• Pick'em Site? 1/2

    From GENE KWIECINSKI@454:3/105 to BARRY MARTIN on Monday, September 14, 2009 23:27:00
    Valid questions, and I've considered those too. Figuring if there's an BM>eHarmony-type of site (referencing an earlier reply) it would ask those BM>questions.

    Btfoom. Last time I bought a car was 21yrs ago... Dunno if Algore
    invented The Interweb yet, back then.

    Price -- under $10,000, and that limit is linked to the monthly
    payments, so this one is in the important category.

    Btfoom2. I paid it off in one shot. Even today, would refuse any kind
    of financing. If financed, they make you keep *full* coverage on the
    car, vs being able to drop everything but liability for an older car.
    And that can be a huge chunk o' change which I bet you didn't even think
    of 'til I just mentioned it.

    And while there's nothing you can do about fire'n'theft (uhh, keep a fire-extinguisher in your car, and get a good alarm and engine
    disabler), you *can* do something about collision. Not carrying
    collision doesn't mean you don't get anything should you get into a
    crash, it just means your own insco doesn't get involved and you gotta
    duke it out with the other guy's insco yourself. And that ain't all
    that bad, as you *can* fight them every step of the way in case they try
    to stick you with all/most fault. They want a quick settlement, but
    make enough noise, and they *will* "haggle" just to get you to go away.

    Hell, I duked it out with my own insco when they wanted to stick me with
    90% fault when I was f'n *STANDING STILL* and this clown scraped the
    side of his car along the corner front bumper of mine when he a) drove
    too close to my car, steering to go *around* me and stop in front of me
    when I was waiting to get out of a parking lot exit, and b) forgot to straighten his wheels, so when the guy in front of me started moving and
    he followed, his car continued the arc to his right and that's when he
    scraped against me.

    I made enough noise, told them nfw are they gonna throw me to the wolves
    just so they don't have to duke it out in court with the other guy's
    insco ("Anything more than 10% fault for him, and they'll take it to
    court, and if that happens, it'll be 'he said, he said', and we'll
    probably lose, so we're sticking you with 90% so that doesn't happen to
    us, so scroo yoo, you're on your own."), that I'll go alllll the way up
    to the state's insurance commissioner if I have to, *and* sue *THEM* in
    court (rate hikes * however many years I'd get hit with. They paid off
    the other guy's damages to keep from going to court, but assigned me 0%
    fault like they should have right from the start.

    What I found particularly galling is that talking with "my guy", he made himself out to be my "friend" and all, literally telling me as such. I
    was biting my lip to keep from almost yelling at him, that no, he
    doesn't represent *ME*, he represents *THE INSCO*. He's *THEIR* friend,
    *NOT MINE*.

    Anyhoo, not to cross the line of barratry, but inscos try to not *ever*
    duke it out in actual court. In lawsuits, even, they'll go through the depositions, etc., but will move Hell and Earth to settle before even
    setting foot in those marble'n'mahogany Hells. So sometimes, yeah, you
    gotta make lots of noise and insist you *ain't* going away, "See ya in
    court, then...", and even if you're "representing yourself" vs having
    your insco doing it, you can make out okay. *Better*, in fact, because
    I could've gotten stuck with 90% fault in a "collision" when I was f'n
    standing f'n still, could've had the engine off, tranny in park, chocks
    on all 4 wheels, and he *still* would've scraped the side of his car on
    my front bumper, and only by threatening to make Beeg Trouble for Moose
    and Squirrel, did I get that dropped to f'n *0*%.

    So unless you plan on leaving the keys in an unlocked car, or tossing
    lit cigarettes onto the carpet, you can drop all but basic liability and
    save some big bux.

    Looks -- sporty-ish. Not necessarily a sports car, but something with a BM>bit of pizzazz. Colour not overly important.

    Wellp, nowadays pretty much *every* car looks as if it were a candybar
    left to melt out in a summer sun.

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  • From BARRY MARTIN@454:3/105 to GENE KWIECINSKI on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 08:49:00
    Hi Gene!

    [Back from visiting my parents.]

    Valid questions, and I've considered those too. Figuring if there's an
    eHarmony-type of site (referencing an earlier reply) it would ask those
    questions.
    Btfoom. Last time I bought a car was 21yrs ago... Dunno if
    Algore invented The Interweb yet, back then.

    I think he was in process of putting the pieces together. <g>

    Price -- under $10,000, and that limit is linked to the monthly
    payments, so this one is in the important category.
    Btfoom2. I paid it off in one shot. Even today, would refuse
    any kind of financing. If financed, they make you keep *full*
    coverage on the car, vs being able to drop everything but
    liability for an older car. And that can be a huge chunk o'
    change which I bet you didn't even think of 'til I just mentioned
    it.

    True -- the financing people want to be sure their rumps are covered. So
    if done the 'traditional way' one not only gets hit with the charges on borrowing money but for have to pay the insurance company for coverage
    not normally needed.

    And while there's nothing you can do about fire'n'theft (uhh,
    keep a fire-extinguisher in your car, and get a good alarm and
    engine disabler), you *can* do something about collision. Not
    carrying collision doesn't mean you don't get anything should you
    get into a crash, it just means your own insco doesn't get
    involved and you gotta duke it out with the other guy's insco
    yourself. And that ain't all that bad, as you *can* fight them
    every step of the way in case they try to stick you with all/most
    fault. They want a quick settlement, but make enough noise, and
    they *will* "haggle" just to get you to go away.

    The squeeky wheel gets the oil. ...Sort of with my little fight with
    Qwest when my DSL would cut out. "It's your computer, reboot." "It's
    your firewall." "It's your telephone equipment." "It's..." Ended up
    being their equipment at the Central Office. Took me 6 mos.-plus, but
    they finally corrected their problem.

    So unless you plan on leaving the keys in an unlocked car, or
    tossing lit cigarettes onto the carpet, you can drop all but
    basic liability and save some big bux.

    Right.

    Looks -- sporty-ish. Not necessarily a sports car, but something with a
    bit of pizzazz. Colour not overly important.
    Wellp, nowadays pretty much *every* car looks as if it were a
    candybar left to melt out in a summer sun.

    They do look pretty much alike....

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  • From GENE KWIECINSKI@454:3/105 to BARRY MARTIN on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 00:32:00
    Btfoom2. I paid it off in one shot. Even today, would refuse
    any kind of financing. If financed, they make you keep *full*
    coverage on the car, vs being able to drop everything but
    liability for an older car. And that can be a huge chunk o'
    change which I bet you didn't even think of 'til I just mentioned
    it.

    True -- the financing people want to be sure their rumps are covered. So BM>if done the 'traditional way' one not only gets hit with the charges on BM>borrowing money but for have to pay the insurance company for coverage BM>not normally needed.

    They want their bux in case the car falls off a cliff, but don't want to
    have to come after *you* to collect, so they get the insco to make good
    on any eventuality. That's a condition of getting the loan/lease.

    Lookit any daytime judge-show. Idiot lets bigger idiot "buy" a car only
    with the payments stretched out over a year or two. Car crokes, second
    idiot sez, "I ain't gots the car no mo', so why should I pay?". Hence,
    the court case... Whoever holds the note on a car-loan wants to make
    sure he gets paid regardless, hence the condition of requiring complete coverage.

    The squeeky wheel gets the oil. ...Sort of with my little fight with BM>Qwest when my DSL would cut out. "It's your computer, reboot." "It's BM>your firewall." "It's your telephone equipment." "It's..." Ended up BM>being their equipment at the Central Office. Took me 6 mos.-plus, but BM>they finally corrected their problem.

    That's why they're called "QWorst"...

    Also why I refuse any 2yr+ contract with any of those idiots. They
    explicitly say that they do *NOT* guarantee any particular uptime or
    ul/dl speeds, so they could be down for a week, or give you transfer
    speeds akin to 56k dialup, and you *can't* tell them to scratch'n'sniff, because you're locked into the contract for the duration.

    Nah. Small diesels get even better mileage than a Prius.
    Contrary to popular (if not almost universal) misconception, the
    Prius is *not* the car with top gas mileage. At highway speeds
    it runs exclusively on its gasoline engine just like any other
    road-rat. Worse, in fact, because it's lugging around all those
    heavy batteries. It shines in stop'n'go city traffic, where it
    recoups energy losses in braking vs burning off that kinetic
    energy as heat. Hell, get the smallest 4-banger you can in a
    light car (vs lugging around 1000lbs in batteries), and live
    happily with the mileage.

    Possibly for my driving the Prius/equivalent would be the car of choice BM>because I usually drive the in the city and rarely on the highway.

    A small diesel might still be the way to go. Imagine you ain't too
    concerned about racing anyone off a stoplight, nor are going to be
    towing anything. One key issue about hybrids is that the batteries are *designed* to be replaced every 5yrs or so *at most* In my car, that'd
    mean 3 or more complete replacements by now. Plus, battery tek is still developing, charging methods will be upgraded (ie, changed), so might
    not be that in 4-5yrs that you'd be able to drop in a direct
    replacement, as the batteries might no longer even be made! And
    different battery chemistry would mean a new charging circuit, etc.

    I like the *idea* of hybrids, but as a practical matter, unless you're
    some rich ecofreak like Ed Begley Jr who can *afford* the latest tek
    (probably would just buy a whole new Prius in 5yrs vs just a battery
    pack), it doesn't make sense. Fleets, too (cabs, gummint, etc.) which
    by law/policy ditch "old" cars after N years, it might also make sense.

    Eg, Disney (ummm, DSNY, Dept of Sanitation) has their inspectors go
    tootling around in Priuses/Prii/whatever. Makes sense with all the
    stop'n'go they do.

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  • From BARRY MARTIN@454:3/105 to GENE KWIECINSKI on Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:30:00
    Subject: Pick'em Site? 1/2 (1/2)

    True -- the financing people want to be sure their rumps are covered. So
    if done the 'traditional way' one not only gets hit with the charges on
    borrowing money but for have to pay the insurance company for coverage
    not normally needed.
    They want their bux in case the car falls off a cliff, but don't
    want to have to come after *you* to collect, so they get the
    insco to make good on any eventuality. That's a condition of
    getting the loan/lease.

    It's going to be able to get the money from a group someone (the insurance company) which has a pool of monies (from the insured clients) than a
    single someone (individual) who has a much smaller amount of money.

    Lookit any daytime judge-show. Idiot lets bigger idiot "buy" a
    car only with the payments stretched out over a year or two. Car
    crokes, second idiot sez, "I ain't gots the car no mo', so why
    should I pay?". Hence, the court case... Whoever holds the note
    on a car-loan wants to make sure he gets paid regardless, hence
    the condition of requiring complete coverage.

    On the one hand it sounds logical - for about one second. <g> "It
    bwoke, I ain't payin' for somethin' I can't use." In reality the
    transaction should have been pay the whole amount and then get the car;
    the seller is doing the buyer a favour by spreading out the payment over
    a period of time.

    The squeeky wheel gets the oil. ...Sort of with my little fight with
    Qwest when my DSL would cut out. "It's your computer, reboot." "It's
    your firewall." "It's your telephone equipment." "It's..." Ended up
    being their equipment at the Central Office. Took me 6 mos.-plus, but
    they finally corrected their problem.
    That's why they're called "QWorst"...

    Wonder if can start calling Mediacom (Cable TV provider) 'Mediocre-com'?!

    Also why I refuse any 2yr+ contract with any of those idiots.
    They explicitly say that they do *NOT* guarantee any particular
    uptime or ul/dl speeds, so they could be down for a week, or give
    you transfer speeds akin to 56k dialup, and you *can't* tell them
    to scratch'n'sniff, because you're locked into the contract for
    the duration.

    Plus they've got a monopoly in the wired market.

    Nah. Small diesels get even better mileage than a Prius.
    <snip>
    Possibly for my driving the Prius/equivalent would be the car of choice
    because I usually drive the in the city and rarely on the highway.
    A small diesel might still be the way to go. Imagine you ain't
    too concerned about racing anyone off a stoplight, nor are going
    to be towing anything.

    Nope. I'd definately crack the shell of that egg placed under the foot (remember the 'accelerate like there was an egg under your foot' saying
    during the gas crisis of the early 70's?) but it wouldn't get scrambled.
    Also never had a need to tow. Well, maybe a couple of times, but
    cheaper in the long run to get someone else to do it.

    One key issue about hybrids is that the
    batteries are *designed* to be replaced every 5yrs or so *at
    most* In my car, that'd mean 3 or more complete replacements by
    now. Plus, battery tek is still developing, charging methods
    will be upgraded (ie, changed), so might not be that in 4-5yrs
    that you'd be able to drop in a direct replacement, as the
    batteries might no longer even be made! And different battery
    chemistry would mean a new charging circuit, etc.

    Oh goodie!

    I like the *idea* of hybrids, but as a practical matter, unless
    you're some rich ecofreak like Ed Begley Jr who can *afford* the
    latest tek (probably would just buy a whole new Prius in 5yrs vs
    just a battery pack), it doesn't make sense. Fleets, too (cabs,
    gummint, etc.) which by law/policy ditch "old" cars after N
    years, it might also make sense.

    With the low miles I drive might be able to get 6 or 7 years out of the
    battery pack, but still is a chunk of change, not to mention the

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  • From GENE KWIECINSKI@454:3/105 to BARRY MARTIN on Monday, September 14, 2009 23:27:00
    Valid questions, and I've considered those too. Figuring if there's an BM>eHarmony-type of site (referencing an earlier reply) it would ask those BM>questions.

    Btfoom. Last time I bought a car was 21yrs ago... Dunno if Algore
    invented The Interweb yet, back then.

    Price -- under $10,000, and that limit is linked to the monthly
    payments, so this one is in the important category.

    Btfoom2. I paid it off in one shot. Even today, would refuse any kind
    of financing. If financed, they make you keep *full* coverage on the
    car, vs being able to drop everything but liability for an older car.
    And that can be a huge chunk o' change which I bet you didn't even think
    of 'til I just mentioned it.

    And while there's nothing you can do about fire'n'theft (uhh, keep a fire-extinguisher in your car, and get a good alarm and engine
    disabler), you *can* do something about collision. Not carrying
    collision doesn't mean you don't get anything should you get into a
    crash, it just means your own insco doesn't get involved and you gotta
    duke it out with the other guy's insco yourself. And that ain't all
    that bad, as you *can* fight them every step of the way in case they try
    to stick you with all/most fault. They want a quick settlement, but
    make enough noise, and they *will* "haggle" just to get you to go away.

    Hell, I duked it out with my own insco when they wanted to stick me with
    90% fault when I was f'n *STANDING STILL* and this clown scraped the
    side of his car along the corner front bumper of mine when he a) drove
    too close to my car, steering to go *around* me and stop in front of me
    when I was waiting to get out of a parking lot exit, and b) forgot to straighten his wheels, so when the guy in front of me started moving and
    he followed, his car continued the arc to his right and that's when he
    scraped against me.

    I made enough noise, told them nfw are they gonna throw me to the wolves
    just so they don't have to duke it out in court with the other guy's
    insco ("Anything more than 10% fault for him, and they'll take it to
    court, and if that happens, it'll be 'he said, he said', and we'll
    probably lose, so we're sticking you with 90% so that doesn't happen to
    us, so scroo yoo, you're on your own."), that I'll go alllll the way up
    to the state's insurance commissioner if I have to, *and* sue *THEM* in
    court (rate hikes * however many years I'd get hit with. They paid off
    the other guy's damages to keep from going to court, but assigned me 0%
    fault like they should have right from the start.

    What I found particularly galling is that talking with "my guy", he made himself out to be my "friend" and all, literally telling me as such. I
    was biting my lip to keep from almost yelling at him, that no, he
    doesn't represent *ME*, he represents *THE INSCO*. He's *THEIR* friend,
    *NOT MINE*.

    Anyhoo, not to cross the line of barratry, but inscos try to not *ever*
    duke it out in actual court. In lawsuits, even, they'll go through the depositions, etc., but will move Hell and Earth to settle before even
    setting foot in those marble'n'mahogany Hells. So sometimes, yeah, you
    gotta make lots of noise and insist you *ain't* going away, "See ya in
    court, then...", and even if you're "representing yourself" vs having
    your insco doing it, you can make out okay. *Better*, in fact, because
    I could've gotten stuck with 90% fault in a "collision" when I was f'n
    standing f'n still, could've had the engine off, tranny in park, chocks
    on all 4 wheels, and he *still* would've scraped the side of his car on
    my front bumper, and only by threatening to make Beeg Trouble for Moose
    and Squirrel, did I get that dropped to f'n *0*%.

    So unless you plan on leaving the keys in an unlocked car, or tossing
    lit cigarettes onto the carpet, you can drop all but basic liability and
    save some big bux.

    Looks -- sporty-ish. Not necessarily a sports car, but something with a BM>bit of pizzazz. Colour not overly important.

    Wellp, nowadays pretty much *every* car looks as if it were a candybar
    left to melt out in a summer sun.

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  • From BARRY MARTIN@454:3/105 to GENE KWIECINSKI on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 08:49:00
    Hi Gene!

    [Back from visiting my parents.]

    Valid questions, and I've considered those too. Figuring if there's an
    eHarmony-type of site (referencing an earlier reply) it would ask those
    questions.
    Btfoom. Last time I bought a car was 21yrs ago... Dunno if
    Algore invented The Interweb yet, back then.

    I think he was in process of putting the pieces together. <g>

    Price -- under $10,000, and that limit is linked to the monthly
    payments, so this one is in the important category.
    Btfoom2. I paid it off in one shot. Even today, would refuse
    any kind of financing. If financed, they make you keep *full*
    coverage on the car, vs being able to drop everything but
    liability for an older car. And that can be a huge chunk o'
    change which I bet you didn't even think of 'til I just mentioned
    it.

    True -- the financing people want to be sure their rumps are covered. So
    if done the 'traditional way' one not only gets hit with the charges on borrowing money but for have to pay the insurance company for coverage
    not normally needed.

    And while there's nothing you can do about fire'n'theft (uhh,
    keep a fire-extinguisher in your car, and get a good alarm and
    engine disabler), you *can* do something about collision. Not
    carrying collision doesn't mean you don't get anything should you
    get into a crash, it just means your own insco doesn't get
    involved and you gotta duke it out with the other guy's insco
    yourself. And that ain't all that bad, as you *can* fight them
    every step of the way in case they try to stick you with all/most
    fault. They want a quick settlement, but make enough noise, and
    they *will* "haggle" just to get you to go away.

    The squeeky wheel gets the oil. ...Sort of with my little fight with
    Qwest when my DSL would cut out. "It's your computer, reboot." "It's
    your firewall." "It's your telephone equipment." "It's..." Ended up
    being their equipment at the Central Office. Took me 6 mos.-plus, but
    they finally corrected their problem.

    So unless you plan on leaving the keys in an unlocked car, or
    tossing lit cigarettes onto the carpet, you can drop all but
    basic liability and save some big bux.

    Right.

    Looks -- sporty-ish. Not necessarily a sports car, but something with a
    bit of pizzazz. Colour not overly important.
    Wellp, nowadays pretty much *every* car looks as if it were a
    candybar left to melt out in a summer sun.

    They do look pretty much alike....

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  • From GENE KWIECINSKI@454:3/105 to BARRY MARTIN on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 00:32:00
    Btfoom2. I paid it off in one shot. Even today, would refuse
    any kind of financing. If financed, they make you keep *full*
    coverage on the car, vs being able to drop everything but
    liability for an older car. And that can be a huge chunk o'
    change which I bet you didn't even think of 'til I just mentioned
    it.

    True -- the financing people want to be sure their rumps are covered. So BM>if done the 'traditional way' one not only gets hit with the charges on BM>borrowing money but for have to pay the insurance company for coverage BM>not normally needed.

    They want their bux in case the car falls off a cliff, but don't want to
    have to come after *you* to collect, so they get the insco to make good
    on any eventuality. That's a condition of getting the loan/lease.

    Lookit any daytime judge-show. Idiot lets bigger idiot "buy" a car only
    with the payments stretched out over a year or two. Car crokes, second
    idiot sez, "I ain't gots the car no mo', so why should I pay?". Hence,
    the court case... Whoever holds the note on a car-loan wants to make
    sure he gets paid regardless, hence the condition of requiring complete coverage.

    The squeeky wheel gets the oil. ...Sort of with my little fight with BM>Qwest when my DSL would cut out. "It's your computer, reboot." "It's BM>your firewall." "It's your telephone equipment." "It's..." Ended up BM>being their equipment at the Central Office. Took me 6 mos.-plus, but BM>they finally corrected their problem.

    That's why they're called "QWorst"...

    Also why I refuse any 2yr+ contract with any of those idiots. They
    explicitly say that they do *NOT* guarantee any particular uptime or
    ul/dl speeds, so they could be down for a week, or give you transfer
    speeds akin to 56k dialup, and you *can't* tell them to scratch'n'sniff, because you're locked into the contract for the duration.

    Nah. Small diesels get even better mileage than a Prius.
    Contrary to popular (if not almost universal) misconception, the
    Prius is *not* the car with top gas mileage. At highway speeds
    it runs exclusively on its gasoline engine just like any other
    road-rat. Worse, in fact, because it's lugging around all those
    heavy batteries. It shines in stop'n'go city traffic, where it
    recoups energy losses in braking vs burning off that kinetic
    energy as heat. Hell, get the smallest 4-banger you can in a
    light car (vs lugging around 1000lbs in batteries), and live
    happily with the mileage.

    Possibly for my driving the Prius/equivalent would be the car of choice BM>because I usually drive the in the city and rarely on the highway.

    A small diesel might still be the way to go. Imagine you ain't too
    concerned about racing anyone off a stoplight, nor are going to be
    towing anything. One key issue about hybrids is that the batteries are *designed* to be replaced every 5yrs or so *at most* In my car, that'd
    mean 3 or more complete replacements by now. Plus, battery tek is still developing, charging methods will be upgraded (ie, changed), so might
    not be that in 4-5yrs that you'd be able to drop in a direct
    replacement, as the batteries might no longer even be made! And
    different battery chemistry would mean a new charging circuit, etc.

    I like the *idea* of hybrids, but as a practical matter, unless you're
    some rich ecofreak like Ed Begley Jr who can *afford* the latest tek
    (probably would just buy a whole new Prius in 5yrs vs just a battery
    pack), it doesn't make sense. Fleets, too (cabs, gummint, etc.) which
    by law/policy ditch "old" cars after N years, it might also make sense.

    Eg, Disney (ummm, DSNY, Dept of Sanitation) has their inspectors go
    tootling around in Priuses/Prii/whatever. Makes sense with all the
    stop'n'go they do.

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  • From BARRY MARTIN@454:3/105 to GENE KWIECINSKI on Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:30:00
    Subject: Pick'em Site? 1/2 (1/2)

    True -- the financing people want to be sure their rumps are covered. So
    if done the 'traditional way' one not only gets hit with the charges on
    borrowing money but for have to pay the insurance company for coverage
    not normally needed.
    They want their bux in case the car falls off a cliff, but don't
    want to have to come after *you* to collect, so they get the
    insco to make good on any eventuality. That's a condition of
    getting the loan/lease.

    It's going to be able to get the money from a group someone (the insurance company) which has a pool of monies (from the insured clients) than a
    single someone (individual) who has a much smaller amount of money.

    Lookit any daytime judge-show. Idiot lets bigger idiot "buy" a
    car only with the payments stretched out over a year or two. Car
    crokes, second idiot sez, "I ain't gots the car no mo', so why
    should I pay?". Hence, the court case... Whoever holds the note
    on a car-loan wants to make sure he gets paid regardless, hence
    the condition of requiring complete coverage.

    On the one hand it sounds logical - for about one second. <g> "It
    bwoke, I ain't payin' for somethin' I can't use." In reality the
    transaction should have been pay the whole amount and then get the car;
    the seller is doing the buyer a favour by spreading out the payment over
    a period of time.

    The squeeky wheel gets the oil. ...Sort of with my little fight with
    Qwest when my DSL would cut out. "It's your computer, reboot." "It's
    your firewall." "It's your telephone equipment." "It's..." Ended up
    being their equipment at the Central Office. Took me 6 mos.-plus, but
    they finally corrected their problem.
    That's why they're called "QWorst"...

    Wonder if can start calling Mediacom (Cable TV provider) 'Mediocre-com'?!

    Also why I refuse any 2yr+ contract with any of those idiots.
    They explicitly say that they do *NOT* guarantee any particular
    uptime or ul/dl speeds, so they could be down for a week, or give
    you transfer speeds akin to 56k dialup, and you *can't* tell them
    to scratch'n'sniff, because you're locked into the contract for
    the duration.

    Plus they've got a monopoly in the wired market.

    Nah. Small diesels get even better mileage than a Prius.
    <snip>
    Possibly for my driving the Prius/equivalent would be the car of choice
    because I usually drive the in the city and rarely on the highway.
    A small diesel might still be the way to go. Imagine you ain't
    too concerned about racing anyone off a stoplight, nor are going
    to be towing anything.

    Nope. I'd definately crack the shell of that egg placed under the foot (remember the 'accelerate like there was an egg under your foot' saying
    during the gas crisis of the early 70's?) but it wouldn't get scrambled.
    Also never had a need to tow. Well, maybe a couple of times, but
    cheaper in the long run to get someone else to do it.

    One key issue about hybrids is that the
    batteries are *designed* to be replaced every 5yrs or so *at
    most* In my car, that'd mean 3 or more complete replacements by
    now. Plus, battery tek is still developing, charging methods
    will be upgraded (ie, changed), so might not be that in 4-5yrs
    that you'd be able to drop in a direct replacement, as the
    batteries might no longer even be made! And different battery
    chemistry would mean a new charging circuit, etc.

    Oh goodie!

    I like the *idea* of hybrids, but as a practical matter, unless
    you're some rich ecofreak like Ed Begley Jr who can *afford* the
    latest tek (probably would just buy a whole new Prius in 5yrs vs
    just a battery pack), it doesn't make sense. Fleets, too (cabs,
    gummint, etc.) which by law/policy ditch "old" cars after N
    years, it might also make sense.

    With the low miles I drive might be able to get 6 or 7 years out of the
    battery pack, but still is a chunk of change, not to mention the

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