If you like trying those downloaded operating systems but get tired of
burning CDs and DVDs, mostly for OSs that prove unsatisfactory... or if
you want to carry around a clutch of bootable utility disks in your
wallet...

Easy 2 Boot is the solution!

http://www.easy2boot.com

I've been using this for about a year now, installing Windows and linux,
and using it for partitioning software, and it couldn't be easier...


...speaking therewhich, PartitionWizardFree is dandy:

https://www.partitionwizard.com/download.html
installer (first listing) or ISOs (2nd to bottom)
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Hi Ky!

Easy 2 Boot is the solution!

Thanks! Will have to try out!

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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!

KM> Easy 2 Boot is the solution!

Thanks! Will have to try out!

Only fails I've had with it are ReactOS and Hackintosh (someone hacked
MacOS to run on a PC), and I couldn't get ReactOS to run or install from
a CD either, so probably not E2B's fault. Hackintosh loads but fails
when it goes to find a hard disk, but it's known to have Issues.

If you haven't seen ReactOS, it's a clean-room recreation of WinXP. So
far hardware support is hit-or-miss, which is likely why I've had no
luck with it. Need to try some older hardware. How often do you hear
that? :)
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Hi Ky!

KM> Easy 2 Boot is the solution!
Thanks! Will have to try out!

Only fails I've had with it are ReactOS and Hackintosh (someone
hacked MacOS to run on a PC), and I couldn't get ReactOS to run
or install from a CD either, so probably not E2B's fault.
Hackintosh loads but fails when it goes to find a hard disk, but
it's known to have Issues.

If the CD is either faulty or an OEM type might explain the fail. ...Or
a problem with 32-bit vs. 64-bit? (Obvious answers but easy enough to overlook.)

If you haven't seen ReactOS, it's a clean-room recreation of
WinXP. So far hardware support is hit-or-miss, which is likely
why I've had no luck with it. Need to try some older hardware.
How often do you hear that? :)

Well that's close to my "I hope it works with the old hardware here"!


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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!

> KM> Easy 2 Boot is the solution!
> Thanks! Will have to try out!
KM> Only fails I've had with it are ReactOS and Hackintosh (someone
KM> hacked MacOS to run on a PC), and I couldn't get ReactOS to run
KM> or install from a CD either, so probably not E2B's fault.
KM> Hackintosh loads but fails when it goes to find a hard disk, but
KM> it's known to have Issues.

If the CD is either faulty or an OEM type might explain the fail. ...Or
a problem with 32-bit vs. 64-bit? (Obvious answers but easy enough to overlook.)

Nope, it's the Hackintosh installer, it's known to be at best cranky.
Might be a fail in its SATA driver. Will have to try it with IDE.

KM> If you haven't seen ReactOS, it's a clean-room recreation of
KM> WinXP. So far hardware support is hit-or-miss, which is likely
KM> why I've had no luck with it. Need to try some older hardware.
KM> How often do you hear that? :)

Well that's close to my "I hope it works with the old hardware here"!

Finally got ReactOS v0.4.4 to run!! tho had to install from a CD.

Right now I have it set up as a dual boot with WinXP. ROS didn't like
any of my SATA controllers, but was good with a system with an IDE port
(that dying but still not needless breed). Not even all that old (2009ish).

Had to boot ROS once in "DebugFile" mode to clear some flag that got set
wrong and made it boot slow after XP was installed, but since then it's
been perfectly good.

Anyway, lots of stuff still doesn't work, and the file manager has
Issues (actually I think it's a bug in the FAT) but what does work looks
and behaves enough like XP that there's no difficulty switching between
'em.

Someone lately got Microsoft Office 10 to work on ROS (requires prior
install of Samba, of all things), a big Progress.

And on the XP side, I'm being treated to the unlikely spectacle of
fullblown XP Pro SP3 using only 71mb of RAM and reaching the desktop in
9 seconds flat. <scratching head>

For comparison, ROS is using about 100mb RAM and takes 12 seconds to boot.
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Hi Ky!

> KM> Easy 2 Boot is the solution!
> Thanks! Will have to try out!
KM> Only fails I've had with it are ReactOS and Hackintosh (someone
KM> hacked MacOS to run on a PC), and I couldn't get ReactOS to run
KM> or install from a CD either, so probably not E2B's fault.
KM> Hackintosh loads but fails when it goes to find a hard disk, but
KM> it's known to have Issues.
If the CD is either faulty or an OEM type might explain the fail. ...Or
a problem with 32-bit vs. 64-bit? (Obvious answers but easy enough to overlook.)

Nope, it's the Hackintosh installer, it's known to be at best
cranky. Might be a fail in its SATA driver. Will have to try it
with IDE.

Possibility is an SATA issue: seem to remember a compatability issue at
times.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=Hachintosh+S
ATA&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Top hit (or at least when I got it) might be an answer:
https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/hackintosh-not-detecting-sata-hds.70848/

KM> If you haven't seen ReactOS, it's a clean-room recreation of
KM> WinXP. So far hardware support is hit-or-miss, which is likely
KM> why I've had no luck with it. Need to try some older hardware.
KM> How often do you hear that? :)
Well that's close to my "I hope it works with the old hardware here"!

Finally got ReactOS v0.4.4 to run!! tho had to install from a CD.

Must have been and IDE CD. <gg> Hope you weren;t doing something like
I've tried to do: install a 64-bit OS on a 32-bit system!!

Right now I have it set up as a dual boot with WinXP. ROS didn't
like any of my SATA controllers, but was good with a system with
an IDE port (that dying but still not needless breed). Not even
all that old (2009ish).

Probably has nothing to do with anything but Ubuntu 16.04 (and maybe
14.x) have issues with dual-booting with Windows XP.

Had to boot ROS once in "DebugFile" mode to clear some flag that
got set wrong and made it boot slow after XP was installed, but
since then it's been perfectly good.

Good -- maybe the boot from the SERVICE partition flag? (Thinking the
Ubuntu issue again.)

Anyway, lots of stuff still doesn't work, and the file manager
has Issues (actually I think it's a bug in the FAT) but what does
work looks and behaves enough like XP that there's no difficulty
switching between 'em.

The bugs are starting to seem vary much like the ones I experienced on
my laptop with XP/Ubuntu!

And on the XP side, I'm being treated to the unlikely spectacle
of fullblown XP Pro SP3 using only 71mb of RAM and reaching the
desktop in 9 seconds flat. <scratching head>

Wow!! I haven't timed my Virtual XP boot time on this Ubuntu desktop
system but it seems to be longer and wanted about 10x that amt of RAM to
work decently.



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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!

KM> Nope, it's the Hackintosh installer, it's known to be at best
KM> cranky. Might be a fail in its SATA driver. Will have to try it
KM> with IDE.

Possibility is an SATA issue: seem to remember a compatability issue at times.

Standards, so many to choose from...

https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=Hachintosh+S
ATA&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Top hit (or at least when I got it) might be an answer:
https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/hackintosh-not-detecting-sata-hds.70848/

Leave it to Apple to be 10 years behind PC hardware. It doesn't support
AMD CPUs either, tho I guess there's now a driver hack for that.
Naturally I don't have IDE and Intel in the same spare box, and
installing it in a VM sounds like Work. For one thing, first I'd have to install and figure out using a VM. :)

You wouldn't believe how many error messages go by up to the point where
the Mac installer finally spits up a GUI. Literally hundreds, mostly referencing internal hacks. Never let it be said Apple fixed a bug if
they could paste over it instead!

KM> Finally got ReactOS v0.4.4 to run!! tho had to install from a CD.
Must have been and IDE CD. <gg> Hope you weren;t doing something like
I've tried to do: install a 64-bit OS on a 32-bit system!!

Ooops :)

KM> Right now I have it set up as a dual boot with WinXP. ROS didn't
KM> like any of my SATA controllers, but was good with a system with
KM> an IDE port (that dying but still not needless breed). Not even
KM> all that old (2009ish).

Probably has nothing to do with anything but Ubuntu 16.04 (and maybe
14.x) have issues with dual-booting with Windows XP.

I stopped even looking at Ubuntu years ago, and will never again do a
Win/*NIX dual boot, so no idea. However, I vaguely recall that you need
to install Windows first, then linux, so GRUB can grab everything.

ReactOS is geared toward being compatible with Windows (right now the
goal is to be byte-compatible with Win2003), and runs on FAT32, so was
treated as a DOS partition. Tho XP's boot loader calls it "Unidentified Operating System on Partition C" :)

KM> Had to boot ROS once in "DebugFile" mode to clear some flag that
KM> got set wrong and made it boot slow after XP was installed, but
KM> since then it's been perfectly good.

Good -- maybe the boot from the SERVICE partition flag? (Thinking the
Ubuntu issue again.)

No idea, but good a guess as any.

KM> Anyway, lots of stuff still doesn't work, and the file manager
KM> has Issues (actually I think it's a bug in the FAT) but what does
KM> work looks and behaves enough like XP that there's no difficulty
KM> switching between 'em.

The bugs are starting to seem vary much like the ones I experienced on
my laptop with XP/Ubuntu!

Well, installing Ubuntu was your first mistake. Next time try PCLinuxOS. :)

KM> And on the XP side, I'm being treated to the unlikely spectacle
KM> of fullblown XP Pro SP3 using only 71mb of RAM and reaching the
KM> desktop in 9 seconds flat. <scratching head>

Wow!! I haven't timed my Virtual XP boot time on this Ubuntu desktop
system but it seems to be longer and wanted about 10x that amt of RAM to
work decently.

This is on real hardware, not a VM. And a rather old HD so not getting
any boost there. For comparison, ReactOS boots in 12 seconds and uses
around 100mb RAM. Normal XP that isn't from another planet does at best
30 seconds and ~350mb RAM. I have no idea why this one is being so
economical; it looks like it's running all the normal stuff, and I've installed this exact version before without such miracles. No 3rd party drivers installed and no networking as yet, but even so it shouldn't
make that much difference... even my TinyXP install uses more RAM!

XP64, on somewhat faster hardware, takes about 90 seconds to boot and
uses around <looking> 400mb RAM (tho it has all its drivers and
networking, and has presently been up for about six weeks).
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Hi Ky!

KM> Nope, it's the Hackintosh installer, it's known to be at best
KM> cranky. Might be a fail in its SATA driver. Will have to try it
KM> with IDE.
Possibility is an SATA issue: seem to remember a compatability issue at times.

Standards, so many to choose from...

Not to mention interchangeable parts won't!

https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=Hachintosh+S
ATA&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Top hit (or at least when I got it) might be an answer:

ttps://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/hackintosh-not-detecting-sata-hds.7084

Leave it to Apple to be 10 years behind PC hardware. It doesn't
support AMD CPUs either, tho I guess there's now a driver hack
for that. Naturally I don't have IDE and Intel in the same spare
box, and installing it in a VM sounds like Work. For one thing,
first I'd have to install and figure out using a VM. :)

Actually the Virtual Machine, or at least the two for Linux I used,
isn't that much of a problem. (And the reason for the two is the VM
suggested and supported by Linux does only USB 1; the one from Oracle
does USB 2 and 3, so I switched to that option.) For my use the only
issue I had was at first using the default allocation of RAM (512 MB)
which caused a sluggishness in the BBS editor, sometimes severe at time,
almost to the point I thought things had locked up. One click to
allocate 768 MB seems to have solved 99% of the problem: occasionally
see a slight hesitation.

Now for what VM you need for your side.....

You wouldn't believe how many error messages go by up to the
point where the Mac installer finally spits up a GUI. Literally
hundreds, mostly referencing internal hacks. Never let it be said
Apple fixed a bug if they could paste over it instead!

I'm surprised they haven't renamed to "insect": sounds nicer than 'bug'!

KM> Finally got ReactOS v0.4.4 to run!! tho had to install from a CD.
Must have been and IDE CD. <gg> Hope you weren't doing something like
I've tried to do: install a 64-bit OS on a 32-bit system!!

Ooops :)

<chuckle> The Linux installer stops and puts up a error within a
minute. The problem is more me know knowing whether the hardware can
use a 64-bit OS; I've picked up some equipment with a 32-bit Windows
installed and the hardware is 64-bit.

KM> Right now I have it set up as a dual boot with WinXP. ROS didn't
KM> like any of my SATA controllers, but was good with a system with
KM> an IDE port (that dying but still not needless breed). Not even
KM> all that old (2009ish).
Probably has nothing to do with anything but Ubuntu 16.04 (and maybe
14.x) have issues with dual-booting with Windows XP.

I stopped even looking at Ubuntu years ago, and will never again
do a Win/*NIX dual boot, so no idea. However, I vaguely recall
that you need to install Windows first, then linux, so GRUB can
grab everything.

In this one instance the original OS on the laptop was a Lenovo- (IBM) installed Windows XP, so your suggested preferred sequence was XP then
Ubuntu. Only reason I sort of wanted to keep Window was because it was
on a portable machine and so the availability of a Windows OS (albeit
old) could be useful. Might go the VM path (Ubuntu with a Virtual
Machine of Windows).

I'll probably stick with Ubuntu: went that fork as the TV recording
equipment is Mythbuntu: MythTV on a pared-down Ubuntu OS. (The OS can
be upgraded to the full-blown version; a few of the Mythbuntu Frontends
can be used both ways.)

ReactOS is geared toward being compatible with Windows (right now
the goal is to be byte-compatible with Win2003), and runs on
FAT32, so was treated as a DOS partition. Tho XP's boot loader
calls it "Unidentified Operating System on Partition C" :)

Good thing wasn't limited to the 8.3 convention!! You'd have a
"UOSonPtC"!

KM> Had to boot ROS once in "DebugFile" mode to clear some flag that
KM> got set wrong and made it boot slow after XP was installed, but
KM> since then it's been perfectly good.
Good -- maybe the boot from the SERVICE partition flag? (Thinking the Ubuntu issue again.)

No idea, but good a guess as any.

Figured I'd suggest something potentialy valid and see if it makes sense
for your side.

KM> Anyway, lots of stuff still doesn't work, and the file manager
KM> has Issues (actually I think it's a bug in the FAT) but what does
KM> work looks and behaves enough like XP that there's no difficulty
KM> switching between 'em.
The bugs are starting to seem vary much like the ones I experienced on
my laptop with XP/Ubuntu!

Well, installing Ubuntu was your first mistake. Next time try
PCLinuxOS. :)

<whimper!> ...Looking/scanning some onf the Google hits on PCLinuxOS --
may be a worthwhile consideratin for my old laptop. Knew one of the
potential problems was going to be it's memory limitations: IIRC max of
4 GB, has 3 installed. PCLinuxOS has a minumum recommended 1 GB, so
maybe...

KM> And on the XP side, I'm being treated to the unlikely spectacle
KM> of fullblown XP Pro SP3 using only 71mb of RAM and reaching the
KM> desktop in 9 seconds flat. <scratching head>
Wow!! I haven't timed my Virtual XP boot time on this Ubuntu desktop
system but it seems to be longer and wanted about 10x that amt of RAM to work decently.

This is on real hardware, not a VM. And a rather old HD so not
getting any boost there. For comparison, ReactOS boots in 12
seconds and uses around 100mb RAM. Normal XP that isn't from
another planet does at best 30 seconds and ~350mb RAM. I have no
idea why this one is being so economical; it looks like it's
running all the normal stuff, and I've installed this exact
version before without such miracles. No 3rd party drivers
installed and no networking as yet, but even so it shouldn't make
that much difference... even my TinyXP install uses more RAM!

I think you have a decimal point playing tricks on you! <gg> (Semi- referencing an old joke about an accountant miscalculating because he
thought a particle from an eraser was a decimal point,)

XP64, on somewhat faster hardware, takes about 90 seconds to boot
and uses around <looking> 400mb RAM (tho it has all its drivers
and networking, and has presently been up for about six weeks).

OK - I don't feel so bad waiting. :) ...BTW, speaking of boot speeds,
I recently installed a 'new' printer server. (For anyone else reading
this it is device which 'translates' a network address for use by the
USB printer, so instead of relying on a specific computer the USB
printer is independant.)

Old printer server which I got years ago, was frequently horrendously
slow: sometimes several minutes before the printer turned on. (The
problem was under XP and then Ubuntu.) Also would constantly drop out, requiring a power boot (of the server). The new server has not
experienced a drop out, plus the printer wakes up within a few seconds (longest I've counted was 14).


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BARRY MARTIN wrote:

Hi Ky!

Yo!

which caused a sluggishness in the BBS editor, sometimes severe at time,

almost to the point I thought things had locked up. One click to
allocate 768 MB seems to have solved 99% of the problem: occasionally
see a slight hesitation.

This is where I express my astonishment that it runs on a mere 768mb!

Now for what VM you need for your side.....

A big one. <g>

KM> You wouldn't believe how many error messages go by up to the
KM> point where the Mac installer finally spits up a GUI. Literally
KM> hundreds, mostly referencing internal hacks. Never let it be said
KM> Apple fixed a bug if they could paste over it instead!

I'm surprised they haven't renamed to "insect": sounds nicer than 'bug'!

They probably have; that way they can claim it has no bugs!

I'll probably stick with Ubuntu: went that fork as the TV recording
equipment is Mythbuntu: MythTV on a pared-down Ubuntu OS. (The OS can
be upgraded to the full-blown version; a few of the Mythbuntu Frontends
can be used both ways.)

One I never had to look at doing a specific job, then I might stand to
keep one of Ubuntu's relations, but as an everyday desktop, I'd have to
hurt someone!

KM> ReactOS is geared toward being compatible with Windows (right now
KM> the goal is to be byte-compatible with Win2003), and runs on
KM> FAT32, so was treated as a DOS partition. Tho XP's boot loader
KM> calls it "Unidentified Operating System on Partition C" :)

Good thing wasn't limited to the 8.3 convention!! You'd have a
"UOSonPtC"!

"GuessOS" :)

<whimper!> ...Looking/scanning some onf the Google hits on PCLinuxOS --
may be a worthwhile consideratin for my old laptop. Knew one of the potential problems was going to be it's memory limitations: IIRC max of
4 GB, has 3 installed. PCLinuxOS has a minumum recommended 1 GB, so
maybe...

You have an interesting definition of "old" :) It does fine on a box
that's got 2GB RAM and probably half or a third as much CPU. 4GB on a
laptop, I should have such complaints! <g>

KM> that much difference... even my TinyXP install uses more RAM!

I think you have a decimal point playing tricks on you! <gg> (Semi- referencing an old joke about an accountant miscalculating because he
thought a particle from an eraser was a decimal point,)

New definition of particle physics :D

KM> XP64, on somewhat faster hardware, takes about 90 seconds to boot
KM> and uses around <looking> 400mb RAM (tho it has all its drivers
KM> and networking, and has presently been up for about six weeks).

OK - I don't feel so bad waiting. :) ...BTW, speaking of boot speeds,
I recently installed a 'new' printer server. (For anyone else reading
this it is device which 'translates' a network address for use by the
USB printer, so instead of relying on a specific computer the USB
printer is independant.)

An actual physical device or in software?

Old printer server which I got years ago, was frequently horrendously
slow: sometimes several minutes before the printer turned on. (The
problem was under XP and then Ubuntu.) Also would constantly drop out, requiring a power boot (of the server). The new server has not
experienced a drop out, plus the printer wakes up within a few seconds (longest I've counted was 14).

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Hi Ky!

which caused a sluggishness in the BBS editor, sometimes severe
at time,

almost to the point I thought things had locked up. One click to
allocate 768 MB seems to have solved 99% of the problem: occasionally
see a slight hesitation.

This is where I express my astonishment that it runs on a mere
768mb!

I know! With normal Windows it would be barely crawling along -- and I
don't see any additional HDD activity.

Now for what VM you need for your side.....

A big one. <g>

<Taking out tape measure....>

KM> You wouldn't believe how many error messages go by up to the
KM> point where the Mac installer finally spits up a GUI. Literally
KM> hundreds, mostly referencing internal hacks. Never let it be said
KM> Apple fixed a bug if they could paste over it instead!
I'm surprised they haven't renamed to "insect": sounds nicer than 'bug'!

They probably have; that way they can claim it has no bugs!

Rear Admiral Hopper would be so proud!

I'll probably stick with Ubuntu: went that fork as the TV recording equipment is Mythbuntu: MythTV on a pared-down Ubuntu OS. (The OS can
be upgraded to the full-blown version; a few of the Mythbuntu Frontends
can be used both ways.)

One I never had to look at doing a specific job, then I might
stand to keep one of Ubuntu's relations, but as an everyday
desktop, I'd have to hurt someone!

<Looking at misbehaving computers hanging on the fence; thinking
probably not an idle threat> Maybe because I don't know any better, but
seems to work to my satisfaction. (And not an arguement, just a
comment.) And would how are you on Raspbian? Playing with that a
little.

KM> ReactOS is geared toward being compatible with Windows (right now
KM> the goal is to be byte-compatible with Win2003), and runs on
KM> FAT32, so was treated as a DOS partition. Tho XP's boot loader
KM> calls it "Unidentified Operating System on Partition C" :)
Good thing wasn't limited to the 8.3 convention!! You'd have a
"UOSonPtC"!

"GuessOS" :)

:) Or in France that would be the 'SystŠme op‚rationnel', so is the
"GuessSo"!

<whimper!> ...Looking/scanning some onf the Google hits on PCLinuxOS --
may be a worthwhile consideratin for my old laptop. Knew one of the potential problems was going to be it's memory limitations: IIRC max of
4 GB, has 3 installed. PCLinuxOS has a minumum recommended 1 GB, so maybe...

You have an interesting definition of "old" :) It does fine on a
box that's got 2GB RAM and probably half or a third as much CPU.
4GB on a laptop, I should have such complaints! <g>

Actually I have two laptops: the one I was talking about is the older of
the two so is the old laptop. ...The older of the two is a Lenovo T61
and the newer is an HP something-or-other -- which has never left the
house. At least the T61 gets to wander with me once in a while.

KM> that much difference... even my TinyXP install uses more RAM!
I think you have a decimal point playing tricks on you! <gg> (Semi- referencing an old joke about an accountant miscalculating because he thought a particle from an eraser was a decimal point,)

New definition of particle physics :D

<groan!>

KM> XP64, on somewhat faster hardware, takes about 90 seconds to boot
KM> and uses around <looking> 400mb RAM (tho it has all its drivers
KM> and networking, and has presently been up for about six weeks).
OK - I don't feel so bad waiting. :) ...BTW, speaking of boot speeds,
I recently installed a 'new' printer server. (For anyone else reading
this it is device which 'translates' a network address for use by the
USB printer, so instead of relying on a specific computer the USB
printer is independant.)

An actual physical device or in software?

Physical device. D-Link DP-301U -- got it on a super-good deal from
eBay for $12.50!!

Old printer server which I got years ago, was frequently horrendously
slow: sometimes several minutes before the printer turned on. (The
problem was under XP and then Ubuntu.) Also would constantly drop out, requiring a power boot (of the server). The new server has not
experienced a drop out, plus the printer wakes up within a few seconds (longest I've counted was 14).

Progress!

Definitely! Not sure where the problem was with the old printer server
(also a physical device. 'Starting point' might be my HP 940c isn't
listed but the 920c is, and they're supposed to be equivalent (the 940c
being faster), but maybe there's a difference in the chips. Figuring
the problem was in the server as had the same issues under XP as did
with Ubuntu.


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