Hello Everybody,

The government of Israel is pushing for a fourth booster shot.
Despite warnings from scientists that doing so is not a good idea.
Not a good idea at all. And yet, the Israeli government is intent
on carrying out its mad plan.

It is not just Israel which is doing this. The USA is also doing
the same, although currently only on its third booster shot. As are
other countries around the world, continuing to administer covid-19
vaccines.

We all know that lockdowns ravage economies, and the shots ravage
our bodies. So why do governments continue to enforce these insane
rules on their own populations?

Further lockdowns and vaccine shots. That is what governments want.
Whether right-wing, left-wing, or whatever. The solution is always
the same.

Less than 1% of vaccine adverse effects have actually been reported.
Do you know why? Most people who died after vaccination died at home
or in the car.

What that means is far more people have died from adverse effects
of covid-19 vaccines than has been reported.

Now think about this -

If an individual person survived two shots of a covid-19 vaccine
without inducing autoimmune organ damage, can they survive a third
shot or a fourth? Keep `em coming, we can take it! Gimme the jab!
Gimme the jab! Keep on poking me until I am dead!

Oh, my. It's a conspiracy. Lefties want to kill us. Lefties
want to kill us all.

"Danger, Will Robinson, danger!"

You have been warned.

https://doctors4covidethics.org/on-covid-vaccines-why-they-cannot- work-and-irrefutable-evidence-of-their-causative-role-in-deaths-after -vaccination/


--Lee

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Hello Everybody,

The government of Israel is pushing for a fourth booster shot.
Despite warnings from scientists that doing so is not a good idea.
Not a good idea at all. And yet, the Israeli government is intent
on carrying out its mad plan.

It is not just Israel which is doing this. The USA is also doing
the same, although currently only on its third booster shot. As are
other countries around the world, continuing to administer covid-19 vaccines.

We all know that lockdowns ravage economies, and the shots ravage
our bodies. So why do governments continue to enforce these insane
rules on their own populations?

Further lockdowns and vaccine shots. That is what governments want. Whether right-wing, left-wing, or whatever. The solution is always
the same.

Less than 1% of vaccine adverse effects have actually been reported.
Do you know why? Most people who died after vaccination died at home
or in the car.

What that means is far more people have died from adverse effects
of covid-19 vaccines than has been reported.

Now think about this -

If an individual person survived two shots of a covid-19 vaccine
without inducing autoimmune organ damage, can they survive a third
shot or a fourth? Keep `em coming, we can take it! Gimme the jab!
Gimme the jab! Keep on poking me until I am dead!

Oh, my. It's a conspiracy. Lefties want to kill us. Lefties
want to kill us all.

"Danger, Will Robinson, danger!"

You have been warned.

https://doctors4covidethics.org/on-covid-vaccines-why-they-cannot- work-and-irrefutable-evidence-of-their-causative-role-in-deaths-after -vaccination/

--Lee

People keep saying its just like the flu vaccine, which is a lie, or at least, a grave misunderstanding. You don't need to take the flu vaccine four times in a single year in order to keep your job.

Somewhere, the risk/benefit trade off swings the other way I think when taking "booster" after "booster" (Boosters are the exact same vaccine, we would be more honest if we just said you had to be revaccinated, instead of getting a "booster").


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Hello Dennis,

[..]

If an individual person survived two shots of a covid-19 vaccine
without inducing autoimmune organ damage, can they survive a third
shot or a fourth? Keep `em coming, we can take it! Gimme the jab!
Gimme the jab! Keep on poking me until I am dead!

Oh, my. It's a conspiracy. Lefties want to kill us. Lefties
want to kill us all.

"Danger, Will Robinson, danger!"

You have been warned.

[..]

People keep saying its just like the flu vaccine, which is a lie, or at least, a grave misunderstanding. You don't need to take the flu vaccine four times in a single year in order to keep your job.

I am basing my comments on German pathology reports concerning
the effects of covid-19 vaccines. You and others can view the same
at this site -

Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting Systems

https://openvaers.com/


Whatever stuff is inside those tiny vials, it is no vaccine
against anything. The risks outweigh the benefits, in my opinion.
Especially since we know so very little about what long-term harm
those "vaccines" may have done, or are doing, to our bodies.

Somewhere, the risk/benefit trade off swings the other way I think when taking "booster" after "booster" (Boosters are the exact same vaccine, we would be more honest if we just said you had to be revaccinated, instead of
getting a "booster").

According to these pathology reports it is those "boosters" that
are most dangerous, as they kind of "supercharge" what the first
vaccines have already done. Kind of like shooting yourself a
second time after playing a game of Russian Roulette. The first
time the chances of survival are pretty good, at 5 out of 6.
The second time at 4 out of 6. How many times will an individual
continue to get lucky?

--Lee

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On 31/12/2021 00:37, Lee Lofaso : ALL wrote:

[...]
We all know that lockdowns ravage economies, and the shots ravage
our bodies.

My body doesn't feel ravaged... but I haven't had my booster yet.

--
Regards
David

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

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Hello Dennis,

[..]

If an individual person survived two shots of a covid-19 vaccine
without inducing autoimmune organ damage, can they survive a third
shot or a fourth? Keep `em coming, we can take it! Gimme the jab!
Gimme the jab! Keep on poking me until I am dead!

Oh, my. It's a conspiracy. Lefties want to kill us. Lefties
want to kill us all.

"Danger, Will Robinson, danger!"

You have been warned.

[..]

People keep saying its just like the flu vaccine, which is a lie, or at least, a grave misunderstanding. You don't need to take the flu vaccine four times in a single year in order to keep your job.

I am basing my comments on German pathology reports concerning
the effects of covid-19 vaccines. You and others can view the same
at this site -

Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting Systems

https://openvaers.com/

Whatever stuff is inside those tiny vials, it is no vaccine
against anything. The risks outweigh the benefits, in my opinion. Especially since we know so very little about what long-term harm
those "vaccines" may have done, or are doing, to our bodies.

Somewhere, the risk/benefit trade off swings the other way I think when taking "booster" after "booster" (Boosters are the exact same vaccine, we would be more honest if we just said you had to be revaccinated, instead

of

getting a "booster").

According to these pathology reports it is those "boosters" that
are most dangerous, as they kind of "supercharge" what the first
vaccines have already done. Kind of like shooting yourself a
second time after playing a game of Russian Roulette. The first
time the chances of survival are pretty good, at 5 out of 6.
The second time at 4 out of 6. How many times will an individual
continue to get lucky?

--Lee

I have had two, with no ill effect, but the third, the fourth, the fifth? The comparisons to the yearly flu jab that people like to make don't hold. With the flu vaccine you don't take 4 shots with in a year.

And that is indeed the problem, at what point does the risk/benefit ratio then turn in favour of not taking more "boosters"? I really doubt there is nothing to worry about with regards to taking a booster every 4 months.

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I really doubt there is nothing
to worry about with regards to taking a booster every 4 months.

Is the double negative intended or accidental?

\%/@rd

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Hello David,

[...]
We all know that lockdowns ravage economies, and the shots ravage
our bodies.

My body doesn't feel ravaged... but I haven't had my booster yet.

The COVID-19 vaccines make you forget.

--Lee

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Hello Dennis,

Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting Systems

https://openvaers.com/

1,859,633

Reports of Vaccine Adverse Events in VAERS

21,002 COVID Vaccine REported Deaths/30,250 Total Reported Deaths

110,609 Total COVID Vaccine Reported Hospitalization/
192,203 Total Reported Hospitalizations

Through December 24, 2021

Accounts for only 1% of vaccine injuries

This is just the data.
Without any commentary.
The statistics speak for themselves.

Reactions, side effects, and long-term effects.
What's the difference?
Funny that none of those companies that manufacture those
COVID-19 vaccinations can tell the difference.
Or maybe they can, but do not want others to know.

Reactions are normal, and usually occur shortly after an individual
has been vaccinated and usually lasts no longer than a few hours, or
days at most. A sore arm, or headache. Nothing more serious.

Side effects are longer term, and are a reaction to the body that
is a bit more than what one would call a normal vaccination reaction,
and are regarded as being more serious, but not permanent.

There are no long-term effects, as it is impossible to separate
long-term effects from side effects. After all, it is impossible
for anybody to determine when side effects will ever stop.

So what do you know what the long-term effects people have
from having taken the COVID-19 vaccination(s)? Is it really
best for people to follow their doctor's advice by getting
a "booster" shot that may or may not help protect them from
COVID-19 or its variants?

The "cure" might very well be worse than the disease.

Whatever stuff is inside those tiny vials, it is no vaccine
against anything. The risks outweigh the benefits, in my opinion.
Especially since we know so very little about what long-term harm
those "vaccines" may have done, or are doing, to our bodies.

Somewhere, the risk/benefit trade off swings the other way I think when
taking "booster" after "booster" (Boosters are the exact same vaccine, we
would be more honest if we just said you had to be revaccinated, instead

of

getting a "booster").

According to these pathology reports it is those "boosters" that
are most dangerous, as they kind of "supercharge" what the first
vaccines have already done. Kind of like shooting yourself a
second time after playing a game of Russian Roulette. The first
time the chances of survival are pretty good, at 5 out of 6.
The second time at 4 out of 6. How many times will an individual
continue to get lucky?

--Lee

I have had two, with no ill effect, but the third, the fourth, the fifth?

Why not? Natural immunity lasts at least six months. With no
vax needed. Or any permanent danger caused by manmade versions.
The difference being that manmade versions can be scheduled.
No more randomness involved. Get the jab, be sick for a day or
two. And after your sore arm and headache have gone away you
can go back to work.

The comparisons to the yearly flu jab that people like to make don't hold. With the flu vaccine you don't take 4 shots with in a year.

Nobody had to take time off work in order to get a flu shot.
And even with COVID-19 vaccines available, those same flu shots
are still available. What we will probably wind up doing is have
shots once a month for the rest of our lives. Not sure if we are
brave enough to do that once a week. But once a month might be
doable.

Anyway, there is nothing to worry about. According to those in
the know, there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Except a few
problems, such as inflammation of the heart. And a few other minor
things.

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-can-covid-vaccines-lead-to-long-term -health-problems/a-59667465


See there? One can never be sure about anything in this messed up
world of ours. And it really is a truly messed up world.

"There is no evidence that reactions can occur at a later stage."
~ A spokesman for Pfizer, quoted in the above article

Telling people that reactions "cannot occur at a later stage" than
a few days after an individual has been vaccinated is a bunch of
horse manure. But those spokespersons have been taught very well by
their masters as to what to tell the general public.

And that is indeed the problem, at what point does the risk/benefit ratio then turn in favour of not taking more "boosters"? I really doubt there is
nothing to worry about with regards to taking a booster every 4 months.

Inflammation of the heart muscle is a long-term effect of the
covid-19 vaccines. Especially in regards to the so-called "booster"
shots. That is what has been shown by German pathology reports.
But Dr. Fauci will never tell you that. The CDC will also never
tell you that. The FDA will also never tell you that.

What do you think will happen when your heart is no longer
strong enough to pump the blood that circulates through your
system?

--Lee

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Reports of Vaccine Adverse Events in VAERS

You really shouldn't help spreading anti-vaxxer propaganda. Have you read the disclaimer on the website? And I mean the *real* VAERS site, not that by some stupid (GOP?) conspiracy theorist.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

Just google "VAERS hoax" and you'll get lots of examples and explanations of how some people don't understand the data and then present their misunderstandings as proof.

Statistics has always been hard for the uneducated to accurately interpret -- hence the saying about the three kinds of lies...

Fact: The C-19 vaccines that originate from the German company BioNTech (most notably Pfizer and Moderna -- the only two that are used in Sweden BTW) are of a type mRNA. It's *not* the usual, old type with a reduced version of the disease, that can cause side effects, living in it. Read more about this revolutionary discovery here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA


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I really doubt there is nothing
to worry about with regards to taking a booster every 4 months.

Is the double negative intended or accidental?

\%/@rd

Intended.

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

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Hello Dennis,

Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting Systems

https://openvaers.com/

1,859,633

Reports of Vaccine Adverse Events in VAERS

21,002 COVID Vaccine REported Deaths/30,250 Total Reported Deaths

110,609 Total COVID Vaccine Reported Hospitalization/
192,203 Total Reported Hospitalizations

Through December 24, 2021

Accounts for only 1% of vaccine injuries

This is just the data.
Without any commentary.
The statistics speak for themselves.

Reactions, side effects, and long-term effects.
What's the difference?
Funny that none of those companies that manufacture those
COVID-19 vaccinations can tell the difference.
Or maybe they can, but do not want others to know.

Reactions are normal, and usually occur shortly after an individual
has been vaccinated and usually lasts no longer than a few hours, or
days at most. A sore arm, or headache. Nothing more serious.

Side effects are longer term, and are a reaction to the body that
is a bit more than what one would call a normal vaccination reaction,
and are regarded as being more serious, but not permanent.

There are no long-term effects, as it is impossible to separate
long-term effects from side effects. After all, it is impossible
for anybody to determine when side effects will ever stop.

So what do you know what the long-term effects people have
from having taken the COVID-19 vaccination(s)? Is it really
best for people to follow their doctor's advice by getting
a "booster" shot that may or may not help protect them from
COVID-19 or its variants?

The "cure" might very well be worse than the disease.

Whatever stuff is inside those tiny vials, it is no vaccine
against anything. The risks outweigh the benefits, in my opinion.
Especially since we know so very little about what long-term harm
those "vaccines" may have done, or are doing, to our bodies.

Somewhere, the risk/benefit trade off swings the other way I think when
taking "booster" after "booster" (Boosters are the exact same vaccine, we
would be more honest if we just said you had to be revaccinated, instead

of

getting a "booster").

According to these pathology reports it is those "boosters" that
are most dangerous, as they kind of "supercharge" what the first
vaccines have already done. Kind of like shooting yourself a
second time after playing a game of Russian Roulette. The first
time the chances of survival are pretty good, at 5 out of 6.
The second time at 4 out of 6. How many times will an individual
continue to get lucky?

--Lee

I have had two, with no ill effect, but the third, the fourth, the fifth?

Why not? Natural immunity lasts at least six months. With no
vax needed. Or any permanent danger caused by manmade versions.
The difference being that manmade versions can be scheduled.
No more randomness involved. Get the jab, be sick for a day or
two. And after your sore arm and headache have gone away you
can go back to work.

The comparisons to the yearly flu jab that people like to make don't hold. With the flu vaccine you don't take 4 shots with in a year.

Nobody had to take time off work in order to get a flu shot.
And even with COVID-19 vaccines available, those same flu shots
are still available. What we will probably wind up doing is have
shots once a month for the rest of our lives. Not sure if we are
brave enough to do that once a week. But once a month might be
doable.

Anyway, there is nothing to worry about. According to those in
the know, there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Except a few problems, such as inflammation of the heart. And a few other minor
things.

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-can-covid-vaccines-lead-to-long-term -health-problems/a-59667465

See there? One can never be sure about anything in this messed up
world of ours. And it really is a truly messed up world.

"There is no evidence that reactions can occur at a later stage."
~ A spokesman for Pfizer, quoted in the above article

Telling people that reactions "cannot occur at a later stage" than
a few days after an individual has been vaccinated is a bunch of
horse manure. But those spokespersons have been taught very well by
their masters as to what to tell the general public.

And that is indeed the problem, at what point does the risk/benefit ratio then turn in favour of not taking more "boosters"? I really doubt there

is

nothing to worry about with regards to taking a booster every 4 months.

Inflammation of the heart muscle is a long-term effect of the
covid-19 vaccines. Especially in regards to the so-called "booster"
shots. That is what has been shown by German pathology reports.
But Dr. Fauci will never tell you that. The CDC will also never
tell you that. The FDA will also never tell you that.

What do you think will happen when your heart is no longer
strong enough to pump the blood that circulates through your
system?

--Lee

Here is the important point. Are we safer with it, or without it. I would think, for the most part, the balance is in favour of vaccines. As I once said to an anti-vaxxer years ago (they were actually anti-vax), "If EVERYTHING you say about vaccines is true, it is STILL better than the 50% child mortality and disease we used to have".

Its complicated, because you have to weigh up other risk-management techniques such as quarantine, lockdowns, distancing etc, but even if the vaccine is directly responsible for, lets say for argument, 5,000 deaths, if as a result 1,000,000 did NOT die, is that not still better?


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On 4/01/2022 05:13, Lee Lofaso : David Drummond wrote:

 LL>>> [...]
 LL>>> We all know that lockdowns ravage economies, and the shots ravage
 LL>>> our bodies.

 DD>> My body doesn't feel ravaged... but I haven't had my booster yet.

The COVID-19 vaccines make you forget.

Forget what?

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On 4/01/2022 13:18, Dennis Katsonis : Lee Lofaso wrote:

[...]
Its complicated, because you have to weigh up other risk-management techniques
such as quarantine, lockdowns, distancing etc, but even if the vaccine is directly responsible for, lets say for argument, 5,000 deaths, if as a result > 1,000,000 did NOT die, is that not still better?

I posture a similar argument when persons say that the vaccine is only 60% (or what ever number) effective.

Surely that is 60% better than not having it?

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David

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Hello Bj”rn,

Reports of Vaccine Adverse Events in VAERS

You really shouldn't help spreading anti-vaxxer propaganda. Have you read the disclaimer on the website? And I mean the *real* VAERS site, not that by some stupid (GOP?) conspiracy theorist.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

I got it from the same guy who says high cholesterol is good for you.
So whatever he says has to be credible. But hey. Don't take my word for
it. Just look at Donald J. Trump and how trim and fit he is. That is
what high cholesterol does to a person that age.

Just google "VAERS hoax" and you'll get lots of examples and explanations of
how some people don't understand the data and then present their misunderstandings as proof.

Taking horse medicine prevents COVID-19. Africans have been taking
it for years in order to get rid of the worms in their drinking water.
The added benefit of it making them immune from COVID-19 is a plus
for them that should be noted by the rest of the world. But our
experts in the health fields will not allow us to take that stuff,
on fake claims that it would kill us.

Statistics has always been hard for the uneducated to accurately interpret -- hence the saying about the three kinds of lies...

How to lie with statistics. Somebody wrote a book about that.
Put it online for free so everybody could read it without cost.

Fact: The C-19 vaccines that originate from the German company BioNTech (most notably Pfizer and Moderna -- the only two that are used in Sweden BTW) are of a type mRNA. It's *not* the usual, old type with a reduced version of the disease, that can cause side effects, living in it. Read more about this revolutionary discovery here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA

Whatever happened to good old-fashioned American ingenuity?
Didn't America save the world a few times? Aside from Superman?

Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

Just think what the world would be like had Superman been German.

--Lee

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Whatever happened to good old-fashioned American ingenuity?

That's an easy one. It all amounts to IP (intellectual property) theft. Usually in the form of patent trolls.

"What's in it for me" is the capitalist mantra, not "what can I do for my country" -- or even humanity.

Remember the guy who refused to patent his discovery of penicillin? Scottish scientist Alexander Fleming refused to patent it, he wanted it to benefit the entire humanity. Do you think a US scientist would ever do such a thing?



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Hello Bj”rn,

On Tuesday January 04 2022 15:14, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

Remember the guy who refused to patent his discovery of penicillin? Scottish scientist Alexander Fleming refused to patent it, he wanted
it to benefit the entire humanity. Do you think a US scientist would
ever do such a thing?

A US /scientist/ might very well try. But his/her boss or the boss of his/her boss would see to it that it gets patented anyway. One way or another.


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MvdV> A US /scientist/ might very well try. But his/her boss or the boss of
MvdV> his/her boss would see to it that it gets patented anyway. One way or
MvdV> another.

Maybe. But the fact of the matter is, that almost every new discovery comes from taxpayer funded universities (socialism) -- including the revolutionary mRNA discovery.

One way or another, all those discoveries seem to quietly slide away into some corporations, more often than not created by one or more of the involved scientists. Not only in the US...

Ah well, as we all know, socialism is evil, egotism is the new God.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Long forgotten, wise words from a former POTUS with great speech writers.


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Hello David!

04 Jan 22 14:13, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

The COVID-19 vaccines make you forget.

Forget what?

We forgot!

Andrew

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Hello David,

[...]
We all know that lockdowns ravage economies, and the shots ravage
our bodies.

My body doesn't feel ravaged... but I haven't had my booster yet.

The COVID-19 vaccines make you forget.

Forget what?

I forgot.

--Lee

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David Drummond wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

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On 4/01/2022 13:18, Dennis Katsonis : Lee Lofaso wrote:

[...]
Its complicated, because you have to weigh up other risk-management techniques
such as quarantine, lockdowns, distancing etc, but even if the vaccine is directly responsible for, lets say for argument, 5,000 deaths, if as a result > 1,000,000 did NOT die, is that not still better?

I posture a similar argument when persons say that the vaccine is only
60% (or what ever number) effective.

Surely that is 60% better than not having it?

Two factors to consider.

60% of what? If you are young, healthy, that is 60% of a very, very low number anyway.

Secondly, are there any other risks which are increasing. By mitigating one risk (COVID-19), are you introducing any new ones?

Basic Risk Management.

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Hello Bj”rn,

Whatever happened to good old-fashioned American ingenuity?

That's an easy one. It all amounts to IP (intellectual property) theft. Usually in the form of patent trolls.

Everything should be Open Source.

"What's in it for me" is the capitalist mantra, not "what can I do for my country" -- or even humanity.

Music is intended to be a shared experience. Between entertainer
and audience. With nothing to share, there can be no experience for
anyone. Except if one is interested only in talking to the hand.

Remember the guy who refused to patent his discovery of penicillin? Scottish
scientist Alexander Fleming refused to patent it, he wanted it to benefit the entire humanity. Do you think a US scientist would ever do such a thing?

K6BP

--Lee

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Hi, David Drummond!
I read your message from 01.01.2022 16:13

LL>> We all know that lockdowns ravage economies, and the shots
LL>> ravage our bodies.
DD> My body doesn't feel ravaged... but I haven't had my booster
DD> yet.

Many things about vaccination now are in the field of psychiatry. For instance, crazy guys demand Jokovich to be expelled from Australia Open because he is not vaccinated, even when he had proved he is well and
sound using multiple PCRs, which is a scientific mean of diagnostic.

Bye, David!
Alexander Koryagin
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On 7/01/2022 04:19, alexander koryagin : David Drummond wrote:

  LL>> We all know that lockdowns ravage economies, and the shots ravage our bodies.
  DD> My body doesn't feel ravaged... but I haven't had my booster yet.

Many things about vaccination now are in the field of psychiatry. For instance, crazy guys demand Jokovich to be expelled from Australia Open because he is not vaccinated, even when he had proved he is well and
sound using multiple PCRs, which is a scientific mean of diagnostic.

Has he had "multiple PCR tests"? That is not being reported here.

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David

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Hi, David Drummond!
I read your message from 07.01.2022 10:33

ak>> LL>> We all know that lockdowns ravage economies, and the shots
ak>> ravage our bodies. DD> My body doesn't feel ravaged... but I
ak>> haven't had my booster yet.

ak>> Many things about vaccination now are in the field of psychiatry.
ak>> For instance, crazy guys demand Jokovich to be expelled from
ak>> Australia Open because he is not vaccinated, even when he had
ak>> proved he is well and sound using multiple PCRs, which is a
ak>> scientific mean of diagnostic.

DD> Has he had "multiple PCR tests"? That is not being reported here.

Now PCR test is a usual and reliable practice when somebody want to
enter in any country of the world. BTW, many countries ask PCR even for vaccinated people and it is a right thing to do, because vaccinated
people are sick with covid in easy form, and they never go to the
hospital because of it. And they are covid viruse containers.

As for "several" -- the best way to be sure about a man safety is to
make PCR several times, it done in the latest Olympics games for instances.

Bye, David!
Alexander Koryagin
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