���ண� �६�窠, All.

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-the-pentagons-ukraine-biolab-talking-points-are-an-utter-lie.amp

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Oleg,

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-the-pentagons-ukraine-biolab-ta lking-points-are-an-utter-lie.amp

Foxnews ... Puhlease ... nobody watches that unless one supports Trump in all his fantasies ...

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points-are-an-utter-lie.amp

Fox news is an integral part of the kremlins propaganda machine. You didn't know that?

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 30.03.22 21:24:

Foxnews ... Puhlease ... nobody watches that
unless one supports Trump in all his
fantasies ...

You are impenetrable while you are still lying on your sofas. Meanwhile, the prices are going up for you, not for us ;) In Russia, even precious metals are falling in value.

And yes - we attacked a sovereign country, do not forget. It is unclear why we are feeding the people of Kiev and all the other enemies. Remember, no one fed Yugoslavia or Iraq, or Kuwait, or Vietnam, or Japan and Korea. This must be a cunning plan of Kremlin propaganda ;)

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You are impenetrable while you are still lying on your sofas. Meanwhile, the prices are going up for you, not for us ;)

That's not true but believe what you like.

In Russia, even precious metals are falling in value.

See what I mean?

And yes - we attacked a sovereign country, do not forget.

Nobody will forget.

It is unclear why we are feeding the people of Kiev and all the other enemies.

You are not feeding anyone. You are killing civilians and destroying civil structures.

Remember, no one fed Yugoslavia or Iraq, or Kuwait,

Do you know what happened in Iraq and Kuwait?

That was another invasion of a sovereign nation.

or Vietnam, or Japan and Korea. This must be a cunning plan of Kremlin propaganda ;)

Could be. ;)

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Remember, no one fed Yugoslavia or Iraq, or Kuwait, or Vietnam, or Japan Korea. This must be a cunning plan of Kremlin propaganda ;)

How about events in Chechnya?

https://youtu.be/SF8RX6y18cg

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And yes - we attacked a sovereign country, do not forget. It is unclear
why we are feeding the people of Kiev and all the other enemies.
Remember, no one fed Yugoslavia or Iraq, or Kuwait, or Vietnam, or Japan and Korea. This must be a cunning plan of Kremlin propaganda ;)

It must be because our reporters in Kiev and other places don't see the feeding of the people by Russia ...

... not even those reporters which report on events from the Russian side.

Never knew propaganda had become so embedded in Russian daily life.

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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 31.03.22 0:36:

Remember, no one fed Yugoslavia or Iraq, or
Kuwait, or Vietnam, or Japan Korea. This
must be a cunning plan of Kremlin
propaganda ;)

How about events in Chechnya?

What about Chechnya? Do you want to compare? In Chechnya, since the late 80s and early 90s, after the collapse of the USSR, the Russians were slaughtered - families, neighborhoods, guts wrapped around the fences, cut throats like cattle. People who had lived there for centuries and built factories there for the population of Chechnya and the prosperity of the republic. Terrorists have blown up apartment buildings all over Russia, including the capital, taking hundreds of children hostage. The terrorists' demands are a separate state, Ichkeria, which has never existed on the world map before.
Do you know the difference between terrorism and Nazism?
In Chechnya the Russians bombed only one city, Grozny, and then the terrorists retreated into the mountainous regions where they fought. Apart from the Chechens themselves there was a mass of world-famous Arab terrorists. At the same time all the inhabitants of the republic continued to receive pensions, allowances, and humanitarian aid at Russia's expense (as has always been the case).
If anything, I lived in Grozny, half of my family was from there.

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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 30.03.22 23:32:

You are impenetrable while you are still
lying on your sofas. Meanwhile, the prices
are going up for you, not for us ;)

That's not true but believe what you like.

We read your own press and watch your TV news ;) are they Kremlin agents too? In all of Europe? ;)

It is unclear why we are feeding the people
of Kiev and all the other enemies.

You are not feeding anyone. You are killing
civilians and destroying civil structures.

None of your favorite NATO member states has shipped humanitarian supplies to bombed countries on far-fetched pretexts. Russia did, is doing, and will continue to do so. So mister - you are lying.

Remember, no one fed Yugoslavia or Iraq, or
Kuwait,

Do you know what happened in Iraq and
Kuwait?

We still see it today, the whole world. But this will no longer save the West.

That was another invasion of a sovereign
nation.

Oh, so this is "different"? Tell that to the Iraqi civilians who died under a month of carpet bombing. And the Serbs, and the Vietnamese. Especially don't forget all the residents of the two Japanese cities. It's different for them, you see....


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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 30.03.22 21:24:

Foxnews ... Puhlease ... nobody watches that
unless one supports Trump in all his
fantasies ...

As your colleague here put it - the Kremlin has the whole world under its thumb, all your Western press are our agents. So, live with it now, "free" Europe ;)

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As your colleague here put it - the Kremlin has the whole world under its thumb, all your Western press are our agents. So, live with it now,
"free" Europe ;)

Well, whatever ... just please enjoy ...

* World championships football without Russia
* Olympics without Russia
* Whatever big sports-event ... no Russia
* Eurosong without Russia
* Champions' League without Russia
* The list of "No more Russia" is very long ...

Navelstaring is due to become your new national sport ...


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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 31.03.22 12:30:

* World championships football without
Russia * Olympics without Russia * Whatever
big sports-event ... no Russia * Eurosong
without Russia * Champions' League without
Russia * The list of "No more Russia" is
very long ...

Without Russia, it's all a contest for the handicapped ;)

Navelstaring is due to become your new
national sport ...

We can do just fine with the internal competition of the CIS and BRICS.

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Without Russia, it's all a contest for the handicapped ;)

At least you have a kind of a sense of humor....

... you also forgot to say that without Russia, all these sporting competitions are largely dope-free ...

Last week dope-free world championships figure skating without the doped Russian contenders. Holy smoke ... even a Belgian athlete won a medal during a clean competition ...

Navelstaring is due to become your new
national sport ...

We can do just fine with the internal competition of the CIS and BRICS.

I'll admit, they have some beautiful navels to stare at ...

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 31.03.22 11:47:

It must be because our reporters in Kiev and
other places don't see the feeding of the
people by Russia ...

They are double agents, no different. What they want to show is what they see. And the same about your life in the West now ;)
Are the stock exchanges also Kremlin agents? ;)))

... not even those reporters which report on
events from the Russian side.

There's a lot you don't know about Russia. Practically nothing.

Never knew propaganda had become so embedded
in Russian daily life.

So what about your press? I'm embarrassed to ask - do you believe it or not? ;) Because strange Kremlin agents turn out - both ours and yours are shooting themselves in the heels in spite of the whole world ;)

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 31.03.22 14:21:

Without Russia, it's all a contest for the
handicapped ;)

At least you have a kind of a sense of
humor....

We are making fun of the West as a nation right now ;)

... you also forgot to say that without
Russia, all these sporting competitions are
largely dope-free ...

As long as there is no real opponent - relax ;)

Last week dope-free world championships
figure skating without the doped Russian
contenders. Holy smoke ... even a Belgian
athlete won a medal during a clean
competition ...

When your government is not even through one junkie - accusing the strongest one of doping has become a tradition. It didn't happen now - the West has hated Russia for thousands of years.

I'll admit, they have some beautiful navels
to stare at ...

Get used to speaking for yourself, it is extremely useful to look in the mirror ...

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There's a lot you don't know about Russia. Practically nothing.

I know that your beer sucks ... that says a lot about Russia.

Oh yeah ... and people still file along the corpse of a 100yr old dead body whose nose broke-off and they had to glue it back in place ...

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When your government is not even through one junkie - accusing the strongest one of doping has become a tradition. It didn't happen now -
the West has hated Russia for thousands of years.

The Russian anti-doping agency has been caught with its pants down to such an extent that Russia as a country was already barred from several events. Even that beautiful young skater Ludmilla Something ... she may have been good, she was also caught with the wrong stuff in her pipi ... "Aw, I must've taken a sip from my grandpa's tea" ... state sponsored terrorism, state sponsored doping, even trying to bribe countries in Eurosong ... something so silly ...

I'll admit, they have some beautiful navels ON>WD> to stare at ...

Get used to speaking for yourself, it is extremely useful to look in the mirror ...

I think the mirror will refuse to reproduce the image.

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Hello Ward,

On Thursday March 31 2022 14:21, you wrote to Oleg Nazaroff:

I'll admit, they have some beautiful navels to stare at ...

Don't feed the trolls...


Cheers, Michiel

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Michiel,

I'll admit, they have some beautiful navels to stare at ...

Don't feed the trolls...

You are right, but here's a troll thinking he can win over someone with that nonsense ...

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You are right, but here's a troll thinking he can win over someone with that nonsense ...

Those professional trolls are trained to ignore facts, so that's a futile enterprise.

BTW, I think you've already spotted the other one (judging by a previous comment)?



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Hello Alan,

[..]

Do you know what happened in Iraq and Kuwait?

That was another invasion of a sovereign nation.

Iraq invaded Kuwait. Then a coalition of the willing removed Iraq
from Kuwait. And then allowed the Butcher of Baghdad to crawl back
under his rock.

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 31.03.22 15:15:

I know that your beer sucks ... that says a
lot about Russia.

All felt-tip pens are different for every taste and color. I drink much different drinks, beer is extremely rare, but I guess this brand has never been supplied to you, and in Moscow it is a rare guest.

Oh yeah ... and people still file along the
corpse of a 100yr old dead body whose nose
broke-off and they had to glue it back in
place ...

And it happens. There are only about 30 such "corpses" left in my garage, each under half a million euros. And periodically - crazy nostalgia for the sold ones, under the belly of which I spent more than one year, in oil and dirt, babysitting like a baby. Everyone goes crazy in his own way ;)
Some people are rebuilding their house permanently, while others are satisfied with eternal rocking in a hammock and spitting at the ceiling. Office plankton, living in traffic jams for most of his short life is not counted ;)

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 31.03.22 15:20:

The Russian anti-doping agency has been
caught with its pants down to such an extent
that Russia as a country was already barred
from several events. Even that beautiful
young skater Ludmilla Something ... she may
have been good, she was also caught with the
wrong stuff in her pipi ... "Aw, I must've
taken a sip from my grandpa's tea" ... state
sponsored terrorism, state sponsored doping,
even trying to bribe countries in Eurosong
... something so silly ...

Yeah, we're the bad guys. Take a break from us, sip others ;)

I think the mirror will refuse to reproduce
the image.

Distant Carpathian relatives? ;)


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Oleg Nazaroff wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

What about Chechnya? Do you want to compare?

There was a comparison there. I'm sorry you missed it.

In Chechnya, since the late 80s and early 90s, after the collapse of
the USSR, the Russians were slaughtered - families, neighborhoods,
guts wrapped around the fences, cut throats like cattle.

Who was doing the gut wrapping and cutting throats?

Terrorists have blown up apartment buildings all over Russia, including the capital, taking hundreds of children hostage.

The kremlin blamed that on Chechnya but I am not sure Chechnya had anything to do with it.

Russian courts at the time ruled that the bombings were orchestrated by Chechen linked militants without any real facts. A fairly common thing in Russia. Even today the bombings are considered to have been carried out by russian security services.

The terrorists' demands are a separate state, Ichkeria, which has never existed on the world map before.

Chechnya was something of a hot mess at that time. After the collapse of the former USSR Chechnya was independent. After all the wars since then Chechnya is a Russian republic again.

Do you know the difference between terrorism and Nazism?

Yeah, that's an easy one.

In Chechnya the Russians bombed only one city, Grozny,

In Chechnya I guess it's Grozny, or nothing.

and then the terrorists retreated into the mountainous regions where
they fought. Apart from the Chechens themselves there was a mass of world-famous Arab terrorists. At the same time all the inhabitants of
the republic continued to receive pensions, allowances, and humanitarian aid at Russia's expense (as has always been the case).

Thanks for the information. ;)



Ttyl :-),
Al

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We read your own press and watch your TV news ;) are they Kremlin
agents too? In all of Europe? ;)

The kremlin has recently found fox news to be great material for their "newscasts".

None of your favorite NATO member states has shipped humanitarian
supplies to bombed countries on far-fetched pretexts.

All of them are doing this in and for Ukraine now. Do you know where There are now more than 4,000,000 refugee's in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova and a small number heading to Russia.

Russia did, is doing, and will continue to do so. So mister - you
are lying.

What did Russia do? Invade Ukraine?

Do you know what happened in Iraq and Kuwait?

We still see it today, the whole world. But this will no longer save
the West.

Save the west from what?

That was another invasion of a sovereign nation.

Oh, so this is "different"?

No, it was another invasion.

Tell that to the Iraqi civilians who died under a month of carpet
bombing. And the Serbs, and the Vietnamese.

I don't need to tell them. They know this.

Especially don't forget all the residents of the two Japanese cities.
It's different for them, you see....

They also know the history.


Ttyl :-),
Al

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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 31.03.22 14:02:

Who was doing the gut wrapping and cutting
throats?

Chechen terrorists.

Terrorists have blown up apartment
buildings all over Russia, including the
capital, taking hundreds of children
hostage.

The kremlin blamed that on Chechnya but I am
not sure Chechnya had anything to do with
it.

Yeah, well, I'm a Martian. I haven't complained about my eyesight yet. I remember everything to the smallest detail. Women with open bellies, intestines along the fence, children on stakes �nd the guys with their throats cut and their carotid arteries intact (to see what was done to their wives and childs until their last breath, for about six hours), too - I remember very well.

But the Khokhuls have done more horrible things to their own fellow citizens. At the very least, it is appalling precisely because they are all Slavs, not Muslims.

Russian courts at the time ruled that the
bombings were orchestrated by Chechen linked
militants without any real facts. A fairly
common thing in Russia. Even today the
bombings are considered to have been carried
out by russian security services.

Chechens can of course be confused with Greeks and Georgians, but only to a layman. Not all of them managed to get away, and no one pulled their tongues to admit what they had done in their own videos.
The conspiracy about the Russian secret services is the first attempt by the West against Putin.

Chechnya was something of a hot mess at that
time. After the collapse of the former USSR
Chechnya was independent. After all the wars
since then Chechnya is a Russian republic
again.

After the traitor Gorbachev with his GKCHP, the whole USSR was one big mess. This gives no de jure independence - it's a coup d'tat committed against the will of all citizens of the USSR to preserve the Soviet Union, as expressed by the results of a referendum. Crimea, Ukraine, and Chechnya, by the way, voted FOR 87%, 70%, and 76%, respectively.
After 30 years of jumping on the bones to the tune of the USA, it is time to restore historical justice.

In Chechnya the Russians bombed only one
city, Grozny,

In Chechnya I guess it's Grozny, or nothing.

One Grozny. The mountains don't count.


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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 31.03.22 14:02:

We read your own press and watch your TV
news ;) are they Kremlin agents too? In all
of Europe? ;)

The kremlin has recently found fox news to
be great material for their "newscasts".

I don't know what the West thinks the Kremlin thinks - I only watch the news in the original.

None of your favorite NATO member states
has shipped humanitarian supplies to bombed
countries on far-fetched pretexts.

All of them are doing this in and for
Ukraine now. Do you know where There are now
more than 4,000,000 refugee's in Poland,
Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova and a
small number heading to Russia.

I don't care where the khokhlys run. I'm talking about humanitarian aid to those in Ukraine who have no plans to flee. There are no humanitarian convoys from the West.

Russia did, is doing, and will continue to
do so. So mister - you are lying.

What did Russia do? Invade Ukraine?

See above

Save the west from what?

The West will not save itself from itself. I'd like to believe that there are no sane people there, but so far there are none. So if it happens, no offense, the retaliation will come very, very quickly and to all in a row.

Oh, so this is "different"?

No, it was another invasion.

Of course it's different! Territorially. What did the West care about Yugoslavia? Ethnic cleansing, the Albanians going wild, slaughtering Serbs? Though no, how it is so - it was the Serbs who had to slaughter the Albanians, according to you. And in Ukraine, too, the Khokhlys slaughtered the Russians for 8 (!) years. Then it was a neighbor's showdown on your stairwell, now it's on ours. What is the difference? Or the West did not attack sovereign peaceful Yugoslavia, so accidentally 1000 planes carpet bombed, killing 7000 people and not even thinking to say "oops" and apologize???

Tell that to the Iraqi civilians who died
under a month of carpet bombing. And the
Serbs, and the Vietnamese.

I don't need to tell them. They know this.

And remembered, for generations, will not be forgotten.


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Hello Michiel,

I'll admit, they have some beautiful navels to stare at ...

MvdV> Don't feed the trolls...

What trolls?

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Hello Bj�rn,

You are right, but here's a troll thinking he can win over someone with
that nonsense ...

Those professional trolls are trained to ignore facts, so that's a futile enterprise.

I tried my best to imitate a troll. See my message to Ward.
Just remember I am not a professional.

BTW, I think you've already spotted the other one (judging by a previous comment)?

Not me! Not me! I'm not trained! I swear! I swear!

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Oleg Nazaroff wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

The kremlin blamed that on Chechnya but I am
not sure Chechnya had anything to do with
it.

I remember everything to the smallest detail. Women with open bellies, intestines along the fence, children on stakes �nd the guys with their throats cut and their carotid arteries intact (to see what was done to their wives and childs until their last breath, for about six hours),
too - I remember very well.

It's good to remember correctly why things happen.

But the Khokhuls have done more horrible things to their own fellow citizens. At the very least, it is appalling precisely because they are all Slavs, not Muslims.

It never fails to amaze me what human beings will do to other human beings and the reasons they come up with for their actions.

Chechens can of course be confused with Greeks and Georgians, but only
to a layman.

Is that so?

Not all of them managed to get away, and no one pulled
their tongues to admit what they had done in their own videos.
The conspiracy about the Russian secret services is the first attempt
by the West against Putin.

The west is well aware of what Putin has done.

Chechnya was something of a hot mess at that
time. After the collapse of the former USSR
Chechnya was independent. After all the wars
since then Chechnya is a Russian republic
again.

After the traitor Gorbachev with his GKCHP, the whole USSR was one big mess. This gives no de jure independence - it's a coup d'tat committed against the will of all citizens of the USSR to preserve the Soviet
Union, as expressed by the results of a referendum. Crimea, Ukraine,
and Chechnya, by the way, voted FOR 87%, 70%, and 76%, respectively.
After 30 years of jumping on the bones to the tune of the USA, it is
time to restore historical justice.

Gorbachev said that treachery killed the USSR and I believe that.


Ttyl :-),
Al

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Oleg Nazaroff wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

I don't know what the West thinks the Kremlin thinks - I only watch the news in the original.

You won't get any news from fox news, it has been producing right wing propaganda for years.

I don't care where the khokhlys run. I'm talking about humanitarian aid
to those in Ukraine who have no plans to flee. There are no
humanitarian convoys from the West.

Russia has not been delivering humanitarian aid. They have been blocking it while they bomb civilians in Ukraine.

The West will not save itself from itself. I'd like to believe that
there are no sane people there, but so far there are none. So if it happens, no offense, the retaliation will come very, very quickly and
to all in a row.

If the west needs saving the retaliation will come very, very quickly?

Who are you fighting in Ukraine?

Of course it's different! Territorially. What did the West care about Yugoslavia? Ethnic cleansing, the Albanians going wild, slaughtering Serbs? Though no, how it is so - it was the Serbs who had to slaughter
the Albanians, according to you.

Just who was it, according to you?

And in Ukraine, too, the Khokhlys
slaughtered the Russians for 8 (!) years. Then it was a neighbor's showdown on your stairwell, now it's on ours. What is the difference?
Or the West did not attack sovereign peaceful Yugoslavia, so
accidentally 1000 planes carpet bombed, killing 7000 people and not
even thinking to say "oops" and apologize???

You got it wrong. It was Russian backed separatists in Ukraine who have been creating this so called problem. Thjis is clear.



Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan,

On Thursday March 31 2022 18:57, you wrote to Oleg Nazaroff:

Oleg Nazaroff wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

The kremlin blamed that on Chechnya but I am
not sure Chechnya had anything to do with
it.

Don't feed the trolls...


Cheers, Michiel

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Don't feed the trolls...

I don't think we are feeding trolls but this is probably not the right area for this kind of discussion.

I think these threads might be better in an area like WHAT'S_HOT!.

That area is for discussion of what's new and hot. It hasn't been used much recently but it is there. I don't mind moving to another area also if you have a better suggestion.

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Hello Alan,

On Friday April 01 2022 02:20, you wrote to Alaxander Koryagin:

Don't feed the trolls...

I don't think we are feeding trolls but this is probably not the right area for this kind of discussion.

I may have misunderstood but the moderator has labelled them as trolls didn't he?

I think these threads might be better in an area like WHAT'S_HOT!.

Whatever.

That area is for discussion of what's new and hot. It hasn't been used much recently but it is there. I don't mind moving to another area
also if you have a better suggestion.

I have no interest in discussing with trolls, so who am I to make suggestions in that regard?


Cheers, Michiel

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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 31.03.22 18:57:

It's good to remember correctly why things
happen.

The terrorists called it jihad - blood feud, for the mass expulsion of Stalin against the Chechens and, by the way, the Ingush (there was no Chechnya, there was the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Republic). One mistake - Stalin at one time dealt with them very gently, replacing execution with exile. The reason is mass state treason and terrorism. According to modern terrorists, all generations of Russians were responsible for this. Despite the fact that Stalin himself was a Georgian.

But the Khokhuls have done more horrible
things to their own fellow citizens. At the
very least, it is appalling precisely
because they are all Slavs, not Muslims.

It never fails to amaze me what human beings
will do to other human beings and the
reasons they come up with for their actions.

I have not been surprised at anything for a long time, but my hair is still moving ...

Is that so?

The man who lived side by side with them for many years - it was the Chechen who stood out from the crowd easily.
At the same time, I still have good friends among the Chechens.

The west is well aware of what Putin has
done.

Everything that is written about the Chechen war is just a statement about the military operation itself, the background is always beyond the scope. Western propaganda works only in its own interests.

Gorbachev said that treachery killed the
USSR and I believe that.

Gorbachev was the head of the government, and only decades later admitted that he knew everything in advance, and the justified (!) Members of the state coup, even without interrogation, unanimously pointed him out as the organizer, who was always in his own shadow. Meanwhile, there is documentary evidence of his collusion with the United States on the issue of the collapse of the USSR. The answer to the question why he has not yet been convicted is from the same series as why the gray eminence of Russia Chubais has now freely left for Turkey, and not to prison. The agreements are still in effect.


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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 31.03.22 18:57:

You won't get any news from fox news, it has
been producing right wing propaganda for
years.

Not only fox have news, same news.

Russia has not been delivering humanitarian
aid. They have been blocking it while they
bomb civilians in Ukraine.

Lie. All humanitarian aid reached the addressees. The only exception is where the Bandera people prevent it.

If the west needs saving the retaliation
will come very, very quickly?

This is no longer our problem and we are not threatening to detonate a nuclear bomb over Moscow.

Who are you fighting in Ukraine?

With the West. All visible manifestations of Ukrainian Nazism are a product of Western propaganda combined with real financial and military support for many many years.

Just who was it, according to you?

It does not matter. There were definitely no Americans or Germans there. This is interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state. The Russians didn't defend Texas and Washington, or the Basques, for example, did they?

You got it wrong. It was Russian backed
separatists in Ukraine who have been
creating this so called problem. Thjis is
clear.

Don't evade the question. Neo-Nuremberg will force to answer for all US and NATO military interventions. Unless you eat yourself and each other before that.

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That area is for discussion of what's new and hot. It hasn't been used
much recently but it is there. I don't mind moving to another area
also if you have a better suggestion.

I have no interest in discussing with trolls, so who am I to make suggestions in that regard?

If you have no interest in the discussion then you don't need to suggest anything. That is only for those who wish to continue the discussion. I am suggesting another area but I don't know if then discussion will move there or simply die out at some point.

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Oleg Nazaroff wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

I will reply to you in the WHAT'S_HOT! area since we are off topic here.


Ttyl :-),
Al

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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 01.04.22 6:24:

I will reply to you in the WHAT'S_HOT! area
since we are off topic here.

Marked area is not available here. If you want, send by netmail.

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//Hello Oleg,//

on *01.04.22* at *14:59:13* You wrote in Area *FIDONEWS*
to *Alan Ianson* about *"Pentagon's biolabs at Ukraine"*.

Russia has not been delivering humanitarian aid. They have been blocking
it while they bomb civilians in Ukraine.

Lie. All humanitarian aid reached the addressees. The only exception is where the Bandera people prevent it.

Reminds me of my all-time favourite war-propaganda quote:
"Their infidels are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad. Don't believe those liars."

Who are you fighting in Ukraine?

With the West. All visible manifestations of Ukrainian Nazism are a product of Western propaganda combined with real financial and military support for many many years.

Or may it be that since the last free journalist in russia has long ago given up that you have not the slightest idea what is going on anywhere in the world?

Just like any good dictator, your so-called president (hell, what a fine democracy you have, probably he will be supreme leader even in death and get a place next to lenin in the display) has spent decades to install a system of misinformation and oppression that now turns out to work so well, that not even his advisors seem to dare to tell him how bad thinks have become for Russia.

I would also like to mention that Russia is supporting left- and right extremists in many western democracies in order to destabilize them. In Germany, Russia is well known to have provided broad support (e.g., through money and misinformation in social networks) for extreme-right Parties in the hope to help particularly the AFD to become a government party while german courts have already ruled that some of the most important AFD leaders can be officially called a "Nazi". And yes, we in Germany have expertise when it comes to Nazis. But we still havent noticed that Ukraine Nazi Government or the genocide on russian people (nice staging in russian reports btw.).
So essentially, it is probably valid to say that Russia has tried und probably is still trying to install a Nazi-Government in Germany (and probably other countries).
Maybe it's the russian way of thanking Germany for sending Lenin to Russia back in the days. So Putin actually seems to welcome Nazis in other countries. Also, (fun fact), those Asow (or however that is spelled) nationalists that are often referred to in this context are AFAIR a result of the russian occupation of Crimea. So in the best case, those Nazis are also home-made.

In the full perspective, as it seems now, the main result of the attack on the Ukraine is that the already weak russian economy (less than germany for of country of that size ...) may soon basically cease to exist. It is determined to loose much of its today remaining income soon as western nations are committed to no longer buy ressources from Russia and are actively moving away from it in very short time frames. Furthermore, Russia is disconnected from most high-technology and at the same time educated engineers are fleeing the country already raging into the hundreds of thousands. In the end, this will all be really BAD for most of the russian people, who already suffered before from their low life standard (and also today exceptionally low life expectancyy). However, given the insignifcance of the russian economy, the rest of the world will just move on.

This is just sad, because basically all the russian people I met where warm, hearty and often also very well educated and I wish them all the best. I doubt that the russian people deserve what their government does to their lifes and the legacy of their great country, which still deserves all the respect for having fought the real nazis in the first place. We should not forget, that europe's freedom and wealth is also built on their sacrifice.

Regards,
Tim
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I will reply to you in the WHAT'S_HOT! area
since we are off topic here.

Marked area is not available here. If you want, send by netmail.

The area is widely available here. If you like we can link but the area is also available at 2:221/6 and 2:280/464.

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Hello Tim,

On Friday April 01 2022 16:33, you wrote to Oleg Nazaroff:

With the West. All visible manifestations of Ukrainian Nazism are
a product of Western propaganda combined with real financial and
military support for many many years.

Or may it be that since the last free journalist in russia has long
ago given up that you have not the slightest idea what is going on anywhere in the world?

Don't feed the trolls...


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello, Oleg!

Friday April 01 2022 14:45, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

Chechnya, there was the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Republic). One
mistake - Stalin at one time dealt with them very gently, replacing

You sounds like some Nazi officer who've got access to Fidonet in 1941.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello Dmitry!

01 Apr 22 20:18, Dmitry Protasoff wrote to Oleg Nazaroff:

You sounds like some Nazi officer who've got access to Fidonet in
1941.

Now, /that's/ an idea... maybe you can develop this into a movie plot? :)


Regards,
Gerrit

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I will reply to you in the WHAT'S_HOT! area
since we are off topic here.

Marked area is not available here. If you want, send by netmail.

Another possiblity is the COFFEE_KLATSCH area. It's a place where folks can talk about whatever is on their mind. Is that area found?

We have not been ruled off topic but there has been enough pushback that I think another area might be more fitting.

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*** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

Hello, Gerrit!

Friday April 01 2022 21:41, you wrote to me:

You sounds like some Nazi officer who've got access to Fidonet in
1941.

Now, /that's/ an idea... maybe you can develop this into a movie plot?
:)

Or into Broadway musical? With Fidonet policy as some opening song :)

Best regards,
dp.

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