As I have re-stumbled upon the "modern" BBS scene today, it seems to me that the two most popular and actively maintained BBS packages are Synchronet BBS (home-based at Vertrauen) and Mystic BBS (home-based at the Agency BBS). Both seem to be very similar, but have different stylistic takes on the user interface.

My Questions: For an old SysOp from the 1980s looking to experiment with setting up a BBS today, mostly for fun and hobbying --

1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

2. What are some of the unique differences that you like about the two systems? 3. Can the two systems coexist and run in parallel with the same userbase (as showcased by at least a couple of active BBS'es)?

Definitely looking for opinions, chatter, and educational perspectives from those of us who are active on the BBS community today. Thanks!

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1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

Renegade, because I'm bias ...

http://www.rgbbs.info

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Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: James Coyle to Juan Gonzalez on Tue May 03 2022 04:41 pm

Just wanted to clear up confusion: Mystic is not Agency BBS, Paul is a Mystic SysOp who made some instruction videos but he does not develop Mystic BBS.

Thanks for clarifying that; that was my confusion, I'm sorry about that. Still getting up to speed on who's who in the scene!

So, so that I am clear, Avon is not the Mystic BBS developer/author?
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Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: T.J. Mcmillen to Juan Gonzalez on Tue May 03 2022 04:09 pm

Renegade, because I'm bias ...

http://www.rgbbs.info

Is Mystic BBS a reaction to, or evolution of, Renegade BBS? Do they share anything in common? I will definitely check out more Renegade BBS'es to see how they stack up today. Do you have any recommendations of systems I should visit?
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So, so that I am clear, Avon is not the Mystic BBS developer/author?

Right. James Coyle (g00r00) is the author of Mystic BBS. Avon is a supporter and user of Mystic. A strong supporter.

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Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Alan Ianson to Juan Gonzalez on Tue May 03 2022 02:57 pm

Right. James Coyle (g00r00) is the author of Mystic BBS. Avon is a supporter and user of Mystic. A strong supporter.

Got it. Definitely a strong supporter; I love his YouTube videos, and definitely makes Mystic BBS seem very accessible, customizable, and a great destination for creative types and tinkerers.

I also really appreciate Synchronet BBS, for its standardized approach to BBS'ing and high degree of technical innovation. Digital Man has tremendous generosity and patience as he welcomes people into the community.
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As I have re-stumbled upon the "modern" BBS scene today, it seems to me that the two most popular and actively maintained BBS packages are Synchronet BBS (home-based at Vertrauen) and Mystic BBS (home-based at
the Agency BBS). Both seem to be very similar, but have different stylistic takes on the user interface.

Just wanted to clear up confusion: Mystic is not Agency BBS, Paul is a Mystic SysOp who made some instruction videos but he does not develop Mystic BBS.

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1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

I would say Mystic. I've run both and found Mystic to be easier to run on the back-end.

2. What are some of the unique differences that you like about the two systems?

The biggest thing for me is that mystic is all inclusive in a single config menu, whereas Syncro has sepperate config programs for setting up the networks and the echoes.

3. Can the two systems coexist and run in parallel with the
same userbase (as showcased by at least a couple of active BBS'es)?

Don't think they can share databases. But you can run more than one at a time, just have to have them on different port numbers.
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Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Dallas Vinson to Juan Gonzalez on Tue May 03 2022 05:19 pm

I would say Mystic. I've run both and found Mystic to be easier to run on the back-end.

The biggest thing for me is that mystic is all inclusive in a single config menu, whereas Syncro has sepperate config programs for setting up the networks and the echoes.

Thanks so much for this. This is very helpful.
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Is Mystic BBS a reaction to, or evolution of, Renegade BBS? Do they share

I'd say a reaction. I was given the Renegade code in 2003 and decided to keep it DOS only. There was no point going any further than DOS with it.

Mystic was written starting somewhere around 1997, but James can correct me on that.

I should be putting out another release of Renegade sometime this month, so be on the look out if you want to give old school a try. It's all good to go out of the box. Long as you are running on a 32bit ver of Windows 10 or under.

anything in common? I will definitely check out more Renegade BBS'es to s

Nope. Maybe a look and feel, but other than that, two different birds.

how they stack up today. Do you have any recommendations of systems I sho

You already called mine here, but Dark Realms is another. He is also the FidoNet backbone for Zone 1 in North America.


darkrealms.ca

Is the address if you wanna give it a call. He also has dialup still, not sure of the number, but he located in Canada, so if you're in the USA, it may be a LD call if you wanna relive the glory days of dialup. :)

... Ancient Chinese curse:"May you live in interesting times"

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Hello T,

03 May 22 16:09, you wrote to Juan Gonzalez:

Renegade, because I'm bias ...

You? Biased? Nahhhh...

-- Sean

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Just wanted to clear up confusion: Mystic is not Agency BBS, Paul is a Mystic SysOp who made some instruction videos but he does not develop M BBS.

Thanks for clarifying that; that was my confusion, I'm sorry about that. Still getting up to speed on who's who in the scene!

He made some tutorials, helps edit the Wiki and he also provides a good bit of support to those through his network as well so its an easy mistake to me!

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Is Mystic BBS a reaction to, or evolution of, Renegade BBS? Do they
share anything in common? I will definitely check out more Renegade BBS'es to see how they stack up today. Do you have any recommendations
of systems I should visit?

They don't share anything in common in terms of code, but Mystic BBS was intended to be a successor to RG/TG which were not in development at the time.

http://www.mysticbbs.com/about.html

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Got it. Definitely a strong supporter; I love his YouTube videos, and definitely makes Mystic BBS seem very accessible, customizable, and a great destination for creative types and tinkerers.

Just another note the echomail tutorials are quite a bit outdated and have a lot of unneeded steps, but they will still work for you!

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Juan Gonzalez wrote to All <=-

As I have re-stumbled upon the "modern" BBS scene today, it seems
to me that the two most popular and actively maintained BBS
packages are Synchronet BBS (home-based at Vertrauen) and Mystic
BBS (home-based at the Agency BBS). Both seem to be very similar,
but have different stylistic takes on the user interface.

My Questions: For an old SysOp from the 1980s looking to
experiment with setting up a BBS today, mostly for fun and
hobbying --

1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

I have not run Mystic other than to "take a look" a couple of times. I
prefer Synchronet because it has more features and is kind of a "kitchen
sink" that includes everything. Also a big thing for me is that as a Linux-only user, SBBS is open source and can be tinkered with at the
source code level for ultra-fine customization. You don't need to
be a professional developer to do that, either. Also the author is VERY accessible (in IRC especially) and OFTEN provides literally INSTANT
fixes and feature additions.

2. What are some of the unique differences that you like about
the two systems?

Mystic seems to be more preferred by the "scene" folks, for reasons that escape me. I think SBBS appeals more to the "tinkerer" types. Also as mentioned above, SBBS is open-source and Mystic is not. They both do
what they do very well, and either is a great choice.

3. Can the two systems coexist and run in parallel with the same
userbase (as showcased by at least a couple of active BBS'es)?

You can certainly run both on the same computer at once, using different ports, of course. The actual userbase files would not be interchangeable/shareable.

Definitely looking for opinions, chatter, and educational
perspectives from those of us who are active on the BBS community
today. Thanks!

Hope this helps, and good luck with whatever you decide!


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Mystic seems to be more preferred by the "scene" folks, for reasons that escape me. I think SBBS appeals more to the "tinkerer" types. Also as

Mystic has been historically quite a bit more advanced in the way it handled ANSI and its user interface. While Synchronet has added these things in recent day/years, these features were often found in Mystic for decades before (which is enough time to build a following).

These types of features were imperative to modders and its likely you just didn't have much of a grasp on what Mystic does or modding based on your own admission of not using it.

The author was also was a part of that scene, releasing with long term groups like demonic and ACiD.

The features each have depend on what features matter to the person who uses the software. What has more features changes based on who is using the software.

And of course there is just preference. Some people prefer Pascal and Python over JavaScript and C++. Some people grew up using Renegade/Telegard and like Mystic for its similarities. Some people like Mystic's security. Some people may choose Sychronet for all of those opposite reasons (they used Synchronet in the 1990s, they want to write JavaScript, etc).

Lots of reasons why someone may prefer one over another.

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1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

Synchronet. It is open source, you don't have to be a programmer to change parts of it (I figured out how to customize some of the javascript bits),
and the author is responsive and accessible. It does have more of a
learning curve. I came from DOS BBSing where I had to know how to edit configuration files (plural) so Synchronet was not that much different in
that regard. There are utilities that handle most of those config files if
you prefer not to edit them yourself.

It also has a web board built in. It is actually a web server so you can
host other pages on it also, i.e. otherpage.yourbbsdomain.net.


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03 May 22 16:09, you wrote to Juan Gonzalez:

Renegade, because I'm bias ...

You? Biased? Nahhhh...

haha

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Synchronet. It is open source, you don't have to be a programmer to chang

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whistles to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

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On 04 May 22 16:47:16, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Dumas Walker:

to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they can crunch a few numbers in Excel.

Nick

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On 03 May 22 19:37:07, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Juan Gonzalez:

You already called mine here, but Dark Realms is another. He is also the FidoNet backbone for Zone 1 in North America.

You mean I'm the mass-dumping-ground for everything unroutable, undeliverable and the weird bizarre files that end up here which I'm supposed to deal with.

Nick

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You already called mine here, but Dark Realms is another. He is also the FidoNet backbone for Zone 1 in North America.

You mean I'm the mass-dumping-ground for everything unroutable, undelivera and the weird bizarre files that end up here which I'm supposed to deal wi

I perfer to call you a museum. :)

... Hi, I'm from the government. I'm here to help you.

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On 04 May 22 18:37:09, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Nick Andre:

You mean I'm the mass-dumping-ground for everything unroutable, undelivera and the weird bizarre files that end up here which I'm supposed to deal wi

I perfer to call you a museum. :)

Lol. A living museum...

Nick

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I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they can crunch a few numbers in Excel.

That's not a programmers, it's a mathematician. :)
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|03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Dumas Walker
|03on |114 May 22 16:47|03.

Synchronet. It is open source, you don't have to be a programmer to chang

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whist to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

synchronet doesn't have a menu editor because it's not kids stuff like renegade.

you can do anything you want with it.

all you need is a text editor.

you do

cmdkey x
[command]
end_cmd

any moron can do that. once you're ready you can take it further and it's pretty easy. i'm not a fan of the javascript because i got involved with it when it first came out and it was very confusing because there wasn't much to learn from.

i've been able to do simple things with .js, though. like prune users after a certain date and modify scripts to do what i want them to do.

synchronet is a powerful bbs software that a novice or an expert can use.

bbs software like renegade is what people start out with and get their feet wet. it's good but then you usually want more.

i went from rg to iniquity to tg to synchronet. it was a hard learning curve but synchronet was fast and it was stable. that's when we had netmodem and it totally sucked.

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|03Quoting message from |11James Coyle |03to |11Dan Clough
|03on |1104 May 22 10:28:14|03.

Mystic seems to be more preferred by the "scene" folks, for reasons t escape me. I think SBBS appeals more to the "tinkerer" types. Also

Mystic has been historically quite a bit more advanced in the way it handl ANSI and its user interface. While Synchronet has added these things in recent day/years, these features were often found in Mystic for decades be (which is enough time to build a following).

you arent trying to say mystic is better and more advanced than synchronet, are you? because you might be retarded if you think that.

mystic is just a renegade knock off because the guys that took over from cott lang told you to fuck off.

And of course there is just preference. Some people prefer Pascal and Pyth over JavaScript and C++. Some people grew up using Renegade/Telegard and l Mystic for its similarities. Some people like Mystic's security. Some pe may choose Sychronet for all of those opposite reasons (they used Synchron in the 1990s, they want to write JavaScript, etc).

i'm a renegade and telegard guy and i cant stand mystic.
i'd rather run elebbs or anything else.

and i dont know of any current bbses users who ran synchronet in the 90s.
your examples are very poor.

... If you were an Armadillo, you'd worship trees, too!

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Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whist to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

by the way... i made a menu editor for synchronet. you can have it if you want.

you tell it what commands you want and you pick them and the command key.
it then shits out a default menu.

there's also a javascript one someone made but i don't think it's done.
but the thing is, having a menu editor is very limiting. look at the baja source of the command shells and see what i mean.

... I would say more,but I'mãlimited to only 57 characters here.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11T.J. Mcmillen
|03on |1104 May 22 17:57:44|03.

On 04 May 22 16:47:16, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Dumas Walker:

to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they can crunch a few numbers in Excel.

i know chmod. upload download ftp.

... Longer life through superior firepower.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11T.J. Mcmillen
|03on |1104 May 22 17:59:17|03.

On 03 May 22 19:37:07, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Juan Gonzalez:

You already called mine here, but Dark Realms is another. He is also the FidoNet backbone for Zone 1 in North America.

You mean I'm the mass-dumping-ground for everything unroutable, undelivera and the weird bizarre files that end up here which I'm supposed to deal wi

Nick

thank you for your service.

... Once again, truth and American technology defeat Bill.

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by the way... i made a menu editor for synchronet. you can have it if you want.

You are welcome to upload it here if you want, but I doubt I'd ever use the software.

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Juan Gonzalez wrote to All <=-

1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

Another choice is Talisman BBS. www.talismanbbs.com
It's open source, and has some unique features like native tossing
for wwivnet, qwk, ftn. Uses TOML to configure and lua scripting.
Bluewave and QWK offline mail, super easy to configure and runs
on both Windows and Linux (like the big two you asked about).

My setup is telnet://tinysbbs.com:4323 or ssh://tinysbbs.com:4322

Shawn

... Don't drink and park; accidents cause people.

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|03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |114 May 22 22:59|03.

by the way... i made a menu editor for synchronet. you can have it if you want.

You are welcome to upload it here if you want, but I doubt I'd ever use th software.

no i'm not going to distribute it.

you should consider running synchronet. it's a very powerful software that allows you to do a lot of things.

... I passed my ethics course. I cheated, of course...

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|03Quoting message from |11Shawn Highfield |03to |11Juan Gonzalez
|03on |1104 May 22 09:32:27|03.

Juan Gonzalez wrote to All <=-

1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

Another choice is Talisman BBS. www.talismanbbs.com
It's open source, and has some unique features like native tossing
for wwivnet, qwk, ftn. Uses TOML to configure and lua scripting.
Bluewave and QWK offline mail, super easy to configure and runs
on both Windows and Linux (like the big two you asked about).

My setup is telnet://tinysbbs.com:4323 or ssh://tinysbbs.com:4322

Shawn

that sounds like a good alternative.
how easy is it to setup doorgames?

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on both Windows and Linux (like the big two you asked about).

My setup is telnet://tinysbbs.com:4323 or ssh://tinysbbs.com:4322

Shawn

that sounds like a good alternative.
how easy is it to setup doorgames?

one thing i dont like is it didn't ask me where to install it.
this might be because i tried it out previously.

also i'm not seeing any local documentation, only the web one.

it would be nice if they setup a few sample doorgames.
i see the instructions in the menu commands.
i'm not sure how to use netfoss with it to run doorgames. i'm assuming that's what it needs.

also there's no way to search in the docs.
it's not something i can recommend to a new sysop

... One thing about pain: it proves you're alive.

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James Coyle wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Python over JavaScript and C++. Some people grew up using Renegade/Telegard and like Mystic for its similarities.

Synchronet has a bunch of third-party menus you can use, too - I used
a Renegade menu system as a basis for my default setup on Synchronet.

As a Synchronet sysop from the early 2000s (but not a legacy, dial-up
sysop) I liked that I could run a BBS, a web server, NNTP server,
IMAP/POP/SMTP server and IRC on a low-end windows box.

It feels like they both have feature parity now; I've dabbled with
Mystic, the attraction for me is wanting to get closer to Python.



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Nick Andre wrote to T.J. Mcmillen <=-

I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they
can crunch a few numbers in Excel.

I've sat across the table in interviews with people that talked about
"coding in HTML". Anything they said after that sort of blended into
the background noise.



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Nick Andre wrote to T.J. Mcmillen <=-

You mean I'm the mass-dumping-ground for everything unroutable, undeliverable and the weird bizarre files that end up here which I'm supposed to deal with.

Sounds like we need to have a "Nick is Pretty" day to bolster your
spirits!




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you arent trying to say mystic is better and more advanced than synchronet, are you? because you might be retarded if you think that.

I never said any of those things. But keep embarassing yourself as you always do with your delusional nonsense.

i'm a renegade and telegard guy and i cant stand mystic.
i'd rather run elebbs or anything else.

You can't stand Mystic because you were laughed out of the scene for being a terrible person when you tried to use it. You've been on this childish crusade since then.

You were the butt of everyone's jokes and no one liked you, and from what I can tell its not much different in the Synchronet community.

... There is an exception to every rule, except this one.

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It feels like they both have feature parity now; I've dabbled with
Mystic, the attraction for me is wanting to get closer to Python.

yeah but you could use python or perl with synchronet too.

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|03Quoting message from |11Kurt Weiske |03to |11Nick Andre
|03on |1105 May 22 07:44:00|03.

Nick Andre wrote to T.J. Mcmillen <=-

I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they can crunch a few numbers in Excel.

I've sat across the table in interviews with people that talked about "coding in HTML". Anything they said after that sort of blended into
the background noise.

you might have some ADHD

... Dawn: The time when people of reason go to bed.

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i'm a renegade and telegard guy and i cant stand mystic.
i'd rather run elebbs or anything else.

You can't stand Mystic because you were laughed out of the scene for being terrible person when you tried to use it. You've been on this childish crusade since then.

i think you have me confused with someone else.
whats the scene? we actually have a scene here?

do you mean that handful of people you buddy around with who have
15 1000 line ansi scrollers in their bbs logins?

You were the butt of everyone's jokes and no one liked you, and from what can tell its not much different in the Synchronet community.

this is news to me.
what i remember about you is disappearing and forgetting to renew your domains.

i'm the guy that got your mystic domain for you btw. you're welcome.

hey, when are you going to go open source? still scared? :D

mystic sucks, no reason to run it. people are better off running renegade.
or telegard! https://telegard.net

--- Renegade v1.30r3/Exp
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

do you mean that handful of people you buddy around with who have
15 1000 line ansi scrollers in their bbs logins?

Nope, you are universally disliked everywhere you go. The last messages in SYNCHRONET are literally people within the Synchronet community warning others about you being a horrible person and someone everyone dislikes.

what i remember about you is disappearing and forgetting to renew your domains.

I didn't originally register mysticbbs.com nor do I own it now. But you know that and choose to ignore it so you can make up some cindarella story to make yourself feel relevant in a community where you are not.

hey, when are you going to go open source? still scared? :D

It was open sourced in 2011.

... There are two types of people; those who finish what they start and

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/04/26 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

On 05 May 22 07:44:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they can crunch a few numbers in Excel.

I've sat across the table in interviews with people that talked about "coding in HTML". Anything they said after that sort of blended into
the background noise.

Thats one part of my career I've never been tasked with, hiring others.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

Synchronet. It is open source, you don't have to be a programmer to chang

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whistles to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

It would not matter if they were or not because it is not open source.

Mike


* SLMR 2.1a * "High as a kite, everybody! Goofballs!!"-Chief Wiggum
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
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You mean I'm the mass-dumping-ground for everything unroutable, undelivera
and the weird bizarre files that end up here which I'm supposed to deal wi

thank you for your service.

+ 1

Mike


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You were the butt of everyone's jokes and no one liked you, and from what I ca
tell its not much different in the Synchronet community.

-1. I don't dislike him.

Mike


* SLMR 2.1a * "Kills millions of germs on contract"
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
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Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whi to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

It would not matter if they were or not because it is not open source.

You can change everything Mystic displays easily within the editors without any programming.

No one is running custom hacked versions of Synchronet for the same reasons - because like Mystic, they both provide the capability to be extended through configuration and scripting.

The idea that you need to modify source code to customize your BBS is a left over concept from the 1980 WWIV sysops.

... Kids: They're not sleeping, they're recharging!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/04/26 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

On 05 May 22 17:14:50, James Coyle said the following to Dumas Walker:

The idea that you need to modify source code to customize your BBS is a lef over concept from the 1980 WWIV sysops.

It likely stems from the same strawman argument that if its open-source, its somehow "better" or "more secure". You see this all the time with real Linux fanatics and they move the goalposts when asked if they will personally audit all 250,000+ lines of that Linux kernel looking for exploits.

I get asked about making D'Bridge open-source. That code is maybe useful only to someone who *really* knows about mailers. Otherwise its just a trophy or something for them to recompile with their name plastered all over it.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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Nick Andre wrote to James Coyle <=-

Otherwise its just a trophy or something for them to recompile
with their name plastered all over it.

Oh, like FMail?

-- Sean

... "The way to Hell is plastered with good resolutions." - German proverb
--- MultiMail/Linux
* Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)

On 06 May 22 07:41:43, Sean Dennis said the following to Nick Andre:

Otherwise its just a trophy or something for them to recompile
with their name plastered all over it.

Oh, like FMail?

Yes, and Allfix.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

Nope, you are universally disliked everywhere you go. The last messages in SYNCHRONET are literally people within the Synchronet community warning others about you being a horrible person and someone everyone dislikes.

I'm going to wager a guess that this is MRO. No one on DOVE is so univerally disliked.


- Andre
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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It likely stems from the same strawman argument that if its open-source, its somehow "better" or "more secure". You see this all the time with real Linux fanatics and they move the goalposts when asked if they will personally audit all 250,000+ lines of that Linux kernel looking for exploits.

That's kind of a strawman too. Improving things by them being open source doesn't have to mean auditing every line of code.

I've personally submitted a few Synchronet issues because of oddities in the code that were then patched.


- Andre
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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No one is running custom hacked versions of Synchronet for the same reasons - cause like Mystic, they both provide the capability to be extended through con
guration and scripting.

The idea that you need to modify source code to customize your BBS is a left o
r concept from the 1980 WWIV sysops.

It sounds like you have at least two Synchronet sysops here who have indeed made code changes. In my case, not because I needed to but because I
wanted to.

Mike


* SLMR 2.1a * All Aboard!!!
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It likely stems from the same strawman argument that if its open-source, its somehow "better" or "more secure". You see this all the time with real Linux fanatics and they move the goalposts when asked if they will personally audit all 250,000+ lines of that Linux kernel looking for exploits.

In my case, it is because in the 1980's/90's I had a package I really
liked... enough to pay for it. When the author abandoned the software, it would have been nice to be able to make updates to it to keep it going.
Someone did manage to hex edit it and at least make it mostly Y2K
compliant, but it makes me leary to invest a lot of time and energy in
setting something up that someone else could walk off and leave.

Mike


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On 06 May 22 13:14:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

In my case, it is because in the 1980's/90's I had a package I really liked... enough to pay for it. When the author abandoned the software, it would have been nice to be able to make updates to it to keep it going. Someone did manage to hex edit it and at least make it mostly Y2K compliant, but it makes me leary to invest a lot of time and energy in setting something up that someone else could walk off and leave.

I felt kinda-the-same way about Renegade. When the Y2kA2 source was made available I scooped it up and was content to make any fixes or improvements for my own enjoyment onward. I was not happy with the post-Y2k releases.

Atreyu

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

Hello Juan,

03 May 22 14:41, you wrote to T.J. Mcmillen:

Renegade, because I'm bias ...

http://www.rgbbs.info

Is Mystic BBS a reaction to, or evolution of, Renegade BBS? Do they
share anything in common? I will definitely check out more Renegade BBS'es to see how they stack up today. Do you have any
recommendations of systems I should visit?

check out 2o fOr beeRS @ 20forbeers.com:1337
it's a Mystic board.

also there is talisman which a brand new bbs and is actively developed by apam: https://talismanbbs.com/about/

Regards,
--
dp

telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <

... 10:13pm up 32 days, 10:20:47, load: 80 processes, 287 threads.
--- GoldED/2 1.1.4.7+EMX
* Origin: Roon's BBS - Budapest, HUNGARY +36-1-4454412 (2:371/52)

Nick Andre wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Yes, and Allfix.

If I'm recompiling someone else's code, like I did with my UUencode/UUdecode utilities from SWAG, I note that in the docs and provide the code I
compiled. If you read my Cheepware door documentation, I give credit there also because several people have been kind enough to give me code they wrote
to learn from. In some cases, I use it "as-is".

I like to give credit where credit is due.

-- Sean

... WinErr 010: Reserved for future mistakes by our developers.
--- MultiMail/Linux
* Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)

Andre Robitaille wrote to Nick Andre <=-

That's kind of a strawman too. Improving things by them being open
source doesn't have to mean auditing every line of code.

While I agree with you, Nick does have a point as this type of behavior is a problem in the BBS world. Actually contributing and making software better
is good. Putting your name in the "About" screen of a software package, compiling it, and claiming you are now the developer of a moribund/dead
piece of software is what Nick was aiming at. Actually contributing
something worthwhile to an actively developed software package is much different.

-- Sean

... My hard disk is full! Maybe I'll try this message section thing.
--- MultiMail/Linux
* Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)

Dumas Walker wrote to JAMES COYLE <=-

It sounds like you have at least two Synchronet sysops here who have indeed made code changes. In my case, not because I needed to but
because I wanted to.

Like I said to Andre, that is a lot different than taking over a dead
project, putting your name on it, compiling it, and claiming you're its developer is a lot different than actually making a contribution to a
project.

For example, I have compiled the ProBoard source code. Does that make me
its developer? No. Now if I went in there, fixed bugs, added features, and made improvements in general, and released the compiled program, I'd still
not call myself a developer. Just improved it.

With MBSE, I've contributed code, worked on the docs, and have done several things yet I don't consider myself a developer; just a member of the development team.

-- Sean

... My hard disk is full! Maybe I'll try this message section thing.
--- MultiMail/Linux
* Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)

Oh, like FMail?

Hey, FMAIL is better than NOMAIL. :) hahahha

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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Hello T,

06 May 22 19:24, you wrote to me:

Hey, FMAIL is better than NOMAIL. :) hahahha

According to FMail's "developer's" hatred for me, it'd be FUMail.

-- Sean

... Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)

Nick Andre wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Thats one part of my career I've never been tasked with, hiring others.

It's an eye-opener, seeing things from the other side of the table. I
feel like I'm a much better interviewer and interviewee after seeing
both sides.

I was involved in group interviews at my last job, and was amazed at
the lack of empathy I saw on my side of the table. I was looking for
the person, they were looking at the accomplishments and how well they
answered the questions.

When I interview again, I'll keep that in mind. I'm an upfront person,
and will let you know when I don't know an answer. It's almost better
with an audience like that to answer to deflect to something you do
know. :)

Then again, these were those weird canned questions where we weren't
supposed to deviate, and couldn't clarify the questions effectively.
It doesn't give you a chance to learn about the candidate in depth.





... This will go on your PERMANENT RECORD!
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On 03 May 2022, Juan Gonzalez said the following...

As I have re-stumbled upon the "modern" BBS scene today, it seems to me that the two most popular and actively maintained BBS packages are Synchronet BBS (home-based at Vertrauen) and Mystic BBS (home-based at
the Agency BBS). Both seem to be very similar, but have different stylistic takes on the user interface.

Actually, I run both Mystic and Wildcat! Interactive Net Server 8.0 :)

... Kids: They're not sleeping, they're recharging!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Powered By Windows Server 2022 (1:116/17)

|03Quoting message from |11James Coyle |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1105 May 22 14:10:30|03.

do you mean that handful of people you buddy around with who have
15 1000 line ansi scrollers in their bbs logins?

Nope, you are universally disliked everywhere you go. The last messages in SYNCHRONET are literally people within the Synchronet community warning ot about you being a horrible person and someone everyone dislikes.

give the names of those people and i'll tell you how i stayed late up to 3am in the morning helping them setup something when i had to go to work at 5am.

you know nothing. most of the people you hang with i helped them in various ways asking nothing in return. same goes with the msg networks you frequent.

if someone doesn't like me they are probably just jealous.

i can be an asshole sometimes, but i'm always right. just like i'm right about you.

I didn't originally register mysticbbs.com nor do I own it now. But you k that and choose to ignore it so you can make up some cindarella story to m yourself feel relevant in a community where you are not.

that just shows how pathetic you are. i was told you forgot to renew it.
you dont even register or OWN the domain your own software is on?
how patheitc is that.
you can't pay 10 bucks?

that just shows how backwards you are.

hey, when are you going to go open source? still scared? :D

It was open sourced in 2011.

where is the source? i dont mean your old stuff. where is your source?

mystic could benefit greatly like other softwares have by collaboration. it's not just synchronet that has benefitted from a community of developers.

anyways, mystic is a joke and i don't know why people run it. they have a right to run what they want though and i support diversity. and it's not like it matters anymore because bbsing has NEVER been this dead ever.

--- Renegade v1.30/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Kurt Weiske
|03on |1105 May 22 15:17:05|03.

On 05 May 22 07:44:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they can crunch a few numbers in Excel.

I've sat across the table in interviews with people that talked about "coding in HTML". Anything they said after that sort of blended into
the background noise.

Thats one part of my career I've never been tasked with, hiring others.

Nick

I have a good eye for people, but really to hire someone you just need to
look at their work history and not be too picky. if someone is of a decent age and they only work at a place 1-2 years something is certainly up.

there's also this ACT test they have called workkeys that really gauges how employable a person is.

i took it years ago and i'm employable in about 90%
of the workforce. this test really tests a person's ability to reason and look for information. there's also a math test. all of this is timed and it gets progressivly harder. there's no way to cheat on it too.
it's the only test i have taken that i can say really does a good job gauging someones abilities.

--- Renegade v1.30/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

|03Quoting message from |11Dumas Walker |03to |11T.J. Mcmillen
|03on |1105 May 22 16:40:00|03.

Synchronet. It is open source, you don't have to be a programmer to

chang

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whistle to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

It would not matter if they were or not because it is not open source.

Mike

what do you mean there?

... The Results of your IQ test came back. They're negative.

--- Renegade v1.30/DOS
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|03Quoting message from |11James Coyle |03to |11Dumas Walker
|03on |1105 May 22 17:14:50|03.

Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells an to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselv programmer to use Mystic.

It would not matter if they were or not because it is not open source

You can change everything Mystic displays easily within the editors withou any programming.

that's nothing special. everyone has that.

No one is running custom hacked versions of Synchronet for the same reason because like Mystic, they both provide the capability to be extended throu configuration and scripting.

that is incorrect. their are people that run their own versions with their
own specific changes to synchronet. it's not 'hacked', it's just their own personal preferences that they run on their own system.

The idea that you need to modify source code to customize your BBS is a le over concept from the 1980 WWIV sysops.

it's called having options.

--- Renegade v1.30/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

It likely stems from the same strawman argument that if its open-source, i somehow "better" or "more secure". You see this all the time with real Lin fanatics and they move the goalposts when asked if they will personally au all 250,000+ lines of that Linux kernel looking for exploits.

if you have a community that wants to help, then it can benefit.
synchronet has that and other smaller bbs softwares have that.

if you just post something on github there's a chance some ASS will take it and fork it and do 2 small things to it just to put his name on it.
that's even happened with renegade. the thing is, only the strong survive.

I get asked about making D'Bridge open-source. That code is maybe useful o to someone who *really* knows about mailers. Otherwise its just a trophy o something for them to recompile with their name plastered all over it.

like i said, if you have a community that wants to help, that would benefit the product. do you really need help or feedback? or are you the type of person who doesn't want help or feedback?

in g00r00's situation he yanked the source because someone posted it on his website. he said nobody was helping. those guys have a small fishbowl so maybe they didn't have the right people involved. later on people wanted to help and he told them to fuck off because in the past nobody did anything.

... Only the educated are free: Some Greek guy.

--- Renegade v1.30/DOS
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|03Quoting message from |11Andre Robitaille |03to |11James Coyle
|03on |1106 May 22 09:13:56|03.

Nope, you are universally disliked everywhere you go. The last messag SYNCHRONET are literally people within the Synchronet community warni others about you being a horrible person and someone everyone dislike

I'm going to wager a guess that this is MRO. No one on DOVE is so univeral disliked.

well people dont really stick around. i just call people on their bullshit. people don't like that.

all those people were glad to use my free bbs services for many many years, though. and ask for my help every day.

btw, never heard of you.

... It's working now; I don't want to break it by fixing it

--- Renegade v1.30/DOS
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|03Quoting message from |11Andre Robitaille |03to |11Nick Andre
|03on |1106 May 22 09:17:17|03.

It likely stems from the same strawman argument that if its open-sour its somehow "better" or "more secure". You see this all the time with Linux fanatics and they move the goalposts when asked if they will personally audit all 250,000+ lines of that Linux kernel looking for exploits.

That's kind of a strawman too. Improving things by them being open source doesn't have to mean auditing every line of code.

I've personally submitted a few Synchronet issues because of oddities in t code that were then patched.

synchronet has evolved into having an ideal community just by having it open.

it's because rob is a good project manager. he takes people's feedback.
some people have great ideas. some people are great at testing and finding issues. some people are good programmers. some people are only good at fixing other people's code. these reasons are why it has worked out so well for so long.

... How come this jacket they gave me doesn't have sleeves?

--- Renegade v1.30/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

|03Quoting message from |11Dumas Walker |03to |11James Coyle
|03on |1106 May 22 12:58:00|03.

No one is running custom hacked versions of Synchronet for the same reasons cause like Mystic, they both provide the capability to be extended through

con

guration and scripting.

The idea that you need to modify source code to customize your BBS is a left

o

r concept from the 1980 WWIV sysops.

It sounds like you have at least two Synchronet sysops here who have indee made code changes. In my case, not because I needed to but because I wanted to.

Mike

you can literally see the people who submit code changes in one of the synchronet echos as well.

it's a frequent thing.

... Democracy-A catchword used by Democrats and Republicans

--- Renegade v1.30/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Dumas Walker
|03on |1106 May 22 13:32:34|03.

On 06 May 22 13:14:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

In my case, it is because in the 1980's/90's I had a package I really liked... enough to pay for it. When the author abandoned the software, it would have been nice to be able to make updates to it to keep it going. Someone did manage to hex edit it and at least make it mostly Y2K compliant, but it makes me leary to invest a lot of time and energy in setting something up that someone else could walk off and leave.

I felt kinda-the-same way about Renegade. When the Y2kA2 source was made available I scooped it up and was content to make any fixes or improvement for my own enjoyment onward. I was not happy with the post-Y2k releases.

Atreyu

i thought he WAS talking about renegade. i feel the same way about renegade and i'm glad i got Jeff to release y2k. too bad we don't have the source to 5-11. also good thing ariven was such a nut case and screwed jeff over.

or should i call ariven miri now? :D
https://i.imgur.com/UC6v01o.png

... Money is truthful. If a man speaks of his honor, make him pay cash.- RAH

--- Renegade v1.30/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

Then again, these were those weird canned questions where we weren't supposed to deviate, and couldn't clarify the questions effectively.
It doesn't give you a chance to learn about the candidate in depth.

one thing i think is funny is how they ask you to say something bad about yourself. like who is stupid enough to do that. i just say 'i care too
much' or something like that.

... If it jams, force it...If it breaks, it needed replacing.

--- Renegade v1.30/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

|03Quoting message from |11Robert Wolfe |03to |11Juan Gonzalez
|03on |1108 May 22 07:02:26|03.

On 03 May 2022, Juan Gonzalez said the following...

As I have re-stumbled upon the "modern" BBS scene today, it seems to that the two most popular and actively maintained BBS packages are Synchronet BBS (home-based at Vertrauen) and Mystic BBS (home-based a the Agency BBS). Both seem to be very similar, but have different stylistic takes on the user interface.

Actually, I run both Mystic and Wildcat! Interactive Net Server 8.0 :)

man that's like having rectal cancer AND testicular cancer!

... They say God made All Men. I say Samuel Colt made all men Equal.

--- Renegade v1.30/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

On 09 May 22 07:02:02, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

like i said, if you have a community that wants to help, that would benefit the product. do you really need help or feedback? or are you the type of person who doesn't want help or feedback?

Help or feedback about how my software runs is one thing and in neverending supply. Help with porting an obscure database library into something a
modern compiler can digest is something else. I have no help with that. But
I did get some nice feedback... "uhh yeah Nick good luck with that".

You keeping using that word community but I do not think it means what you think it means. There is no community of BBS/Fido developers. They are few
and far between nowadays and they are often busy with their own stuff.

If you believe that me, G00R00, Rob, Andrew, TJ are all best friends sitting
on some magical wonderful Discord channel happily helping with eachothers code with flowery emoticon-ridden feedback you are grossly mistaken.

in g00r00's situation he yanked the source because someone posted it on hi website. he said nobody was helping. those guys have a small fishbowl so

Seems to me G00R00 and Mystic are doing just fine for a closed-source program that even the militant Linux keyboard warrior fanatics preaching about open-source-everything just seem eager to have it installed and running like kids opening Christmas presents. Hence my remark about moving goalposts.

My understanding is that you can do "everything" with the Mystic script language or whatever it has. So how exactly will Mystic be improved by making it open source? You mention collaboration. On what part exactly? How will many likely incompetent people messing with its code benefit the average Sysop?

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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On 09 May 22 06:54:59, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

Thats one part of my career I've never been tasked with, hiring others.

I have a good eye for people, but really to hire someone you just need to look at their work history and not be too picky. if someone is of a decent age and they only work at a place 1-2 years something is certainly up.

As someone who has done tech for and shared office space with IT recruiters, I have no interest in recruiting or HR or being in a position to hire someone.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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On 09 May 22 07:09:54, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

i thought he WAS talking about renegade. i feel the same way about renegad and i'm glad i got Jeff to release y2k. too bad we don't have the source t 5-11. also good thing ariven was such a nut case and screwed jeff over.

5-11's code is likely not all that different from Y2kA2...

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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On 09 May 22 07:03:15, Jas Hud said the following to Andre Robitaille:

well people dont really stick around. i just call people on their bullshit people don't like that.

all those people were glad to use my free bbs services for many many years, though. and ask for my help every day.

btw, never heard of you.

I asked you politely in Metronet to provide for me a link to your software, code or accomplishments so I can move past your frequent bravado and focus on your actual technical skillset. You moved goalposts and resulted to insults and that we should all just "know" who you are. If you contributed as much as you say you have, something somewhere would have this on record.

People have called you out on your BS and you don't like that.

Btw, I did not hear of you until only a few years ago.

https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=jas+hud returns no results, so it appears that you were never even a nodelisted Fidonet Sysop (despite your claims you've helped many set this up)

Nick

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Synchronet. It is open source, you don't have to be a programmer to

chang

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whistle
to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

^^^^^^

It would not matter if they were or not because it is not open source.

Mike

what do you mean there?

It would not matter if they were a programmer or not because it (Mystic) is
not open source.

Mike

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it's because rob is a good project manager. he takes people's feedback.

He also has decent-enough patience with people who are constantly asking
him if Rob can change the default colors or add lines to TEXT.DAT or that
won't share the part of their config files he has already asked them to see more than once.

Mike


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i thought he WAS talking about renegade. i feel the same way about renegade and i'm glad i got Jeff to release y2k. too bad we don't have the source to 5-11. also good thing ariven was such a nut case and screwed jeff over.

Actually, I was not. I was talking about GT Power, but I am sure it
happened to plenty of other sysops who purchased a registration and/or paid
for upgrades only to have the author eventually disappear.

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As someone who has done tech for and shared office space with IT recruiters, I
have no interest in recruiting or HR or being in a position to hire someone.

I never liked doing it. It is great when you pick someone good and they
stay, but it is not so great when the pool is thin and you have to pick "someone."

Mike


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On 09 May 22 10:57:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

I never liked doing it. It is great when you pick someone good and they stay, but it is not so great when the pool is thin and you have to pick "someone."

The worst is when HR or someone hires a person to work tech in the company, you do allllllll sorts of training and hand-holding with this new hire... for them to just up and vanish.

I'm lucky to have certain skillsets, even if a bit niche, and never ever had any problem finding steady work. Been lucky to work both offices and at-home gigs and Covid didn't really seriously affect my career stability.

I kinda wished I studied Cobol or Fortran or mainframes or anything that the six-foot-tall-300-pound-bearded-wizards are retiring from, where they were paid all kinds of money and where there is apparently a HUGE demand that is
not being filled by the millenial crowds.

Nick

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On 09 May 22 10:55:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Jas Hud:

Actually, I was not. I was talking about GT Power, but I am sure it happened to plenty of other sysops who purchased a registration and/or paid for upgrades only to have the author eventually disappear.

Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

Nick

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Help or feedback about how my software runs is one thing and in neverendin supply. Help with porting an obscure database library into something a modern compiler can digest is something else. I have no help with that. Bu I did get some nice feedback... "uhh yeah Nick good luck with that".

You keeping using that word community but I do not think it means what you think it means. There is no community of BBS/Fido developers. They are few and far between nowadays and they are often busy with their own stuff.

it's all about how you participate and who you participate with.

you stay away from the communities i am talking about.
that's why you and g00r00 are ignorant about them. I'm not using the word ignorant as an insult. every man is ignorant.

Seems to me G00R00 and Mystic are doing just fine for a closed-source prog that even the militant Linux keyboard warrior fanatics preaching about open-source-everything just seem eager to have it installed and running li kids opening Christmas presents. Hence my remark about moving goalposts.

so why do you always keep bringing up linux? it seems like you have some huge hate for linux. i'm not even talking about linux.

My understanding is that you can do "everything" with the Mystic script language or whatever it has. So how exactly will Mystic be improved by mak it open source? You mention collaboration. On what part exactly? How will likely incompetent people messing with its code benefit the average Sysop?

you and g00r00 will never know, because it will never happen.

but you can SEE how it has happened with synchronet and other bbs softwares.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1109 May 22 09:42:16|03.

On 09 May 22 06:54:59, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

Thats one part of my career I've never been tasked with, hiring others.

I have a good eye for people, but really to hire someone you just need to look at their work history and not be too picky. if someone is of a decen age and they only work at a place 1-2 years something is certainly up.

As someone who has done tech for and shared office space with IT recruiter have no interest in recruiting or HR or being in a position to hire someon

Nick

I don't either, unless it's for someone i'm working with.
if you don't want to help recruit who you are working with, you're fucking nuts. there's some screwballs out there. there's a lot of people on drugs, there's a lot of people with mental issues.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1109 May 22 10:39:22|03.

On 09 May 22 07:09:54, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

i thought he WAS talking about renegade. i feel the same way about renega and i'm glad i got Jeff to release y2k. too bad we don't have the source 5-11. also good thing ariven was such a nut case and screwed jeff over.

5-11's code is likely not all that different from Y2kA2...

Nick

well, depends on your interpretation of likely not all different.

gary hall and who knows else worked on it a bit. it's been so many years i'd have to read the whatsnew files or whatever.

... Never enough time, unless you're serving it.

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I asked you politely in Metronet to provide for me a link to your software code or accomplishments so I can move past your frequent bravado and focus your actual technical skillset. You moved goalposts and resulted to insult and that we should all just "know" who you are. If you contributed as much you say you have, something somewhere would have this on record.

i just don't play along.

i know you are in your own little fishbowl and that's okay.
i've been a part of bbsing on the internet for over 20 years.
i'm not here to educate you.

i don't know much about you either. all i know is you run an old version of renegade and you make a software a handful of people use.

do you actually want me to post my technical skillset? i'm basically retired. i'm through messing with mysql, perl, php, javascript, linux, and windows and building networks.

in the bbs world i ran sites (for over 10 years) that almost everyone benefitted from. and i asked nothing in return. i helped tons of people
that arent around anymore, too.



i'm about enjoying life and not sorry.

https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=jas+hud returns no results, so it appears that you were never even a nodelisted Fidonet Sysop (despite your claims you've helped many set this up)

that's wrong, then.
i was nodelisted and i was on there for many years after i pulled the plug on it.

https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?address=1%3A124%2F7013
it looks like they merged it with bryan's shit.

i also here but the info is wrong here https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?address=1%3A11%2F228

so that's 2 entries that your website is wrong about. probably more mistakes but who cares.

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|03Quoting message from |11Dumas Walker |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1109 May 22 10:53:00|03.

it's because rob is a good project manager. he takes people's feedback.

He also has decent-enough patience with people who are constantly asking him if Rob can change the default colors or add lines to TEXT.DAT or that won't share the part of their config files he has already asked them to se more than once.

Mike

rob has above and beyond patience. especially with me!!

every bbs developer has taken a lot of abuse.
cott lang took tons! i'm not sure if google groups still has this but i've read people DEMANDING this young man do this and that with renegade. not asking. demanding.

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|03Quoting message from |11Dumas Walker |03to |11Nick Andre
|03on |1109 May 22 10:57:00|03.

As someone who has done tech for and shared office space with IT recruiters,

I

have no interest in recruiting or HR or being in a position to hire someone.

I never liked doing it. It is great when you pick someone good and they stay, but it is not so great when the pool is thin and you have to pick "someone."

Mike

there's also bullshit artists and people who just go to school their entire life and do well there, but have no common sense or ability in the real world jobs.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Dumas Walker
|03on |1109 May 22 11:13:21|03.

On 09 May 22 10:55:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Jas Hud:

Actually, I was not. I was talking about GT Power, but I am sure it happened to plenty of other sysops who purchased a registration and/or pai for upgrades only to have the author eventually disappear.

Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on 3 of my bbses with no problems.

i never had to get support for it.

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|03Quoting message from |11Jas Hud |03to |11Nick Andre
|03on |119 May 22 12:42|03.

I asked you politely in Metronet to provide for me a link to your software code or accomplishments so I can move past your frequent bravado and focus your actual technical skillset. You moved goalposts and resulted to insult and that we should all just "know" who you are. If you contributed as much you say you have, something somewhere would have this on record.

one thing i would like to clarrify is i'm a computer enthusiast. I've been an electronics tech for most of my life and now i work in a warehouse and i'm working on being happy and spending time with my god daughter.

after working at a company i hated for almost 20 years, having my mom die of covid and having to deal with her adopted kids and her affairs, AND my best friend blew his brains out has really made me change my focus.

so if you don't know about me i guess go back on archive.org. but maybe you cant do that because i told them to take down my sites they archived via archiveteam.

i ran a bunch of bbs service sites and made a bunch of synchronet mods. years ago i made rg and iniquity mods. i'm just a regular guy.

if you think i'm lying, believe what ya wanna belive. you can probably tell i don't care.

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I'm going to wager a guess that this is MRO. No one on DOVE is so univerally disliked.

Yep! :)

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On 09 May 22 12:27:57, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

it's all about how you participate and who you participate with.

you stay away from the communities i am talking about.

Such as?

so why do you always keep bringing up linux? it seems like you have some hu hate for linux. i'm not even talking about linux.

Because I can.

you and g00r00 will never know, because it will never happen.

but you can SEE how it has happened with synchronet and other bbs softwares

Synchronet also apparently has very advanced scripting capabilities and can be tailored to every conceivable fantasy one dreams up. I challenge you to give
me a scenario where you absolutely MUST have that source code to run a board?

Nick

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On 09 May 22 12:42:30, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

i just don't play along.

Lol you fold the moment someone questions your skillset. If I didn't have
some profound effect on your ego you wouldn't bother to reply twice to one message all emotionally choked up about the recent drama in your life.

You know you can hit the Next key on anything upsetting to you, right?

i don't know much about you either. all i know is you run an old version of renegade and you make a software a handful of people use.

Yes, and both are out there for everyone. Wheres all your stuff?

so that's 2 entries that your website is wrong about. probably more mistake but who cares.

Lol, with your impeccable experience you would know that Nodehist isn't my website. Its written by a Russian developer and extrapolates from publically available nodelists.

Nick

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On 09 May 22 12:48:01, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on 3 of my bbses with no problems.

Good for you. Did you pay for your license keys?

Nick

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On 09 May 22 13:03:35, Jas Hud said the following to All:

one thing i would like to clarrify is i'm a computer enthusiast. I've been electronics tech for most of my life and now i work in a warehouse and i'm working on being happy and spending time with my god daughter.

Sounds wonderful - We all want you to be happy. You should spend less time here seeing as how you are not getting the respect for the many contributions you've made with your years of experience we cannot judge for ourselves.

Nick

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Dumas Walker wrote to JAS HUD <=-

it's because rob is a good project manager. he takes people's feedback.

He also has decent-enough patience with people who are constantly
asking him if Rob can change the default colors or add lines to
TEXT.DAT or that won't share the part of their config files he
has already asked them to see more than once.

Concur 100%. In fact I'd say his patience level and willingness to help
are bordering on the "sainthood" level. For absolute proof of this,
hang out in the #synchronet IRC channel for a few days...



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Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

I asked you politely in Metronet to provide for me a link to your software code or accomplishments so I can move past your frequent bravado and focus your actual technical skillset. You moved goalposts and resulted to insult and that we should all just "know" who you are. If you contributed as much you say you have, something somewhere would have this on record.

i just don't play along.

No, you just avoid giving any information which would backup your
bullshit claims.

i know you are in your own little fishbowl and that's okay.
i've been a part of bbsing on the internet for over 20 years.
i'm not here to educate you.

There's no actual record of that. Probably just more BS.

do you actually want me to post my technical skillset? i'm
basically retired. i'm through messing with mysql, perl, php,
javascript, linux, and windows and building networks.

Yes. Post your skillset, with verifiable data that backs up your
claims. What projects/software/sites/networks?

in the bbs world i ran sites (for over 10 years) that almost
everyone benefitted from. and i asked nothing in return. i
helped tons of people that arent around anymore, too.

What "sites" were those, that helped "almost everyone"? It's a simple question.

https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=jas+hud returns no results, so it appears that you were never even a nodelisted Fidonet Sysop (despite your claims you've helped many set this up)

that's wrong, then.
i was nodelisted and i was on there for many years after i pulled
the plug on it.

https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?address=1%3A124%2F7013
it looks like they merged it with bryan's shit.

i also here but the info is wrong here https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?address=1%3A11%2F228

Yep, that shows you were a sysop for all of 40 days. Wow.

so that's 2 entries that your website is wrong about. probably
more mistakes but who cares.

Pretty poor job, overall, of you discrediting what was said about you,
and a LOT of backpedaling and bullshit.

Crawl back into the woodwork, you're not fooling anybody.


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Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

Actually, I was not. I was talking about GT Power, but I am sure it happened to plenty of other sysops who purchased a registration and/or pai for upgrades only to have the author eventually disappear.

Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on
3 of my bbses with no problems.

What 3 BBSs were those? What were their names? How come they're not
running any more? How long did they run?


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The worst is when HR or someone hires a person to work tech in the company, you do allllllll sorts of training and hand-holding with this new hire... for them to just up and vanish.

That used to happen where I work. State-level government does not pay
great, so you had to hope the younger person was looking for job security or they'd be gone in a year or two.

I'm lucky to have certain skillsets, even if a bit niche, and never ever had any problem finding steady work. Been lucky to work both offices and at-home gigs and Covid didn't really seriously affect my career stability.

I lucked out there also, re: COVID.

I kinda wished I studied Cobol or Fortran or mainframes or anything that the six-foot-tall-300-pound-bearded-wizards are retiring from, where they were paid all kinds of money and where there is apparently a HUGE demand that is not being filled by the millenial crowds.

I am 6' tall, but don't weigh 300 lbs or currently have a beard. I do know COBOL. I don't get paid all kinds of money, but am hoping that opportunity might still exist when I retire from my current job.

One reason millenials are not filling those positions is that supposedly
most US colleges quit teaching those languages.

Mike

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On 09 May 22 10:55:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Jas Hud:

Actually, I was not. I was talking about GT Power, but I am sure it happened to plenty of other sysops who purchased a registration and/or pai
for upgrades only to have the author eventually disappear.

Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

I am also on the "I registered IREX" boat but, luckily, Synchronet has tools that replace most of its functionality, and I was able to replace the rest using an ftp script. There are still times when I wish I had one or two of those extras availabile.

IIRC, Mystic's fidopoll can also mimic several of IREX's features.

Mike

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Synchronet also apparently has very advanced scripting capabilities and can be
tailored to every conceivable fantasy one dreams up. I challenge you to give me a scenario where you absolutely MUST have that source code to run a board?

I once had to change the javascript source to get the news program to do something that IREX did. I did not submit it upstream because I did not know how at the time. I also didn't now how to code javascript but was able to figure it out.

Although I never quite got it working, I was also working on a mod that
would help me not pull thousands of messages from the server when the news service my ISP had contracted out to mysteriously reset their message
pointers. That was common enough to cause problems.

If the source was closed, I would not have had the source to the news
program to (try to) make either change.

My ISP stopped offering a news server years ago, so the code (and the
numbering issue) became obsolete.

Mike


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On 09 May 22 17:53:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

I am also on the "I registered IREX" boat but, luckily, Synchronet has tool that replace most of its functionality, and I was able to replace the rest using an ftp script. There are still times when I wish I had one or two of those extras availabile.

I bought an Internet Rex license and used it for a short while before I ended up going the Russian-BinkD route and the last FTP connection I had faded off to the sunset. Can't remember exactly when that was but I think it was the early 2000's. I did shamelessly rip off -err- "get inspired" by a few of
Irex's features to add them to D'Bridge.

Nick

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On 09 May 22 18:20:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

Although I never quite got it working, I was also working on a mod that would help me not pull thousands of messages from the server when the news service my ISP had contracted out to mysteriously reset their message pointers. That was common enough to cause problems.

Which service was this? I had the exact same problem a few years ago with Usenetdemon. Just up and reset all the pointers for some inexplicable reason.

My ISP stopped offering a news server years ago, so the code (and the numbering issue) became obsolete.

I have the C source code for Vsoup95/NT. I was going to fix a few quirky little things wrong with it but no longer have the time.

Nick

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|03Quoting message from |11James Coyle |03to |11Andre Robitaille
|03on |1109 May 22 12:19:51|03.

I'm going to wager a guess that this is MRO. No one on DOVE is so univerally disliked.

Yep! :)

i'll wear that like a badge considering the people who 'dislike' me.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1109 May 22 14:10:00|03.

On 09 May 22 12:27:57, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

it's all about how you participate and who you participate with.

you stay away from the communities i am talking about.

Such as?

well you live under a rock, so anything that isnt under a rock.

so why do you always keep bringing up linux? it seems like you have some h hate for linux. i'm not even talking about linux.

Because I can.

it's because it's too hard for ya. you're used to your window xp.

Synchronet also apparently has very advanced scripting capabilities and ca tailored to every conceivable fantasy one dreams up. I challenge you to gi me a scenario where you absolutely MUST have that source code to run a boa

Nick

go look up the msg sub where people submitted changes.

you keep asking me to educate you, i keep saying fuck off. how long until you catch on?

i dont have time in my life to teach you.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1109 May 22 14:53:15|03.

On 09 May 22 12:42:30, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

i just don't play along.

Lol you fold the moment someone questions your skillset. If I didn't have some profound effect on your ego you wouldn't bother to reply twice to one message all emotionally choked up about the recent drama in your life.

i dont fold but i just dont play along.

i dont have any ego. anything i try to do, i do. it's not that hard. it just takes effort. you should try that with linux sometime.

i don't know much about you either. all i know is you run an old version o renegade and you make a software a handful of people use.

Yes, and both are out there for everyone. Wheres all your stuff?

my stuff is out there in the bbs community. it's there to be downloaded if you want to. it's nothing special but it works.

Lol, with your impeccable experience you would know that Nodehist isn't my website. Its written by a Russian developer and extrapolates from publical available nodelists.

I think YOU are the one who's confused.

i know the nodelist isnt a website. and i know it's from the nodelists.

those lists are written by people and people make mistakes. so both those entries have errors in them. also i looked up my friend's bbs and that's full of mistakes.

so i would stop using those as a reference for anything. they're not reliable.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1109 May 22 14:55:12|03.

On 09 May 22 12:48:01, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on 3 of my bbses with no problems.

Good for you. Did you pay for your license keys?

Nick

no, one of them is timewarrior's key, one of them is reaper's key and one of them is datastream's key.

if you want any help running irex let me know. it's better than shitbridge.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1109 May 22 15:00:03|03.

On 09 May 22 13:03:35, Jas Hud said the following to All:

one thing i would like to clarrify is i'm a computer enthusiast. I've bee electronics tech for most of my life and now i work in a warehouse and i'm working on being happy and spending time with my god daughter.

Sounds wonderful - We all want you to be happy. You should spend less time here seeing as how you are not getting the respect for the many contributi you've made with your years of experience we cannot judge for ourselves.

thanks man, and your welcome for all i've done for the community.
i'm glad you are finally showing some respect.

good luck with your one trick pony program that 3 people use.

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|03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Dumas Walker
|03on |1109 May 22 14:34:00|03.

Dumas Walker wrote to JAS HUD <=-

it's because rob is a good project manager. he takes people's feedback.

He also has decent-enough patience with people who are constantly asking him if Rob can change the default colors or add lines to TEXT.DAT or that won't share the part of their config files he
has already asked them to see more than once.

Concur 100%. In fact I'd say his patience level and willingness to help are bordering on the "sainthood" level. For absolute proof of this,
hang out in the #synchronet IRC channel for a few days...

he has handled years of phil taylor.

but i've always said this: i've dealt with phil. he is smarter than he lets on. he just has this weird personality trait where he asks questions to stuff he already knows. he HAS setup some complicated stuff with nobody's help. he can do it.

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|03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1109 May 22 14:50:00|03.

Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

I asked you politely in Metronet to provide for me a link to your sof code or accomplishments so I can move past your frequent bravado and your actual technical skillset. You moved goalposts and resulted to i and that we should all just "know" who you are. If you contributed as you say you have, something somewhere would have this on record.

i just don't play along.

No, you just avoid giving any information which would backup your
bullshit claims.

oh look it's gamgee the fail troll.

in the bbs world i ran sites (for over 10 years) that almost
everyone benefitted from. and i asked nothing in return. i
helped tons of people that arent around anymore, too.

What "sites" were those, that helped "almost everyone"? It's a simple question.

boy you are ignorant. you are probably a member of some of them.
if i cared enough i'd go look through my table backups

i also here but the info is wrong here https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?address=1%3A11%2F228

Yep, that shows you were a sysop for all of 40 days. Wow.

that's actually wrong. my feed was some old dude that i could never get into contact with. i never got a feed from him.

i did have a feed in the late 90s though.

so that's 2 entries that your website is wrong about. probably
more mistakes but who cares.

Pretty poor job, overall, of you discrediting what was said about you,
and a LOT of backpedaling and bullshit.

how so? the entries are wrong. can you prove they are correct?

Pretty poor job, overall, of you discrediting what was said about you,
and a LOT of backpedaling and bullshit.

Pretty poor job, overall, of you discrediting what was said about you,
and a LOT of backpedaling and bullshit.

Crawl back into the woodwork, you're not fooling anybody.

fool anybody about what? go back under your rock, fail troll.

i must have hurt you so bad for your asshole to be bleeding all these years.

but i dont even remember you other than some jerk who goes out of his way to try to troll me and then i block you.

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|03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1109 May 22 14:52:00|03.

Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

Actually, I was not. I was talking about GT Power, but I am sure it happened to plenty of other sysops who purchased a registration and/o for upgrades only to have the author eventually disappear.

Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on
3 of my bbses with no problems.

What 3 BBSs were those? What were their names? How come they're not running any more? How long did they run?

more ignorance.

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|03Quoting message from |11Dumas Walker |03to |11Nick Andre
|03on |1109 May 22 18:20:00|03.

Synchronet also apparently has very advanced scripting capabilities and can

be

tailored to every conceivable fantasy one dreams up. I challenge you to give me a scenario where you absolutely MUST have that source code to run a board

I once had to change the javascript source to get the news program to do something that IREX did. I did not submit it upstream because I did not kn how at the time. I also didn't now how to code javascript but was able to figure it out.

well i dont know if you can count changing the javascript as modifying source. is it? i'm sure nick will say the opposite of whatever my opinion is.

i do have a script that 'packs' my user base. which rob says is a no no.
this is due to msg pointers and private msgs [not emails].
i just copy over a default msg pointer to all those packed new accounts.

when i was real anal about having deleted users in my user records i came up with it. it's really not that much of a benefit.

then i had a script that tracker helped me on that deletes users based on whatever criteria you you want. that is useful sometimes. right now i leave all that stuff alone and let the bbs run.

now people do change the source. ragnarok does this. there's a few other guys over the years that have dropped out bbsing that changed the source around.

there's also a lot of contributions that are added in by various people.

nick and g00r00 don't know about this because they don't look.
it's there for anybody to see.

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Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Nick Andre to Dumas Walker on Mon May 09 2022 11:08 am

I kinda wished I studied Cobol or Fortran or mainframes or anything that the six-foot-tall-300-pound-bearded-wizards are retiring from, where they were paid all kinds of money and where there is apparently a HUGE demand that is not being filled by the millenial crowds.

Isn't there an epoch coming up in 2038 when UNIX time_t rolls over? Time to dust off the consulting web site...

Old languages are interesting to re-discover. I'm setting up a DOS VM mostly to play with Turbo Pascal, and I'm looking for a good FORTRAN environment (go figure...)

Nowadays, you could emulate an old IBM system and write COBOL or RPG code on a home system with more power than you'd have used back in the day.
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Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Mon May 09 2022 02:10 pm

Synchronet also apparently has very advanced scripting capabilities and can be
tailored to every conceivable fantasy one dreams up. I challenge you to give me a scenario where you absolutely MUST have that source code to run a board?

Nick

From the top of my head: you want the source code if you want to run the software on a
POSIX compliant Operating System for which the original developer does not care to
release a binary package.

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|03Quoting message from |11Kurt Weiske |03to |11Nick Andre
|03on |1109 May 22 21:52:37|03.

Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Nick Andre to Dumas Walker on Mon May 09 2022 11:08 am

I kinda wished I studied Cobol or Fortran or mainframes or anything that the six-foot-tall-300-pound-bearded-wizards are retiring from, where they were paid all kinds of money and where there is apparently a HUGE demand that is not being filled by the millenial crowds.

Isn't there an epoch coming up in 2038 when UNIX time_t rolls over? Time t dust off the consulting web site...

Old languages are interesting to re-discover. I'm setting up a DOS VM most to play with Turbo Pascal, and I'm looking for a good FORTRAN environment figure...)

Nowadays, you could emulate an old IBM system and write COBOL or RPG code home system with more power than you'd have used back in the day.

i don't think there IS a big calling for cobol programmers like they expected. i know most state's unemployment benefit systems were written in cobol.

they need to just scrap it and start over instead of trying workarounds.
my state rep was on the radio talking about how he was told it functions and it's so backwards and old i'm surprised it could handle anything, much less the bad times during covid.

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|03Quoting message from |11Richard Falken |03to |11Nick Andre
|03on |1110 May 22 05:17:09|03.

Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Mon May 09 2022 02:10 pm

Synchronet also apparently has very advanced scripting capabilities and can

be

tailored to every conceivable fantasy one dreams up. I challenge you to giv me a scenario where you absolutely MUST have that source code to run a

board?

Nick

From the top of my head: you want the source code if you want to run the software on a
POSIX compliant Operating System for which the original developer does not care to
release a binary package.

if you're runing *nix you need to compile it.

i think these guys here were talking about actually modifying the source. they're saying that synchronet is so configurable that it's not necessary. people still edit the source and have their own little versions.

probably the one thing people weren't happy about was the file areas and how they handled LFN and listings. there were a few guys playing around with that and maybe some of their ideas or modifications made into the latest release.

there are some things that are hard coded that i can see people wanting to change. for example some of the color settings are in attr.cfg. that's just a little text file that handles SOME of the colors:

WH Mnemonic Prompts High
G Mnemonic Prompts Low
WH Mnemonic Commands
WH4E String Input Inverse Text
RH Error/Warning Message
WH Node Number in Node Status
GH User Name in Node Status
G Node Status
BH File Name in Listings
M File Points in Listings
W File Descriptions in Listings
YH File Listings Header Box
B File Listings Title Underline
GH Chat Text Input Locally
G Chat Text Input Remotely
W Mult-node Chat Text Input
WH External Programs (default attribute)
WH5 Votes Full
WH Votes Empty
WH5 Progress Complete
WH Progress Incomplete


i think it's obvious to most people that these values belong in the text.dat
if i was enthusiastic enough about bbsing and we had some users, i'd probably make this change for my own system. BUT..... if there was another release i'd just be screwed and have to work around their next changes.
it would be better to get them to accept the changes and then submit it.

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Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

in the bbs world i ran sites (for over 10 years) that almost
everyone benefitted from. and i asked nothing in return. i
helped tons of people that arent around anymore, too.

What "sites" were those, that helped "almost everyone"? It's a simple question.

boy you are ignorant. you are probably a member of some of them.
if i cared enough i'd go look through my table backups

As I said, it was a simple question. And yet, you still failed.

i also here but the info is wrong here https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?address=1%3A11%2F228

Yep, that shows you were a sysop for all of 40 days. Wow.

that's actually wrong. my feed was some old dude that i could
never get into contact with. i never got a feed from him.
i did have a feed in the late 90s though.

The site is accurate for my listing(s), and everyone else's that I've
ever tried to look at. Why is it wrong for yours?

That's right. It's not wrong. You're just lying.

Pretty poor job, overall, of you discrediting what was said about you,
and a LOT of backpedaling and bullshit.

how so? the entries are wrong. can you prove they are correct?

The "burden" is not on me to prove they are correct. Bottom line is
there is no record of you being a Fidonet sysop. Simple fact.

Go away, liar. Nobody believes a word you say. You want to know why? Because.... when asked to back up your claims, you NEVER respond in a
way that answers the question. You spout stupidity and have nothing to
prove any of your claims. You're a laughingstock, troll-boi.


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Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on
3 of my bbses with no problems.

What 3 BBSs were those? What were their names? How come they're not running any more? How long did they run?

more ignorance.

How so? I'm asking you a few simple questions. You fail to answer, as always. You're making yourself look foolish, as always. A bullshitter
with no facts to back up his claims.



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On 09 May 22 23:30:21, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

you stay away from the communities i am talking about.

Such as?

well you live under a rock, so anything that isnt under a rock.

In other words, you can't name one. Gotcha.

it's because it's too hard for ya. you're used to your window xp.

I'm not the only one running a board on a "retro" environment but for some reason you wanted to single me out because you can. Thats fine but you clearly don't bring anything to the table but unoriginal teenager insults.

Was hoping you'd impress us all here with your 20 years of computer tech
skills and show us all why we're all wrong about you and why you're so right.

Nick

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On 09 May 22 23:34:19, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on 3 of my bbses with no problems.

Good for you. Did you pay for your license keys?

no, one of them is timewarrior's key, one of them is reaper's key and one o them is datastream's key.

Lol, the original conversation was about paying for something to have the author abandon. You mentioned you installed Irex for 3 different BBS's and
had "no problem". Uhh okay, good for you but thats not what this was about.

So I asked you if you paid for your license keys.

You did not.

Bascially, you contributed nothing to the topic discussed other than showing everyone you're an asshat.

Was hoping for something better with your 20 years of computer skillz?

if you want any help running irex let me know. it's better than shitbridge

I'll bet it is. Let us know when the next Irex version comes out?

Nick

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On 10 May 22 05:17:09, Richard Falken said the following to Nick Andre:

From the top of my head: you want the source code if you want to run the software on a
POSIX compliant Operating System for which the original developer does not care to
release a binary package.

Did Rob give specific reasons as to why he wouldn't?

Nick

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On 09 May 22 21:52:37, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

Isn't there an epoch coming up in 2038 when UNIX time_t rolls over? Time to dust off the consulting web site...

Something like that, yes. Rob and I actually traded emails about a concern I had over a potential problem with Zmodem.

I have not had the time yet to fire up a VM to test this further.

Nick

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On 09 May 22 23:33:21, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

those lists are written by people and people make mistakes. so both those entries have errors in them. also i looked up my friend's bbs and that's f of mistakes.

so i would stop using those as a reference for anything. they're not reliab

Maybe, but NodeHist is a project that documents a living timeline of events. Errors or not its established you eventually pulled a vanishing act.

You're getting a bit bland for my tastes; I was expecting more technically stimulating convo from someone with 20 years of computer skillz.

Nick

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Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

one thing i think is funny is how they ask you to say something bad
about yourself. like who is stupid enough to do that. i just say 'i
care too much' or something like that.

"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?"

"Well, Keith, I'd say listening is my biggest weakness."



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Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

I have a good eye for people, but really to hire someone you just need
to look at their work history and not be too picky. if someone is of a decent age and they only work at a place 1-2 years something is
certainly up.

I don't look to harshly at 1-2 year stints, especially in tech.
There's a lot of possibility for upward mobility there. It certainly
merits a deeper dive to make sure that there aren't personality
issues driving the movement.

I had one boss neg me on a "director/manager" role, they wanted to
sell the director role and pay for a manager. He commented that I'd
"moved around a lot" when I had spent 2 years at my last job, 2 years
before that, and 4 year before that.

I saw his resume after he'd left, and he hadn't lasted a year at his
last 3 gigs. I'm *sure* he had a reason, though.



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Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

i don't think there IS a big calling for cobol programmers like they expected. i know most state's unemployment benefit systems were written
in cobol.

Y2K did manage to re-employ tons of COBOL programmers, right when
they were getting ready to retire. My bet would be on RPG as the next
retirement employment opportunity, as IBM has worked to keep the
hardware relevant. You could migrate off of your RPG code onto
virtualized *nix, on the same box.

they need to just scrap it and start over instead of trying
workarounds. my state rep was on the radio talking about how he was
told it functions and it's so backwards and old i'm surprised it could handle anything, much less the bad times during covid.

Some people don't change. I've seen people that worked swing shifts
swapping tapes, printing out reports and running through maintenance
checklists, right up until they unplugged the last AS/400 and laid
them off. Didn't know what hit them.





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Dumas Walker wrote to NICK ANDRE <=-

That used to happen where I work. State-level government does not pay great, so you had to hope the younger person was looking for job
security or they'd be gone in a year or two.

When I worked in local government IT, there were younger people who
started working there looking for job security. They were still
there, 30 years later.

We half-joked that some of the people working there started working
before their manager was born. Half-joking, because it was true.

It takes a certain mentality to work in a job like that for so long,
keep your head down, do everything you can do not stand out, do the
same thing day after day, take a union-mandated raise every once in a
while, and retire with a pension.

That ain't me.


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|03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 May 22 07:31:00|03.

Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

in the bbs world i ran sites (for over 10 years) that almost everyone benefitted from. and i asked nothing in return. i helped tons of people that arent around anymore, too.

What "sites" were those, that helped "almost everyone"? It's a simpl question.

boy you are ignorant. you are probably a member of some of them.
if i cared enough i'd go look through my table backups

As I said, it was a simple question. And yet, you still failed.

sorry gamgee. i dont feed the trolls!

that's actually wrong. my feed was some old dude that i could
never get into contact with. i never got a feed from him.
i did have a feed in the late 90s though.

The site is accurate for my listing(s), and everyone else's that I've
ever tried to look at. Why is it wrong for yours?

That's right. It's not wrong. You're just lying.

you're so full of shit your eyes are brown. you didn't even look

The "burden" is not on me to prove they are correct. Bottom line is
there is no record of you being a Fidonet sysop. Simple fact.

i just showed 2 urls, gamgee.

Because.... when asked to back up your claims, you NEVER respond in a
way that answers the question. You spout stupidity and have nothing to prove any of your claims. You're a laughingstock, troll-boi.

gamgee. come on. tell me how i hurt you. why is your ass bleeding.
i dont know you but you've always acted like you knew me and always tried to pick a fight and i wouldn't bite.

come on gamgee. let it out.

... Sometimes the depths of your ignorance amazes even me.

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|03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 May 22 07:33:00|03.

Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex o 3 of my bbses with no problems.

What 3 BBSs were those? What were their names? How come they're not running any more? How long did they run?

more ignorance.

How so? I'm asking you a few simple questions. You fail to answer, as always. You're making yourself look foolish, as always. A bullshitter with no facts to back up his claims.

you have literally tried to troll me when i posted on all my bbses gamgee.
you even got yelled at last month.
I have 4 bbses that have been up very very long.

you're the liar, gamgee.

tell me, why is your anus in agony because of me? what did i do to you.
maybe i will make amends, gamgee.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 May 22 08:21:50|03.

On 09 May 22 23:30:21, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

you stay away from the communities i am talking about.

Such as?

well you live under a rock, so anything that isnt under a rock.

In other words, you can't name one. Gotcha.

i just dont do my homework for people. i dont have time in my life for that.

you don't think there's collaborative communities in bbsing, you keep believing that. you're only holding yourself back. just like your hate of linux.

I'm not the only one running a board on a "retro" environment but for some reason you wanted to single me out because you can. Thats fine but you cle don't bring anything to the table but unoriginal teenager insults.

hey more power to you if you think you're running a board in a retro environment. you're not, you're just using an obsolete OS that shouldn't be on the internet . if you want to wear that windows xp like a badge, go ahead fella. that's good that you run sofware and hardware that i've rather toss
in the dumpster. good for you.

Was hoping you'd impress us all here with your 20 years of computer tech skills and show us all why we're all wrong about you and why you're so rig

Nick

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as you like to say, i dont like to compare penises [if i did you would lose]

i did have an impressive amount of knowledge. i am really surprised when i look at all the stuff i've done. even just scripts on my bbs are pretty involved and i have to shake off the rust to remember stuff. if you dont use it, you lose it. but i have forgotten more stuff than most people have known. especially if you look at whats left.

i'm glad you run an older version of renegade on older hardware.
what i didnt like is you didnt realize why you had your issue.

i'm all for diversity. i don't really call bbses anymore but sometimes i visit the hourly bbs on my irc channel and i just hate seeing a default synchronet or mystic bbs. now it's more mystic ones which is sad.

good for you and i apologize. i was just being defensive about pcmike's software which i myself have complained about.
your issue was because of your old software, though and i wish you could have come to realize that.

... Bought some powdered water.....What do I add??

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Good for you. Did you pay for your license keys?

no, one of them is timewarrior's key, one of them is reaper's key and one them is datastream's key.

Lol, the original conversation was about paying for something to have the author abandon. You mentioned you installed Irex for 3 different BBS's and had "no problem". Uhh okay, good for you but thats not what this was about

"LOL", you talked shit about irex like usual and i said i had no problem.
the only stuff i paid for was lord and planets. i wouldn't have paid for anything else. most of my stuff i inherited and donated to the bbs community.

you haven't done that with one thing, have you?

if you want to talk about the original conversation, whats wrong with paying for something and having the author drop it. did you buy a subscription?
you expect someone to kiss your ass because you paid a few bucks?

you should have bought it because it worked for you and left it like that. don't expect anything else unless you are told.
especially concerning the software and what it's used for. it's stupid to complain about that.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Richard Falken
|03on |1110 May 22 08:41:17|03.

On 10 May 22 05:17:09, Richard Falken said the following to Nick Andre:

From the top of my head: you want the source code if you want to run the software on a
POSIX compliant Operating System for which the original developer does not care to
release a binary package.

Did Rob give specific reasons as to why he wouldn't?

usually it's because they didn't have an environment to compile it in.

it's best to compile your own stuff, though.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 May 22 09:28:32|03.

On 09 May 22 23:33:21, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

those lists are written by people and people make mistakes. so both those entries have errors in them. also i looked up my friend's bbs and that's of mistakes.

so i would stop using those as a reference for anything. they're not relia

Maybe, but NodeHist is a project that documents a living timeline of event Errors or not its established you eventually pulled a vanishing act.

You're getting a bit bland for my tastes; I was expecting more technically stimulating convo from someone with 20 years of computer skillz.

yeah it's a documentation from a human with errors.

yeah i pulled vanishing acts. you said i was never on there.
like i said the first one my feed was a cook.

with datastream i was just sick of fidonet. it was so shitty back then.
shannon wanted me to take over for him but he took off and i just took off too. there was no benefit. unlike some people if something's old and useless, i toss it.

really, the cooking echo and this echo are the only decent ones on fidonet.

You're getting a bit bland for my tastes; I was expecting more technically stimulating convo from someone with 20 years of computer skillz.

sorry like i said i'm not here to educate people. i'm not here to play sword fight with our dicks with you.

i've ran a bbs since 1997 and have a bunch running now. i ran a bunch of sites most bbs people used. it's all no big deal. the only one making it a big deal is you.

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|03Quoting message from |11Kurt Weiske |03to |11Jas Hud
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Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

one thing i think is funny is how they ask you to say something bad about yourself. like who is stupid enough to do that. i just say 'i care too much' or something like that.

"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?"

"Well, Keith, I'd say listening is my biggest weakness."

that's a good one.

normally i go with the mitch hedberg answer.

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|03Quoting message from |11Kurt Weiske |03to |11Jas Hud
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Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

I have a good eye for people, but really to hire someone you just nee to look at their work history and not be too picky. if someone is of decent age and they only work at a place 1-2 years something is certainly up.

I don't look to harshly at 1-2 year stints, especially in tech.
There's a lot of possibility for upward mobility there. It certainly
merits a deeper dive to make sure that there aren't personality
issues driving the movement.

I had one boss neg me on a "director/manager" role, they wanted to
sell the director role and pay for a manager. He commented that I'd
"moved around a lot" when I had spent 2 years at my last job, 2 years
before that, and 4 year before that.

I saw his resume after he'd left, and he hadn't lasted a year at his
last 3 gigs. I'm *sure* he had a reason, though.

yeah i had an interview at a place in january that i was interested in and i learned later it was falling apart. the complained about me leaving my job of 17 years and then i tried 2 other places and i didn't like it until i stuck with my current job.

they are around my age and they havent been at a place more than 1-2 years. they take positions they can't handle and bomb out. you cant hide for long in a company like that, no matter how braindead they are.


at the interview they also asked me if i can do other things that were totally unrelated to my position; a mechanic position. i'm not going to be a mechanic and do my regular job and not get extra money for it.

good thing indeed is so great with reviews. i pulled up the reviews for this place and i really dodged a bullet. so now i'm working in a warehouse and i have great insurance and i'm considering taking some classes with them paying for it upfront. i'm not a big fan of school because i'm so impatient and
i'm a quick learner. i'm going to get more information and see if there's anything i can pick up.

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|03Quoting message from |11Kurt Weiske |03to |11Jas Hud
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Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

i don't think there IS a big calling for cobol programmers like they expected. i know most state's unemployment benefit systems were writt in cobol.

Y2K did manage to re-employ tons of COBOL programmers, right when
they were getting ready to retire. My bet would be on RPG as the next
retirement employment opportunity, as IBM has worked to keep the
hardware relevant. You could migrate off of your RPG code onto
virtualized *nix, on the same box.

i heard talk of y2k cobol armageddon but then i was unsure if that ever came into fruition. my friends in IT never brought it up. i know on the news they mentioned hiring cobol programmers for short contracts. i am not sure how that panned out.

Some people don't change. I've seen people that worked swing shifts
swapping tapes, printing out reports and running through maintenance
checklists, right up until they unplugged the last AS/400 and laid
them off. Didn't know what hit them.

man i miss as400. i could do so much with it. we switched to jdedwards at my job and had a rough time in transition.

Companies just have stupid people that dont take accountability. they let things fall apart. some people wouldn't even pull the fire alarm if the place was on fire.

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before their manager was born. Half-joking, because it was true.

It takes a certain mentality to work in a job like that for so long,
keep your head down, do everything you can do not stand out, do the
same thing day after day, take a union-mandated raise every once in a
while, and retire with a pension.

That ain't me.

that's a spineless way to live. if there's a problem i have to speak up about it. i cant go under the radar. i'm not a meek person.

i hate people that dont care

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Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

in the bbs world i ran sites (for over 10 years) that almost everyone benefitted from. and i asked nothing in return. i helped tons of people that arent around anymore, too.

What "sites" were those, that helped "almost everyone"? It's a simpl question.

boy you are ignorant. you are probably a member of some of them.
if i cared enough i'd go look through my table backups

As I said, it was a simple question. And yet, you still failed.

sorry gamgee. i dont feed the trolls!

Trolling? Nope. Just a simple question, that you won't answer. I
think we can all see who the troll/liar/bullshitter is here.

Answer the question. What sites did you run that helped "almost
everyone"?

that's actually wrong. my feed was some old dude that i could
never get into contact with. i never got a feed from him.
i did have a feed in the late 90s though.

The site is accurate for my listing(s), and everyone else's that I've
ever tried to look at. Why is it wrong for yours?

That's right. It's not wrong. You're just lying.

you're so full of shit your eyes are brown. you didn't even look

Another non-response. Your claims do not verify.

The "burden" is not on me to prove they are correct. Bottom line is
there is no record of you being a Fidonet sysop. Simple fact.

i just showed 2 urls, gamgee.

Yep, and *ONE* of them showed you listed in Fidonet for 40 days. Facts.

You have a hard time dealing with facts, don't you?



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Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

What 3 BBSs were those? What were their names? How come they're not running any more? How long did they run?

more ignorance.

How so? I'm asking you a few simple questions. You fail to answer, as always. You're making yourself look foolish, as always. A bullshitter with no facts to back up his claims.

you have literally tried to troll me when i posted on all my
bbses gamgee. you even got yelled at last month.
I have 4 bbses that have been up very very long.

So you say. Why not tell the names of these BBSes? What harm is there
in doing that?

you're the liar, gamgee.

I haven't lied here. Just asking a very simple question that you won't answer. It's not hard to understand why though.... because if you DID
answer, we'd all see that you're a lying POS. You make claims but can't
back them up when asked to.

Same old story with you. Why can't you list these 4 BBSes that are up
and running and have been for a long time?



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Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

i've ran a bbs since 1997 and have a bunch running now.

What are the addresses of the "bunch" running now?

i ran a bunch of sites most bbs people used.

What were some of these "sites"?


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On 10 May 22 10:44:26, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

well you live under a rock, so anything that isnt under a rock.

In other words, you can't name one. Gotcha.

i just dont do my homework for people. i dont have time in my life for that

You don't have time to copy-n-paste something to shut me up about it but
you have time to write me paragraphs of insult nonsense. You can't or won't answer a simple question. Where do I find and join communities of fellow BBS programmers. NOT fellow BBS users or Sysops as there are plenty of those.

hey more power to you if you think you're running a board in a retro environment. you're not, you're just using an obsolete OS that shouldn't b on the internet . if you want to wear that windows xp like a badge, go ah fella. that's good that you run sofware and hardware that i've rather toss in the dumpster. good for you.

The only person who has a problem with my setup... is you.

i'm glad you run an older version of renegade on older hardware.
what i didnt like is you didnt realize why you had your issue.

Again - Net2BBS one day stopped working. I did everything conceivable to try to fix it. Then I replaced it with something else that did work. Problem solved. Nobody else saw a problem with the logic in this... but you.

Next you intervened with several messages of insults and nonsense on Metronet, not realising that had you of allowed me to explain or even better, called my board, you would clearly see that I'm running NetFoss, just not the Net2bbs component. Both are PC-Mike's products. One works for me and one doesn't.

your issue was because of your old software, though and i wish you could ha

Nope.

good for you and i apologize. i was just being defensive about pcmike's software which i myself have complained about.

Sorry, not accepted. Everyone gets one chance with me and you blew it.

Nick

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On 10 May 22 10:47:28, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

if you want to talk about the original conversation, whats wrong with payin for something and having the author drop it. did you buy a subscription? you expect someone to kiss your ass because you paid a few bucks?

Many people bought license keys for Irex. I was one of them. There was no question that for a time the software filled a need and worked very well. You would most certainly agree with your 20 years of computer skillz.

Now I understand if its mentally challenging for you to entertain the idea of "software support" because you love free keys, but Charles was in a fact a
very active developer who led people to believe he would support his products that people were paying him decent money for. Sadly that was not the case.

When he vanished from the scene, he left a 3rd-party gateway in place for a time to accept payments for his software. It looked odd to many Sysops here to continue to accept payments for something that is no longer supported. Most other Fido authors were decent enough to release keys or keygens as freeware.

The problem was not the lack of support, but the way Charles left with no exit-strategy in place for his popular software. Irex is functionally limited unless you *PAY* for a license key. Its hard to do that now with the payment gateway apparently shut down.

I know you'll be Captain Obvious now and say "keys are available if you look for them" but that doesn't change the fact that its abandonware which one cannot register in their OWN NAME unless one is a hex-editing Rain Man genius.

Irex has many bugs that will never be fixed, including a DNS dependancy problem on Linux. Which is why maaaaaaaaaaany people ditched that abandonware and went with the open-source BinkD project or stuff based from it. D'Bridge, Argus, Taurus, MIS in Mystic, Synchronet, MBSE, etc etc...

Irex has a problem that affects future developers - you know, that "community" you like to bring up - where if you write a BinkD mailer you must take into account the idiosyncratic ways that Irex does handshaking. G00R00 wrote many detailed first-hand accounts of this problem.

The Irex debacle has been discussed so many times in Fidonet and in the IREX echo which I'm sure TJ carries on his board for you to read up on. If TJ's backlog of mail doesn't go far enough, mine does.

Nick

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On 10 May 22 10:51:51, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

sorry like i said i'm not here to educate people. i'm not here to play swor fight with our dicks with you.

Your many nonsense replies to me suggest otherwise. There is no harm in hitting the Next key if you grow impatient. When you have 20 years of skillz you're bound to get frustrated with all the newbies here. We all understand.

i've ran a bbs since 1997 and have a bunch running now. i ran a bunch of sites most bbs people used. it's all no big deal. the only one making it a big deal is you.

But you flake out when asked for addresses. Why can't we call your board?

Anyone can call mine, anyone can install my software, anyone can research me all over. Nothing to hide or brag about. You on the other hand make it a point to say you have all this experience and if we don't like it, we suck.

Having some bravado is fine if you earned it; you can get away with being a bit of a dick. Having some with nothing to show for it, not even a board we can all see for ourselves... makes you an asshat. Widely despised everywhere.

Its pretty hard to get flamed on Dovenet unless you *want* to be flamed...

Nick

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sorry gamgee. i dont feed the trolls!

Trolling? Nope. Just a simple question, that you won't answer. I
think we can all see who the troll/liar/bullshitter is here.

Answer the question. What sites did you run that helped "almost everyone"?

sorry gamgee. i don't understand what you are saying.
can you ask again real slowly.

you're so full of shit your eyes are brown. you didn't even look

Another non-response. Your claims do not verify.

The "burden" is not on me to prove they are correct. Bottom line is there is no record of you being a Fidonet sysop. Simple fact.

i just showed 2 urls, gamgee.

Yep, and *ONE* of them showed you listed in Fidonet for 40 days. Facts.

You have a hard time dealing with facts, don't you?

i think you have reading problems gamgee. they have programs for that.
maybe you can try for your GED.

also you are asking me for my bbses yet claim to have read this nodelist search site.

more reading issues.

you are referencing the one system where i couldn't get ahold of my feed and applying it to the other one in 2007 where i had a fidonet feed for quite a while.

anyways, lets cut the bullshit.
you don't care about any of this. you just want to smear me.

so come on, why won't you tell me how i hurt you?
come on kiddo. open up. cat got your tongue, gamgee?

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you have literally tried to troll me when i posted on all my
bbses gamgee. you even got yelled at last month.
I have 4 bbses that have been up very very long.

So you say. Why not tell the names of these BBSes? What harm is there
in doing that?

you're the liar, gamgee.

I haven't lied here. Just asking a very simple question that you won't answer. It's not hard to understand why though.... because if you DID

I haven't lied here. Just asking a very simple question that you won't answer. It's not hard to understand why though.... because if you DID answer, we'd all see that you're a lying POS. You make claims but can't back them up when asked to.

Same old story with you. Why can't you list these 4 BBSes that are up
and running and have been for a long time?

it's very strange that you are asking questions about something you already know about.

even something sean had to talk to you about just last month.
do you have memory issues?
i thought you might be brain damaged, but does it affect your memory too, sport?

you have even been a user on one or two of them.

I don't understand why you are playing these games, gamgee. what is your thought process behind this?

how about you send me your address and i'll order some prep h for your sore ass from amazon. it's on me, gamgee.

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|03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 May 22 10:55:00|03.

Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

i've ran a bbs since 1997 and have a bunch running now.

What are the addresses of the "bunch" running now?

quit playing your games gamgee.
i've told you to fuck off on all of them.

i ran a bunch of sites most bbs people used.

What were some of these "sites"?

well it's not your momma's pussy. everyone's used that too.

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i just dont do my homework for people. i dont have time in my life for tha

You don't have time to copy-n-paste something to shut me up about it but you have time to write me paragraphs of insult nonsense. You can't or won' answer a simple question. Where do I find and join communities of fellow B programmers. NOT fellow BBS users or Sysops as there are plenty of those.

cut and paste what from where?

do you and gamgee have the same mental disorder?
i've already answered your questions.

good for you and i apologize. i was just being defensive about pcmike's software which i myself have complained about.

Sorry, not accepted. Everyone gets one chance with me and you blew it.

Nick

and now i cry.

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Many people bought license keys for Irex. I was one of them. There was no question that for a time the software filled a need and worked very well. would most certainly agree with your 20 years of computer skillz.

i probably have around 35 years worth of computer skills. update your records.

The Irex debacle has been discussed so many times in Fidonet and in the IR echo which I'm sure TJ carries on his board for you to read up on. If TJ's backlog of mail doesn't go far enough, mine does.

if i want to die of boredom i'll go back and read you cry about it.
right now i could not care less.

i recall something about there being a site that accepted registrations.
i probably was going to register with it. i think i have the url in
my bbs links on one of my old sites.

i'm not surprised it happened and neither should you.
maybe the guy became ill.
maybe he lost the source code and couldn't support himself due to his health.

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hey gamgee

here's an old backup of my user file.
it's raw output but easy to read.

who's this?

https://i.imgur.com/6n8Rqmk.png


told you guys he's a liar about not knowing shit about me or my bbses.

this dude has been on me like flies on shit since day one.

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On 10 May 22 14:51:11, Jas Hud said the following to Gamgee:

hey gamgee
here's an old backup of my user file.
it's raw output but easy to read.
who's this?

Ahh the screenshots game... Almost as credible as showing off log files.

How do we know you didn't create an account on your own board as Gamgee/Dan?

Nick

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Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

i just showed 2 urls, gamgee.

Yep, and *ONE* of them showed you listed in Fidonet for 40 days. Facts.

you are referencing the one system where i couldn't get ahold of
my feed and applying it to the other one in 2007 where i had a
fidonet feed for quite a while.

If you couldn't get ahold of your feed, how'd you get a feed?

Here is the result of searching Jason Hud on the nodelist search:

Search by sysop name
Enter sysop name:
1:11/228 Jason Hud from Racine WI 2007.01.12 - 2007.02.23 1:124/7013 Bryan Turner-Jason Hud from Garland TX 2007.01.19 - 2012.10.24

So, like I already said, it shows you listed for about 40 days.

That other entry, I don't know about. Is 'Bryan Turner' your butt-buddy
and you were a "co-sysop" (which means you're a nothing)? Did you live
in Garland TX? Doubt it. For some reason you got that dude to include
your name on his nodelist entry?

Now come back and show me some other result from the node search. The
above is all there is.

You're a poser, and a liar.



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Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Same old story with you. Why can't you list these 4 BBSes that are up
and running and have been for a long time?

it's very strange that you are asking questions about something
you already know about.

Nope, not strange. Simply asking you to list the "4 BBSes" that you
run. Why wouldn't you do that, just to prove me wrong?

The answer is that you do not run any BBSes, and are lying.



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Jas Hud wrote to Gamgee <=-

here's an old backup of my user file.
it's raw output but easy to read.
who's this?

told you guys he's a liar about not knowing shit about me or my
bbses.

I have called a lot of random (and now forgotten) BBSes, like most
anyone has. Possibly I did call yours and have no idea what it was
called.

Why won't you tell what the name(s) of your BBSes are? Is it because
they're no longer running, and you don't want to admit your irrelvance,
and that you're an exaggerating bullshitter?

Yup.



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I bought an Internet Rex license and used it for a short while before I ended up going the Russian-BinkD route and the last FTP connection I had faded off to the sunset. Can't remember exactly when that was but I think it was the early 2000's. I did shamelessly rip off -err- "get inspired" by a few of Irex's features to add them to D'Bridge.

I am sure your users are glad you did. It gives them a still-supported alternative.

Mike


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Although I never quite got it working, I was also working on a mod that would help me not pull thousands of messages from the server when the news
service my ISP had contracted out to mysteriously reset their message pointers. That was common enough to cause problems.

Which service was this? I had the exact same problem a few years ago with Usenetdemon. Just up and reset all the pointers for some inexplicable reason.

I cannot remember who they farmed it out to now or I would be happy to tell
you about it. It may have happened as often as once a month.

Mike


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I once had to change the javascript source to get the news program to do something that IREX did. I did not submit it upstream because I did not kn
how at the time. I also didn't now how to code javascript but was able to
figure it out.

well i dont know if you can count changing the javascript as modifying source.
is it? i'm sure nick will say the opposite of whatever my opinion is.

I would look at it this way... it was javascript that controlled one of the features of the system (the newserver) that likely would not have been
there to change if the project was closed source. If it had turned out to
be part of the C source, I could have tried to modify it there also.

then i had a script that tracker helped me on that deletes users based on whatever criteria you you want. that is useful sometimes. right now i leave all that stuff alone and let the bbs run.

That sounds like it could be useful if one wanted to be able to do so.

Mike


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On 10 May 22 14:36:18, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

i probably have around 35 years worth of computer skills. update your records.

Correction noted. Only 35? I was expecting you to conjure up a tale of inventing some worldwide standard we all use which you never got credit for.

if i want to die of boredom i'll go back and read you cry about it.
right now i could not care less.

.... yet you continue below to write about it...

i recall something about there being a site that accepted registrations.
i probably was going to register with it. i think i have the url in
my bbs links on one of my old sites.

i'm not surprised it happened and neither should you.
maybe the guy became ill.
maybe he lost the source code and couldn't support himself due to his healt

I gave my license key to someone else once I wrote my own solution. According to my dev-notes that would of been around....... '06 I think.

https://fido-z1.darkrealms.ca/files/dbridge/history.txt

Never looked back after that.

Nick

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On 10 May 22 15:04:00, Dan Clough said the following to Jas Hud:

Here is the result of searching Jason Hud on the nodelist search:

Search by sysop name
Enter sysop name:
1:11/228 Jason Hud from Racine WI 2007.01.12 - 2007.02.23

I'm curious how he managed to get an RIN listing...

Nick

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On 10 May 22 15:10:00, Dan Clough said the following to Jas Hud:

I have called a lot of random (and now forgotten) BBSes, like most
anyone has. Possibly I did call yours and have no idea what it was called.

Never admit you did, because the screenshot-game and logfile-game has been trotted out in Fido so many times over the years in some desperate attempt to win whatever stupid arguments. Both these things can be faked.

The fact that he took the trouble to do a screenshot, blur it out, upload to a sharing site means "the end" has been reached for any rational discussion.

It might not even be his user-file...

Nick

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On 10 May 22 15:57:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

I bought an Internet Rex license and used it for a short while before I ended up going the Russian-BinkD route and the last FTP connection I had faded off to the sunset. Can't remember exactly when that was but I think it was the early 2000's. I did shamelessly rip off -err- "get inspired" by a few of Irex's features to add them to D'Bridge.

I am sure your users are glad you did. It gives them a still-supported alternative.

Yup. Porting all my code to Linux / 64-bit Windows is the current challenge.

Nick

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On 10 May 22 15:58:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

Which service was this? I had the exact same problem a few years ago with Usenetdemon. Just up and reset all the pointers for some inexplicable reason.

I cannot remember who they farmed it out to now or I would be happy to tell you about it. It may have happened as often as once a month.

Ahh okay. I paid for an actual subscription to Usenetdemon. It worked flawlessly for years until that one day.

Nick

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if you want to talk about the original conversation, whats wrong with payi for something and having the author drop it. did you buy a subscription? you expect someone to kiss your ass because you paid a few bucks?

Nick did buy it ... then he donated it to me after he wasn't using it. I was lucky enough to get ahold of the author and gave him Nick's key and he sent me one in my name.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 May 22 14:42:00|03.

On 10 May 22 10:51:51, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

sorry like i said i'm not here to educate people. i'm not here to play swo fight with our dicks with you.

Your many nonsense replies to me suggest otherwise. There is no harm in hitting the Next key if you grow impatient. When you have 20 years of skil you're bound to get frustrated with all the newbies here. We all understan

wrong again. more than 20 years.

But you flake out when asked for addresses. Why can't we call your board?

no lamers allowed. gamgee calls my bbses all the time. someday i will put his ip in ip.can

Anyone can call mine, anyone can install my software, anyone can research all over. Nothing to hide or brag about. You on the other hand make it a p to say you have all this experience and if we don't like it, we suck.

EWW install your software. you almost made me lose my lunch here.

Its pretty hard to get flamed on Dovenet unless you *want* to be flamed...

dont know what you mean about that.

... Honk if you've never seen an Uzi fired from a car window.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 May 22 16:04:45|03.

On 10 May 22 14:51:11, Jas Hud said the following to Gamgee:

hey gamgee
here's an old backup of my user file.
it's raw output but easy to read.
who's this?

Ahh the screenshots game... Almost as credible as showing off log files.

How do we know you didn't create an account on your own board as Gamgee/Da

Nick

oh man you got me. i made it all up to prove nothing.
here's another one

https://i.imgur.com/OrDSDV1.png

also last time he was on it was 12 mins and he used quikedit.


but you're right. i dont even know what a bbs is and i just got here this week. you found me out bro.

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Yup. Porting all my code to Linux / 64-bit Windows is the current challeng

^^^^^^^^^

Don't you DARE say those swear words outloud again!!

... It's great to do nothing and rest afterwards.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 May 22 16:23:36|03.

On 10 May 22 14:36:18, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

i probably have around 35 years worth of computer skills. update your records.

Correction noted. Only 35? I was expecting you to conjure up a tale of inventing some worldwide standard we all use which you never got credit fo

you probably have adopted some of my practices without even knowing it.
a butterfly effect thing.
you're certainly benefitted to my existance in the online bbs community for the past 22 years.

For instance you are using the version of renegade i
convinced hex luthor to release. patrick trans did screw him over about some hardware so it wasnt that hard.

I gave my license key to someone else once I wrote my own solution. Accord to my dev-notes that would of been around....... '06 I think.

https://fido-z1.darkrealms.ca/files/dbridge/history.txt

Never looked back after that.

my reg on my main bbs says
martin nickell
starfleet command bbs

no idea where i picked that up

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If you couldn't get ahold of your feed, how'd you get a feed?

he called me up one time and dude could barely hear. i tried contacting him after that and then just gave up. dude was older than dirt.

Here is the result of searching Jason Hud on the nodelist search:

Search by sysop name

dipshit you are literally posting from the links i gave you.
like you discovered something.

So, like I already said, it shows you listed for about 40 days.

i shouldnt even have me listed for one day

That other entry, I don't know about. Is 'Bryan Turner' your butt-buddy and you were a "co-sysop" (which means you're a nothing)? Did you live
in Garland TX? Doubt it. For some reason you got that dude to include your name on his nodelist entry?

Now come back and show me some other result from the node search. The above is all there is.

You're a poser, and a liar.

you're asking all these questions but you dont really care.

you're trying to prove something but i dont know what.
you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

now either stop your bullshit or i'm going back to ignoring you like i've done all these years.

damn you take the cake on stupid people.

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|03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 May 22 15:07:00|03.

Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Same old story with you. Why can't you list these 4 BBSes that are u and running and have been for a long time?

it's very strange that you are asking questions about something
you already know about.

Nope, not strange. Simply asking you to list the "4 BBSes" that you
run. Why wouldn't you do that, just to prove me wrong?

The answer is that you do not run any BBSes, and are lying.

you have been a user on like 2-3 of my bbses.
the level of stupidity here is astounding.

i just think you like the attention because you are talking to a bbs legend
and you're a nobody. that explains why you've been trying to bait me into a flamewar for so many years.

are you happy now? did you beat your little noodle enough, gamgee?

... I need someone really bad. Are you really bad?

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|03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 May 22 15:10:00|03.

Jas Hud wrote to Gamgee <=-

here's an old backup of my user file.
it's raw output but easy to read.
who's this?

told you guys he's a liar about not knowing shit about me or my
bbses.

I have called a lot of random (and now forgotten) BBSes, like most
anyone has. Possibly I did call yours and have no idea what it was called.

no. lamers. allowed.

... Zen Crafters - enlightenment in about an hour.

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|03Quoting message from |11Dumas Walker |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 May 22 16:02:00|03.

I once had to change the javascript source to get the news program to do something that IREX did. I did not submit it upstream because I did not

kn

how at the time. I also didn't now how to code javascript but was able

to

figure it out.

well i dont know if you can count changing the javascript as modifying

source.

is it? i'm sure nick will say the opposite of whatever my opinion is.

I would look at it this way... it was javascript that controlled one of th features of the system (the newserver) that likely would not have been there to change if the project was closed source. If it had turned out to be part of the C source, I could have tried to modify it there also.

yeah i edited that one to just filter out certain usenet spammers.

but now there's filters that work so well in a way i didn't even realize.
i probably didn't even need to do that and could have blocked the ip and it would have looked for the ip when importing. i had no idea it worked that way. i thought the ip blocking was for when people connected to your servers. it extends to ips listed in newsgroups and emails.

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|03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 May 22 17:36|03.

if you want to talk about the original conversation, whats wrong with payi for something and having the author drop it. did you buy a subscription? you expect someone to kiss your ass because you paid a few bucks?

Nick did buy it ... then he donated it to me after he wasn't using it. I lucky enough to get ahold of the author and gave him Nick's key and he sen one in my name.

are you sure that was the author and just not a dude handling registrations?
i think that's what was happening with that.
it's been so long so can't remember.

i dont want to untar my webs and look.

... And then you typed 'G=C800:5', right?

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Dan Clough
|03on |1110 May 22 17:32:17|03.

On 10 May 22 15:04:00, Dan Clough said the following to Jas Hud:

Here is the result of searching Jason Hud on the nodelist search:

Search by sysop name
Enter sysop name:
1:11/228 Jason Hud from Racine WI 2007.01.12 - 2007.02.23

I'm curious how he managed to get an RIN listing...

that one shouldnt even be there.
then the earlier one isnt even there. maybe there are some lost nodelists.

i never liked fidonet or the people on fidonet.
they seem even more pathetic than bbs people.

in tony's bbses case i just put fidonet on there because he died and i wanted to get it back to how it was. he died of MD and a lot of stuff was falling apart.

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|03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Dan Clough
|03on |1110 May 22 17:34:08|03.

On 10 May 22 15:10:00, Dan Clough said the following to Jas Hud:

I have called a lot of random (and now forgotten) BBSes, like most
anyone has. Possibly I did call yours and have no idea what it was called.

Never admit you did, because the screenshot-game and logfile-game has been trotted out in Fido so many times over the years in some desperate attempt win whatever stupid arguments. Both these things can be faked.

that just shows how pathetic you are and your moral compass.

i'd never fake something so stupid as that.

The fact that he took the trouble to do a screenshot, blur it out, upload sharing site means "the end" has been reached for any rational discussion.

It might not even be his user-file...

i blurred it out because other users are in that datafile.

it's a backup of a user file.

it's funny that you dont believe it. it's sad and pathetic, but i'm not surprised.

... Cease & Desist citizen, or I'll reduce your head to a fine mist.

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|03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Nick Andre
|03on |1110 May 22 18:30|03.

Yup. Porting all my code to Linux / 64-bit Windows is the current challeng

^^^^^^^^^

Don't you DARE say those swear words outloud again!!

... It's great to do nothing and rest afterwards.

i dont know why you 2 hate linux so much. it's good stuff.
i dont like the gui but that's just me. i've been running linux since 96

... Windows NT: An imaginary OS for your imaginary 686 PC.

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On 10 May 22 18:24:17, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

But you flake out when asked for addresses. Why can't we call your board?

no lamers allowed. gamgee calls my bbses all the time. someday i will put h ip in ip.can

Lol, IP banning... he can use my VPN or any number of others out there.

Its pretty hard to get flamed on Dovenet unless you *want* to be flamed...

dont know what you mean about that.

Dovenet is actually not that bad in that one has to purposely go out of their way to look for flamage. The common theme is you are disliked wherever you go.

Nick

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On 10 May 22 18:33:20, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

For instance you are using the version of renegade i
convinced hex luthor to release. patrick trans did screw him over about so hardware so it wasnt that hard.

And I should care about this why....?

my reg on my main bbs says
martin nickell
starfleet command bbs

no idea where i picked that up

Thats a common pirated key. I've seen it many times over the years.

Nick

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On 10 May 22 18:49:20, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

I'm curious how he managed to get an RIN listing...

that one shouldnt even be there.
then the earlier one isnt even there. maybe there are some lost nodelists.

Lost/bad/weird nodelists happened with my predecessor but not on my watch.

I politely challenge you to post this in FN-Sysop where there is more of an international audience comprising many fanatical nodelist-police types that study everything. I can fart and Wilfred van Velzen will guess what I ate.

i never liked fidonet or the people on fidonet.
they seem even more pathetic than bbs people.

And yet you did have a node number and...................... you're here.

Nick

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On 10 May 22 18:50:55, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

Never admit you did, because the screenshot-game and logfile-game has been trotted out in Fido so many times over the years in some desperate attempt win whatever stupid arguments. Both these things can be faked.

that just shows how pathetic you are and your moral compass.

When one goes out of their way to do screenshots and editing and whatever to prove a point, one has lost the argument.

Nick

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are you sure that was the author and just not a dude handling registration i think that's what was happening with that.
it's been so long so can't remember.

No, it was Charles Cruden ... I had a hell of time tracking him down too ...

... Divorce is not an effective deterrent to marriage.

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i dont know why you 2 hate linux so much. it's good stuff.

Hated it in 1995, hate it now.

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study everything. I can fart and Wilfred van Velzen will guess what I ate.

HAHAHAH .. How true.

... Damn it Jim, I'm an Alzheimer's patient, not a...uh...uh.

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Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Here is the result of searching Jason Hud on the nodelist search:

Search by sysop name
Enter sysop name:
1:11/228 Jason Hud from Racine WI 2007.01.12 - 2007.02.23

I'm curious how he managed to get an RIN listing...

Yeah, for sure. We could ask him..... OH, wait. He doesn't answer
questions like that. Yeah.


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Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

On 10 May 22 15:10:00, Dan Clough said the following to Jas Hud:

I have called a lot of random (and now forgotten) BBSes, like most
anyone has. Possibly I did call yours and have no idea what it was called.

Never admit you did, because the screenshot-game and logfile-game
has been trotted out in Fido so many times over the years in some desperate attempt to win whatever stupid arguments. Both these
things can be faked.

Yep, and knowing this doofus's history, it wouldn't surprise me.

The fact that he took the trouble to do a screenshot, blur it
out, upload to a sharing site means "the end" has been reached
for any rational discussion.

Indeed. I'm done with it. It's funny that he claims he "lives
rent-free in my head", and yet.... he does stuff like that. LOL

It might not even be his user-file...

Sure, might have come from one of his "many" contacts in "the scene",
since he's an important guy, ya know.


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Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Now come back and show me some other result from the node search. The above is all there is.

You're a poser, and a liar.

you're asking all these questions but you dont really care.

you're trying to prove something but i dont know what.

I *AM* proving that you're a liar and can't back up the stupid claims
you make. You could EASILY prove me wrong by answering simple questions
and providing simple information. But, you don't. You can't. You're
full of shit. You're a nobody.

damn you take the cake on stupid people.

Well, since you're stupid, I've certainly taken your cake.



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Nick Andre wrote to Jas Hud <=-

On 10 May 22 18:33:20, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

my reg on my main bbs says
martin nickell
starfleet command bbs

no idea where i picked that up

Thats a common pirated key. I've seen it many times over the
years.

Figures he'd be using a pirated copy. What a lamer.



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Nick Andre wrote to Jas Hud <=-

I can fart and Wilfred van Velzen will guess what I ate.

He'd eat it out of your ass if he got a chance,

-- Sean

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T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Jas Hud <=-

No, it was Charles Cruden ... I had a hell of time tracking him down
too ...

Charles and I got into it in IREX years ago when he started regurgitating excuses for not fixing long-known bugs in his software. He simply didn't
want to deal with his software after he got a job in college but didn't want
to admit that publicly.

-- Sean

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