USSR expansion to Europe, give people
freedom, stop Cold war. But USSR decided to occupy them, started
mass repressions and moved them into the delusional way of building
communism (which now is a joke even in modern Russia). Now it's
time to pay the price. Nothing comes for free(c). Do you know
that? :)

Common fallen Soviet soldiers who fought Hitler could be considered by enemy only by neo-Nazy -- no other variants can be. They died and gave
for that victory the utmost price. The memorials are for them, (Soviet Ukrainians soldiers also among them), not for their ancestors.

Soldiers fought for their homeland, their families, their loved ones. Regardless of how the felt personally about Josef Stalin.

What this conflict in Ukraine is about is not defense of Russia,
but rather a land grab by Putin and his cohorts. Same as the land
grab by Hitler and his cohorts in regards to Russia and eastern
Europe - plus a tad bit of western Europe.

Even totalitarian Putin or Wagers fighters don't use such methods.

The will do anything to keep their power. It's well known how
Russian stated payed to neo-nazis in Europe and invited them to
Saint Petersburg. At the same time talking about danger of the
Fascism.

I know that many people have different opinions who should be called a Nazi or a fascist. But in Russian there is no question about it.

"Unchecked aggression is a threat to all of us. One year later, Kyiv
stands and Ukraine stands. Democracy stands, Americans stand, and the
world stands with you."
~ US President Joe Biden, in Kyiv, 2/20/2023

When is the Russian president going to visit the Russian city of Kyiv?

Oh, he is too busy tweaking his "special military operation".

And besides, he has a speech to prepare, on the one year anniversary
of his victory over the fucking Nazis ...

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Hello Alexander,

Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live,
according their idee fixe, using violence as a tool.

Fascism is different from your description.

Yes, the Korean leader also thinks so. ;)

His sister is the real leader.
And nobody wants to knows what she thinks.

Exactly these people came to Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to
Russian Donbass and started these hell of violence.

Nobody went to Kiev in 2014. The people of Kiev wanted, and got
change.

You know little -- numerous groups of nationalistic militants (they form now Azov nationalistic units) had been carried in Kiev from western Ukraine. They were the main force of the coup.

There was no coup. A new guy took office, with the people's blessing.

The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for
democratic values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia. That's
why they desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.

The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and
democracy.

But they trampled those who were not agree with them. Democracy had been trampled in the most impudent and outrageous way.

The Russian city of Kyiv is still waiting for the president of Russia.
It is not waiting for the President of the United States.

They were attacked by a fascist government in Russia and seem to
have the support of the Russian people, not entirely but a large
number of Russian people seem to think that "Putin must be right to
attack the people of Ukraine.

Of course they think so. There is a simple test for true Russians -- if somebody desecrate the memory and memorials of the fallen Soviet army soldiers they must be called a fucking Nazi.

Face it. The grandfather could stand on the front lines and remain
unharmed despite the best efforts of that "special military operation"
Putin spoke so highly of.

No other propaganda from Putin's side is needed to persuade them in the opposite view, and make them to have a smallest sympathy for the Ukrainians
(and other nations) who do such things.

So when is the Russian president going to visit the Russian city
of Kyiv? Must ba a lot of fucking Nazis, too many to keep count.

PS: Protasov is not a Russian. He has no nationality.

Must be just another fucking Nazi.

For Life,
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 20.02.2023 12:25

DP>>> Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea. At
DP>>> Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army". One
DP>>> lie makes many(c).

I repeat you if you read poorly -- violence in Crimea had not happened,
like it had happened in Donbass, only because of Russian military in
Crimea. And, BTW, If Russian troops entered Donbass in 2014 there would
not had been any violence there too.

<skipped>
ak>> (Soviet Ukrainians soldiers also among them), not for their
ak>> ancestors.

DP> Justs rememeber how many Ukranian died in 30s when Stalin and his
DP> colleagues took all the food to sell to the west. USSR was a
DP> nightmare to live in. And it brought that nightmare all around.

Soviet soldiers fallen in the WW2 are not connected with it. I hope you
will not connect Catholic Church and inquisition killings.

DP>>> The will do anything to keep their power. It's well known how
DP>>> Russian stated payed to neo-nazis in Europe and invited them to
DP>>> Saint Petersburg. At the same time talking about danger of the
DP>>> Fascism.
ak>> I know that many people have different opinions who should be
ak>> called a Nazi or a fascist. But in Russian there is no question
ak>> about it.

DP> Only if you are pro-putin's far-right supporter. In Russia we have
DP> many opinions, just most of the people cannot say them publicly
DP> because they will be punished. I am also Russian and most of my
DP> friends would same that you are just repeating low-level
DP> propaganda.

During the war the situation in Ukraine and Russia is similar - all the opinions against the official doctrine are punishable. Don't pretend you
don't know it.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 20.02.2023 13:22

AI>>> Nobody went to Kiev in 2014. The people of Kiev wanted, and got
AI>>> change.

ak>> You know little -- numerous groups of nationalistic militants
ak>> (they form now Azov nationalistic units) had been carried in Kiev
ak>> from western Ukraine. They were the main force of the coup.

AI> Azov nationalistic units? That is just a lie.

You believe only Ukrainian propaganda, I know. ;-) But believing in black-and-white world is a sign of narrow-mindedness. Both sides have a
lie and the truth in their disposal. And when Russian media were totally banned from TV satellites it is profoundly bad. Unless you consider (as
Borrel in EC)) that people in general are fools and cannot tell what is
a lie and you should act as a doctor for their brains. But no western TV
will show hospitals, kindergartens and houses bombed by Ukrainians
fighter for democracy.

ak>>>> The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for
ak>>>> democratic values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia.
ak>>>> That's why they desecrate the memorials of those who fought
ak>>>> Hitler.

AI> The west does not hate Russia, they hate what Russian has done and
AI> is doing.

It better to say this hate looks like a fear for a strong Russia.

AI>>> The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and
AI>>> democracy.

There is no such things in Ukraine after 2014, at least for eastern part
and southern part of it. Nationalists had made democracy for themselves
only.

ak>> But they trampled those who were not agree with them. Democracy
ak>> had been trampled in the most impudent and outrageous way.

AI> They trampled no one. They wanted and got change. They meant it.

You've got a stamp in your brain that everyone who is against Russia is fighting for democracy. In reality Ukrainians want to create a single nationality state as Israel has done -- a very poor example of democracy.

AI>>> They were attacked by a fascist government in Russia and seem to
AI>>> have the support of the Russian people, not entirely but a large
AI>>> number of Russian people seem to think that "Putin must be right
AI>>> to attack the people of Ukraine.

ak>> Of course they think so. There is a simple test for true
ak>> Russians -- if somebody desecrate the memory and memorials of the
ak>> fallen Soviet army soldiers they must be called a fucking Nazi. No
ak>> other propaganda from Putin's side is needed to persuade them in
ak>> the opposite view, and make them to have a smallest sympathy for
ak>> the Ukrainians (and other nations) who do such things.

AI> They know so. This desecration of memorials of fallen soviet
AI> soldiers is another lie. It has no basic in reality.

Again I have a feeling that you write from Mars. ;-)

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday February 21 2023 15:26, you wrote to me:

Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea.
At Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army".
One lie makes many(c).

I repeat you if you read poorly -- violence in Crimea had not
happened, like it had happened in Donbass, only because of Russian

Violence in Kharkiv or Dnipro never happened also. And Russian forces were never there.

military in Crimea. And, BTW, If Russian troops entered Donbass in
2014 there would not had been any violence there too.

Russia sent bunch of fighters there, read about Strelkov (Girkin) and his team.

Kiev was mostly Russian speaking and no one did anything to people skeaping Russian there :) I've been there 2 times since 2014, never had any problems.

Justs rememeber how many Ukranian died in 30s when Stalin and
his colleagues took all the food to sell to the west. USSR was a
nightmare to live in. And it brought that nightmare all around.

Soviet soldiers fallen in the WW2 are not connected with it. I hope

But Soviet leaders were connected. They gave orders, they are responsible. Soldiers were only a tool in the hands of part leaders.

you will not connect Catholic Church and inquisition killings.

Church was responsible, it's impossible to deny that.

Only if you are pro-putin's far-right supporter. In Russia we
have many opinions, just most of the people cannot say them
publicly because they will be punished. I am also Russian and
most of my friends would same that you are just repeating
low-level propaganda.

During the war the situation in Ukraine and Russia is similar - all

It's even impossible to say "war" about current events in Russia publicly - you'll be severely punished.

the opinions against the official doctrine are punishable. Don't

I don't remember anything punished in Ukraine for saying "I am for peace". In Russia we've got a lot of such examples.
Just try to go to the street with slogan "I am for peace" and you will end up in jail. And you know that.



Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday February 21 2023 15:48, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

a lie and the truth in their disposal. And when Russian media were
totally banned from TV satellites it is profoundly bad. Unless you

It's very lame to provide services to Russian state media where they call EU failed state and push pro-war propaganda.
Russia could launch it's own low orbit satellite and provide services to europeans ;)
The problem is that it can't.

And in Russia even Euronews is banned and it's website is blocked.

It better to say this hate looks like a fear for a strong Russia.

The fear is about delusional putin with nuclear bombs.

There is no such things in Ukraine after 2014, at least for eastern

It's another propaganda from a guy who wasn't in Ukraine after 2014.

is fighting for democracy. In reality Ukrainians want to create a
single nationality state as Israel has done -- a very poor example of democracy.

They never wanted this. It's another lie.

Again I have a feeling that you write from Mars. ;-)

And you are from Russia Today :) BTW, I know some people from this channel, they are PROUD that they are telling lies.
They call it - "our information warfare".

As I said, modern Russian state is based on lies.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello Alan,

[..]

So, where do you want to go today?

Today is Mardi Gras.

Like just about everybody in these parts, I am going to party!

Throw me something, Mister!

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Alexander,

Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea. At
Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army". One
lie makes many(c).

I repeat you if you read poorly -- violence in Crimea had not happened, like it had happened in Donbass, only because of Russian military in Crimea. And, BTW, If Russian troops entered Donbass in 2014 there would not had been any violence there too.

If Russian troops entered Ukraine in 2014 there would not have been
any violence.
Whether in Crimea or Donbass, or any other part of Ukraine.
That is what you truly believe?
No Ukrainian does.

<skipped>

(Soviet Ukrainians soldiers also among them), not for their
ancestors.

Justs rememeber how many Ukranian died in 30s when Stalin and his
colleagues took all the food to sell to the west. USSR was a
nightmare to live in. And it brought that nightmare all around.

Soviet soldiers fallen in the WW2 are not connected with it. I hope you will not connect Catholic Church and inquisition killings.

The Catholic Church did not kill anybody during the inquisition.
Nor did it burn anybody at the stake.

The will do anything to keep their power. It's well known how
Russian stated payed to neo-nazis in Europe and invited them to
Saint Petersburg. At the same time talking about danger of the
Fascism.

I know that many people have different opinions who should be
called a Nazi or a fascist. But in Russian there is no question
about it.

Only if you are pro-putin's far-right supporter. In Russia we have
many opinions, just most of the people cannot say them publicly
because they will be punished. I am also Russian and most of my
friends would same that you are just repeating low-level
propaganda.

During the war the situation in Ukraine and Russia is similar - all the opinions against the official doctrine are punishable. Don't pretend you don't know it.

What is the "official doctrine" of Putin?
To take over Ukraine, and make it part of his New Russian Empire?
What is "official doctrine" of Zelenskyy?
To take over Russia, and make it part of his New Ukrainian Empire?

I do find both approaches to be a bit of a stretch ...

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Alexander,

Nobody went to Kiev in 2014. The people of Kiev wanted, and got
change.

You know little -- numerous groups of nationalistic militants
(they form now Azov nationalistic units) had been carried in Kiev
from western Ukraine. They were the main force of the coup.

Azov nationalistic units? That is just a lie.

You believe only Ukrainian propaganda, I know. ;-)

The real question is "What do the people want?" Clearly, the people
were not happy with the current situation and wanted change. Which is
what they got.

Putin didn't like it, so he took Crimea and has vowed to continue
his "special military operation" until all his objectives have been
met.

Which means he is forever stuck in quicksand and can never get out
until he is completely sunk.

But believing in black-and-white world is a sign of narrow-mindedness. Both
sides have a lie and the truth in their disposal.

A clockwork orange - as noted by Anthony Burgess.

Barack Obama ran on a platform of "hope and change." He won in a
landslide, serving two consecutive terms as POTUS. He would still
be president today had he not been term limited. That is a truth
his opponents might not like, but it is the clear and unvarnished
truth.

And when Russian media were totally banned from TV satellites it is profoundly bad.

Most likely due to a lack of subscribers ...

Unless you consider (as Borrel in EC)) that people in general are fools and
cannot tell what is a lie and you should act as a doctor for their brains.

"We are all fools, most of the time." ~Jean val-Jean, "Les Miserables"

But no western TV will show hospitals, kindergartens and houses bombed by Ukrainians fighter for democracy.

Only fools would believe such a thing.

The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for
democratic values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia.
That's why they desecrate the memorials of those who fought
Hitler.

The west does not hate Russia, they hate what Russian has done and
is doing.

It better to say this hate looks like a fear for a strong Russia.

Yeah, right. US President Joe Biden was quaking in his boots as he
visited Kyiv - a place Russian President Vladimir Putin could only
dream of going to.

The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and
democracy.

There is no such things in Ukraine after 2014, at least for eastern part and southern part of it. Nationalists had made democracy for themselves only.

All parts of Ukraine remain sovereign - to Vladimir Putin's disdain.

But they trampled those who were not agree with them. Democracy
had been trampled in the most impudent and outrageous way.

They trampled no one. They wanted and got change. They meant it.

You've got a stamp in your brain that everyone who is against Russia is fighting for democracy. In reality Ukrainians want to create a single nationality state as Israel has done -- a very poor example of democracy.

The state of Israel is a theocracy - for Jews only.
The state of Iran is a theocracy - for Muslims only.
The state of Russia is a theocracy - for Putinists only.

They were attacked by a fascist government in Russia and seem to
have the support of the Russian people, not entirely but a large
number of Russian people seem to think that "Putin must be right
to attack the people of Ukraine.

Of course they think so. There is a simple test for true
Russians -- if somebody desecrate the memory and memorials of the
fallen Soviet army soldiers they must be called a fucking Nazi. No
other propaganda from Putin's side is needed to persuade them in
the opposite view, and make them to have a smallest sympathy for
the Ukrainians (and other nations) who do such things.

They know so. This desecration of memorials of fallen soviet
soldiers is another lie. It has no basic in reality.

Again I have a feeling that you write from Mars. ;-)

Men are from Mars.
Women are from Venus.
Putinists are from somewhere else.

For Life,
Lee

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Azov nationalistic units? That is just a lie.

You believe only Ukrainian propaganda, I know. ;-)

No, I believe that is a lie because that is all it is. Believe it if you want.

But believing in black-and-white world is a sign of narrow-mindedness. Both sides have a lie and the truth in their disposal.

Sure, liars abound.

And when Russian media were totally banned from TV satellites it is profoundly bad.

Lies are bad, I agree. Russian media was never banned but who wants it? It's just lies and propaganda.

Unless you consider (as Borrel in EC)) that people in general are fools and cannot tell what is a lie and you should act as a doctor for their brains.

What!? ;)

But no western TV will show hospitals, kindergartens and houses bombed by Ukrainians fighter for democracy.

If that happened western TV would show it, but that hasn't happened. You should know by now that it is Russian forces bombing hospitals, kindergartens and houses, and so much more.

The west does not hate Russia, they hate what Russian has done and
is doing.

It better to say this hate looks like a fear for a strong Russia.

It would be silly to say such a thing.

The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and
democracy.

There is no such things in Ukraine after 2014, at least for eastern part
and southern part of it. Nationalists had made democracy for themselves
only.

There is no such thing in Ukraine because Russia has invaded their country and attackes them every day.

But they trampled those who were not agree with them. Democracy
had been trampled in the most impudent and outrageous way.

They trampled no one. They wanted and got change. They meant it.

You've got a stamp in your brain that everyone who is against Russia is fighting for democracy. In reality Ukrainians want to create a single nationality state as Israel has done -- a very poor example of democracy.

Russia doesn't come into the thinking of western people as you seem to think.

They know so. This desecration of memorials of fallen soviet
soldiers is another lie. It has no basic in reality.

Again I have a feeling that you write from Mars. ;-)

I write from a small town in western BC.

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Hello Alan Ianson!

** On Wednesday 22.02.23 - 02:22, Alan Ianson wrote to alexander koryagin:

You've got a stamp in your brain that everyone who is
against Russia is fighting for democracy. In reality
Ukrainians want to create a single nationality state as
Israel has done -- a very poor example of democracy.

Russia doesn't come into the thinking of western people as
you seem to think.

P's latest speech to the nation painted "the west" as a corrupt
society. So.. that is what his people ARE thinking. That's the
official message that they get.

It is interesting that P doesn't mention the corruption and
heavy-handedness of his own regime on Ru's people.


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Russia doesn't come into the thinking of western people as
you seem to think.

P's latest speech to the nation painted "the west" as a corrupt
society. So.. that is what his people ARE thinking. That's the
official message that they get.

Has P been making more speeches? ;)

I'll have to go look and see what he has to say.

It is interesting that P doesn't mention the corruption and
heavy-handedness of his own regime on Ru's people.

It's hard to watch/believe.

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Hello alexander koryagin!

It better to say this hate looks like a fear for a strong Russia.

Define strong. Do you just think in terms of military power?

What's so great about living in Russia?

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August,

It better to say this hate looks like a fear for a strong Russia.

Define strong. Do you just think in terms of military power?

What's so great about living in Russia?

Free vacations for everyone ... just say the word ... even just a white sheet of paper is enough. Or say that you are against war. Transport, accomodation, clothing and food provided by the government at no extra cost..

True, it's not really a war, it's a special military operation. Don't ask me what it is so special about it, I'm guessing the way it sucks?

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Re: Re: Human Wave Attacks
By: Ward Dossche to August Abolins on Wed Feb 22 2023 03:57 pm

True, it's not really a war, it's a special military operation. Don't ask me what it is so special about it, I'm guessing the way it sucks?

I thought this was all a response to Western aggression?
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