Hello Everybody,

Mel Brooks had it right so many years ago.
It really is "Springtime for Hitler" ... only
in Sweden rather than in Germany or the USA.

Ulf Kristersson: Swedish parliament elects new PM backed by far right

Source: BBC

PM Ulf Kristersson's Moderates will form a centre-right coalition with
the Christian Democrats and the Liberals.

But it will govern with support from the Sweden Democrats (SD), who won
a fifth of votes in recent polls.

Tougher immigration policies and greater police powers are part of a
policy deal with the SD.

....

The SD was founded by Nazi sympathisers and had been shunned by the
mainstream for decades.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63289903

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Ulf Kristersson: Swedish parliament elects new PM backed by far right

So what's wrong with that?

Would it be so much more fun if it were backed by the far left?.

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But it will govern with support from the Sweden Democrats (SD), who won
a fifth of votes in recent polls.

No worries, Lee. This is not the USA, a party with just one fifth of the seats in the parliament can never get any laws of their own passed against the will of the rest of the house.

It's time you start worrying about what will happen if the MAGA idiots over there will gain seats in *your* parliaments -- federal, but more importantly state. It's just two weeks left now...


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Hello Ward,

Ulf Kristersson: Swedish parliament elects new PM backed by far right

So what's wrong with that?

The New Nazis are IN, and are now being noticed by all -

"Sweden in the north, Italy in the south: Left-wing governments
are so yesterday."
~ Beatrix von Storch tweet (leading member of the Alternative
for Germany party)

Would it be so much more fun if it were backed by the far left?.

Red Brigades in Italy would love it.

For Life,
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Hello Bj�rn,

But it will govern with support from the Sweden Democrats (SD), who won
a fifth of votes in recent polls.

No worries, Lee. This is not the USA, a party with just one fifth of the
seats in the parliament can never get any laws of their own passed against the will of the rest of the house.

That is only the beginning. With time, that small minority will
become a huge majority. A majority that can never be stopped ...

It's time you start worrying about what will happen if the MAGA idiots over there will gain seats in *your* parliaments -- federal, but more importantly state. It's just two weeks left now...

Worry? Me, worry?

Oh, at the state level I still have one year of freedom left. The
MAGA idiots have two/thirds majority control both houses of the state legislature at present, but not the governor's mansion. That changes
next year as their only opposition leaves due to term limits.

For Life,
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That is only the beginning. With time, that small minority will
become a huge majority. A majority that can never be stopped ...

Fear not, we still remember Nazi Germany -- after all we were close neighbours. And if that should be forgotten, we now have Putin and his Ruscists to remind us.


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Bj�rn Felten wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

That is only the beginning. With time, that small minority will
become a huge majority. A majority that can never be stopped ...

Fear not, we still remember Nazi Germany -- after all we were
close neighbours. And if that should be forgotten, we now have
Putin and his Ruscists to remind us.

Well, you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
if it wasn't for the USA. At least you got to keep your
commie-tendencies. It is a little strange as to how/why you hate the
USA so much, since you owe them so much.

But that's OK. We don't care about you, either.



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you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
if it wasn't for the USA.

And you, dear Sir, probably don't even know that it was *not* the US military that saved the world, it was the US women, that kept the production of war materiel up until the very end.

And now you MAGA idiots are doing your best to thank your women by first taking away their right to their own bodies, and with your America First movement even take away their right to vote.

How civilized of you. Without the German scientists you'd be speaking Japanese right now.


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On 19 Oct 22 15:32:09, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Dan Clough:

And now you MAGA idiots are doing your best to thank your women by first taking away their right to their own bodies, and with your America First movement even take away their right to vote.

Googling Sweden's rape statistics returns many pages of results. Whether its a problem or not its still a hotbed topic. Therefore Sweden has a rape problem.

Before you hit the Reply key, remember how often you used and advocated for this asenine logic many dozens of times here since 9/11 to push your agenda.

You are in no position to lecture anyone on women or anything beyond Abba.

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Googling Sweden's rape statistics returns many pages of results. Whether its a problem or not its still a hotbed topic. Therefore Sweden has a
rape problem.

Swedish women are probably the most emancipated and self-conscious in the world. To have sex over there, and not to get into trouble unintentionally, it's best to have a written contract.

Because of their self-confidence and their assertiveness you just don't mess with Swedish women or you might find yourself in the wrong bench during criminal court proceedings.

Because of my years long international work I've encountered several Swedish women and you simply don't mess with them.

Widely differing legal systems, offence definitions, terminological variations, recording practices and statistical conventions makes any cross-national comparison on rape statistics difficult if not impossible.

You are in no position to lecture anyone on women or anything beyond
Abba.

You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a Nazi, right?

Russia has now banned ABBA-music.

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Hi Dan,

Well, you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
if it wasn't for the USA. At least you got to keep your
commie-tendencies. It is a little strange as to how/why you hate the
USA so much, since you owe them so much.

Not again ... it's amazing what a small part is reserved for history in your high-school system.

In the European theater the war had already been decided by the Battle of Britain which ended October 31st 1940. At that moment no further advances occured in the west and it was going to be another 14 months before Pearl Harbor happened.

At that point the Battle of the Atlantic also already had ended with Nazi Germany losing about half of its capital ships fleet early in the war (Graf Spe, Blucher, Bismarck) with Gneisenau out of commission for good.

In the east there was the Battle of Stalingrad which was the decisive battle in WW2, not Operation Overlord. Without Stalingrad Operation Overlord would not have happened because Nazi Germany was forced to withdraw troops from the west sending them to the east thereby weakening coastal defences.

Germany after Stalingrad was on a one-way trip to defeat ... something the USSR never was given enough credit for by Hollywood. The US's entry into the war just made it a different kind of defeat.

Plus there was Alan Turing ...

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Bj�rn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
if it wasn't for the USA.

And you, dear Sir, probably don't even know that it was *not*
the US military that saved the world, it was the US women, that
kept the production of war materiel up until the very end.

Your first wrong assumption. I know very well the role that US women
played in the war. Not even sure why you would think I wouldn't know
that. But I guess you're really that stupid.

And now you MAGA idiots are doing your best to thank your
women by first taking away their right to their own bodies, and
with your America First movement even take away their right to
vote.

Second wrong assumption that I'm a "MAGA idiot". What made you think
such a thing? Your second two statements are also wrong, especially
that last one. You really had to reach up deep into your ass to pull
that one out.

How civilized of you. Without the German scientists you'd be
speaking Japanese right now.

Oh, yes, I realize the contribution that German scientists (who came to
the US by their own choice) made to the US war efforts. Yet another
stupid assumption by you. It's the only thing you're good at. You're
also wrong about the "speaking Japanese" thing, which shows your utter
lack of knowledge about the subject. The only thing the two A-bombs did
was hasten the end of the war (and save many lives), as it was just a
matter of time until we overran Japan. We were very close to doing just
that when the bombs were dropped.

Go back and study up on things a little; your lack of education is
glaringly bright.


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Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Well, you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
if it wasn't for the USA. At least you got to keep your commie-tendencies. It is a little strange as to how/why you hate the
USA so much, since you owe them so much.

Not again ... it's amazing what a small part is reserved for
history in your high-school system.

<SNIP bullshit>

I can assure you that I'm educated far beyond the "high-school system". You're as bad as your pal Beeeorn at making stupid assumptions.

I see that your Euro-commie brain-washing is very similar to the US
Leftists tendencies/attempts to re-write history by making stupid,
false, ignorant statements. Sorry, not gonna work. I won't even quote/respond to such bullshit.



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On 19 Oct 22 16:47:00, Dan Clough said the following to Ward Dossche:

I can assure you that I'm educated far beyond the "high-school system". You're as bad as your pal Beeeorn at making stupid assumptions.

I feel that we will soon all be reminded of the imperfections of the American education system, the judicial system, healthcare and how 9/11 was deserved. Give it a few more replies in, its bound to happen.

There was a time here when America sucked because of "sitcom canned laughter".

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On 19 Oct 22 21:06:09, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a Nazi, right?

The blonde? Yeah I figured she'd be into "German things" in the sack.

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I see that your Euro-commie brain-washing is very similar to the US Leftists tendencies/attempts to re-write history by making stupid,
false, ignorant statements. Sorry, not gonna work. I won't even quote/respond to such bullshit.

Actually, what I mentioned is accepted by history scholars as perfectly correct.

It cannot be denied that the Battle of Britain had already been concluded 14 months prior to Pearl Harbour, that the Battle for Stalingrad was the major turning point for the front in eastern Europe and that the troops of Nazi Germany were already running in a general westernly direction. Just as it cannot be denied that the Kriegsmarine had already been reduced to less than half its combat readyness by unfortunate events during the first operational sorties of Graf Spe, Bismarck and Blucher.

See ... I can write full sentences, make a point, not just one-liners and still not insult someone...

Take care,

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You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a NA>WD> Nazi, right?

The blonde? Yeah I figured she'd be into "German things" in the sack.

Nope ... the other one ...

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On 20 Oct 22 00:56:50, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a NA>WD> Nazi, right?

The blonde? Yeah I figured she'd be into "German things" in the sack.

Nope ... the other one ...

Ewwwwww... more foulness on her ass than a Swedish bicycle seat.

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Nope ... the other one ...

Ewwwwww... more foulness on her ass than a Swedish bicycle seat.

When they start moving it's like poetry for the eyes ...

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Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

On 19 Oct 22 16:47:00, Dan Clough said the following to Ward
Dossche:

I can assure you that I'm educated far beyond the "high-school system". You're as bad as your pal Beeeorn at making stupid assumptions.

I feel that we will soon all be reminded of the imperfections of
the American education system, the judicial system, healthcare
and how 9/11 was deserved. Give it a few more replies in, its
bound to happen.

Yes, no doubt. What I see changing is that I have more and more
difficulty predicting whether it will come from Beeeorn or Ward.

There was a time here when America sucked because of "sitcom
canned laughter".

Well, when your only goal is to find some kind of fault with America,
that's as good a reason as any.



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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 19.10.22 23:19:

Hi Dan,

Well, you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now if it wasn't for the
USA. At least you got to keep your commie-tendencies. It is a little strange as to how/why
you hate the USA so much, since you owe them so much.

Not again ... it's amazing what a small part is reserved for history in your high-school
system. In the European theater the war had already been decided by the Battle of Britain
which ended October 31st 1940. At that moment no further advances occured in the west and it
was going to be another 14 months before Pearl Harbor happened. At that point the Battle of
the Atlantic also already had ended with Nazi Germany losing about half of its capital ships
fleet early in the war (Graf Spe, Blucher, Bismarck) with Gneisenau out of commission for
good. In the east there was the Battle of Stalingrad which was the decisive battle in WW2, not
Operation Overlord. Without Stalingrad Operation Overlord would not have happened because Nazi
Germany was forced to withdraw troops from the west sending them to the east thereby weakening
coastal defences. Germany after Stalingrad was on a one-way trip to defeat ... something the
USSR never was given enough credit for by Hollywood. The US's entry into the war just made it
a different kind of defeat.

Germans should especially "love" the USA. For the massive bombing of Western cities, in which there were practically no military - exclusively civilians. Ah, Dresden... There was great destruction and casualties only in Hiroshima...

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 19.10.22 21:06:

Googling Sweden's rape statistics returns many pages of results. Whether its a problem or not
its still a hotbed topic. Therefore Sweden has a rape problem.

Swedish women are probably the most emancipated and self-conscious in the world. To have sex
over there, and not to get into trouble unintentionally, it's best to have a written contract.
Because of their self-confidence and their assertiveness you just don't mess with Swedish
women or you might find yourself in the wrong bench during criminal court proceedings. Because
of my years long international work I've encountered several Swedish women and you simply
don't mess with them. Widely differing legal systems, offence definitions, terminological
variations, recording practices and statistical conventions makes any cross-national
comparison on rape statistics difficult if not impossible.

You are in no position to lecture anyone on women or anything beyond Abba.

You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a Nazi, right? Russia has
now banned ABBA-music.

And how is this, excuse me? Today I only listened to it on the radio in the car.
It was easier to ban it under the USSR, but officially albums were released.

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You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a
Nazi, right?

German yes, but Nazi...? Doubtful.

Her full name is Princess Anni-Frid Synni of Reuss, Countess of Plauen, and noblemen were usually not real Nazis.


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Hello Dan,

On Wednesday October 19 2022 07:46, you wrote to Bj�rn Felten:

Well, you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
if it wasn't for the USA.

I /DO/ speak German. If you stopped anything regarding me speaking German - which is doubtfull - it was me learning it the easy way: from my mother. Now I had to learn it the hard way; in school. Learning German in school is very difficult with all these cases and inflections. I never really got it. Thanks to you...


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Well, you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
if it wasn't for the USA.

MvdV> I /DO/ speak German.

So do I, and many from my generation in Sweden. I could even say that German is my native tongue (I spoke German my first five years).

In the Technical University where I studied, most of our textbooks were in German, since German science was still world leading by then.

And, as you pointed out, if it wasn't for the US influence, we would probably be a German speaking people here in Sweden.

Not that I regret that we now are almost 100% English speaking, mind you. I'm all in favour of universal standards. Including metric systems of course. The basis of human progress...


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MvdV> I /DO/ speak German.

So do I ...

Me too...

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Hello Bj�rn,

On Thursday October 20 2022 12:17, you wrote to me:

And, as you pointed out, if it wasn't for the US influence, we
would probably be a German speaking people here in Sweden.

About The Netherlands... I do not know if German would have been my native Language if Germany had won WWII. I doubt it, forcing a language on people is not all that easy.

Not that I regret that we now are almost 100% English speaking,
mind you. I'm all in favour of universal standards. Including metric systems of course. The basis of human progress...

My point is that for me language is a tool. Just like the metric system is a tool for measurements, language is a tool for communication. It so happens that my native language is understood by a mere 1% of all the people on our planet and actively used by just 0,5%. I consider that a handicap. I would have been better off with a more wide spread native language. German would have been better than Dutch. So to those who claim they prevented German from being my native language I say: Your claim is false, but if it were not, you did not do me a favour.


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Hello Ward,

Googling Sweden's rape statistics returns many pages of results. Whether
its a problem or not its still a hotbed topic. Therefore Sweden has a
rape problem.

Swedish women are probably the most emancipated and self-conscious in the world. To have sex over there, and not to get into trouble unintentionally,
it's best to have a written contract.

Gee, I never knew that. What if one gets involved in a threesome?
Or an orgy?

Because of their self-confidence and their assertiveness you just don't mess
with Swedish women or you might find yourself in the wrong bench during criminal court proceedings.

I never knew sex was a crime in Sweden. Best to have sex with Swedes
in America, the land of the free and home of the brave?

Because of my years long international work I've encountered several Swedish
women and you simply don't mess with them.

I had lots of fun with two Swedish gals and a Dutch gal who shared
an apartment when I was in college ...

Widely differing legal systems, offence definitions, terminological variations, recording practices and statistical conventions makes any cross-national comparison on rape statistics difficult if not impossible.

You'd be surprised at what some gals will do on camera ... especially
when armed with a dildo.

You are in no position to lecture anyone on women or anything beyond
Abba.

You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a Nazi, right?

That is what makes her the alternative for Germany.

Russia has now banned ABBA-music.

Now we know what the Z is for.

For Life,
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I never knew sex was a crime in Sweden.

This was about rape. I know that in most countries a "no" from a woman really means "yes please". But not in Sweden. Try to rape a Swedish girl and all hell will come down upon you. Our phones are open 24/7 if you want to report a violation of our girl's freedom to choose with whom they have intercourse with.

That is the single most important reason why *reported* rapes are as high as it is in Sweden. BOC, men with erectile problems will never want to hear anything about it. "A fuck is a fuck, leave it with that."


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���ண� �६�窠, Michiel van der Vlist.
�� ��ᠫ� 20.10.22 12:40:

And, as you pointed out, if it wasn't for the US influence, we
would probably be a German speaking people here in Sweden.

About The Netherlands... I do not know if German would have been my native Language if Germany
had won WWII. I doubt it, forcing a language on people is not all that easy.

Not that I regret that we now are almost 100% English speaking,
mind you. I'm all in favour of universal standards. Including metric systems of course. The
basis of human progress...

My point is that for me language is a tool. Just like the metric system is a tool for
measurements, language is a tool for communication. It so happens that my native language is
understood by a mere 1% of all the people on our planet and actively used by just 0,5%. I
consider that a handicap. I would have been better off with a more wide spread native
language. German would have been better than Dutch. So to those who claim they prevented
German from being my native language I say: Your claim is false, but if it were not, you did
not do me a favour.

Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral exams in Ukrainian. Selective obscenities in three floors - that's what we all heard from him for the requirements of a higher educational institution to take exams exclusively in Ukrainian. At the same time, half of all words related to special scientific terms are just Russian words, the Ukrainians did not manage to translate them into their distorted pig language ;)

Here is an example of discrimination at the state level on the basis of language in Ukraine.

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Hello, Oleg!

Friday October 21 2022 09:38, you wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral
exams in Ukrainian. Selective obscenities in three floors - that's

All exams in Russia are in Russian. Although we have multiple nationalities.

just Russian words, the Ukrainians did not manage to translate them
into their distorted pig language ;)

"Pig language" - is another example of nazi rhetoric which is very common in Russia these days :(


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Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral
exams in Ukrainian.

If I go study in China my exams will be in the language spoken there as well ... how awful ... complete denial of culture and rights of Flanders, right?

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Hello Oleg,

On Friday October 21 2022 09:38, you wrote to me:

Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral
exams in Ukrainian.

Imagine? You mean that it is not reality but just a hypothetical situation?

OK, Imagine me moving to Russia. You'd have to imigine, because it is not a real situation, I will not move to Russia. But for the sake of argument... imagine... Now if I want to continue my hobby as a radio amateur and I want to pass the exam...

Could I take the exam in Dutch, my native langauage?

No need to elaborate, a simple "yes" or "no" will do.


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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 21.10.22 9:15:

Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral exams in Ukrainian.

If I go study in China my exams will be in the language spoken there as well ... how awful ...
complete denial of culture and rights of Flanders, right?

One inconsistency - this man did not go anywhere, he was born there and lived all his life. It's like if the Chinese come to you and force you to use only Chinese. And everything that reminds of Flanders will be destroyed in Flanders - history, monuments, ancestral graves, religion. If you don't like it, go to a place where there are no Chinese yet. I don't think you'll be too happy.

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���ண� �६�窠, Michiel van der Vlist.
�� ��ᠫ� 21.10.22 11:01:

Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral exams in Ukrainian.

Imagine? You mean that it is not reality but just a hypothetical situation?

It was a reality, from 2014 to 2022, on the territory of the former Ukraine. Now it is the territory of Russia.

OK, Imagine me moving to Russia. You'd have to imigine, because it is not a real situation, I
will not move to Russia. But for the sake of argument... imagine... Now if I want to continue
my hobby as a radio amateur and I want to pass the exam... Could I take the exam in Dutch, my
native langauage?

How else do you want to write the word "imagine"?
""Picture this" is more clear? Because you can't try it on your own skin, just try to imagine. No, not to come, but to be born, to live your whole life speaking Russian, and suddenly - blemishes, let's take the exam in another language!

No need to elaborate, a simple "yes" or "no" will do.

Not applicable. Because even a picture of this you are not able to do there in the West.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 21.10.2022 10:09

ON>> Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take
ON>> all oral exams in Ukrainian. Selective obscenities in three
ON>> floors - that's
DP> All exams in Russia are in Russian. Although we have multiple
DP> nationalities.

I said to you many times, but you stubbornly don't hear it -- the
quantity of people matters first. Nobody will make a movie theatre a
village with three people. But if tens of millions people speak their
native language only idiots could try to make them to refuse from it. In
these case the country _must_ be bilingual, as Ukraine had been until
the coup in 2014.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Friday October 21 2022 14:21, you wrote to me:

Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take
all oral exams in Ukrainian. Selective obscenities in three
floors - that's

All exams in Russia are in Russian. Although we have multiple
nationalities.

I said to you many times, but you stubbornly don't hear it -- the
quantity of people matters first. Nobody will make a movie theatre a

We have almost 100% of Chechen population in Chechnya and they still have exams in Russian.
On paper we are federation but reality - we have strict "Russian only policy".

village with three people. But if tens of millions people speak their native language only idiots could try to make them to refuse from it.
In these case the country _must_ be bilingual, as Ukraine had been
until the coup in 2014.

Ukraine was and is bilingual. You can use Russian anywhere (you never visited Ukraine, right?).
But state language is Ukranian.

It's like in China, where all exams are in Mandarin. Go and say to China that they are idiots.
And Mandarin is VERY different from southern languages.
Father of my colleage from the South cannot understand Mandarin almost completely, his local language (only the writing is the same) is more different to Mandarin than Russian to Ukraine.

Soviet Union had system of forced "Russifiction" when you had to know Russian and State's policy was very much like imperialism, with Moscow as center of eveything add Russian language as the language of elites.

I am in Azerbaijan now where they had Baku's population which almost completely switched to Russian and all other people who were still speaking Azeri.
After fall of Soviet Union country switched backed to Azeri. They still have Russian language schools but all state services are in Azeri.
For them it was a path from "Imperial province" to Independent state.

Nazaroff calls Ukranian here a "pig language". This is what I am talking about. Russian imperialism is bad thing for everyone, for Russians also.
The Russians now are killing Russians. People from Moscow rot on battelfields in Ukraine.

What's the purpose of this massacre?


Best regards,
dp.

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Dan Clough -> Bj�rn Felten skrev 2022-10-19 23:43:

Oh, yes, I realize the contribution that German scientists (who came to the US by their own choice) made to the US war efforts.

Oh, yes, those German scientists "technically" came by their own choice.

The two choices 1600 German scientists had between going with the secret US Operation Paperclip, without even the Allied leaders, or of course the US people, being informed anything about it, and, the other choice: going to N�rnberg, standing trial for all the war crimes they'd committed.



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Bj�rn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Dan Clough -> Bj�rn Felten skrev 2022-10-19 23:43:

Oh, yes, I realize the contribution that German scientists (who came to the US by their own choice) made to the US war efforts.

Oh, yes, those German scientists "technically" came by their
own choice.

The two choices 1600 German scientists had between going with
the secret US Operation Paperclip, without even the Allied
leaders, or of course the US people, being informed anything
about it, and, the other choice: going to N�rnberg, standing
trial for all the war crimes they'd committed.

Once again, you try to confuse the issue, and speak about apples vs
oranges... I'm not surprised.

Operation Paperclip was done *AFTER* the war (we were talking about WW2,
just in case you forgot). It's goal was to benefit the USA in regards
to the "cold war" with the USSR, and overall military/commercial
technical endeavors (such as the "space race").

Many other countries (especially the USSR) did exactly the same thing.
Only a handful (fewer than 5) of the Germans who came to the US were
ever accused/tried of any wartime crimes. I don't think ANY were ever convicted of anything.

My original comment above about the Germans helping the US's war efforts
was in regards to the development of the A-bombs used to end the war
with Japan, and you knew that perfectly well.

There. Your blatant attempt to exaggerate and lie is exposed for all to
see. You failed in your "smear attempt", as usual. <YAWN>


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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 21.10.2022 14:38

ON>>>> Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all
ON>>>> oral exams in Ukrainian. Selective obscenities in three floors -
ON>>>> that's
DP>>> All exams in Russia are in Russian. Although we have multiple
DP>>> nationalities.

ak>> I said to you many times, but you stubbornly don't hear it -- the
ak>> quantity of people matters first. Nobody will make a movie theatre

DP> We have almost 100% of Chechen population in Chechnya and they
DP> still have exams in Russian. On paper we are federation but
DP> reality - we have strict "Russian only policy".

I say to you again -- the quantity matters. In a small village all
people possibly wanted a movie theatre, but nowhere nobody will build it.

ak>> village with three people. But if tens of millions people speak
ak>> their native language only idiots could try to make them to refuse
ak>> from it. In these case the country _must_ be bilingual, as Ukraine
ak>> had been until the coup in 2014.

DP> Ukraine was and is bilingual. You can use Russian anywhere (you
DP> never visited Ukraine, right?). But state language is Ukranian.

Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs, business, culture, TV and so on. Especially it had to be true in Russian speaking
areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming to power.

DP> It's like in China, where all exams are in Mandarin. Go and say to
DP> China that they are idiots. And Mandarin is VERY different from
DP> southern languages. Father of my colleage from the South cannot
DP> understand Mandarin almost completely, his local language (only the
DP> writing is the same) is more different to Mandarin than Russian to
DP> Ukraine.

Historically things often happened undemocratically, but now when some
people try to remake millions of others, forcefully and not hearing them
-- it is called fascism. I have told the all why Ukrainian nationalists
are Nazi, but this is why they are fascists.

Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist things in
Russia.

<skipped>
DP> Nazaroff calls Ukranian here a "pig language". This is what I am
DP> talking about. Russian imperialism is bad thing for everyone, for
DP> Russians also. The Russians now are killing Russians. People from
DP> Moscow rot on battelfields in Ukraine.

As well as Ukrainians, who also cannot refuse from being mobilized by Zelensky. BTW what country are you now, so sure for not being mobilized?

DP> What's the purpose of this massacre?

Idiots have started it, there is only two purposes in this war -- to
make Ukrainians from Russians (a idiotic nationalistic point), and the
demand to leave Russians alone in Ukraine. The second one is much less
idiotic than the first.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Operation Paperclip was done *AFTER* the war (we were talking about WW2, just in case you forgot).

And *you* seem to forget that the war in Europe ended three months before that in the Pacific? Even two months before the first atomic bomb (Trinity) first proved to work? And how many months before May 1945 do you think German scientists started moving west?

Most of all, you perfectly well demonstrate what a shallow take on history you are getting. You are in dire need of studying up on German as well as Japanese nuclear development during WWII. Like e.g. something about the leading figure in the Japanese atomic program, Dr. Yoshio Nishina, a close associate of Niels Bohr and a contemporary of Albert Einstein.

No, sir, I think we can all be thankful that the Germans as well as the Japanese ran out of fuel, troops and other supplies just in the nick of time. BOC, you will never want to hear anything about *that*, right...?


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Hello, alexander!

Monday October 24 2022 14:19, you wrote to me:

We have almost 100% of Chechen population in Chechnya and they
still have exams in Russian. On paper we are federation but
reality - we have strict "Russian only policy".

I say to you again -- the quantity matters. In a small village all
people possibly wanted a movie theatre, but nowhere nobody will build
it.

But do you think that Chechens cannot use Chechen language in schools?
Why?

Ukraine was and is bilingual. You can use Russian anywhere (you
never visited Ukraine, right?). But state language is Ukranian.

Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs,

No, bilingual is when most ot the people speak multiple languages.
Like you can use English in Sweden. Or in Denmark.
I had no problem with English in Denmark but their offical language is Danish.

Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming to power.

But Ukaraine is still bilingual. Right now, in 2022.

Historically things often happened undemocratically, but now when some
people try to remake millions of others, forcefully and not hearing
them -- it is called fascism. I have told the all why Ukrainian

It's a stupid word - "fascism". In Russian it means "fuck you very much". It has no real meaning because it was destroyed by propaganda.

nationalists are Nazi, but this is why they are fascists.

But you arguments were nonsense because you are just

Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist things in
Russia.

He is doing much worse.
Ukranian children from occupied territories were sent to new families in Russia, without finding or asking their parents.
It's another way of Russification of Ukraine.

Nazaroff calls Ukranian here a "pig language". This is what I am
talking about. Russian imperialism is bad thing for everyone,
for Russians also. The Russians now are killing Russians. People
from Moscow rot on battelfields in Ukraine.

As well as Ukrainians, who also cannot refuse from being mobilized by

They are defending their country is at this moment are doing great.
Russian army is moving back.

Zelensky. BTW what country are you now, so sure for not being
mobilized?

I cannot be sure, but do you know that Russian is corrupt from top to bottom? :)
The prices are already well known. You think that military guys who stole 1,5 mln uniforms won't take money from people that don't want be killed? ;)

What's the purpose of this massacre?

Idiots have started it, there is only two purposes in this war -- to

Idiots created USSR, you mean that?

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello Bj�rn,

I never knew sex was a crime in Sweden.

This was about rape.

Rape is a crime of violence. Sex is an act of love.

I know that in most countries a "no" from a woman really means "yes please".
But not in Sweden.

A "no" is a "no" is a "no" - in every language and in every country.

Try to rape a Swedish girl and all hell will come down upon you.

The two Swedish gals I knew back in college days made sure of that.
Both knew how to handle themselves, and never had a real problem.
Problem is, in this country many women choose not to even report an
incident, and rapists go on to rape others without ever getting
caught.

Our phones are open 24/7 if you want to report a violation of our girl's freedom to choose with whom they have intercourse with.

Victims often never recover, and have little support from society,
or in many cases their own family. We have a former president who
regards women as being nothing more than playthings, and has been
accused by many of being a rapist. But he will never be charged
or prosecuted for any crime. And the women he had fun with will
never receive a single red cent in damages ...

That is the single most important reason why *reported* rapes are as high as
it is in Sweden. BOC, men with erectile problems will never want to hear anything about it. "A fuck is a fuck, leave it with that."

Now we know Trump's alibi. Thanks for telling. :)

For Life,
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Hello Bj�rn,

Oh, yes, I realize the contribution that German scientists (who came to
the US by their own choice) made to the US war efforts.

Oh, yes, those German scientists "technically" came by their own choice.

Of course they did. Everybody loves America.

The two choices 1600 German scientists had between going with the secret
US Operation Paperclip, without even the Allied leaders, or of course the US people, being informed anything about it, and, the other choice: going to N�rnberg, standing trial for all the war crimes they'd committed.

And given very lenient sentences.

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Alexander,

[..]

village with three people. But if tens of millions people speak
their native language only idiots could try to make them to refuse
from it. In these case the country _must_ be bilingual, as Ukraine
had been until the coup in 2014.

Ukraine was and is bilingual. You can use Russian anywhere (you
never visited Ukraine, right?). But state language is Ukranian.

Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs, business, culture, TV and so on. Especially it had to be true in Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming to power.

The state of Louisiana has two official languages - French and English.
The reason why is because many people in the state speak French, and
many people in the state speak English. Some even speak both French and English, making them truly bilingual.

The USA has no official language. Even though most people in the USA
speak English. So how does one go about eliminating a language that
officially does not exist?

It's like in China, where all exams are in Mandarin. Go and say to
China that they are idiots. And Mandarin is VERY different from
southern languages. Father of my colleage from the South cannot
understand Mandarin almost completely, his local language (only the
writing is the same) is more different to Mandarin than Russian to
Ukraine.

Historically things often happened undemocratically, but now when some people try to remake millions of others, forcefully and not hearing them -- it is called fascism. I have told the all why Ukrainian nationalists are Nazi, but this is why they are fascists.

What is fascism? Do you even have a clue? Most people don't, so do
not feel as if I am picking on you. So please. Feel free to post your
own definition. Whatever that might be.

Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist things in Russia.

What fascist things? Remember, he is the one who is calling Zelensky
a fascist. Not just any ordinary fascist, but a Nazi Jew. Whatever that
is.

For Life,
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 24.10.2022 17:56

DP>>> We have almost 100% of Chechen population in Chechnya and they
DP>>> still have exams in Russian. On paper we are federation but
DP>>> reality - we have strict "Russian only policy".

ak>> I say to you again -- the quantity matters. In a small village all
ak>> people possibly wanted a movie theatre, but nowhere nobody will
ak>> build it.

DP> But do you think that Chechens cannot use Chechen language in
DP> schools? Why?

They cannot use it in Russia - it is a very small language, the same
thing is with Eskimos people. But in Ukraine all the east and south
speaks Russian. Quite a different story.

DP>>> Ukraine was and is bilingual. You can use Russian anywhere (you
DP>>> never visited Ukraine, right?). But state language is Ukranian.

ak>> Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs,

DP> No, bilingual is when most ot the people speak multiple languages.
DP> Like you can use English in Sweden. Or in Denmark. I had no problem
DP> with English in Denmark but their offical language is Danish.

No, it is rubbish. A real bilingual example is Canadian Quebec.
Ukraine must admit, that those Russian people from the USSR are still
Russians and must stop making a forceful assimilation.

ak>> Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new
ak>> authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming
ak>> to power.

DP> But Ukaraine is still bilingual. Right now, in 2022.

You don't follow the news -- the Ukraine officials tell about complete elimination of the Russian language in Ukraine in the future. It is
there aim from 2014.

http://www.frontnews.ge/en/news/details/44456

<skipped>
ak>> Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist
ak>> things in Russia.


DP> He is doing much worse. Ukranian children from occupied territories
DP> were sent to new families in Russia, without finding or asking
DP> their parents. It's another way of Russification of Ukraine.

Stinky propaganda cakes. People are being evacuate because of Ukraine
constant shelling, that even today kills a lot of civilian people. And certainly the war zone is not a place for children to be in. But it is a
lie that they are taken from their parent forcefully, without parent's consent.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 25.10.2022 09:01

ak>> Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs,
ak>> business, culture, TV and so on. Especially it had to be true in
ak>> Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new
ak>> authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming
ak>> to power.

LL> The state of Louisiana has two official languages - French and
LL> English. The reason why is because many people in the state speak
LL> French, and many people in the state speak English. Some even speak
LL> both French and English, making them truly bilingual.

LL> The USA has no official language. Even though most people in the
LL> USA speak English. So how does one go about eliminating a language
LL> that officially does not exist?

In Ukraine there is another problem -- a lot of people in Ukraine
themselves WANT to speak Russian and belong to Russian culture, and this
fact makes the nationalists crazy. The source of the nationalism is
western Ukrainian regions where people mainly speak Ukrainian, and they
think that all the people in Ukraine must be like them.

DP>>> It's like in China, where all exams are in Mandarin. Go and say
DP>>> to China that they are idiots. And Mandarin is VERY different
DP>>> from southern languages. Father of my colleage from the South
DP>>> cannot understand Mandarin almost completely, his local language
DP>>> (only the writing is the same) is more different to Mandarin than
DP>>> Russian to Ukraine.

ak>> Historically things often happened undemocratically, but now when
ak>> some people try to remake millions of others, forcefully and not
ak>> hearing them -- it is called fascism. I have told the all why
ak>> Ukrainian nationalists are Nazi, but this is why they are
ak>> fascists.

LL> What is fascism? Do you even have a clue? Most people don't, so do
LL> not feel as if I am picking on you. So please. Feel free to post
LL> your own definition. Whatever that might be.

Fascism was brightly shown in Italy and Germany. It looks like this -- a certain politician (as a rule a psychopath) declares his an idee fixe
and organises a popular movement consisting of aggressive groups of his followers who are marching along the streets, hold rallies, intimidate opponents, make a special list of those who don't support them etc. At
some point they even can come to your house and teach you how you must
live from now on, wagging with baseball bats. At some point it becomes
simply dangerous to hold your own policy if you don't support the
mentioned fucking guys. At some point they simply can bit you even for a critical article in the newspaper which didn't praise them.
All these things have burst into blossom in Ukraine, especially after
2014, although they were there before, too. That's why the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists are not only Nazi, but it is more correct to call
them Nazi-fascists. There is no place to stamp a word "democracy" on
their body, unless you hate Russia so much that everyone who hates it
becomes your friend. It was the position of the West during the events
in Kiev in 2014.

It is not a coincidence that they have been demolishing now the
monuments of the Soviet soldiers fallen in WW2. The German Nazi-fascist
ideas are very close to them. The matter is not in the invasion of
modern Russia -- the matter is in the revenge to those who fought
fascism in WW2. And those to collaborate with Nazi during WW2 becomes
heroes for the modern Ukrainian Nazi-fascists.

ak>> Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist
ak>> things in Russia.

LL> What fascist things? Remember, he is the one who is calling
LL> Zelensky a fascist. Not just any ordinary fascist, but a Nazi Jew.
LL> Whatever that is.

I hope I have conveyed to you my idea on this account.

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday October 25 2022 09:01, you wrote to me:

But do you think that Chechens cannot use Chechen language in
schools? Why?

They cannot use it in Russia - it is a very small language, the same

It's a very common language in Chechnya. Almost 100% of local population speaks it.
Your life without Chechen there will be very difficlut.

thing is with Eskimos people. But in Ukraine all the east and south

Eskimos people in Russia almost lost their languages because of politics of Russification.

speaks Russian. Quite a different story.

The same, actually. Chechens use Russian in schools but always use their native language anywhere else.

No, bilingual is when most ot the people speak multiple
languages. Like you can use English in Sweden. Or in Denmark. I
had no problem with English in Denmark but their offical
language is Danish.

No, it is rubbish. A real bilingual example is Canadian Quebec.

Probably you've never visited truly bilingual countrues, like Congo.
They have French as official language but only about 50% of people use it as native language.

And nobody became French because of that! ;) You cannot change your ethnic group by using Ukranian language if you want to be Russian.
It's nonsense.

But Ukaraine is still bilingual. Right now, in 2022.

You don't follow the news -- the Ukraine officials tell about complete
elimination of the Russian language in Ukraine in the future. It is
there aim from 2014.

It's like drop of popularity of German leanguage when German forces invaded Russia.
Russian became language of mass killers, very unpleasent situation. But people still use Russian every day in Ukraine. And no one is punished for talking in Russian, you can find a lot of video clips on youtube where Ukranian soldiers speak Russian.
And yes, if Russia will continue killing Ukranians - our language will be more and more language of death, very sad..

He is doing much worse. Ukranian children from occupied
territories were sent to new families in Russia, without finding
or asking their parents. It's another way of Russification of
Ukraine.

Stinky propaganda cakes. People are being evacuate because of Ukraine constant shelling, that even today kills a lot of civilian people. And
certainly the war zone is not a place for children to be in. But it
is a lie that they are taken from their parent forcefully, without parent's consent.

No one seeks for their families. So you are just unaware of the situation because Russian propaganda never talks about it: if you've lost you daughter for a day after the shelling - it's a high chance that she will be taken to Russia and sent to new familiy.
No one will try to find you, Russia don't even search for it's soldiers, nobody cares about lost families, separated during mass shelling of the cities.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday October 25 2022 10:14, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

In Ukraine there is another problem -- a lot of people in Ukraine themselves WANT to speak Russian and belong to Russian culture, and
this fact makes the nationalists crazy. The source of the nationalism

There is a problem - there is nothing like "Russian culture" that is fully independent from Ukranian culture.
Our cultures are very integrated into each other.
That's why Zelensky was very popular in Russia as an actor.

is western Ukrainian regions where people mainly speak Ukrainian, and
they think that all the people in Ukraine must be like them.

Not really. The main driving force is not a Western Ukraine.
The main reason is currupt Russia. Nobody wants to be like Russia.
In Russia police will fuck you in the ass (a lot of examples of such behaviour), will beat you, road police will be asking for money from truck drivers,
the main fundation of modern Russia is a greed for money and power.


Best regards,
dp.

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Hello Alexander,

Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs,
business, culture, TV and so on. Especially it had to be true in
Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new
authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming
to power.

The state of Louisiana has two official languages - French and
English. The reason why is because many people in the state speak
French, and many people in the state speak English. Some even speak
both French and English, making them truly bilingual.

The USA has no official language. Even though most people in the
USA speak English. So how does one go about eliminating a language
that officially does not exist?

In Ukraine there is another problem -- a lot of people in Ukraine themselves WANT to speak Russian and belong to Russian culture, and this fact makes the nationalists crazy. The source of the nationalism is western Ukrainian regions where people mainly speak Ukrainian, and they think that all the people in Ukraine must be like them.

A lingistic map of Ukraine shows where most who speak Russian
are, and most who speak Ukraine are. But all Ukrainians can speak
the language of their choice anywhere in Ukraine.

It's like in China, where all exams are in Mandarin. Go and say
to China that they are idiots. And Mandarin is VERY different
from southern languages. Father of my colleage from the South
cannot understand Mandarin almost completely, his local language
(only the writing is the same) is more different to Mandarin than
Russian to Ukraine.

Historically things often happened undemocratically, but now when
some people try to remake millions of others, forcefully and not
hearing them -- it is called fascism. I have told the all why
Ukrainian nationalists are Nazi, but this is why they are
fascists.

What is fascism? Do you even have a clue? Most people don't, so do
not feel as if I am picking on you. So please. Feel free to post
your own definition. Whatever that might be.

Fasism was brightly shown in Italy and Germany. It looks like this -- a certain politician (as a rule a psychopath) declares his an idee fixe
and organises a popular movement consisting of aggressive groups of his followers who are marching along the streets, hold rallies, intimidate opponents, make a special list of those who don't support them etc. At some point they even can come to your house and teach you how you must live from now on, wagging with baseball bats. At some point it becomes simply dangerous to hold your own policy if you don't support the mentioned fucking guys. At some point they simply can bit you even for a critical article in the newspaper which didn't praise them.
All these things have burst into blossom in Ukraine, especially after 2014, although they were there before, too. That's why the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists are not only Nazi, but it is more correct to call
them Nazi-fascists. There is no place to stamp a word "democracy" on
their body, unless you hate Russia so much that everyone who hates it becomes your friend. It was the position of the West during the events
in Kiev in 2014.

Fascism is not vigilantism. Although vigilantism is tolerated, and
encouraged. I define it as the period beteen WWI and WWII, when Benito Mussolini (a former socialist) created a new ideology as a reaction
to capitalist ideas of England, Italy, and especially the US. The
national socialism of Germany (Nazism) was more of a personality
cult (with Adolf Hitler at the center) rather than an ideology.

FDR praised Benito Mussolini, and thought he was really on to
something. Until Mussolini went sideways and endorsed Hitler.

It is not a coincidence that they have been demolishing now the
monuments of the Soviet soldiers fallen in WW2. The German Nazi-fascist ideas are very close to them. The matter is not in the invasion of
modern Russia -- the matter is in the revenge to those who fought
fascism in WW2. And those to collaborate with Nazi during WW2 becomes heroes for the modern Ukrainian Nazi-fascists.

When the regime of Saddam Hussein came to an end, Iraqis toppled
statues of the dictator, along with all other monuments of his era.
Does that make Iraqis fascists or nazis? Many of those same Iraqis
turned on those who freed them from their dictator. And we all know
what happened to the dictator himself.

There are many Ukrainians who fought along side with Russians as part
of the Soviet army, and remain proud of what they did. So why would
they, or other Ukrainians, want to destroy what they themselves were
most proud of?

Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist
things in Russia.

What fascist things? Remember, he is the one who is calling
Zelensky a fascist. Not just any ordinary fascist, but a Nazi Jew.
Whatever that is.

I hope I have conveyed to you my idea on this account.

Calling people names and acts of violence is not fascism.
If fascism is a description of an ideology that existed in
Italy between WWI and WWII, then no description of fascism
would be apt to describe what passes for fascism today.

We had an orange clown who liked to call people names.
Such as "little rocket man" and "sleepy eyed Joe" etc.
Not to mention entire peoples, such as Mexicans and
Chinese. But does that make him a fascist? Or a nazi?
What about a "semi-fascist"? Would that count?

Acts of violence, such as the riot on January 6 at the Capital,
is not fascism. Even with the president egging the crowd on.

The US under Trump was a personality cult.
Just like Germany under Hitler was.
The only real difference being Trump's own incompetence.

Benito Mussolini was competent as a leader, and knew what he was doing.
Today, a new Italian leader has emerged. An old-school fascist, just
like il Duce, only female. One who really knows what she is doing.

Adolf Hitler was also competent, and knew what made people tick.
Even after the war, Germans failed to understand why their schools
were bombed, why their hospitals were bombed, why their cities were
bombed. They did not have a clue about what really happened to their
Jewish neighbors, thinking they had all relocated to Palestine ...

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Dmitry!

** On Tuesday 25.10.22 - 14:27, you wrote to ak:

[...] And yes, if Russia will continue killing Ukranians -
our language will be more and more language of death, very
sad..

Profoundly said.

Rus language had a bad taste in the mouth among my previous gen
Lats who ended up in displacement camps or sought new life
overseas because of the Rus invasion during WW2.
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 25.10.2022 14:27

DP>>> But do you think that Chechens cannot use Chechen language in
DP>>> schools? Why?

ak>> They cannot use it in Russia - it is a very small language, the
ak>> same

DP> It's a very common language in Chechnya. Almost 100% of local
DP> population speaks it. Your life without Chechen there will be very
DP> difficlut.

People of some village also 100% probably want a new movie-theatre. But
they will not get it. It is like a feet and toes. You can go on feet bit
never on a toe.

DP> The same, actually. Chechens use Russian in schools but always use
DP> their native language anywhere else.

It is strange what you don't understand the difference. Probably you
don't want.

DP>>> No, bilingual is when most ot the people speak multiple
DP>>> languages. Like you can use English in Sweden. Or in Denmark. I
DP>>> had no problem with English in Denmark but their offical language
DP>>> is Danish.

ak>> No, it is rubbish. A real bilingual example is Canadian Quebec.

DP> Probably you've never visited truly bilingual countrues, like
DP> Congo. They have French as official language but only about 50% of

;=)

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 26.10.2022 01:10

ak>> In Ukraine there is another problem -- a lot of people in Ukraine
ak>> themselves WANT to speak Russian and belong to Russian culture,
ak>> and this fact makes the nationalists crazy. The source of the
ak>> nationalism is western Ukrainian regions where people mainly speak
ak>> Ukrainian, and they think that all the people in Ukraine must be
ak>> like them.

LL> A lingistic map of Ukraine shows where most who speak Russian are,
LL> and most who speak Ukraine are. But all Ukrainians can speak the
LL> language of their choice anywhere in Ukraine.

They could until 2014. New laws has had clearly anti-Russian
connotation. But more of that -- Russian speakers pressed to stop using
it, even in the areas of there living. The Russian language restriction
laws have not been _implemented_ yet, and somebody can mistakenly say
that people can speak Russian in Ukraine freely.

<skipped>
LL>>> What is fascism? Do you even have a clue? Most people don't, so
LL>>> do not feel as if I am picking on you. So please. Feel free to
LL>>> post your own definition. Whatever that might be.

ak>> Fasism was brightly shown in Italy and Germany. It looks like
ak>> this -- a certain politician (as a rule a psychopath) declares his
ak>> an idee fixe and organises a popular movement consisting of
ak>> aggressive groups of his followers who are marching along the
ak>> streets, hold rallies, intimidate opponents, make a special list
ak>> of those who don't support them etc. At some point they even can
ak>> come to your house and teach you how you must live from now on,
ak>> wagging with baseball bats. At some point it becomes simply
ak>> dangerous to hold your own policy if you don't support the
ak>> mentioned fucking guys. At some point they simply can bit you even
ak>> for a critical article in the newspaper which didn't praise them.
ak>> All these things have burst into blossom in Ukraine, especially
ak>> after 2014, although they were there before, too. That's why the
ak>> Ukrainian ultra-nationalists are not only Nazi, but it is more
ak>> correct to call them Nazi-fascists. There is no place to stamp a
ak>> word "democracy" on their body, unless you hate Russia so much
ak>> that everyone who hates it becomes your friend. It was the
ak>> position of the West during the events in Kiev in 2014.

LL> Fascism is not vigilantism. Although vigilantism is tolerated, and
LL> encouraged. I define it as the period beteen WWI and WWII, when
LL> Benito Mussolini (a former socialist) created a new ideology as a
LL> reaction to capitalist ideas of England, Italy, and especially the
LL> US. The national socialism of Germany (Nazism) was more of a
LL> personality cult (with Adolf Hitler at the center) rather than an
LL> ideology.

The main feature of fascism is -- a small groups of fucking radicals can change of the country. You probably don't understand how easily a small
gang can take controls of a big city.

LL> FDR praised Benito Mussolini, and thought he was really on to
LL> something. Until Mussolini went sideways and endorsed Hitler.

ak>> It is not a coincidence that they have been demolishing now the
ak>> monuments of the Soviet soldiers fallen in WW2. The German Nazi-
ak>> fascist ideas are very close to them. The matter is not in the
ak>> invasion of modern Russia -- the matter is in the revenge to those
ak>> who fought fascism in WW2. And those to collaborate with Nazi
ak>> during WW2 becomes heroes for the modern Ukrainian Nazi-fascists.

LL> When the regime of Saddam Hussein came to an end, Iraqis toppled
LL> statues of the dictator, along with all other monuments of his era.
LL> Does that make Iraqis fascists or nazis? Many of those same Iraqis
LL> turned on those who freed them from their dictator. And we all know
LL> what happened to the dictator himself.

The tyranny of a person is not fascism.

<skipped>
LL> Acts of violence, such as the riot on January 6 at the Capital, is
LL> not fascism. Even with the president egging the crowd on.

No, of course it is not. The main feature of fascism is active political groups who try to bring their order to the country and oppress the
opponents violently. Lat: Fascio - a group, bundle with an axe within.
And the intimidated people prefer to live according new rules.

Bye, Lee!
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Hi, August Abolins!
I read your message from 26.10.2022 15:56

DP>> [...] And yes, if Russia will continue killing Ukranians -
DP>> our language will be more and more language of death, very
DP>> sad..
AA> Profoundly said.
AA> Rus language had a bad taste in the mouth among my previous gen
AA> Lats who ended up in displacement camps or sought new life
AA> overseas because of the Rus invasion during WW2.

Do you think that in Baltic states of those times there weren't people
who wished communism and joining the USSR? As far as I know there were elections there and as the result was the joining to the USSR.
You will NOT say that the USSR invaded Baltic states as it did in
Poland. But of course you will say that those elections were dishonest.
:) But in reality, a lot of people of that time wanted Communism and
searched for ways to implement it. Even in the Baltic states.

Bye, August!
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Hello, alexander!

Thursday October 27 2022 08:59, you wrote to me:

It's a very common language in Chechnya. Almost 100% of local
population speaks it. Your life without Chechen there will be
very difficlut.

People of some village also 100% probably want a new movie-theatre.
But they will not get it. It is like a feet and toes. You can go on
feet bit never on a toe.

They won't get movie-theatre because they are in decline in Russia and most of them will close soon - they are not getttng enough profit for survival.
West banned their new films and people don't want to watch new Russian movies there.

The same, actually. Chechens use Russian in schools but always
use their native language anywhere else.

It is strange what you don't understand the difference. Probably you
don't want.

Or because you just don't have arguments :) Russian is the only language allowed for State exams in schools in Russia.
Even for people who will use othe languages 99% of the time during their lives.

Probably you've never visited truly bilingual countrues, like
Congo. They have French as official language but only about 50%
of

;=)

Do you really think that full scale war with Ukraine is good for Russian language?


Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Thursday October 27 2022 09:30, you wrote to August Abolins:

:) But in reality, a lot of people of that time wanted Communism and searched for ways to implement it. Even in the Baltic states.

And in just 1 year they wanted to join German forces. And then again, wanted Communism..


Best regards,
dp.

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Here in Canada we have two official languages, English & French.

Here in Belgium we have three: dutch, french and german. The use of languages is territorially restricted for practical purposes so schools will adhere to the local language but merchants will try to accomodate you. Filing a police report and you only know english? No problem. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian refugess in the country speaking only ukrainian or russian ... not a problem ... people getting jobs, kids going to school and quickly learning the language here ... there are cases where l'amour is also happening ...

Language is not the reason for the Ukrainian invasion ... it's one of the many ridiculous excuzes.

The day after tomorrow I'm flying to Calgary with my granddaughter ... the official parental consent from her mother to travel with gramps is delivered by the municipality quadrilingual, so is my passport, driver's license, ...

21st century ...

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 27.10.2022 09:08

DP>>> Probably you've never visited truly bilingual
DP>>> countrues, like Congo. They have French as official
DP>>> language but only about 50% of
ak>> ;=)
DP> Do you really think that full scale war with Ukraine is good
DP> for Russian language?

Of course the language issue is not only one. Probably, even most
important had been the violation of rights of eastern, southern parts of Ukraine and Crimea by illegal deposing of the elected Ukraine president Yanukovich, who had been elected mainly by these people. This issue is
quite enough for not recognizing the new authority in Kiev.

Suppose, that the US Police and army would have not dispersed Trumps' supporters around the Capital and they would have dismissed Bidon from presidency. It would have been the casus belli for Civil war in the USA.
One part would not have accepted it, another one would have started
using military to suppress those who refuse. There is a difference,
however -- supporters of Tramp and Bidon are scattered across the
country, but in Ukraine the supporters of Yanukovich all lived together,
in the same areas (east, south, Crimea).

Bye, Dmitry!
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On 10-25-22 09:01, Alexander Koryagin <=-
spoke to Dmitry Protasoff about Speaking German <=-

But Ukaraine is still bilingual. Right now, in 2022.

You don't follow the news -- the Ukraine officials tell about complete elimination of the Russian language in Ukraine in the future. It is
there aim from 2014.

http://www.frontnews.ge/en/news/details/44456

That article does not support your claim. It says that a cabinet member (Danilov) made such a statement -- but not that it was policy of
Ukraine nor that the statement was supported by Zelensky nor by anyone
else in the government.

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Hi, Dmitry! Recently you wrote in a message to alexander koryagin:

Bilingual it is when two languages are equal
in state affairs,

No, bilingual is when most ot the people speak
multiple languages.

Ah, now I think we're getting somewhere.

Some say folks from the West don't understand... but if they tell me it's now illegal to use Russian in Ukraine I find it difficult to believe that. Here in Canada we have two official languages, English & French. If you prefer to use another language at home or on the street or in the local pub you can do it with impunity. And in this province at least you can easily obtain services from local merchants & banks in Cantonese, Mandarin Chinese, Punjabi, etc. You can also ask for an interpreter when e.g. you have a child in hospital.... :-)


My CANADIAN OXFORD DICTIONARY defines "bilingual" as:

1. Able to speak two languages, esp. fluently

2. Spoken or written in or involving two languages.

It appears to me that many people who live in Ukraine speak either Ukrainian or Russian as the situation warrants (definition #1, which is basically how you're interpreting the word). Definition #1 pertains to human beings. The "official language/s" of some country or other (definition #2) is a different matter. As Alexander says, it pertains to state affairs & to just about anything spoken or written in two languages. But IMHO it's a large leap to suggest the neonasties in Ukraine want to force everyone to speak Ukrainian at all times. I wonder if some folks might be panicking unnecessarily over the "official language" issue.

Thanks to you both for your help in clarifying these things.... :-)




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Hello, alexander!

Thursday October 27 2022 14:12, you wrote to me:

Of course the language issue is not only one. Probably, even most important had been the violation of rights of eastern, southern parts
of Ukraine and Crimea by illegal deposing of the elected Ukraine
president Yanukovich, who had been elected mainly by these people.
This issue is quite enough for not recognizing the new authority in
Kiev.

But is it enough to start mass killings in Ukraine?
BTW, are you going to war yourself? Do you have plans to kill Ukranians?

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Ardith!

Wednesday October 26 2022 23:56, you wrote to me:

Some say folks from the West don't understand... but if
they tell me it's now illegal to use Russian in Ukraine I find it

But how it could be illegal when Ukranian officials use Russian language in their interviews?
Predident Zelensky is a good example.

It appears to me that many people who live in Ukraine speak either Ukrainian or Russian as the situation warrants (definition #1, which
is basically how you're interpreting the word). Definition #1
pertains to human beings. The "official language/s" of some country
or other (definition #2) is a different matter. As Alexander says, it pertains to state affairs & to just about anything spoken or written
in two languages. But IMHO it's a large leap to suggest the

Russian language is not forbidden in Ukraine, you just can't expect to have service in Russian when someone prefer Ukranian.
It's like English in Russia.

neonasties in Ukraine want to force everyone to speak Ukrainian at all times. I wonder if some folks might be panicking unnecessarily over

It's easy to find interviews with all Ukranian nationalist leaders on youtube in Russian :)

The real problem is that current war has nothing to do with language. It's about a "revenge", about taking back what was "ours" during Soviet and Russian Imperial era. And the main driver behind those events - is Putin himself, who is talking exactly like Hitler - "we were forced to start this war".
And big part of population is brainwashed by State owned media for many years. We are always taking something from the West - communism, for example :) Now our country decided to cosplay Nazi Reich with some local adaptations.
God help us all! :)



Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 27.10.2022 18:36

AH>> Some say folks from the West don't understand... but if they tell
AH>> me it's now illegal to use Russian in Ukraine I find it

DP> But how it could be illegal when Ukranian officials use Russian
DP> language in their interviews? Predident Zelensky is a good example.

In the hard times even Stalin addressed the Soviet people in the
Orthodox Church way -- in addition to "comrades" he started to add
"bothers and sisters", although he had persecuted the church before
heavily. But the new Ukrainian laws tell unambiguously -- Ukrainian
language must be used in all state affairs, plants, transport etc. It is
a usual hypocrisy to attract Russian people.

AH>> It appears to me that many people who live in Ukraine speak either
AH>> Ukrainian or Russian as the situation warrants (definition #1,
AH>> which is basically how you're interpreting the word). Definition
AH>> #1 pertains to human beings. The "official language/s" of some
AH>> country or other (definition #2) is a different matter. As
AH>> Alexander says, it pertains to state affairs & to just about
AH>> anything spoken or written in two languages. But IMHO it's a large
AH>> leap to suggest the

DP> Russian language is not forbidden in Ukraine, you just can't expect
DP> to have service in Russian when someone prefer Ukranian. It's like
DP> English in Russia.

To be exact they still cannot implement their own laws.

AH>> neonasties in Ukraine want to force everyone to speak Ukrainian at
AH>> all times. I wonder if some folks might be panicking unnecessarily
AH>> over

DP> It's easy to find interviews with all Ukranian nationalist leaders
DP> on youtube in Russian :)

It is easier to become a janissary than become a rebel fighting for his nation. ;-\

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hello, alexander!

Friday October 28 2022 11:23, you wrote to me:

But how it could be illegal when Ukranian officials use Russian
language in their interviews? Predident Zelensky is a good
example.

In the hard times even Stalin addressed the Soviet people in the
Orthodox Church way -- in addition to "comrades" he started to add "bothers and sisters", although he had persecuted the church before

It you check Stalin's speeches more carefully you'll see that words "brothers and sisters" were used to describe those who lived under german occupation.
They were prosecuted heavily when Soviet army liberated those territories. Another example of Stalin's lie.

heavily. But the new Ukrainian laws tell unambiguously -- Ukrainian language must be used in all state affairs, plants, transport etc. It
is a usual hypocrisy to attract Russian people.

The law says that Ukranian is an official language, that's all.
As a citizen you'll have a right to get State's services in Ukranian. But if someone will be ready to talk to you in Russia - it's ok as long as you are not against that.

Russian language is not forbidden in Ukraine, you just can't
expect to have service in Russian when someone prefer Ukranian.
It's like English in Russia.

To be exact they still cannot implement their own laws.

?????

neonasties in Ukraine want to force everyone to speak Ukrainian
at all times. I wonder if some folks might be panicking
unnecessarily over

It's easy to find interviews with all Ukranian nationalist
leaders on youtube in Russian :)

It is easier to become a janissary than become a rebel fighting for
his nation. ;-\

But using word "janissary" you want to remind us that Turkey is supporting Ukraine and Putin can't do anything about it? :)

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 28.10.2022 12:35

DP>>> It's easy to find interviews with all Ukranian
DP>>> nationalist leaders on youtube in Russian :)
ak>> It is easier to become a janissary than become a rebel
ak>> fighting for his nation. ;-\
DP> But using word "janissary" you want to remind us that Turkey is
DP> supporting Ukraine and Putin can't do anything about it? :)

If we recalled history, the most cruel atrocities against Serbs
committed brainwashed Serbs - janissary. "Janissary" describes best of
all the people who forget their origin. Indeed, for instance being a a Ukrainian policeman helping German troops in WW2 was less dangerous than fighting with Germans.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hello, alexander!

Friday October 28 2022 13:13, you wrote to me:

But using word "janissary" you want to remind us that Turkey is
supporting Ukraine and Putin can't do anything about it? :)

If we recalled history, the most cruel atrocities against Serbs
committed brainwashed Serbs - janissary. "Janissary" describes best of

They were taken away to Turkey, just like Russia is moving Ukranian childred out of the country.
Looks like Putin and his friends took all terrible things from the past and implemented them in Ukraine.

all the people who forget their origin. Indeed, for instance being a
a Ukrainian policeman helping German troops in WW2 was less dangerous
than fighting with Germans.

Especially when NKVD (People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs) killed your relatives in 1930s purges.


Best regards,
dp.

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Hello alexander!

** On Thursday 27.10.22 - 09:30, you wrote to me:

Do you think that in Baltic states of those times there
weren't people who wished communism and joining the USSR?
As far as I know there were elections there and as the
result was the joining to the USSR.

Ah.. your "As far as I know" is telling. I don't know of any
such electons/voting. I think you are spinning baloney.

..But of course you will say that those elections were
dishonest. :)

Not at all. I will say - what elections? :/

But in reality, a lot of people of that time wanted
Communism and searched for ways to implement it. Even in
the Baltic states.

Define "a lot". I suppose those who may have allegedly claimed
they wanted it only said so to avoid being shot.

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Hi, August Abolins!
I read your message from 29.10.2022 01:13

ak>> But in reality, a lot of people of that time wanted
ak>> Communism and searched for ways to implement it. Even in
ak>> the Baltic states.
AA> Define "a lot". I suppose those who may have allegedly claimed
AA> ??they wanted it only said so to avoid being shot.

You probably have forgotten the term "oppressed working class". Exactly
these numerous people wanted and fought for Communism in 20th century,
in Russia including. They were the majority in many countries. Denying
it looks like closing your eyes at the fact that you don't like to see.
More of that - the most trusted Bolshevik military guards were soldiers
from Baltic states, particularly from Latvia (so called "Latyshskie
strelki").

Bye, August!
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 27.10.2022 15:43

ak>> Of course the language issue is not only one. Probably,
ak>> even most important had been the violation of rights of
ak>> eastern, southern parts of Ukraine and Crimea by illegal
ak>> deposing of the elected Ukraine president Yanukovich, who
ak>> had been elected mainly by these people. This issue is
ak>> quite enough for not recognizing the new authority in Kiev.

DP> But is it enough to start mass killings in Ukraine?
DP> BTW, are you going to war yourself? Do you have plans to kill
DP> Ukranians?

The first mass killing had happened when Turchinov and Yachnuk (the coup leaders) ordered the Ukraine military aviation to bomb the building of
Donetsk airport captured by those who didn't accept the new authority in
Kiev. Dozens of people had been killed then. The corpses from the
building were took out by trucks.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hello, alexander!

Monday October 31 2022 13:30, you wrote to me:

But is it enough to start mass killings in Ukraine?
BTW, are you going to war yourself? Do you have plans to kill
Ukranians?

The first mass killing had happened when Turchinov and Yachnuk (the
coup leaders) ordered the Ukraine military aviation to bomb the
building of Donetsk airport captured by those who didn't accept the

You mean - when Russian saboteurs with help from local separatists captured airport?
Imagine that something like this will happen in Russia. Everyone will be killed.

Even talks in internet about referendum about separation from Russian state is punished by jail time. And you are talking about actual war that started with direct intervention from Russia!

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Monday October 31 2022 13:22, you wrote to August Abolins:

countries. Denying it looks like closing your eyes at the fact that
you don't like to see. More of that - the most trusted Bolshevik
military guards were soldiers from Baltic states, particularly from
Latvia (so called "Latyshskie strelki").

And a lot of Russians fought together with nazis during WW2.

BTW, most of those Latvians were purged during 30s :) High price for beeing "most trusted guards", what do you think? ;)

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 31.10.2022 15:02

ak>> countries. Denying it looks like closing your eyes at the
ak>> fact that you don't like to see. More of that - the most
ak>> trusted Bolshevik military guards were soldiers from Baltic
ak>> states, particularly from Latvia (so called "Latyshskie
ak>> strelki").
DP> And a lot of Russians fought together with nazis during WW2.
DP> BTW, most of those Latvians were purged during 30s :) High
DP> price for beeing "most trusted guards", what do you think? ;)

Most Bolshvicks who had made 1917 revolution were also repressed during
Stalin rule in 30s. But those repressions were not political
repressions. They were from the field of psychiatry. Such thing always
happen when a country is surrounded by enimies. It is very possible
we'll see some of this kind in the modern Russia. Beware if you are
going to return to Russia from your Poland camp. ;)

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 31.10.2022 13:57


DP>>> But is it enough to start mass killings in Ukraine? BTW, are you
DP>>> going to war yourself? Do you have plans to kill Ukranians?

ak>> The first mass killing had happened when Turchinov and Yachnuk
ak>> (the coup leaders) ordered the Ukraine military aviation to bomb
ak>> the building of Donetsk airport captured by those who didn't
ak>> accept the

DP> You mean - when Russian saboteurs with help from local separatists
DP> captured airport? Imagine that something like this will happen in
DP> Russia. Everyone will be killed.

I see why you justify sending Ukrainian troops to Donbass and killings
there for 8 years. You should only undersatnd why those in Donbass had
not agreed with such an approach.

DP> Even talks in internet about referendum about separation from
DP> Russian state is punished by jail time. And you are talking about
DP> actual war that started with direct intervention from Russia!

We compare two totalitarian states or a totalitarian state and a
democratic one?

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday November 01 2022 12:33, you wrote to me:

And a lot of Russians fought together with nazis during WW2.
BTW, most of those Latvians were purged during 30s :) High
price for beeing "most trusted guards", what do you think? ;)

Most Bolshvicks who had made 1917 revolution were also repressed
during Stalin rule in 30s. But those repressions were not political

Yes, because no one was safe in USSR.

repressions. They were from the field of psychiatry. Such thing

USSR as built as some madman's dream.

always happen when a country is surrounded by enimies. It is very

No always. Nothing like this happens in Israel.

possible we'll see some of this kind in the modern Russia. Beware if

We already see such things.

you are going to return to Russia from your Poland camp. ;)

I hope to see you going to war, Putin needs some more soldiers in Ukraine.
When are going there?

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday November 01 2022 12:38, you wrote to me:

You mean - when Russian saboteurs with help from local
separatists captured airport? Imagine that something like this
will happen in Russia. Everyone will be killed.

I see why you justify sending Ukrainian troops to Donbass and killings

Ukranian troops were there since 1991. Don't forget that.

Even talks in internet about referendum about separation from
Russian state is punished by jail time. And you are talking
about actual war that started with direct intervention from
Russia!

We compare two totalitarian states or a totalitarian state and a democratic one?

We compare country where you live and country which was attacked by country where you live.

Best regards,
dp.

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