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Gas mileage -- higher the better, though since I generally only drive BM>around town not overly important -- just don't want a gas-guzzler. BM>Earlier plans were to trade in for a hybrid car in a few years.

Nah. Small diesels get even better mileage than a Prius. Contrary to
popular (if not almost universal) misconception, the Prius is *not* the
car with top gas mileage. At highway speeds it runs exclusively on its gasoline engine just like any other road-rat. Worse, in fact, because
it's lugging around all those heavy batteries. It shines in stop'n'go
city traffic, where it recoups energy losses in braking vs burning off
that kinetic energy as heat. Hell, get the smallest 4-banger you can in
a light car (vs lugging around 1000lbs in batteries), and live happily
with the mileage.

Don't need a lot of seating, so a small/compact car would work there. BM>OTOH too small and I get a bit concerned about safety. Would take a bit BM>of eduction to get me into a super-small car, though technically that's BM>all I need.

On the plus side, they're pretty manoeuverable, and you can fit in
parking spaces where a land-barge would need 2 spaces.

Age -- ball-park cut-off is 2000, and that's looking at a 10-year old BM>car.

Should be pretty easy, then.

2-door is fine -- have one now, though with 2-doors they're long and
some of the parking spaces get skinny.

Measure 'em. If you only got 2' to the side, it makes little difference
if you have a 2dr or 4dr. The space you'd slide out through is simply
farther to the rear in the 2dr, but you *still* have only 2' to slide
out from, regardless.

Automatic and air, plus rear window defogger, definately.

Summers get that hot? I've gotten quite used to driving with the
windows open even on hot days. And, we got hot'n'humid NYC summers, no
idea how bad you *think* you got it out there. :D

And I *HATE* heat and humidity. But there's something to be said about "open-air" driving.

The big problem (for me) is to narrow down to a couple of brands. I

Nah, see above. "Brands" are almost meaningless. You can get a
lemon or a jewel in any brand, and it's more likely to be luck of
the draw than anything else.

True. Realized that; have heard where ___ model in one line/brand is the BM>same as the --- model in another line/brand, with a few minor changes.

Unrelated issue, but yeah. Fords share the same models with Mercury and Lincoln, GM shares the same models with Pontiac, Chevy, Buick, Olds, and
Caddy. Eg, my Chevy Cavalier was also the Pontiac Sunbird, Buick
SkyHawk, Olds Firenza, Caddy(!) Cimarron, all of 'em J-bodies.

For a daily-driver, no other issues or pressing needs, I'd
personally recommend a diesel. Rugged as dirt, no timing issues
or distributors or plugs or coils, they just *work*. In cold
climes, glow plugs will do ya, or carry a spray-can of Et2O in
case it's stubborn. Can get some seriously impressive mileage
out of 'em, and the engine will likely outlive you and me put
together.

Never really considered a diesel....

They're (sloooowly) making a comeback, despite the immensely bad press
they got a buncha years ago. If you could grab an old VW Rabbit diesel,
or Mercedes 500TD, get it. Especially the former was a gas-miser,
getting something obscene like 50-55mpg back in the '80s!!

Motorcycle would have to have electric start with my leg, even before
the fracture. ...The 2010 Ford Focus in Sterling Grey's not bad... not BM>getting a brand new one, though. ...Played a bit with their payment BM>estimator -- only $281 / month!

Naw, would stay away from new cars. You pay something like a 20%
premium over a 2yo version of the same model.
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Gas mileage -- higher the better, though since I generally only drive
around town not overly important -- just don't want a gas-guzzler.
Earlier plans were to trade in for a hybrid car in a few years.

Nah. Small diesels get even better mileage than a Prius.
Contrary to popular (if not almost universal) misconception, the
Prius is *not* the car with top gas mileage. At highway speeds
it runs exclusively on its gasoline engine just like any other
road-rat. Worse, in fact, because it's lugging around all those
heavy batteries. It shines in stop'n'go city traffic, where it
recoups energy losses in braking vs burning off that kinetic
energy as heat. Hell, get the smallest 4-banger you can in a
light car (vs lugging around 1000lbs in batteries), and live
happily with the mileage.

Possibly for my driving the Prius/equivalent would be the car of choice because I usually drive the in the city and rarely on the highway.

Age -- ball-park cut-off is 2000, and that's looking at a 10-year old
car.

Should be pretty easy, then.

It's giving me a wider range to select from.

2-door is fine -- have one now, though with 2-doors they're long and
some of the parking spaces get skinny.

Measure 'em. If you only got 2' to the side, it makes little
difference if you have a 2dr or 4dr. The space you'd slide out
through is simply farther to the rear in the 2dr, but you *still*
have only 2' to slide out from, regardless.

True: two feet is two feet, but if the door is three feet long the angle
it is allowed to open is greater than if the door was five feet long. I
agree the open space is the same amount, but the location is further
back with the two door as compared with the two door.

Automatic and air, plus rear window defogger, definately.

Summers get that hot? I've gotten quite used to driving with the
windows open even on hot days. And, we got hot'n'humid NYC
summers, no idea how bad you *think* you got it out there. :D

Summers here get hot and humid. This summer was unusually cool;
normally we get 90 to 100o+ days; couple that with high humidity.....
(It's 7:20 a.m. as I write this. 62o and 93% humidity at the house; the
local wunderground site says 61o and 95%. The good news is the humidity
has been decreasing as the temperture rises.)

And I *HATE* heat and humidity. But there's something to be said
about "open-air" driving.

The breeze in your hair; the window down, the better for the over driver
to hear your curses.... <g>

the fracture. ...The 2010 Ford Focus in Sterling Grey's not bad... not
getting a brand new one, though. ...Played a bit with their payment
estimator -- only $281 / month!

Naw, would stay away from new cars. You pay something like a 20%
premium over a 2yo version of the same model.

No; I'd also stay away from the brand-new models, even if I had the
money. I'd rather spend that 'extra' money on something else.

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Measure 'em. If you only got 2' to the side, it makes little
difference if you have a 2dr or 4dr. The space you'd slide out
through is simply farther to the rear in the 2dr, but you *still*
have only 2' to slide out from, regardless.

True: two feet is two feet, but if the door is three feet long the angle BM>it is allowed to open is greater than if the door was five feet long. I BM>agree the open space is the same amount, but the location is further
back with the two door as compared with the two door.

But seats slide back way farther in 2drs, so you *can* slide back the
seat towards the widest opening...

Automatic and air, plus rear window defogger, definately.

Summers get that hot? I've gotten quite used to driving with the
windows open even on hot days. And, we got hot'n'humid NYC
summers, no idea how bad you *think* you got it out there. :D

Summers here get hot and humid. This summer was unusually cool;
normally we get 90 to 100o+ days; couple that with high humidity..... BM>(It's 7:20 a.m. as I write this. 62o and 93% humidity at the house; the BM>local wunderground site says 61o and 95%. The good news is the humidity BM>has been decreasing as the temperture rises.)

Huh... Didn't think it got that bad over there. Sounds just like
typische NYC summers.

Still, I *need* AC in a building, but in a car, really ain't all that
bad, as long as you're moving even slightly, and/or you got at least
*some* breeze. Yer just sitting, not even walking, so doesn't get all
that bad.

And I *HATE* heat and humidity. But there's something to be said
about "open-air" driving.

The breeze in your hair; the window down, the better for the over driver BM>to hear your curses.... <g>

Oh, people hear me, all right...

Naw, would stay away from new cars. You pay something like a 20%
premium over a 2yo version of the same model.

No; I'd also stay away from the brand-new models, even if I had the BM>money. I'd rather spend that 'extra' money on something else.

Funny how they never tell you the actual price you'd pay, only the
payments per month.

A "commodity" car (Cobalt, Corolla, Focus, Neon, etc.) that's on the
cheap side has the best chance of being found as a few-yo car, and still
have decent support as far as parts, etc., should you keep it around
forever.
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Measure 'em. If you only got 2' to the side, it makes little
difference if you have a 2dr or 4dr. The space you'd slide out
through is simply farther to the rear in the 2dr, but you *still*
have only 2' to slide out from, regardless.

True: two feet is two feet, but if the door is three feet long the angle
it is allowed to open is greater than if the door was five feet long. I
agree the open space is the same amount, but the location is further
back with the two door as compared with the two door.

But seats slide back way farther in 2drs, so you *can* slide back
the seat towards the widest opening...

I try not to move the seat: once seat, mirrors, etc., adjusted, leave
alone. Do move the (tilt) steering wheel. :)

Automatic and air, plus rear window defogger, definately.

Summers get that hot? I've gotten quite used to driving with the
windows open even on hot days. And, we got hot'n'humid NYC
summers, no idea how bad you *think* you got it out there. :D

Summers here get hot and humid. This summer was unusually cool;
normally we get 90 to 100o+ days; couple that with high humidity.....
(It's 7:20 a.m. as I write this. 62o and 93% humidity at the house; the
local wunderground site says 61o and 95%. The good news is the humidity
has been decreasing as the temperture rises.)

Huh... Didn't think it got that bad over there. Sounds just
like typische NYC summers.

Not uncommon to run the (house) a/c for a month or so solid during the
summer. This summer was abnormally cool -- thing only had the house a/c
on for three or fours days in a row.

Still, I *need* AC in a building, but in a car, really ain't all
that bad, as long as you're moving even slightly, and/or you got
at least *some* breeze. Yer just sitting, not even walking, so
doesn't get all that bad.

One of the local television stations' on-air news personalities
transferred in from Maine -- his car doesn't have a/c and he said he definitely could use it out here.

Naw, would stay away from new cars. You pay something like a 20%
premium over a 2yo version of the same model.

No; I'd also stay away from the brand-new models, even if I had the
money. I'd rather spend that 'extra' money on something else.

Funny how they never tell you the actual price you'd pay, only
the payments per month.

Sounds better! "For only 21,996 dollars and 97 cents" (heck, it's
$22,000, less a hamburger) doesn't sound as palatable as "only $197 per month"!

A "commodity" car (Cobalt, Corolla, Focus, Neon, etc.) that's on
the cheap side has the best chance of being found as a few-yo
car, and still have decent support as far as parts, etc., should
you keep it around forever.

Those are probably the type/style of car I'm looking at.

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Gas mileage -- higher the better, though since I generally only drive BM>around town not overly important -- just don't want a gas-guzzler. BM>Earlier plans were to trade in for a hybrid car in a few years.

Nah. Small diesels get even better mileage than a Prius. Contrary to
popular (if not almost universal) misconception, the Prius is *not* the
car with top gas mileage. At highway speeds it runs exclusively on its gasoline engine just like any other road-rat. Worse, in fact, because
it's lugging around all those heavy batteries. It shines in stop'n'go
city traffic, where it recoups energy losses in braking vs burning off
that kinetic energy as heat. Hell, get the smallest 4-banger you can in
a light car (vs lugging around 1000lbs in batteries), and live happily
with the mileage.

Don't need a lot of seating, so a small/compact car would work there. BM>OTOH too small and I get a bit concerned about safety. Would take a bit BM>of eduction to get me into a super-small car, though technically that's BM>all I need.

On the plus side, they're pretty manoeuverable, and you can fit in
parking spaces where a land-barge would need 2 spaces.

Age -- ball-park cut-off is 2000, and that's looking at a 10-year old BM>car.

Should be pretty easy, then.

2-door is fine -- have one now, though with 2-doors they're long and
some of the parking spaces get skinny.

Measure 'em. If you only got 2' to the side, it makes little difference
if you have a 2dr or 4dr. The space you'd slide out through is simply
farther to the rear in the 2dr, but you *still* have only 2' to slide
out from, regardless.

Automatic and air, plus rear window defogger, definately.

Summers get that hot? I've gotten quite used to driving with the
windows open even on hot days. And, we got hot'n'humid NYC summers, no
idea how bad you *think* you got it out there. :D

And I *HATE* heat and humidity. But there's something to be said about "open-air" driving.

The big problem (for me) is to narrow down to a couple of brands. I

Nah, see above. "Brands" are almost meaningless. You can get a
lemon or a jewel in any brand, and it's more likely to be luck of
the draw than anything else.

True. Realized that; have heard where ___ model in one line/brand is the BM>same as the --- model in another line/brand, with a few minor changes.

Unrelated issue, but yeah. Fords share the same models with Mercury and Lincoln, GM shares the same models with Pontiac, Chevy, Buick, Olds, and
Caddy. Eg, my Chevy Cavalier was also the Pontiac Sunbird, Buick
SkyHawk, Olds Firenza, Caddy(!) Cimarron, all of 'em J-bodies.

For a daily-driver, no other issues or pressing needs, I'd
personally recommend a diesel. Rugged as dirt, no timing issues
or distributors or plugs or coils, they just *work*. In cold
climes, glow plugs will do ya, or carry a spray-can of Et2O in
case it's stubborn. Can get some seriously impressive mileage
out of 'em, and the engine will likely outlive you and me put
together.

Never really considered a diesel....

They're (sloooowly) making a comeback, despite the immensely bad press
they got a buncha years ago. If you could grab an old VW Rabbit diesel,
or Mercedes 500TD, get it. Especially the former was a gas-miser,
getting something obscene like 50-55mpg back in the '80s!!

Motorcycle would have to have electric start with my leg, even before
the fracture. ...The 2010 Ford Focus in Sterling Grey's not bad... not BM>getting a brand new one, though. ...Played a bit with their payment BM>estimator -- only $281 / month!

Naw, would stay away from new cars. You pay something like a 20%
premium over a 2yo version of the same model.
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Gas mileage -- higher the better, though since I generally only drive
around town not overly important -- just don't want a gas-guzzler.
Earlier plans were to trade in for a hybrid car in a few years.

Nah. Small diesels get even better mileage than a Prius.
Contrary to popular (if not almost universal) misconception, the
Prius is *not* the car with top gas mileage. At highway speeds
it runs exclusively on its gasoline engine just like any other
road-rat. Worse, in fact, because it's lugging around all those
heavy batteries. It shines in stop'n'go city traffic, where it
recoups energy losses in braking vs burning off that kinetic
energy as heat. Hell, get the smallest 4-banger you can in a
light car (vs lugging around 1000lbs in batteries), and live
happily with the mileage.

Possibly for my driving the Prius/equivalent would be the car of choice because I usually drive the in the city and rarely on the highway.

Age -- ball-park cut-off is 2000, and that's looking at a 10-year old
car.

Should be pretty easy, then.

It's giving me a wider range to select from.

2-door is fine -- have one now, though with 2-doors they're long and
some of the parking spaces get skinny.

Measure 'em. If you only got 2' to the side, it makes little
difference if you have a 2dr or 4dr. The space you'd slide out
through is simply farther to the rear in the 2dr, but you *still*
have only 2' to slide out from, regardless.

True: two feet is two feet, but if the door is three feet long the angle
it is allowed to open is greater than if the door was five feet long. I
agree the open space is the same amount, but the location is further
back with the two door as compared with the two door.

Automatic and air, plus rear window defogger, definately.

Summers get that hot? I've gotten quite used to driving with the
windows open even on hot days. And, we got hot'n'humid NYC
summers, no idea how bad you *think* you got it out there. :D

Summers here get hot and humid. This summer was unusually cool;
normally we get 90 to 100o+ days; couple that with high humidity.....
(It's 7:20 a.m. as I write this. 62o and 93% humidity at the house; the
local wunderground site says 61o and 95%. The good news is the humidity
has been decreasing as the temperture rises.)

And I *HATE* heat and humidity. But there's something to be said
about "open-air" driving.

The breeze in your hair; the window down, the better for the over driver
to hear your curses.... <g>

the fracture. ...The 2010 Ford Focus in Sterling Grey's not bad... not
getting a brand new one, though. ...Played a bit with their payment
estimator -- only $281 / month!

Naw, would stay away from new cars. You pay something like a 20%
premium over a 2yo version of the same model.

No; I'd also stay away from the brand-new models, even if I had the
money. I'd rather spend that 'extra' money on something else.

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Measure 'em. If you only got 2' to the side, it makes little
difference if you have a 2dr or 4dr. The space you'd slide out
through is simply farther to the rear in the 2dr, but you *still*
have only 2' to slide out from, regardless.

True: two feet is two feet, but if the door is three feet long the angle BM>it is allowed to open is greater than if the door was five feet long. I BM>agree the open space is the same amount, but the location is further
back with the two door as compared with the two door.

But seats slide back way farther in 2drs, so you *can* slide back the
seat towards the widest opening...

Automatic and air, plus rear window defogger, definately.

Summers get that hot? I've gotten quite used to driving with the
windows open even on hot days. And, we got hot'n'humid NYC
summers, no idea how bad you *think* you got it out there. :D

Summers here get hot and humid. This summer was unusually cool;
normally we get 90 to 100o+ days; couple that with high humidity..... BM>(It's 7:20 a.m. as I write this. 62o and 93% humidity at the house; the BM>local wunderground site says 61o and 95%. The good news is the humidity BM>has been decreasing as the temperture rises.)

Huh... Didn't think it got that bad over there. Sounds just like
typische NYC summers.

Still, I *need* AC in a building, but in a car, really ain't all that
bad, as long as you're moving even slightly, and/or you got at least
*some* breeze. Yer just sitting, not even walking, so doesn't get all
that bad.

And I *HATE* heat and humidity. But there's something to be said
about "open-air" driving.

The breeze in your hair; the window down, the better for the over driver BM>to hear your curses.... <g>

Oh, people hear me, all right...

Naw, would stay away from new cars. You pay something like a 20%
premium over a 2yo version of the same model.

No; I'd also stay away from the brand-new models, even if I had the BM>money. I'd rather spend that 'extra' money on something else.

Funny how they never tell you the actual price you'd pay, only the
payments per month.

A "commodity" car (Cobalt, Corolla, Focus, Neon, etc.) that's on the
cheap side has the best chance of being found as a few-yo car, and still
have decent support as far as parts, etc., should you keep it around
forever.
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Measure 'em. If you only got 2' to the side, it makes little
difference if you have a 2dr or 4dr. The space you'd slide out
through is simply farther to the rear in the 2dr, but you *still*
have only 2' to slide out from, regardless.

True: two feet is two feet, but if the door is three feet long the angle
it is allowed to open is greater than if the door was five feet long. I
agree the open space is the same amount, but the location is further
back with the two door as compared with the two door.

But seats slide back way farther in 2drs, so you *can* slide back
the seat towards the widest opening...

I try not to move the seat: once seat, mirrors, etc., adjusted, leave
alone. Do move the (tilt) steering wheel. :)

Automatic and air, plus rear window defogger, definately.

Summers get that hot? I've gotten quite used to driving with the
windows open even on hot days. And, we got hot'n'humid NYC
summers, no idea how bad you *think* you got it out there. :D

Summers here get hot and humid. This summer was unusually cool;
normally we get 90 to 100o+ days; couple that with high humidity.....
(It's 7:20 a.m. as I write this. 62o and 93% humidity at the house; the
local wunderground site says 61o and 95%. The good news is the humidity
has been decreasing as the temperture rises.)

Huh... Didn't think it got that bad over there. Sounds just
like typische NYC summers.

Not uncommon to run the (house) a/c for a month or so solid during the
summer. This summer was abnormally cool -- thing only had the house a/c
on for three or fours days in a row.

Still, I *need* AC in a building, but in a car, really ain't all
that bad, as long as you're moving even slightly, and/or you got
at least *some* breeze. Yer just sitting, not even walking, so
doesn't get all that bad.

One of the local television stations' on-air news personalities
transferred in from Maine -- his car doesn't have a/c and he said he definitely could use it out here.

Naw, would stay away from new cars. You pay something like a 20%
premium over a 2yo version of the same model.

No; I'd also stay away from the brand-new models, even if I had the
money. I'd rather spend that 'extra' money on something else.

Funny how they never tell you the actual price you'd pay, only
the payments per month.

Sounds better! "For only 21,996 dollars and 97 cents" (heck, it's
$22,000, less a hamburger) doesn't sound as palatable as "only $197 per month"!

A "commodity" car (Cobalt, Corolla, Focus, Neon, etc.) that's on
the cheap side has the best chance of being found as a few-yo
car, and still have decent support as far as parts, etc., should
you keep it around forever.

Those are probably the type/style of car I'm looking at.

* SLMR 2.0 #o+jw * Every time my car passes a junkyard, it gets
homesick.

<laff>

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