• MSI H97 motherboard quirk

    From Ky Moffet@454:1/1 to All on Tuesday, September 24, 2024 11:48:00
    If you should own one of these, you will run into this. So:

    Someone gift me an MSI "H97 Gamer 3" board and CPU, supposedly dead of
    heat exhaustion. Nothing wrong with it that learning how to mount a CPU
    cooler couldn't fix. (More than half the heatsink wasn't even touching
    the CPU.)

    Reasonably competent middle-aged board, could take a much faster CPU and
    more RAM, so for minimal investment I significantly upgraded both. It is
    now a Xeon 3.6GHz maxed out at 32GB RAM (gamer boards are often rather
    limited that way, because no game uses more than 16GB... a holdover from
    games needing to also run on PlayStation. So if you need lots of RAM,
    buy a workstation board instead. Also, many gamer boards don't actually support TWO banks of dual-channel RAM, and will have odd issues with 4
    sticks, unless underclocked. This one, fortunately, lacks that issue.)

    It has an onboard m.2 slot, so I grabbed the brand new NVMe I had to
    hand and into the slot it goes. Nothing. Pretty sure the system sees it,
    but ... no workee.

    <scratching head>

    So I put the NVMe on a PCIe slot card, and it works just fine.

    <scratching head>

    <consults MSI forum guru>

    Turns out that while the PCIe bus supports a four-lane (x4) NVMe (or at
    least is compatible enough to work), the NVMe slot does not. It only
    supports two-lane (x2). It was possibly the first consumer board with an onboard NVMe slot of any description, and apparently did not occur to
    anyone that NVMe specs would progress apace with the PCIe bus. Nor that
    anyone would be repurposing an 8 year old gamer motherboard as a
    workstation.

    It is now very hard to find a two-lane NVMe that's not been used to
    death; all those in current production are x4. Best I could do was new-old-stock m.2-style SSD (which the m.2 slot theoretically also
    supports, we'll see.)

    ===

    Something clever that so far I've only seen on MSI boards (but not this
    one):

    VERTICAL NVMe slots. But so far only one per board.

    Next step, one would think, is a bank of these, rather than just one.
    But each NVMe takes away two SATA ports, and they need to be secured so
    they don't jump out, so there's some engineering yet to do. (Would also
    be easier to keep cool than when flat on the mainboard.)

    However, Asus has workstation boards with 3 NVMe flat-mounts and 4 SATA
    ports, so it's not insur--uh--mountable.
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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Ky Moffet on Wednesday, September 25, 2024 07:18:00

    KY MOFFET wrote to ALL <=-

    Someone gift me an MSI "H97 Gamer 3" board and CPU, supposedly



    Next step, one would think, is a bank of these, rather than just
    one. But each NVMe takes away two SATA ports, and they need to be
    secured so they don't jump out, so there's some engineering yet
    to do. (Would also be easier to keep cool than when flat on the mainboard.)

    Rig up a small fan to blow air on and under the NVMe? So off to the
    side, not directly overhead. ...Might be easier (and safer) to mount a
    fan to the chassis and use a non-conducting tube to direct the air from
    the fan towards the NVMe.

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