Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that would stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break
anything or have screws left over!
Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that would stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break anything or have screws left over!
Nice job! My gaming rig has started making some odd sounds when the fans kick on. I haven't yet isolated which fan is the actual problem, but once I do, I suspect I'll likely just replace it. I'm curious - did you consider replacing the fans at all or did you just want to fix the ones you have?
esc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that would stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break
anything or have screws left over!
Nice job! My gaming rig has started making some odd sounds when
the fans kick on. I haven't yet isolated which fan is the actual
problem, but once I do, I suspect I'll likely just replace it.
I'm curious - did you consider replacing the fans at all or did
you just want to fix the ones you have?
Well, you snipped it out, but quoting from his opening paragraph... "and so I bought some replacement fans." ... ;-)
Nice job! I remember being in a similar situation with a "homebrew" amd64 server that i inherited. These had metal screws. Servicing the fans helped for a while but i eventually had to replace them. I've broken newer and smaller hardware that has more plastic parts, so i understand the feeling of relief when it still works after reassembly.
esc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Nice job! My gaming rig has started making some odd sounds when the
fans kick on. I haven't yet isolated which fan is the actual problem,
but once I do, I suspect I'll likely just replace it. I'm curious - did you consider replacing the fans at all or did you just want to fix the ones you have?
Re: How far I've come...
By: Bencollver to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jan 23 2023 11:50 am
Nice job! I remember being in a similar situation with a "homebrew" amd6 server that i inherited. These had metal screws. Servicing the fans hel for a while but i eventually had to replace them. I've broken newer and smaller hardware that has more plastic parts, so i understand the feeling relief when it still works after reassembly.
yeah but these fans are the cheapest money can buy. they also run nonstop. if you experience any problems, you should just replace instead of trying to I've been an electronics tech for over 17 years and I used to do RMAs every once in a while. I serviced electronics controls for transmissions and other
I ordered new fans, but they're coming from China and won't be here for
a month. I figured I'd do a dry-run first and see how hard it would be
to take apart this time.
I'll keep the new ones around for when the fans finally fail.
What is the reason for plastic screws? Do they abosrb shock, or deaden vibration? Back in the 90's some hard drive makerd would mount their drived in a frame with rubber bushings.
The worst vibration I ran into was from a game cd that had heavy silk screenin g that was uneven. It worked fine in most cd drives, except for one. Not
sure if that drive was out of spec, but when that cd was inserted, it rumbled like a washing machine with an unbalanced wash load.
Re: How far I've come...
By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Jan 24 2023 12:17 pm
What is the reason for plastic screws? Do they abosrb shock, or deaden vibration? Back in the 90's some hard drive makerd would mount their dri in a frame with rubber bushings.
The worst vibration I ran into was from a game cd that had heavy silk screenin g that was uneven. It worked fine in most cd drives, except for one. Not
sure if that drive was out of spec, but when that cd was inserted, it rumbled like a washing machine with an unbalanced wash load.
it was just to be stupid. they tried all kinds of weird shit.
look at all the weird levers and trays that have always been in dells.
i wouldn't trust a non metal screw, there's a risk they'd snap eventually if someone messed with them enough.
When I worked for ZDS, they had some systems they produced under the internal name of NDL - new design line. This was their attempt make a tool-free or minimal tool system similar to IBM's PS2 cases with interlocvking trays, clips, and friction fit pieces. Anyways, lack of screws and fasteners resulted in cases that could flex, in effect boards and connectors could loosen up over time. The field service bulletins would point out a probelm spotted in the fi eld, then provide the enginering solution. Several of the "solutions" were
to replace plastic clips with screws and tie down loose pieces with zip ties.
I ordered new fans, but they're coming from China and won't be here for
a month...
why didnt you just use amazon
Hello MRO!
** On Tuesday 24.01.23 - 16:27, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:
I ordered new fans, but they're coming from China and won't be here for
a month...
why didnt you just use amazon
It seems that most electronics from A-n *does* come from China,
literally. I ordered a universival smartphone battery charger
not long ago, and paid extra for faster shipping, and the
product is still taking its sweet ol' time being shipped from
China. It too will be about a month in transit.
my experience with engineers is they are generally not brilliant and do not s who just like to tinker around and play but don't produce results.
at my old job we had to hire an old retired engineer to come up with a fix f
Hello MRO!
** On Tuesday 24.01.23 - 16:27, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:
I ordered new fans, but they're coming from China and won't be here for
a month...
why didnt you just use amazon
It seems that most electronics from A-n *does* come from China,
literally. I ordered a universival smartphone battery charger
not long ago, and paid extra for faster shipping, and the
product is still taking its sweet ol' time being shipped from
China. It too will be about a month in transit.
Quoting Ogg to Mro <=-
SNIP
It seems that most electronics from A-n *does* come from China, literally. I ordered a universival smartphone battery charger
not long ago, and paid extra for faster shipping, and the
product is still taking its sweet ol' time being shipped from
China. It too will be about a month in transit.
Azon is a marketplace, and in order to carry A to Z you will run into items made from Chinesium. For example I needed a USB to serial interface, and it arived in a puffy airmail container from a Chinese vendor
Not bashing here, but why is it that everything we use is made in
China?
I try to buy items made in the US. They cost more but the
the solonoid and main fuse (which i couldnt get ANYWHERE else) were from china and had 2 week wait time. i got it in 3 days. -+-
Not bashing here, but why is it that everything we use is made in
China? I try to buy items made in the US. They cost more but the investment is worth it (IMO).
Hello MRO!
the solonoid and main fuse (which i couldnt get ANYWHERE else) were from china and had 2 week wait time. i got it in 3 days. -+-
You probably got lucky with a domestic shipment.
Quoting Ogg to Mro <=-
SNIP
It seems that most electronics from A-n *does* come from China, literally. I ordered a universival smartphone battery charger
not long ago, and paid extra for faster shipping, and the
product is still taking its sweet ol' time being shipped from
China. It too will be about a month in transit.
Not bashing here, but why is it that everything we use is made in
China? I try to buy items made in the US. They cost more but the investment is worth it (IMO).
Cougar
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Re: How far I've come...
By: Cougar428 to OGG on Thu Jan 26 2023 06:46 am
Not bashing here, but why is it that everything we use is made in
China?
lookup the chinese industrial revolution.
look at how the take over steel, concrete, pork bellies, etc.
they live, we sleep
I try to buy items made in the US. They cost more but the
you're literally buying chinese shit and it's branded as american under some
operation in the usa.
I've worked in manufacturing for 28 years and I have a lot of experience wit price. they could not do it correctly 75% of the time. they sure sent nice
I've seen it all and i've worked for the big names. You would be surprised. you are NOT buying american.
china does it better. my former company tried for almola
st 10 years to have an american made company make something simple with no
for a decent price.
During Christmas time the stores sell these big tin's of cookies from Scandinavian countries. I lokoed at the small print and one said, "packaged in Denmark." The cookies and tins were made in China, Vietnam, or the Phillipines, then sent to Denmark to be packed in order to be a product of Denmark.
china does it better. my former company tried for almola
st 10 years to have an american made company make something simple with no
for a decent price.
It is difficult to make something of the same quality at the same price point when the entity you are competing against pays their employees so
much less and can also use slave labor from the re-education camps.
Vietnam, or the Phillipines, then sent to Denmark to be packed in order to be a product of Denmark.
I wonder how those cookies stay fresh, being shipped all around the world like that.
Re: How far I've come...
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jan 26 2023 11:43 am
During Christmas time the stores sell these big tin's of cookies from Scandinavian countries. I lokoed at the small print and one said, "packaged in Denmark." The cookies and tins were made in China, Vietnam or the Phillipines, then sent to Denmark to be packed in order to be a product of Denmark.
I wonder how those cookies stay fresh, being shipped all around the world li
And that reminds me of my car.. My car was assembled in Germany, but I foun here to the US where it was sold. And apparently it was still profitable to
Nightfox
electronics are done better. INDIA, i do not trust. china is just better at everything. everyone snoozed and losed.
Re: How far I've come...
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Jan 26 2023 14:19:10
Modern supply chains are notorious for being extremely complex and fractured. Every part of the product making is made in a completely different country. A famous example is the "Grown in Argentina, packaged in Thailand beans thing that appeared a year ago. Honestly this approach seems inefficent considering transporation costs (altrough you could argue that do it being shipped in bulk, invalidates the costs).
Re: How far I've come...
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 26 2023 08:47 pm
electronics are done better. INDIA, i do not trust. china is just better at everything. everyone snoozed and losed.
One thing is probably population. China has 1.412 billion people (vs. 331.9 million in the US) - China just has so many more people that can go into a particular field in the workforce and develop methods to manufacture things. And just the sheer number of people who could be available for manufacturing jobs is higher than many other countries.
Re: How far I've come...
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Jan 26 2023 04:32 pm
china does it better. my former company tried for almola
st 10 years to have an american made company make something simple with
for a decent price.
It is difficult to make something of the same quality at the same price point when the entity you are competing against pays their employees so much less and can also use slave labor from the re-education camps.
i'm not even sure that what we say about china is right anymore.
it could just be propaganda.
some companies here in the usa don't pay people enough. the other day i saw
I don't think we're at the point where china makes cheap junk.
personally i have seen it better and cheaper from china. american companies o not trust. china is just better at everything.
everyone snoozed and losed.
I don't think we're at the point where china makes cheap junk.
It is difficult to make something of the same quality at the same price>point when the entity you are competing against pays their employees so
Commenting on all the messages referring to China, not just this one, China have a different attitude than we do about business. A company will run at a loss for 10 or 20 years until they put all the competition out of businessnd
then they raise their prices to make a profit. Western countries do not plan that far in advance. They want immediate profits.
So many foreigner countries helped the Chinesse build their industry
to produce merchandise up to European and American standards that at
some point they realized they could use that infrastructure and
experience to produce it themselves. If an European clock manufacturer funds a clock factory in china, and sends an European foreman to
oversee the production of watches, you will find that factory produces watches under a Chinesse brand when the foreman is not looking, using European standards and the toolchains the Europeans bought for them. It happens in Morocco all the time too.
So many foreigner countries helped the Chinesse build their industry to produce merchandise up to European and American standards that at some point
Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
It's probably packed in nitrogen and shipped priority shipping or by
air. From there it is packed in airtight tins and sealed.
Commenting on all the messages referring to China, not just this one, China have a different attitude than we do about business. A company will run at a loss for 10 or 20 years until they put all the competition out of business and then they raise their prices to make a profit. Western countries do not plan that far in advance. They want immediate profits.
Wages are not that low in China. Just checking the most recent figures say the average worker there makes just over $54,000 (US) a year, not exactly slave labour.
Ironically, they will also mechanize a plant to make more products using fewer workers to increase the potential profits where Unions here would never stand for that.
It's hard to compete with that sort of mentality.
I agree that the US (and maybe Western in general) attitude and practices are also a problem.
I just bought a new espresso machine, so I'm buying fresh beans instead
of ground.
It's interesting seeing the variety of roasting dates on store-bought coffees. Some of the coffee beans packed in nitrogen have pull dates a
year or two from now!
I'm spoiled. I have a handful of local roasters and I can get beans
roasted a couple of days ago.
I worked for a plastics company that opened a factory in China and
helped them with setting up the factory for quality control and all
the processes which were already in effect at US plants. So
basically we gave them everything they needed to get started as
competition. (if they needed it to begin with)
Wages are not that low in China. Just checking the most recent figures say the average worker there makes just over $54,000 (US) a year, not exactly slave labour.
there's a lot of racism and propaganda that gives us the wrong view of china.
Because American workers won't work 12 hour days for chump change and a bowlQuoting Ogg to Mro <=-
It is difficult to make something of the same quality at the same price>point when the entity you are competing against pays their employees so
>much less and can also use slave labor from the re-education camps.
Commenting on all the messages referring to China, not just this one, China have a different attitude than we do about business. A company will run at a loss for 10 or 20 years until they put all the competition out of business a then they raise their prices to make a profit. Western countries do not plan that far in advance. They want immediate profits.
Wages are not that low in China. Just checking the most recent figures say the average worker there makes just over $54,000 (US) a year, not exactly slave labour.
They do work efficiently.. I recall years back, probably when wages were qui a bit lower there, a big US manufacturer of sporting goods was making footba helmets in the USA. But, they were shipping the helmets to China to have the mouth guards attached, and then shipping them back since that was cheaper th doing it in the USA.
Also, the Chinese gov't hates paying people to do nothing. They will keep a factory operating that is failing miserably, and then dump the products on foreign markets at ridiculously low prices, rather than let the company shut down.
Ironically, they will also mechanize a plant to make more products using few workers to increase the potential profits where Unions here would never stan for that.
It's hard to compete with that sort of mentality.
Re: How far I've come...
By: Arelor to MRO on Sat Jan 28 2023 07:15 am
So many foreigner countries helped the Chinesse build their industry to produce merchandise up to European and American standards that at some po
They learn from their mistakes;they copy their competitors and then they do are in their company, but i'm sure they were all high lvl engineers. They ev
China is #1 in the steel industry and they have been for a while.
They are not stupid and they are in it to win it.
Almost every other country is slow and stupid.
Re: How far I've come...
By: Rob Mccart to DUMAS WALKER on Sat Jan 28 2023 12:48 am
Commenting on all the messages referring to China, not just this one, Chi have a different attitude than we do about business. A company will run a loss for 10 or 20 years until they put all the competition out of busines and then they raise their prices to make a profit. Western countries do n plan that far in advance. They want immediate profits.
A lot of american manufacturing companies live hand to mouth. Some even take
They didn't give a shit about a year from now. They wanted to make as much
Wages are not that low in China. Just checking the most recent figures sa the average worker there makes just over $54,000 (US) a year, not exactly slave labour.
there's a lot of racism and propaganda that gives us the wrong view of china
Ironically, they will also mechanize a plant to make more products using fewer workers to increase the potential profits where Unions here would never stand for that.
unions in the usa are not what they used to be. There are a lot of right to ue to the other union nuances, especially in pay. You can be stuck in a job
It's hard to compete with that sort of mentality.
They adopted a winning mentality. And it was behind the backs of regular peo
That is true, but they also do have some slave labor there. China is not
at all nice to their minority groups. Look up Ughyrs (sp?) for some idea
as to how they treat non-Han peoples.
Because American workers won't work 12 hour days for chump change and a bowl
of ramen noodles, or stand still for constant government surveillance.
My father used to work for Clark Equipment, and he recalled a tour went through of Japanese tourists. This was in the mid to late 60's and security was lax on what they took pictures of. There were proprietary practices on ho w they drilled and inlettted axles, and let them take pictures of the process.
There was guy they called Tex, who lied about his age to join the Marines in WWII. The guy was 15 or 16 when he enlisted. He was running a drill press, and kept staring at one of the engineers/ tourists. He walked up to the guy a nd asked him if his father served in the war, and if he survived. The Japanese guy said his father served, and survived. Tex then says he could've sworn he killed the guys father. That sounded like something he would say.
i heard stories of this guy getting pissed off at the engineers or management, walked off the job and went to the bar to get drunk, then come in the next day like nothing had happened. I'm amazed they were so tolerant.
I worked for a plastics company that opened a factory in China and
helped them with setting up the factory for quality control and all
the processes which were already in effect at US plants. So
basically we gave them everything they needed to get started as competition. (if they needed it to begin with)
Something similar happened in Japan after WWII. Their factories got
rebuilt with better state-of-the-art stuff while the US factories did not get upgraded. They also listened to Demming where American companies would not.
* SLMR 2.1a * Do unto others BEFORE they do unto YOU.
Wages are not that low in China. Just checking the most recent figures the average worker there makes just over $54,000 (US) a year, not exact slave labour.
there's a lot of racism and propaganda that gives us the wrong view of chi
That is true, but they also do have some slave labor there. China is not
at all nice to their minority groups. Look up Ughyrs (sp?) for some idea
as to how they treat non-Han peoples.
* SLMR 2.1a * Energize! said Picard....and this pink bunny appeared...
Re: How far I've come...
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Jan 29 2023 01:27 pm
My father used to work for Clark Equipment, and he recalled a tour went through of Japanese tourists. This was in the mid to late 60's and secur was lax on what they took pictures of. There were proprietary practices ho w they drilled and inlettted axles, and let them take pictures of the process.
that is so stupid that they allowed that.
There was guy they called Tex, who lied about his age to join the Marines WWII. The guy was 15 or 16 when he enlisted. He was running a drill pre and kept staring at one of the engineers/ tourists. He walked up to the a nd asked him if his father served in the war, and if he survived. The Japanese guy said his father served, and survived. Tex then says he could've sworn he killed the guys father. That sounded like something he would say.
i heard stories of this guy getting pissed off at the engineers or management, walked off the job and went to the bar to get drunk, then com in the next day like nothing had happened. I'm amazed they were so tolerant.
the japanese were ruthless people who starved and tortured their captives. There was no love for them.
Quoting Ogg to Mro <=-Because American workers won't work 12 hour days for chump change and
a bowl of ramen noodles, or stand still for constant government surveillance. And American consumers are as much to blame....they'll
pay 2 grand for an Apple iPhone thats designed in Cupertino, and
assembled in Flungdung by a girl who's supporting herself and her aged parents on 3 bucks an hour. How I wish we COULD "Buy American". (sighhhh..)
unions in the usa are not what they used to be. There are a lot of right to>k states and that just doesn't work with a union structure. people dont have
That is true, but they also do have some slave labor there. China is not at all nice to their minority groups. Look up Ughyrs (sp?) for some idea as to how they treat non-Han peoples.
if china does not like a specific ethnic group, they pull no punches.
but i've had experience with the hmong in wisconsin, and from my own personal perience, most of those people are just bad news.
similar in strength to those for Car Makers and such. I had some 'bad habits'.. I was spending a Lot of money building up a muscle car (575 HP Chevelle SS) and a custom Triumph Bonneville motorcycle so I needed as much income as possible. The best way to get called first for extra hours when someone didn't show up was to be a very hard worker.. Long story short, I was good enough that I earned a merit raise, the first one in the company in 15 years, for breaking company production records.. This earned me about 35% more money than others
in my situation, and led to me being cornered one night in a remote staircase and threatened by the local union rep. for making everyone else 'look bad'..
I told him to get stuffed but after that I had very little use for unions.
Admittedly, at one time, they were needed and in some places they maybe still are, but I always found that hard workers are difficult to find so most companies take pretty good care to keep them happy because there are
In this case, it is also because they are Muslim and have not given up
their religion for the state.
but i've had experience with the hmong in wisconsin, and from my own personal perience, most of those people are just bad news.
Are the Hmong from China, or from SE Asia/Vietnam?
Admittedly, at one time, they were needed and in some places they maybe still are, but I always found that hard workers are difficult to find so most companies take pretty good care to keep them happy because there are always other offers out there.
Re: How far I've come...
By: Cougar428 to TED LONG on Mon Jan 30 2023 03:42 pm
Most of the automotive PIC's and PLA's that used to be made in US silico ua and Beijing, right next to the Intel CPU plants.
Most of the RF and analog chips formerly made in the states by National from a nation led by one of the looniest dictators in the world. If Kim Jung older military tech gonna come from?
IMHO, the Chips Act is 20 years too late.
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unions in the usa are not what they used to be. There are a lot of right>k states and that just doesn't work with a union structure. people dont h
>join the union but they have to be protected by it. in this structure pe
>e held back due to the other union nuances, especially in pay. You can b
> in a job for 5 years before you make 2 dollars more.
My first long term job, part time while in school working at a grocery store taught me all I needed to know about unions. They have a union similar in strength to those for Car Makers and such. I had some 'bad habits'.. I was spending a Lot of money building up a muscle car (575 HP Chevelle SS) and a custom Triumph Bonneville motorcycle so I needed as much income as possible. The best way to get called first for extra hours when someone didn't show up was to be a very hard worker.. Long story short, I was good enough that I earned a merit raise, the first one in the company in 15 years, for breaking company production records.. This earned me about 35% more money than others in my situation, and led to me being cornered one night in a remote staircas and threatened by the local union rep. for making everyone else 'look bad'.. I told him to get stuffed but after that I had very little use for unions.
Admittedly, at one time, they were needed and in some places they maybe still are, but I always found that hard workers are difficult to find so most companies take pretty good care to keep them happy because there are always other offers out there.
Re: How far I've come...
By: Rob Mccart to MRO on Mon Jan 30 2023 12:53 am
similar in strength to those for Car Makers and such. I had some 'bad habits'.. I was spending a Lot of money building up a muscle car (575 HP Chevelle SS) and a custom Triumph Bonneville motorcycle so I needed as mu income as possible. The best way to get called first for extra hours when someone didn't show up was to be a very hard worker.. Long story short, I was good enough that I earned a merit raise, the first one in the company 15 years, for breaking company production records.. This earned me about more money than others
in my situation, and led to me being cornered one night in a remote staircase and threatened by the local union rep. for making everyone else 'look bad'..
I told him to get stuffed but after that I had very little use for unions
Admittedly, at one time, they were needed and in some places they maybe still are, but I always found that hard workers are difficult to find so most companies take pretty good care to keep them happy because there are
i dont know where unions are still required. we have osha, we have the depa ed to threaten to strike for every little thing. each time the contract was
i've been told not to sweep when i have nothing to do. i was told to drink a t hold people back now.
Re: How far I've come...
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon Jan 30 2023 04:27 pm
In this case, it is also because they are Muslim and have not given up their religion for the state.
but i've had experience with the hmong in wisconsin, and from my own personal perience, most of those people are just bad news.
Are the Hmong from China, or from SE Asia/Vietnam?
i think the ones that fled here to the usa are from china.
internet sez "The Hmong people are an indigenous group in East and Southeas uch as Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, and Myanmar. "
they are basically a people with no country. the chinese hate them and use
In wisconsin theres's a lot on welfare and there's a lot of gangs where they
I've worked with some of them and they are very hard workers. they have very
The country also restricts travel from one province to another to regluate>jobs and commerce. This ia a way to keep farmers' families in farming, so
Yes, there's no question it's a lousy place to live. That's why so many wealthy Chinese move to the USA and Canada. Way too much government
control over everything there.. The only unusual thing there, being a communist country, is that they do seem to have a middle class. Usually
there is a tiny percentage of very rich people and the rest are all
super poor.
I think the ones who are loyal to the party can make a good living. That>is how it used to work in the USSR. Are the ones that "move" to Canada
Admittedly, at one time, they were needed and in some places they maybe> still are, but I always found that hard workers are difficult to find so
To put it in terms a Communist would understand, the power Unions hold comes>from maintaining the monopoly of workforce supply. If enough workers could
Admittedly, at one time, they were needed and in some places they maybe> still are, but I always found that hard workers are difficult to find so
I worked at a salaried job, then the plant shut down and relocated the repair>service department to the main plant. The main plant was a "closed shop"
At first we thought being unionized was repressive, but later on we saw how m>ch certain supervisiors would try to make up conflicting policies depending
No expert but I'd have to think that someone from China could immigrate here as easily as anyone else. It might take a while, as there are huge numbers of people that want to come to Canada (at least until they find out about the weather.. Ha!) but I'd assume many coming from China would be wealthy which probably helps the situation. But that's for a full time move. If they wanted to still return to their own country at times then they would probably be restricted to no more than 6 months at a time in Canada.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's a complex issue. Non-union places mainly only survive because they directly compete with Union places. If they pay less or have terrible working conditions, their workers will go elsewhere. Granted it's much better these days because of half decent minimum wages and safety conditions pretty much guaranteed by basic government rules.
he said that it's fairly nice there.. if you have money. But the average person there barely scrapes by. He mentioned the owner of a butcher shop that he bought from told him once, when complimented on the meat, that he tries to make it the best he can but couldn't comment much on it because
he couldn't afford to shop in his own store.
from other countries lived, and there was a high brick wall around the
whole area that was patrolled by hired soldiers with automatic weapons
24 hours a day.
That, and the fact that China is a communist country, might be where I got the idea that they could not immigrate permanently. I had heard that Chinese buy condos in BC and then rent them cheap during the seasons they are not there because they cannot stay. So I think that is where I got the idea that none of them could stay. Thanks!
Quoting Rob Mccart to Moondog <=-
Often management is a victim of the "Peter Principal.
There are a couple of definitions of that but the one I refer to is
that a person will rise in a company to just beyond the level of their competence, suggesting Most managers are incompetent at their jobs.
Not trying to be contentious, but instead of watching and talking
about the situation - is there something you would do differenty if
you were the one in charge?
In a lot of places, what I would see is people sitting on the
sidelines complaining about how the business was being managed, but
never really stepping up to try and change things in a better way.
>> here as easily as anyone else. If they wanted to still return toNo expert but I'd have to think that someone from China could immigrate
That, and the fact that China is a communist country, might be where I got>the idea that they could not immigrate permanently.
I had heard that Chinese buy condos in BC and then rent them cheap>during the seasons they are not there because they cannot stay.
> > directly compete with Union places. If they pay less or have terribleIt's a complex issue. Non-union places mainly only survive because they
are you talking about canada or other countries? i'm in the usa and i dont se>ny non union places only surviving because they directly compete with unions.
and regarding minimum wage, i only see that in non skilled jobs that>many adults wouldn't even take.
> > person there barely scrapes by. He mentioned the owner of a butcher shophe said that it's fairly nice there.. if you have money. But the average
oh i'm sure that's a cultural thing were he's acting humble. i'm sure he>has the pick of whatever he wants.
That, and the fact that China is a communist country, might be where I got>the idea that they could not immigrate permanently.
Well, think of all the people who have moved to Canada and the USA from Russia
or Cuba. I'd imagine most of them that want to move premanently are doing so because they don't like the system they are fleeing from and, even if that's not the case, they will likely have a big problem trying to convert us to their Commie ways.. B)
In a lot of cases it is wealthy people there looking for places to invest money they've managed to hide from their government where there's a good chance the places will go up in price. The limits on how long they can
stay would likely be based on if they want to immigrate permanently and
the hassle of the waiting period until they could get permission to move
here if they do. I expect the super rich in China have a better time of things than the average people there (think of Russian Oligarchs) and, although they may want to take advantage of things in the more 'free' countries, they may not have any desire to move here permanently, plus
they may have a major problem getting much more than a tiny percentage
of all their $Billions out of their home country..
that's not the case, they will likely have a big problem trying to convert us to their Commie ways.. B)
Cuba is another country I didn't think you were able to permanently leave without fleeing. I know that used to be true. If they are able to leave and are moving to Canada (and for the reasons we suspect), that is great!
>> here as easily as anyone else. If they wanted to still return toNo expert but I'd have to think that someone from China could immigrate
>> their own country at times then they would probably be restricted
>> to no more than 6 months at a time in Canada.
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That, and the fact that China is a communist country, might be where I go>the idea that they could not immigrate permanently.
Well, think of all the people who have moved to Canada and the USA from Russ or Cuba. I'd imagine most of them that want to move premanently are doing so because they don't like the system they are fleeing from and, even if that's not the case, they will likely have a big problem trying to convert us to their Commie ways.. B)
I had heard that Chinese buy condos in BC and then rent them cheap>during the seasons they are not there because they cannot stay.
>So I think that is where I got the idea that none of them could stay.
In a lot of cases it is wealthy people there looking for places to invest money they've managed to hide from their government where there's a good chance the places will go up in price. The limits on how long they can
stay would likely be based on if they want to immigrate permanently and
the hassle of the waiting period until they could get permission to move here if they do. I expect the super rich in China have a better time of things than the average people there (think of Russian Oligarchs) and, although they may want to take advantage of things in the more 'free' countries, they may not have any desire to move here permanently, plus
they may have a major problem getting much more than a tiny percentage
of all their $Billions out of their home country..
Often management is a victim of the "Peter Principal.> There are a couple of definitions of that but the one I refer to is
Not trying to be contentious, but instead of watching and talking>about the situation - is there something you would do differenty if
In a lot of places, what I would see is people sitting on the>sidelines complaining about how the business was being managed, but
>> or Cuba. I'd imagine most of them that want to move premanently are doing sWell, think of all the people who have moved to Canada and the USA from Rus
Cuba is another country I didn't think you were able to permanently leave>without fleeing. I know that used to be true. If they are able to leave
Quoting Rob Mccart to Cougar428 <=-
Not trying to be contentious, but instead of watching and talking
about the situation - is there something you would do differenty if
you were the one in charge?
In a lot of places, what I would see is people sitting on the
sidelines complaining about how the business was being managed, but
never really stepping up to try and change things in a better way.
Have you ever tried to tell your boss that he's doing something wrong?
And the problem with incompetent bosses is they are paranoid about
losing their jobs so they will either ignore you, tell you to shut up,
or try to get rid of you in case higher-ups realize there is someone smarter than them available to do the job.
I say all that with a smile. I didn't intend for it to sound confrontatonal with you since I agree with your basic idea.
I told him to leave it to me and I'd find a way, and he did that
rather than trying to micro-manage how I did the work. I did manage it, basically doing about 8 or 10 hours of production in 5 hours.
In the end I stopped working for other people by the time I was 32. If
you are your own boss you only have to answer to the customers and, in most of the jobs I did, my customers actually paid me more than I asked for so that I would be readily available for them when they needed me again.
I told him to leave it to me and I'd find a way, and he did that> rather than trying to micro-manage how I did the work. I did manage it,
Sounds like you came through with the goods! That's great as long>as they don't expect you to do more with less as a rule of thumb.
I've gotten bitten by that dog a number of times. The boss sounds>like he trusted his people.
In the end I stopped working for other people by the time I was 32.>be.
Now there's the ticket! I wish I was as resourceful as you seem to
most of the jobs I did, my customers actually paid me more than I asked for so that I would be readily available for them when they needed me again.
Now there's the ticket! I wish I was as resourceful as you seem to
be. Thanks for the reply!
I told him to leave it to me and I'd find a way, and he did that> rather than trying to micro-manage how I did the work. I did manage it,
> basically doing about 8 or 10 hours of production in 5 hours.
Sounds like you came through with the goods! That's great as long>as they don't expect you to do more with less as a rule of thumb.
Yes, I think he was so amazed he decided not to question how I did it.
I definitely wouldn't want to do that too often, nor could a lot of people if I'm being honest. The speed up involved things like ignoring the
company policy of not lifting more than 70 lbs when dumping materials
into a large mixer we used. That day I was working with up to 175 lbs.
Sounds like you came through with the goods! That's great as long>as they don't expect you to do more with less as a rule of thumb.
Yes, I think he was so amazed he decided not to question how I did it.>I definitely wouldn't want to do that too often, nor could a lot of people
what type of job was this? was this manufacturing where you were not>showing up for the entire day and they accepted that?
most of the jobs I did, my customers actually paid me more than I asked> for so that I would be readily available for them when they needed me
Now there's the ticket! I wish I was as resourceful as you seem to be.>than what he asked for.
yeah he's really lucky. it's hard to believe that customers paid him more
Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that would stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break
anything or have screws left over!
calcmandan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that would stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break
anything or have screws left over!
I know the feeling, my old workhorse laptop from twelve years ago had
the same problem with the CPU fan. Then it happened to my firewall box. Then it happened to my cloud server. Then...
Feels good doesn't it.
calcmandan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that would stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break anything or have screws left over!
I know the feeling, my old workhorse laptop from twelve years ago had the same problem with the CPU fan. Then it happened to my firewall box. Then it happened to my cloud server. Then...
Feels good doesn't it.
It feels good not tossing out old hardware; old hardware, with a little
bit of maintenance here and there seems to last longer.
more energy consumption. it's better to get rid of the old shit
and slim it all down.
Re: Re: How far I've come...
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 26 2023 06:46 pm
more energy consumption. it's better to get rid of the old shit
and slim it all down.
You'd be surprised sometimes.
If your computers work under medium to heavy load, there is a point past which it makes a lot of sense to ditch old hardware and replace it with new one. However, under lightweight load, it would take ages to save enough power to justify replacing an old computer worth 40 bucks for one worth 200.
Re: Re: How far I've come...
By: poindexter FORTRAN to calcmandan on Sun Feb 26 2023 07:56 am
calcmandan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that wo stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break anything or have screws left over!
I know the feeling, my old workhorse laptop from twelve years ago ha the same problem with the CPU fan. Then it happened to my firewall b Then it happened to my cloud server. Then...
Feels good doesn't it.
It feels good not tossing out old hardware; old hardware, with a little bit of maintenance here and there seems to last longer.
more energy consumption. it's better to get rid of the old shit
and slim it all down.
Re: How far I've come...
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 26 2023 08:47 pm
I don't think we're at the point where china makes cheap junk.
Pretty much this.
China used to be the laughting stock of the world, selling cheap junk which was
good for barely anything. They aren't anymore.
So many foreigner countries helped the Chinesse build their industry to produce
merchandise up to European and American standards that at some point they realized they could use that infrastructure and experience to produce it themselves. If an European clock manufacturer funds a clock factory in china, and sends an European foreman to oversee the production of watches, you will find that factory produces watches under a Chinesse brand when the foreman is not looking, using European standards and the toolchains the Europeans bought for them. It happens in Morocco all the time too.
A contruction engineer I know used to warn us in the early 2010s. "Chinesse construction steel is no longer total junk. They are starting to show up with quality stuff."
--Japan was like that in the 60-70's. Cheap copies everywhere, and in the 80's they managed to surpass the West in a lot of places.
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On 2023-01-28, Arelor <PALANT!Arelor@vert.synchro.net> wrote:
Re: How far I've come...
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 26 2023 08:47 pm
I don't think we're at the point where china makes cheap junk.
Pretty much this.
China used to be the laughting stock of the world, selling cheap junk whic good for barely anything. They aren't anymore.
So many foreigner countries helped the Chinesse build their industry to pr merchandise up to European and American standards that at some point they realized they could use that infrastructure and experience to produce it themselves. If an European clock manufacturer funds a clock factory in chi and sends an European foreman to oversee the production of watches, you wi find that factory produces watches under a Chinesse brand when the foreman not looking, using European standards and the toolchains the Europeans bou for them. It happens in Morocco all the time too.
A contruction engineer I know used to warn us in the early 2010s. "Chiness construction steel is no longer total junk. They are starting to show up w quality stuff."
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---Japan was like that in the 60-70's. Cheap copies everywhere, and in the 80's they managed to surpass the West in a lot of places.
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