• Oregon

    From Nightfox@1:105/7 to Nitro on Wednesday, March 15, 2023 13:03:33
    Re: Oregon
    By: Nitro to All on Sun Jan 15 2023 01:41 pm

    Anyone watching what happened in Oregon and their new gun laws?

    Curious what you think?

    I live in Oregon. I heard the bill had stalled for a bit, and that's the last I've heard so far.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Nightfox on Thursday, March 16, 2023 08:03:29
    On 15 Mar 2023, Nightfox said the following...
    Anyone watching what happened in Oregon and their new gun laws?

    Curious what you think?

    I live in Oregon. I heard the bill had stalled for a bit, and that's
    the last I've heard so far.


    What were they trying to do??

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  • From Nightfox@1:105/7 to IB Joe on Thursday, March 16, 2023 09:43:45
    Re: Re: Oregon
    By: IB Joe to Nightfox on Thu Mar 16 2023 08:03 am

    Anyone watching what happened in Oregon and their new gun laws?

    Curious what you think?

    I live in Oregon. I heard the bill had stalled for a bit, and
    that's the last I've heard so far.

    What were they trying to do??

    Do you mean as far as stalling? Or with the gun bill itself?
    The new law was supposed to require anyone purchasing a gun to take a gun safety course and get a permit. I'm not sure why it was stalling.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Nightfox on Friday, March 17, 2023 08:11:49
    On 16 Mar 2023, Nightfox said the following...

    What were they trying to do??

    Do you mean as far as stalling? Or with the gun bill itself?
    The new law was supposed to require anyone purchasing a gun to take a gun safety course and get a permit. I'm not sure why it was stalling.


    The Canadian side of me says take the course... I can own handguns in Canada and the course I took taught me a lot. I also have a carry permit in Florida ... the course I took was nothing like the one I took in Canada. Now I could always buy a gun in Florida I just couldn't carry.

    BTW, I think Florida is a constitutional carry state now and don't need a permit to carry.

    On why the bill is stalling... it might be unconstitutional to make someone take a course before buying a gun. Recent decisions by the Supreme, as recent as the sumer of 2022 made it hard for states to make it sooo restrictive to get a gun or carry a gun... New York has to change their laws from May give a permit TO Shall give a permit.

    I love the constitution...

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  • From Nightfox@1:105/7 to IB Joe on Friday, March 17, 2023 10:12:18
    Re: Re: Oregon
    By: IB Joe to Nightfox on Fri Mar 17 2023 08:11 am

    The new law was supposed to require anyone purchasing a gun to take
    a gun safety course and get a permit. I'm not sure why it was
    stalling.

    The Canadian side of me says take the course... I can own handguns in Canada and the course I took taught me a lot. I also have a carry permit in Florida ... the course I took was nothing like the one I took in Canada. Now I could always buy a gun in Florida I just couldn't carry.

    Taking a course definitely wouldn't hurt. A lot of times lately, though, I hear people talk about the fact that gun laws are intended to prevent criminals from getting guns, but they'll probably find a way to acquire guns illegally anyway, so people worry about these laws actually just making it harder for law-abiding citizens to get guns to defend themselves.

    On why the bill is stalling... it might be unconstitutional to make someone take a course before buying a gun. Recent decisions by the Supreme, as recent as the sumer of 2022 made it hard for states to make it sooo restrictive to get a gun or carry a gun... New York has to change their laws from May give a permit TO Shall give a permit.

    That might be a big part of it.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Friday, March 17, 2023 15:01:00
    I love the constitution...

    As do I. I am amazed at the number of people who apparently do not.

    Mike


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Nightfox on Monday, March 20, 2023 09:23:12
    On 17 Mar 2023, Nightfox said the following...

    Re: Re: Oregon
    By: IB Joe to Nightfox on Fri Mar 17 2023 08:11 am

    The new law was supposed to require anyone purchasing a gun to take
    a gun safety course and get a permit. I'm not sure why it was
    stalling.

    The Canadian side of me says take the course... I can own handguns in Canada and the course I took taught me a lot. I also have a carry per in Florida ... the course I took was nothing like the one I took in Canada. Now I could always buy a gun in Florida I just couldn't carry

    Taking a course definitely wouldn't hurt. A lot of times lately,
    though, I hear people talk about the fact that gun laws are intended to prevent criminals from getting guns, but they'll probably find a way to acquire guns illegally anyway, so people worry about these laws actually just making it harder for law-abiding citizens to get guns to defend themselves.

    On why the bill is stalling... it might be unconstitutional to make someone take a course before buying a gun. Recent decisions by the Supreme, as recent as the sumer of 2022 made it hard for states to ma sooo restrictive to get a gun or carry a gun... New York has to chang their laws from May give a permit TO Shall give a permit.

    That might be a big part of it.


    Mandatory minimums is all you need... not all but close... X amount of years if you are caught with an illegal gun.... XX amount of years if you use a gun during a crime...XXX amount of years if someone is hurt while committing a crime while XXXX or death if you use an illegal gun during a crime and someone dies.... That'll fix a lot... Keeping up with the times, 2023, all of this is moot if you're trans-gender stripping at an elementary school...

    :)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Monday, March 20, 2023 17:34:00
    Mandatory minimums is all you need... not all but close... X amount of years

    you are caught with an illegal gun.... XX amount of years if you use a gun
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    g a crime...XXX amount of years if someone is hurt while committing a crime
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    e XXXX or death if you use an illegal gun during a crime and someone dies.... hat'll fix a lot... Keeping up with the times, 2023, all of this is moot if
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    re trans-gender stripping at an elementary school...

    I agree, but the problem is that the same people who think the problem is
    the gun, and not the person pulling the trigger, are also the same people
    who do NOT want to enforce these laws or, if they do, they don't want them applied uniformly. They would not want to make an example of your trans-gendered stripper, for example.

    Mike


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