• [ANSI] Trump or Harris?

    From halian@VERT/ABINARY to Dumas Walker on Thursday, August 08, 2024 13:56:00
    Yes, it's clearly his voice and not "Vaccines cause autism",

    There is that.

    Andrew Wakefield was struck from the medical register (UK equivalent of being stripped of his medical license) for his involvement in the /The Lancet/ MMR autism fraud. As an autistic person, I abjectly and categorically refuse to even consider forgetting what that human-shaped sack of hateful excrement has done to us.

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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to MRO on Thursday, August 08, 2024 14:04:00
    America is uniqe place in the world, and the entire country is right leaning.

    Why do you think this? it is very wrong.

    [citation needed]

    The Democratic Party is center to center-right by the standards of the rest of the developed world.

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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to Bf2k+ on Thursday, August 08, 2024 14:06:00
    Already in the white house with an administration that is helping the economy. She can keep some of those people if she wants.

    Helping the economy??? What planet are you talking about here? Biden/Har destroyed the economy.

    Trump gas = $1.80/gal
    Biden gas = $3.60/gal

    That's all you need to know about what destroyed the economy. Gas goes up. everything else goes up. Jeez...

    Neither OPEC nor the supermajor oil companies are POTUS' slaves. @_@ Everyone knows that the world isn't that simplistic.

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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to MRO on Thursday, August 08, 2024 14:14:00
    That's all you need to know about what destroyed the economy. Gas up... everything else goes up. Jeez...

    i worked in the energy industry for 17 years. everything is related oil and natural gas. everything eventually is affected by the chang the industry. every single thing.

    Exactly! I can't for the life of me understand why people can't see the reality of this.

    people are taught lies and they are taught to be ignorant at a young age. I'm in my late 40s and I was told everythin can run and should run on sola that's impossible.

    People are taught lies and they are taught to be ignorant at all ages. Solar can't provide 100% of our energy needs as long as clouds exist. That's why we have to supplement it with wind, etc.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to halian on Thursday, August 08, 2024 15:24:00
    halian wrote to MRO <=-

    People are taught lies and they are taught to be ignorant at all ages.

    You are living proof of this, for sure.

    Solar can't provide 100% of our energy needs as long as clouds exist.

    Well then as a good little brainwashed libtard, WHY ARE YOU NOT
    DEMANDING THE IMMEDIATE REMOVAL OF ALL CLOUDS?

    That's why we have to supplement it with wind, etc.

    The best solution (seriously) is Nuclear, and has been for decades.
    Ignorance and fear are why we are where we are today, in regards to
    energy and environment.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to halian on Thursday, August 08, 2024 16:16:00
    Re: [ANSI] Trump or Harris?
    By: halian to MRO on Thu Aug 08 2024 02:04 pm

    America is uniqe place in the world, and the entire country is right leaning.

    Why do you think this? it is very wrong.

    [citation needed]


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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to MRO on Friday, August 09, 2024 16:21:00
    America is uniqe place in the world, and the entire country is leaning.

    Why do you think this? it is very wrong.

    [citation needed]


    fuck youuuu

    No thanks; I'm ace.

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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to Neofree on Friday, August 09, 2024 16:23:00
    But also so far, I have been basically treated like an idiot for supportin Harris. Is there not a single person who may understand or agree? If the isn't then this Debate forum isn't a debate forum at all and should be ren Thanks

    Hi, I'm "not a single person". :(

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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to Denn on Friday, August 09, 2024 17:22:00
    Trump gas = $1.80/gal
    Biden gas = $3.60/gal

    These are facts? No they are not. I paid more than $3.60 of gas durin Trump administration when COVID hit.

    No you didn't! even with Covid under Trump it never reached $3.00.

    Ah yes, because you know more about Neofree's lived experience than Neofree themself.

    You do remember that COVID hit under
    Trump's term right? You do realize all the problems Trump caused make Biden look bad because Trump's policies didn't actually really start taking effect until after Biden was in office.

    Lol, NO! Biden caused his own problems by reversing everything Trump did f the ecconomy.

    False. Trump's tax cuts disproportionately negatively affected the lower & middle class, with the bottom 60 percent of households receiving an average tax cut of $500 in 2025 under them, compared to more than $60k for the top 1 percent. His tax cuts, on top of Bush's from 2001 and 2003 (most of which were made permanent in 2012), have eroded the US' revenue base from 19.5% of GDP at the turn of the XXI c. to 16.3% in the years immediately following them.

    The promised "very conservatively" estimated $4,000 boost in household
    income from the cutting of the corporate tax rate failed (or perhaps refused) to manifest for workers who earned less than $114k in 2016, while top executive salaries skyrocketed. Not even the 20% pass-through deduction, which was skewed in favor of wealthy business owners, has helped out workers in those businesses. Like every attempt before it, trickle-down economics have thoroughly and resoundingly failed.

    (Source: https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-
    skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver)

    Furthermore, the Trump tax cuts also:

    - Removed the ability to deduct a casualty loss, unless it's in a federally-declared disaster area.
    - Removed the ability to deduct employment-related moving expenses, unless it's for active-duty military service.
    - Taxed survivors' benefits allocated to the children of a dead servicemember as through the children were a trust or estate.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to halian on Saturday, August 10, 2024 08:22:00
    Re: [ANSI] Trump or Harris?
    By: halian to Denn on Fri Aug 09 2024 05:22 pm

    These are facts? No they are not. I paid more than $3.60 of gas
    durin Trump administration when COVID hit.

    No you didn't! even with Covid under Trump it never reached $3.00.

    Ah yes, because you know more about Neofree's lived experience than Neofree themself.

    I posted the prices of gas timeline, Gas did'nt reach 3.00 a gallon until May of Bidens 1st year in office.
    Biden imeadiatly did shut down pipelines, fracking, offshore oil and most oil production in the US and started buying oil from other countries.

    Lol, NO! Biden caused his own problems by reversing everything Trump
    did f the ecconomy.

    False. Trump's tax cuts disproportionately negatively affected the lower & middle class, with the bottom 60 percent of households receiving an average tax cut of $500 in 2025 under them, compared to more than $60k for the top 1 percent. His tax cuts, on top of Bush's from 2001 and 2003 (most of which were made permanent in 2012), have eroded the US' revenue base from 19.5% of GDP at the turn of the XXI c. to 16.3% in the years immediately following them.

    Wrong, Tax cuts have a trickle down effect.
    Biden caused his own problems, it had nothing to do with tax cuts.

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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to HALIAN on Saturday, August 10, 2024 14:49:00
    The Democratic Party is center to center-right by the standards of the rest of the developed world.

    If the Kamala era Democrats are center right then I am a heterosexual.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to halian on Sunday, August 11, 2024 15:37:00
    Re: [ANSI] Trump or Harris?
    By: halian to Denn on Fri Aug 09 2024 05:22 pm

    False. Trump's tax cuts disproportionately negatively affected the lower & middle class, with the bottom 60 percent of households receiving an average tax cut of $500 in 2025 under them, compared to more than $60k for the top 1 percent. His tax cuts, on top of Bush's from 2001 and 2003 (most of which were made permanent in 2012), have eroded the US' revenue base from 19.5% of GDP at the turn of the XXI c. to 16.3% in the years immediately following them.

    I think a classical conservative would consider that effect a success. I'd rather have the population administrate that 3.2% difference of the GDP than a government known not to represent the will of the people (and yes, there is some study that shows the federal government is consistently bad at taking actions the population wants, which is very bad when you consider the government is supposed to represent the will of the people).

    Also, if you live in the real world, trickle down is totally a thing. It is not as beautiful as politicians paint it, but I can guarantee you it is much easier to make a living selling stuff as a minorist when people with more money than you have more disposable income.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Monday, August 12, 2024 10:56:00
    I think a classical conservative would consider that effect a success. I'd rather have the population administrate that 3.2% difference of the GDP than a
    government known not to represent the will of the people (and yes, there is some study that shows the federal government is consistently bad at taking actions the population wants, which is very bad when you consider the government is supposed to represent the will of the people).

    They are usually representing their own pockets (and the lining of them).

    Also, if you live in the real world, trickle down is totally a thing. It is no
    as beautiful as politicians paint it, but I can guarantee you it is much easie
    to make a living selling stuff as a minorist when people with more money than you have more disposable income.

    Indeed.


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