No more contributions from the troll-factory in St.Petersburg?

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No more contributions from the troll-factory in St.Petersburg?

I hope that you are not missing them? After all, for us in the know, it was like shooting fish in a barrel.

And I hope that my actions behind the curtains were part of deracinating the vermin from this echo.



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No more contributions from the troll-factory in St.Petersburg?

I hope that you are not missing them? After all, for us in the know,
it was like shooting fish in a barrel.

Kinda miss it ... after all let's not forget Dossche's Law #17 ...

"Lying is an ultimate form of free speech"

... and we are all for free speech ... right ?

And I hope that my actions behind the curtains were part of
deracinating the vermin from this echo.

Sun Tzu would be of a different opinion ...

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 05.04.2022 14:09

WD> No more contributions from the troll-factory in St.Petersburg?
WD> \%/@rd

From Moscow with love. :) Should I say that the isolated Russia will
repeat the path of isolated Germany after WW1 and create a big, powerful industry and military? ;-)

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday April 06 2022 08:35, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

From Moscow with love. :) Should I say that the isolated Russia will repeat the path of isolated Germany after WW1 and create a big,
powerful industry and military? ;-)

Germany had big powerfull industry/military before the WW1. The problem with Russia is that we cannot do that alone.
100 years ago we paid a lot to US companies to build many modern factories across the Russia, who's gonna help us now?

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello alexander!

06 Apr 22 08:35, alexander koryagin wrote to Ward Dossche:

From Moscow with love. :) Should I say that the isolated Russia will repeat the path of isolated Germany after WW1 and create a big,
powerful
industry and military? ;-)

Good to know that you think you don't have that right now.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Alexander,

No more contributions from the troll-factory in St.Petersburg?

From Moscow with love. :) Should I say that the isolated Russia will
repeat the path of isolated Germany after WW1 and create a big, powerful industry and military? ;-)

The only true way to a lasting peace has been demonstrated by Europe and the EU ... economic cooperation and trade ... uplifting the economy of the neighbours, not sucking it empty.

The EU was created to force eternal foes France and Germany to function together. They historically had a war every 20-30 years and since the creation of the nucleus of the EU in the late-1940s if there was a conflict it was so boring nobody paid attention ... nobody got killed ...

One day Russia needs to try that too ... it works ... I don't think Russians are bad people, it's the leadership that needs to change ... it's still a central system like in the days of Brezhnev and before ... no democracy, no free press, no free speech and gulags ...

So who runs the show? Even Putin needs help to do what he does ... or maybe he is a puppet of the regime which tells him how to act and he's just a useful pawn ...

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 06.04.2022 09:29

ak>> From Moscow with love.:) Should I say that the isolated
ak>> Russia will repeat the path of isolated Germany after WW1
ak>> and create a big, powerful industry and military?;-)
DP> Germany had big powerfull industry/military before the WW1. The
DP> problem with Russia is that we cannot do that alone. 100 years
DP> ago we paid a lot to US companies to build many modern
DP> factories across the Russia, who's gonna help us now?

Russia/The USSR also had a powerful industry/military. Germany restored
its potential in 10 years, exactly when it became isolated. Besides,
China will help us. It knows that if they don't, they will be next. ;-)

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Alexander,

Russia/The USSR also had a powerful industry/military. Germany restored
its potential in 10 years, exactly when it became isolated. Besides,
China will help us. It knows that if they don't, they will be next. ;-)

Dream on ...

The Russian economy is about the same size as the 3 Benelux-countries combined (Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands).

The Russian army consists of paid soldiers, they need a salary which needs to be generated by the rest of the country while the soldiers themselves produce nothing... Just wait until the state cannot pay their wages anymore...

As for its military ... the last 5 to 6 weeks have demonstrated it cannot even defeat a relatively small (compared to its own size) country with an army where a lot of un-trained volunteers and grandfathers have taken-up weapons. If it's not a rocket, you don't have the power ... not on land, not at sea and not in the air. The Osetian units have refused to murder and went home ... and now the murderous bastards have also withdrawn fearing their own demise otherwise...

And don't count on China ... people will be speaking Chinese quicker on Red Square than Russian on Tiananmen Square...

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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday April 06 2022 12:01, you wrote to me:

Germany had big powerfull industry/military before the WW1. The
problem with Russia is that we cannot do that alone. 100 years
ago we paid a lot to US companies to build many modern
factories across the Russia, who's gonna help us now?

Russia/The USSR also had a powerful industry/military. Germany

Had when?

restored its potential in 10 years, exactly when it became isolated.

It wasn't isolated.

Besides, China will help us. It knows that if they don't, they will be next. ;-)

Do you know that Huawei already stopped sending new network equipment to Russia?


Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 06.04.2022 10:41

WD>>> No more contributions from the troll-factory in St. Petersburg?
ak>> From Moscow with love. :) Should I say that the isolated Russia
ak>> will repeat the path of isolated Germany after WW1 and create a
ak>> big, powerful industry and military? ;-)

WD> The only true way to a lasting peace has been demonstrated by
WD> Europe and the EU... economic cooperation and trade... uplifting
WD> the economy of the neighbours, not sucking it empty.

But what does define the might of the EU? The territory is much less
than the one of Russia, natural resources are scarce. Most of the EU
countries are spongers, taken in for political reasons and resemble loud frogs. There are actually two big economies of Germany and France, maybe Italy. Russia provides itself with food, its resources are so big that
Russia could even allow itself do not develop its own industry for many
years, spending the money from selling resources for God only knows
what. Is Russia able to catch up the industrially developed countries?
Why not? Today the information about technologies is accessible, so
repeating the steps will be much easy. Look at the Mask's rockets, for instance. Russia has created its rockets for decades, but times changed
and Mask created its own for a few years. The main problem is how to
find talented people and be defended from thieves, swindlers and fools.

WD> The EU was created to force eternal foes France and Germany to
WD> function together. They historically had a war every 20-30 years
WD> and since the creation of the nucleus of the EU in the late-1940s
WD> if there was a conflict it was so boring nobody paid attention...
WD> nobody got killed...

Yes, the fusion of these economies created a powerful union, nobody argues.

WD> One day Russia needs to try that too... it works... I don't think
WD> Russians are bad people, it's the leadership that needs to
WD> change... it's still a central system like in the days of Brezhnev
WD> and before... no democracy, no free press, no free speech and
WD> gulags...

You forgot that Germany of 193x also did not have democracy.Linking
Russia's economy to the western import has made the country weak. With
Putin or without him Russia should be more independent and the current shake-up can help. I remember an old anecdote about a Russian man:

Fascists caught up a Russian partisan and before shooting him down asked
him for his last wish. "Kick me in the ass as strong as you can," said
the partisan. The fascists wondered but did it. The partisan cried, then snatched the machine-gun from a fascist's hands and killed them all." In
other words, Russians need a heavy stimulus to start working well. ;-)

WD> So who runs the show? Even Putin needs help to do what he does...
WD> or maybe he is a puppet of the regime which tells him how to act
WD> and he's just a useful pawn...

I have already said that IMHO Russia resembles a human with human immunodeficiency virus. A political AIDS, as I put it. The security
forces started do a wrong work and destroy the things they should not.
It is a real catch 22, when a criminal and defender are in one person.

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello Bj�rn,

No more contributions from the troll-factory in St.Petersburg?

I hope that you are not missing them? After all, for us in the know, it was
like shooting fish in a barrel.

And I hope that my actions behind the curtains were part of deracinating the
vermin from this echo.

I must take issue with you, dear sir.

There are many fine Russians, even in Russia. None of whom are trolls
of any kind. They may not be able to express themselves freely, or even
be aware of our presence in Fidonet. And then there are many Russians
who have left Russia proper for greener pastures. Some of whom may not
have ever heard of Fidonet. As such, we should never exclude any of
those fine people from our presence, but rather invite them all to come
in and join the fun.

Just because Vladimir Putin was mayor of St. Petersburg a long time
ago does not mean that everybody loves the man for what he did then or
for what he is doing today.

Please do keep that in mind.

Thanks in advance.

--Lee

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As such, we should never ...

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Hello Ward,

As such, we should never ...

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Please explain the "we" ... as you don't have a nodenumber, you yourself are
not part of "us" and therefor the "we" is inappropriate..

Glady, my dear friend.

"We" in the free world, inclusive of all sysops and sysop wannabes,
welcome all to play, not just a select few. That is the beauty of
Fidonet, which has always been known as an inclusive rather than an
exclusive club. I like that. :)

--Lee

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 06.04.2022 13:07

DP>>> Germany had big powerfull industry/military before the
DP>>> WW1. The problem with Russia is that we cannot do that
DP>>> alone. 100 years ago we paid a lot to US companies to
DP>>> build many modern factories across the Russia, who's
DP>>> gonna help us now?
ak>> Russia/The USSR also had a powerful industry/military.
ak>> Germany
DP> Had when?

When the western world was afraid of the USSR power. ;-)

ak>> restored its potential in 10 years, exactly when it became
ak>> isolated.
DP> It wasn't isolated.

Yes, the USSR was its biggest market and it helped Germany in many ways.

ak>> Besides, China will help us. It knows that if they don't,
ak>> they will be next. ;-)
DP> Do you know that Huawei already stopped sending new network
DP> equipment to Russia?

Was if taken from a Ukrainian blogger page and from some reliable source?

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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"We" in the free world, inclusive of all sysops and sysop wannabes,
welcome all to play, not just a select few. That is the beauty of
Fidonet, which has always been known as an inclusive rather than an exclusive club. I like that. :)

No, you are not allowed to play ... you just post stuff ... you don't participate in Fidonet.

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Hello, alexander!

Thursday April 07 2022 08:45, you wrote to me:

Russia/The USSR also had a powerful industry/military.
Germany

Had when?

When the western world was afraid of the USSR power. ;-)

50-70s? It was already very much behind the West. In 70s food stamps started to appear in soviet cities.

restored its potential in 10 years, exactly when it became
isolated.

It wasn't isolated.

Yes, the USSR was its biggest market and it helped Germany in many
ways.

No, USSR wasn't bigget market for Germany.

Besides, China will help us. It knows that if they don't,
they will be next. ;-)

Do you know that Huawei already stopped sending new network
equipment to Russia?

Was if taken from a Ukrainian blogger page and from some reliable
source?

From Huawei customers in Russia (Rostelecom, for example).
It's in the news already:
https://habr.com/ru/news/t/658781/

We are in deep shit.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello Ward,

"We" in the free world, inclusive of all sysops and sysop wannabes,
welcome all to play, not just a select few. That is the beauty of
Fidonet, which has always been known as an inclusive rather than an
exclusive club. I like that. :)

No, you are not allowed to play ... you just post stuff ... you don't participate in Fidonet.

You mean to tell me, after all these years, I am not a player?
Please tell me you are joking. You are joking. Aren't you?

--Lee

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Hi, Ward!

06 ��� 22 12:03, Ward Dossche -> alexander koryagin:

As for its military ... the last 5 to 6 weeks have demonstrated it
cannot even defeat a relatively small (compared to its own size)
country with an army where a lot of un-trained volunteers and
grandfathers have taken-up weapons.

Stop watching TV. ;)
The Ukrainian army has long been far from the monkeys with sticks that they were about ten years ago. And the "volunteers" during this time went through American training camps in Western Ukraine and are well equipped.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 07.04.2022 15:04

ak>>>> Russia/The USSR also had a powerful industry/military. Germany
DP>>> Had when?

ak>> When the western world was afraid of the USSR power. ;-)

DP> 50-70s? It was already very much behind the West. In 70s food
DP> stamps started to appear in soviet cities.

There was the deficit of some products mainly because of their low cost.
When Gaydar came to power he mended it easily - the prices had sky
rocketed and Oh miracle! - sausage started its constant presence in
shops! ;-)

<skipped>
ak>>>> Besides, China will help us. It knows that if they don't, they
ak>>>> will be next. ;-)
DP>>> Do you know that Huawei already stopped sending new network
DP>>> equipment to Russia?

ak>> Was if taken from a Ukrainian blogger page and from some reliable
ak>> source?

DP> From Huawei customers in Russia (Rostelecom, for example). It's in
DP> the news already:
DP> https://habr.com/ru/news/t/658781/

DP> We are in deep shit.

There are many holes. If you forgot China actively helps the North Korea
in violation to many sanctions.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Stas Mishchenkov!
I read your message from 08.04.2022 07:37

WD>> As for its military ... the last 5 to 6 weeks have
WD>> demonstrated it cannot even defeat a relatively small
WD>> (compared to its own size) country with an army where a lot
WD>> of un-trained volunteers and grandfathers have taken-up
WD>> weapons.
SM> Stop watching TV. ;)
SM> The Ukrainian army has long been far from the monkeys with
SM> sticks that they were about ten years ago. And the "volunteers"
SM> during this time went through American training camps in Western
SM> Ukraine and are well equipped.

It's only a pity that Ukraine doesn't have people with some brains who
was able to prevent this war. ;-\

Bye, Stas!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello Stas,

The Ukrainian army has long been far from the monkeys with sticks that
they were about ten years ago. And the "volunteers" during this time went through American training camps in Western Ukraine and are well equipped.

Let me put it this way ... you probably are correct that an haphazard militia cannot inflict the damage which Ukrainian forces have inflicted. For the moment I am not buying the American training camps ... just training camps ...

The things is that from Belgium, which is a small country, a bunch of Ukrainian immigrants from before the Russian assault (even second generation) left for Ukraine without formal training to join the fighting ... fighters went from several countries ... even military people ... there's the case here of some generic Belgians who also went to the Ukraine.

Anyway, I think there's a serious issue with the command structure of the Russian army ... in the Tschernobyl "Red Forrest" they dug trenches ... exposing those soldiers to radiation disease from which they'll die 5-10 years from now. They won't be counted in the casualty statistics though.

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Hello, alexander!

Friday April 08 2022 08:57, you wrote to me:

50-70s? It was already very much behind the West. In 70s food
stamps started to appear in soviet cities.

There was the deficit of some products mainly because of their low
cost. When Gaydar came to power he mended it easily - the prices had

Like shortage of cars, for example? :)) They were very expensive.

sky rocketed and Oh miracle! - sausage started its constant presence
in shops! ;-)

And he allowed import by private companies. Also USA and Germany sent a lot of free stuff as humanitarian help.

From Huawei customers in Russia (Rostelecom, for example). It's
in the news already:
https://habr.com/ru/news/t/658781/

We are in deep shit.

There are many holes. If you forgot China actively helps the North
Korea in violation to many sanctions.

So why Huawei already betrayed us? :)

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Ward!

08 ��� 22 08:29, Ward Dossche -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Let me put it this way ... you probably are correct that an haphazard militia cannot inflict the damage which Ukrainian forces have
inflicted.

You and I cannot know who, to whom, what damage actually caused.

For the moment I am not buying the American training camps ... just training camps ...

Have you forgotten that I am stating only what I have learned from people I know personally? Eyewitnesses speak of American instructors.

The things is that from Belgium, which is a small country, a bunch of Ukrainian immigrants from before the Russian assault (even second generation) left for Ukraine without formal training to join the fighting ... fighters went from several countries ... even military people ... there's the case here of some generic Belgians who also went to the Ukraine.

This is at least not smart on their part and completely useless from a military point of view. Perhaps the exception can only be narrow specialists like snipers.

Anyway, I think there's a serious issue with the command structure of
the Russian army ... in the Tschernobyl "Red Forrest" they dug
trenches ... exposing those soldiers to radiation disease from which they'll die 5-10 years from now.

How did you know about it? ;)

They won't be counted in the casualty statistics though.

Quite possible.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hello, Stas!

Saturday April 09 2022 09:29, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

For the moment I am not buying the American training camps ...
just training camps ...

Have you forgotten that I am stating only what I have learned from
people I know personally? Eyewitnesses speak of American instructors.

I've talked to many former soviet military advisors from Middle East and at some point started to double check their stories. Most of them were fake.
It's something "proud" for russian/soviet military personnel to lie as much as possible, they call it "military stratagem".

They same goes to almost everyone in Russian government, starting from Putin who lies every day, like he lied about invasion to Ukraine.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Dmitry!

09 ��� 22 11:29, Dmitry Protasoff -> Stas Mishchenkov:

For the moment I am not buying the American training camps ...
just training camps ...

Have you forgotten that I am stating only what I have learned from
people I know personally? Eyewitnesses speak of American instructors.

I've talked to many former soviet military advisors from Middle East and at some point started to double check their stories. Most of them were fake. It's something "proud" for russian/soviet military personnel to lie as much as possible, they call it "military stratagem".

They same goes to almost everyone in Russian government, starting from Putin who lies every day, like he lied about invasion to Ukraine.

What is all this bullshit here for?

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hello, Stas!

Saturday April 09 2022 12:06, you wrote to me:

They same goes to almost everyone in Russian government, starting
from Putin who lies every day, like he lied about invasion to
Ukraine.

What is all this bullshit here for?

This is called freedom of speech, something that we in Russia don't have anymore.
A lot of people in Russia are in shock about how stupid and deceitful Putin was when he started this bloody war under completely false pretext.
NATO and USA wasn't a reason, it was a desire to prevent Ukraine from detaching itself from dillusional Putin's "Russian world" which he is trying to create.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Dmitry!

09 ��� 22 18:44, Dmitry Protasoff -> Stas Mishchenkov:

What is all this bullshit here for?

This is called freedom of speech,

Free speech and throwing shit on a fan are somewhat different concepts.

something that we in Russia don't have anymore.

How is it not? There you are, right here in the international echo and still at liberty. ;)
It seems that you are trying to hang pasta on the ears of respected gentlemen and ladies in a extra perverted way. ;)

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hello, Stas!

Saturday April 09 2022 20:33, you wrote to me:

This is called freedom of speech,

Free speech and throwing shit on a fan are somewhat different
concepts.

Killing people is even worse. And doing some "explanations" why this is right - is something unacceptable.

something that we in Russia don't have anymore.

How is it not? There you are, right here in the international echo and

I am not in Moscow anymore, some of my friends are jailed already for peacefull protests against this war.
Some went away last moment and under criminal investigation already for protecting people rights (from OVD-Info).

still at liberty. ;) It seems that you are trying to hang pasta on the ears of respected gentlemen and ladies in a extra perverted way. ;)

Sounds like you are trying to paint some nice pictures when we are in full scale downshift into totalitarian fascist state.


Best regards,
dp.

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