On 01-02-23 18:44, Alexander Koryagin <=-
spoke to Martin Kukac about Ukrainian Blitzkrieg expl <=-

You don't know what are you speaking about. Waiting is better that hundreds of thousand of deaths inevitable if fight with such vast
enemy as Russia now and in future. And, besides, the war could be
avoided at all -- Russia's demanded before war consisted of demanding reasonable concessions towards Russian minority in Ukraine.

Your problem (and Putin's) is they were not Russian, they were Russian
speaking Ukranians. Russia had no business interfering with internal
Ukranian affairs on any pretext.

Dale Shipp
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Hi, Dale Shipp!
I read your message from 03.01.2023 00:39

AK>> You don't know what are you speaking about. Waiting is
AK>> better that hundreds of thousand of deaths inevitable if
AK>> fight with such vast enemy as Russia now and in future.
AK>> And, besides, the war could be avoided at all -- Russia's
AK>> demands before war consisted of demanding reasonable
AK>> concessions towards Russian minority in Ukraine.
DS> Your problem (and Putin's) is they were not Russian, they were
DS> Russian speaking Ukranians. Russia had no business interfering
DS> with internal Ukranian affairs on any pretext.

For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who are
oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an interference which is
being continued even now? What did the US did with Noriega in Panama
when he started to behave independently?

Bye, Dale!
Alexander Koryagin
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For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who are
oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an interference which is
being continued even now? What did the US did with Noriega in Panama
when he started to behave independently?

How would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

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Hello Alexander,

[..]

Your problem (and Putin's) is they were not Russian, they were
Russian speaking Ukranians. Russia had no business interfering
with internal Ukranian affairs on any pretext.

For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who are
oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an interference which is
being continued even now?

President Trump withdrew US soldiers from Syria, allowing Russia
to step in and take care of ISIS (and other terrorists). Not sure
if Russia ever left. But terrorists are still around. As well as
Assad.

What did the US did with Noriega in Panama when he started to behave independently?

Soldiers played heavy metal music very loudly outside the church
where Noriega was praying. And then the priest asked Noriega to go
outside and tell the soldiers to turn down the volume. We all know
what happened next.

The US sent Noriega to France.
And then, after a few years, France returned Noriega to Panama.

For Life,
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On 01-04-23 12:00, Alexander Koryagin <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Ukrainian Blitzkrieg <=-

You don't know what are you speaking about. Waiting is
better that hundreds of thousand of deaths inevitable if
fight with such vast enemy as Russia now and in future.
And, besides, the war could be avoided at all -- Russia's
demands before war consisted of demanding reasonable
concessions towards Russian minority in Ukraine.

Your problem (and Putin's) is they were not Russian, they were
Russian speaking Ukranians. Russia had no business interfering
with internal Ukranian affairs on any pretext.

For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who are
oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an interference which is being continued even now? What did the US did with Noriega in Panama
when he started to behave independently?

When someone has no answer in a debate with respect to a question raised
and then resorts to a "what about" response -- THEY LOSE.

In other words, respond to the topic -- don't try to change the subject.

Dale Shipp
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 04.01.2023 21:32

DS>>> Your problem (and Putin's) is they were not Russian,
DS>>> they were Russian speaking Ukranians. Russia had no
DS>>> business interfering with internal Ukranian affairs on
DS>>> any pretext.
ak>> For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who
ak>> are oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an
ak>> interference which is being continued even now?
LL> President Trump withdrew US soldiers from Syria, allowing Russia
LL> ??to step in and take care of ISIS (and other terrorists). Not
LL> sure if Russia ever left. But terrorists are still around. As
LL> well as Assad.

Probably the recent news about shelling an American base in Syria was inaccurate. ;-)

Bye, Lee!
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Hi, Dale Shipp!
I read your message from 05.01.2023 00:25

AK>> For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who
AK>> are oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an
AK>> interference which is being continued even now? What did
AK>> the US did with Noriega in Panama when he started to behave
AK>> independently?
DS> When someone has no answer in a debate with respect to a
DS> question raised and then resorts to a "what about" response --
DS> THEY LOSE. In other words, respond to the topic -- don't try to
DS> change the subject.

Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia fights with NATO which use Ukraine like a puppet at the fair puppet theater, putting his hairy hand
into Ukraine's ... from behind. ;-)

Bye, Dale!
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Hello, alexander!

Friday January 06 2023 11:48, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

Probably the recent news about shelling an American base in Syria was inaccurate. ;-)

Compare it with shelling of Russian base in Makeevka and smile again ;)

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 04.01.2023 12:18

ak>> For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who are
ak>> oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an interference which
ak>> is being continued even now? What did the US did with Noriega in
ak>> Panama when he started to behave independently?

AI> How would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

The ties Russia and Syria roots from the time of the USSR. Syria was
always an Russia's ally. The US had provoked a civil war in Syria and in
this war 600 thousand people were killed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

As a Chinese saying tells -- never provoke a war if you are not sure you
can win it.

Bye, Alan!
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How would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

The ties Russia and Syria roots from the time of the USSR. Syria was
always an Russia's ally.

Sure, but how would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

The US had provoked a civil war in Syria and in
this war 600 thousand people were killed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

This is what happens in war and that is why we should avoid it.

As a Chinese saying tells -- never provoke a war if you are not sure you
can win it.

Yes, read that a couple of times.

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Hello, alexander!

Friday January 06 2023 11:59, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia fights with NATO which

But NATO is not fighting with Russia :)

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Friday January 06 2023 12:18, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

How would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

The ties Russia and Syria roots from the time of the USSR. Syria was always an Russia's ally. The US had provoked a civil war in Syria and

Not always.

in this war 600 thousand people were killed.

USA had nothing to do with civil wat in Syria.

I visited Syria 4 times before this was and I saw it coming, for sure. When old Assad died it was a matter of time before the total collapse.
Cedar revolution in Lebanon where they sent away Syrian occupation forces was the first event which shown how weak Assad's regime is.



Best regards,
dp.

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Hello Dale,

[..]

Your problem (and Putin's) is they were not Russian, they were
Russian speaking Ukranians. Russia had no business interfering
with internal Ukranian affairs on any pretext.

For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who are
oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an interference which is
being continued even now? What did the US did with Noriega in Panama
when he started to behave independently?

When someone has no answer in a debate with respect to a question raised and then resorts to a "what about" response -- THEY LOSE.

The proper question should have been "the Trump administration
withdrew US troops from Syria ..."

In other words, respond to the topic -- don't try to change the subject.

The Obama administration sent US troops to Syria.
The Trump administration withdrew US troops from Syria.
The Obama administration imposed sanctions on Russia.
The Trump administration wanted to lift sanctions on Russia.
I do see a pattern. Don't you?

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As a Chinese saying tells -- never provoke a war if you are not sure you can win it.

Read this again ... then think ... think hard.

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Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia fights with NATO which use Ukraine like a puppet at the fair puppet theater, putting his hairy hand into Ukraine's ... from behind. ;-)

If Russian forces had been fighting NATO forces, this war would have been over a long time ago.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 06.01.2023 12:59

ak>> Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia fights with
ak>> NATO which
DP> But NATO is not fighting with Russia :)

NATO uses Ukraininans as war robots. They are too smart to fight Russia themsleves. ;-)

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 06.01.2023 13:00

AI>>> How would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

ak>> The ties Russia and Syria root from the time of the USSR. Syria
ak>> was always an Russia's ally.

AI> Sure, but how would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?


They are mainly peacekeepers. The main question in Syria who is called "terrorists".

ak>> The US had provoked a civil war in Syria and in this war 600
ak>> thousand people were killed.
ak>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

AI> This is what happens in war and that is why we should avoid it.

ak>> As a Chinese saying tells -- never provoke a war if you are not
ak>> sure you can win it.

AI> Yes, read that a couple of times.

There is no doubt who instigated the civil war in Syria -- the US. Maybe Asssad rigged the elections, but it was not an excuse for a civil war.
The US wanted an uprising and it managed to get it. The same policy the
US had conducted in Ukraine when they instigate the mutiny against
Ukrainian elected president. The US officials even visited the
barricades in Kiev in 2014.

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 06.01.2023 23:40

ak>> As a Chinese saying tells -- never provoke a war if you are
ak>> not sure you can win it.
WD> Read this again ... then think ... think hard.

Some dreamy persons count the Ukraine conflict from the Russia's
entering in Crimea. But if are able to think hard, you start the
conflict from the coup in Kiev when the will of the half of Ukraine had
been tramped in the most impudent way. Exactly this, the US propped
event, had provoked all further events, the Crimea referendum including.

Bye, Ward!
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 06.01.2023 23:52

ak>> Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia fights with
ak>> NATO which use Ukraine like a puppet at the fair puppet
ak>> theater, putting his hairy hand into Ukraine's ... from
ak>> behind. ;-)
WD> If Russian forces had been fighting NATO forces, this war would
WD> have been over a long time ago.

In this case Putin would probably A-bombed a couple western capitals,
knowing well that it would be a good lesson and nobody will start a
total nuclear war for complete Earth destruction. Rich people in the
West want live very much, and in healthy environment. ;)

Bye, Ward!
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Hello, alexander!

Monday January 09 2023 09:30, you wrote to me:

But NATO is not fighting with Russia :)

NATO uses Ukraininans as war robots. They are too smart to fight

You are just dehumanizing Ukrainans, the same way as putin's propaganda is doing. That's looks very lame.
They are real humans, dying for their country while you too weak to go and fight in Makeevka ;)


Best regards,
dp.

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Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia fights with
NATO which

But NATO is not fighting with Russia :)

NATO uses Ukraininans as war robots. They are too smart to fight Russia themsleves. ;-)

NATO is not involved in this war.

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Sure, but how would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

They are mainly peacekeepers. The main question in Syria who is called "terrorists".

Peacekeepers? Hardly. Peacekeepers don't drop barrel bombs on civillians.

The US had provoked a civil war in Syria and in this war 600
thousand people were killed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

The US has nothing to do with war in Syria. I don't know what Russia thinks they are doing or will do there.

This is what happens in war and that is why we should avoid it.

There is no doubt who instigated the civil war in Syria -- the US. Maybe Asssad rigged the elections, but it was not an excuse for a civil war.
The US wanted an uprising and it managed to get it. The same policy the
US had conducted in Ukraine when they instigate the mutiny against
Ukrainian elected president. The US officials even visited the
barricades in Kiev in 2014.

The war in Syria has nothing to do with the US. Possibly the despot in power.

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 09.01.2023 20:36

??>>>>> Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia
??>>>>> fights with
??>>>> NATO which
??>>> But NATO is not fighting with Russia :)
ak>> NATO uses Ukraininans as war robots. They are too smart to
ak>> fight Russia themsleves. ;-)
AI> NATO is not involved in this war.

Yeah, it is a remote control war.

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello alexander,

Yeah, it is a remote control war.

No. It's a war that Russia started.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alexander,

If Russian forces had been fighting NATO forces, this war would
have been over a long time ago.

In this case Putin would probably A-bombed a couple western capitals, knowing well that it would be a good lesson and nobody will start a
total nuclear war for complete Earth destruction. Rich people in the
West want live very much, and in healthy environment. ;)

Japan had an Emperor who was worshipped as a living god.
Not even the atomizing of Japanese cities would have stopped
the Japanese people from worshipping him.

The Japanese high command had offered to surrender a full month
prior to the atomizing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So why did Harry
Truman refuse their surrender, knowing the Empire of Japan was
already defeated?

Towards the end of WWII, Russian forces had landed in northern
Japan. This was all in due accordance with the plans laid out by
FDR, Churchill, and Stalin. It was only a matter of time before
all of the Japans would have been occupied by Allied forces.
Without the need for the use of atomic bombs.

Truman insisted on one thing before any surrender would be
accepted. He wanted Emperor Hirohito to relinquish his claim
of being a living god. Having the Japanese military surrender
was not enough. It had to be Hirohito claiming not be divine.

After Hiroshima and Nagasaki were atomized, Hirohito gave in
to Truman's demand. And no more atomic bombs fell on Japanese
cities.

Hirohito then remarked it was a mistake for him renounce his
claim of being a living god. His son went on to become Emperor,
and never had to relinquish his own claim of being a living god.
And the current Emperor has never had to relinquish his claim
of being a living god.

Japanese take this stuff seriously. If the Emperor tells the
Japanese people to do something, they do it. Without question.

For Life,
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After Hiroshima and Nagasaki were atomized, Hirohito gave in
to Truman's demand. And no more atomic bombs fell on Japanese
cities.

One of the reasons for that was only three bombs had been made and all were expended in a test and two droppings. No more ready available fission-material.

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Hello Ward,

After Hiroshima and Nagasaki were atomized, Hirohito gave in
to Truman's demand. And no more atomic bombs fell on Japanese
cities.

One of the reasons for that was only three bombs had been made and all were
expended in a test and two droppings. No more ready available fission-material.

Is that why Comrade Joe halted the USSR's invasion of Japan?
And why Russia to this day refuses to leave the Kiril Islands?

No wonder no peace treaty was ever signed beteen those two powers.

What was the *real* reason as to why 'Give Em Hell' Harry Truman
atomized Japanese cities? Was it that he simply hated gooks? Or was
it more of a warning to Russia as to who wss next?

For Life,
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