https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIYZwsc19CU

Was a little cranky getting there, but the end result is cool!
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Hi Ky!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIYZwsc19CU
Was a little cranky getting there, but the end result is cool!

At least he sped up the video when unscrewing and screwing in the case
cover! ...Otherwise interesting video: booting from the SSD card really
made a huge difference!

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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!

KM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIYZwsc19CU
KM> Was a little cranky getting there, but the end result is cool!

At least he sped up the video when unscrewing and screwing in the case
cover! ...Otherwise interesting video: booting from the SSD card really
made a huge difference!

He's a former professor of computer science (or something like, at
Nottingham no less -- used to ride the same public transit as the
Periodic Videos guy!) and is now a professional presenter. So he has a
full set of clues on how not to dwell on the boring parts. :)

Unlike a few I could name, who spend WAY too much time filming the
mundane and repetitive, and not nearly enough on the useful bits.

While back Chris had one comparing various SD card options that was so
useful, I printed out the results chart to carry with me for when I next
buy SD cards.
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Hi Ky!

KM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIYZwsc19CU
KM> Was a little cranky getting there, but the end result is cool!
At least he sped up the video when unscrewing and screwing in the case cover! ...Otherwise interesting video: booting from the SSD card really made a huge difference!

He's a former professor of computer science (or something like,
at Nottingham no less -- used to ride the same public transit as
the Periodic Videos guy!) and is now a professional presenter. So
he has a full set of clues on how not to dwell on the boring
parts. :)

He did learn something from the snoozing students in the lecture hall!
...Was sort of nice to see he as a professional and knowledgeable person
also had those change of plans as the project progressed: what works on
paper doesn't necessarily work in real life. And the plan to send the
copper boards off to be laser cut - don't recall the reason he didn't
but most of us would probably save the money (and processing time) by
doing at home, even though the results might not look totally
professional.

Unlike a few I could name, who spend WAY too much time filming
the mundane and repetitive, and not nearly enough on the useful
bits.

Yup. And some cut too much: how did you get from this point to that
one? And thinking of some of the Raspberry Pi cases: if insert the
board this way won't fit easily but this other way it falls right into position. Tell us that!! Or at least show.

While back Chris had one comparing various SD card options that
was so useful, I printed out the results chart to carry with me
for when I next buy SD cards.

Oo! Have the link? I've see where a brand looks to be the same except
the colour is different. Obviously a reason, but what?


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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!

> KM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIYZwsc19CU
> KM> Was a little cranky getting there, but the end result is cool!
> At least he sped up the video when unscrewing and screwing in the case
> cover! ...Otherwise interesting video: booting from the SSD card really
> made a huge difference!
KM> He's a former professor of computer science (or something like,
KM> at Nottingham no less -- used to ride the same public transit as
KM> the Periodic Videos guy!) and is now a professional presenter. So
KM> he has a full set of clues on how not to dwell on the boring
KM> parts. :)

He did learn something from the snoozing students in the lecture hall!

Haha! While back he did a video on how he does videos -- actually full
of useful info!

..Was sort of nice to see he as a professional and knowledgeable person
also had those change of plans as the project progressed: what works on
paper doesn't necessarily work in real life. And the plan to send the
copper boards off to be laser cut - don't recall the reason he didn't
but most of us would probably save the money (and processing time) by
doing at home, even though the results might not look totally
professional.

Yep, he likes to show how things Didn't Work As Planned too, but usually
with a Solution or Workaround.

KM> Unlike a few I could name, who spend WAY too much time filming
KM> the mundane and repetitive, and not nearly enough on the useful
KM> bits.

Yup. And some cut too much: how did you get from this point to that
one? And thinking of some of the Raspberry Pi cases: if insert the
board this way won't fit easily but this other way it falls right into position. Tell us that!! Or at least show.

Oh yeah, I've seen that too. If they were writing a novel, they'd be the
kind who can't figure out how to write action, so instead of showing the fight, they show the argument and then cut to talking about the bleeding bodies.

KM> While back Chris had one comparing various SD card options that
KM> was so useful, I printed out the results chart to carry with me
KM> for when I next buy SD cards.

Oo! Have the link? I've see where a brand looks to be the same except
the colour is different. Obviously a reason, but what?

http://doomgold.com/pcstuff/USB/
ready to print. :D

His video would have been in March but since the New Youtube nuked the
Old Mobile Interface (and the joke is on them... ever since, all their
ads error out!), I can't get channels to come up (and if they do,
there's no way to Sort All by date)... um, I think this was the
benchmarking video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUResed38uo

and here's another with info on different types of current SD cards,
including the numerous speed classes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUResed38uo

Hmm. I note that the slower Sandisk SD card is made in China, and the
faster one is made in Taiwan.

Got a laugh from one of the comments... "this man looks like a cross
between the Beatles and Bill Gates." :D (I swear, never a hair out of
place and always looks the same. The black shirt is for green screen
filming, tho.)

A fair generalization for flash storage is that higher capacity is
faster, because smaller bits means shorter distance per read/write.

Oh, for the Pi enthusiasts, a comparison of Pi OSs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSF_jXGH4EQ

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Hi Ky!

> KM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIYZwsc19CU
> KM> Was a little cranky getting there, but the end result is cool!
> At least he sped up the video when unscrewing and screwing in the case
> cover! ...Otherwise interesting video: booting from the SSD card really
> made a huge difference!
KM> He's a former professor of computer science (or something like,
KM> at Nottingham no less -- used to ride the same public transit as
KM> the Periodic Videos guy!) and is now a professional presenter. So
KM> he has a full set of clues on how not to dwell on the boring
KM> parts. :)
He did learn something from the snoozing students in the lecture hall!

Haha! While back he did a video on how he does videos -- actually
full of useful info!

Making good videos is more than aiming the camera in the general
direction and tapping the record button.

..Was sort of nice to see he as a professional and knowledgeable person
also had those change of plans as the project progressed: what works on paper doesn't necessarily work in real life. And the plan to send the copper boards off to be laser cut - don't recall the reason he didn't
but most of us would probably save the money (and processing time) by
doing at home, even though the results might not look totally
professional.

Yep, he likes to show how things Didn't Work As Planned too, but
usually with a Solution or Workaround.

Which could help with self-esteem: "he did it soooo easilty"! Nope, he
had a few false starts also.

KM> Unlike a few I could name, who spend WAY too much time filming
KM> the mundane and repetitive, and not nearly enough on the useful
KM> bits.
Yup. And some cut too much: how did you get from this point to that
one? And thinking of some of the Raspberry Pi cases: if insert the
board this way won't fit easily but this other way it falls right into position. Tell us that!! Or at least show.

Oh yeah, I've seen that too. If they were writing a novel, they'd
be the kind who can't figure out how to write action, so instead
of showing the fight, they show the argument and then cut to
talking about the bleeding bodies.

Yup. And a side note on the Raspberry Pi 4: the have two mini-HDMI
ports -- use the one next to the power connector as the other one
doesn't have sound. Or at least doesn't if the only HDMI port used.

KM> While back Chris had one comparing various SD card options that
KM> was so useful, I printed out the results chart to carry with me
KM> for when I next buy SD cards.
Oo! Have the link? I've see where a brand looks to be the same except
the colour is different. Obviously a reason, but what?

http://doomgold.com/pcstuff/USB/
ready to print. :D

Thanks!! (I've got to get working on my website -- but first!)

His video would have been in March but since the New Youtube
nuked the Old Mobile Interface (and the joke is on them... ever
since, all their ads error out!), I can't get channels to come up
(and if they do, there's no way to Sort All by date)... um, I

I thought I have been able to get to the content without ads a lot
lately! Do and don't go to YouTube that much: usually prefer text instructions though most of the stuff I'm looking for is fixed/etc. via command line, though sometimes it is nice to see how something is
inserted right-to-left instead of randomly.

think this was the benchmarking video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUResed38uo
and here's another with info on different types of current SD
cards, including the numerous speed classes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUResed38uo

Will check those out -- might be doing screen shots or taking notes.

Hmm. I note that the slower Sandisk SD card is made in China, and
the faster one is made in Taiwan.

Now that's a bit of an odd bit of trivia!

Got a laugh from one of the comments... "this man looks like a
cross between the Beatles and Bill Gates." :D (I swear, never a
hair out of place and always looks the same. The black shirt is
for green screen filming, tho.)

<chuckle> As for green screen, every so often one of the meteorologists
would wear something with the right green, or detected as the right
green and portions of the overlay would show up on jackets/ties/blouses.

A fair generalization for flash storage is that higher capacity
is faster, because smaller bits means shorter distance per
read/write.

Though that occasionally backfires: haven't tried with the RPi 4 but the
older Pi's took forever to boot with a large capacity card.

Oh, for the Pi enthusiasts, a comparison of Pi OSs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSF_jXGH4EQ

I'm going to be busy later!

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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!
> He did learn something from the snoozing students in the lecture hall!
KM> Haha! While back he did a video on how he does videos -- actually
KM> full of useful info!
Making good videos is more than aiming the camera in the general
direction and tapping the record button.

Yeah, it's actually a lot of work.

He sometimes does a clever thing when talking about different apps and
OSs... he'll start inside some application, then zoom out to show us the
OS.

> ..Was sort of nice to see he as a professional and knowledgeable person
> also had those change of plans as the project progressed: what works on
KM> Yep, he likes to show how things Didn't Work As Planned too, but
KM> usually with a Solution or Workaround.
Which could help with self-esteem: "he did it soooo easilty"! Nope, he
had a few false starts also.

And the mistakes are just as informative.

There's a guy who does detailed product comparisons (stuff like tools,
fuel additives, duct tape, tire patches, etc etc) who also sometimes,
uh, shows his work -- "Project Farm" on Youtube. He talks fast and works
fast and you have to be paying attention, but there's sure no fat in the
vids.

EngelsCoachShop (who is about 20 miles from me) also sometimes 'shows
his work' that way, but he does everything easy-breezy. Well, when
you're repairing a 150 year old wagon, there ain't no rush!

Yup. And a side note on the Raspberry Pi 4: the have two mini-HDMI
ports -- use the one next to the power connector as the other one
doesn't have sound. Or at least doesn't if the only HDMI port used.

That's strange. It actually sounds like a driver bug. Is this a known
issue or something you should report?

> KM> While back Chris had one comparing various SD card options that
> KM> was so useful, I printed out the results chart to carry with me
> KM> for when I next buy SD cards.
> Oo! Have the link? I've see where a brand looks to be the same except
> the colour is different. Obviously a reason, but what?
KM> http://doomgold.com/pcstuff/USB/
KM> ready to print. :D

Thanks!! (I've got to get working on my website -- but first!)

Haha... websites I have aplenty, but haven't changed the guts since they
first went up in 1998... ain't broke, not fixing it, don't care if it
looks older than dirt. Or if the color schemes of the day were sometimes comical... they're to amuse me, not you!

KM> His video would have been in March but since the New Youtube
KM> nuked the Old Mobile Interface (and the joke is on them... ever
KM> since, all their ads error out!), I can't get channels to come up
KM> (and if they do, there's no way to Sort All by date)... um, I

I thought I have been able to get to the content without ads a lot
lately! Do and don't go to YouTube that much: usually prefer text

Yeah, tho sad to say they seem to have 'fixed' that. Joke is still on
them... there's a Youtube ad blocker for Chrome. <g> And I'm that much
more likely to go off to Invidio.us instead (Youtube relay site), where
the ads cannot follow. I wouldn't mind if it was short ads fore and aft
(and if most weren't either noisy-stupid or for outright scams), but
I've seen a 30 minute unskippable ad in front of a 5 minute video, and
that's when I said screw you. Oh, and if you leave the page up after
your vid is done, after a while it will often start playing ads
continuously.

That camera shop in NYC (the famous one whose name I can't remember)
actually did an ad so right that they had a huge number of viewers
follow the ad back to their own channel, and play it again. It's not
often you see an AD with a million independent views, when it's just a
normal "here we are and what we do" and nothing funny about it.

instructions though most of the stuff I'm looking for is fixed/etc. via command line, though sometimes it is nice to see how something is
inserted right-to-left instead of randomly.

Yes!

KM> think this was the benchmarking video:
KM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUResed38uo
KM> and here's another with info on different types of current SD
KM> cards, including the numerous speed classes:
KM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUResed38uo

Will check those out -- might be doing screen shots or taking notes.

I think I already did all the best screenshots. You'll have to take
screenies of different stuff. :D

KM> Hmm. I note that the slower Sandisk SD card is made in China, and
KM> the faster one is made in Taiwan.

Now that's a bit of an odd bit of trivia!

Not terribly surprising, tho.

KM> Got a laugh from one of the comments... "this man looks like a
KM> cross between the Beatles and Bill Gates." :D (I swear, never a
KM> hair out of place and always looks the same. The black shirt is
KM> for green screen filming, tho.)

<chuckle> As for green screen, every so often one of the meteorologists would wear something with the right green, or detected as the right
green and portions of the overlay would show up on jackets/ties/blouses.

Oh yes, I've seen that, it's hilarious. Or you get a floating severed
head. :D

KM> A fair generalization for flash storage is that higher capacity
KM> is faster, because smaller bits means shorter distance per
KM> read/write.

Though that occasionally backfires: haven't tried with the RPi 4 but the older Pi's took forever to boot with a large capacity card.

Yeah, it's still gotta be within capacity for the internal drivers.
Someone gift me a middle-aged (well, newer'n mine) digital camera --
Sony Cybershot -- and was astonished to discover that it maxes out at a
32GB SD card... my old one takes 64GB no problem. The Sony is also very
slow on still shots (like, on par with my 15 year old Olympus, er,
Fujifilm 200), but much faster on video shots. Well, I guess we know
which job it gets!

KM> Oh, for the Pi enthusiasts, a comparison of Pi OSs:
KM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSF_jXGH4EQ

I'm going to be busy later!

Heh heh... I have like 15,000 unwatched videos in queue....

> .. Suffer from insanity? No, enjoy every minute of it!
KM> We of the diseased minds... <g>
I never claimed to be totally sane!

I have an idea. I'll claim to be totally insane instead! that way the
sane parts will stick out. Er, stand out. <g>

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Hi Ky!

> He did learn something from the snoozing students in the lecture hall!
KM> Haha! While back he did a video on how he does videos -- actually
KM> full of useful info!
Making good videos is more than aiming the camera in the general
direction and tapping the record button.

Yeah, it's actually a lot of work.
He sometimes does a clever thing when talking about different
apps and OSs... he'll start inside some application, then zoom
out to show us the OS.

Sort of an element of surprise: normally application is associated with
a certain OS but (surprise!) can be run on this other one also.

> ..Was sort of nice to see he as a professional and knowledgeable person
> also had those change of plans as the project progressed: what works on
KM> Yep, he likes to show how things Didn't Work As Planned too, but
KM> usually with a Solution or Workaround.
Which could help with self-esteem: "he did it soooo easilty"! Nope, he
had a few false starts also.

And the mistakes are just as informative.

With him being experiencd (or at least more so than most watching) the
viewer would expect to see the direct journey to the final finished
product rather than the one with the detours of routes which didn't
quite work out. Plus most of the time any errors have been removed from
the final video, relegated to the blooper reels.

EngelsCoachShop (who is about 20 miles from me) also sometimes
'shows his work' that way, but he does everything easy-breezy.
Well, when you're repairing a 150 year old wagon, there ain't no
rush!

When the wheel needs repair you're not going anywhere! <g>

Yup. And a side note on the Raspberry Pi 4: the have two mini-HDMI
ports -- use the one next to the power connector as the other one
doesn't have sound. Or at least doesn't if the only HDMI port used.

That's strange. It actually sounds like a driver bug. Is this a
known issue or something you should report?

Known issue. I don't recall why two mini-HDMI ports nor if the second
one has sound after the first one is used. And I'm not the only one to
have fallen into the trap. Don't have an RPi 4 manual handy but do
recall the manual that came with the kit I purchased did have a comment
on using the port closest to the power plug. Of course I read that
after! Did look at the diagram with the parts and ports location but
that didn't say anything other than 'HDMI' -- "HDMI 1" and "HDMI 2"
would have been helpful.

...Did look online a little: the ports are marked on the PC board HDMI0
and HDMI1. I find those identifications difficult to read when the case
is surrounding. <g> And the RPi4 will do two monitors out of the box,
so double the screen space!

> KM> While back Chris had one comparing various SD card options that
> KM> was so useful, I printed out the results chart to carry with me
> KM> for when I next buy SD cards.
> Oo! Have the link? I've see where a brand looks to be the same except
> the colour is different. Obviously a reason, but what?
KM> http://doomgold.com/pcstuff/USB/
KM> ready to print. :D
Thanks!! (I've got to get working on my website -- but first!)

Haha... websites I have aplenty, but haven't changed the guts
since they first went up in 1998... ain't broke, not fixing it,
don't care if it looks older than dirt. Or if the color schemes
of the day were sometimes comical... they're to amuse me, not
you!

I tend to leave alone also, and plain does have advantages over fancy,
though depends on the circumstance.

KM> His video would have been in March but since the New Youtube
KM> nuked the Old Mobile Interface (and the joke is on them... ever
KM> since, all their ads error out!), I can't get channels to come up
KM> (and if they do, there's no way to Sort All by date)... um, I
I thought I have been able to get to the content without ads a lot
lately! Do and don't go to YouTube that much: usually prefer text

Yeah, tho sad to say they seem to have 'fixed' that. Joke is
still on them... there's a Youtube ad blocker for Chrome. <g>
And I'm that much more likely to go off to Invidio.us instead
(Youtube relay site), where the ads cannot follow. I wouldn't
mind if it was short ads fore and aft (and if most weren't either noisy-stupid or for outright scams), but I've seen a 30 minute
unskippable ad in front of a 5 minute video, and that's when I
said screw you. Oh, and if you leave the page up after your vid
is done, after a while it will often start playing ads
continuously.

Oh goodie! And yes, a half-hour ad is way too much! Equates to an informercial on TV. Regular ads are usually only 30 seconds. If a
minute it better be entertaining!

That camera shop in NYC (the famous one whose name I can't
remember) actually did an ad so right that they had a huge number
of viewers follow the ad back to their own channel, and play it
again. It's not often you see an AD with a million independent
views, when it's just a normal "here we are and what we do" and
nothing funny about it.

Now that's a good ad! I have found some TV ads to be worthy of watching several times -- some of the Progressive insurance, GEICO insurance..,
we started watching the cavemand TV show because of the ads: how are
they going to do it? Ended up not very well: think we watched three
shows and it was cancelled after the fourth.

KM> think this was the benchmarking video:
KM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUResed38uo
KM> and here's another with info on different types of current SD
KM> cards, including the numerous speed classes:
KM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUResed38uo
Will check those out -- might be doing screen shots or taking notes.

I think I already did all the best screenshots. You'll have to
take screenies of different stuff. :D

Here's a picture of him fumbling with the cable.... Here's one where he dropped the rear panel screw....

KM> Got a laugh from one of the comments... "this man looks like a
KM> cross between the Beatles and Bill Gates." :D (I swear, never a
KM> hair out of place and always looks the same. The black shirt is
KM> for green screen filming, tho.)
<chuckle> As for green screen, every so often one of the meteorologists would wear something with the right green, or detected as the right
green and portions of the overlay would show up on jackets/ties/blouses.

Oh yes, I've seen that, it's hilarious. Or you get a floating
severed head. :D

They haven't done that one yet. Closest was the lining of a jacket was allowing some of the green screen to come through.

KM> A fair generalization for flash storage is that higher capacity
KM> is faster, because smaller bits means shorter distance per
KM> read/write.
Though that occasionally backfires: haven't tried with the RPi 4 but the older Pi's took forever to boot with a large capacity card.

Yeah, it's still gotta be within capacity for the internal
drivers. Someone gift me a middle-aged (well, newer'n mine)
digital camera -- Sony Cybershot -- and was astonished to
discover that it maxes out at a 32GB SD card... my old one takes
64GB no problem. The Sony is also very slow on still shots (like,
on par with my 15 year old Olympus, er, Fujifilm 200), but much
faster on video shots. Well, I guess we know which job it gets!

Yup! ...Because of the past experiences with slow loading/booting and
the file system barrier I've pretty much have stayed with 32 GB and
smaller cards. Will eventually try a larger capacity card with the RPi4
-- or 5 -- depends when I get around to it! Right now no projects
needing a lot of local storage.

KM> Oh, for the Pi enthusiasts, a comparison of Pi OSs:
KM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSF_jXGH4EQ
I'm going to be busy later!

Heh heh... I have like 15,000 unwatched videos in queue....

Can't watch the cute kitty videos when the dogs are around?!

> .. Suffer from insanity? No, enjoy every minute of it!
KM> We of the diseased minds... <g>
I never claimed to be totally sane!

I have an idea. I'll claim to be totally insane instead! that way
the sane parts will stick out. Er, stand out. <g>

.. Screen. Mind. Both are blank.

Wait, is that how the screen blanker is supposed to work??

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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!
KM> He sometimes does a clever thing when talking about different
KM> apps and OSs... he'll start inside some application, then zoom
KM> out to show us the OS.

Sort of an element of surprise: normally application is associated with
a certain OS but (surprise!) can be run on this other one also.

Yep, that's what he does.

With him being experiencd (or at least more so than most watching) the
viewer would expect to see the direct journey to the final finished
product rather than the one with the detours of routes which didn't
quite work out. Plus most of the time any errors have been removed from
the final video, relegated to the blooper reels.

He doesn't seem to keep all the bloopers (not sure he makes many, he's
too polished for that) but he does keep the informative mistakes.

KM> EngelsCoachShop (who is about 20 miles from me) also sometimes
KM> 'shows his work' that way, but he does everything easy-breezy.
KM> Well, when you're repairing a 150 year old wagon, there ain't no
KM> rush!

When the wheel needs repair you're not going anywhere! <g>

True! unless the horse runs away with you...

> Yup. And a side note on the Raspberry Pi 4: the have two mini-HDMI
> ports -- use the one next to the power connector as the other one
> doesn't have sound. Or at least doesn't if the only HDMI port used.
KM> That's strange. It actually sounds like a driver bug. Is this a
KM> known issue or something you should report?

Known issue. I don't recall why two mini-HDMI ports nor if the second
one has sound after the first one is used. And I'm not the only one to

Hmm. I wonder if it was not enough room for a second chip or couldn't
make the price point or just someone got the wiring wrong.

have fallen into the trap. Don't have an RPi 4 manual handy but do
recall the manual that came with the kit I purchased did have a comment
on using the port closest to the power plug. Of course I read that
after! Did look at the diagram with the parts and ports location but
that didn't say anything other than 'HDMI' -- "HDMI 1" and "HDMI 2"
would have been helpful.

Little arrows pointing at the spot are good!

> Thanks!! (I've got to get working on my website -- but first!)
KM> Haha... websites I have aplenty, but haven't changed the guts
KM> since they first went up in 1998... ain't broke, not fixing it,
KM> don't care if it looks older than dirt. Or if the color schemes
KM> of the day were sometimes comical... they're to amuse me, not
KM> you!

I tend to leave alone also, and plain does have advantages over fancy,
though depends on the circumstance.

My criteria are easy to navigate and easy to work on, and doesn't make
my eyes bleed. Others' eyes may vary, especially since the color scheme
on the Twilight Asylum is purple, green, red, and yellow. <g>

Now that's a good ad! I have found some TV ads to be worthy of watching several times -- some of the Progressive insurance, GEICO insurance..,
we started watching the cavemand TV show because of the ads: how are
they going to do it? Ended up not very well: think we watched three
shows and it was cancelled after the fourth.

IBM used to have some wonderful Dilbertesque ads... still looking for
their BS detector ad...

> Will check those out -- might be doing screen shots or taking notes.
KM> I think I already did all the best screenshots. You'll have to
KM> take screenies of different stuff. :D
Here's a picture of him fumbling with the cable.... Here's one where he dropped the rear panel screw....

LOL... nope, won't see none of that!

> <chuckle> As for green screen, every so often one of the meteorologists
> would wear something with the right green, or detected as the right
> green and portions of the overlay would show up on jackets/ties/blouses.
KM> Oh yes, I've seen that, it's hilarious. Or you get a floating
KM> severed head. :D
They haven't done that one yet. Closest was the lining of a jacket was allowing some of the green screen to come through.

The best was from before green screens, tho... 1960s, KRTV in Great
Falls MT, studio was up on a hill and sat in the sun all day, no air conditioning and it got HOT in there. So since in those days they sat at
a desk to read the news, they'd wear the suit jacket on top... and just underwear below. One night no one noticed that when they got up to file
out of the studio, the camera was still live....

KM> digital camera -- Sony Cybershot -- and was astonished to
KM> discover that it maxes out at a 32GB SD card... my old one takes
KM> 64GB no problem. The Sony is also very slow on still shots (like,
KM> on par with my 15 year old Olympus, er, Fujifilm 200), but much
KM> faster on video shots. Well, I guess we know which job it gets!

Yup! ...Because of the past experiences with slow loading/booting and
the file system barrier I've pretty much have stayed with 32 GB and

Applies only if you're using FAT32, which I can't imagine why you would
in this day and age. Default on most flash drives now is exFAT. exFAT
looks like FAT32, but is its own thing. Older Windows will need an exFAT driver to see 'em.

> KM> Oh, for the Pi enthusiasts, a comparison of Pi OSs:
> KM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSF_jXGH4EQ
> I'm going to be busy later!
KM> Heh heh... I have like 15,000 unwatched videos in queue....
Can't watch the cute kitty videos when the dogs are around?!

Can't keep up with the too many things I seem to be interested in,
especially during baseball season (Tarnish and one of the Dells are busy displaying Angels and Dodgers games as we speak...)

...must remember that Project Farm has a new product comparison vid I
want to see (tho I don't remember what product!)

> .. Screen. Mind. Both are blank.

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Hi Ky!

With him being experiencd (or at least more so than most watching) the viewer would expect to see the direct journey to the final finished
product rather than the one with the detours of routes which didn't
quite work out. Plus most of the time any errors have been removed from
the final video, relegated to the blooper reels.

He doesn't seem to keep all the bloopers (not sure he makes many,
he's too polished for that) but he does keep the informative
mistakes.

Those can be just as educational.

KM> EngelsCoachShop (who is about 20 miles from me) also sometimes
KM> 'shows his work' that way, but he does everything easy-breezy.
KM> Well, when you're repairing a 150 year old wagon, there ain't no
KM> rush!
When the wheel needs repair you're not going anywhere! <g>

True! unless the horse runs away with you...

Just keep repeating to yourself "it's an adventure! It's an
adventure!"!!

> Yup. And a side note on the Raspberry Pi 4: the have two mini-HDMI
> ports -- use the one next to the power connector as the other one
> doesn't have sound. Or at least doesn't if the only HDMI port used.
KM> That's strange. It actually sounds like a driver bug. Is this a
KM> known issue or something you should report?
Known issue. I don't recall why two mini-HDMI ports nor if the second
one has sound after the first one is used. And I'm not the only one to

Hmm. I wonder if it was not enough room for a second chip or
couldn't make the price point or just someone got the wiring
wrong.

Well, I took a quick look and didn't see if sound would come out of the
second HDMI port. Would make sense if didn't: seems the RPi4 was made
with dual monitors in mind and so they would be side by side: only need
sound from one monitor (though I'd prefer left audio from the left
speaker of the left monitor and right audio from the right speaker of
the right monitor). Even if configured for mirroring monitors probably npormally too close together to want individual audio outputs.

have fallen into the trap. Don't have an RPi 4 manual handy but do
recall the manual that came with the kit I purchased did have a comment
on using the port closest to the power plug. Of course I read that
after! Did look at the diagram with the parts and ports location but
that didn't say anything other than 'HDMI' -- "HDMI 1" and "HDMI 2"
would have been helpful.

Little arrows pointing at the spot are good!

And not those dual-headed ones!

> Thanks!! (I've got to get working on my website -- but first!)
KM> Haha... websites I have aplenty, but haven't changed the guts
KM> since they first went up in 1998... ain't broke, not fixing it,
KM> don't care if it looks older than dirt. Or if the color schemes
KM> of the day were sometimes comical... they're to amuse me, not
KM> you!
I tend to leave alone also, and plain does have advantages over fancy, though depends on the circumstance.

My criteria are easy to navigate and easy to work on, and doesn't
make my eyes bleed. Others' eyes may vary, especially since the
color scheme on the Twilight Asylum is purple, green, red, and
yellow. <g>

I'm thinking I might know where the 'asylum' part came about!

Now that's a good ad! I have found some TV ads to be worthy of watching several times -- some of the Progressive insurance, GEICO insurance..,
we started watching the cavemand TV show because of the ads: how are
they going to do it? Ended up not very well: think we watched three
shows and it was cancelled after the fourth.

IBM used to have some wonderful Dilbertesque ads... still looking
for their BS detector ad...

I did a quick look also but didn't see anything; 10 MB HDD for $3398!

> Will check those out -- might be doing screen shots or taking notes.
KM> I think I already did all the best screenshots. You'll have to
KM> take screenies of different stuff. :D
Here's a picture of him fumbling with the cable.... Here's one where he dropped the rear panel screw....

LOL... nope, won't see none of that!

Which reminds me of a good lesson: don't have your waste basket next to
the table being used as the computer work bench!

> <chuckle> As for green screen, every so often one of the meteorologists
> would wear something with the right green, or detected as the right
> green and portions of the overlay would show up on jackets/ties/blouses.
KM> Oh yes, I've seen that, it's hilarious. Or you get a floating
KM> severed head. :D
They haven't done that one yet. Closest was the lining of a jacket was allowing some of the green screen to come through.

The best was from before green screens, tho... 1960s, KRTV in
Great Falls MT, studio was up on a hill and sat in the sun all
day, no air conditioning and it got HOT in there. So since in
those days they sat at a desk to read the news, they'd wear the
suit jacket on top... and just underwear below. One night no one
noticed that when they got up to file out of the studio, the
camera was still live....

Oops!! Similar but not quite as good was a male anchor on WBZ-TV
(Boston) was 'made' to get out from behind the desk at the end of the
news: suit jacket, shirt and tie on top - shorts and sandals on the
lower supposed-to-be-hidden bottom.

And locally (WOC-TV) a klutzy lanky meteorologist. At the time used a
wall panel map and the Iowa/Illinois portion was pushed out to
emphasize. He crossed over and was a little too close so got pushed by
the map section, lost his balance and fell of the platform!

KM> digital camera -- Sony Cybershot -- and was astonished to
KM> discover that it maxes out at a 32GB SD card... my old one takes
KM> 64GB no problem. The Sony is also very slow on still shots (like,
KM> on par with my 15 year old Olympus, er, Fujifilm 200), but much
KM> faster on video shots. Well, I guess we know which job it gets!
Yup! ...Because of the past experiences with slow loading/booting and
the file system barrier I've pretty much have stayed with 32 GB and

Applies only if you're using FAT32, which I can't imagine why you
would in this day and age. Default on most flash drives now is
exFAT. exFAT looks like FAT32, but is its own thing. Older
Windows will need an exFAT driver to see 'em.

OK, thanks. Have a bunch of older flash drives in various physical
formats. Know some are FAT32 and they're fine except when copying large
video files -- only get the first 4 GB! At the time 4 GB would be
everything but the last ten or fifteen minutes of the show -- what
the...!!!

Back to the 'stay with 32 GB' comment, wasn't a capacity issue but
loading speed. Not recalling or even sure if I know the format of the
64 GB cards but the problem was it took f-o-r-e-v-e-r to load (boot
time), and I think also bring up the file utility (Thunar?). Could be
more of an issue with the old Raspberry Pi's -- slower processor, etc.

> KM> Oh, for the Pi enthusiasts, a comparison of Pi OSs:
> KM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSF_jXGH4EQ
> I'm going to be busy later!
KM> Heh heh... I have like 15,000 unwatched videos in queue....
Can't watch the cute kitty videos when the dogs are around?!

Can't keep up with the too many things I seem to be interested
in, especially during baseball season (Tarnish and one of the
Dells are busy displaying Angels and Dodgers games as we
speak...)

The husband of one of the store managers was really into sports: she
said he had several TVs and they'd be on different channels so he could
watch them all at once.

...must remember that Project Farm has a new product comparison
vid I want to see (tho I don't remember what product!)

The 19" Pixer CRT to the 20" Samsung CRT!! You really need to trim that
list!! <g>

> .. Screen. Mind. Both are blank.

What did we just say?!

I didn't say anything: I was typing!



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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!

Chris has a new video comparing various OSs for x64 RPi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80CU1j36Q6s

He's a bit behind on KDE vs XFCE, tho -- there's no longer much
difference in resources required (about 100mb RAM), and KDE is a lot
better optimized.

I still love how his punky pi looks!

> When the wheel needs repair you're not going anywhere! <g>
KM> True! unless the horse runs away with you...

Just keep repeating to yourself "it's an adventure! It's an
adventure!"!!

Adventure: somebody else, having a difficult time, a long ways away.

KM> My criteria are easy to navigate and easy to work on, and doesn't
KM> make my eyes bleed. Others' eyes may vary, especially since the
KM> color scheme on the Twilight Asylum is purple, green, red, and
KM> yellow. <g>

I'm thinking I might know where the 'asylum' part came about!

Hahaha... actually it's an album by Oscar, a 1970s glam band. When I was DJing, I played it all the time.

Glah, pretty hard to find anything of theirs on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZlWlFpO13U

Ah, here we go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsixwhtb-5c

KM> IBM used to have some wonderful Dilbertesque ads... still looking
KM> for their BS detector ad...

I did a quick look also but didn't see anything; 10 MB HDD for $3398!

Those data recovery outfits that work for legal firms, they'll pay
anything...

Which reminds me of a good lesson: don't have your waste basket next to
the table being used as the computer work bench!

Ah yes... I know people who have suffered from this... I don't need
trash, I just need to lay something down and it's never seen again.

KM> The best was from before green screens, tho... 1960s, KRTV in
KM> Great Falls MT, studio was up on a hill and sat in the sun all
KM> day, no air conditioning and it got HOT in there. So since in
KM> those days they sat at a desk to read the news, they'd wear the
KM> suit jacket on top... and just underwear below. One night no one
KM> noticed that when they got up to file out of the studio, the
KM> camera was still live....

Oops!! Similar but not quite as good was a male anchor on WBZ-TV
(Boston) was 'made' to get out from behind the desk at the end of the
news: suit jacket, shirt and tie on top - shorts and sandals on the
lower supposed-to-be-hidden bottom.

Well, at least he was fully dressed! they'd come in fully dressed but
due to the oven-like qualities of the studio, had shucked their pants...

And locally (WOC-TV) a klutzy lanky meteorologist. At the time used a
wall panel map and the Iowa/Illinois portion was pushed out to
emphasize. He crossed over and was a little too close so got pushed by
the map section, lost his balance and fell of the platform!

That took talent :D

> Yup! ...Because of the past experiences with slow loading/booting and
> the file system barrier I've pretty much have stayed with 32 GB and
KM> Applies only if you're using FAT32, which I can't imagine why you
KM> would in this day and age. Default on most flash drives now is
KM> exFAT. exFAT looks like FAT32, but is its own thing. Older
KM> Windows will need an exFAT driver to see 'em.

OK, thanks. Have a bunch of older flash drives in various physical
formats. Know some are FAT32 and they're fine except when copying large video files -- only get the first 4 GB! At the time 4 GB would be
everything but the last ten or fifteen minutes of the show -- what
the...!!!

Yeah, FAT32 has a 4GB limit, and the copy will either fail or truncate
at that point. I always just reformat 'em as NTFS, that way no such
limit and they work with everything (except DOS, but DOS doesn't do USB gracefully anyway).

Back to the 'stay with 32 GB' comment, wasn't a capacity issue but
loading speed. Not recalling or even sure if I know the format of the
64 GB cards but the problem was it took f-o-r-e-v-e-r to load (boot
time), and I think also bring up the file utility (Thunar?). Could be
more of an issue with the old Raspberry Pi's -- slower processor, etc.

I think there's a hardware incompatibility in some USB3 drives, at least
vs middle-aged PCs; it seems to trigger at old capacity boundaries. I've
had problems with flash drives larger than 128GB, where they get so slow
they look hung (it may be reverting to USB1 speed, because if you wait
long enough -- like 15 minutes -- eventually the copy finishes). Some
BIOSs had a 64GB barrier and might behave similarly with larger flash
drives. Don't know why there'd be an issue with 32GB, other than the
FAT32 issue, but an old USB chip might have any number of peculiar ideas.**

Might just be the old Pi's 32bit ARM processor, which was no speed demon
and may have had limits that don't apply to the rest of the computing
world.

Chris did a speed test of 32bit vs 64bit Pi OS, and the 64bit was about
2.5 times faster on the same CPU-intensive operation. (Per my benchmarks
on random PCs, I find 64bit OS runs about 40% faster than 32bit OS.
Definitely an advantage here!)


** Such as the AMD boards that have USB2, but during boot it only
functions as USB1. Slower to boot from flash than from CD or floppy!
Never seen this with Intel, but several times with AMD, so probably a
defect in the associated and often crappy chipset.

KM> Can't keep up with the too many things I seem to be interested
KM> in, especially during baseball season (Tarnish and one of the
KM> Dells are busy displaying Angels and Dodgers games as we
KM> speak...)

The husband of one of the store managers was really into sports: she
said he had several TVs and they'd be on different channels so he could
watch them all at once.

Scheduling games at the same time, what were they thinking??!

KM> ...must remember that Project Farm has a new product comparison
KM> vid I want to see (tho I don't remember what product!)

The 19" Pixer CRT to the 20" Samsung CRT!! You really need to trim that list!! <g>

Which one makes a bigger pop when used for target practice? Let's find out!

> > .. Screen. Mind. Both are blank.
KM> What did we just say?!
I didn't say anything: I was typing!

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KY MOFFET wrote:

BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!

Chris has a new video comparing various OSs for x64 RPi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80CU1j36Q6s

And MichaelMJD had one today on the Laptop Pi...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0WGyY7njWQ

That's an interesting idea. Tho I'd like to see a more-stripped model,
that was just the screen, keyboard, and Pi slot. Don't need all the
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Hi Ky!

Chris has a new video comparing various OSs for x64 RPi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80CU1j36Q6s

Thanks! Think I'll wait until the 64-bit Raspi OS comes out -- didn't
realize (guess more pay attention) to the 32 or 64 bit option -- usually
I just stick in a 64-bit installer, if that doesn't work use a 32-bit
one. With the RPi hadn't paid attention - just installs

He's a bit behind on KDE vs XFCE, tho -- there's no longer much
difference in resources required (about 100mb RAM), and KDE is a
lot better optimized.

Not disagreeing, just at this point not really needing to switch. (That
could change!)

I still love how his punky pi looks!

:) My concern for doing something like that here is the cpu fan or
something else getting hit.

> When the wheel needs repair you're not going anywhere! <g>
KM> True! unless the horse runs away with you...
Just keep repeating to yourself "it's an adventure! It's an
adventure!"!!

Adventure: somebody else, having a difficult time, a long ways
away.

Few states away must quality!

KM> My criteria are easy to navigate and easy to work on, and doesn't
KM> make my eyes bleed. Others' eyes may vary, especially since the
KM> color scheme on the Twilight Asylum is purple, green, red, and
KM> yellow. <g>
I'm thinking I might know where the 'asylum' part came about!

Hahaha... actually it's an album by Oscar, a 1970s glam band.
When I was DJing, I played it all the time.

Hmmm: not bad!

KM> IBM used to have some wonderful Dilbertesque ads... still looking
KM> for their BS detector ad...
I did a quick look also but didn't see anything; 10 MB HDD for $3398!

Those data recovery outfits that work for legal firms, they'll
pay anything...

Just add it to the bill someone else is paying!

Which reminds me of a good lesson: don't have your waste basket next to
the table being used as the computer work bench!

Ah yes... I know people who have suffered from this... I don't
need trash, I just need to lay something down and it's never seen
again.

Your retriever dogs are a little too "retrievy'!

KM> The best was from before green screens, tho... 1960s, KRTV in
KM> Great Falls MT, studio was up on a hill and sat in the sun all
KM> day, no air conditioning and it got HOT in there. So since in
KM> those days they sat at a desk to read the news, they'd wear the
KM> suit jacket on top... and just underwear below. One night no one
KM> noticed that when they got up to file out of the studio, the
KM> camera was still live....
Oops!! Similar but not quite as good was a male anchor on WBZ-TV
(Boston) was 'made' to get out from behind the desk at the end of the
news: suit jacket, shirt and tie on top - shorts and sandals on the
lower supposed-to-be-hidden bottom.

Well, at least he was fully dressed! they'd come in fully dressed
but due to the oven-like qualities of the studio, had shucked
their pants...

Haven't been in a studio in ages but was a little warm and I was sitting
in the back in the shadows.

And locally (WOC-TV) a klutzy lanky meteorologist. At the time used a
wall panel map and the Iowa/Illinois portion was pushed out to
emphasize. He crossed over and was a little too close so got pushed by
the map section, lost his balance and fell of the platform!

That took talent :D

Yup! Few other 'fun' bloopers: old-old days they'd prop up a card the
weather satellite picture was printed on on a small easel. I think the
card was only 4x6" but with the close-up filled the screen. Every so
often it would slip off or a breeze knock it off -- good news is with
the close-up just a blurred background, though once in a while would see
a hand catching or putting the card back up.

> Yup! ...Because of the past experiences with slow loading/booting and
> the file system barrier I've pretty much have stayed with 32 GB and
KM> Applies only if you're using FAT32, which I can't imagine why you
KM> would in this day and age. Default on most flash drives now is
KM> exFAT. exFAT looks like FAT32, but is its own thing. Older
KM> Windows will need an exFAT driver to see 'em.
OK, thanks. Have a bunch of older flash drives in various physical
formats. Know some are FAT32 and they're fine except when copying large video files -- only get the first 4 GB! At the time 4 GB would be everything but the last ten or fifteen minutes of the show -- what
the...!!!

Yeah, FAT32 has a 4GB limit, and the copy will either fail or
truncate at that point. I always just reformat 'em as NTFS, that
way no such limit and they work with everything (except DOS, but
DOS doesn't do USB gracefully anyway).

Yup: first few times the file was truncated thought maybe the thumbdrive
was faulty or something had gone wrong with the copy. Looked up and
found out about the 4 GB limit; formatted and solved that problem!

Back to the 'stay with 32 GB' comment, wasn't a capacity issue but
loading speed. Not recalling or even sure if I know the format of the
64 GB cards but the problem was it took f-o-r-e-v-e-r to load (boot
time), and I think also bring up the file utility (Thunar?). Could be
more of an issue with the old Raspberry Pi's -- slower processor, etc.

I think there's a hardware incompatibility in some USB3 drives,
at least vs middle-aged PCs; it seems to trigger at old capacity boundaries. I've had problems with flash drives larger than
128GB, where they get so slow they look hung (it may be reverting
to USB1 speed, because if you wait long enough -- like 15 minutes
-- eventually the copy finishes). Some BIOSs had a 64GB barrier
and might behave similarly with larger flash drives. Don't know
why there'd be an issue with 32GB, other than the FAT32 issue,
but an old USB chip might have any number of peculiar ideas.**

Might just be the old Pi's 32bit ARM processor, which was no
speed demon and may have had limits that don't apply to the rest
of the computing world.

Chris did a speed test of 32bit vs 64bit Pi OS, and the 64bit was
about 2.5 times faster on the same CPU-intensive operation. (Per
my benchmarks on random PCs, I find 64bit OS runs about 40%
faster than 32bit OS. Definitely an advantage here!)

** Such as the AMD boards that have USB2, but during boot it only functions as USB1. Slower to boot from flash than from CD or
floppy! Never seen this with Intel, but several times with AMD,
so probably a defect in the associated and often crappy chipset.

All that could be: had more or less figured the 32 GB SD card was the
maximum the older Pi's liked to work with at a speed I liked. Haven't
tried with the RPi4 as so far don't need the additional storage space.

As for that l-o-n-g pause, don't recall which size but probably more the
16- to 32 GB range as that's the largest capacities of thumbdrives I
have. (Talking the 'stick', not the little card the RPi's use.) Did
copy some large files for sneakernet and get towards the end of the copy process and looked like the process had stalled but just running
really-really slowly.

KM> Can't keep up with the too many things I seem to be interested
KM> in, especially during baseball season (Tarnish and one of the
KM> Dells are busy displaying Angels and Dodgers games as we
KM> speak...)
The husband of one of the store managers was really into sports: she
said he had several TVs and they'd be on different channels so he could watch them all at once.

Scheduling games at the same time, what were they thinking??!

Ratings! The usual fan has one TV and so would have to choose which
game to watch, and that game would gain a Nielsen point!

KM> ...must remember that Project Farm has a new product comparison
KM> vid I want to see (tho I don't remember what product!)
The 19" Pixer CRT to the 20" Samsung CRT!! You really need to trim that list!! <g>

Which one makes a bigger pop when used for target practice? Let's
find out!

That brought back an incomplete memory: at the time I was a teenager and
took apart defective TVs and radios for their parts. Had a CRT needed
to put out in the trash -- Dad and I knew it was unsafe just to put out curbside ==> fall over, crack the neck, glass all over the place.
Similar if the trashman picks up by neck to swing into the truck.
Recall we put the tube into an old trash can but seems we also broke the
vacuum -- how we did that I don't recall. Seems the seal was slowly
broken as I recall hearing a hiss but I don't recall doing it and doubt
Dad or I would risk being that close to potential flying glass. Firing
a gun - probably not as in the city, though there was a big hill and
woods behind the back yard.

> > .. Screen. Mind. Both are blank.
KM> What did we just say?!
I didn't say anything: I was typing!

Click-click-click...

Sounds like an empty chamber to me!


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Hi Ky!

KY MOFFET wrote to KY MOFFET <=-

Dogs must have run off: you're talking to yourself again!

Chris has a new video comparing various OSs for x64 RPi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80CU1j36Q6s

And MichaelMJD had one today on the Laptop Pi... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0WGyY7njWQ
That's an interesting idea. Tho I'd like to see a more-stripped
model, that was just the screen, keyboard, and Pi slot. Don't
need all the other stuff.

Will be watching that later (too -- Daryl had a video for me to watch):
ended up having to buy a TV - twice. TV pooped out: solarization, which
they said was probably a simple-to-replace module that several years ago
cost $55. The old one wasn't that great a TV, plus other parts wil
probably start failing.

Bought a new one, hooked it up, go through the initialations (updates, registration through the set, connect to the WiFi, channel scan,
probably more) -- great picture! Distorted sound! Check - - something configured wrong? Shouldn't be as factory-new but.... What's odd is I
do vaguely recall an odd feeling with the box at the store and "take the
second one" - should have gone with it.

Return - went smoothly. Get second one home, go through the setup
again -- good picture, good sound! :)



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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!

KY MOFFET wrote to KY MOFFET <=-

Dogs must have run off: you're talking to yourself again!

It's the BBS. There's no one here but me. <g>

Will be watching that later (too -- Daryl had a video for me to watch):
ended up having to buy a TV - twice. TV pooped out: solarization, which
they said was probably a simple-to-replace module that several years ago
cost $55. The old one wasn't that great a TV, plus other parts wil
probably start failing.

Yeah, sometimes not, but sometimes the fault stresses the rest...

Bought a new one, hooked it up, go through the initialations (updates, registration through the set, connect to the WiFi, channel scan,
probably more) -- great picture! Distorted sound! Check - - something configured wrong? Shouldn't be as factory-new but.... What's odd is I

Whoops....

do vaguely recall an odd feeling with the box at the store and "take the second one" - should have gone with it.

Doncha hate when that happens!!

Return - went smoothly. Get second one home, go through the setup
again -- good picture, good sound! :)

I think I preferred the days when setup was "Remove from box, attach
antenna, plug into wall"....
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Hi Ky!

KY MOFFET wrote to KY MOFFET <=-

Dogs must have run off: you're talking to yourself again!

It's the BBS. There's no one here but me. <g>

Suuuure! When you point the one finger at other the other fingers point
back to you!

Will be watching that later (too -- Daryl had a video for me to watch): ended up having to buy a TV - twice. TV pooped out: solarization, which they said was probably a simple-to-replace module that several years ago cost $55. The old one wasn't that great a TV, plus other parts will probably start failing.

Yeah, sometimes not, but sometimes the fault stresses the rest...

Right on both: maybe stressing other parts, maybe some other failing
part was what caused this part to fail. May have been interesting to go
inside to see what is in there and to consider replacement of that one
board. Set was large enough to not fit on my workbench, especially with
the stuff piled on it!

Bought a new one, hooked it up, go through the initialations (updates, registration through the set, connect to the WiFi, channel scan,
probably more) -- great picture! Distorted sound! Check - - something configured wrong? Shouldn't be as factory-new but.... What's odd is I

Whoops....

Really.

do vaguely recall an odd feeling with the box at the store and "take the second one" - should have gone with it.

Doncha hate when that happens!!

I should know by now to go with my reactions.

Return - went smoothly. Get second one home, go through the setup
again -- good picture, good sound! :)

I think I preferred the days when setup was "Remove from box,
attach antenna, plug into wall"....

Or at least have the option to do the fancy stuff later.


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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!

> -=> KY MOFFET wrote to KY MOFFET <=-
> Dogs must have run off: you're talking to yourself again!
KM> It's the BBS. There's no one here but me. <g>

Suuuure! When you point the one finger at other the other fingers point
back to you!

I can't see them. They're imaginary fingers. <g>

Right on both: maybe stressing other parts, maybe some other failing
part was what caused this part to fail. May have been interesting to go inside to see what is in there and to consider replacement of that one
board. Set was large enough to not fit on my workbench, especially with
the stuff piled on it!

I have a microwave sitting in the back porch because ... well, the logic
board failed, and it's not hard to replace, but do I really want to
spend $40 on a new board for a 20 year old well-used microwave?? but so
far haven't convinced myself to dysmangle it (for the big magnet) and
pitch the remains.

> do vaguely recall an odd feeling with the box at the store and "take the
> second one" - should have gone with it.
KM> Doncha hate when that happens!!

I should know by now to go with my reactions.

Yeah, there are times... pay attention, Barry! the TV needs you!

> Return - went smoothly. Get second one home, go through the setup
> again -- good picture, good sound! :)
KM> I think I preferred the days when setup was "Remove from box,
KM> attach antenna, plug into wall"....

Or at least have the option to do the fancy stuff later.

That would be too easy!!
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Hi Ky!

> -=> KY MOFFET wrote to KY MOFFET <=-
> Dogs must have run off: you're talking to yourself again!
KM> It's the BBS. There's no one here but me. <g>
Suuuure! When you point the one finger at other the other fingers point
back to you!

I can't see them. They're imaginary fingers. <g>

SO "eleven, twelbe, thirteen...".

Right on both: maybe stressing other parts, maybe some other failing
part was what caused this part to fail. May have been interesting to go inside to see what is in there and to consider replacement of that one board. Set was large enough to not fit on my workbench, especially with
the stuff piled on it!

I have a microwave sitting in the back porch because ... well,
the logic board failed, and it's not hard to replace, but do I
really want to spend $40 on a new board for a 20 year old
well-used microwave?? but so far haven't convinced myself to
dysmangle it (for the big magnet) and pitch the remains.

Yup. As for my TV, would have been potential fun to repair it and maybe
use as a 'Magic Mirror' ==> project to display stuff like current and
forecast weather conditions, electronic calendar reminders,

> do vaguely recall an odd feeling with the box at the store and "take the
> second one" - should have gone with it.
KM> Doncha hate when that happens!!
I should know by now to go with my reactions.

Yeah, there are times... pay attention, Barry! the TV needs you!

It would have been interesting to know if the second TV (on the shelf)
was good. As it was only three originally. I didn't get any 'feeling'
from essentially the third one (the second one had been sold), though potentially overridden by "I hope this one is good".

> Return - went smoothly. Get second one home, go through the setup
> again -- good picture, good sound! :)
KM> I think I preferred the days when setup was "Remove from box,
KM> attach antenna, plug into wall"....
Or at least have the option to do the fancy stuff later.

That would be too easy!!

Definitely.


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