Hi All!

No, I don't have a problem with an overheating processor, just couldn't
think of a better title that fit. :)

Saw this in the MythTV Users Forum this morning:

When Intel chips overheat, the ramp down on CPU speeds, when AMD
overheats, they cut power.

Figured I'd post in case that bit of trivia helps someone. ...The AMD
CPU I have here overheated to the point it shut itself off even with the
"AMD approved heatsink and fan" sitting on it. Solved by installing a CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO. Found out after the Cryorig CR-H7A is rated
better and about a $5 difference in price.


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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi All!

No, I don't have a problem with an overheating processor, just couldn't
think of a better title that fit. :)

Sufficiently generic to the topic. :)

Saw this in the MythTV Users Forum this morning:

When Intel chips overheat, the ramp down on CPU speeds, when AMD
overheats, they cut power.

In my experience it's "When Intel CPUs overheat, they throttle down (and
will recover even if overheated to the point of seizing up); when AMD
CPUs overheat, they fry and die." Cutting power is a definite
improvement over croaking outright...

Figured I'd post in case that bit of trivia helps someone. ...The AMD
CPU I have here overheated to the point it shut itself off even with the
"AMD approved heatsink and fan" sitting on it. Solved by installing a CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO. Found out after the Cryorig CR-H7A is rated better and about a $5 difference in price.

The stock AMD heatsinks are crap. Every damn one I've ever seen is junk,
and at best barely does the job. When I replaced Westworld's crappy
stock heatsink with a solid copper heatsink with more fins and a bigger
fan, its operating temperature went down about 20 degrees. (And the fan
is much quieter.)

This'un, tho I only paid about $12 for it.

https://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-Socket-Heat-Sink-ACC-9520/dp/B000HRPHKE

Was so impressed I promptly bought another for the other AMD, tho the socket939 that it's supposed to also fit was just a little goofy and
wouldn't seat right (and that board has since died, tho I have another
that may eventually get it as an upgrade).

In fact, when I temporarily used a loose chunk of finned copper with NO
fan (probably started life as a server heatsink), even that worked
better than the stock aluminum AMD heatsink.

I've found AMDs have a more irregular surface than Intels, and
absolutely require thermal grease (or a crush pad) to make good contact (conversely, Intels often don't need it). The cheap copper-based grease
is the best I've found; with Intels you don't notice the difference so
much, but with AMDs you can tell it's much better than the silver stuff.
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Hi Ky!

No, I don't have a problem with an overheating processor, just couldn't think of a better title that fit. :)

Sufficiently generic to the topic. :)

Better than some TV shows with episode titles like "203"! (Which was
shown after '207'.)

When Intel chips overheat, the ramp down on CPU speeds, when AMD
overheats, they cut power.

In my experience it's "When Intel CPUs overheat, they throttle
down (and will recover even if overheated to the point of seizing
up); when AMD CPUs overheat, they fry and die." Cutting power is
a definite improvement over croaking outright...

Yes! LIS some time back, did have the problem of the AMD processor
overheating even though used an official AMD-approved heat sink and fan
combo, Found out later in my 'research' AMD expects their gamer clients
to swap out the cooling unit with a heavy-duty one; so what about us non-gamers?? Heck mine was overheating to the point of shutting down
just with regular stuff like LibreOffice!

Figured I'd post in case that bit of trivia helps someone. ...The AMD
CPU I have here overheated to the point it shut itself off even with the "AMD approved heatsink and fan" sitting on it. Solved by installing a CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO. Found out after the Cryorig CR-H7A is rated better and about a $5 difference in price.

The stock AMD heatsinks are crap. Every damn one I've ever seen
is junk, and at best barely does the job. When I replaced
Westworld's crappy stock heatsink with a solid copper heatsink
with more fins and a bigger fan, its operating temperature went
down about 20 degrees. (And the fan is much quieter.)

Similar results here: think the critical point is 65øC/150øF. Was
getting close to and exceeeding which caused the immediate shot off.
Once I found out what was wrong (same computer has the random USB lock
up) and swapping the well-it-should-be-good AMD-approved cooling for teh CoolerMaster one the overheating problem was gone: have seen as low as
88øF; currently psensor indicating 118øF. (I use Imperial Units as
Metric don't click immediately.)

This'un, tho I only paid about $12 for it. https://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-Socket-Heat-Sink-ACC-9520/dp/B000HR
PHKE

Price when I checked was $33 + $8.49 shipping; CoolerMaster is $39.99
and free shipping: I like your $12 deal better, though mine was
essentially free from a friend in Michigan who for some reason thought
the fan was supposed to be attached to the case and couldn't figure out
how to extend the water pipes. (He has to be given some leeway as he is extremely near-sighted.)

Was so impressed I promptly bought another for the other AMD, tho
the socket939 that it's supposed to also fit was just a little
goofy and wouldn't seat right (and that board has since died, tho
I have another that may eventually get it as an upgrade).

Pretty much the same here: I bought a second CoolerMaster though like
you so far no one showing signs of overheating. A little surprising as
the computer I built using the 'old' CPU from this computer (allegedly
the CPU ran too hot for the motherboard, so got a cooler CPU for this motherboard and a more compatible motherboard for the old CPU --
confused yet?!) has shown no problems with overheating. -- Knock on
wood!!

In fact, when I temporarily used a loose chunk of finned copper
with NO fan (probably started life as a server heatsink), even
that worked better than the stock aluminum AMD heatsink.

<chuckle> So aluminum seems not to be all that good for conducting heat.
I haven't done that but have twist-tied, etc., spare fans to temporarily
take the place of fans which have frozen.

I've found AMDs have a more irregular surface than Intels, and
absolutely require thermal grease (or a crush pad) to make good
contact (conversely, Intels often don't need it). The cheap
copper-based grease is the best I've found; with Intels you don't
notice the difference so much, but with AMDs you can tell it's
much better than the silver stuff.

Huh. I know some older processors had some sort of elevated portion so
the heat sink would only properly fit one way. Here haven't played with various heat sink compounds like you have. For years used a dab from a
small jar of 'electronics' compound -- marketed for use between a triac
or voltage regular or power diode, etc., and its heat sink. Lately
using a silver (?) compound that came with a Raspberry Pi kit -- keep
the small jar at the electronics workbench in the basement and the tiny syringes of heat sink compound that come with the RPi kits up here.



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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!

> No, I don't have a problem with an overheating processor, just couldn't
> think of a better title that fit. :)
KM> Sufficiently generic to the topic. :)

Better than some TV shows with episode titles like "203"! (Which was
shown after '207'.)

"Some can tell 'em, some can't!"

Yes! LIS some time back, did have the problem of the AMD processor overheating even though used an official AMD-approved heat sink and fan combo, Found out later in my 'research' AMD expects their gamer clients
to swap out the cooling unit with a heavy-duty one; so what about us

I think you got that from me :)

non-gamers?? Heck mine was overheating to the point of shutting down
just with regular stuff like LibreOffice!

Egads...

Similar results here: think the critical point is 65øC/150øF. Was
getting close to and exceeeding which caused the immediate shot off.
Once I found out what was wrong (same computer has the random USB lock
up) and swapping the well-it-should-be-good AMD-approved cooling for teh CoolerMaster one the overheating problem was gone: have seen as low as
88øF; currently psensor indicating 118øF. (I use Imperial Units as
Metric don't click immediately.)

I think this one's name should be "Nothin' but Trouble" !!!

KM> This'un, tho I only paid about $12 for it.
KM> https://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-Socket-Heat-Sink-ACC-9520/dp/B000HR
KM> PHKE

Price when I checked was $33 + $8.49 shipping; CoolerMaster is $39.99
and free shipping: I like your $12 deal better, though mine was

So did I. Was right astonished to see 'em at that price new-in-box, but
was from some server recycler outfit and probably nothing their regular customers could use.

essentially free from a friend in Michigan who for some reason thought
the fan was supposed to be attached to the case and couldn't figure out
how to extend the water pipes. (He has to be given some leeway as he is extremely near-sighted.)

And apparently considers electronics to be a form of plumbing!

Pretty much the same here: I bought a second CoolerMaster though like
you so far no one showing signs of overheating. A little surprising as
the computer I built using the 'old' CPU from this computer (allegedly
the CPU ran too hot for the motherboard, so got a cooler CPU for this motherboard and a more compatible motherboard for the old CPU --
confused yet?!) has shown no problems with overheating. -- Knock on
wood!!

Sometimes older CPUs in the same class do run hotter. But that's kinda strange. I wonder if the board the old CPU is on is underclocking it.
Which is usually an option if temperature can't be otherwise controlled.

<chuckle> So aluminum seems not to be all that good for conducting heat.

Not very good at all, in my view.

I haven't done that but have twist-tied, etc., spare fans to temporarily
take the place of fans which have frozen.

I've had some stuck on by twisty tie or external screw myself. These
tend to become permanent. <g>

Huh. I know some older processors had some sort of elevated portion so
the heat sink would only properly fit one way. Here haven't played with

Heatsink fit depends on the mount, not the CPU. Some are directional,
others don't care.
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Hi Ky!

> No, I don't have a problem with an overheating processor, just couldn't
> think of a better title that fit. :)
KM> Sufficiently generic to the topic. :)
Better than some TV shows with episode titles like "203"! (Which was
shown after '207'.)

"Some can tell 'em, some can't!"

"It was a dark and stormy night...."

Yes! LIS some time back, did have the problem of the AMD processor overheating even though used an official AMD-approved heat sink and fan combo, Found out later in my 'research' AMD expects their gamer clients
to swap out the cooling unit with a heavy-duty one; so what about us

I think you got that from me :)

Might be: I don't recall you saying. And I will admit to having a bit
of a mental block with the heat sink and fan assembly being labelled
"AMD approved". I interpreted it as being the proper device for cooling
under normal conditions; apparently should have been "it fits".

non-gamers?? Heck mine was overheating to the point of shutting down
just with regular stuff like LibreOffice!

Egads...

Probably should clarify that as add I just don't run one thing here at a
time. Virtual VP was running. May have had several LibreOffice
documents open because I frequently use for jotting down electronic
notes while working on projects, extracting notes from forums, etc. But
yes, sometimes a seemingly low key process would elevate the CPU
temperature. And sometimes not.

Similar results here: think the critical point is 65øC/150øF. Was
getting close to and exceeeding which caused the immediate shot off.
Once I found out what was wrong (same computer has the random USB lock
up) and swapping the well-it-should-be-good AMD-approved cooling for teh CoolerMaster one the overheating problem was gone: have seen as low as 88øF; currently psensor indicating 118øF. (I use Imperial Units as
Metric don't click immediately.)

I think this one's name should be "Nothin' but Trouble" !!!

Or maybe "Wild Kid": with the proper heatsink and fan no thermal issues.
Does rise at time, but no where near those dangerous levels as before.
So with that aspect seems to have outgrown its rebelliousness. Now of
the USB lock up issue -- that same kid now in the work world and n=knows
to behave during the week and party on the weekend?!

KM> This'un, tho I only paid about $12 for it.
KM> https://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-Socket-Heat-Sink-ACC-9520/dp/B000HR
KM> PHKE
Price when I checked was $33 + $8.49 shipping; CoolerMaster is $39.99
and free shipping: I like your $12 deal better, though mine was

So did I. Was right astonished to see 'em at that price
new-in-box, but was from some server recycler outfit and probably
nothing their regular customers could use.

Possible. Or a mis-shipment: carton/pallet dropped off at the wrong warehouse.

essentially free from a friend in Michigan who for some reason thought
the fan was supposed to be attached to the case and couldn't figure out
how to extend the water pipes. (He has to be given some leeway as he is extremely near-sighted.)

And apparently considers electronics to be a form of plumbing!

<chuckle> Not really: he has an older Ham license so AFAIK back then
they had to know some electronics theory. I do know there are some liquid-cooled units out there -- friend in Nevada had one leak.

Pretty much the same here: I bought a second CoolerMaster though like
you so far no one showing signs of overheating. A little surprising as
the computer I built using the 'old' CPU from this computer (allegedly
the CPU ran too hot for the motherboard, so got a cooler CPU for this motherboard and a more compatible motherboard for the old CPU --
confused yet?!) has shown no problems with overheating. -- Knock on
wood!!

Sometimes older CPUs in the same class do run hotter. But that's
kinda strange. I wonder if the board the old CPU is on is
underclocking it. Which is usually an option if temperature can't
be otherwise controlled.

Possible.

I haven't done that but have twist-tied, etc., spare fans to temporarily take the place of fans which have frozen.

I've had some stuck on by twisty tie or external screw myself.
These tend to become permanent. <g>

One here was the permanent replacement. 120mm fan in a PSU locked up. Removing the PSU to get inside was going to be a pain as one or more of
the motherboard connections were under the HDD rack. Plenty of room to
attach the replacement fan from the outside and connected the power
cable to one of the motherboard's fan outputs.

Huh. I know some older processors had some sort of elevated portion so
the heat sink would only properly fit one way. Here haven't played with

Heatsink fit depends on the mount, not the CPU. Some are
directional, others don't care.

Why am I thinking 'Karma Surta'?!!

OK, now that you've wiped the coffee spray off the monitor do seem to
recall all of the current (even old but still semi-current) CPUs are
flat and when I'm replacing the heat sink assembly I do double-check if
for the right socket: identification and picture. Only one clip on
either side? Check! Room for the unit? Check.



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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!
> Better than some TV shows with episode titles like "203"! (Which was
> shown after '207'.)
KM> "Some can tell 'em, some can't!"
"It was a dark and stormy night...."

Hey, the guy could write <g>

> Yes! LIS some time back, did have the problem of the AMD processor
> overheating even though used an official AMD-approved heat sink and fan
> combo, Found out later in my 'research' AMD expects their gamer clients
> to swap out the cooling unit with a heavy-duty one; so what about us
KM> I think you got that from me :)
Might be: I don't recall you saying. And I will admit to having a bit
of a mental block with the heat sink and fan assembly being labelled
"AMD approved". I interpreted it as being the proper device for cooling under normal conditions; apparently should have been "it fits".

That's about all it is, yeah.

> non-gamers?? Heck mine was overheating to the point of shutting down
> just with regular stuff like LibreOffice!
KM> Egads...

Probably should clarify that as add I just don't run one thing here at a time. Virtual VP was running. May have had several LibreOffice
documents open because I frequently use for jotting down electronic

Yeah, I usually have a variety of Stuff running ... my main editor and a couple browsers at the very least.

KM> I think this one's name should be "Nothin' but Trouble" !!!
Or maybe "Wild Kid": with the proper heatsink and fan no thermal issues.
Does rise at time, but no where near those dangerous levels as before.
So with that aspect seems to have outgrown its rebelliousness. Now of
the USB lock up issue -- that same kid now in the work world and n=knows
to behave during the week and party on the weekend?!

Wait, it IS the weekend... where's the party? DON'T TELL MY PCS!!!

> KM> This'un, tho I only paid about $12 for it.
> KM> https://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-Socket-Heat-Sink-ACC-9520/dp/B000HR
> KM> PHKE
> Price when I checked was $33 + $8.49 shipping; CoolerMaster is $39.99
> and free shipping: I like your $12 deal better, though mine was
KM> So did I. Was right astonished to see 'em at that price
KM> new-in-box, but was from some server recycler outfit and probably
KM> nothing their regular customers could use.

Possible. Or a mis-shipment: carton/pallet dropped off at the wrong warehouse.

Actually it's just overpurchases that never get used. Pretty common when
you buy PCs and parts by the pallet, as clone shops used to do. Next
time the business upcycles their hardware, the last hardware cycle's
surplus goes to the recycler right along with the actually-used stuff.
Any stuff that was in inventory when that generation of hardware went
out of fashion, and suddenly became unsalable and not worth the tax
liability to warehouse. So off to the recycler it goes, and eventually
filters out to dealers in used and surplus parts and a few bucks on eBay.

And sometimes become scarce and expensive, like LGA1366 heatsinks.

Mighta mentioned, someone lately gift me several nice 3rd gen. i5 and i7 laptops that were discarded by the school district... having been used
so little they're not even broke in. (Under 1000 hours on the HDs, and
one had like 400 hours.) Basically didn't get used enough to notice, so
we surely need to replace them with newer ones and toss these out!!

> essentially free from a friend in Michigan who for some reason thought
> the fan was supposed to be attached to the case and couldn't figure out
> how to extend the water pipes. (He has to be given some leeway as he is
> extremely near-sighted.)
KM> And apparently considers electronics to be a form of plumbing! <chuckle> Not really: he has an older Ham license so AFAIK back then
they had to know some electronics theory. I do know there are some liquid-cooled units out there -- friend in Nevada had one leak.

Oy. Well, Nevada. If it don't cook, it gets corroded...

KM> I've had some stuck on by twisty tie or external screw myself.
KM> These tend to become permanent. <g>
One here was the permanent replacement. 120mm fan in a PSU locked up. Removing the PSU to get inside was going to be a pain as one or more of
the motherboard connections were under the HDD rack. Plenty of room to attach the replacement fan from the outside and connected the power
cable to one of the motherboard's fan outputs.

Gremlin has a fan permanently attached like that... wasn't a good spot
inside the case, but convenient spot to hang it on the outside... had to
do surgery on that case anyway, very early ATX case that didn't quite
work with any known board, but needed it for one that swung both ways.

> Huh. I know some older processors had some sort of elevated portion so
> the heat sink would only properly fit one way. Here haven't played with
KM> Heatsink fit depends on the mount, not the CPU. Some are
KM> directional, others don't care.

Why am I thinking 'Karma Surta'?!!

Wait, WHAT ARE THOSE PCs UP TO???!!

OK, now that you've wiped the coffee spray off the monitor do seem to
recall all of the current (even old but still semi-current) CPUs are
flat and when I'm replacing the heat sink assembly I do double-check if
for the right socket: identification and picture. Only one clip on
either side? Check! Room for the unit? Check.

Square peg, square hole? Check!!
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Hi Ky!

> Better than some TV shows with episode titles like "203"! (Which was
> shown after '207'.)
KM> "Some can tell 'em, some can't!"
"It was a dark and stormy night...."

Hey, the guy could write <g>

Was rather prolific!

> Yes! LIS some time back, did have the problem of the AMD processor
> overheating even though used an official AMD-approved heat sink and fan
> combo, Found out later in my 'research' AMD expects their gamer clients
> to swap out the cooling unit with a heavy-duty one; so what about us
KM> I think you got that from me :)
Might be: I don't recall you saying. And I will admit to having a bit
of a mental block with the heat sink and fan assembly being labelled
"AMD approved". I interpreted it as being the proper device for cooling under normal conditions; apparently should have been "it fits".

That's about all it is, yeah.

Have to admit some pretty good marketing: "if the manufacturer approves
it must be good!".

> non-gamers?? Heck mine was overheating to the point of shutting down
> just with regular stuff like LibreOffice!
KM> Egads...
Probably should clarify that as add I just don't run one thing here at a time. Virtual VP was running. May have had several LibreOffice
documents open because I frequently use for jotting down electronic

Yeah, I usually have a variety of Stuff running ... my main
editor and a couple browsers at the very least.

Right; make things convenient (or more so).

KM> I think this one's name should be "Nothin' but Trouble" !!!
Or maybe "Wild Kid": with the proper heatsink and fan no thermal issues. Does rise at time, but no where near those dangerous levels as before.
So with that aspect seems to have outgrown its rebelliousness. Now of
the USB lock up issue -- that same kid now in the work world and knows
to behave during the week and party on the weekend?!

Wait, it IS the weekend... where's the party? DON'T TELL MY
PCS!!!

Even they are doing it virtually! That's the real reason your Internet connection is so slow: all the computers' Zoom, Skype, etc.

> KM> This'un, tho I only paid about $12 for it.
> KM> https://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-Socket-Heat-Sink-ACC-9520/dp/B000HR
> KM> PHKE
> Price when I checked was $33 + $8.49 shipping; CoolerMaster is $39.99
> and free shipping: I like your $12 deal better, though mine was
KM> So did I. Was right astonished to see 'em at that price
KM> new-in-box, but was from some server recycler outfit and probably
KM> nothing their regular customers could use.
Possible. Or a mis-shipment: carton/pallet dropped off at the wrong warehouse.

Actually it's just overpurchases that never get used. Pretty
common when you buy PCs and parts by the pallet, as clone shops
used to do. Next time the business upcycles their hardware, the
last hardware cycle's surplus goes to the recycler right along
with the actually-used stuff. Any stuff that was in inventory
when that generation of hardware went out of fashion, and
suddenly became unsalable and not worth the tax liability to
warehouse. So off to the recycler it goes, and eventually filters
out to dealers in used and surplus parts and a few bucks on eBay.

Sounds about right. Sometimes cheaper to overbuy the quantity to get to
the next discount amount. 9,000 fan assemblies at $5 each is $45,000
but 10,000 at $4.25 is $42,500.

And sometimes become scarce and expensive, like LGA1366
heatsinks.

Some people sink their money into gold, others heatsinks!

Mighta mentioned, someone lately gift me several nice 3rd gen. i5
and i7 laptops that were discarded by the school district...
having been used so little they're not even broke in. (Under 1000
hours on the HDs, and one had like 400 hours.) Basically didn't
get used enough to notice, so we surely need to replace them with
newer ones and toss these out!!

I'd half-bet if they put the school logo sticker over the manufacturer's processor one three-quarters of the students wouldn't have known they
were the older generation! ...'Course then there's the kids who know
how to get into the specifications.

> essentially free from a friend in Michigan who for some reason thought
> the fan was supposed to be attached to the case and couldn't figure out
> how to extend the water pipes. (He has to be given some leeway as he is
> extremely near-sighted.)
KM> And apparently considers electronics to be a form of plumbing! <chuckle> Not really: he has an older Ham license so AFAIK back then
they had to know some electronics theory. I do know there are some liquid-cooled units out there -- friend in Nevada had one leak.

Oy. Well, Nevada. If it don't cook, it gets corroded...

Nah: that's Utah and the Great Salt Lake! <g>

KM> I've had some stuck on by twisty tie or external screw myself.
KM> These tend to become permanent. <g>
One here was the permanent replacement. 120mm fan in a PSU locked up. Removing the PSU to get inside was going to be a pain as one or more of
the motherboard connections were under the HDD rack. Plenty of room to attach the replacement fan from the outside and connected the power
cable to one of the motherboard's fan outputs.

Gremlin has a fan permanently attached like that... wasn't a good
spot inside the case, but convenient spot to hang it on the
outside... had to do surgery on that case anyway, very early ATX
case that didn't quite work with any known board, but needed it
for one that swung both ways.

Yup: if can't cool one way cool it another. I'm thinking a big fan
could rotate slower and push the same amount of air as a small fan
rtating faster but with less air flow noise. Another factor might be
heat: pushing cool air into the PSU vs pulling hot air out of the PSU
might be better or the life of the fan. Sometimes when replacing neither makes too much difference as long as the rest of the computer is now
running.

> Huh. I know some older processors had some sort of elevated portion so
> the heat sink would only properly fit one way. Here haven't played with
KM> Heatsink fit depends on the mount, not the CPU. Some are
KM> directional, others don't care.
Why am I thinking 'Karma Surta'?!!

Wait, WHAT ARE THOSE PCs UP TO???!!

Now where do you think those little 'portable' computers came from?!

OK, now that you've wiped the coffee spray off the monitor do seem to
recall all of the current (even old but still semi-current) CPUs are
flat and when I'm replacing the heat sink assembly I do double-check if
for the right socket: identification and picture. Only one clip on
either side? Check! Room for the unit? Check.

Square peg, square hole? Check!!

As long as it's approved by the manufacturer!



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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!
KM> Wait, it IS the weekend... where's the party? DON'T TELL MY
KM> PCS!!!

Even they are doing it virtually! That's the real reason your Internet connection is so slow: all the computers' Zoom, Skype, etc.

Ha... first attempt at Zoom for the family Xmas (being a bit scattered around). My upstream is not up to it! And then a cousin called my mom so
we had her "Facetime" secondhand by way of my mom's Zoom. One step up
from tin cans and string. <g>

KM> And sometimes become scarce and expensive, like LGA1366
KM> heatsinks.

Some people sink their money into gold, others heatsinks!

Is THAT my problem....

KM> Mighta mentioned, someone lately gift me several nice 3rd gen. i5
KM> and i7 laptops that were discarded by the school district...
I'd half-bet if they put the school logo sticker over the manufacturer's processor one three-quarters of the students wouldn't have known they
were the older generation! ...'Course then there's the kids who know
how to get into the specifications.

Oh, no, these were from admin and IT!! ....where sadly, I have reliable reports indicating they know even less.

> <chuckle> Not really: he has an older Ham license so AFAIK back then
> they had to know some electronics theory. I do know there are some
> liquid-cooled units out there -- friend in Nevada had one leak.
KM> Oy. Well, Nevada. If it don't cook, it gets corroded...

Nah: that's Utah and the Great Salt Lake! <g>

Ha, no, the southwestern deserts are all extremely alkali, and the very
dirt is corrosive. My yard down in the SoCal desert actually tested off
the scale... person doing it thought the test unit was broken, but nope,
it's actually that alkali. Dissolve dirt in morning dew and it eats
everything it touches.

Yup: if can't cool one way cool it another. I'm thinking a big fan
could rotate slower and push the same amount of air as a small fan
rtating faster but with less air flow noise. Another factor might be

Probably so, but first one must have the big fan, and a place to put it!

heat: pushing cool air into the PSU vs pulling hot air out of the PSU
might be better or the life of the fan. Sometimes when replacing neither makes too much difference as long as the rest of the computer is now
running.

Enermax PSUs for many years had both an intake and exhaust fan, which no
doubt helps explain their longevity. I've only had one die, and it did
17 years service at my house and who knows how long before that (dated
1998, IIRC).

> Why am I thinking 'Karma Surta'?!!
KM> Wait, WHAT ARE THOSE PCs UP TO???!!

Now where do you think those little 'portable' computers came from?!

Ah. My basement is explained.

KM> Square peg, square hole? Check!!

As long as it's approved by the manufacturer!

Went out of business!!
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Hi Ky!

KM> Wait, it IS the weekend... where's the party? DON'T TELL MY
KM> PCS!!!
Even they are doing it virtually! That's the real reason your Internet connection is so slow: all the computers' Zoom, Skype, etc.

Ha... first attempt at Zoom for the family Xmas (being a bit
scattered around). My upstream is not up to it! And then a cousin
called my mom so we had her "Facetime" secondhand by way of my
mom's Zoom. One step up from tin cans and string. <g>

I haven't even attempted to Zoom, Skype, etc., as no one to video chat
with. Probbaly just as well.

KM> And sometimes become scarce and expensive, like LGA1366
KM> heatsinks.
Some people sink their money into gold, others heatsinks!

Is THAT my problem....

Well, one of 'em! <bseg>

KM> Mighta mentioned, someone lately gift me several nice 3rd gen. i5
KM> and i7 laptops that were discarded by the school district...
I'd half-bet if they put the school logo sticker over the manufacturer's processor one three-quarters of the students wouldn't have known they
were the older generation! ...'Course then there's the kids who know
how to get into the specifications.

Oh, no, these were from admin and IT!! ....where sadly, I have
reliable reports indicating they know even less.

I could see the admin people but the IT people are supposed to have been trained in more than just the basic stuff. "How to turn on a computer" doesn't mean sending it flowers and candy!

> <chuckle> Not really: he has an older Ham license so AFAIK back then
> they had to know some electronics theory. I do know there are some
> liquid-cooled units out there -- friend in Nevada had one leak.
KM> Oy. Well, Nevada. If it don't cook, it gets corroded...
Nah: that's Utah and the Great Salt Lake! <g>

Ha, no, the southwestern deserts are all extremely alkali, and
the very dirt is corrosive. My yard down in the SoCal desert
actually tested off the scale... person doing it thought the test
unit was broken, but nope, it's actually that alkali. Dissolve
dirt in morning dew and it eats everything it touches.

Hadn't heard of that but makes sense. ...So there you had to worry
about acid rain and alkaline yard!

Yup: if can't cool one way cool it another. I'm thinking a big fan
could rotate slower and push the same amount of air as a small fan
rtating faster but with less air flow noise. Another factor might be

Probably so, but first one must have the big fan, and a place to
put it!

True. Stuff doesn't work if doesn't have a place to be.

Enermax PSUs for many years had both an intake and exhaust fan,
which no doubt helps explain their longevity. I've only had one
die, and it did 17 years service at my house and who knows how
long before that (dated 1998, IIRC).

Thinking in general it's too bad there isn't some sort of data
communication between the PSU and the motherboard to send fan rotational
speed and internal temperature so could be monitored. Probably just temperature would be sufficient: getting hot probably means the fan is
having problems.

> Why am I thinking 'Karma Surta'?!!
KM> Wait, WHAT ARE THOSE PCs UP TO???!!
Now where do you think those little 'portable' computers came from?!

Ah. My basement is explained.

Now you can call it "The Nursery".

KM> Square peg, square hole? Check!!
As long as it's approved by the manufacturer!

Went out of business!!

Naa: just taken over by another who figured out to use circular holes
and pegs to cut assembly time because no longer had to line up the
squares!


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